The first rule of Tone-wood is: you do not talk about the "Tone-wood". The second rule of Tone-wood is: you DO NOT talk about the "Tone-wood" !! Third rule of Tone-wood: someone yells "stop!", goes limp and taps out, the Tone-wood discussion is over. Fourth rule: only two guys to a Tone-wood discussion fight !
Rhett’s video was cringe … he makes assumptions about setup and didn’t lock his tone/volume controls etc … just another goofy attempt (reminds me of flat earthers)
Except we're not all in 'murica, and political parties are different in different countries. "Democrat" and "Republican" don't mean much outside the US, and usually it's not black and white. I agree about tRump though. Crazy shit. If y'all elect trump I'd seriously consider moving to a different planet.
@@TripBlindside yeah I realize there are many of you in the double digit side of the IQ curve. Maybe you need to double check the Constitution too since there was a certain amendment put in place to prevent more than 2 terms. Doubtful that will change, but here I am arguing with someone who clearly believes an orange con artist more than actual facts.
I’d be super embarrassed to be a Biden voter. You support endless wars, censorship, crippling inflation that hurt poor people the most. Fascist Lawfare. Mumbling incoherently through speeches and wandering off etc etc etc Your outrage is manufactured.
Does wood have an effect on your tone? Probably. But when it’s buried under high output pickups, power amp distortion, fuzz pedals, and modulation effects, does it really matter?
Hi thanks for the good work on everything! Cheers. Just wanted to leave a positive comment. ❤ Also that first refin is wild. 5k for that body? Makes no sense. Even 500 seems high lol. Edit: Hahaha I forgot I saw that community poll and voted on it.
That “1957” Strat body can’t be verified at that point. All the original lacquer and factory markings are gone. There’s too many fakes with the “correct” nail/dowel holes floating around to just take a guys word. “Trust me bro” ain’t gonna cut it.
Yes this is where you can be politely disrespected for your lame ass opinions and feelings with witty humor and still know you’re a valued part of the commenting community. We love you and your stupid bullshit. Lol
I want to see the 24 hour news channels debating tone wood. Like, somehow it gets into the national discourse and becomes a question in the presidential debate.
What about a community poll for Percentage of Impact for Tonewood, then have ranges (like 0%, 5-15%, 25-40%, 50-70%, and 100%). Could be an interesting way to see results by removing the binary answer options?
I really need to get one of those Meowdulators! I saw someone do a review on one and I loved it. Not sure if it would be very useful but a fun pedal to experiment with.
@@ralphhathaway-coley5460I used to restore and have seen many 50s bodies and necks. I have a few left myself. Look at the router marks, the dowels, the contours, the faded pin holes, At least 20 indications especially involving the cavities that I can tell it’s real no doubt. All the wood looks there. There is a possibility that it was acid washed before the refin or possibly lightly sanded or buffed.
i think a better gauge of the tone wood argument would be by age group. i think most younger people don't buy into it. I think whatever difference it does or doesn't make is neglible in electric instruments. I've yet to hear a difference in the tone that was beyond what can be tweaked in your eq stack on your amp. A guitar is the sum of it's parts, and there are far more influential parts on the tone than the wood.
The amount of people on the internet making numerous & various claims that [insert individual aspect of guitar, amp & pedal building] "doesn't matter" just says to me "nothing matters". And just like Everything Everywhere All at Once teaches when nothing matters everything matters. Also don't let anyone exploit your labour 60 Cycle Comrades.
The only thing I had against what Paul said was when he said "they think a rubber bridge and dead strings aren't going to change the sound" when no one was saying that, at all. I personally really enjoy a bunch of different guitars and basses and really like them all for being different and made of different things and having their own feel. Paul makes some very nice guitars but he also can come off as a complete ass, like when he started his rant with insults. So I can see people not wanting his stuff, he makes amazing guitars though. It is really cool that he is still the man behind the company and not just a corporation without a face, even if he can be polarizing.
I'm Liberal and I believe in Tonewood. I mean, I'm English, so it's a given that I'm already very far to the left of everyone in America. Tonewood is the only constant, it's what binds us. Well, that and binding, which I am against, on Fenders, but in favour of on Gibsons. Life is complicated.
The tonewood question is primed for an argument from the start because you have a question which carries subjective answers. There seems to be little/none verifiable, scientifically controlled data to find an objective truth. Therefore, we'll continue to have two sides to the argument until those truths exist. Where do I stand on it?... if you believes tonewood matters, then it matters. If you don't believe it matters, then it doesn't.
Canadian here, we do like mandolin, because all Canadians are identical 😉 I do have an Epiphone Mandobird, their solidbody mandolin They just reissued the 4 string one. 8 have the 8 string one It’s a lot of fun. But that is too much for a solidbody mandolin. But hey if you find one locally, check it out.
Every time I've seen Paul Reed Smith talk about tone wood, he's said it in conjunction with a story of taking violin makers to test woods. Of course tone wood matters in a violin, but I've never heard him specifically say it matters in solid body guitars.
Winged Ants... band name claiming that one... it's either that or The Flying Sea Monkeys (TFSM)... and Winged Ants is shorter... perhaps not sweeter... but... what am I talking about! Tone Wood, Tone Paint, Tone Parts... The real question is... who amongst you is TONE WOKE? Now that's what I want to know! 🤔😮😂😅😎🎸😝
The more hands that Strat body goes through, the less convincing the provenance. Without markings, from an unknown seller, I wouldn't value it more than it's intrinsic value as a player grade, so $3-400 tops. I love the colour though! When was it refinned? Way back it was just another Strat and the owner didn't like the look. Once rebuilt, I bet it didn't play or sound worse, so fine.
