Actually Grom is no longer produced. Instead since 2019 is manufactured more advanced Piorun, purchased also by USA since they considered it better than Stinger.
Probably the best one is right now a PIORUN, sucessor of GROM. You can compare a lot of data, but PIORUN has super advance IR guidance system - it recognizing several infrared sources and hitting right one, insted of f.ex. flares. Other ones might be faster or better flight attlitude but PIORUN has best probability of kill what is the most important. It is also very easy to use, its light and portable. This is why US ordered them to refill the gap after Stingers.
Pioruns are the best because of the effective altitude. Not many mentions it but stingers are effective on altitudes over 180m Piorun just above 10m Not mentioning max alt For stinger it is 3500 For piorun 4000 Ty ;)
More so than capabilities what about the soft aspects of the launcher system. How finicky are the missiles to handle? How long does the sensor coolant last when used to cool the sensors on the warhead? What is the shelf life of the coolant? How easy is it to transport? How delicate is the system? How quickly can a operator be trained on the unit? How quickly can the weapon be brought to bear once an aerial threat is detected? How long does the weapon take to set up? How long does it take to pack the system up for transport after firing? How long does it take to acquire a target? These "small" details can have an extremely large impact of how successful this system is if not more so than the capabilites of it's warhead and sensors. That said, it must be a pretty good system for the US to order them. But do keep in mind the "soft" factors matter every bit as much as the "hard" factors.
How could you forget about PIORUN, currently the best manpad in the world? It's a modified Grom with 3 different modes of fire: drone, plane, missle. It's better than stinger - info confirmed by US Military, they're buying tons of PIORUNs from Poland.
I'm sure Poland has good reason to be proud of Piorun...but... The US are not buying Piorun for US use...they've purchased a small number for assessment thats it. It's not going to be used by the US military...its not a programme of record...
@@dogsnads5634 As always, you cannot trust journalists even on the portal focused just on NATO and post-soviet military xD They hyped up shit out of a lot of people (that polish website). Well I was happy because a big order from the US would mean a lot for the company that produces Piorun in Poland. You know, a lot of growth in the region when the factory is placed. For now Piorun is build just for Poland and a couple of smaller countries arround. Well, thank's for the info mate!
What a poor knowledge! Everyone know that the best in the world actual in use MANPAD is next generation of Grom -> Piorun from Poland. It is better that Stingers and Verba. Even US Army confirmed that fact and they have ordered a huge number of Pioruns from Polish producer Mesko. Ukrainian solders also confirmed that the Piorun MANPAD has the best reliability, effectiveness and accuracy (e.g. very good night using, can hit the targets even flying 10m above the ground, advance multi head missile, protection against enemy using etc.) In near future will be next generation of Piorun MANPADS (upgrade of missile head, better manoeuvrability, bigger range etc.) but Poland probably will not "transfer" all this technology abroad to avoid enemy capture...
PIORUN tylko wygląda jak GROM. To kompletnie nowa konstrukcja inne przyrządy celownicze, inna rakieta, inne parametry, odporność na zakłócanie itd... LIGHTNING just looks like GROM. To complete a new design, other sights, different rocket, different parameters, noise immunity, etc.
This list is a joke the Saab and star streak are obviously in a different league faster longer ranged and in every way more effective they completely gloss over the star streak's three/four independent armour penetrating sub munitions causing damage over a wider area even on armoured targets and while I don't know as much about the Saab system its clearly very advanced but looks a lot less portable needing that large stand and other equipment hooked up to it.
Exactly, three explosive tungsten darts, each of which is impervious to most types of countermeasures which is why the Starstreak has such a good economy when it comes to kills per missile fired.
You forgot - Poland sent to Ukraine "Piorun" MANPADS , which entered service in 2019, 1,82kg warhead, 10,5kg missile, 6km range, 4km alt. Can mount optics like NV. US bought some of those too.
I wonder why the US would buy them. Compared to current Stinger models it's range is 25% shorter, and it doesn't have a proximity fuze warhead variant for use against small drones.
@@ΠαζαρακιαΣιτι maybe when it first came out vs legacy Stingers, but Stingers have just been recently upgraded so those things should be pretty even now. I'd bet the Polish system is a lot cheaper though, cheap and highly effective.
Weirdly Stingers first operational use was in 1982, in the Falklands War. 6 missiles went South with the SAS and wa used to shoot down an Argentine Air Force Pucara and a Puma helicopter. The manuals and single person who had been trained to use it had all been lost in a SeaKing crash. The guy who fired it was pretty much making it up as he went along...he'd never been trained on it...The funniest thing was that he was posted shortly after the war to the US to be trained on Stinger, when the US trainer began to tell the assembled US and UK personnel about the then very new missile and asked them all if they knew anything about it...the SAS guy had to break it to him that he'd already shot something down with it...
@@silaskuemmerle2505 Err...no. Stinger was first fired from the shoulder in 1975 and took a while to arrive in service in 1980. The unrelated Redeye missile arrived in service in 1967...
Sungur Manpad (Turkiye) Range 8km Altitude of fire 4km IIR-Imaging Infrared Imager Infrared Guidance (IIR) system The main difference from IR guided is that IR guidance system is focused on heat, emitting direct heat, while IIR Guidance system is focused on the entire target. For example, when an IR-guided missile is launched, it emits a lot of heat, that is, when the engine is turned on, the IIR guidance system locks on the entire flight image of the target, thanks to its imager. In this case, it becomes very difficult to deceive the IIR system compared to the IR guidance system. SUNGUR, with its 8 kilometer range and Imaging Infrared (IIR) Seeker step separation details, is described as the fourth generation MANPADS due to its superior features.
