The Horse with NO GO!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- This horse would not go forward at all, even with a crop or whip. The method I used for this horse will work for any horse who does not go forward or is non-responsive to leg. He was happily trotting and cantering within a week from this video. Please note, closed caption and translation now available. Just hit the cc button and choose your language.
This woman was generous enough to share this video with her humane training techniques & so many negative comments ...
Emily Corwith - Well, it is pure crap, isn't it? What other kind of comments can you expect.
Unless this horse is older than 20 y.o. all it needs is some exiting, interesting, athletic, horse-like exercise.
Finally someone's making a video with an ACTUAL no go horse👏
i hate how almost every horse training video is always with a mostly good horse so you dont know if it actually good
To bad this is one of her more recent videos (from 11 years ago) and we don't have a follow up. :(
True.. I wanna see someone work them out of a no-go meltdown after you're already in it deep 😂
After thousands of hours spent riding horses for 45 years, I am pleased to find on TH-cam people of a kindred mind. I'm grateful she took her time and effort to share this special knowledge in a videotape. This lady's methods are the foundation to building a simpatico relationship with a horse. MEA is a new phrase to me but it appears to be the successful one that I and my horses have been following for decades. Thank you.
To the "back seat drivers" or "Monday morning quarterbacks..." Go ahead, break out those spurs or lunge whips you bought to "conquer" this happy, tail-swishing, relaxed horse. Add a dash of ignorance, a slew of "how-to" videos, a shanked twisted bit & that's your recipe for disaster! There's nothing wrong with this horse/rider! It's a simple demonstration video; which is well-done & clearly explanatory! Learn from the lesson & appreciate those of us brave enough to put ourselves out there 4 U !
This horse would try the patience of a saint. To me he acts like a very intelligent horse who has gotten sick and tired of people hanging on his mouth. (Dressaged to death? Flash nosebands?) It's to his credit that he hasn't resorted to dangerous behavior, instead decided hey I'll just stand here until they give up and get off. lol As he realizes he has someone on him who actually knows how to ride and gives him his head, he's happy to cooperate. All horses have different personalities and need different handling. I'm thinking a harsher approach would only have made THIS horse more resentful. No doubt would have gotten the job done, but ultimately would have ruined the attitude of a nice horse and who wants to ride a sour horse? Nice job, Lady whoever you are.
took the words out of my mouth,looks like he spent lime as a lesson horse ,in a school,I teach & am very small n thin so I can ride our ponies & they all get schooled weekly ,I rotate days off friends go out together & if there not enough ponies n horses for for ppl coming in looking for a lesson unlike other schools I wont pull animals in from there day off for the extra cash ,not like we don't need it but there happiness is key,the starter ponies listen to my voice command & will walk,trot n canter when I ask so its great for learners who need there balance worked on but walk to a little canter at the end of the lesson leaves most kid's in love with riding,I have a very different style of teaching ,I free lance in the Co Kildare area but can travel after October ,I specializes in kids or adults [Adults will take longer ]who had a fall & afraid to get back up[if you're kid isn't riding after 2 lessons I'll only charge for 2 very reasonable rates,I'm not in a school for 2 months but the best pony to start with is the pony that the kid fall off in the first place which i will ride for a week first so i know what I', working with & what can be improved
I would agree. Alot of mouth licking. Very uncomfortable about the bit. Why not try bitless? They train the owner
He's like a robot, maybe to much "natural horsemanship"? This NH-sectarians should take classes in horse psychology - but I guess, the are happier, to break a horse and feel like heroes... )
@@brittnyhawk8633 Mouth licking does not equal aggravation at the bit. To me it looked like he was thinking about this new process, not the usual 'kick and pull' most would resort to.
@@brittnyhawk8633 The licking and chewing happens when a horse comes down from a moment of stress, even mild stress. They get a little dopamine release at the same time, too, which is handy because it helps to positively reinforce their learning.
Stop bashing her people. She got the result without being unfair like so many of the videos I have seen, she kept her body calm, and understands pressure and release. She did not get results immediately, but she just proved that you do not need to force, just like with dogs, but can choose reward instead.