Paul has an opinion that he argues extremely poorly (violins? really?), does not produce concrete data from experimental results that would be easy for someone who owns a guitar company, and is financially motivated to fully brainwash his customers into buying magical wood at exorbitant markup. So is it any wonder that he rankles so many people? As good as his guitars may be, he's a snake oil salesman through and through. Remember, this is the guy who recently tried to convince people, "Well actually, plastic tuner heads are better."
In the context of a solid body acoustic or bass, I don't believe in tonewood, not because I'm left leaning, but because of tests that were run where with my eyes closed or looking down away from the screen, I couldn't hear the difference when everything else stayed the same. If there's a sound chamber, then I believe that the top wood is the biggest contributor to the change in tone when everything else stays the same. With any solid body that's plugged in, the biggest contributors are... 1. The speaker (with or without mics running to a PA with their own speakers on top) 2. The length of the cable and whether there's pedals within that length (the more length and/or amount of pedals drops off the amount of treble) 3. The position of the pickup along the scale length (closer to the bridge has more treble, closer to the nut has more bass) 4. The position where you pluck the strings (same effect) 5. The tuning you are running (E standard, Open G, half step down etc) For a semi hollow electric, I believe that top wood does make an effect, but a slight difference, the bigger difference is in the existence of a sound chamber which makes the overall tone a bit more airy in nature. Bigger difference when in the room and less difference when on a stage running through a PA, but would be retained if you have a mic set up at the guitar like an acoustic. That's my verdict and I think it's a fair assessment
Paul's reliance on apples to oranges analogies to make his arguments is upsetting ie: "A pick up is nothing but a microphone. I could put a microphone on Barbra Streisand and Michael Bublé and I wouldn't get the same sound. " he's saying that the tone wood is like the performer, the performer is clearly the guitarist. The way that he dismisses everyone who argues with him as dudes in their mom's basement sitting in their underwear is also not a very effective strategy, yet relating to people who are dialog with your discussion. it was also kind of hilarious when he brought out a bunch of Tonewood blanks, and smack them with a stick, claiming that the different sound that they made, when smacked with a stick equated to different tones when used to build a guitar. with all that said, it would be very easy for Paul to perform some AB test that would give him a slam dunk at least when it comes to fretboards wood. It's really easy to hear the difference there. And would prove his point very effectively. Dare I say, even more effectively than calling everyone who disagrees with him dudes in their underwear
Tonewood doesn't require belief because it exists: ask any luthier! But how much it affects electric guitars is debatable to the point that any material will effect the sound owing to resonance. Naysayers probably also believe in the flat earth. 😊
Even if someone refinished and restored that Strat body, all of the things that make a valuable collectible are gone. No provenance in terms of having been played or owned by someone famous, no date stamps, etc., to prove a specific manufacture date, and the contours have been changed during the original refin(s). At most, it could turn out to be a good player.
Conservatives tend to be older, and tonewood is an older debate. Nowadays, we have a lot of proof that tonewood doesnt rwlly effect electric guitar much. Different story for acoustics.
If wood age is so valuable, then the midwest has a lot of really old barns that are falling over which have beams that are just waiting to be milled into ‘priceless’ guitar bodies and necks.
I believe in tone wood. I also believe each piece of the same wood can have a slightly different sound despite being size and weight matched. I believe as well that old long grown wood will sound different from the same type of tone wood grown these days faster in a tree farm and each piece of those woods will have slight differences as well. Too many variables add up to say tone wood makes a difference but it does. I think tone wood is a liberal concept.
Tone nut, Tone Pickups, Tone Neck Design, Tone Bridge. Tone Control. Things that affect the string vibration profile. Hollow or chambered, could be any wood.
Paul Reed Smith didn't do himself any favors in that Chicago Music Exchange talk by misrepresenting what the other side of the tonewood debate is actually saying. Pretty much eliminated any benefit of the doubt or goodwill I was willing to spot him. Not that his claim of their new tuner buttons improving tone build much confidence in his opinion to begin with....
Paul is uniquely in the position to not just make his claims about tonewood, but actually prove them, and he won't do it. That's why he's as polarizing as he is compared to anyone else talking about it.
I ate some tonewood and had a dream! I ordered 2 Chinese knockoff Rickenbackers and 2 other knockoff guitars, one a kit and i built my two dream hybrid Frankenbackers with a few parts from the bin and another few hundred dollars.
I've made 2 custom bridges for my Bass VI, custom ground some stiff springs for a panorama to work on it, I do wood finishing and some wood working professionally, I am just about there but I have bought so much guitar stuff already. Firebird Bass VI-enbacker here I come! RickenTurner Model One-enbacker 12 String, maybe next year. Both Fireglo CB, which pieces of each would I use, I'll never tell... Actually if I get to do it they'll be quite different but the inspirations are there and I'll be able to pass on half of my guitars. I'm building my current VI as practice for most of it. I'll be better off with templates most likely.
Aaron at Warmoth has done some great videos comparing the tone of various neck and body wood. There are minor differences, but without hearing the tones back-to-back, I wouldn't be able to say i liked one better than another. So I believe wood affects tone, but I don't care very much. I'd much rather spend time choosing the right pickups.
