Thank you for the comparison. Just a recommendation: if you could consider including simulation tasks in future reviews for cpu(smoke, water, physics, particles).
Threadripper pro's advantage is 8 channel memory, you are not using it no wonder it is not as fast as ryzen 5900x. If you want the comparison to be accurate put 16GB*8 on Threadripper pro and 32GB*4 on Ryzen 9 5900x and then do benchmarks on Scientific workloads. If you want Cinebench score just get Ryzen 9, no need for Threadripper pro.
Benchmark aside, I dont think we can ever put that to the test, simply because it's out of Ryzen's league: Tons of storage, >2 GPUs... In short, you want to put ALL of the PCIe from the Threadripper platform being to good use Massive need to transfer data. The last time I see such an example is a workstation with 2TB RAM, 5x GPUs, 2 RAID card, 8x NVMe SSDs and 16x HDD. You see: No X670 board could do that.
Thank you very much for your very realistic and objective comparison. It would be very interesting to see a similar comparison between the new Ryzen 9 7950X and the Threadripper Pro 5955WX Both processors have 16 cores / 32 threads and the big question would be whether the Threadripper's 128 PCI lines are the only advantages over the Ryzen 9 7950X. Also, I miss your videos. I hope you are in good health. And happy new year.
Awesome work! Thank you very much for the time you put into these videos! Creator related content is super rare and seeing it done this well is even rarer (is that even a word?) P.S. I notice some echo in the audio that happens until 8 minute mark. It feels like your voice get's repeated by a machine in the background. P.S.2. Are you in Malaysia or Canada? Merry Christmas and a happy new year! Best wishes from Turkey!
Why you were surprised? It's just Zen 2 vs. Zen 3. And Quad-/Octa-Channel RAM is not going to catch up for that. Plus: the Ryzen system is usually a VERY LOT cheaper if you consider how much a WRX80 board costs.
thank to for sharing thuering, and yes the WRX80 MOBOs are a lot more money, but it all depends on what kind of upgrade path you want and what PCIe devices with are going to be using. This is the deciding factor when choosing a system
He ran dual channel in both systems. TR PRO ZEN3 is just two months away. 3D is all clock speed but that's only part of Media/Video work. A test that spins on clock speeds on one frame don't show the bottleneck in drive to ram and ram to cpu. One frame speed test isn't the same as production of an hour of 4K at 60 FPS. He was showing boost clock speed on a Ryzen with watercooling to stop throttling. thuering never points out that a single frame test isn't a pro workstation or that X570/Z690 nrrd water to maintain that boost speed. MSS proved that an air cooled TR ZEN2 in a tite case is a workstation. Dual channel ram and only one X16 PCIe socket is for gamer boys.
@@maxhughes5687 i am really getting tired to explain workstations for you. I am building workstations for professionals for about 15 years now. From "mainstream desktop gamer boy PCs" to Core X to Threadripper (Pro) and even Dual Epyc machines, if the field of application is reasonable. For a lot of different professionals. Video editors, music producers, architects, 3D specialists, VFX specialists, FEM-workstations for engineers and many more. "TR PRO ZEN3 is just two months away." Funny how you try to turn MY original arguments against me. - yes, 3D CPU rendering is all about IPC (!), core count and clock speed - 3D rendering doesn't benefit from Quad- or Octa-Channel or a m.2 NVMe "Quad Card", because single frames are finished so slowly - no, you don't need watercooling to stop throttling a Ryzen, a decent air cooler like DRP4 or NH-D15 is also very capable for that (and this assumption of you is just another of many hints that you have absolutely no deep understanding of PCs / workstations) - yes, Quad- and Octa-Channel have a benefit if you are doing (High-End!) Video Editing, depending on the software you are using (i.e. Premiere benefits more than Resolve) - yes, a "m.2 NVMe Quad Card" will offer you a benefit *_IF_* (and this is very important!) your footage is shot with a very high data rate and / or you have several layers of these high data rate raw material. A "m.2 NVMe Quad Card" won't give you a benefit if you are cutting a single layer of i.e. 100 MBit/s (that's 12.5 Megabyte per Second!) h.264 footage of a consumer DSLR. So there is no "bottleneck" from "CPU to RAM" or "CPU to SSD" if you are not a high/highest-end user. Dual Channel DDR4-3200 practical bandwidth is above 40 Gigabyte / Second. Where is the bottleneck? Single PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD practical bandwidth is above 6.5 Gigabyte / Second. Where is the bottleneck? Buy whatever you want to. Use whatever you want to. Defend your investment. But stop triggering me if you don't have a clue how all these specifications do cohere.