She can do far more with a little time then most people, and the horse will respect her willingly, unlike most of you no doubt if you do not support this way of doing things. Yes, her form wasn't perfect but she got the job done well.
She didn't pull on his mouth any more then a trainer trying to force him to move. The horse should really not be ridden, but she must work with what she gets, and getting some exercise might just build him back up a little. I agree that a Chiro and massage might help, but he is also always going to be in pain moving even at pasture just being a horse, so getting him to be active when he agrees with it is not terrible. besides that do you really think he was forced? he was supposedly "concrete" before -this means that people were tyring to get him to move before and failed- he decided to move willingly...
Your videos are amazing and so much better on the horse. No whip, slap, or anything just great communucation and horsemanship. Thank you =)
A am a Pro trainer and am here to say I wouldn't change a thing that you did with this particular horse. Great job and excellent video. :)
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She's a very calm rider - the horse definitely couldn't use one that is hyper.. .that would only makes things worse. I think she's doing a very good job.. wonder how the rest of the readers on this clip would handle a no go horse?
Lots of experts helping you out! I think you've done an excellent job, and I don't see any lameness. I appreciate your patience, and you've done a great job of demonstrating how well that works. I don't know why you're getting the needlessly antagonistic remarks, but I guess that's entertainment for some.
Nice demo, I learned this technique from studying a John Lyons exercise book quite a few years ago and for all the doubters, this really works very well. My seemingly lazy horse who would only *go* if you carried the threat of a whip became very light to the leg and I never needed to reinforce my leg with punitive force or carry a whip after we "re" learned going from leg this way.The release of pressure (stopping the irritation) is something so many riders are never taught . . ..it's amazing how well the horse responds, it makes the lesson simple and very clear to the horse.
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I know nothing about horses but found this fascinating to watch someone who is really skilled at working with troubled horses.
Thanks for posting this video. My daughter's 10 year old pony mare is like this. She was roughed up for this type of behavior at past places and passed on from owner to owner so what was created is a pony that is resistant most of the time.
I am so glad I found this video. I am saddle training a young horse who does not want to move. Going to take these techniques and work her this way. Super happy and a SUPER trainer!
That was a very informational video. Thank you very much for posting it. I love the way you work with the horse at his own pace. Most people force the horse with whips and spurs to make the progress quicker but what they don't understand is that adding that extra pressure causes stress, which can make the horse react in a angry or fearful way. Of course they think that is only natural but I have learned over the years that there is huge difference between a playful buck or rear and an angry or fearful reaction. I have broken plenty of horses without having one buck, rear or bolt under saddle. All and all really great work, I truly enjoyed learning from this video. Right now I'm working with an unresponsive horse so I will defiantly use some of your techniques:)
Oh bless him, he seems so shut down and in such a state of learned helplessness.
just wanted to say thank you ssoooo much for uploading this. My 3 yr old filly had been doing great at first then as i started asking for more from her she just shut down. She wouldnt move forward at all i was so frustrated then i saw your vid. It works magnificently i still have to be loud with my legs at times but shes getting better everyday.
Nicely done. The horse is completely out of shape, but her technique did get him to step out more normally. The horse's conformation is not on his side, but with enough of this kind of work, he should muscle out and feel more comfortable being ridden.
Really glad I found this video. I was just given a WB mare the other day from a lady who said she was "arena sour", thus she would "lock up" or refuse to go forward when you ask for the trot. As soon as you would prepare to ask the mare she would tense up and start shutting down. We've made tons of progress in just 2 days--just going slow and asking little by little. You get so much more with patience, persistence, and modest request. I just relate it to the way i like to be taught.
Great info! I have a filly I just bought, she is so chill but doesn't know anything yet. I like this method you've taught...I just have to remember to be patient and take the time. She will be an awesome horse!
Well done this should be the norm in every stable
omg People would you stop judging??? video is not about conformation, its about how to make him to move forward and think forward-which she showed and succeed...he hasn't got good conformation at all, but the wither is level with hips, its the slop of the field gives such a impression...
MonBlanka with how long that horses back is, he shouldn’t be used for riding till he lost more weight. It is most definitely about conformation! Conformation of a horse is what makes it a good riding horse, and with how we breed for specific traits a lot of breeds need supports of some kinds to make them comfortable while being ridden. This horse is most definitely uncomfortable and painful.
