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Within the first seconds .... A dj throwing themselves into the crowd and screaming girls making love heart hand gestures .... This once beautiful electronic scene is an embarrassment .... Money .... Greed .... Image .... Social .... Absolutely saturated with bland, monotone djs and producers who get everything they make, labelled as a masterpiece ... Or their sets are the greatest set ever heard .... You may be fooling the new fans but the majority who started this scene are appalled by how it's changed and those occupying it ! .... The once spiritually unique electronic music scene, is now a swamp of imagine conscious, talentless tripe, getting paid rediculous money because non educated clones keep clicking like on their Instagram posts ! ... Thousands of productions lasting no more than 6 months .... No stand out identity to the majority of the music ... There's nothing about today's scene that will be remembered with fondness by those with eyes to see .... There's glimmers still making the right moves but overall it's in a shocking state ❤
Well said,I hate when music becomes too popular,I loved trance in the mid 90s until paul van dyk and oakenfold made it mainstream,I always loved techno and now there's so much crap it's happening with this music too
Yep you aren't wrong, it's in such a sad state that there are producers of techno who have been around for decades who no longer get booked, and 8 year old kids who mix 2 tracks together on IG and get 1m likes get booked to play events 🤣
I had been out of the electronic scene since the early 2000s, however just the past few years I've been reinvigorated by some of the new sounds and artists. I hope they keep pushing the boundaries and don't listen to the gatekeepers. I am here for the music and to fellowship with people that enjoy the same sounds. It is a special door.
For me the underground atmosphere is what makes Techno special. The non-conformism with modern trends, the dark atmosphere. I think if you eliminate those it makes the whole techno scene less valuable. Fortunately there are still non-mainstream techno artists. My all time favorite both for his music and style will always be Oscar Mulero !
@@Bork_In_Volcanic Been following the techno scene since 2008, must say Mulero remained consistent to all the time. Could be because I like deep, hypnotic techno not this mainstream one. Luckily I have to say that in my country (Malta) the Techno scene has evolved immensly
Techno has been mainstream since at least 2016. The underground is where all new things come from, and the underground has nothing to do with the mainstream, nor will it ever.
I've been in the scene since '88 and there is not a lot of modern stuff in here that I would call "techno" (it sounds a lot more like commercial Trance). I still release techno mixes and there is not a single modern artist featured here that I would play, or have even heard of. For me Techno is a feeling. A pulse. A ripple. A boom. Techno is faceless bollocks. It is a punch in the face. It is a slap on the ass. It is an adrenaline shot. It is a roar, a scream, a horn, a siren. An explosion of sound and noise and emotion. For me Techno is the stuff Dave Clarke and Christian Varela are putting out each and every week. It's about as far from commercial Pop music as you can get.
Techno will always depend on technology.. in production, in presentation and in upscaling the Reichweite.. as long as technology is evolving (DAWs, Synths), techno evolves as well.. also with some fruits to become POPular.. but also a big chance to develop (in very fast lifecycles) a broad, inspirational diversity in the playground under the ground.. glad to see so many creative persons and sounds in today’s scene ❤🎉🙌💥 thx for your research
Just a quick one, only few techno tracks I've heard inside this document. Rest is new wave pop, straight kick 4x4 doesn't mean that you're making techno. Thank me later ;)
Go listen to the compilation that came out in 88 called 'Techno - the sound of Detroit ' not very techno is it 🤣 that's because those guys were just making their version of Chicago house... the idea that 3 guys from Detroit invented techno is pure BS
and some tracks realeased in Chicago in 86 sound more techno because they were copying Belgium German tracks because the harder sounds (and softer Italo) being played at The Warehouse were European.
@@JimmyHandtrixxmuch of what people refer to as Techno derives more from the harder edged Chicago records (Mike Dunn, Steve Poindexter, Armando, Robert Armani) than the fusion jazz and funk tinged tracks from Detroit
First, they say Gen Z is the first generation who has the freedom to experiment with their identity. Some minutes later, they present TikTok videos teaching correct dance moves and fashion for clubs. This is ridiculous and saddening. Everything essential to the underground electronic music culture has been eaten away by the free market, hyper-social media narratives, and corporate high fashion.
I feel like there is so much individuality by now, a place to belong might be what's missing. Learning dance moves to belong is pretty understandable. I'm too old for that though, just want slower, drawn out experiences where you can get lost. 110% hype is not exactly what I need most of the time. There is a genre that delivers this type of hype better for me now though, while being more authentic at that: DnB. Also a great place to belong.