@@thuering6229 If anyone wants a workstation with one X16 PCIe socket, limited ram, antique dual channel ram and One Gen4 M.2 socket they should contact you now. The only video work that is only about clock speed is 3D. Intel's 6 channel ram, AMD's 8 channel ram and Intel's 12 channel ram on dual Xeon cpus is what pros buy.
it's good that you mentioned the differences at the end, but you shouldn't be surprised about the performance because the 5900X is built using the Zen3 architecture and the TR Pro is a Zen 2 part, that's why the Ryzen was always on top. and yes just like you said the TR Pro is a great choice over the old TR platform that was hindered by so many aspects like 256GB of ram and limited PCIe lanes, thankfully AMD realized how good of a planform they could made for studios and 3D artists if they merge their Epyc and TR specs and give birth to a new Pro platform that has most strengths and less weaknesses of each one. The AM4 platform is great for normal users and gamers such as myself and great entry level for pro-sumers as well especially with the 5950X
@@MediamanStudioServices I've got everything but the new cpu. The ram , GEN4 drives and gpu are coming out of my X399. Old stuff from my Ryzen build will go in my X399. It's the sWRX8 socket TR PRO 5955WX price? IDK
The custom cooling is also a factor. A good Custom cooling allows the CPU to run on the Boost clock. At 03:43 - Ryzen 9 base clock is 3.7GHz, but running on 4.18 GHz (Boosted) At 03:55 - Threadripper Pro base clock is 4GHz, but running on 3.94 GHz (Throttled) I cant even find a Threadripper Pro 3945wx to build a custom PC. So i need to buy a Lenovo pre-build PC. Sure, then you could swap out the case, fans, cooling. And this would add a lot to the price. I think the Threadripper Pro 3945wx is a OEM only part, so basically its only sold inside a Lenovo PC. But you need the PCIe Lanes from the Threadripper when you want to build a Render PC with 4x GPUe, PCIe Raid card, M.2 SSDs, 256GB Ram, ...
So the TR-Pro was not throttled. not every CPU will run at the full speed for every Application. I checked this after recording the video. I would not get the P620 if your going to build a GPU rendering system. the power supply is only 1000 watts and the case will not let you install more than 2 dual slot GPUs
I'm with you on that. I can just afford a budget TR build, but that WRX80E SAGE has the I/O for any task. ATX size TR Pro boards are coming, but that big E-ATX case has room for everything and big radiators.
@@maxhughes5687 there won't come any new WRX80 motherboards. Threadripper Pro 5000 is extremely delayed (hopefully coming next month...) and the next generation Threadripper Pro (6000, 7000, whatever) will come within the next 13 month. This will need a new socket and a new chipset. Mainboard manufacturers won't launch any new mobos for that "old" platform.
@@thuering6229 Yes. Going from 4094 pin socket to a 6096 pin socket with 12 channel ram. I can't afford a new upgrade on a TR for another 3 to 5 years.
Helooo media man , fans of you channel , really helpfull , Im planning to make workstation for big archviz scene , i want to optimized for viewport fluidty , which gpu and cpu , do you recommend ?
Thank you. Was waiting for this comparison for some time now. I do not agree on the upgrade path being easy for the Threadripper Pro. You will have to sell off your old cpu to upgrade to a higher core count. Best is to start a Threadripper pro at 32 cores which you can not do on a Ryzen. Also the memory capacity of a TRX80 is insane at 2 TB.
yes xbmc79, they are. But NVMe drives are only using 4 lanes per drive. So unless you are have a lot of drives in your system, there is enough lanes to supply NVMe/M.2 connectivity.
The most important part is missing ... . WX you can build a multi gpu rig with raid m.2 cards plug all things in and it still works at full speed. the Ryzen will not you always lose lanes on the m.2 side or sata side or the pcie lanes for gpu side.... so know what your building ...then buy the board to what you want to plug in .... not the other way around ... wx is for the big boys
thanks for sharing with the channel. You can find all the information that you have mentioned in my video on Desktop vs Workstation computers here: th-cam.com/video/KpBWaiWcXAk/w-d-xo.html
Ryzen 5950x with 128gb ram, two A5000 or A6000 gpus, attached with NVLink bridge, is for the big boys too. And for much less money than wx threadripper.
@@DerekDavis213 true. But you can’t keep adding things. With asus WX80 platform it’s a playground for combinations. I don’t need 5GHz. I like to test and change setup. U.2 mmm. Its just different But hey i like every setup 😅👍
I would prefer the p620. It looks like you could run 6 single slot GPUs (or APU or TPU). As fast as the CPUs are... if you are working in ML/AI or even rendering I think it is all about the GPUs. I think a dual E5-26XX running 6 GPUs (or APU or TPU) would run circles around any Ryzen 9 running 2 GPUs. 28 PCIE lanes is simply not enough.