Wood absolutely changes how an instrument sounds acoustically, and among acoustic instruments the wood is extremely important, but for amplified electric instruments it's not necessarily going to translate because magnetic pickups sense disturbances in their magnetic field caused by strings, so the only element wood can really influence is how a string vibrates in a way that's a step or two removed from the more direct elements of the chain (like player, strings, pickup, pickup height, electronics, etc.). In the amplified sound, I personally think that there will be bigger differences from changing strings, swapping pickups, changing pot values, adjusting the pickup height, playing harder or softer, etc. than different woods will have. Wood can absolutely change how an instrument feels to play, and that can change how one approaches an instrument, which will in turn affect the amplified sound, but that's not necessarily the wood imparting its toan onto the vibration of the strings.
@@goovialisticprofunks look at the edge of the neck pocket, not the depth. Just before it reaches the body you can see a slight curve. From the factory that line is straight. Also look at where the body rounds down to the neck pocket. It's too angled, the profile should be a quarter circle, but they sanded too much of the top down as well.
@@stevenpipes1555I see what you’re saying. All my bodies have different variations depending on the person who sanded it at the factory. For example the pickup cavities having uneven routings as stock as well as the neck pockets. I also think that who ever buffed it at the end didn’t do a great job where it looks uneven probably on an iPhone, but on my big HD screen it looks like a mere reflection.
@@goovialisticprofunks I looked specifically at that spot for the evidence of sanding because that's what I did on my first Strat re finish. When you look straight at the neck plate, from the back, you should see the edge of the neck plate, then the edge of the pocket, which should be flush with the edge of the neck heel. But on this one the neck heel is going to stick past the edge of the pocket just a little. It won't make a difference in playability, I still have my mistake Strat and it's perfectly fine, but on a vintage Strat that will be a deal breaker for most collectors. Especially at that premium price. And I guarantee that if you could sit and compare that to an un altered Strat body, you would find more discrepancies. I'd bet money that the belly cut is far too deep now as well.
@@60CycleHumcast this is exactly why I don't believe that the results of your poll actually reflect your watching/listening audience. People who might be generally left-leaning usually don't have a problem being identified as a "Liberal" and would not mind voting in a poll as such. It would not surprise me if every viewer had to interact with that poll and had to choose, it would probably be closer to 50/50 than 67/33.
I'm still new to guitar but.. first they told me that tone is in the fingers, then they said that you need a tube amp to get a proper tone, next it was you need to learn how to EQ to dial in the correct tone, then someone told me there were pedals to bend tones, now I'm learning about belief systems based on whether or not tone is in various woods. I'm not sure the guitar community, professional musicians, or the electrical engineers who make this equipment are all using the word "tone" the same way. If my life has taught me anything it's that equivocation is the quickest way to the longest arguments.
What the world needs now is more false left right, liberal conservative polarization 😂. Which is exactly why we watch guitar TH-cam videos. Ryan, underneath your feigned “nice guy” veneer and witty humor is an unkind person trying to offend and hurt people based on a provocative poll. You are doing exactly what you say you hate about other people.
It's so simple! When you tap on the body or neck you can hear it through the amp. This is because when the guitar vibrates it transfers some of that energy into the strings. Since every piece of wood on earth is unique, like a fingerprint, then naturally, OBVIOUSLY, each piece of wood is going to re transfer that energy in a slightly different way. Can you tell the difference between maple and mahogany blindfolded? Who cares, the fact is that you can hear subtle differences between guitars. And if your playing that guitar you can FEEL the differences between them greatly. And if you tell me that you've never picked up a guitar, solely because of the beautiful wood and finish, then you're a liar. Tonewood matters for many reasons, and the sound from the amp is the least important of all of them.
There really isnt a debate about a mahogany body sounding different from a basswood body. The question is of how audible that difference is. The answer is about 20-25 Jack White Units (JWU's)
For an electric guitar only the density and weight of the wood will make the sound darker or thinner. Like if the inside is chambered it will sound thinner. That's all. Acoustic guitars you do hear actual different tones.
Im a die hard conservative republican. Always have been. God and guns all the way, its just how I was raised. But my vote will go to TONEWOOD. Why? Because Im tired of the "Thats just how its always been" complacent defeatist attitude that has plagued our country for years. I love my beautiful country, but our government has become ugly, and our president, dangerous. I have a Union job operating heavy equipment that is used to build and restore powerlines. It pays very well and the insurance is amazing but I still struggle sometimes. Its hard for me to understand how someone less fortunate than myself could survive... The truth is many cant. That bothers me.
It's weird that you support a party that would love to burn your union to the ground, and created Right To Work laws to fuck with unions. Unions are a big part of the reason we have a middle class, or had one anyway.
Be a conservative or a liberal, but either way, work hard for things you want without expecting someone to give it to you...be a decent human...dont play the victim or the race card...dont whine about oppression when we live easier lives than literally any other humans in history have before us....contribute to society in a positive way and follow the law...following the bible works pretty good too if youre interested...if not thats fine too...just be cool to one another and respect your community and your country and everything else will work out 🤘💀🤘
I agree with you, mostly: I would only recommend that folks skip the Old Testament and go straight to the Jesus section. Oh, yeah, the 10 commandments are a must-read, too. Too many self-professed "Christians", especially the Evangelicals, seem to embrace the violence (for lack of a better word) in the Old Testament, rather than the "love thy neighbor" preaching in the New Testament. Enjoy the rest of your day!
Please don't mix music up with politics. I think the only ones that do that have already made it big in the music world so then they go political and alienate a lot of people.i know this is just for fun im sure.lol
I wish Ryan would Google which party is supported by millionaires and billionaires. (It's the democrats). I also wish he knew that leftist policy hurts the lower and middle class.