Not just the conformation, it is that his back is completely hollow and he has no topline. Horses with a long back really need to be ridden correctly to avoid this, this horse cannot move correctly with a rider and will end up in pain.
Thanks for the tip! I have been fighting with my school horse for a couple days now. 😊
Wow! Thank you this really helped me a lot with my horse hope. She doesn't respond to crops or whips either! So thank you :) I finally got my horse to walk, trot, and canter beautifully and happily :D
I probably wouldn’t do that with a bit but the the work it self is really good and nice to see how a horse with such a extrem behaviour lock up
Glad I found this video. One of my horses rushes to the gate and up towards where I ride and lets me put the bridle on no problem, but some days he has no woah, others he has no go, and in between he acts the perfect gentleman! On his bad days I think I'll only do response training, like this. Maybe I'll switch it up and continue with light cart training (for some reason he likes pulling things, especially tires. And sometimes me lmao).
My horse acts exactly like this horse and I have been stuck on what to do for so long. I’m definitely going to try this
I love your work! I also think that your voice is very easy to listen to as you explain everything step by step!
You made a new subscriber today!
I love this, sometimes I like to think that riding a horse, for a horse, must be a bit weird at first but I like to think that they grow to like being ridden. Perhaps I’m wrong, I’m not an expert but this video shows that when a horse want to be ridden they do enjoy it
Thanku So Much❤️❤️❤️🙏we have a sweet no go horse,I will try this Strategy..
I'm thinking "who pissed in your Wheaties"? lol. I am more in awe with your training style. Does this work with husband training so I can tell my Mom? lol. I see so many trainers push a stubborn horse and compel obedience. I love that you wait the horse out and let him take it at his pace. It seems this would earn greater trust and respect it's saying to the horse "I get it". A little understanding goes a long ways!
Nice job!
I recognize that zoned out look and the tension that accompanies it.
nice to see someone using there drains!! love to see soft hands one step at a time it always works and no whip if you rely on these to me that's not horsemanship ☺
Whips aren't bad they're supposed to be used as an extension of your arm
Whips should be just used to touch a bit of pressure behind the leg. They should never be used to thrash the horse!
For those talking about the whole "escalate pressure" method - yes, this works, but not on horses as dead as this one. My horse was very very similar, you could kick him with spurs or lay a whip across his hindquarters and he'd be no more forward. The only thing that worked was 1) teaching verbal cues on the ground in the lunge yard, which took a while as the lunge whip didn't have any effect; 2) asking for lateral flexion and yielding of the hindquarters like she is doing here; 3) when going to ask for forward movement, bumping with my legs and using a verbal cue until he takes a step then taking my legs right off his sides. Horses like this you just have to annoy until they do what you want, then stop annoying them. They're very different to a horse that is just stubborn and refusing to move on a one-off basis.
Yeah, the whole "Escalate Pressure" thing is true. Horses learn by Pressure and Release, that's exactly what kicking him does, pressure and release each time. pulling on the reins until her flexes his neck is also the same concept. most learning techniques for horses are pressure and relase. they get the release after they do what theyre supposed to be learning.
Good cure for insomnia!
THAT IS AWESOME! I'm happy to have been able to help.
Your voice is so calm
It was amazing to watch the transformation in this horse as you worked with him. He stopped looking pissed off and resistant to proud in 20 min. Where is the next session with him?
This comment is to all the ignorant people who don't have a clue....
This is training the mind to become a willing partner.
The type of rider who is making all these snide remark, is the exact kind of "horseman" that soured this horse to begin with.
It's not about "breaking a horse" who the hell wants a broken horse. It's about teaching...(and more important) LEARNING!!!!!
Nicely done...
My horse can get very ring sour and unmotivated in the winter, this horse looks the sam. Finding what a horse enjoys will lift their spirits. I find a nice long trail ride a great way to bond exercise and allow your horse to have fun. Instead of riding around in circles
Definitely a lesson horse sick of the constantly nagging leg and hanging off the bit, never getting the pressure release when he was in fact 'go-ing'. Love this lady's approach.12:30 not topping your asking, keeping them moving in any way you can getting them to turn and then turning that movement into forward again, so much like circling a horse if they stop dead whilst leading them.
