@@markh.9822 I just got a stereo for $3. I just cleaned both my mono and stereo copies ,and yes, this clip is my mono. I recorded the cleaning of both.
I think ultrasonic cleaning has been state of the art for a long time and am glad to see it available for records. it also avoids the intrinsic design problem with vacuum cleaning, where if the air velocity is incorrect, one risks accelerating the lighter liquid away before the heavier contaminate particles are effected , causing them to drop out of suspension.
Thanks for the update, Mazzy. I've carted a few hundred records from place to place for 50+ years. I always took pretty good care of them while handling, brushing them every time before playing, and more recently adding and antistatic brush to my routine. I was persuaded to invest in the original Humming guru after watching your and many other video reviews. I can't say that I did serious before and after evaluation of the sound, but I figured that it could only help to revive some of that great old fusion music I love. What shocked me was the amount of grime that I was cleaning from the tank that had been shaken off those well loved discs. So, I have no regrets. I'll keep perusing the bargain bins and buzzing off the dirt before playing. P.S. I do use a few drops of surfactant in my gallon refill jug. It seems to wet the surface of the records better and make drying more efficient. Also, I'd rather run a long cleaning cycle, followed by a short automatic cycle than spring the extra $300 on an update.
An excellent honest take Mazzy.. your cleaning learning curve is solid. I use two tanks and a Moth. But love how you get your own take sorted in terms of you own setup.. keep at it!!
Thanks for the video! I really appreciate it. Myself, I tried an ultrasonic cleaner for the first time, recently. It was the one which Vevor sells. It didn't work as they stated it would. They also claimed to have Support 24/7. Not really. Sure you can do live chat, but they tell you that they will have to refer it to one of their engineers and it may take 1-3 days for them to get back to you. They never answered any of my concerns. I am considering trying the Humminguru because of your video. It wouldn't hurt to add a couple of drops of Dawn dishwashing detergent to the cleaning solution. Because the solution is water based, a couple of drops of Kodak Photo-Flow is a good idea, even if that is all you add to the water. It doesn't allow water to bead up and/or leave spots. If the water still beads up, add more drops until it stops.
I own the "old" HummingGuru and love it! It cleans records very well. I just don't use the drying cycle. Blowing air against vinyl is bound to re-introduce static electricity. I just leave them to dry in a drying rack after the cleaning cycle. Drying doesn't really take a long time. I do use a mixture with alcohol in my washing water. That probably make the water evaporate a bit faster.
Thank you Mazzy! Last December I purchased the older version of the Hummiguru and love it but was considering upgrading to the newer version but after watching your video I changed my mind The newer version is not worth spending the extra money on You saved me 300 dollars
Good video on the new humminguru Nova I still have my original humminguru that bought last year and does a great job cleaning my records and i am thinking about getting the humminguru Nova but i am going wait for awhile until they go on sale so I can get one keep up the good work on your videos i enjoy your videos.
Great video Mazzy! I own the Kirmuss and I agree with you the manual aspect that the kirmuss requires is exhausting. I don't want to spend that amount of time cleaning a record. quick question do you think the Nova is worth it for a person that has a modest record collection (1000).
I use a two-tank method as well with my original. One with their Small Bottle fluid and one to rinse with distilled water and dry. Works great for me. I can change clean and rinse times based on dirt level or how impatient I am at the moment
I mounted a dowel rod to a bookcase just above head level and I slide my records that need drying onto the dowel rod and let them sit for a short time before sleeving them. I can get about 10 records on about a 1 foot protruding dowel. Works great.
I'm thinking about it for single use quickie cleanings. An economical alternative are these low cost ultrasound vats that supply motors and axels to mount your records. The draw back is they use a lot of fluid, several gallons and take up more space and are not as atheistically pleasing. If you have a large collection you can "mass produce" cleaning records however. Then you get into the woods with frequency choice of the ultrasound. 40 khz vs 120 khz, ect. 40 khz for basic cleaning, higher frequencies for deeper cleaning into the grooves...for perfectionists. Then common advice is don't over do it as too much use or time in the fluid bath might degrade the record itself. You need a filter to clear the contaminates while cleaning.
Me too. I scrub my old records or used library finds with an old VPI brush--I make them sing with the wet bristles in the grooves--and then the Nitty Gritty vacuum does a great job to dry them. I've had that thing since the 90s! I've replaced the spindle twice and changed the VAC Sweep slit velvet lips a few times too.
Thanks for doing this ...I have been thinking about getting one since the buzz about the first one. I don't use my Spin-Clean as it just does not clean as good and its takes time as a manual device. Thanks for the review!
GREAT review, excellent end song Mazzy! I have the updated original, it has been fantastic so far and appreciate your honesty in review. Perhaps give it another year and see if the Nova comes down in price. 🤔
Aloha Mazzy, Thanks for your review, at this time, I'll stick to my OG Hummin Guru. Now the Hummin guru goes for $599.00, on Amazon, & the Nova is just $200.00 more at $799.00. The Nova sounds like a winner also, but for my collection one machine is enough at this time. Always looking forward to watching your videos Mazzy. Mahalo Ed.
I've resisted 55 years... I'm a lazy guy too... I love my record collection... And I've always been curious about those ultrasonic things. Listening to your thoughts on this video made me press the "buy" button after all those years of listening you and others about he HumminGuru. I've found the first HumminGuru being a bit too "beta version" for what I saw on the reviews... This Nova version seems more mature to me, or, at least, it got less problems, so I'm giving it a try. Thanks for your honest review of it.