Stinger is fairly old, even the RMP version. Instead of upgrading to the planned Stinger BlkII which used the AIM-9X IR focal plane array, the US military cancelled it and bought Pioruns instead later, which has better specs than Stinger RMP. If this video had included Piorun it likely would have been #1, and it is much newer. The US military did, however, make a ground-to-air AIM-9X version which outranges, outmaneuvers, better CCM, and faster than any manpad made (too large for manpad, of course).
@@landofpc gościu, widzę, że jedyne co chciałeś osiągnąć swoim komentarzem to zadrwić z Polaków. Filmik jest świeży i powstał po tym jak Piorun został zamowiony przez USA. Po co im system z gorszymi lub porównywalnymi osiągami? Wiesz jak wybredne są stany Zjednoczone w kontekście uzbrojenia? Tam się nie zamawia sprzętu spoza ich kraju ot tak. Taki sprzęt MUSI być lepszy od tego co sami mają. Poszukaj z resztą jakie możliwości ma Stinger a jakie Piorun. Więc tak... ludzie, którzy o tym wiedzą, po prostu mówią, że autorzy mają trochę nieaktualne dane.
@@landofpc ty myślisz, że mogą ot tak sobie coś skopiować bez licencji? 😆 przestań szukać spisku chłopie i trochę wiary w polską myśl techniczną! Skąd się biorą takie typy?
@@landofpc Dude, you sound like some Russian troll! Aren't you supposed to focus on propaganda actually inside Russia these last few days? Check with your supervisor at RIA - there was a massive push in recent days to temporarily concentrate on the internal information management - you want to be paid after all, right? Just FYI
With this logic, RBS 20 NG is in the 1st place, the 2nd is SUNGUR (8 km range 4 km altitude), which is not on the list, and the 3rd is STARSTREAK LML-NG.
PIORUN is the best. All these systems can be misled by flares launched from the plane. PIORUN strikes exactly on the target. This is a technological difference at least 1 generation
and it's the one manpads that can also be used against light armored ground vehicles in a secondary role. I had hoped that the US military would upgrade it's Avenger self propelled missile launchers by replacing the 2 pods of stingers with a pod of 4x starstreak and a pod of 4x stingers for increased flexibility.
This channel is not up to date. Polish army upgraded Grom 2 years ago. Now we have this th-cam.com/video/hnzT3Vo13-o/w-d-xo.html Piorun. Tracking target. 6.5 km range. Set ups for different targets- aircraft/ drone/ anti missile.
Yeah, because comparing essentially two different classes of armament - shoulder-fired MANPADS and stationary MANPADS, makes sense. It's like comparing the BAR with the Browning M1919A6. Another thing is that, as always with those "Top X portable AA missiles", the Stinger is on the top for no apparent reason besides being US made I guess. It should look more like this: 1) Polish PPZR Piorun 2) Russian 9K333 Verba 3) American FIM-92F Stinger, Russian 9K338 Igla-S 5) Polish PPZR Grom 6) Japanese Type 91 There are two things that the Stinger kinda struggles with: - hit probability - systems like Verba and Piorun are just more likely to hit the target that is performing evasive actions, - minimum engagement distance - very important parameter almost always left out from these kind of videos. While for the Stinger it is around 30 meters, for more modern systems such as Verba or Piorun (and even the Igla-S) it is about 10 meters.
True. Minimum engagement distance suprised Russian pilots wo knew about Stinger and used low fly tactic. Final effect you can easy find in Ukraine news. PPZR Piorun is usefull agianst cruisse missle and smole drones too.
Recall seeing that Starstreak does have a single missile shoulder fired version. Assume range is the same but maybe tracking is not as good and operation more difficult in that setup as the turreted versions? Using 3 sub munitions seems pretty different. Is much really known about kill rate of the others in practice? Recall reading somewhere that in the past the main result was just their presence pushed planes to fly higher, and potentially be less accurate in bombing., if there wasn't also lots of longer range AA. So range/altitude could be a consideration, although seem largely similar here?
@@Dom-fj9ix I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying it's a different type of weapon system. You can't fire it from the shoulder, while you can do it with the Stinger, Piorun or Verba. That's why it's like comparing a heavy machine gun to an automatic rifle because they're both infantry support weapons.
@@SyncViews OK, I have to give that one to you, there is a shoulder fired version of the Starstreak. But it still is way heavier than any of the "typical" MANPADS systems and, more importantly, it isn't fire and forget - you have to guide the missile to the target like in ATGMs. Granted, that type of missile doesn't give a damn about flares, but it requires a skilled operator (especially when targeting aircraft). You also have to keep in mind that Russian helicopters have laser warning receivers so they can detect that kind of missile. Which is quite a problem vonsidering that the missile isn't of fire and forget type. But yes, when used properly and by trained crews, it is absolutely deadly.
No, they know exactly what they're doing. The fact that this video came up first shows the sad reality of these channels surfing the broken TH-cam algorithm that rewards content spamming over real content, which in turn buries legit channels that do real research. If only people knew how much money they can make from spamming garbage content like this.
Every respect? Stinger system is slightly smaller, slightly lighter, it's missile is 14% faster, it's max fire range is 23% farther, it can operate with impact OR proximity fuzed warheads (more effective vs small drones) instead of impact only, while Piorun has advantages in warhead size (1.8kg vs 1.0kg) and max altitude (4k vs 3.8k).