No party caters to or is supported by billionaires and multi conglomerates more than republicans. Nobody passes or proposes more laws and policies that hurt the general populace and even kill their own voters while helping exclusively billionaires and multi conglomerates than republicans. These are actually facts that can be checked and “alternative facts” are actually lies.
I'm a full on Trump guy. I love your show 🤙 I vote for whomever follows closest to the constitution. Take your political views to a new level. Read the constitution. You don't have to be a lawyer. It's the size of a brochure. You may need a dictionary. Rock on 🎸👍🇺🇸
@@60CycleHumcast 100%. As Americans, we're governed by consent. We also have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. God is used as tool, not a religion, the power that grants your rights. Donald Trump or Joe Biden don't give you your rights. Don't worry. I like clean air and water too. But if a naked maniac kicks my front door in with a knife in his hand... If a government can rolls into my neighborhood rounding up gay people for camp, I don't think so... Gun violence makes me sick too though. It's not possible to perfect human nature. People are easy to kill. People will always kill each other. Guns are not required. I choose gun rights because a gun is like a kill switch on a motorcycle. Blindsided by the unexpected, I don't have time for trouble shooting... Criminals always have the advantage of surprise. ✌️🇺🇸Peace n Freedom
@@60CycleHumcast Also, I would totally agree that a racists person would support Trump. But that doesn't mean Trump supporters are racist. You don't really believe that do you? Be nice. 🌊
Joe Rogan is the original, the best, and by far the most popular podcaster in the world. You should try listening. Most people dismiss him because of stupid identity politics. Don't listen if you don't want to but stop hating.
Joe Rogan is the epitome of "just asking the questions", and while he may not believe in the things his guests (like Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, etc.) say he gives them a platform to spout their pseudoscientific and reactionary beliefs. Being legit friends with Elon Musk is also a huge fucking red flag. Podcasts existed for almost a decade before he got in the game, so he's hardly the "original" podcaster.
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Leo Fender: we need the cheapest wood possible, these things are so expensive to make
People in 2024: bro, those early Fenders have the best tonewood
If tonewood had a measurable effect then why can't anyone really measure it? Think about them apples
The first rule of Tone-wood is: you do not talk about the "Tone-wood".
The second rule of Tone-wood is: you DO NOT talk about the "Tone-wood" !!
Third rule of Tone-wood: someone yells "stop!", goes limp and taps out, the Tone-wood discussion is over.
Fourth rule: only two guys to a Tone-wood discussion fight !
KDH has a good video on Paul's argument for Tone-woods, what Paul says honestly doesn't make sense in the video
Rhett’s video was cringe … he makes assumptions about setup and didn’t lock his tone/volume controls etc … just another goofy attempt (reminds me of flat earthers)
Kind of true of a lot of his videos 👀
🤣🤣🤣
Agreed I expected a bit more effort from that one
Insane that NO ONE gets a spectrograph on the screen.
Can you guys do more political quizzes to weed out the trumpers
Except we're not all in 'murica, and political parties are different in different countries. "Democrat" and "Republican" don't mean much outside the US, and usually it's not black and white. I agree about tRump though. Crazy shit. If y'all elect trump I'd seriously consider moving to a different planet.
You're gonna see how many of us there are when Trump wins... again...for the third time. Three termer baby.
@@TripBlindside yeah I realize there are many of you in the double digit side of the IQ curve. Maybe you need to double check the Constitution too since there was a certain amendment put in place to prevent more than 2 terms. Doubtful that will change, but here I am arguing with someone who clearly believes an orange con artist more than actual facts.
I’d be super embarrassed to be a Biden voter. You support endless wars, censorship, crippling inflation that hurt poor people the most. Fascist Lawfare. Mumbling incoherently through speeches and wandering off etc etc etc
Your outrage is manufactured.
My post mentioning Joe Biden‘s endless wars, crippling inflation, CENSORSHIP and fascist warfare was deleted. Makes sense!
Does wood have an effect on your tone? Probably. But when it’s buried under high output pickups, power amp distortion, fuzz pedals, and modulation effects, does it really matter?
I didn't tune in to hear about Steve giving blood in so much detail!!!!! I about got sick....
LOL yeah I had to skip that part. It is not for the hemophobes out there!
Hi thanks for the good work on everything! Cheers. Just wanted to leave a positive comment. ❤
Also that first refin is wild. 5k for that body? Makes no sense. Even 500 seems high lol.
Edit: Hahaha I forgot I saw that community poll and voted on it.
That “1957” Strat body can’t be verified at that point. All the original lacquer and factory markings are gone. There’s too many fakes with the “correct” nail/dowel holes floating around to just take a guys word.
“Trust me bro” ain’t gonna cut it.
I like guitars and guitar accessories. 👍
I watched this and did not get butthurt. Anyone else?
this comments section is about to get wild lol.
Yes this is where you can be politely disrespected for your lame ass opinions and feelings with witty humor and still know you’re a valued part of the commenting community. We love you and your stupid bullshit. Lol
@@60CycleHumcast I luv it
My butt always hurts, but that's not their fault.
I'm just a little butthurt that Snarky's submission didn't win. 😢
West coast liberal here, aluminum is the best tone wood.
The best tone wood is the most expensive tone wood. Here, please take my money 💰 💰 💰
I want to see the 24 hour news channels debating tone wood. Like, somehow it gets into the national discourse and becomes a question in the presidential debate.
Fender lap steels used to go for $300-$500 on Ebay until everyone realized they had $4,000 worth of Broadcaster/ Nocaster parts.