I believe Threadripper Pro machines are meant to be more stable for prolonged work sessions, and projects. At first glance, yes the Custom build, or the regular Ryzen CPU's will render quicker, and the like. However, when using Editing, or Content Creation software programs, the Threadripper Pro CPU's, and Chipsets will prove more reliable, and stable while working on prolonged projects, when you have those programs open, and running for long periods of time. ECC both with the RAM, and ECC memory with workstation GPU's provide overall stability to prevent crashes.... Thats one of the main purposes for Pro systems, is for those who use such programs for hours upon a time, daily. Also for applications that may run for 24hrs a day, 7 days a week. Basically, people who use these programs almost everyday, because it's their job. A lot of enthusiasts, and youtube content creators don't tend to use these programs that extensively. I have noticed numerous times, that Premiere Pro will crash, or freezes on regular Ryzen custom builds, if the program is open, and running for long periods of time ( Hours ). Due to the complexity ( Operations in the background, and communications between the different hardware components ) of Adobe Premiere Pro for example, the transferring of data ( Code ) can get corrupted, which is where ECC both with the RAM, and GPU memory steps in, and provides smoother, uncorrupted transferring of data ..... It's not always obvious, but the architecture of Nvidia cards for example, when using Adobe Premiere Pro tends to present a very complex system of transferring of data, that can lead to crashes with prolonged use, even though Nvidia compared to AMD tends to outperform them in Premiere Pro in rendering, exporting, etc. AMD cards however will be more stable when working with such programs for longer periods of time due to their own Architecture, and how that communicates with the software, even though they don't outperform Nvidia in the various processes when video editing, rendering, exporting, etc for example. Sometimes, there are trade offs, faster speeds, but with increased risk of crashes with prolonged use, verses slower speeds, with a decrease in the risk of crashes of prolonged use. It's kind of like a high performance fast engine, with less engine life, compared to a diesel engine with longer engine life sort of ..... :) The margin of difference between the speeds is not that significant, between the Pro version of the Threadrippers, and the regular Threadrippers. The Pro version just offers better reliability for those who need it, like professionals in the industries that use those software programs from 9-5 ....
Workstations, and servers have ECC RAM for a reason. The probability of an error occurring within the code is obviously greater. Workstation chipsets as well as Server chipsets tend to have more robust components for durability, and longevity in addition to ECC Ram . These systems tend to be placed under heavier than usual work loads , for longer than usual ( the typical PC enthusiasts ) Their main objective is to be stable. Now I’m not saying a Regular Ryzen CPU isn’t stable entirely with regards to the features those platforms provide but by comparison those systems have an advantage over the regular Ryzen CPU, the same goes for the core processors vs Xeon chips, that’s one of the reasons they cost so much, with slower clock speeds, they are meant to last a very long time, while running continuously, some for over 20yrs. The U.S. military uses Xeon chips in weapon systems that require CPU’s. If when you mention a stable power supply are you referring to Seasonic’s Prime Titanium series ?
@@shannonbailey8515 Workstations have ECC RAM you say? Then how come the (very expensive) iMac Pro and the new Mac Studio do not use ECC? Also, most graphic cards don't come with ECC memory either. A gamer or even serious 'creative' user doesn't need ECC. Here is what is important: quality power supply and RAM good airflow thru the case stable Windows install, without a lot of junk running in the background (antivirus, weather apps, and malware/adware in general).
ECC RAM is oftentimes expensive, and the majority of motherboards for PC gamers, and content creators don’t support ECC RAM anyways. If you have Premiere Pro open, and are working on a project for say 6-10 consecutive hours you will likely experience some freezes, and get a pop up from Adobe telling you something went wrong and that you need to close Premier Pro, and that you need to restart the program. This can be due to a number of issues, and one of those issues can be corrupted data transfer from various components CPU, RAM, GPU, somewhere within the processing, and transferring of data / code in the form of an algorithm an error occurred, and halts, or stops the program from continuing to operate. Most users don’t spend more than 3hrs per session when working on projects, Hollywood studios for example are familiar with this happening, and part of how they counter setbacks is by breaking those projects into smaller ones, to reduce the chance of crashes while in the middle of projects.
@@shannonbailey8515 How many CEOs or CFOs in Corporate America have a PC that uses ECC memory? Pretty much zero. But what if the leaders of a company are running a huge spreadsheet, full of critical calculations, financial forecasts, etc? A memory error could cause a HUGE problem if the spreadsheet data gets corrupted or even *subtly* *changed* . But obviously this is NOT a problem in real life, and that is why ECC is pretty much a gimmick, designed to get more money for servers. A software or programming error (or user error) are all much more likely than a hardware memory error.
@@MediamanStudioServices It would interesting to add RAM modules to the TR system, and look at benchmarks dual vs eight channel memory. Would it make a serious difference?
@@OVERKILL_PINBALL It does make ZEN3 look good. It does make me want to wait for a ZEN3 TR PRO. MSS did cover what's on the market today. The only 12 core TR Pro's are in OEM Lenovo. TR is last in line to get the new 8 core CCD from AMD. I'm glad that 3955WX and 5955WX will both work on the WRX80E board.
Why would this result be surprising or interesting? 5900x is using Zen 3 cores while the Threadripper pro is using Zen 2 cores. The IPC gap between Zen 2 and Zen 3 is not insignificant. Of course its going to beat it in work loads if you have the same number of cores. It would be slightly more interesting if you benchmarked it against a 3900x instead. As you know, the reason to have a computer build with threadripper pro is for higher core counts, memory bandwidth and PCIe lanes-- not raw core for core compute.