Techno since the beginning inspired people to be themselves, express their emotions and to be authentic without judgement. A pure existence...Bliss. accepted just as you are. It energizes humanity ..We all believe in ourselves. Power. To the people.
I honestly feel like nowadays, a lot about how successful you are as an artist is about how you market yourself. And the problem about that is that mainly the people who are good at and willing to put their focus on that are getting the creative freedom to express themselves. This is the reason for the so-called "underground" still being commercial af. I personally think that some people who could really contribute something way more meaningful with emerge with time, they'll just need some time to adapt and create their own spaces. I am waiting for this moment with endless excitement.
Now its time on Sprockets when ve dance!!; Its been too long since ive been to a legit warehouse party. Clubs sre cool, but there is a certain air of superiority disguiesd ad inclusivity that is tough to take. To me, the underground scene is what need to thrive.
I think within those negative developments there is still hope. The "agenda" of techno (tolerance, diversity...) reaches more people then ever. Maybe the big clubs got mainstream but the small raves are so diverse and cool in fusion with the new "mainstream members". They like the industrial style and get to know the ground rules the feeling of techno and maybe get more open and tolerant themselves. Let's use the new attention to make an positive impact 💗💗
Give a huge credit to the edm pioneer Giorgio Moroder...specially the 1970s hit Back to Eternity. It was way ahead of it's time and a prerequisite to the techno and electronic music....
The 00's era of Trance is what was my gateway to Electronic music. Was is the instruments/synths? The melody? I don't know, but nowadays Trance tracks doesn't hit the same at all. For some reason I was always interested in Techno even back in 2015, but the new wave of "Melodic Techno" AKA remixes of Trance tracks kinda feels like home to me. I get from the comments that "this isn't really Techno", but then what IS Techno? Could "Melodic Techno" be seen as a first layer, a gateway to deeper, truer levels of Techno? Same could be said for Hardstyle: I like D-Block & S-te-fan or Ran-D (melodic!), but real hardstyle fans may find them too mainstream or soft compared to say Sefa (random artist, I don't know who I can compare with there. Think harder styles.)
Very bad docu and abuse for advertising. Full of falsification. Techno originated in 1981 in Detroit when they combined Kraftwerk, Funk and Italo Disco. The underground scene as ALL underground scenes are very inclusive on any identity. Breaking boundaries always happen when underground becomes mainstream. Nothing new or special now or then. The German techno scene in early 90’s was small and had its own sound, just like Belgium, Italy, Netherlands. Nowadays Techno is a mainstream thing and after 1 minute of history the bs commercial starts.
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I am not a fan of the commercial techno and i agree with most comments but if you allow your self to dig there is still really great underground techno especially in industrial hard tek. Like "Krtm - orgy - kozlov - brecc - ornviom - 6EJOU - Paula temple - snts - Ogts -
Awesome and on point, but sad documentary about the last days of techno. It shows how and why an once great scene and genre is getting wrecked. And this is not even its final state, wait another 5 years and this is gonna look like the good old days.
I am 40 years old.I fell inlove with electronic music when i was 9.Went to discover it all...like a true raver as they used to say back in the day...From ambiental to terrorcore.From captain hollywood project to greasy pussy fuckers...i will always get in a trance on strict repetitive techno tho...its something i can never fully describe to anyone in words...please take this silly attempt to document what is the greatest thing that ever happend to me and many others off the internet and just find something else to document.
Techno in my opinion was never truly mainstream. Yes, now it's more available to the general public but you cannot compare it with actual mainstream sounds of EDM, pop, or trap. These genres for better or worse are huge. Honestly last 3 to 4 years I have the feeling that some well-known producers have been trying to make more money using cheap techno tricks, like boosting the bass and the bpms just for more views on social media without producing any real music or any new sound. The real techno will always be underground, deep in the club where people don't care about their social presence, only about their community, their experiences, and escapism. And one last thing... like everywhere in the world there are bad and ignorant people. This doesn't mean that the whole techno community suffers from racism. Around a techno DJ booth, you can very easily find a trans, a straight, an old guy and his kids without any eye-raising. If not, you are not at the techno club. You just entered a soulless money-grabbing event with boring meaningless compressed beats.