(just a small hint: the 2 mics are phasing, because of the crosstalk. maybe placement / direction can help dunno)
I thought I was hearing that but wasn't sure. Was watching on TV instead of having headphones in where I can usually hear it immediately.
love the candidness of this podcast. ya'll are great!
What about a community poll for Percentage of Impact for Tonewood, then have ranges (like 0%, 5-15%, 25-40%, 50-70%, and 100%). Could be an interesting way to see results by removing the binary answer options?
I really need to get one of those Meowdulators! I saw someone do a review on one and I loved it. Not sure if it would be very useful but a fun pedal to experiment with.
The red Strat body is not worth it for a restoration because it’s date can’t be verified it’s basically worth about $60 bucks
Yep. My gut tells me it's a fake, but even if it is real, you need to be able to document it or it's virtually worthless.
Dates can be forged. I’ve seen em. This is definitely real.
@@goovialisticprofunks Why do you think it is defo real?
Asking a genuine question as I do not know, but would be interested to learn.
@@ralphhathaway-coley5460I used to restore and have seen many 50s bodies and necks. I have a few left myself. Look at the router marks, the dowels, the contours, the faded pin holes,
At least 20 indications especially involving the cavities that I can tell it’s real no doubt.
All the wood looks there. There is a possibility that it was acid washed before the refin or possibly lightly sanded or buffed.
I didn't expect 60 Cycle Socialism but I am all for it lmao
i think a better gauge of the tone wood argument would be by age group. i think most younger people don't buy into it. I think whatever difference it does or doesn't make is neglible in electric instruments. I've yet to hear a difference in the tone that was beyond what can be tweaked in your eq stack on your amp. A guitar is the sum of it's parts, and there are far more influential parts on the tone than the wood.
The amount of people on the internet making numerous & various claims that [insert individual aspect of guitar, amp & pedal building] "doesn't matter" just says to me "nothing matters". And just like Everything Everywhere All at Once teaches when nothing matters everything matters.
Also don't let anyone exploit your labour 60 Cycle Comrades.
Seize the means of video production!
I identify as a preservative who believes in wonetood
The only thing I had against what Paul said was when he said "they think a rubber bridge and dead strings aren't going to change the sound" when no one was saying that, at all. I personally really enjoy a bunch of different guitars and basses and really like them all for being different and made of different things and having their own feel. Paul makes some very nice guitars but he also can come off as a complete ass, like when he started his rant with insults. So I can see people not wanting his stuff, he makes amazing guitars though. It is really cool that he is still the man behind the company and not just a corporation without a face, even if he can be polarizing.
Heal the divide... stop the madness, tonewood believes in all of us
I'm Liberal and I believe in Tonewood.
I mean, I'm English, so it's a given that I'm already very far to the left of everyone in America.
Tonewood is the only constant, it's what binds us. Well, that and binding, which I am against, on Fenders, but in favour of on Gibsons.
Life is complicated.
angry Ryan show is best show
This is obviously a 1950s Strat body with some traces of the sunburst. Can’t beat that tone wood y’all.
The tonewood question is primed for an argument from the start because you have a question which carries subjective answers. There seems to be little/none verifiable, scientifically controlled data to find an objective truth. Therefore, we'll continue to have two sides to the argument until those truths exist.
Where do I stand on it?... if you believes tonewood matters, then it matters. If you don't believe it matters, then it doesn't.
This whole date thing is bull$hit, a 57 fender body and a Glarry body ,if same wood will sound similar!!!!!!!
Canadian here, we do like mandolin, because all Canadians are identical
😉
I do have an Epiphone Mandobird, their solidbody mandolin
They just reissued the 4 string one.
8 have the 8 string one
It’s a lot of fun.
But that is too much for a solidbody mandolin.
But hey if you find one locally, check it out.
Every time I've seen Paul Reed Smith talk about tone wood, he's said it in conjunction with a story of taking violin makers to test woods. Of course tone wood matters in a violin, but I've never heard him specifically say it matters in solid body guitars.
60 cycle Jesus is my new religion
Did you spin the wheel of internet/podcasting religious icons to decide?
Wait, this is supposed to be a show?
Ryan keeps tiptoeing closer and closer to outright saying workers of the world unite. Come on comrade, let’s hear it!
Winged Ants... band name claiming that one... it's either that or The Flying Sea Monkeys (TFSM)... and Winged Ants is shorter... perhaps not sweeter... but... what am I talking about! Tone Wood, Tone Paint, Tone Parts... The real question is... who amongst you is TONE WOKE? Now that's what I want to know! 🤔😮😂😅😎🎸😝
The more hands that Strat body goes through, the less convincing the provenance. Without markings, from an unknown seller, I wouldn't value it more than it's intrinsic value as a player grade, so $3-400 tops. I love the colour though! When was it refinned? Way back it was just another Strat and the owner didn't like the look. Once rebuilt, I bet it didn't play or sound worse, so fine.
I wouldn't have paid $5k for this body even if it had the original finish.
Paul has an opinion that he argues extremely poorly (violins? really?), does not produce concrete data from experimental results that would be easy for someone who owns a guitar company, and is financially motivated to fully brainwash his customers into buying magical wood at exorbitant markup.
So is it any wonder that he rankles so many people? As good as his guitars may be, he's a snake oil salesman through and through. Remember, this is the guy who recently tried to convince people, "Well actually, plastic tuner heads are better."
In the context of a solid body acoustic or bass, I don't believe in tonewood, not because I'm left leaning, but because of tests that were run where with my eyes closed or looking down away from the screen, I couldn't hear the difference when everything else stayed the same.