I use a surfactant because as you can see from your video if you don’t the liquid puddles. If you use a surfactant it forms a nice sheet of liquid over the record surface which surely must be better for the cavitation process. I have also started wet rinsing after noticing opaque bubbles during cleaning and think that the content might dry back into the record surface if allowed to dry. If I have a record I’ve not cleaned in ages I’m thinking of using my Knosti DAS as a pre-clean(mmmm-what liquid to put in that? 🙂)
Hi Mazzy I likeb Enya too! Her music is so calming! I miss seeing you on RG but I get it you need a breat but hope you return soon! Peace, Love and music! Trish
@ You’ve missed the point. When the record has left the fluid and the top of the record is wet, what’s to stop the fluid from running down over the label?
I'm surprised how flimsy the record drying lid is. I have an old manual cleaner (similar to the Knox cleaner) with a lid that has a substantial record holder for drying.
I have an original Humminguru and a Project cleaner. Used for over a year. The Project works better and is quicker BUT you have to be there. You can’t walk away. If I had to ditch one it would be the Huminguru. Nice machine but to get records clean. Project. No contest.
Thank you Norman! A very thoughtful video :) Btw I have had my OG Guru for about 2 years and have cleaned around 1000 LPs: I love it! There have been some issues but very minor and the Costumer Service walked me through it and was Awesome.
@@davidlg0478 you are absolutely correct. It took me watching a local friend used one of these machines. Add distilled water, push a button a couple of times and let it do its thing. As I said, I was too lazy to use any other method. ✌🏼
The main reason that the degritter does a better job than the humminguru is its frequency. The higher the number the smaller the ca bubbles. The smaller cav bubbles get deeper into the grooves. The Degritter runs at 120khz whereas the humminguru runs at 40khz. I could not justify the price difference between the degritter and huminguru. In Australia the Degritter Mk2 sells for $5,9999aud and the humminguru sells for around $1,200aud
Record cleaning does me a great service as to sound improvement and keeping dirt off the needles. I stumbled some years ago into a Glaess Audio Desk m/c with some repairs and upgrades required in the interim, although in normal use. That m/c works pretty well and is very convenient in use and size. Admittedly, the machine has occasional hick-ups, even when repaired and just in use again, and it is pretty loud. Still, the manufacturer does have a fair complaint handling policy. One needs to learn to know how to fix what and how. Otherwise one may get a little frustrated with that „soulful“ machine. I believe the Humminguru would be a good option if made in China is not an unfavorable aspect but I rather support high local content manufacturers.
Just to get something off my chest. I am a vinyl collector and my thoughts are like this- I always try and purchase Near Mint or Mint vinyl albums. Hence, 90% of my collection look and sound wonderful. In my years of collecting I have probably dismissed four or five albums under quality control due to poor playback. On my reckoning, spending hundreds of pounds (thousands in some cases) on cleaning is not necessary on the basis of my own collection. Spend the money on better quality albums. I do occasionally spray and wipe my records with a cleaning solution if I hear any pops. I am fussy as to what I listen to, so there's my thoughts on the subject. Buy better, spend less. Enjoy the music. Nice article Mazzy.
That’s exactly where I was. Bought new or clean records for decades. Then when I acquired my Kate friend Coleman’s collection and the Dizzy collection came through here, I realized many records needed help.
I am with you: I want M or NM in my collection :) but I have also found that with cleaning and quality control, the collection is as good as it can get! I have the OG Guru but I also employ hand cleaning techniques and it is amazing how great LPs can sound!!🤩
Hi Mazzy , Mike from London here. I am just watching your jazz picks for piano day. I was wondering if I could hit you up fore some recommendations ?. I’m looking for something real sleazy, burlesque type stuff, kinda like “Harlem nocturne “ but more so, if you know what I mean. Absolutely love you and your channel, you’re often the soundtrack to my day. Thanks mate
I wonder about the value of this machine in one way. If I spent $700 to $800 on a new cart with a fine line or shibata stylus, would I get less noise on my playback? Enough to not be so concerned with shiny clean vinyl?
@@mazzysmusic It's weird but the diamond can cut glass, right? And it's gliding through a plastic groove and is removing burrs and other pressing anomalies--this just happened to me with the new Mark Knopfler record: loud rhythmic pops like static, but there was no static on the record, and by the third play, the pops were gone. The Linn guys clean their price-is-no-object styli with high-grit sandpaper.... And yet dust can determine the life span of a stylus? Don't get me wrong, I've been scrubbing records for 30 years because I've never had a fine-tipped MC cart. But I've heard high-end styli in my seemingly worn records and there is a whole other dimension of clean grooves to be found with a good cartridge.
Every before and after sound clip I've herd these machines only make the slightest difference and no better than just cleaning by hand. I can't justify the price and the hassle if its not going to get better results than a paint edger. Also lots of people saying 40hz doesn't create cavitation small enough to get into the grooves, has anyone got any solid information on this?
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 of course. I’m not saying this or any machine is the end all. But it does an excellent job with little effort. It is an investment. But can be worh it depending on a persons collection.
I have a Degritter MKII, my friend has the HG & a Spin Clean. We cleaned the LP by hand, listened, tried it on the Humminguru, it was much better & then we cleaned it on my Degritter MKII & again, there was an even better improvement yet again over both methods. I can only speak from experience at my end. If you're happy with your method, just stick with it. Enjoy your music.