@@22steve5150 The Stinger have a shorter range and have big problem to deal with drones. In Piorun you can choose with it s a proximity or impact explosion. You also can't program the Stinger. Piorun is actually the only one where you can do it. The Piorun is also protect with a code (very original)
@@22steve5150 eeeeee wrong! Piorun dose have a proxy fuse Lowest efeftive engagement alt is 10m to stingers 30. Highest alt I 4000 to stingers 3500. And as tested in Ukraine, efectivness is close to a 100%
I observe successful attempts of downed Kalibr, X-101, X-555 cruise missiles using Igla-1, Igla in Ukraine. But I don't see any stingers, why? After watching the video instruction about the stinger, I came to the conclusion that there is not enough reaction time, the cruise missile manages to escape before the anti-aircraft gunner manages to shoot. In the Igla MANPADS, the reaction time is 5 seconds, in practice, after 8 seconds, the rocket launches to the target. Although only successful firing of MANPADS at cruise missiles is uploaded to TH-cam, and a huge number of unsuccessful attempts remained behind the scenes, there is even a video with a successful defeat of a cruise missile, but on the same video, you can notice unsuccessful attempts before that, i.e. the anti-aircraft gunners were only able to hit the target with the 2nd or 3rd missile.
What a pile of shit. You have not even mentioned the Piorun which is the successor of the Grom. The stinger is not as good as you are trying to convince us. The Americans bought a large quantity of Pioruns a couple of weeks ago. If the stinger was as übercool as you are trying to convince us, the Americans would not have bought the Pioruns.
@@hermes6910 The data provided about the Polish manpad are from the war in Georgia and do not refer to the current Piorun. If you spend some time you will surely find out why Piorun is the best portable system. One more development of the rocket is not Soviet.
Most advance MANPADS are Polish Piorun... Already sended to Ukraine. Details here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piorun_(missile) Far superior than Stinger :] Cheers
The descriptions are very...."all over the place" using disjointed terms and lacks comparable data...if you're going to use MACH speed for one, use it for all...saying xyz per second and then MACH xyz is a poor way of describing speed. The narration is mediocre and the data is a shambles. You might just come on and say..."Wow, this one is neat" or "Golly, this one is bright and shiny" for as much good as what you presented. There is no data given as to how the systems were ranked....why is the FIM-92 the best....as compared to what ?
The reason why the Stinger is the best is because is that in the few seconds you have to react, its simple and very easily deployable. No fucking around. Activate. Lock. Uncage. Fire.
Star streak should be number 1. It's state of the art technology and the Ukrainians have attested to it being the most superior on the current battle ground.
@@deanbrown2061 Lmao what a stupid reply, so because the Starstreak didnt shoot down anything in World War 2 its automatically worse than a Flak cannon?? Sperg
Remember its you who's fighting not some bigheaded git which equiptments made in their country and through that they actually think there destroying everything with stinger, himars, blah, blah and winning it for you.. Not about the weopon its the person who uses it...im sure the stats will be revealed when this tragedy is over..
Hey, buzz, you'd like te verify your statements, because you placed Old grom missile in the ranking, making an oopsie, since Grom was replaced by Piorun missile system, further developement of the grom system
Why is Stinger first? Why does it have "8km" range? it's like 4,5-5km at best when shooting straight, and 3kg warhead? in your dreams... It's the worst MANPAD out of all in this video. EDIT: And you didn't even include Piorun...
and for what reason is the VERBA on place two? neither range, nor release date, nor something else make the Verba better as all the european, japanese or american stuff ... its slightly better than the igla-s, and thatswhy it should be 6th place
Very nice video. Next time do not forget to include Polish made Piorun, which is performing very well in Ukraine right now, and which is also purchased by US for SOF, as it is way more advanced than Stinger.
PIORUN from Poland is not on top of the list, yet you include older GROM version? Seems like your research is lacking with this video. Why are you using different units of speed? What data and how exactly do you compare it? How did you compare these systems - your implied rationale that one has to only guess. It strongly appears that no credible nor tangible research was done here. It is March of 2022 and you don't list Piorun in your compilation?
Totaly fake data. Where do you get these goofy data from? Do you type yourself? Currently, "Piorun" has the best Range (6.5km), the best altitude of fire, and sensors. Stinger's range is 4.8 km, same as IGLA, Verba 6 km. MISTRAL and RBS aren't MANPADS.
Trong tình huống nhất định, một khẩu RPG 2 hoặc RPG 7 vẫn có thể trở thành hệ thống MANPADS. Chiến tranh Việt Nam và xung đột Somalia đã chứng minh điều đó.
Don't know how the starstreak is rated 5th with the stats provided..it has a longer range than most and the land to air, it's also lighter than nearly all of them and only needs 1 soldier to handle it unlike others in the line up ..I thought the Grom looked good and the japenese one should have good electronics 🤗but the stinger is a classice still beating the best out there.. wouldn't like to be a Russian tank crew at the moment.....
The planned Stinger BlkII that was cancelled would have been even better, with the same IR focal plane array as the AIM-9X air-to-air missile, while retaining the CCM capability of the UV. Long after it was cancelled, it seems the US military bought the much newer Polish Piorun manpads, which for some reason were not even included here (see other comments). As for the Starstreak, it's fastest but is SACLOS, so the operator has to maintain track so the missile can ride the projected laser beam (called a Beam-Rider). Works well for fast aircraft, not so good against cruise missiles. Its fuzes (3 darts) are also contact, not proximity.