If there's a sound chamber, then I believe that the top wood is the biggest contributor to the change in tone when everything else stays the same.
With any solid body that's plugged in, the biggest contributors are...
1. The speaker (with or without mics running to a PA with their own speakers on top)
2. The length of the cable and whether there's pedals within that length (the more length and/or amount of pedals drops off the amount of treble)
3. The position of the pickup along the scale length (closer to the bridge has more treble, closer to the nut has more bass)
4. The position where you pluck the strings (same effect)
5. The tuning you are running (E standard, Open G, half step down etc)
For a semi hollow electric, I believe that top wood does make an effect, but a slight difference, the bigger difference is in the existence of a sound chamber which makes the overall tone a bit more airy in nature. Bigger difference when in the room and less difference when on a stage running through a PA, but would be retained if you have a mic set up at the guitar like an acoustic.
That's my verdict and I think it's a fair assessment
Paul's reliance on apples to oranges analogies to make his arguments is upsetting ie:
"A pick up is nothing but a microphone. I could put a microphone on Barbra Streisand and Michael Bublé and I wouldn't get the same sound. "
he's saying that the tone wood is like the performer, the performer is clearly the guitarist.
The way that he dismisses everyone who argues with him as dudes in their mom's basement sitting in their underwear is also not a very effective strategy, yet relating to people who are dialog with your discussion.
it was also kind of hilarious when he brought out a bunch of Tonewood blanks, and smack them with a stick, claiming that the different sound that they made, when smacked with a stick equated to different tones when used to build a guitar.
with all that said, it would be very easy for Paul to perform some AB test that would give him a slam dunk at least when it comes to fretboards wood. It's really easy to hear the difference there. And would prove his point very effectively. Dare I say, even more effectively than calling everyone who disagrees with him dudes in their underwear
Tonewood doesn't require belief because it exists: ask any luthier! But how much it affects electric guitars is debatable to the point that any material will effect the sound owing to resonance. Naysayers probably also believe in the flat earth. 😊
Even if someone refinished and restored that Strat body, all of the things that make a valuable collectible are gone. No provenance in terms of having been played or owned by someone famous, no date stamps, etc., to prove a specific manufacture date, and the contours have been changed during the original refin(s). At most, it could turn out to be a good player.
Conservatives tend to be older, and tonewood is an older debate. Nowadays, we have a lot of proof that tonewood doesnt rwlly effect electric guitar much. Different story for acoustics.
The ASHTON is real! I have one i converted to a baritone. Never seen one outside of Australia
If wood age is so valuable, then the midwest has a lot of really old barns that are falling over which have beams that are just waiting to be milled into ‘priceless’ guitar bodies and necks.
I believe in tone wood. I also believe each piece of the same wood can have a slightly different sound despite being size and weight matched. I believe as well that old long grown wood will sound different from the same type of tone wood grown these days faster in a tree farm and each piece of those woods will have slight differences as well. Too many variables add up to say tone wood makes a difference but it does. I think tone wood is a liberal concept.
Flying ants? Hopefully not termites
Believing in the red team vs blue team nonsense is almost as lame as the same tired riffs that Ryan plays in every demo
lol JMP is for squares
Tone Wood/Bone Nut 2024! 🇺🇸
Ryan/Steve 2024! 😂
King Missile reference
Personally i think tonewood only matters to acoustics. Electrics in my mind the sound truly comes from the amp and electronics in the guitar.
Glenn Fricker would scream that TONE IS IN THE SPEAKERS!!! 😂
@JaneSechny Glenn is so lucky he gets to live rent-free in so many people's heads. It must be mighty helpful in this economy.
@@JacubWhite38I know, right? It's getting very loud and crowded in my head already! 😮
Good show. 👍
Tone nut, Tone Pickups, Tone Neck Design, Tone Bridge. Tone Control. Things that affect the string vibration profile. Hollow or chambered, could be any wood.
Paul Reed Smith didn't do himself any favors in that Chicago Music Exchange talk by misrepresenting what the other side of the tonewood debate is actually saying. Pretty much eliminated any benefit of the doubt or goodwill I was willing to spot him. Not that his claim of their new tuner buttons improving tone build much confidence in his opinion to begin with....
It’s not that I don’t believe in tonewood…
I just hate Paul Reed Smith
Also, workers of the world unite
Paul is uniquely in the position to not just make his claims about tonewood, but actually prove them, and he won't do it. That's why he's as polarizing as he is compared to anyone else talking about it.
7:28 At this point, you're paying 5k for split wood. That is no longer a 56 Strat.....not enough there for 5k, no way
I ate some tonewood and had a dream! I ordered 2 Chinese knockoff Rickenbackers and 2 other knockoff guitars, one a kit and i built my two dream hybrid Frankenbackers with a few parts from the bin and another few hundred dollars.
Ever since I can't stop thinking about it. I might have to.
I've made 2 custom bridges for my Bass VI, custom ground some stiff springs for a panorama to work on it, I do wood finishing and some wood working professionally, I am just about there but I have bought so much guitar stuff already. Firebird Bass VI-enbacker here I come! RickenTurner Model One-enbacker 12 String, maybe next year. Both Fireglo CB, which pieces of each would I use, I'll never tell... Actually if I get to do it they'll be quite different but the inspirations are there and I'll be able to pass on half of my guitars. I'm building my current VI as practice for most of it. I'll be better off with templates most likely.
My complete 1956 Strat refin only cost $5500 back when I bought it. Other than the body refin and a refret, it's all original.
