I gotta break a spear for their manager, Christopher Gierke, who appears in the video. He picked up Johnny Thunders when his career was at an all-time low and got him back into music fans’ consciousness slowly and steadily. Got him to tour regularly again all over the world, got him a great record deal with a label that stuck with him through thick and thin, Jungle Records, got him a bit of financial stability. This is great work he did there. What he couldn’t give him was a stable band, instead of the pick-up musicians he worked with for most of the 1980s. And, of course, he threw in the towel in 1986. Now he manages a Polo club in Mongolia, I think. A manager that every band should have....
I always thought it was Lee Black Childers who got Johnny a deal with Jungle Records that brought People interested in Johnny again in the the UK at least. and I remember reading an article about Johnny Thunders & the Heartbreakers in a monthly punk magazine it was called Punk Lives? It could have been written by Kris Needs? Featured amongst those other 1980's mawhawk poseur punk bands who were just pathetic. I don't know if C. G had anything to do with him in the UK. Maybe Paris. When he made the Hurt Me album..
@@twistedspanner bloody hell, you know what? You might just be right! But he didn’t got Johnny a record deal while he was the manager of the Heartbreakers. Way after, in 1984, the story goes that Lee had these tapes of L.A.M.F. and the live concert at the Speakeasy that one day would become DT.K., that he got back by breaking and entering Track Records’ offices when they went into liquidation, and brought them to Europe thinking no one would be interested except possibly in France. But Alan Hauser of Jungle stepped forward, and the rest is history. Yes, I stand corrected. But I stand by everything I said about Christopher Giercke...I believe it true....
@@jonnytlong I've got a Thunders interview somewhere where he says he didn't even know they were planning on DTK with Jungle. He wasn't pleased that they were doing it without letting him in on it but he obviously came around cos DTK was and is the best live Heartbreakers album out there. Captured when they were on top of their game. Lee had invested a lot of his own money on the band and wanted it back I guess?
When I was a kid it crushed me when Thunders died. He and Slash were my idols. I even had the Thunders hair cut! Lol... Miss ya baby! Maybe you were born to loose...
"Complex man?" ROTFL!!! He was a narcissistic junkie with limited musical talent who ripped off everyone he ever worked with, beat his ex-wife for welfare money and all but abandoned his kids, just like his father abandoned him. Johnny Thunders is the second most hateful and undeserving overrated drug-degenerated "rock star" in history after Brian Jones!
I'm so records my whole life. Since 1993. and when I turn 21 it's a record store I worked at the owner gave me his Johnny thunders collection on LP. Don't give me cooler than that.
What pissed me off the most about the Heartbreakers' career is. Their manager in 1976-77 was Lee Black Childers. He was a photographer that was part of mainman. Bowie's entourage in the early 70's. Bowie learned how to manipulate the press into making out a star when he really wasn't but it worked. Bowie had a photographer mate called Mick Rock who constantly fined video of Bowie which are now iconic. Why didn't Lee Black Childers buy a fkn camcorder and film the Heartbreakers and make videos for them each time they released a record. The video was gonna immortalise you Gigs and word of mouth just weren't enough to get you far. I really think that because the Heartbreakers never even bothere to make a single video for Born to Lose of Chinese Rocks was a disaster for them. Look at the Pistols. They had a video for every single they ever made except for Holidays in the sun. An I right or am I wrong??? And Chinese Rocks was the worst choose to put on their debut A Side single. The A. Side should have been ' Born to Lose' Not only was it a better song . It would have had more chance of getting airplay and maybe have got them on TV. The BBC used to ban loads of bands and records for the most trivial pathetic reasons. Releasing a song about heroin as your first single was just commercial suicide. They blew it right from the start.
@@jbweaver4203 the problem let in every single penny the band went on gear. I mean smack not food so money for a video was probably out of the question. But Lee Black Childers paid to get a mobile recording unit to properly record the Heartbreakers at their peak march 1977 at famous rockstar hangout The Speakeasy. It was released in 1982. (Much too late) This was the best Live Heartbreakers album for me that's ever been released. The sound quality beats LAMF and they still find a way to play these songs brilliantly. No punk band could touch them but the never made a bloody video. That's why they failed to break through to the media. Word of mouth is great in London but not if your living in North Wales or the outer Hebrides. The video tours the band. That's why they failed. Not drugs.
Good man ,had Johnny's fix already with em ,guess I do t have to see you tonight ,see you tomorrow ,takes one to know one, "you brought that thru customs!!?? "You could see the relief on our boys face....God bless all you horse heads out there ,keep up the good fight and hold your heads high , together we make this life easier , together..get it, im in San Diego California Advanced Knowledge ,when in town message me if you need to meet up with Mr. Thunders , you already know who I am...