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@@DWHistoryandCulture fair enough, I cannot disagree with that. I just believe that racism and intolerance is more of a general social problem in every aspect of our lives and less a topic to be analysed on a scene where racism is mostly an exception to the rule. Heck, I mean without black people there is no house and techno and without queer people there is no organized underground techno scene. I've been there since the mid 90s as a straight white male and I saw it with my own eyes. But, who knows, maybe I just had the luck to not meet these attitudes. In any case, I'm very happy to see, as time goes by, techno taking a place in "Kunstkultur" (is that even a legit term) 🙂 and recognized as a true form of art, getting recognition by open minded mainstream media.
never saw racism in french techno scene , I do not mean germans are racists , I DO know they're not, but I'm a little astonished by such words. I'd have ever never imagine that. That said I gotta say I hate the way clubs like Bergains acts like some "BON GOUT POLICE" which is not techno to me.
Remember the early days of Jeff Mills and the other usual suspects who are still holding Techno together , Richie Hawtin in my mind is still the best when it comes to innovation and creativity
This is why techno music has actually gotten worse, for some reason certain people, especially in Berlin want to promote the identity politics of certain artists when they arent even that good or popular. Nobody cares about this stuff apart from a small group of people who think they have claimed ownership of the scene. To see Talliah or whatever they are claiming to be in this doc is a typical example. Someone who has a mental health issue that they want to somehow claim as an indentity that I watched clear the dancefloor when supporting Caribou. Sorry but nobody wants to hear 150 bpm at 7 pm as a warm up to what is a house music act. A professional DJ would have adjusted their set for the audience, an ego driven one wants to play what they want and ignore the needs of the audience. Its no wonder some of the founders of techno and leaving claiming its now a circus. Music has taken a backseat to politics, image and social media trends. This idea that BDSM wear is the new uniform of techno is a joke. The late Andrew Weatherall called certain clubs Berlin Bum Dungeons and no wonder, and who knew that people going to these clubs would be assaulted by patrons? As reported in RA. The majority want to hear good music, its seems a Berlin thing to want to shoehorn odd sexual behaviours into a music scene that had nothing to do with them in the first place.
I kinda wish you hadn't brought Weatherall's name (RIP) into that rant about 'odd sexual behaviours' and identity politics to back up your own highly questionable take. There has always been an incredibly strong connection with Techno and fetish clubs, BDSM, etc. Not just in Berlin but there are 'Bum Dungeons' the world over where the music is the most gnarliest banging hard underground techno imaginable. Sounds more like you are worried by the fact that Techno is associated with what you conside to be deviant behaviour. In fact I imagine the BDSM community is more annoyed that their culture is turning into a TikTok meme and the visual style probably being co-opted by people who aren't interested in getting involved with BDSM and just enjoy a bit of 'edgy' cosplay.
Shortening musical arrangements for streaming platform purposes seems ridiculous and in fact defeats the purpose of the techno genre. Techno tracks set a foundation for those to lose themselves in their imagination. A creative release. Techno was never created for capitalistic purposes. A contradiction if anything. Techno is not a trend. Techno is a lifestyle.
Techno is boring in 2023 (for the most part) and has been for a long time my $0.02 for today take it or leave it. For scene that's supposed to be about free expression and non conformity I don't see it or feel it.
Watching this has made me sad. Coming from somebody who got into techno from 1995 to now,techno is in a really bad state and lost what made it beautiful in the first place ……it’s for everyone! It’s not about fashion, social media or money😢 to honest nobody used to care where the DJ was, the speakers was where we all congregated.
Hey listen I’m on the same team but if the genre is meant to be for anyone then shouldn’t it be for the widest audience possible? People who care about fashion, social media, and money are included in everyone, either be okay with it or change what your definition of techno is xx
In the nineties it was never the motto dance, peace and love as many Germans wanted to make it seem. The reality is that many black North American DJs suffered discrimination and there was fierce competition. Not long ago, Felix da Housecat was prevented from performing in some well-known clubs around the world! Bergain is the current mirror of everything I just mentioned... despite being a club that is purely commercial marketing money!
Yes when we used to go clubbing we would stand in groups and dance with each other or the people around us. It's striking how the crowd now always points to the DJ booth like they're watching a rock concert. We didn't even know where the DJ booth was sometimes!
Fabric in London still does it for me. Been going there for 22 years. The current Pioneer system is just as good as the Function One system it replaced. The bodysonic dancefloor in room one still blows my mind every time. And they still curate the best artists in the scene without selling out.
Agreed. homeboy with the Edgar mullet is an outsider coming to collect on the trendiness and popularity of the trance, hardstyle, and progressive house that’s creeping back into hard techno and doing so with zero historical knowledge or context. It’s not new or fresh, it’s cashing in on rehashed ideas people forgot about. And there are very good reasons why they were deprecated as genres. Because their popularity made them attractive as an exploitable resource. It left those genres once full of life and ingenuity into vapid soul sucking money machines. Same which is happening now. I’m fine with them calling it hard techno. But in no way is this actual true to ethics techno music, which was created as a direct response to this in the corporatism of music in the 80s.