36:20 king missile cover band joke 😂 bravo, very 60cycle indeed👏
If the strat has a loose neck pocket and you test different necks for tonewood, is it "sloppy swapable wood"?
You need to add age to the poll. That would be the great divide.
Terabyte is 1028 Gigabytes. Used to be big.
Batteries/Mogami Cables 2024! 🇺🇸
PRS as a company was started in 1985
Aaron at Warmoth has done some great videos comparing the tone of various neck and body wood. There are minor differences, but without hearing the tones back-to-back, I wouldn't be able to say i liked one better than another. So I believe wood affects tone, but I don't care very much. I'd much rather spend time choosing the right pickups.
Wood absolutely changes how an instrument sounds acoustically, and among acoustic instruments the wood is extremely important, but for amplified electric instruments it's not necessarily going to translate because magnetic pickups sense disturbances in their magnetic field caused by strings, so the only element wood can really influence is how a string vibrates in a way that's a step or two removed from the more direct elements of the chain (like player, strings, pickup, pickup height, electronics, etc.). In the amplified sound, I personally think that there will be bigger differences from changing strings, swapping pickups, changing pot values, adjusting the pickup height, playing harder or softer, etc. than different woods will have. Wood can absolutely change how an instrument feels to play, and that can change how one approaches an instrument, which will in turn affect the amplified sound, but that's not necessarily the wood imparting its toan onto the vibration of the strings.
Brass Saddles/Hot Pots 2024! 🇺🇸
Just a question. If the wood ,being non conductive, affects your tone on an electric guitar, wouldn't that make your pickups microphonic??
Steve has not seen From Dusk Til Dawn??? Are you kidding? Two words for you, Steve: Salma Hayek!
I’m familiar with the film. Just never watched it - steve
@@60CycleHumcastAll good Steve!
Best of luck to you guys.
Lets talk politics....
Trump sucks, and Biden sucks
Vampires and pornstars suck.
The tone wood is a lie
On that red Strat body, the neck pocket was sanded too far on the treble side. The neck heel is going to stick out past the pocket.
Looks pretty even to me on my big screen.
@@goovialisticprofunks look at the edge of the neck pocket, not the depth. Just before it reaches the body you can see a slight curve. From the factory that line is straight. Also look at where the body rounds down to the neck pocket. It's too angled, the profile should be a quarter circle, but they sanded too much of the top down as well.
@@stevenpipes1555I see what you’re saying. All my bodies have different variations depending on the person who sanded it at the factory. For example the pickup cavities having uneven routings as stock as well as the neck pockets. I also think that who ever buffed it at the end didn’t do a great job where it looks uneven probably on an iPhone, but on my big HD screen it looks like a mere reflection.
@@goovialisticprofunks I looked specifically at that spot for the evidence of sanding because that's what I did on my first Strat re finish. When you look straight at the neck plate, from the back, you should see the edge of the neck plate, then the edge of the pocket, which should be flush with the edge of the neck heel. But on this one the neck heel is going to stick past the edge of the pocket just a little. It won't make a difference in playability, I still have my mistake Strat and it's perfectly fine, but on a vintage Strat that will be a deal breaker for most collectors. Especially at that premium price. And I guarantee that if you could sit and compare that to an un altered Strat body, you would find more discrepancies. I'd bet money that the belly cut is far too deep now as well.
vote for the worm if rfk head 024
Only if the Worm picks the fly on Pence's hair as VP.
What are you gonna do with the manikan? lol....
im already doing it
@@60CycleHumcast I saw one show with it in the background and was very creepy.
At night it whispers sweet curses in his ear.
@@60CycleHumcast 😮 You can't type that! What if your wife reads it?
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What about libertarians that believe in tone wood, but aren’t all hung up about it?
Be honest with yourself. You’re just a different type of conservative.
They get to start up their own tonewood practice using different tonewood standards. 😉
They're too busy trying to do away with age of consent laws to get involved in the tone wood debate.
@@60CycleHumcast this is exactly why I don't believe that the results of your poll actually reflect your watching/listening audience. People who might be generally left-leaning usually don't have a problem being identified as a "Liberal" and would not mind voting in a poll as such.
It would not surprise me if every viewer had to interact with that poll and had to choose, it would probably be closer to 50/50 than 67/33.
@@300Foxes I think you are taking this too seriously.
I'm still new to guitar but.. first they told me that tone is in the fingers, then they said that you need a tube amp to get a proper tone, next it was you need to learn how to EQ to dial in the correct tone, then someone told me there were pedals to bend tones, now I'm learning about belief systems based on whether or not tone is in various woods. I'm not sure the guitar community, professional musicians, or the electrical engineers who make this equipment are all using the word "tone" the same way. If my life has taught me anything it's that equivocation is the quickest way to the longest arguments.
Sounds like you’ve got a healthy bullshit meter. There are differences in all types of gear. But it’s all subjective. Play what you like and have fun.
What the world needs now is more false left right, liberal conservative polarization 😂. Which is exactly why we watch guitar TH-cam videos.
Ryan, underneath your feigned “nice guy” veneer and witty humor is an unkind person trying to offend and hurt people based on a provocative poll. You are doing exactly what you say you hate about other people.
What do I say I hate about other people?
@@60CycleHumcast You clearly hate conservatives. Your channel sucks and this video was the last straw for me.