I got the Dylan cover about 50 years ago. The record was trash but a friend told me the cover was rare . Any idea how I could find out if the cover alone is of much value? Discogs possibly ! That is a poor excuse for a drying rack. Hopefully they ironed out the bugs because they were breaking down.
Mazzy :-) Which track of Enya’s is it that you were playing? I recognise it but I can’t for the life of me recall the name of the song! Love and peace Tony
Mazzy, thanks a bunch for doing this review. There's no way to get around paying $500 for the original version of the humming guru, if you go to their website and purchase it, it cost $379+$312 to ship to California. That's no bargain, so it's $499 at Amazon and $799 for the Nova. Like you said, it's not cheap.
@@mazzysmusic I went to their website and calculated it in US dollars and it came up with that figure for shipping charges. Maybe I should contact their customer service to find out what the deal was, but that just looked outrageous. Thanks a bunch Mazzy!
As I said in the video, I bought the original and was sent the Nova. The design change gets closer to the DeGritter in the way it works. But of course the DeGritter at $3200 should and will probably get some records cleaner. But the difference I’ve heard in my dirty recirds is still dramatic with the Nova.
I have the original and use it a lot. I love it. I supplement it with a Spin-Clean. Would I like the Nova? Sure. But, not for 300.00 more. If it was say 150.00 more? Sure. I think the lid/rack is a waste...its just cute...that's it. Anyway..:)
I have been on Spin Clean for about 5 years now and most videos online after comparing with all these machines still say it is a better cleaning… Yes it is more work but…
I use the Humminguru brush before I run it through my 1st gen Humminguru and I think the combination makes a cleaner record. I will defiantly keep my 1st gen until it dies (I did have my board replaced after about 12 washes)
@ Love the channel, and your musical taste, but the only one pretending that’s what it means is an incoherent liar attempting to cover for a rotted brain, so better to not take any queues from him. ✌️
if you have a collection of 1000 copies or more, there is a good chance that you will never listen to some records again. Even a "dirty" record tells you a story...buy a replacement (for $700) or leave it as it is, you will save precious time and money...just a thought...
Come on Mazzzzz. You know better than that. lol. The degritter is $3200 for more than the build. The real difference between the guru nova and the degritter is the 40hz vs 120hz. 40 doesn’t create cavitation bubbles small enough to get to the base of the groove. 120 does. I have re-cleaned records in my degritter MKII that were cleaned with the guru and the results were amazing. The soundstage improved in a big way, less noise and the degritter filter showed some dirts after each cleaning. Proof enough for me. plus the degritter doesn't have build issues like the clear audio and other machines. tge degritter MKII at 3200 is absolutely worth the difference if you collect and listen to vintage records.
@@Vinylfromtheunderground of course it’s not the build, and It better be better for 5 times the price. I’m sure it’s worth it for some and not others. I’m not one of those others, but I get why you are
@@Jonny_C73 I’m certainly not. For $3200 or $6500 they better be better. But when all is said and done, I’m personally good where I’m at and enjoy the results and especially the music .
I know it is not difficult, as I saw it in action. I say the demonstration a couple of times. I know two people who like it a lot. Just too much work for me. As I said in the video, I'm too lazy, and I don't have a white lab coat 🙂
@mazzysmusic it's definitely work I only have about 250 albums took me a couple of weeks. Now I'll wait until I have 2 or three new purchases lined up and knock them out in 15min
Love the use of the Enja "score." It's like getting a massage and a clean record at the same time. Because I, too, am lazy (and cheap), I use a less expensive set up that can ultrasonically clean up to six discs at a time on a single rotating spindle. I also have an Okki Nokki that I can use with a goat-hair brush if necessary to really get into grooves and pull out dirt that may be lodged in there.
I have been using mine for 2 weeks. Interesting little machine. I use my kirmuss for the primary clean and then Humminguru as rinse second run. The disks are very clean by the time I am done. I am not sure if the Humminguru is really doing much but it is ok. I actually feel like the air dry tends to put dust back on to the disk. So I am not really a fan of the air dry. The surfactant they provide makes bubbly suds. I am not using this anymore. It does keep the surface more evenly wet which is supposed to do. This allows the ultrasonic cavitation get in there. But as you said you need a rinse cycle. Honestly the humminguru is just ok. I feel like it doesn’t do inner grooves that well nor the starting groove. Also, It’s a no touch process so sometimes there is so much gunk ultrasonic on its own not sufficient. Need some mechanical cleaning then go to the Guru. Note: trumps tariffs will also raise these prices too. This is an all China unit
I've never been a crate digger buying filthy junk records and cannot for the life of me understand why you're putting records with "so much gunk" straight into any machine. You really shouldn't be putting what is an obviously really dirty looking record on sight straight into any cleaning machine. Common sense dictates you wash that muck off by hand or hand brush prior. I clean all my records by hand - and they aren't visibly dirty at all - before they go into the humminguru. The humminguru is doing a great deal. What you must double-check is the water level. Make sure it sits just above that recommended line and never below. The humminguru is way, way more than "just ok". I have records I've owned since the early 1970's now playing without any pops or clicks at all, sounding like I bought them yesterday. My turntable is a Rega P-10.