No wonder AMD is stopping production of Threadripper products, the new Ryzen chipsets and future generations make it redundant to create these specialized products that require other sockets.
And now Alder Lake 12700K and 12900K are beating Ryzen too, especially on single core performance. Threadripper is pretty much overpriced and obsolete now.
Are we sure that's really the case though? In the arch-viz / product-viz and VFX industry there's a lot of folks who would gladly upgrade to higher core count CPUs (Current range tops at 64 cores). Especially so if you can maintain a respectable all core boost when doing multi-core stuff. Also, if you're into running stuff of your PCI-E lanes, you can't really do that on a mainstream platform to an extent you can on a Threadripper platform. Unless you go Epyc but there you'll get lower clocks which is less fitting for certain tasks.
Pains me to see you tempering with the benchmarks by opening stuff. I mean, doesn't it make sense that a cpu that's pinned at 100% has no free resources to give unless a thread is momentarily forced to stop what it's doing just so you can show us that task manager that noone asked for? Next time, have a monitoring software log the different metrics in the background (as in not having the UI visible to you, because of the additional resources it requires to keep the charts updated), and then show us the log after you're done testing.. and if you want to really push it further - benchmark using safe mode if possible. Although it's not an everyday kind of setup, but it will help us get a clearer understanding of the differences since both systems will a similar amount of performance leeching background services..
How much resources does task manager take? I doubt it's noticeable. Besides, in real world usage, you are likely to have much more stuff open while working so even having task manager open is an idealistic scenario.
I almost cried.I never though my 5950x could be faster than thread ripper. But If I am going to buy a new machine, I'll go for workstation because I felt very salty when I found out that I can not do some of my VFX works properly because of the desktop's limitation. Very nice channel.
Interesting, I'm wondering the same about a desktop's limitation. Right now, I've been working in blender a lot and at times I've been limited by the 64 gigs of ram I have. What sort of limitations did you encounter? ram/number of gpus ...? and what sort of vfx are you doing?
@@pablo_parra_ You can install up to 128GBs of CPU ram in upper tier desktop setups, soon the limit will likely be increased to 256GB due to powercreep really
The Ryzen 9 5950X is the evolution of the Ryzen Threadripper 1950X, both 16 core/ 32 thread CPUs. AMD at some point move the 12 and 16 core CPUs down to mainstream Ryzen with Ryzen 3000. But has brought back 12 and 16 core Threadripper for WRX80, which only benefits is the Octa-channel memory and 128-PCIe lanes.
jesus 16 gigs of ram enough for me but i just use a daw not games and integrated graphics you can watch 8k movies know ..who need a dedicated card to do music prodution oh yeah GAMERS hehe
![AMD Ryzen 5900x VS 5950x ➡ worth the EXTRA $250? [12- or 16-core]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/PYV7GXbrl60/mqdefault.jpg)
Thank you for the comparison. Just a recommendation: if you could consider including simulation tasks in future reviews for cpu(smoke, water, physics, particles).
hi Jon, I am looking into doing a video on this subject. Thanks for watching
Threadripper pro's advantage is 8 channel memory, you are not using it no wonder it is not as fast as ryzen 5900x. If you want the comparison to be accurate put 16GB*8 on Threadripper pro and 32GB*4 on Ryzen 9 5900x and then do benchmarks on Scientific workloads. If you want Cinebench score just get Ryzen 9, no need for Threadripper pro.
How much faster is 8ch memory?
Benchmark aside, I dont think we can ever put that to the test, simply because it's out of Ryzen's league: Tons of storage, >2 GPUs... In short, you want to put ALL of the PCIe from the Threadripper platform being to good use Massive need to transfer data.
The last time I see such an example is a workstation with 2TB RAM, 5x GPUs, 2 RAID card, 8x NVMe SSDs and 16x HDD. You see: No X670 board could do that.
Threadripper is also an older cpu.
But the most important is IO, RAM, GPU, SSD.
Thank you very much for your very realistic and objective comparison.
It would be very interesting to see a similar comparison between the new Ryzen 9 7950X and the Threadripper Pro 5955WX
Both processors have 16 cores / 32 threads and the big question would be whether the Threadripper's 128 PCI lines are the only advantages over the Ryzen 9 7950X.
Also, I miss your videos. I hope you are in good health.
And happy new year.
Awesome work! Thank you very much for the time you put into these videos! Creator related content is super rare and seeing it done this well is even rarer (is that even a word?) P.S. I notice some echo in the audio that happens until 8 minute mark. It feels like your voice get's repeated by a machine in the background. P.S.2. Are you in Malaysia or Canada? Merry Christmas and a happy new year! Best wishes from Turkey!
thanks for the kind words. I was in Malaysia but I have moved to Vancouver Canada
Yes , the multi-GPU full bandwidth capability of threadripper is the MAIN advantage in my opinion 👍👍
and room for even more PCIe devices. 128 lanes is great
Why you were surprised? It's just Zen 2 vs. Zen 3. And Quad-/Octa-Channel RAM is not going to catch up for that.