@@seanocean Agree with you man. And if that makes me the kind of "purist" which he thinks is "not so good" I suppose I'm not so good a person, sadly. The track they play to start the "What's the spirit of techno?" section is a straight-out, deodorised pop song. The irony. I spend triple or sometimes four times the many hours I used to, to sift through the money-machine dross you're talking about in the "Techno" sections on DJ music stores and find creatively thoughtful and risky tracks to play. Also ironic given how much legwork used to be involved in finding music for sets!
The electronic music and club culture flourished when no media, no marketing gurus, no political and social agendas and no global conglomerates knew its existence or even considered it a form of art. Now it is just a commodity.
@@haidac1661 Not at all! I am talking about Tomorrowland-like bullshit , greedy promoters, pre-recorded dj sets, documentaries like this one in which music is supposed to be the main theme but all I can see is female djs promotion (dj Rap was a top tier female dj without any extra promotion from media). I remember djs booked for 3 hours in a club but played 5 just because the vibe was dope. They still got paid very well as they should be. And don't forget people still bought cds and vinyls. Things didn't get shitty because djs or promoters / club owners were starving that is for sure (IMHO).
@@Slowlyburnedelectronics “Tomorrowland bullshit”! Only the people who never went there say that because the maine stage is commercial. But there’s 12 others stages, all underground! There’s only one place in the world where all the DJ’s, producers, artists of Electronic music, etc, came to look what was happening in Electronic Music. It was not Berlin, not Detroit, or even Chicago, but Belgium !
@@cyclotronbxl Massive respect for Belgium underground scene, but tomorrowland as a concept is clearly a huge marketing project. But this is just my opinion and how I see things. And I completely understand why this has happened to the electronic music and its ok.
social agendas, when politics entered the scene with its social engineering agendas then the spirit of not only techno but the whole rave movement changed. This fact is noticed by very few and its being underestimated.
Like many documentaries today, everything is seen through the optics of intersectionality, racism, gender ideology and the topic the documentary seeks to describe just becomes a parody or a secondary topic at best. Having been in the techno scene since the early 90's, I can not think of a more accepting and inclusive culture. To portray the techno scene as a place where gender queers, females and blacks have had some monumental struggle is just absurd. The irony is that the imaginary hierarchies that are sought to be disposed off are instead replaced by even more hierachical and intolerant power structures where you almost need to fit into some of the mentioned intersectional categories to come into the spotlight. The faceless techno of the past where the role of the individual was downplayed and the music itself was the focus has long gone. This documentary is nothing less than propaganda and synthesises a fable about what the techno scene is and have been. A revisionist fable without little connection to reality. On the topic of cultural appropriation, this documentary appropriates, revises, twists and contorts what techno is really about.
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@@DWHistoryandCulture Yes, but seeing the techno culture through the optics of intersectional struggle produces a warped image. Seeing something that was never there in the first place. Its is a difference between having an open mind and believing in your own hallucinations.
Techno was never about identity politics. It’s about conveying feelings and sentiment in a purer way than words ever could. Vendex explained this all too well when he said that “techno could say with no words more than you ever could with 1000 words”, or something to that effect at least. Many of the harder DJs are fed up with the state of the world and you can tell by the dystopian vocal samples. They really don’t care at all about politics or anything other than giving their audience a good time in the face of a living nightmare.
''Techno is harder, faster and more diverse than ever.'' this couldnt be farther from truth ... technoculture literally got destroyed over the past 10 years
The genre got faster and pushed to its extreme a long time ago. Now the mainstream techno is largely based recreating the same sound from the past. Face it people, we got old! The sound of the future is still stuck in 1992!
"What some, mostly younger people that learned everything on TikTok, THINK is techno is harder, faster and more diverse than ever.'' I'd argue that it isn't necissarily harder. It may feel that way, but all that TikTok "techno" is cheesy AF!!! IMO cheesy cannot = hard... It's just fast.
The years before and shortly after the year 2000 were truly golden. There was high-quality music, freedom, diversity, and great energy. The fact that we used to prepare for every party, not just to keep up with fashion but to be in sync with the music, is something sorely missed today. Back then, information came from a few radio shows, and we all recorded on cassette tapes and swapped recordings. There was a powerful magic in going to a party, where the DJ would take you on a journey without you knowing what they'd play. We attended techno, trance, house parties, absorbing every sound. As the years went by, we developed our tastes, knowing what we liked and having preferences. All the DJs who came during that time are legends, and except for a few names, like Adam Bayer and Marco Carola, who changed their style, most of the others still play quality techno and haven't succumbed to the garbage that has infiltrated the scene. At one of my recent festivals, I had the feeling I was at a pop festival, not a techno festival. I strongly hope that anyone daring to become a DJ first looks back at history, takes the time to listen to true, unadulterated techno, and then immerses themselves in this wonder.