@@apollomemories7399 you have your experience and I have mine. The Humminguru is just ok in my book. The kirmuss is used for the really dirty stuff. You need mechanical process for really dirty crap. The kirmuss is the way to go for that. The humminguru is not an all in one. It is a “light” ultrasonic clean. This is why it is just ok. I think we are mostly agreeing. But the humminguru is light duty and you can tell by its weight it’s not a pro machine. It’s just good enough for the casual enthusiast
@@revelry1969 Oh man, what are you saying here? Have you any idea of the massive inroads made in technology production concerning the weight of products? Everything and I mean everything that is in multiple production these days, from shipping, all sea vessels. all aircraft, all production cars, all domestic appliances have all had great reductions in terms of component weight. Makes for cheaper shipping and transportation, greater efficiancy with raw materials etc. Weight is no longer any kind of gauge on quality. Just ask Elon Musk.
@ it is a flimsy unit. It works ok. I am using it only as a rinse stage. The kirmuss is built very well…and has a sturdy feel. This Humminguru is kinda wimpy machine and thus get wimpy results. There is a reason the degritter is 3G. I wouldn’t ask Elon anything these days.
@@revelry1969 There's actually no good reason why it's 3G, other than low production level with high production cost. Perhaps if you had a better understanding of basic economies of scale then you might have a different perception. But, what you do not want to do is to blast the eff out of your records. We saw Dave do that on his site with an AC/DC album. I'm very happy that the humminguru is not going to do that and treats my valuable 1970's UK 1st pressings very carefully. I do not mind at all if I have to put the record through a cycle one more time if I find the first cycle was not sufficient. I don't want my records cleaned like a dirty old piece of cutlery or sauce pot, like I'm running a guest house. And I say that as an ex-international hotelier of 35 years. I know these heavy-duty machines very well as we used them to deep-clean restauarant utensils etc. I wouldn't want that degritter contraption near my vinyl. And it's nothing to do with money as I could easily afford it.
Baby without announcing, but I have as many albums as you have maybe a little bit more I tried this machine. It’s a joke spend the five grand and buy the one that everyone believes is right. It’s an investment that this one’s a joke. It takes too long it doesn’t he correct? It’s a joke and you keep using the same amount of water through a filter. That’s worthless. I hope you enjoyed it but you spend the four and you get it done right both sides dry, complete ready to put and spin.
The Blonde on Blonde spinning at the start is a mono. So is the $3 one you got actually a mono?
@@markh.9822 I just got a stereo for $3. I just cleaned both my mono and stereo copies ,and yes, this clip is my mono. I recorded the cleaning of both.
I cleaned my Mono version on it too :) Love you Claudia 😍
I think ultrasonic cleaning has been state of the art for a long time and am glad to see it available for records. it also avoids the intrinsic design problem with vacuum cleaning, where if the air velocity is incorrect, one risks accelerating the lighter liquid away before the heavier contaminate particles are effected , causing them to drop out of suspension.
Thanks for the update, Mazzy. I've carted a few hundred records from place to place for 50+ years. I always took pretty good care of them while handling, brushing them every time before playing, and more recently adding and antistatic brush to my routine. I was persuaded to invest in the original Humming guru after watching your and many other video reviews. I can't say that I did serious before and after evaluation of the sound, but I figured that it could only help to revive some of that great old fusion music I love. What shocked me was the amount of grime that I was cleaning from the tank that had been shaken off those well loved discs. So, I have no regrets. I'll keep perusing the bargain bins and buzzing off the dirt before playing. P.S. I do use a few drops of surfactant in my gallon refill jug. It seems to wet the surface of the records better and make drying more efficient. Also, I'd rather run a long cleaning cycle, followed by a short automatic cycle than spring the extra $300 on an update.
An excellent honest take Mazzy.. your cleaning learning curve is solid. I use two tanks and a Moth. But love how you get your own take sorted in terms of you own setup.. keep at it!!
I've had good luck with the $200 Vevor unit and a slow motor switch and it comes with an excellent drying rack for more than 20 records.
Hi MAzzy. I have the first Guru. Happy with it !!! kind regards, Erik
Mine was just delivered today! Happy to see this, thanks!
Great informative video, Mas. I've been on the fence about making this purchase for the Nova. Time to buy now. Many thanks Andy H
Thanks for the video! I really appreciate it. Myself, I tried an ultrasonic cleaner for the first time, recently. It was the one which Vevor sells. It didn't work as they stated it would. They also claimed to have Support 24/7. Not really. Sure you can do live chat, but they tell you that they will have to refer it to one of their engineers and it may take 1-3 days for them to get back to you. They never answered any of my concerns. I am considering trying the Humminguru because of your video.
It wouldn't hurt to add a couple of drops of Dawn dishwashing detergent to the cleaning solution. Because the solution is water based, a couple of drops of Kodak Photo-Flow is a good idea, even if that is all you add to the water. It doesn't allow water to bead up and/or leave spots. If the water still beads up, add more drops until it stops.
I own the "old" HummingGuru and love it! It cleans records very well. I just don't use the drying cycle. Blowing air against vinyl is bound to re-introduce static electricity. I just leave them to dry in a drying rack after the cleaning cycle. Drying doesn't really take a long time. I do use a mixture with alcohol in my washing water. That probably make the water evaporate a bit faster.
You use an alcohol mixture in the Humminguru…and then don’t rinse it off?