He did get release when he gave to the pressure. I set where the pressure is, and he's responsible for staying off it. He must look for the comfortable place to stay without hitting pressure. He decided it wasn't where he wanted the boundary. Never should the horse go against pressure. This is the exact problem that contributed to his not moving! He wants to decide what he'll respond to.I decide where his head should stay, and he must seek the release within that boundary.Same thing for moving.
Pain. Did she consider the horse may be in pain?
He looks like he might have some 'kissing spine' (not sure his age, but he looks like an older fella, and not too green, he might be green under english though, ) .... (been training literally all my life) not trying to diss on the lady, but in what im seeing and listening to her commentary he is so confused on the what/how of what she's asking him.... a gentle rythmatic tail sometimes is a sign of contentment, his tail has no bend (or that twitch) that indicates p.o.'d ... on average no horse wants to 'work' (have had a couple that enjoyed and looked forward thus really excelled at their jobs (trained grand prix jumpers, & old style reiners back in the 70's, where it took years) I do commend the nice quiet way about her, he is a very pretty horse (make an awesome youth wp horse)
yeah his back is super long and creates a very awkward balance naturally. I have never seen a horse that was lazy just due to personality. It has always been bad riding or pain (usually stifles or back)
The best way to get a horse wanting to move forward is - get them out of the arena/pen and on some trails. Give them a reason to want to move out and actually go somewhere and see some different scenery. I'm also seeing a sacrum that doesn't look quite right and feet that could probably use a good trim. Sad that this horse shut down the way he did. He's a beautiful animal.
not all horses go forward on trails- let alone like them! Not every horse is the same, you don't know the reasoning behind his behaviour. But I agree, some horses like new scenery. Just because he's beautiful doesn't mean you should feel bad for him. His conformation isn't very good especially his back and he is sore and looks ovrfed.
Great training but his back...
I just couldn't stop focusing on his conformation.
3 year old comment.... Ikr his back is so long it's disturbing
Saddle is quite short as well
@@Because_of_Mercy Good grief the horse can't help it and what does it have to do with his mind? Humans are so fixated on aesthetics. smh.
Some horses just have long backs and some breeds also have long backs
Same like short backs with some breeds
He looks like a very long hunter
Did you watch it all the way through? She got the horse moving willingly in the end.
good sense of timing
You make him move. Congratulation
very use full
Nice job.
I'm 110% in favor of not employing force to achieve compliance and she's doing an excellent job with this animal - especially in light of the fact that we don't know what past experiences caused it to shut down. I did notice that physiologically, the horse has a long back.... and he does definitely appear to be extending his hind legs up under his belly while walking - which to me is an indication that he's uncomfortable and is attempting to compensate for the extra length of his spine by not allowing the stretch created by a normal gait. Which brings me to why I'm putting in my two cents' worth here: A (lengthy) lifetime of experience has taught me that a substantial percentage of problems with horses are rooted in physical discomfort - and even actual pain. This is easily evident if its a mouth/bit problem; however, we do need to seriously examine all the body parts and conformation in order to fully diagnose the possible sources of behavioral problems. Hopefully, keeping this in mind may be of some help to someone out there who is working with a horse that's having difficulties - and I've posted solely for that reason and not as any sort of critique.
Interesting video. My sense with this horse, is that he seemed very bored, before you mounted him. He also seemed very lost in thought, and with a sense of grief. His swishing of the tail made me think of something maybe irritating him, or feeling uncomfortable to him.
Did anyone consult with a veterinary or bodywork- therapist, to see if there was anything the matter with him?
Although he seemed looser by the end of the session, I find that he looks very stiff in his lower back. Could there be anything with his bowels, that then affected the back, perhaps?
I also wonder if this is a horse that has been used at an equestrian school/ if he has had many people riding him? Thank you for showing your method. Take care. Kind regards.
I saw the same thing. Horse looks completely bored and shutdown.... Checked out.... Like someone working an assembly line at a factory job. Sides are deadened. More kicking isnt going to lighten his sides.
To vaporosoez.Thanks for the support! Thought I was the only one...