You even know how happy that makes a junkie, The only thought you have when you don't have is getting, once you've got do it or not your not going to get sick(plus you get high) and you can relax, this making one very happy and also able to perform, socialize, eat, drink, sleep without all that goes away, and you get to you lay on a bed in the fetal position sick as a dog...so yeah JT's petty happy. Don't miss this life at all, handcuffed to dope, miserable grey, and dark existence, cold even though it's a sunny warm beautiful day. DONT TOUCH THIS SHIT(stick to smoking the weed, few beers ) or you will go from living to existing.
@fiendbastards No, it's not, Is that from experience, is there something I said that's wasn't true? "My wife and kids like me better" you haven't lost everything yet, not stolen money out of her purse yet? come close to dying, family turn their back on you?...you will after some time passes. then get back to me and tell me how cool you still think it is. Rookie comment HELLS about to come your way. this is if you really do have a dependency?
*@Bon Scott* "Getting high".....from smack ???......stoned rather ......Being "high" is having an expanded consciousness like you get from LSD or weed.......an expanded consciousness is the fucking *last* thing junkies search for . 💉👍🥴
@fiendbastards So you lost your son because of dope, And now your saying Herion is ok, my wife and kids like me better on it...Even though I lost my son from it, my family are still ok with it? It's not like the movies EH, mate? You're FUll OF SHIT, mate.
"You got that through customs?! You're smarter than I thought..." What is this clip from? ---because the Dead Or Alive video I have is strictly concert footage. Long live Cinema Verite, and the smack conspiracy for enlightenment...
Walter Lure is on this Dead or Alive concert video, filmed at the Lyceum. However, Walter was in and out of the band, sitting out much of the 1984 European tour reportedly because of monetary, management and personal differences at the time, and was working his Wall Street day job instead. Various guitarists sat in on those dates including Sylvain Sylvain.
I remember that last interview with him in his hospital room, he looked sixty years old. And then Willy DeVille making up that story that they found him dead with his arms around his guitar. Total waste.
It's from the Dead or Alive dvd like it says in the description which has acted out scenes of Johnny at the airport and post gig hotel scenes. Who said it was real?
I gotta break a spear for their manager, Christopher Gierke, who appears in the video. He picked up Johnny Thunders when his career was at an all-time low and got him back into music fans’ consciousness slowly and steadily. Got him to tour regularly again all over the world, got him a great record deal with a label that stuck with him through thick and thin, Jungle Records, got him a bit of financial stability. This is great work he did there. What he couldn’t give him was a stable band, instead of the pick-up musicians he worked with for most of the 1980s. And, of course, he threw in the towel in 1986. Now he manages a Polo club in Mongolia, I think. A manager that every band should have....
I love the look on Johnny's face when he opens his jacket, and Johnny's like "you brought that through customs?"
I always thought it was Lee Black Childers who got Johnny a deal with Jungle Records that brought People interested in Johnny again in the the UK at least. and I remember reading an article about Johnny Thunders & the Heartbreakers in a monthly punk magazine it was called Punk Lives?
It could have been written by Kris Needs? Featured amongst those other 1980's mawhawk poseur punk bands who were just pathetic. I don't know if C. G had anything to do with him in the UK. Maybe Paris. When he made the Hurt Me album..
@@twistedspanner bloody hell, you know what? You might just be right! But he didn’t got Johnny a record deal while he was the manager of the Heartbreakers. Way after, in 1984, the story goes that Lee had these tapes of L.A.M.F. and the live concert at the Speakeasy that one day would become DT.K., that he got back by breaking and entering Track Records’ offices when they went into liquidation, and brought them to Europe thinking no one would be interested except possibly in France. But Alan Hauser of Jungle stepped forward, and the rest is history. Yes, I stand corrected. But I stand by everything I said about Christopher Giercke...I believe it true....
@@twistedspanner Lee did get him that deal. I’ve never heard anything good about that Chris guy.
@@jonnytlong I've got a Thunders interview somewhere where he says he didn't even know they were planning on DTK with Jungle. He wasn't pleased that they were doing it without letting him in on it but he obviously came around cos DTK was and is the best live Heartbreakers album out there. Captured when they were on top of their game. Lee had invested a lot of his own money on the band and wanted it back I guess?
Nolan man.. what a great drummer, he was so skilled
And cool
Awesome guy first time I heard him
So if you feel like I feel show you what I'm into and you can make up your mind and maybe we can make time
@@anthonygaitanos3361 billy rath was cool too
@@leahflower9924 ?