Thank you Mazzy! Last December I purchased the older version of the Hummiguru and love it but was considering upgrading to the newer version but after watching your video I changed my mind The newer version is not worth spending the extra money on You saved me 300 dollars
Glad I could help!
Good video on the new humminguru Nova I still have my original humminguru that bought last year and does a great job cleaning my records and i am thinking about getting the humminguru Nova but i am going wait for awhile until they go on sale so I can get one keep up the good work on your videos i enjoy your videos.
@@daryljspetz2967 so before the possible tariffs happen next year 🙄😳🤠😵💫
Great video Mazzy! I own the Kirmuss and I agree with you the manual aspect that the kirmuss requires is exhausting. I don't want to spend that amount of time cleaning a record. quick question do you think the Nova is worth it for a person that has a modest record collection (1000).
I use a two-tank method as well with my original. One with their Small Bottle fluid and one to rinse with distilled water and dry. Works great for me. I can change clean and rinse times based on dirt level or how impatient I am at the moment
I mounted a dowel rod to a bookcase just above head level and I slide my records that need drying onto the dowel rod and let them sit for a short time before sleeving them. I can get about 10 records on about a 1 foot protruding dowel. Works great.
Yours and @TheJoyofVinylRecords ‘ videos have convinced me that I need this machine 😎
That intro is pretty neat. It's like a vinyl collector equivalent of the holiday burning log videos.
@@juanmeowmix1530 just like it ✌🏼
I'm thinking about it for single use quickie cleanings. An economical alternative are these low cost ultrasound vats that supply motors and axels to mount your records. The draw back is they use a lot of fluid, several gallons and take up more space and are not as atheistically pleasing. If you have a large collection you can "mass produce" cleaning records however. Then you get into the woods with frequency choice of the ultrasound. 40 khz vs 120 khz, ect. 40 khz for basic cleaning, higher frequencies for deeper cleaning into the grooves...for perfectionists. Then common advice is don't over do it as too much use or time in the fluid bath might degrade the record itself. You need a filter to clear the contaminates while cleaning.
Thanks for this...I've thought on and off about getting one of these since the first model was introduced...
I still use my old Nitty Gritty record cleaning machine. I wonder what people think about them now days?
Me too. I scrub my old records or used library finds with an old VPI brush--I make them sing with the wet bristles in the grooves--and then the Nitty Gritty vacuum does a great job to dry them. I've had that thing since the 90s! I've replaced the spindle twice and changed the VAC Sweep slit velvet lips a few times too.
Could someone tell me which Enya song this is please?
Edit: I found it, It's Shepherd Moons
Thanks for doing this ...I have been thinking about getting one since the buzz about the first one. I don't use my Spin-Clean as it just does not clean as good and its takes time as a manual device. Thanks for the review!
GREAT review, excellent end song Mazzy! I have the updated original, it has been fantastic so far and appreciate your honesty in review. Perhaps give it another year and see if the Nova comes down in price. 🤔
Aloha Mazzy,
Thanks for your review, at this time, I'll stick to my OG Hummin Guru. Now the Hummin guru goes for $599.00, on Amazon, & the Nova is just $200.00 more at $799.00.
The Nova sounds like a winner also, but for my collection one machine is enough at this time.
Always looking forward to watching your videos Mazzy.
Mahalo Ed.
I have a 1983 Australian pressing of Blonde On Blonde with the Claudia Cardinale photo. Do you know what year she asked for her photo to be removed?
1966
Great video Mazzy👍
I've resisted 55 years... I'm a lazy guy too... I love my record collection... And I've always been curious about those ultrasonic things. Listening to your thoughts on this video made me press the "buy" button after all those years of listening you and others about he HumminGuru. I've found the first HumminGuru being a bit too "beta version" for what I saw on the reviews... This Nova version seems more mature to me, or, at least, it got less problems, so I'm giving it a try. Thanks for your honest review of it.
Enjoy the clean vinyl! 😎
I have a Degritter machine. It does a great job!
That’s what I hear ✌🏼
Yup. I have compared several ultrasonic machines and the degritter won all shootouts
@@Vinylfromtheunderground How do you determine the winner when you can't A/B compare results from cleaning the same record?
Thank you for the thorough review. Yes, I need to invest in a record cleaner.
I ❤️ A Day Without Rain by Enya. It's one of my favorite albums by her.
According to Humminguru, the drying rack also serves as a "now playing" stand. Def worth extra $300 😂
Yeah I forgot to mention that 🤓
I use a surfactant because as you can see from your video if you don’t the liquid puddles. If you use a surfactant it forms a nice sheet of liquid over the record surface which surely must be better for the cavitation process. I have also started wet rinsing after noticing opaque bubbles during cleaning and think that the content might dry back into the record surface if allowed to dry. If I have a record I’ve not cleaned in ages I’m thinking of using my Knosti DAS as a pre-clean(mmmm-what liquid to put in that? 🙂)
I use it half the time ✌🏼
Hi Mazzy
I likeb Enya too! Her music is so calming! I miss seeing you on RG but I get it you need a breat but hope you return soon! Peace, Love and music! Trish
Excellent show ...thx
Glad you enjoyed it✌🏼
I would worry that the label would get wet, doesn’t seem to be anything to protect it. Thanks for sharing your experience.
There’s a water line on the tank to tell you how high to fill.
@ You’ve missed the point. When the record has left the fluid and the top of the record is wet, what’s to stop the fluid from running down over the label?