While people in the comment section are losing their minds over that newfangled Polish successor to the GROM, some of these aren't even MANPADS. More like MENPADS.....
It was my MOS in the army, i wish i could find a contractor sending of people to train but im sure SF has relayed the info without sending my old broken ass over. Would be nice to help though.
Türkiye is partner of Stinger project %40 Fim-92 Türkiye and Germany produced under license 70,000 missiles produced Please fix it if I am wrong about spesifications Turk SAM I can say this is very effective SAM Name : Porsav Entered Service: 2020 Missle Length: 1.20 m Missile Weight: 15 kg Warhead Weight: Range: 8 Km+ Altitude of Fire: 4 Km+ Speed : Mach 2.5 +++++++++++++++++++++++ Countermeasure Feature + IIR Porsav is capable of shooting at day and also at NIGHT
Lots of approximations in that video, which is not surprising. The starstreak should not be included, it is a very different system which is barely a manpad (it is rather heavier), has a dual use and is really accurate only if guided by the operator (accuracy decrease significantly in fire and forget mode). The mistral F3 version has a greater range and operational altitude. The Piorun should have been included rather than the Grom. As is often the case, western missile are usually more accurate and are better at avoiding countermeasures than their eastern counterparts.
Actually Grom is no longer produced. Instead since 2019 is manufactured more advanced Piorun, purchased also by USA since they considered it better than Stinger.
No we are good with the stinger!!
Stinger oldie but goodie 👍
@@thomasvelazquez9789 but it's actually true, read it up
@@jakubw.2779 yeah it's true. Also the Army is looking to replace the Stinger with a new domestically produced missile
Still used in service though .
Stinger has a propability of 70% when Piorun with double head has almost 100%. Piorun is probably the best MANPADS actually.
Probably the best one is right now a PIORUN, sucessor of GROM.
You can compare a lot of data, but PIORUN has super advance IR guidance system - it recognizing several infrared sources and hitting right one, insted of f.ex. flares.
Other ones might be faster or better flight attlitude but PIORUN has best probability of kill what is the most important. It is also very easy to use, its light and portable. This is why US ordered them to refill the gap after Stingers.
Pioruns are the best because of the effective altitude.
Not many mentions it but stingers are effective on altitudes over 180m
Piorun just above 10m
Not mentioning max alt
For stinger it is 3500
For piorun 4000
Ty ;)
More so than capabilities what about the soft aspects of the launcher system. How finicky are the missiles to handle? How long does the sensor coolant last when used to cool the sensors on the warhead? What is the shelf life of the coolant? How easy is it to transport? How delicate is the system? How quickly can a operator be trained on the unit? How quickly can the weapon be brought to bear once an aerial threat is detected? How long does the weapon take to set up? How long does it take to pack the system up for transport after firing? How long does it take to acquire a target?
These "small" details can have an extremely large impact of how successful this system is if not more so than the capabilites of it's warhead and sensors. That said, it must be a pretty good system for the US to order them. But do keep in mind the "soft" factors matter every bit as much as the "hard" factors.
Number one is polish Piorun.Gently forgotten
True. Piorun is more advanced than GROM. I Think number one of the world now.
What does "gently forgotten" mean?
Piorun is actually the igla it was just renamed
@@alitemi7093 you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. It's 100% Polish tech. Igła is Russian crap.
@@alitemi7093 Igla is old construction. Piorun looks seems, but is all new, modern construction. Most important electronics is inside.
How could you forget about PIORUN, currently the best manpad in the world? It's a modified Grom with 3 different modes of fire: drone, plane, missle. It's better than stinger - info confirmed by US Military, they're buying tons of PIORUNs from Poland.
Forgetting about POLAND is quite common these days.
Stingers were made 40 years ago, what would lead anyone to believe it could compete with a Polish system first fielded in 2019 lmfaoo
@@B01 Stinger has had multiple versions...it's now in its 7th version. Pretty much everything changed since the original version...
I'm sure Poland has good reason to be proud of Piorun...but...
The US are not buying Piorun for US use...they've purchased a small number for assessment thats it. It's not going to be used by the US military...its not a programme of record...
@@dogsnads5634 As always, you cannot trust journalists even on the portal focused just on NATO and post-soviet military xD They hyped up shit out of a lot of people (that polish website). Well I was happy because a big order from the US would mean a lot for the company that produces Piorun in Poland. You know, a lot of growth in the region when the factory is placed. For now Piorun is build just for Poland and a couple of smaller countries arround. Well, thank's for the info mate!
What a poor knowledge! Everyone know that the best in the world actual in use MANPAD is next generation of Grom -> Piorun from Poland. It is better that Stingers and Verba. Even US Army confirmed that fact and they have ordered a huge number of Pioruns from Polish producer Mesko. Ukrainian solders also confirmed that the Piorun MANPAD has the best reliability, effectiveness and accuracy (e.g. very good night using, can hit the targets even flying 10m above the ground, advance multi head missile, protection against enemy using etc.) In near future will be next generation of Piorun MANPADS (upgrade of missile head, better manoeuvrability, bigger range etc.) but Poland probably will not "transfer" all this technology abroad to avoid enemy capture...
Nowhere near as capable as starstreak though!
Polski "PIORUN" to prawdopodobnie najlepszy MANPAD na świecie, nie bez powodu USA kupiło ich 600. "PIORUN" to modyfikacja "GROM"
It is a modified igla grom
@@jackwilshere006 *Translate to English*
"Curved Poland"
PIORUN tylko wygląda jak GROM. To kompletnie nowa konstrukcja inne przyrządy celownicze, inna rakieta, inne parametry, odporność na
zakłócanie itd...