I wouldn`t even attempt to mount that horse. And I disagree with the method of being an "annoying fly"; it only makes the horse cave in, because it knows that it won`t be able to make it stop. A cruel sort of dominance, really. Take care. Cheers!
Any chance he has back pain issues? He looks sway backed, under conditioned and his stance seems awkward....the use of a proper, thick saddle pad might help?
The horse isn't lame...
This horse would benefit from a chiropractor. My two year old was "lazy" . He was hurting. Fixed him. His tail is calm and if full of vigor.
This helped me sooo much! Thank you!
MeaTV - did you record any follow-on vidoes for Horse with NO GO? Like asking him to trot? I'd love to see how you proceeded...this reminded "ask for lightest".
Problem with off-side rear leg. Very stiff both hind legs in stride, but off-side is pronounced. Did anyone check for stress problems or tender hoof?
this is great infirmation!
Well if it was me, I would MAKE him move. But, I like the way she does this. This is something I haven't considered before. Maybe it would be nice if my horse wouldn't hate me
Lots of things can cause it, but I bet this horse wasn't asked "politely" (soft cues, with immediate release) and so he became numb and unresponsive. He lost motivation and respect. Why would he move, if he knows he will not receive a reward (release) if he does? And then if the riders did not follow through and make him move his feet when they asked, they taught him he could find his own release by simply not responding. This trainer gave him motivation and reward, and also followed through.
I should not even bother commenting but what the hell.
1) The rider: I appreciate how soft the she is being. That's it.
2) ANY PERSON with ANY KNOWLEDGE of the BIOMECHANICS/ANATOMY of a horse would take one look at the horse and see that his SACRUM is DISCONNECTING FROM HIS PELVIS. THIS IS PAINFUL. Probably why the horse DOES NOT WANT TO MOVE!
3) This horse should NOT be ridden. This horse could probably use a dose of phenylbutazone and a couple months worth of correct muscular development in a round pen.
Jesus people, horses typically are compliant creatures. When they resist, 10/10 times they are trying to tell us something.
Thank you! FINALLY someone in this world knows what it is about.... when my horse didnt want to move, I had to FIGURE out what was going on, everyone was saying, Lazy dominant stallion. I said, NO. And I figured out that the hooves were the problem, as almost everytime I see... Now what a happy nice gentle stallion I have! We have literally passed to another level, from one day to another, only cause of a goodtrim. That poor horse on the video looks like he better die than move. Well who wouldnt having this legs :( poorbaby :(
Im sorry but that horse is in obvious distress, and trying very hard to do what this lady is asking. I hope the horse is better and healthier now.
Excellent process. Consistent communication is what is needed.
Excellent video. You are a gifted teacher and pay great attention to detail. I bought an older appaloosa that is quite reluctant at any gait, esp.the canter, even on a lunge line without a saddle. When I turn her out she'll run like crazy, so I don't think it's a physical issue. My one concern however is that my issue may be one of her having been allowed to dominate her previous rider as opposed to being dead sided from too many mixed cues. Does the same tactic work in both situations?
why is she mounting with no helmet????
I love her and her methods, but I want to point this out, this horse's saddle does not seem to fit. There is no whither clearance, and it is extremely common for a horse with a poorly fitting saddle to display behaviors like this. My own horse had issues, including not wanting to ride in front of my leg until I had a saddle fitter out. I could absolutely be wrong about this situation but just wanted to add this.
i have the same problem with my horse. He drives me nuts😖 God, bless my lazy horse please!
I like this because my horse does the same thing
Holy shit thats the most downhill horse I've ever seen.
Mybaybae ive seen way worse
+Mybaybae It's not the horse, it's the rider. She has no idea and the horse is using that against her
+Rhiana Foley what whould you do?
This patience is commendable. I’d get me a whip and you’d see him cantering in the past tense.
Thanks I might get a horse Now I know what to do if he or she does not go :) Thanks ALOT
I’ve heard that if u turn there head right round they are knocked off balance and when you squeeze they take a step idk if it’s true but yeah x
Interesting!
This is Paint horse?
MyDogBrother In Britain we call that colour combination Skewbald. A black and white horse is Piebald.