Yeah that's when I saw the biggest change, at least here in the US, it went from warehouse party's promoted with flyers in the 90s to concert like events sold at ticket master in the early 00s. If there wasn't a danger of it getting shut down by the fire department I wouldn't even really call that a rave party and definitely not underground. The energy changed too after that, for the worse. And yeah Adam Bayer is probably the guy that made techno my favorite genre back then. There's nothing better during primetime hours at a warehouse party with a giant speaker wall than techno. It's hypnotic, energetic and I like how it's faceless, unless you're really familiar with an artists style you never know what you're listening to and it's near impossible to figure out, I always loved that mysterious sort of feeling with it
There is still underground techno but this is definitely not it, and it's harder and harder to fight for it. Social media and especially TikTok killing the real spirit and sound of it, business techno is rampant, and new generations of kids don't know any better at least the majority in the US.
Techno and other electronic music styles are safe. We do not need Vogue to tell us to be our selves, we do not need a permission from main stream, or from anyone, to do anything. I welcome everybody to the scene, they might come because of social media but stay for the music. Or they leave when something else becomes hip, it does not matter. Social media might have an influence on some superficial level and techno will evolve like it has always done, but it will always stay independent and undergroud, at least the main part of it.
Techno/House was always known for being diverse and open minded since day one. Everybody who knows anything about it will acknowledge the vital role the queer and black communities played in the development of these genres. To act like there is some sort of struggle going on nowadays is just laughable. Also the discussion about commercial vs underground has been going on since at least 1991 when Moby's hit single "Go" reached top ten chart positions in the UK and The Netherlands. I just think techno now is kind of in a position where trance was in the late 90's/ early 2000's. And of course, social media ruins techno, like it ruins everything.
Queer and black communities didn't play a mayor role in the rise of Techno. This docu has flaws all over the place and is just another woke agenda. Techno was nothing before white straight European people were buying these records and were booking USA dj's. Techno never was about skin colour or anti discrimination. It was for everybody. That's why you never see titles or lyrics in house or techno about discrimination. DW history is just another anti art/freedom of expression woke outlet trying to harvest clicks and likes. NEXT!
This video could have gone from good to awesome by not forcing this nonsensical gender and equality shit into it, it's only in the commercialized pop EDM that nonissues like this are considered important
@@roeland1205 in the same way Morbid Angel is an evolution of Elvis, I guess. But in reality no they don't. If we want to give them a common origin house is their common ancestor. Not techno.
@@Gavintech house is the OG, except maybe possibly disco was. Anyway, techno definetely is a shared ancestor of which all genres evolved over the past 3 decades. That my point, and you can't deny that.
@@roeland1205 I can, and will. None of that music shares history or structure with early techno. It all comes from house (even if the Dutch and Belgians mistakenly called their early hardcore stuff techno).
The biggest problem for Techno today is that everyone keeps calling their music techno, when its not. 90% of this music getting called techno is actually trance. Melodic Techno is just rebranded Progressive Trance, Peak Time Techno is rebranded hard trance, hard dance & Hard Techno is Hardcore & Gabba rebranded, and none of it is innovative or pushing boundaries as actual techno music always does. Also the modern scene is saturated with Instagram model DJs who are often average DJs, and use Ghost producers to make music but have 300k subs because they look good in bikinis. These same "fans" who follow the instgram models are people who think Skrillex invented techno, so think they have found the "underground", when in reality EDM just rebranded itself Techno. Dont worry though they are already moving over to Psytrance now, so won't be long before the instagram model DJs get their dreadlocks glued in and hire new ghost producers..
FUCK I LOVE THIS COMMENT! Couldn't be more spot on. "Melodic techno" is just formulaic club progressive house from 20 years ago. "Hard techno" isn't techno but some combination of hardstyle and sometimes gabber... & the biggest of them all, the "Charlotte De Wit "techno" is fucking psytrance, and has been for years now. Sad what happened but I wonder if eventually these people, not the DJs but the kids, will find their way to proper shit? If there's going to be a silver lining that's it. P.S. No one knows WTF tech house is anymore either. I think TikTok and COVID made that happen too.