When I was a kid it crushed me when Thunders died. He and Slash were my idols. I even had the Thunders hair cut! Lol... Miss ya baby! Maybe you were born to loose...
If I remember correctly Eric from kiss and Freddie Mercury died as well that year... Horrible year for rock n roll
JT. what a complex man, love his music, r.i.p. Johnny
"Complex man?" ROTFL!!! He was a narcissistic junkie with limited musical talent who ripped off everyone he ever worked with, beat his ex-wife for welfare money and all but abandoned his kids, just like his father abandoned him. Johnny Thunders is the second most hateful and undeserving overrated drug-degenerated "rock star" in history after Brian Jones!
@@tubbytalisman envious I see you have mapped out his supposed life in all ur envy and disgust. Lol. Get a life man. Chill on thunders the mans dead.
@@tubbytalisman Johnny leave just a wonderful legacy of work and always was true to himself and his art. The drugs and his personal life is secondary.
When johnny said "Christopher" my mind immediately went to the Sopranos lol
R.I.P Jerry Nolan & R.I.P the great Johnny Thunders
this gotta be the coolest video on YT
One of.
Great footage of JT and jerry Nolan
I'm so records my whole life. Since 1993. and when I turn 21 it's a record store I worked at the owner gave me his Johnny thunders collection on LP. Don't give me cooler than that.
"Qu'est ce que c'est ca?" ("What is that?") An earring. Had he really never seen one before? Gotta love smart-aleck prudes/drones.
And he’s wearing one himself. lol.
“If you’re lookin’ for trouble... you’ve come to the right place...”
the song playing in Johnny Thunders’ head while he’s trying to clear customs!
He walked magnificent ly........
now that is what rock and roll looks like
thats a proper manager.
Genzale!
What pissed me off the most about the Heartbreakers' career is. Their manager in 1976-77 was Lee Black Childers. He was a photographer that was part of mainman. Bowie's entourage in the early 70's. Bowie learned how to manipulate the press into making out a star when he really wasn't but it worked. Bowie had a photographer mate called Mick Rock who constantly fined video of Bowie which are now iconic. Why didn't Lee Black Childers buy a fkn camcorder and film the Heartbreakers and make videos for them each time they released a record. The video was gonna immortalise you Gigs and word of mouth just weren't enough to get you far. I really think that because the Heartbreakers never even bothere to make a single video for Born to Lose of Chinese Rocks was a disaster for them. Look at the Pistols. They had a video for every single they ever made except for Holidays in the sun. An I right or am I wrong??? And Chinese Rocks was the worst choose to put on their debut A Side single. The A. Side should have been ' Born to Lose' Not only was it a better song . It would have had more chance of getting airplay and maybe have got them on TV. The BBC used to ban loads of bands and records for the most trivial pathetic reasons. Releasing a song about heroin as your first single was just commercial suicide. They blew it right from the start.
@@jbweaver4203 Their lyrics weren't. And definitely not when Johnny was smacked up to fuck.
@@jbweaver4203 the problem let in every single penny the band went on gear. I mean smack not food so money for a video was probably out of the question. But Lee Black Childers paid to get a mobile recording unit to properly record the Heartbreakers at their peak march 1977 at famous rockstar hangout The Speakeasy. It was released in 1982. (Much too late) This was the best Live Heartbreakers album for me that's ever been released. The sound quality beats LAMF and they still find a way to play these songs brilliantly. No punk band could touch them but the never made a bloody video. That's why they failed to break through to the media. Word of mouth is great in London but not if your living in North Wales or the outer Hebrides. The video tours the band. That's why they failed. Not drugs.
@@jbweaver4203
What was "edgy" about The Heartbreakers?
I'm pissed at Malcolm for destroying the Dolls with that red patent leather bulshit
The Live At Maxes record...was got not at the late mayhem show time. 8:30 show... Jersey teenyboppers. They've since added cuts from the late shows.
The only Heartbreakers! These guys ruled!
Thanks Johnny deserves this!JcsxRockinRoll Royalty Always!
"Smarter than I thought!" :-D
Real johnny witty as ever lol
0:56 that's funny cause he also has an earring
Maybe he was just admiring it, you know, 'guy-earring talk'.
Good man ,had Johnny's fix already with em ,guess I do t have to see you tonight ,see you tomorrow ,takes one to know one, "you brought that thru customs!!?? "You could see the relief on our boys face....God bless all you horse heads out there ,keep up the good fight and hold your heads high , together we make this life easier , together..get it, im in San Diego California Advanced Knowledge ,when in town message me if you need to meet up with Mr. Thunders , you already know who I am...