LIGHTNING just looks like GROM. To complete a new design, other sights, different rocket, different parameters, noise immunity, etc.
@@thatonebruneian thanks for tips lol
@@Duchuvip 600 sems to be rather for testing purpose for US scale, but You are right.
Where is Piorun? It's the better tan Grom and Igla.
This list is a joke the Saab and star streak are obviously in a different league faster longer ranged and in every way more effective they completely gloss over the star streak's three/four independent armour penetrating sub munitions causing damage over a wider area even on armoured targets and while I don't know as much about the Saab system its clearly very advanced but looks a lot less portable needing that large stand and other equipment hooked up to it.
Exactly, three explosive tungsten darts, each of which is impervious to most types of countermeasures which is why the Starstreak has such a good economy when it comes to kills per missile fired.
Piorun is new version of Grom and is much better than it's predasesor
You forgot - Poland sent to Ukraine "Piorun" MANPADS , which entered service in 2019, 1,82kg warhead, 10,5kg missile, 6km range, 4km alt. Can mount optics like NV.
US bought some of those too.
yeah poland makes good stuff!
I wonder why the US would buy them. Compared to current Stinger models it's range is 25% shorter, and it doesn't have a proximity fuze warhead variant for use against small drones.
@@22steve5150 propably better ergonomics and accuracy and tech?
@@ΠαζαρακιαΣιτι maybe when it first came out vs legacy Stingers, but Stingers have just been recently upgraded so those things should be pretty even now. I'd bet the Polish system is a lot cheaper though, cheap and highly effective.
I sent my grandpa some manpads the other day!
Lol US Army literally purchased Piorun as Stinger replacement and they're not even included
Stingers reaching out and touching the hearts of russians since ‘86
So true Stingers have been reaching out to Russians with love ❤
Weirdly Stingers first operational use was in 1982, in the Falklands War. 6 missiles went South with the SAS and wa used to shoot down an Argentine Air Force Pucara and a Puma helicopter. The manuals and single person who had been trained to use it had all been lost in a SeaKing crash. The guy who fired it was pretty much making it up as he went along...he'd never been trained on it...The funniest thing was that he was posted shortly after the war to the US to be trained on Stinger, when the US trainer began to tell the assembled US and UK personnel about the then very new missile and asked them all if they knew anything about it...the SAS guy had to break it to him that he'd already shot something down with it...
In service since 1967
@@silaskuemmerle2505 Err...no. Stinger was first fired from the shoulder in 1975 and took a while to arrive in service in 1980. The unrelated Redeye missile arrived in service in 1967...
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Sungur Manpad (Turkiye)
Range 8km
Altitude of fire 4km
IIR-Imaging Infrared
Imager Infrared Guidance (IIR) system The main difference from IR guided is that IR guidance system is focused on heat, emitting direct heat, while IIR Guidance system is focused on the entire target. For example, when an IR-guided missile is launched, it emits a lot of heat, that is, when the engine is turned on, the IIR guidance system locks on the entire flight image of the target, thanks to its imager. In this case, it becomes very difficult to deceive the IIR system compared to the IR guidance system. SUNGUR, with its 8 kilometer range and Imaging Infrared (IIR) Seeker step separation details, is described as the fourth generation MANPADS due to its superior features.
Where is Polish Piorun . It is no.1
No, not 1
Bullshit. Stinger is the best? :D And that's why the US army bought 600 pieces of Polish manpads called "Piorun" the successor of Grom, right?
Good point
Stinger is fairly old, even the RMP version. Instead of upgrading to the planned Stinger BlkII which used the AIM-9X IR focal plane array, the US military cancelled it and bought Pioruns instead later, which has better specs than Stinger RMP. If this video had included Piorun it likely would have been #1, and it is much newer. The US military did, however, make a ground-to-air AIM-9X version which outranges, outmaneuvers, better CCM, and faster than any manpad made (too large for manpad, of course).
If stinger is so great, why US botght polish Piorun system?
@@landofpc Umm... what?
@@landofpc a co mają mówić jak piorun jest opisywany jako polski system? Podziel się wiedzą ekspercie!
@@landofpc gościu, widzę, że jedyne co chciałeś osiągnąć swoim komentarzem to zadrwić z Polaków. Filmik jest świeży i powstał po tym jak Piorun został zamowiony przez USA. Po co im system z gorszymi lub porównywalnymi osiągami? Wiesz jak wybredne są stany Zjednoczone w kontekście uzbrojenia? Tam się nie zamawia sprzętu spoza ich kraju ot tak. Taki sprzęt MUSI być lepszy od tego co sami mają. Poszukaj z resztą jakie możliwości ma Stinger a jakie Piorun. Więc tak... ludzie, którzy o tym wiedzą, po prostu mówią, że autorzy mają trochę nieaktualne dane.
@@landofpc ty myślisz, że mogą ot tak sobie coś skopiować bez licencji? 😆 przestań szukać spisku chłopie i trochę wiary w polską myśl techniczną! Skąd się biorą takie typy?
@@landofpc Dude, you sound like some Russian troll!
Aren't you supposed to focus on propaganda actually inside Russia these last few days? Check with your supervisor at RIA - there was a massive push in recent days to temporarily concentrate on the internal information management - you want to be paid after all, right? Just FYI
The best is the one handled by a soldier who knows his equipment and who has trained regularly.
but it doesnt matter he dont guide missile he just shots bruh
@@Itchybolyou got to know when to shoot for a higher probability of hit that takes experience
Given its speed, dual purpose capabilities and inability to be jammed I would have thought Starstreak would be top.