Plus: the Ryzen system is usually a VERY LOT cheaper if you consider how much a WRX80 board costs.
thank to for sharing thuering, and yes the WRX80 MOBOs are a lot more money, but it all depends on what kind of upgrade path you want and what PCIe devices with are going to be using. This is the deciding factor when choosing a system
He ran dual channel in both systems. TR PRO ZEN3 is just two months away. 3D is all clock speed but that's only part of Media/Video work. A test that spins on clock speeds on one frame don't show the bottleneck in drive to ram and ram to cpu. One frame speed test isn't the same as production of an hour of 4K at 60 FPS. He was showing boost clock speed on a Ryzen with watercooling to stop throttling. thuering never points out that a single frame test isn't a pro workstation or that X570/Z690 nrrd water to maintain that boost speed. MSS proved that an air cooled TR ZEN2 in a tite case is a workstation. Dual channel ram and only one X16 PCIe socket is for gamer boys.
@@maxhughes5687 i am really getting tired to explain workstations for you. I am building workstations for professionals for about 15 years now. From "mainstream desktop gamer boy PCs" to Core X to Threadripper (Pro) and even Dual Epyc machines, if the field of application is reasonable. For a lot of different professionals. Video editors, music producers, architects, 3D specialists, VFX specialists, FEM-workstations for engineers and many more.
"TR PRO ZEN3 is just two months away."
Funny how you try to turn MY original arguments against me.
- yes, 3D CPU rendering is all about IPC (!), core count and clock speed
- 3D rendering doesn't benefit from Quad- or Octa-Channel or a m.2 NVMe "Quad Card", because single frames are finished so slowly
- no, you don't need watercooling to stop throttling a Ryzen, a decent air cooler like DRP4 or NH-D15 is also very capable for that (and this assumption of you is just another of many hints that you have absolutely no deep understanding of PCs / workstations)
- yes, Quad- and Octa-Channel have a benefit if you are doing (High-End!) Video Editing, depending on the software you are using (i.e. Premiere benefits more than Resolve)
- yes, a "m.2 NVMe Quad Card" will offer you a benefit *_IF_* (and this is very important!) your footage is shot with a very high data rate and / or you have several layers of these high data rate raw material.
A "m.2 NVMe Quad Card" won't give you a benefit if you are cutting a single layer of i.e. 100 MBit/s (that's 12.5 Megabyte per Second!) h.264 footage of a consumer DSLR.
So there is no "bottleneck" from "CPU to RAM" or "CPU to SSD" if you are not a high/highest-end user. Dual Channel DDR4-3200 practical bandwidth is above 40 Gigabyte / Second. Where is the bottleneck? Single PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD practical bandwidth is above 6.5 Gigabyte / Second. Where is the bottleneck?
Buy whatever you want to. Use whatever you want to. Defend your investment. But stop triggering me if you don't have a clue how all these specifications do cohere.
@@thuering6229 If anyone wants a workstation with one X16 PCIe socket, limited ram, antique dual channel ram and One Gen4 M.2 socket they should contact you now. The only video work that is only about clock speed is 3D. Intel's 6 channel ram, AMD's 8 channel ram and Intel's 12 channel ram on dual Xeon cpus is what pros buy.
@@thuering6229 I'm not forcing you to explain anything. It's your belief that no one can disagree with you that's making you tired.
it's good that you mentioned the differences at the end, but you shouldn't be surprised about the performance because the 5900X is built using the Zen3 architecture and the TR Pro is a Zen 2 part, that's why the Ryzen was always on top.
and yes just like you said the TR Pro is a great choice over the old TR platform that was hindered by so many aspects like 256GB of ram and limited PCIe lanes, thankfully AMD realized how good of a planform they could made for studios and 3D artists if they merge their Epyc and TR specs and give birth to a new Pro platform that has most strengths and less weaknesses of each one.
The AM4 platform is great for normal users and gamers such as myself and great entry level for pro-sumers as well especially with the 5950X
ya, cant wait until they upgrade the TR-pro to the next gen
@@MediamanStudioServices I've got everything but the new cpu. The ram , GEN4 drives and gpu are coming out of my X399. Old stuff from my Ryzen build will go in my X399. It's the sWRX8 socket TR PRO 5955WX price? IDK
@@maxhughes5687 the gen 3 TR-pro is about to be released, so maybe wait a few months. It will be the same socket as the last gen
The custom cooling is also a factor. A good Custom cooling allows the CPU to run on the Boost clock.
At 03:43 - Ryzen 9 base clock is 3.7GHz, but running on 4.18 GHz (Boosted)
At 03:55 - Threadripper Pro base clock is 4GHz, but running on 3.94 GHz (Throttled)
I cant even find a Threadripper Pro 3945wx to build a custom PC. So i need to buy a Lenovo pre-build PC.
