Chen Quanzhong and student demo Old Routine and Cannon Fist
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ม.ค. 2014
- First section: Chen Qhuanzhong, 19th generation Chen Taiji master, demonstrates Lao Jia (Old Routine). This is the oldest form of Chen style Tai Chi Chuan.
Second section: A student of Chen Quanzhong demonstrates Pao Chui (Cannon Fist).
What a great privilege it is to view this master after so many years of him practicing this form.
I'm not familiar with this gentleman, but I can tell that he has the goods.
I particularly like the way that he does Jin Gang Pounds Mortar and Draping Fist Over Body.
Feeling so well looking at him. Thank's.
Fascinating... I learned this form from Chen Huixian last year, and it looks quite different in many ways. But, it is clearly the same form. Different expressions of the same principles.
Comes from a pre-Chen FaKe lineage. From FaKe's father Chen YanXi students.
Cool. The first version of Lao Jia that I learned was Chen Quanzhong's. I've since switched to Chen Xiaowang's method, but that brought back some old memories. Thanks for sharing.
Old Master got a lot of “flava”!
ie. real martial flavor
This is a wonderful performance.
Chen Style done as softly as the Yang Large Frame.
This is the real deal!
Thank you for posting.
You should have a look at small frame Chen…
@@Livingtree32 I've seen several versions of Chen Tai-Chi on TH-cam, some good, and some not so good. I recorded a splendid version of Small Frame Chen at a competition in San Francisco also. My highest level teacher, Jan Yao, showed me some of the Small Frame Chen also, and it was very soft. After 40 years of lessons from 11 Instructors, of Judo, Aikido, Tai-Chi, Hsing-I, Pa-Kua, and Praying Mantis, I have settled on Hou Style Tai-Chi, and Wu Style Tai-Chi. At 73, I'm a bit up there in years to do the fancy stuff. Both of my main systems I learned from Master Yao. I always focused on my instructor's main (favorite) system.
@@TaiChiGhost Wow, you have some history with Taijiquan 😅 Kudos to you! What is Hou style? Hou Chunxiu Zhaobao style? And which of the two Wu styles is it? Keep it up, I hope I’ll still be practicing in your age!
@@Livingtree32 San Francisco is the place to live to learn about Chinese Culture. There are said to be 5 "main" systems of Tai-Chi: Chen, Yang, Wu (as in Wu Gan-Chien), Hao (originally called Wu Yu-Hsiang), and Sun. I do both Wu styles, they are not related. Sun Style looks a lot like Hao style because Sun Lu-Tang was a friend of Hao Wei-Tzin, Wu Yu-Hsiang knew Yang Lu-Chan, and was a big cheese in the Chinese government, so he went to Chen Village to learn Tai-Chi. He wasn't a Chen relative, but has a lot of authority, so he learned both Large Frame and Small Frame Chen Tai-Chi. Wu taught very few students, but he taught his cousin, Li Yeh-Yu. Li wrote a lot about Tai-Chi, but credited his cousin Wu as the author. Li taught his neighbor, Hao Wei-Tzin (who taught Sun Lu-Tang.) This Hao was the beginning of a short dynasty, and the reason this is now called Hao Style. Some people call it Wu/Hao. So Hao Wei-Tzin taught his son, Hao Yeh-ru, who taught his son, Hao Shao-Ru, who had no children. Hao Shao-Ru is in a few TH-cam videos. Hao Shao-Ru taught my teacher, Yao Pei-Jing (Jane Yao) who, sadly, is no longer with us. She and her husband, Albert Liu, got stranded here after Tienamen Square. There are a LOT of people who are claiming to be Hao Shao-Ru's Number One student ,,,
Jane Yao was a Chi-Kung Master before she started doing any kind of Martial Arts, having learned it from her grandmother. I was her senior student, although I started with her husband, Albert Liu, learning Pa-Kua-Tai-Chi. It's a very complicated system that is from Nanjing. I have found that real power is in the simple movements, not the fancy stuff. I also practice Wu Gan-Chien, which Master Yao learned from Wu Ying-Hua and her husband, Ma Yueh-Liang. I am not really very interested in teaching anymore, nobody wants to practice. This stuff takes 20 years of serious discipline to master, AND an honest teacher.
@@TaiChiGhost So it’s Hao, not Hou. Ok. Yeah, I know the history behind the styles, have been studying it for close to 20 years myself. Sun Lutang was not only a friend of Hao Weizhen, Hao Weizhen was his main Taijiquan teacher. But I think it still looks very different, since Taijiquan was not actually Sun‘s main art.
This is Uncle Chen or lineage head
Actually, it's wrong.
Yang style is the original Taiji Quan, with Chen family boxing as its ancestor/parent art.
Yang style boxing got its "Taiji Quan" name from a poem by Imperial Court scholar Weng Tonghe, after the latter saw Yang Luchan practicing. Before that, it had many names such as Chang Quan (Long Fist) or Mian Quan (Cotton Fist).
Chen style only adopted the name Taiji Quan after Yang style became popular. They would never have done that if Yang Luchan didn't become famous. Therefore, the Chen family tried to hijack Luchan's success and partially succeeded.
So, again, Yang style and Chen style might be similar to the non-initiated. But forms and philosophies are wildly different between the two styles. Chen is about Silk Reeling and power. Yang is about Song, emptiness, and selflessness. Making the two arts very different in the end.
So, again. Yang style is the original Taiji Quan because it is the first art to adopt that name. Taiji Quan is about Sing and emptiness.
Chen family boxing is the parent art but it is not the original Taiji Quan. It is similar but not the same.
I thought Chen was a hardstyle though
So small frame, xiaojia, came from laojia, uhhh NO! You have it back asswards
Sad to see Paochui practiced like this!
You mean it's sad someone has an idea of Cannon Fist different from yours?
this is so disrespectful and immodest...like your comment at Marin Spivack's video
What do you even mean by that? It's Da Jia (Xin Jia) Pao Chui and plenty of powered iron cannons AND wrapped in cotton - maybe not all the same places as other people, but other people put the fa where they want, too.