It's so simple! When you tap on the body or neck you can hear it through the amp. This is because when the guitar vibrates it transfers some of that energy into the strings. Since every piece of wood on earth is unique, like a fingerprint, then naturally, OBVIOUSLY, each piece of wood is going to re transfer that energy in a slightly different way. Can you tell the difference between maple and mahogany blindfolded? Who cares, the fact is that you can hear subtle differences between guitars. And if your playing that guitar you can FEEL the differences between them greatly. And if you tell me that you've never picked up a guitar, solely because of the beautiful wood and finish, then you're a liar. Tonewood matters for many reasons, and the sound from the amp is the least important of all of them.
There really isnt a debate about a mahogany body sounding different from a basswood body. The question is of how audible that difference is. The answer is about 20-25 Jack White Units (JWU's)
Not making your political affiliation known on a guitar site is wise. Chalk up the missing tally to that.
For an electric guitar only the density and weight of the wood will make the sound darker or thinner. Like if the inside is chambered it will sound thinner. That's all. Acoustic guitars you do hear actual different tones.
Density is not a tone determining factor. Lead makes a horrible body. Mercury even worse
Im a die hard conservative republican. Always have been. God and guns all the way, its just how I was raised. But my vote will go to TONEWOOD. Why? Because Im tired of the "Thats just how its always been" complacent defeatist attitude that has plagued our country for years. I love my beautiful country, but our government has become ugly, and our president, dangerous. I have a Union job operating heavy equipment that is used to build and restore powerlines. It pays very well and the insurance is amazing but I still struggle sometimes. Its hard for me to understand how someone less fortunate than myself could survive... The truth is many cant. That bothers me.
It's weird that you support a party that would love to burn your union to the ground, and created Right To Work laws to fuck with unions. Unions are a big part of the reason we have a middle class, or had one anyway.
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Be a conservative or a liberal, but either way, work hard for things you want without expecting someone to give it to you...be a decent human...dont play the victim or the race card...dont whine about oppression when we live easier lives than literally any other humans in history have before us....contribute to society in a positive way and follow the law...following the bible works pretty good too if youre interested...if not thats fine too...just be cool to one another and respect your community and your country and everything else will work out
🤘💀🤘
I agree with you, mostly: I would only recommend that folks skip the Old Testament and go straight to the Jesus section. Oh, yeah, the 10 commandments are a must-read, too. Too many self-professed "Christians", especially the Evangelicals, seem to embrace the violence (for lack of a better word) in the Old Testament, rather than the "love thy neighbor" preaching in the New Testament.
Enjoy the rest of your day!
@@JaneSechny 🙏🙏😊
Please don't mix music up with politics. I think the only ones that do that have already made it big in the music world so then they go political and alienate a lot of people.i know this is just for fun im sure.lol
Conservative Tonewood believers unite!
I wish Ryan would Google which party is supported by millionaires and billionaires. (It's the democrats). I also wish he knew that leftist policy hurts the lower and middle class.
we don't have a leftist party.
@60CycleHumcast when I say leftist, I am specifically referring to the policies that the elected democrats put into place.
Right, because you don’t know what leftists are.
No party caters to or is supported by billionaires and multi conglomerates more than republicans. Nobody passes or proposes more laws and policies that hurt the general populace and even kill their own voters while helping exclusively billionaires and multi conglomerates than republicans. These are actually facts that can be checked and “alternative facts” are actually lies.
@@60CycleHumcastif it looks like a leftist, talks like a leftist, and acts like a leftist. Well jeez who know what they could be? 🙄
That was disappointing. I watch channels like yours to get away from politics of the day.
You will survive.
It's a rarity. Usually it's Ryan making weird noises with pedals, LOL. 😂
I'm a full on Trump guy. I love your show 🤙 I vote for whomever follows closest to the constitution. Take your political views to a new level. Read the constitution. You don't have to be a lawyer. It's the size of a brochure. You may need a dictionary.
Rock on 🎸👍🇺🇸
You know there's more to the constitution than just the 2nd amendment right?
Which country's constitution does Trump follow?
Trump asked if he could just throw it out, so your argument doesn’t hold up on that alone.
@@60CycleHumcast 100%. As Americans, we're governed by consent.
We also have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. God is used as tool, not a religion, the power that grants your rights. Donald Trump or Joe Biden don't give you your rights.
Don't worry. I like clean air and water too. But if a naked maniac kicks my front door in with a knife in his hand... If a government can rolls into my neighborhood rounding up gay people for camp, I don't think so...
Gun violence makes me sick too though. It's not possible to perfect human nature. People are easy to kill. People will always kill each other. Guns are not required. I choose gun rights because a gun is like a kill switch on a motorcycle. Blindsided by the unexpected, I don't have time for trouble shooting... Criminals always have the advantage of surprise.
✌️🇺🇸Peace n Freedom
@@60CycleHumcast Also, I would totally agree that a racists person would support Trump. But that doesn't mean Trump supporters are racist. You don't really believe that do you? Be nice. 🌊
Joe Rogan is the original, the best, and by far the most popular podcaster in the world. You should try listening. Most people dismiss him because of stupid identity politics. Don't listen if you don't want to but stop hating.
Joe Rogan is the epitome of "just asking the questions", and while he may not believe in the things his guests (like Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, etc.) say he gives them a platform to spout their pseudoscientific and reactionary beliefs. Being legit friends with Elon Musk is also a huge fucking red flag.
Podcasts existed for almost a decade before he got in the game, so he's hardly the "original" podcaster.
@@ryanpetriello3461 You are lost. Sorry to hear it.
thanks for checking in Joe
@@60CycleHumcast😂
Who is "joe Rogan" ? Sorry to tell you, but the entire world does not know him , nor does the world revolve around his "podcast". lol
HEY kislux I have been watching you for years and im so proud of where you have made it! I love you so much! Also thanks for making my day