I'm surprised how flimsy the record drying lid is. I have an old manual cleaner (similar to the Knox cleaner) with a lid that has a substantial record holder for drying.
I have an original Humminguru and a Project cleaner. Used for over a year. The Project works better and is quicker BUT you have to be there. You can’t walk away. If I had to ditch one it would be the Huminguru. Nice machine but to get records clean. Project. No contest.
Thank you Norman! A very thoughtful video :) Btw I have had my OG Guru for about 2 years and have cleaned around 1000 LPs: I love it! There have been some issues but very minor and the Costumer Service walked me through it and was Awesome.
And this is the man who prided himself on never cleaning his records when he started his channel
@@davidlg0478 you are absolutely correct. It took me watching a local friend used one of these machines. Add distilled water, push a button a couple of times and let it do its thing. As I said, I was too lazy to use any other method. ✌🏼
The main reason that the degritter does a better job than the humminguru is its frequency. The higher the number the smaller the ca bubbles. The smaller cav bubbles get deeper into the grooves. The Degritter runs at 120khz whereas the humminguru runs at 40khz. I could not justify the price difference between the degritter and huminguru. In Australia the Degritter Mk2 sells for $5,9999aud and the humminguru sells for around $1,200aud
Record cleaning does me a great service as to sound improvement and keeping dirt off the needles. I stumbled some years ago into a Glaess Audio Desk m/c with some repairs and upgrades required in the interim, although in normal use. That m/c works pretty well and is very convenient in use and size. Admittedly, the machine has occasional hick-ups, even when repaired and just in use again, and it is pretty loud. Still, the manufacturer does have a fair complaint handling policy.
One needs to learn to know how to fix what and how. Otherwise one may get a little frustrated with that „soulful“ machine.
I believe the Humminguru would be a good option if made in China is not an unfavorable aspect but I rather support high local content manufacturers.
from 0 to 100%......Time for me to get off the fence. Thanks Mazzy!
Just to get something off my chest. I am a vinyl collector and my thoughts are like this- I always try and purchase Near Mint or Mint vinyl albums. Hence, 90% of my collection look and sound wonderful. In my years of collecting I have probably dismissed four or five albums under quality control due to poor playback. On my reckoning, spending hundreds of pounds (thousands in some cases) on cleaning is not necessary on the basis of my own collection. Spend the money on better quality albums. I do occasionally spray and wipe my records with a cleaning solution if I hear any pops. I am fussy as to what I listen to, so there's my thoughts on the subject. Buy better, spend less. Enjoy the music. Nice article Mazzy.
I totally agree with you. Buy good the first time and look after your records, then you don't need to go to extent of purchasing a machine like this.
That’s exactly where I was. Bought new or clean records for decades. Then when I acquired my Kate friend Coleman’s collection and the Dizzy collection came through here, I realized many records needed help.
I am with you: I want M or NM in my collection :) but I have also found that with cleaning and quality control, the collection is as good as it can get! I have the OG Guru but I also employ hand cleaning techniques and it is amazing how great LPs can sound!!🤩
With a high end turntable set up you will hear a noticeable difference when even washing new records. I wash all my records, new and old.
Having purchased a Nova after my Knosti DAS I can confirm -there is clean, cleaner and cleanest and you can hear the improvement.
Hi Mazzy , Mike from London here. I am just watching your jazz picks for piano day. I was wondering if I could hit you up fore some recommendations ?. I’m looking for something real sleazy, burlesque type stuff, kinda like “Harlem nocturne “ but more so, if you know what I mean. Absolutely love you and your channel, you’re often the soundtrack to my day. Thanks mate
I wonder about the value of this machine in one way. If I spent $700 to $800 on a new cart with a fine line or shibata stylus, would I get less noise on my playback? Enough to not be so concerned with shiny clean vinyl?
I’m not the expert, but I do know your stylus will last a lot longer if your records are clean. So 🤷🏻♂️
@@mazzysmusic It's weird but the diamond can cut glass, right? And it's gliding through a plastic groove and is removing burrs and other pressing anomalies--this just happened to me with the new Mark Knopfler record: loud rhythmic pops like static, but there was no static on the record, and by the third play, the pops were gone.
The Linn guys clean their price-is-no-object styli with high-grit sandpaper.... And yet dust can determine the life span of a stylus?
Don't get me wrong, I've been scrubbing records for 30 years because I've never had a fine-tipped MC cart. But I've heard high-end styli in my seemingly worn records and there is a whole other dimension of clean grooves to be found with a good cartridge.
Every before and after sound clip I've herd these machines only make the slightest difference and no better than just cleaning by hand.
I can't justify the price and the hassle if its not going to get better results than a paint edger.
Also lots of people saying 40hz doesn't create cavitation small enough to get into the grooves, has anyone got any solid information on this?
Well there is a huge difference before and after with very dirty records. With some new records you simply get the dust and paper crap off.
@mazzysmusic
Yeah and there's also a huge difference before and after with very dirty records when you clean them by hand.
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 of course. I’m not saying this or any machine is the end all. But it does an excellent job with little effort. It is an investment. But can be worh it depending on a persons collection.
I have a Degritter MKII, my friend has the HG & a Spin Clean. We cleaned the LP by hand, listened, tried it on the Humminguru, it was much better & then we cleaned it on my Degritter MKII & again, there was an even better improvement yet again over both methods. I can only speak from experience at my end. If you're happy with your method, just stick with it. Enjoy your music.