Sure, then you could swap out the case, fans, cooling. And this would add a lot to the price.
I think the Threadripper Pro 3945wx is a OEM only part, so basically its only sold inside a Lenovo PC.
But you need the PCIe Lanes from the Threadripper when you want to build a Render PC with 4x GPUe, PCIe Raid card, M.2 SSDs, 256GB Ram, ...
So the TR-Pro was not throttled. not every CPU will run at the full speed for every Application. I checked this after recording the video.
I would not get the P620 if your going to build a GPU rendering system. the power supply is only 1000 watts and the case will not let you install more than 2 dual slot GPUs
I'm with you on that. I can just afford a budget TR build, but that WRX80E SAGE has the I/O for any task. ATX size TR Pro boards are coming, but that big E-ATX case has room for everything and big radiators.
@@maxhughes5687 I really like the ASUS MOBO.
@@maxhughes5687 there won't come any new WRX80 motherboards. Threadripper Pro 5000 is extremely delayed (hopefully coming next month...) and the next generation Threadripper Pro (6000, 7000, whatever) will come within the next 13 month. This will need a new socket and a new chipset.
Mainboard manufacturers won't launch any new mobos for that "old" platform.
@@thuering6229 Yes. Going from 4094 pin socket to a 6096 pin socket with 12 channel ram. I can't afford a new upgrade on a TR for another 3 to 5 years.
why not max out the memory channels on the threadripper pro?
Yeh, it is slowing down (by how much?) the machine by not running in 8 channel.
Please could you be more active in your discord forum? Would be really great to connect with you, love you videos 👍
Very interesting, thank you
you welcome
Helooo media man , fans of you channel , really helpfull , Im planning to make workstation for big archviz scene , i want to optimized for viewport fluidty , which gpu and cpu , do you recommend ?
Do you build pc's for creatives?
Really Great Video!!! I can't wait to see if you do a 32 core workstation against a m1 ultra!!!
Sorry, I am not really into Mac products. But you can enjoy them. Thanks for watching
@@MediamanStudioServices I don't have any Apple products myself. Just saw some of the "claims" and want to see if it's true 😆
@@usualsuspects865 especially in 3D rendering a x86 core is much better than an ARM-based one like Apple M1
I do hope you'll revisit this when we finally get ZEN3 5000 series Threadripper Pro 5945WX.
ya, i am waiting for the next gen TR-Pro, they should be good CPUs
Hello from Maldives. Do you happen to build system for sale? Thank you
hello form Maldives, sorry I do not at this time. But thanks for watching the channel
can you make a test using blender simulations?
How many channels is the Threadripper Ram?
Thank you. Was waiting for this comparison for some time now. I do not agree on the upgrade path being easy for the Threadripper Pro. You will have to sell off your old cpu to upgrade to a higher core count. Best is to start a Threadripper pro at 32 cores which you can not do on a Ryzen. Also the memory capacity of a TRX80 is insane at 2 TB.
there is always a market for used CPUs so selling the old 12 core should not be an issue
PciE lanes are also important in file copy scenarios when m.2 SSDs are used.
yes xbmc79, they are. But NVMe drives are only using 4 lanes per drive. So unless you are have a lot of drives in your system, there is enough lanes to supply NVMe/M.2 connectivity.
The most important part is missing ... . WX you can build a multi gpu rig with raid m.2 cards plug all things in and it still works at full speed. the Ryzen will not you always lose lanes on the m.2 side or sata side or the pcie lanes for gpu side....
so know what your building ...then buy the board to what you want to plug in .... not the other way around ...
wx is for the big boys
thanks for sharing with the channel. You can find all the information that you have mentioned in my video on Desktop vs Workstation computers here: th-cam.com/video/KpBWaiWcXAk/w-d-xo.html
@John he did say that , you just had to watch till the end 😁
@@nokiaairtel5311 yes, most important fact, watch till the end before you make any comments. Thanks Nikia Airtel
Ryzen 5950x with 128gb ram, two A5000 or A6000 gpus, attached with NVLink bridge, is for the big boys too. And for much less money than wx threadripper.
@@DerekDavis213 true. But you can’t keep adding things. With asus WX80 platform it’s a playground for combinations. I don’t need 5GHz. I like to test and change setup. U.2 mmm. Its just different
But hey i like every setup 😅👍
What case is that on the ryzen computer?
lian li o11d, maybe o11d xl
Lian Li 011 dynamic
How much of a cooling difference while video editing in 4k at 60 fps will I see from a 360 am aio than a 120mm aio with a i7-11700F cpu?
11700F doesn't use that much power. An air cooler would be fine, water cooling is not necessary.
other alternative that you can build 2 or more affordable ryzen 5950x desktops towers to distribute the same scene render in all pc builds.