@@GavintechI'm new to the scene and I'd love to know more of your knowledge, sir. Now that you mention it, Charlotte's music does bear a resemblance to Psytrance, and probably other DJs are somewhat in the same situation. Could you enlighten me to what Techno really is?
@@Gavintech yes an accurate description of sad state of the mainstream techno scene. Funny part is we get called old by zoomers who think they are innovating in techno music with their regurgitated trance music and 160bpm white noise with 1990s Hoover an horn stabs. 🤣 I'm also not feeling this whole pesudo goth black leather and BDSM gear cult who call themselves "ravers", this is an insult to rave culture.
I remember when techno nights were rocking up in old, comfortable clothes, old trainers etc, no pretentious "uniforms" and judging those not conforming to a set style, and there was certainly no virtue signalling or political bs mixed into it. Its also such a shame that anything with a 4/4 kick nowadays is calling itself techno.
@@DWHistoryandCulture he's right though, as an old timer, all these kids in fetishwear who, in five years, will be accountants married and living in the suburbs is beyond bizarre
I don't know what this documentary is trying to tell but it has little to do with techno. There is enough interesting stuff around if you have a good ear.
Care to list some artists? Clubbing is rather difficult here atm. so my experiences are focused on festivals / small parties. A lot of time in between.
For me techno is freedom. just be you in the past years since the pandemic techno parties don t feel the same anymore.... everyone dances, dresses, behaves the same... even in smaller clubs But i think that is going to change again once we adapted to the social media influence
Everyone i see at parties dominated by techno all look, dress, act, speak, and feel the same way. It's like a room full of lemmings dressed in black trying too hard. No clue what it was like 20 years ago maybe it was different then.
Experimentation and the creative risk-taking never happens in the mainstream. No genre has its best iconic and ground-breaking work in the mainstream part of its "catalogue".
for me the 90s/00s golden era techno style was the best, lots of variation in tracks, not so hard mastered, more lofi & dynamics. After 2008 or something everybody went full on minimal, with the exception of a few djs like ben sims. After that, i think around 2012, techno became more mainstream, you got harder kicks and it became a lot darker. Since a few years there has been really good golden era influenced techno coming out, but you have to search for it. the mainstream became even weirder with age of love remix from charlotte de witte and that other guy. Now deborah de luca has a remix of robert miles - childeren, and plays even remixes of abba tracks. That whole mainstream is more rave oriented and far more commercial than the underground. I wouldnt even call the mainstream techno. For me personally i hope that techno becomes more underground again.
I'm aware that a lot of people are frustrated with the scene nowadays. I am a newcomer and now wondering that you mentioned there are golden era-influnenced techno being released recently, can you share with me some of them please?
Kraftwerk, Moebius and Conny Plank started experimenting with electronic music in the 60s and 70s, laying the foundation for the genre. The Detroit artists then mixed these sounds with House music and gave it the name Techno. This new genre quickly gained popularity and has since evolved into various sub-genres with a global following.
DAWs like Ableton & FL Studio have contributed to the downfall of originality when producing electronic based music. Add in an oversaturation of plug-ins for DAWs, most producers experience a thing called "option paralysis" where they have too many options to choose from, so they stick to whatever plug ins & DAWs the pros use (Sylenth, Massive, FL Studio, etc) along with the oversaturation of the sample pack industry (BILLIONS upon billions of samples online) and you have a recipe for staleness. As a producer, I started seeing this around 2011 and switched to a hardware based set up and started building a studio full of gear from the early 2000s to the present. A lot of gear is expensive, but I enjoy being able to play an instrument like a synth that I can actually feel & experiment with different guitar pedals to get sounds & tones that can't be recreated on software (unless you get a plug in, lol). I enjoy jamming out & seeing where the music takes me, instead of me forcing the music to sound how I want. I can't stand using computers to produce and design sound, I only use them to record, mix & master.
Yep totally agree with you - forget menu diving, screens and presets. . it’s far more ‘real’ using hardware, synths, modular systems etc. . i like to keep things analogue too. I feel the same about vinyl when it comes to DJ’ing. Over twenty years ago I was using old analogue synths (even my Stylophone 350S I’ve had since a kid) and guitar pedals along with turntables to DJ live.
Try modular artists, which sessions last as their inspiration allows it. Jam techno. Eurorack heads and stuff. Djs are amazing, but beat makers are keeping the 🔥 alive.
@Alex-gk6gu I understand you and respect your opinion. I was giving an option. Is not boring for others and I guess alot of people enjoy it and your opinion matters.know that 👍🙂. Which Techno styles do you enjoy the most?