Yeah Starstreak is top of this list for sure. They didn't even mention the piorun.
PIORUN has tripple purpose.
No, the best is obviously the obsolete 1981 designed Stinger missile. Do not question this ranking please. TH-cam is the vessel of truth.
@@benoitnadeau5845 Tbf it probably costs a lot less
where is PIORUN??? it's the best in the world at the moment. USA order some of them to replace Stingers...
With this logic,
RBS 20 NG is in the 1st place,
the 2nd is SUNGUR (8 km range 4 km altitude), which is not on the list, and
the 3rd is STARSTREAK LML-NG.
stinger nr 1? this is joke? Please look Poland gun
Where is polish PIORUN? One of the best air defence system today.
Just goes to show how out of date this video is despite being recently released.
PIORUN is the best.
All these systems can be misled by flares launched from the plane. PIORUN strikes exactly on the target.
This is a technological difference at least 1 generation
comparing: price, parameters, advanced technology, portability-(dimensions, weight), effectiveness, polish PIORUN is the best
Sorry, but this video is weak as russian army. No Polish Piorun here? Hello! Piorun is the best MANPAD on the market right now!
Starstreak is literally the fastest in its class in the world.
and it's the one manpads that can also be used against light armored ground vehicles in a secondary role. I had hoped that the US military would upgrade it's Avenger self propelled missile launchers by replacing the 2 pods of stingers with a pod of 4x starstreak and a pod of 4x stingers for increased flexibility.
I agree starstreak is way more advanced
You had no idea what starstreak was until UK said they are sending them today. Get lost
@@1.21Gigawatts_ nice ad hom
@@TruthNerds English, please
Piorun from Poland. It is better that Stinger
This channel is not up to date. Polish army upgraded Grom 2 years ago. Now we have this th-cam.com/video/hnzT3Vo13-o/w-d-xo.html Piorun. Tracking target. 6.5 km range. Set ups for different targets- aircraft/ drone/ anti missile.
Yeah, because comparing essentially two different classes of armament - shoulder-fired MANPADS and stationary MANPADS, makes sense. It's like comparing the BAR with the Browning M1919A6.
Another thing is that, as always with those "Top X portable AA missiles", the Stinger is on the top for no apparent reason besides being US made I guess. It should look more like this:
1) Polish PPZR Piorun
2) Russian 9K333 Verba
3) American FIM-92F Stinger, Russian 9K338 Igla-S
5) Polish PPZR Grom
6) Japanese Type 91
There are two things that the Stinger kinda struggles with:
- hit probability - systems like Verba and Piorun are just more likely to hit the target that is performing evasive actions,
- minimum engagement distance - very important parameter almost always left out from these kind of videos. While for the Stinger it is around 30 meters, for more modern systems such as Verba or Piorun (and even the Igla-S) it is about 10 meters.
True. Minimum engagement distance suprised Russian pilots wo knew about Stinger and used low fly tactic. Final effect you can easy find in Ukraine news. PPZR Piorun is usefull agianst cruisse missle and smole drones too.
Recall seeing that Starstreak does have a single missile shoulder fired version. Assume range is the same but maybe tracking is not as good and operation more difficult in that setup as the turreted versions? Using 3 sub munitions seems pretty different.
Is much really known about kill rate of the others in practice? Recall reading somewhere that in the past the main result was just their presence pushed planes to fly higher, and potentially be less accurate in bombing., if there wasn't also lots of longer range AA. So range/altitude could be a consideration, although seem largely similar here?
Umm starkstreak really good and should be on the list
@@Dom-fj9ix I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying it's a different type of weapon system. You can't fire it from the shoulder, while you can do it with the Stinger, Piorun or Verba. That's why it's like comparing a heavy machine gun to an automatic rifle because they're both infantry support weapons.
@@SyncViews OK, I have to give that one to you, there is a shoulder fired version of the Starstreak. But it still is way heavier than any of the "typical" MANPADS systems and, more importantly, it isn't fire and forget - you have to guide the missile to the target like in ATGMs. Granted, that type of missile doesn't give a damn about flares, but it requires a skilled operator (especially when targeting aircraft). You also have to keep in mind that Russian helicopters have laser warning receivers so they can detect that kind of missile. Which is quite a problem vonsidering that the missile isn't of fire and forget type.
But yes, when used properly and by trained crews, it is absolutely deadly.
I was searching TH-cam for PIORUN and this video came up. I guess TH-cam knows which one is best and you don't 😂
No, they know exactly what they're doing. The fact that this video came up first shows the sad reality of these channels surfing the broken TH-cam algorithm that rewards content spamming over real content, which in turn buries legit channels that do real research. If only people knew how much money they can make from spamming garbage content like this.
Where is Piorun, which beats Stinger in every aspect?
Every respect? Stinger system is slightly smaller, slightly lighter, it's missile is 14% faster, it's max fire range is 23% farther, it can operate with impact OR proximity fuzed warheads (more effective vs small drones) instead of impact only, while Piorun has advantages in warhead size (1.8kg vs 1.0kg) and max altitude (4k vs 3.8k).
@@22steve5150 Piorun also has proximity fuse and min. alt of 10m instead of Stinger's 180m
@@krajt1999 I could have sworn the new variants bring the min altitude down to 20-30m
@@22steve5150 The Stinger have a shorter range and have big problem to deal with drones. In Piorun you can choose with it s a proximity or impact explosion. You also can't program the Stinger. Piorun is actually the only one where you can do it. The Piorun is also protect with a code (very original)
@@22steve5150 eeeeee wrong!