I would prefer the p620. It looks like you could run 6 single slot GPUs (or APU or TPU). As fast as the CPUs are... if you are working in ML/AI or even rendering I think it is all about the GPUs. I think a dual E5-26XX running 6 GPUs (or APU or TPU) would run circles around any Ryzen 9 running 2 GPUs. 28 PCIE lanes is simply not enough.
I believe Threadripper Pro machines are meant to be more stable for prolonged work sessions, and projects. At first glance, yes the Custom build, or the regular Ryzen CPU's will render quicker, and the like. However, when using Editing, or Content Creation software programs, the Threadripper Pro CPU's, and Chipsets will prove more reliable, and stable while working on prolonged projects, when you have those programs open, and running for long periods of time. ECC both with the RAM, and ECC memory with workstation GPU's provide overall stability to prevent crashes.... Thats one of the main purposes for Pro systems, is for those who use such programs for hours upon a time, daily. Also for applications that may run for 24hrs a day, 7 days a week. Basically, people who use these programs almost everyday, because it's their job. A lot of enthusiasts, and youtube content creators don't tend to use these programs that extensively. I have noticed numerous times, that Premiere Pro will crash, or freezes on regular Ryzen custom builds, if the program is open, and running for long periods of time ( Hours ). Due to the complexity ( Operations in the background, and communications between the different hardware components ) of Adobe Premiere Pro for example, the transferring of data ( Code ) can get corrupted, which is where ECC both with the RAM, and GPU memory steps in, and provides smoother, uncorrupted transferring of data ..... It's not always obvious, but the architecture of Nvidia cards for example, when using Adobe Premiere Pro tends to present a very complex system of transferring of data, that can lead to crashes with prolonged use, even though Nvidia compared to AMD tends to outperform them in Premiere Pro in rendering, exporting, etc. AMD cards however will be more stable when working with such programs for longer periods of time due to their own Architecture, and how that communicates with the software, even though they don't outperform Nvidia in the various processes when video editing, rendering, exporting, etc for example. Sometimes, there are trade offs, faster speeds, but with increased risk of crashes with prolonged use, verses slower speeds, with a decrease in the risk of crashes of prolonged use. It's kind of like a high performance fast engine, with less engine life, compared to a diesel engine with longer engine life sort of ..... :) The margin of difference between the speeds is not that significant, between the Pro version of the Threadrippers, and the regular Threadrippers. The Pro version just offers better reliability for those who need it, like professionals in the industries that use those software programs from 9-5 ....
Do you have any evidence that a Ryzen 5900x machine, with premium power supply and lots of airfow, is less stable for 'prolonged work sessions'?
Workstations, and servers have ECC RAM for a reason. The probability of an error occurring within the code is obviously greater. Workstation chipsets as well as Server chipsets tend to have more robust components for durability, and longevity in addition to ECC Ram . These systems tend to be placed under heavier than usual work loads , for longer than usual ( the typical PC enthusiasts ) Their main objective is to be stable. Now I’m not saying a Regular Ryzen CPU isn’t stable entirely with regards to the features those platforms provide but by comparison those systems have an advantage over the regular Ryzen CPU, the same goes for the core processors vs Xeon chips, that’s one of the reasons they cost so much, with slower clock speeds, they are meant to last a very long time, while running continuously, some for over 20yrs. The U.S. military uses Xeon chips in weapon systems that require CPU’s. If when you mention a stable power supply are you referring to Seasonic’s Prime Titanium series ?
@@shannonbailey8515 Workstations have ECC RAM you say?
Then how come the (very expensive) iMac Pro and the new Mac Studio do not use ECC?
Also, most graphic cards don't come with ECC memory either.
A gamer or even serious 'creative' user doesn't need ECC. Here is what is important:
quality power supply and RAM
good airflow thru the case
stable Windows install, without a lot of junk running in the background (antivirus, weather apps, and malware/adware in general).
ECC RAM is oftentimes expensive, and the majority of motherboards for PC gamers, and content creators don’t support ECC RAM anyways. If you have Premiere Pro open, and are working on a project for say 6-10 consecutive hours you will likely experience some freezes, and get a pop up from Adobe telling you something went wrong and that you need to close Premier Pro, and that you need to restart the program. This can be due to a number of issues, and one of those issues can be corrupted data transfer from various components CPU, RAM, GPU, somewhere within the processing, and transferring of data / code in the form of an algorithm an error occurred, and halts, or stops the program from continuing to operate. Most users don’t spend more than 3hrs per session when working on projects, Hollywood studios for example are familiar with this happening, and part of how they counter setbacks is by breaking those projects into smaller ones, to reduce the chance of crashes while in the middle of projects.
@@shannonbailey8515 How many CEOs or CFOs in Corporate America have a PC that uses ECC memory? Pretty much zero.
But what if the leaders of a company are running a huge spreadsheet, full of critical calculations, financial forecasts, etc? A memory error could cause a HUGE problem if the spreadsheet data gets corrupted or even *subtly* *changed* .