This horse has been bumped, kicked, cajoled and argued with until he shut down, completely. Most likely something was hurting him. Looks like the lady's technique is working. Personally, I don't use my heels, I urge with calves, body and heart. That horse has "had it" with being kicked along. Has he been thumped along by an adult, or simply bluffed a child? Anyway, somehow he figured he didn't have to do it, and shut off. Now he has found someone he may be able to trust.
In the beginning she talks about him being "locked up", whatever that means, and not paying any attention to her but he has his ears turned back listening to her talk. How does she know he won't move forward if she asks? If you want to get him off balance, slowly rocking back and forth won't do it. You have to actually shift your weight quickly and firmly to one side. He At 3:51 the horse gives to pressure and turns his head but she doesn't give release. She let's him move his head back an inch or two then starts pulling again. She says his eyes are showing stress but he just looks bored to me.
Yeah I checked out some of your videos
‘I’m not going to try and get him to go’ she says while kicking him.?
Horses are such stoic animals. I'd be interested to see how he moves in the arena free without a rider. Does he still swish his tail? It does seem like he is uncomfortable to the weight of the rider. This in many cases could be kissing spine , which often is misdiagnosed . I'd like to see a complete set of thermal images done on this horse, which would give you the picture of his thermal pattern, would show if he had impinging spinous process, or at best if he had tension and irregular heat patterns. If everything turns out normal then in fact. This horse could just be mentally shut down. In that case one would want the horse to connect 100 percent on the ground in hand with no halter or lead connected. You have to teach the horse how to trust again.
Where did you get your stirrups ? they look comfortable
i once owned a horse like that. even when u got him to move it was never more then the slowest walk he could do. i could walk faster them him. no matter what no more then a walk. his name was dud head
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She must be doing something right, the horse is walking,you do not always have to beat your animals to get a response to your commands,After a few instructions animals often learn what is accepted of them and one can ask themselves why the hurry for the horse to learn something fast,it is best to teach your horse without skipping steps, and if a person gets a "new horse'' the skipped steps show up such as following issues,flighty behaviors, biting,rearing,bucking, etc.somewhere down the line the new owner will experience them with their new horse. The trainer here is making sure the horse understands the commands before moving on to the next step.The horse is a animal with a brain of an animal we as humans cannot expect them to understand like a human,therefore we must modify lessons to fit the creature we are dealing with at the time.
Was it a trick pony or not and it's beautiful
Just a small question, have you tried bitless? :)
I thought this was a great video- very helpful! (and as to the ridiculous comments you're getting.... the proof is in the pudding).
Meredith Sterling :
I'm not a horse person at all so I'm wondering what caused this horse to "lock up". Was it abuse?
Some horses are just more stubborn. One can be like cool let's go do and see everything, others are like me, I'll just stand here, I'm good
Don’t start fights you can’t win
My horse gets like that after doing the same thing for a while or when we only ride in the ring for a long time.
I know a thing about mounts that have no go
pulling his rein and kicking on?
Your problem is you don't understand how a horse thinks! I urge you to swallow your pride for a while and watch Marty Roberts vids on Join-up and his other training methods! You'll have the horse following you around and willing to work! Even if the horse takes a bridle and saddle and you can ride, Join-up will have the horse really trusting you! Once this happens you'll be delighted!
:L haha i love that approach :)
The horses has a really long back
I know very little about horses, but I’m curious about one thing: Why do human assume power over the horse in this modern day? They essentially make the animal their slave for their own pleasure and greed. If I were a horse I don’t think I’d like it much at all. Someone will say , well, they are better off than being out in the wild, or not being alive at all, but that’s all speculation. In my humble opinion, it just ain’t right. If there is any justice in the universe, then somewhere on some planet in a far off galaxy... there is a herd of tiny horses riding the shit out of a troop of overgrown humans....
Ask. Tell. Demand
I wonder, when you speak about him "starting to soften at the pall" after some time ... did you consider, he might be already raw in his mouth from all your pulling and pulling on his mouth? It is not that he is chewing because he is interested in your expertise and fumbling, he's just in pain
Thought that too. He might be chewing and licking out of stress, or that's at least what his eyes tell me. I don't think he does is because he's feeling comfortable.
Correct him!