Piorun dose have a proxy fuse
Lowest efeftive engagement alt is 10m to stingers 30.
Highest alt I 4000 to stingers 3500.
And as tested in Ukraine, efectivness is close to a 100%
Good comparison of Manpad .
I observe successful attempts of downed Kalibr, X-101, X-555 cruise missiles using Igla-1, Igla in Ukraine. But I don't see any stingers, why? After watching the video instruction about the stinger, I came to the conclusion that there is not enough reaction time, the cruise missile manages to escape before the anti-aircraft gunner manages to shoot. In the Igla MANPADS, the reaction time is 5 seconds, in practice, after 8 seconds, the rocket launches to the target. Although only successful firing of MANPADS at cruise missiles is uploaded to TH-cam, and a huge number of unsuccessful attempts remained behind the scenes, there is even a video with a successful defeat of a cruise missile, but on the same video, you can notice unsuccessful attempts before that, i.e. the anti-aircraft gunners were only able to hit the target with the 2nd or 3rd missile.
Starstreak is the most advanced of ‘em all
Lol
Hopefully they'll get to Ukraine.
Now that Ukraine has them we will get a chance to see how effective they are. I wouldn't want to be flying in anything Russian!
They are probably only talking about the old first generation version.
nope
What a pile of shit. You have not even mentioned the Piorun which is the successor of the Grom. The stinger is not as good as you are trying to convince us. The Americans bought a large quantity of Pioruns a couple of weeks ago. If the stinger was as übercool as you are trying to convince us, the Americans would not have bought the Pioruns.
Best MANPADS in the World ---- >>>> Piorun from Poland. The rest is scrap.
Amazing a list like this could possibly leave out PIORUN. It may be the most effective and technologically advanced MANPADS system today.
The best one manpads is PIORUN from Poland .
@@hermes6910 "From what" Ask the US military why they decide to buy Polish manpads.
@@hermes6910 The data provided about the Polish manpad are from the war in Georgia and do not refer to the current Piorun. If you spend some time you will surely find out why Piorun is the best portable system. One more development of the rocket is not Soviet.
We don't use grom any more, we use piorun now and its better than ones you showed, even US army buys it
Piorun is the best one.
Where's Polish PIORUN?!?!?
Most advance MANPADS are Polish Piorun... Already sended to Ukraine. Details here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piorun_(missile) Far superior than Stinger :]
Cheers
The descriptions are very...."all over the place" using disjointed terms and lacks comparable data...if you're going to use MACH speed for one, use it for all...saying xyz per second and then MACH xyz is a poor way of describing speed. The narration is mediocre and the data is a shambles. You might just come on and say..."Wow, this one is neat" or "Golly, this one is bright and shiny" for as much good as what you presented. There is no data given as to how the systems were ranked....why is the FIM-92 the best....as compared to what ?
STARSTREAK
The fastest
The most punching power,
Can out reach most on this list
Can not be jammed
And has 3 missiles in one .
Mmm a Top 3 at least.
Have it ever shot down any Russian aircraft or any aircraft in combat
@@deanbrown2061 We'll find out soon...
@@deanbrown2061 yes, many.
@@DrSteveGames no it has not mate stop lying its never seen action against russians until now so we will find out
@@officialJoebiden yes it has, I've seen video's of them being used in Ukraine.
thank you
Best MANPADS is Polish Piorun.
ARM vs Manpad. Fucking genius
The reason why the Stinger is the best is because is that in the few seconds you have to react, its simple and very easily deployable. No fucking around. Activate. Lock. Uncage. Fire.
Thanks from India
Polish Piorun is the best manpad in the world!
Yea the starstreak is best but since they couldn't even pronounce Thales (pronounced Tallus) properly I wouldn't put too much stock in this video
Like most TOP list on youtube. This one is also garbare
I liked those people who develop this.
Sungur füzesini unutmuşsunuz 8 km menzil 4.5km irtifaya sahiptir Türkiye üretmiştir.
Star streak should be number 1. It's state of the art technology and the Ukrainians have attested to it being the most superior on the current battle ground.
Polish "Piorun" would be No1 today
Starstreak should be top
Lol
Seen your lol comments on Starstreak come on Dean let us know why ??
@loyalist refresh my mind I can't quite remember. it's a system I heard about years ago. Did it .shoot down any Russian aircraft in Afghanistan?
@@deanbrown2061 Lmao what a stupid reply, so because the Starstreak didnt shoot down anything in World War 2 its automatically worse than a Flak cannon?? Sperg
@@deanbrown2061 And also on that logic, because the Starstreak didn't kill anybody in the battle of Hastings it's worse than a bow and arrow?
Manpads are menstrual pads that are worn by a man
That's what I was thinking lol, can you imagine being at war with someone and saying "Hey guys you got your MANPADS on?"
Do you wear one ? 😂
@@thebuzz4108 No, Because he has no balls.
@@thebuzz4108 not yet, I will when I hit my golden years lol. 👴🦽🦼♿
New mistral F3 redoutable porté 7 km et système anti leurrs différences entre un leurrs et propulsion thermique
Turkey also has Roketsan Porsav. That's as ambitious as 8 of them.
I think the name of that missile is SUNGUR!
Thank you USA and UK for your help and support! You are real friends! Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the USA! Glory to Belarus!!!