But obviously this is NOT a problem in real life, and that is why ECC is pretty much a gimmick, designed to get more money for servers.
A software or programming error (or user error) are all much more likely than a hardware memory error.
Are both on dual channel or was it dual channel on Ryzen and eight channel on the TR?
Dual Channel for both
@@MediamanStudioServices It would interesting to add RAM modules to the TR system, and look at benchmarks dual vs eight channel memory. Would it make a serious difference?
Wow the results are pretty surprising.. I would have thought that the TRP would beat the desktop chip.
ya me too or be more even at least
@@MediamanStudioServices I just realized it is Zen2 vs Zen3, now it makes more sense
@@OVERKILL_PINBALL It does make ZEN3 look good. It does make me want to wait for a ZEN3 TR PRO. MSS did cover what's on the market today. The only 12 core TR Pro's are in OEM Lenovo. TR is last in line to get the new 8 core CCD from AMD. I'm glad that 3955WX and 5955WX will both work on the WRX80E board.
run premiere pro and da vinci for practical use
Basically, buy the one that’s cheaper.
They both do well.
missing your videos
Hi Santiago. I just got my new studio and will be setting up to make more content very soon. Thanks for watching the channel
Why would this result be surprising or interesting? 5900x is using Zen 3 cores while the Threadripper pro is using Zen 2 cores. The IPC gap between Zen 2 and Zen 3 is not insignificant. Of course its going to beat it in work loads if you have the same number of cores. It would be slightly more interesting if you benchmarked it against a 3900x instead.
As you know, the reason to have a computer build with threadripper pro is for higher core counts, memory bandwidth and PCIe lanes-- not raw core for core compute.
Cool stuff. I made the right choice with the P620 for the upgrade potential.
hope you like your new system Adam
No wonder AMD is stopping production of Threadripper products, the new Ryzen chipsets and future generations make it redundant to create these specialized products that require other sockets.
And now Alder Lake 12700K and 12900K are beating Ryzen too, especially on single core performance.
Threadripper is pretty much overpriced and obsolete now.
Are we sure that's really the case though? In the arch-viz / product-viz and VFX industry there's a lot of folks who would gladly upgrade to higher core count CPUs (Current range tops at 64 cores). Especially so if you can maintain a respectable all core boost when doing multi-core stuff. Also, if you're into running stuff of your PCI-E lanes, you can't really do that on a mainstream platform to an extent you can on a Threadripper platform. Unless you go Epyc but there you'll get lower clocks which is less fitting for certain tasks.
Pains me to see you tempering with the benchmarks by opening stuff.
I mean, doesn't it make sense that a cpu that's pinned at 100% has no free resources to give unless a thread is momentarily forced to stop what it's doing just so you can show us that task manager that noone asked for?
Next time, have a monitoring software log the different metrics in the background (as in not having the UI visible to you, because of the additional resources it requires to keep the charts updated), and then show us the log after you're done testing.. and if you want to really push it further - benchmark using safe mode if possible. Although it's not an everyday kind of setup, but it will help us get a clearer understanding of the differences since both systems will a similar amount of performance leeching background services..
How much resources does task manager take? I doubt it's noticeable. Besides, in real world usage, you are likely to have much more stuff open while working so even having task manager open is an idealistic scenario.
I almost cried.I never though my 5950x could be faster than thread ripper. But If I am going to buy a new machine, I'll go for workstation because I felt very salty when I found out that I can not do some of my VFX works properly because of the desktop's limitation. Very nice channel.
thanks for watching Rai
Interesting, I'm wondering the same about a desktop's limitation. Right now, I've been working in blender a lot and at times I've been limited by the 64 gigs of ram I have. What sort of limitations did you encounter? ram/number of gpus ...? and what sort of vfx are you doing?
@@pablo_parra_ check out the other video I did not Desktop vs workstation on my channel. th-cam.com/video/KpBWaiWcXAk/w-d-xo.html
@@pablo_parra_ You can install up to 128GBs of CPU ram in upper tier desktop setups, soon the limit will likely be increased to 256GB due to powercreep really
The Ryzen 9 5950X is the evolution of the Ryzen Threadripper 1950X, both 16 core/ 32 thread CPUs. AMD at some point move the 12 and 16 core CPUs down to mainstream Ryzen with Ryzen 3000.
But has brought back 12 and 16 core Threadripper for WRX80, which only benefits is the Octa-channel memory and 128-PCIe lanes.
Hello sir, iam you big fan from India🇮🇳, please tell water cooler name and model of ryzen machine please🙏
you can watch my video here on the build. th-cam.com/video/r_Rl30LhE2M/w-d-xo.html
jesus 16 gigs of ram enough for me but i just use a daw not games and integrated graphics
you can watch 8k movies know ..who need a dedicated card to do music prodution oh yeah GAMERS hehe
and 3D production
The only true tech TH-camr . Rest all are just a waste of time creating a fake hype
thanks again Julius
Please could you be more active in your discord forum? Would be really great to connect with you, love you videos 👍