Thanks Mazzy!
I got the Dylan cover about 50 years ago. The record was trash but a friend told me the cover was rare . Any idea how I could find out if the cover alone is of much value? Discogs possibly ! That is a poor excuse for a drying rack. Hopefully they ironed out the bugs because they were breaking down.
I better buy one before the tariffs get raised 😂 When you said weave, I knew exactly where you were going.
I actually had a segment about the tariffs (if they happen) adding 20% to these. It went in too long so I cut it.
Do you rinse after the wash, they dry?
The problem with BoB is the harmonica is pitched too high and screechy.
Totally agree
Mazzy :-)
Which track of Enya’s is it that you were playing? I recognise it but I can’t for the life of me recall the name of the song!
Love and peace
Tony
@@DaleRC75 thanks!
Mazzy, thanks a bunch for doing this review. There's no way to get around paying $500 for the original version of the humming guru, if you go to their website and purchase it, it cost $379+$312 to ship to California. That's no bargain, so it's $499 at Amazon and $799 for the Nova. Like you said, it's not cheap.
When I bought my original the shipping was around $30 🤷🏻♂️ your quote seems really high ? Are you calculating US dollar conversion ?
@@mazzysmusic I went to their website and calculated it in US dollars and it came up with that figure for shipping charges. Maybe I should contact their customer service to find out what the deal was, but that just looked outrageous. Thanks a bunch Mazzy!
Whats the difference in play back when they have been cleaned, just curious.
Huge improvement with dirty records. It won’t solve surface noise from worn records though. No cleaner will.
I feel like I’m at a wedding listening to this opening music 😂
Exactly 🤷🏻♂️
Were these gifted Mazzie? I thought the guru couldn't reach the necessary hertz to produce the right sized cavitation bubbles?
As I said in the video, I bought the original and was sent the Nova. The design change gets closer to the DeGritter in the way it works. But of course the DeGritter at $3200 should and will probably get some records cleaner. But the difference I’ve heard in my dirty recirds is still dramatic with the Nova.
Interesting. The price range is just too much for a pensioner. Great review.
Do a little bank fraud for some extra $$$
'Doing the weave'. Mazzy, you bastard!
🤷🏻♂️I cut out the part that the prices will increase if tariffs happen next year
I have the original and use it a lot. I love it. I supplement it with a Spin-Clean. Would I like the Nova? Sure. But, not for 300.00 more. If it was say 150.00 more? Sure. I think the lid/rack is a waste...its just cute...that's it. Anyway..:)
The weave. 😂
You get thumbs up for just introducing "the weave" into the politics of record cleaning machines.
Good ol’ Mazzy
I Love Thunderclap Newman song
On your outro from Ringos movie
The magic Christian !
That’s Badfinger
Yup
The "weave" lol
I think the answer is the Huminguru machine PLUS a rinse step using distilled water and the VinylVac 33 system. Vacuum the noisy dirt off the record
..most important is no Cavitation machine will ever remove fingerprints etc like a vac. Every seroius vinyl lover need to own both.
Just use a cloth to do that before you use the HG. Works fine for me..
That’s what do too. ✌🏼
I've never heard a fingerprint effect the sound.
It's purely superficial.
@ yeah. So easy to wipe off prints with a soft rag.
@@crazyprayingmantis5596
It’s when it attracts crud over time
I have been on Spin Clean for about 5 years now and most videos online after comparing with all these machines still say it is a better cleaning… Yes it is more work but…
It’s like putting a better cartridge on your deck 👍
hallelujah
Haha
I use the Humminguru brush before I run it through my 1st gen Humminguru and I think the combination makes a cleaner record. I will defiantly keep my 1st gen until it dies (I did have my board replaced after about 12 washes)
Like just for the intro alone. LOL.
New age music + New age record cleaner .
No Mazz, the music should be, Sail Away, Sail Away, Sail Away!!! Bloody hell.
The Chump Weave reference wasn’t cool - hope it was a slip.
The weave has become a thing. A way to describe when what you’re saying makes no sense whatsoever. 🤷🏻♂️
@ Love the channel, and your musical taste, but the only one pretending that’s what it means is an incoherent liar attempting to cover for a rotted brain, so better to not take any queues from him. ✌️
if you have a collection of 1000 copies or more, there is a good chance that you will never listen to some records again. Even a "dirty" record tells you a story...buy a replacement (for $700) or leave it as it is, you will save precious time and money...just a thought...
Replace the record?
Come on Mazzzzz. You know better than that. lol. The degritter is $3200 for more than the build. The real difference between the guru nova and the degritter is the 40hz vs 120hz. 40 doesn’t create cavitation bubbles small enough to get to the base of the groove. 120 does. I have re-cleaned records in my degritter MKII that were cleaned with the guru and the results were amazing. The soundstage improved in a big way, less noise and the degritter filter showed some dirts after each cleaning. Proof enough for me. plus the degritter doesn't have build issues like the clear audio and other machines. tge degritter MKII at 3200 is absolutely worth the difference if you collect and listen to vintage records.
Have you got a link to the paperwork that states that 40 Hz doesn't create cavitation bubbles small enough?
@@Vinylfromtheunderground of course it’s not the build, and It better be better for 5 times the price. I’m sure it’s worth it for some and not others. I’m not one of those others, but I get why you are
Klaudio and the majority of all other ultrasonic cleaners use 40 Hz. Are you saying they are all doing it wrong?