Remember its you who's fighting not some bigheaded git which equiptments made in their country and through that they actually think there destroying everything with stinger, himars, blah, blah and winning it for you.. Not about the weopon its the person who uses it...im sure the stats will be revealed when this tragedy is over..
Hey, buzz, you'd like te verify your statements, because you placed Old grom missile in the ranking, making an oopsie, since Grom was replaced by Piorun missile system, further developement of the grom system
Mistral 3 and Piorun are the best AA portable missiles
It’s nice to see the patch update has finally added starstreak to Ukraines playlist and custom class.
Why is Stinger first? Why does it have "8km" range? it's like 4,5-5km at best when shooting straight, and 3kg warhead? in your dreams...
It's the worst MANPAD out of all in this video.
EDIT: And you didn't even include Piorun...
I like her accent ❤❤❤❤
At least this one sounds like a real human narrated it.
and for what reason is the VERBA on place two? neither range, nor release date, nor something else make the Verba better as all the european, japanese or american stuff ... its slightly better than the igla-s, and thatswhy it should be 6th place
Really surprised that Germany never made an effort to make a manpad
Very nice video. Next time do not forget to include Polish made Piorun, which is performing very well in Ukraine right now, and which is also purchased by US for SOF, as it is way more advanced than Stinger.
The Swedish one is cool but not as portable for sure
I think that japanese manpad is n1.
US Army bought 600 MANPADS -"PIORUN". I think they had a reason :)
Starstreak has surpassed the rest by far.
POLISH PIORUN IS NOW BEST IN THE WORLD LOL
PIORUN from Poland is not on top of the list, yet you include older GROM version? Seems like your research is lacking with this video. Why are you using different units of speed? What data and how exactly do you compare it? How did you compare these systems - your implied rationale that one has to only guess. It strongly appears that no credible nor tangible research was done here. It is March of 2022 and you don't list Piorun in your compilation?
i wear my manpad everyday
There is no best MANPADS atm on this list..."PIORUN". Way better than stinger...lol. Who made that list ?
Totaly fake data. Where do you get these goofy data from? Do you type yourself? Currently, "Piorun" has the best Range (6.5km), the best altitude of fire, and sensors. Stinger's range is 4.8 km, same as IGLA, Verba 6 km. MISTRAL and RBS aren't MANPADS.
Trong tình huống nhất định, một khẩu RPG 2 hoặc RPG 7 vẫn có thể trở thành hệ thống MANPADS. Chiến tranh Việt Nam và xung đột Somalia đã chứng minh điều đó.
Don't know how the starstreak is rated 5th with the stats provided..it has a longer range than most and the land to air, it's also lighter than nearly all of them and only needs 1 soldier to handle it unlike others in the line up ..I thought the Grom looked good and the japenese one should have good electronics 🤗but the stinger is a classice still beating the best out there.. wouldn't like to be a Russian tank crew at the moment.....
The planned Stinger BlkII that was cancelled would have been even better, with the same IR focal plane array as the AIM-9X air-to-air missile, while retaining the CCM capability of the UV. Long after it was cancelled, it seems the US military bought the much newer Polish Piorun manpads, which for some reason were not even included here (see other comments).
As for the Starstreak, it's fastest but is SACLOS, so the operator has to maintain track so the missile can ride the projected laser beam (called a Beam-Rider). Works well for fast aircraft, not so good against cruise missiles. Its fuzes (3 darts) are also contact, not proximity.
Verba has three seekers, so it is the best.
While people in the comment section are losing their minds over that newfangled Polish successor to the GROM, some of these aren't even MANPADS. More like MENPADS.....
Where we can find polish Piorun?
igla -s is the most effective manpad
igla s has been so effective on both sides in the ukraine war
Ukraine uses the latest Polish rockets "piorun".
These are good weapons against drones.
This ranking is just the author's imagination that has nothing to do with reality. 👎
Stinger is a legendary MANDAPS.
def MANDAPS they shoot flying fists into other fists
It was my MOS in the army, i wish i could find a contractor sending of people to train but im sure SF has relayed the info without sending my old broken ass over. Would be nice to help though.
American Stinger No.1 in the world 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪✊✊✊✊✊✊✊✊✊
Türkiye is partner of Stinger project %40 Fim-92
Türkiye and Germany produced under license 70,000 missiles produced
Please fix it if I am wrong about spesifications Turk SAM
I can say this is very effective SAM
Name : Porsav
Entered Service: 2020
Missle Length: 1.20 m
Missile Weight: 15 kg
Warhead Weight:
Range: 8 Km+
Altitude of Fire: 4 Km+
Speed : Mach 2.5
+++++++++++++++++++++++
Countermeasure Feature + IIR
Porsav is capable of shooting at day and also at NIGHT
wut besides the modernised stinger not necessarily being on top of those esp chinese ones, how do u feature grom but not piorun?
U should of done the fligerfaust it’s a anti aircraft missiles.
Manpad almost sounds like something else..
RBS any day
Lots of approximations in that video, which is not surprising. The starstreak should not be included, it is a very different system which is barely a manpad (it is rather heavier), has a dual use and is really accurate only if guided by the operator (accuracy decrease significantly in fire and forget mode). The mistral F3 version has a greater range and operational altitude. The Piorun should have been included rather than the Grom. As is often the case, western missile are usually more accurate and are better at avoiding countermeasures than their eastern counterparts.
Yup the last sentence is very true
The best AA missile is the Starstreak HVM and the Mistral 3 period
Can't wait till the starstreaks gets deployed and hit the skies