Try Robag Whrume, John Tejada, Objekt, Blawan, etc....guys like this are consistently underground. Not the hardest techno, but brilliant regardless. They've done hard techno of course. Everyone now associates Charlotte DeWitte and Adam Beyer with techno, which is where it starts to go south.
No drugs, no techno (as it is in nowdays). Unfortunatly both goes hand in hand. I'm all about music, art and expression, but seems like nowadays big part of "mainstream" scene are run as hudge enterprises, where, big name clubs, rental companies, promoter agencies and different beverage brands are legal side of it and "underground" drug market as illegal or "dark" side of that scene and both sides are benefiting hudge on it. It turns around hudge amout of money worldwide. The same scheme are running almost everywhere in world, at least in western hemisphere and than comes internet with its own game with lot of "artists" gaining popularity tru social media and often its not much about music as it is about artist image it self. Weird world we living in... "Underground resistance" ✊️
Huge misunderstanding between underground and experimental in this documentary. Not a single artist who is underground would present their craft with music videos and speak to an interview about how his/her's underground music is expanding spheres etc. Due to social media techno is very commercial now, it lacks substance and creativity, unfortunately the underground is dead and techno is going straight downhill. It is quite obvious in my opinion that harder styles of techno is transforming into hardstyle and more emotional/melodic styles of techno is transforming into trance.
What a poor documentary, sorry. You just did not talk about the future of music, and totally ignored the real revolution. I talk from my perspective and experience, dedicating my life and love to experimental electronic music.
Thank you, I strongly agree. Techno didn't change much. It is just sparkled with the elements of the current zeitgeist. This documentary contributes to shaping this narrative about a lost something. Also, electronic music is so diversified... I don't expect any documentary to ever mention Hardgroove, Prog. House revival, Phonk House or Kawaii Futurecore which, ironically turns out to be more underground than the current hardtechno-centric scene.
It's an interesting watch but they're trying to fit too much into a short video that fits their narrative. Reminds me of a short TV segment rather than a true documentary crafted by people who actually know and were there. And too many advert breaks.
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I agree with many of the commenters here. I remember it used to be much more melodic, colorful and interesting back in the 90's. Today it's just a refection of insane leftest ideology. Thanks.
Idk, a lot of things shown and said has nothing to do with techno to me. Its about dancing and falling into a rabbit hole. Its not about diversity but instead not giving a shit about who the other person is but simply enjoying them being next to you. And it certainly got nothing to do with business and money. I for one am happy to live in a city where this is still being lived today. 😊
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0:00 Unreleased Track produced exclusively for the documentary
2:55 Unarmed - Gareth Johnson / Jason Pedder Ben Ziapour
3:45 Untitled - Live Sven Väth @Tresor, Love Parade, Berlin (1996)
4:45 Unreleased - Jan Wagner & Luca Eck
7:55 No Remorse Barrie Gledden / Tim Reilly / Jeff Dale
10:10 Unreleased - Jan Wagner & Luca Eck
10:40 Echolust - Tom Boddy
11:05 Originalsound Mike.mej
11:45 Ghost Town - Luca Eck
12:07 No Remorse - Barrie Gledden / Tim Reilly / Jeff Dale
12:15 Echolust - Tom Boddy
13:00 Incense On the Subway - Luca Eck (feat. Izzy Camina)
15:55 Untitled House-Mix - Stacey Hotwaxx Hale
16:25 Untitled House -Mix Stacey Hotwaxx Hale
16:51 Berlin Minimal - George Georgia
17:50 Unreleased - Jan Wagner & Luca Eck
18:45 Untitled - Live Nur Jaber b2b Luca Eck @Rimbu Outdoor, Ghent (2023)
20:15 Echolust - Tom Boddy
21:15 Intense Dark - Barrie Gledden et al
21:58 Brave - TAAHLIAH
22:38 Hypnotic State - John 00 Fleming
23:30 Unreleased - Jan Wagner & Luca Eck
23:50 Unreleased - Jan Wagner & Luca Eck
Social media killed techno.
This video hurts a lot.
Let´s be honest: Social media killed almost everything, techno, photography and mental health included!
@@KY-zerSOH-zay Let's be honest: it's actually capitalism! ;-)
@@landwirtschaft2116 yep, wouldn´t argue about it
It sure did destroy it along with a lot of other things
Let the ‘pop techno’ wankers get on with it, whilst the true heads can lead the way. Just remember where ‘EDM’ was a few years ago.