@@Jonny_C73 I’m certainly not. For $3200 or $6500 they better be better. But when all is said and done, I’m personally good where I’m at and enjoy the results and especially the music .
@Jonny_C73
I'm after the peer reviewed scientific papers that say 40hz isn't good enough, I've yet to see any, does anyone have any?
I've been very happy with the Kirmus machine and method. More work but worth it. It's really not difficult
I know it is not difficult, as I saw it in action. I say the demonstration a couple of times. I know two people who like it a lot. Just too much work for me. As I said in the video, I'm too lazy, and I don't have a white lab coat 🙂
@mazzysmusic it's definitely work I only have about 250 albums took me a couple of weeks. Now I'll wait until I have 2 or three new purchases lined up and knock them out in 15min
Love the use of the Enja "score." It's like getting a massage and a clean record at the same time.
Because I, too, am lazy (and cheap), I use a less expensive set up that can ultrasonically clean up to six discs at a time on a single rotating spindle. I also have an Okki Nokki that I can use with a goat-hair brush if necessary to really get into grooves and pull out dirt that may be lodged in there.
5:41 🤔😂
shame that it is a Chinese company and we cannot buy it in China......
I have been using mine for 2 weeks. Interesting little machine. I use my kirmuss for the primary clean and then Humminguru as rinse second run. The disks are very clean by the time I am done. I am not sure if the Humminguru is really doing much but it is ok. I actually feel like the air dry tends to put dust back on to the disk. So I am not really a fan of the air dry. The surfactant they provide makes bubbly suds. I am not using this anymore. It does keep the surface more evenly wet which is supposed to do. This allows the ultrasonic cavitation get in there. But as you said you need a rinse cycle. Honestly the humminguru is just ok. I feel like it doesn’t do inner grooves that well nor the starting groove. Also, It’s a no touch process so sometimes there is so much gunk ultrasonic on its own not sufficient. Need some mechanical cleaning then go to the Guru. Note: trumps tariffs will also raise these prices too. This is an all China unit
I've never been a crate digger buying filthy junk records and cannot for the life of me understand why you're putting records with "so much gunk" straight into any machine. You really shouldn't be putting what is an obviously really dirty looking record on sight straight into any cleaning machine. Common sense dictates you wash that muck off by hand or hand brush prior. I clean all my records by hand - and they aren't visibly dirty at all - before they go into the humminguru. The humminguru is doing a great deal. What you must double-check is the water level. Make sure it sits just above that recommended line and never below. The humminguru is way, way more than "just ok". I have records I've owned since the early 1970's now playing without any pops or clicks at all, sounding like I bought them yesterday. My turntable is a Rega P-10.
@@apollomemories7399 you have your experience and I have mine. The Humminguru is just ok in my book. The kirmuss is used for the really dirty stuff.
You need mechanical process for really dirty crap. The kirmuss is the way to go for that. The humminguru is not an all in one. It is a “light” ultrasonic clean. This is why it is just ok. I think we are mostly agreeing. But the humminguru is light duty and you can tell by its weight it’s not a pro machine. It’s just good enough for the casual enthusiast
@@revelry1969 Oh man, what are you saying here? Have you any idea of the massive inroads made in technology production concerning the weight of products? Everything and I mean everything that is in multiple production these days, from shipping, all sea vessels. all aircraft, all production cars, all domestic appliances have all had great reductions in terms of component weight. Makes for cheaper shipping and transportation, greater efficiancy with raw materials etc. Weight is no longer any kind of gauge on quality.
Just ask Elon Musk.
@ it is a flimsy unit. It works ok. I am using it only as a rinse stage. The kirmuss is built very well…and has a sturdy feel. This Humminguru is kinda wimpy machine and thus get wimpy results. There is a reason the degritter is 3G. I wouldn’t ask Elon anything these days.
@@revelry1969 There's actually no good reason why it's 3G, other than low production level with high production cost. Perhaps if you had a better understanding of basic economies of scale then you might have a different perception. But, what you do not want to do is to blast the eff out of your records. We saw Dave do that on his site with an AC/DC album. I'm very happy that the humminguru is not going to do that and treats my valuable 1970's UK 1st pressings very carefully. I do not mind at all if I have to put the record through a cycle one more time if I find the first cycle was not sufficient. I don't want my records cleaned like a dirty old piece of cutlery or sauce pot, like I'm running a guest house. And I say that as an ex-international hotelier of 35 years. I know these heavy-duty machines very well as we used them to deep-clean restauarant utensils etc. I wouldn't want that degritter contraption near my vinyl. And it's nothing to do with money as I could easily afford it.
Mazzy, we can save all this time and trouble. Play CDs. Don't hate the messenger.
Baby without announcing, but I have as many albums as you have maybe a little bit more I tried this machine. It’s a joke spend the five grand and buy the one that everyone believes is right. It’s an investment that this one’s a joke. It takes too long it doesn’t he correct? It’s a joke and you keep using the same amount of water through a filter. That’s worthless. I hope you enjoyed it but you spend the four and you get it done right both sides dry, complete ready to put and spin.
Yeah, just "spend the five grand"! We don't all live in your world mate
You wrote it “ its a joke spend the five grand” 😂
LOL calm down and keep paying 5k for a 200$ product 😂
Enjoy your machine. ✌🏼💦
@austinlibby7025 I’m sure this made more sense in your head 🤔