I'm here bro I need
Oh, brother, they were great for about 10 minutes.
Che stile Jerry, e il colorito di Johnny sul grigio, fa capire
The life of a sailor , a dealer in every port.
With strychnine laced smack.......what a glamorous life 👍🥴
what would you know about going to sea ?
Is this a movie? JT plus all Dolls had the ability to act...Marr looks like JT at this point...miss you JT
You gotta believe these boys style had a big influence on alot of acts, even if their musical output was a flash across the sky
💔💔💔💔
Richard hell television
Its a earing.
He should have told him it was also a member of the band.
Earring
@@gogoyubari366 if you're going to be a Grammar Queen biily bob, its 'an' earring!
Jim Greco approves
0:20 Johnny Tunders boots 👠👠
It's on the Dead or Alive dvd but this is from the French film Mona et moi he was in.
You even know how happy that makes a junkie, The only thought you have when you don't have is getting, once you've got do it or not your not going to get sick(plus you get high) and you can relax, this making one very happy and also able to perform, socialize, eat, drink, sleep without all that goes away, and you get to you lay on a bed in the fetal position sick as a dog...so yeah JT's petty happy. Don't miss this life at all, handcuffed to dope, miserable grey, and dark existence, cold even though it's a sunny warm beautiful day. DONT TOUCH THIS SHIT(stick to smoking the weed, few beers ) or you will go from living to existing.
@fiendbastards No, it's not, Is that from experience, is there something I said that's wasn't true? "My wife and kids like me better" you haven't lost everything yet, not stolen money out of her purse yet? come close to dying, family turn their back on you?...you will after some time passes. then get back to me and tell me how cool you still think it is. Rookie comment HELLS about to come your way. this is if you really do have a dependency?
*@Bon Scott* "Getting high".....from smack ???......stoned rather ......Being "high" is having an expanded consciousness like you get from LSD or weed.......an expanded consciousness is the
fucking *last* thing junkies search for . 💉👍🥴
@@PAULLONDEN No, they're too busy trying not to get sick...It's NO FUN, once again there's nothing glorious about being Junkie is my point.
@fiendbastards So you lost your son because of dope, And now your saying Herion is ok, my wife and kids like me better on it...Even though I lost my son from it, my family are still ok with it? It's not like the movies EH, mate? You're FUll OF SHIT, mate.
@@bonnerscott5374 ignore the internet trolls some of them have never seen sunlight before
Where's Waldo???!!!
All that footage isn't on my VHS tape of Dead or Alive. Copy Cats hadn't been released then.
"You got that through customs?! You're smarter than I thought..."
What is this clip from? ---because the Dead Or Alive video I have is strictly concert footage. Long live Cinema Verite, and the smack conspiracy for enlightenment...
fkn cocaine chrisopher
I don't even wanna know what's in their luggage.
Jerry Nolan siendo lacayo del Johnny desde los New York Dolls xd
Walter Lure?
American Keith Richards
Johnny Gerry Billie
And that folks is how you smuggle drugs through an airport!
anyone know the name of the recording / version of the song?
T Dogg the song is “Two Time Loser” from the album “Copy Cats” with Patti Palladin
PG’s
Thanks. I had the same question.
Good singing- Johnny’s diction isn’t a hot mess- and live that slinky sad reverb.
What is this from?
where was Walter?
Walter Lure is on this Dead or Alive concert video, filmed at the Lyceum. However, Walter was in and out of the band, sitting out much of the 1984 European tour reportedly because of monetary, management and personal differences at the time, and was working his Wall Street day job instead. Various guitarists sat in on those dates including Sylvain Sylvain.
Unfreeze inns
I remember that last interview with him in his hospital room, he looked sixty years old. And then Willy DeVille making up that story that they found him dead with his arms around his guitar. Total waste.
where can I get this DVD
You can get the full DVD here:- www.ebay.co.uk/itm/323317956511
Did Johnny ever NOT look dope sick ? Drugs suck
He did when the Dolls started out, he was gorgeous too.
@@lizc2023 Yes! In a unique, Picasso painting way. Gorgeous. Even in his later years, you can still see the beauty, despite the pain.
@@dianacastro6916 I agree, in my eyes he was beautiful his whole life, right up to his death
@@lizc2023 He was super handsome
@@Js2557ty he really was
Why couldn't anyone help him?Did he really need not want gelp?
Looks like a movie in which I forcefully declare utter bullshit!!
It's from the Dead or Alive dvd like it says in the description which has acted out scenes of Johnny at the airport and post gig hotel scenes. Who said it was real?
What c est ca?😂
What is this from???