Within the first seconds .... A dj throwing themselves into the crowd and screaming girls making love heart hand gestures .... This once beautiful electronic scene is an embarrassment .... Money .... Greed .... Image .... Social .... Absolutely saturated with bland, monotone djs and producers who get everything they make, labelled as a masterpiece ... Or their sets are the greatest set ever heard .... You may be fooling the new fans but the majority who started this scene are appalled by how it's changed and those occupying it ! .... The once spiritually unique electronic music scene, is now a swamp of imagine conscious, talentless tripe, getting paid rediculous money because non educated clones keep clicking like on their Instagram posts ! ... Thousands of productions lasting no more than 6 months .... No stand out identity to the majority of the music ... There's nothing about today's scene that will be remembered with fondness by those with eyes to see .... There's glimmers still making the right moves but overall it's in a shocking state ❤
Well said,I hate when music becomes too popular,I loved trance in the mid 90s until paul van dyk and oakenfold made it mainstream,I always loved techno and now there's so much crap it's happening with this music too
Wow so well said!!! 💕
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True!
Yep you aren't wrong, it's in such a sad state that there are producers of techno who have been around for decades who no longer get booked, and 8 year old kids who mix 2 tracks together on IG and get 1m likes get booked to play events 🤣
I had been out of the electronic scene since the early 2000s, however just the past few years I've been reinvigorated by some of the new sounds and artists. I hope they keep pushing the boundaries and don't listen to the gatekeepers. I am here for the music and to fellowship with people that enjoy the same sounds. It is a special door.
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For me the underground atmosphere is what makes Techno special. The non-conformism with modern trends, the dark atmosphere. I think if you eliminate those it makes the whole techno scene less valuable. Fortunately there are still non-mainstream techno artists. My all time favorite both for his music and style will always be Oscar Mulero !
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@@DWHistoryandCulture Welcome! :)
That namedrop. You're a person of culture!
@@Bork_In_Volcanic Been following the techno scene since 2008, must say Mulero remained consistent to all the time. Could be because I like deep, hypnotic techno not this mainstream one. Luckily I have to say that in my country (Malta) the Techno scene has evolved immensly
Techno has been mainstream since at least 2016.
The underground is where all new things come from, and the underground has nothing to do with the mainstream, nor will it ever.
For real! There's this whole bs now but there's still plenty of fantastic underground techno coming out almost everyday. Avoid the posers!
2016? lol longer than that kid
2016? Try 1993.
Underground is where all new things come from! Mark this principle!
If half a million+ gurners at Love Parade, in the 90’s isn’t mainstream, I don’t know what is 😂
Modern Techno is Early Hardstyle basically
I've been in the scene since '88 and there is not a lot of modern stuff in here that I would call "techno" (it sounds a lot more like commercial Trance). I still release techno mixes and there is not a single modern artist featured here that I would play, or have even heard of.
For me Techno is a feeling. A pulse. A ripple. A boom. Techno is faceless bollocks. It is a punch in the face. It is a slap on the ass. It is an adrenaline shot. It is a roar, a scream, a horn, a siren. An explosion of sound and noise and emotion.
For me Techno is the stuff Dave Clarke and Christian Varela are putting out each and every week. It's about as far from commercial Pop music as you can get.
Techno will always depend on technology.. in production, in presentation and in upscaling the Reichweite.. as long as technology is evolving (DAWs, Synths), techno evolves as well.. also with some fruits to become POPular.. but also a big chance to develop (in very fast lifecycles) a broad, inspirational diversity in the playground under the ground.. glad to see so many creative persons and sounds in today’s scene ❤🎉🙌💥 thx for your research
Just a quick one, only few techno tracks I've heard inside this document. Rest is new wave pop, straight kick 4x4 doesn't mean that you're making techno. Thank me later ;)
Go listen to the compilation that came out in 88 called 'Techno - the sound of Detroit ' not very techno is it 🤣 that's because those guys were just making their version of Chicago house... the idea that 3 guys from Detroit invented techno is pure BS
and some tracks realeased in Chicago in 86 sound more techno because they were copying Belgium German tracks because the harder sounds (and softer Italo) being played at The Warehouse were European.
@@JimmyHandtrixxexactly
fact
@@JimmyHandtrixxmuch of what people refer to as Techno derives more from the harder edged Chicago records (Mike Dunn, Steve Poindexter, Armando, Robert Armani) than the fusion jazz and funk tinged tracks from Detroit
Techno is everchanging and allways impressive!
First, they say Gen Z is the first generation who has the freedom to experiment with their identity. Some minutes later, they present TikTok videos teaching correct dance moves and fashion for clubs. This is ridiculous and saddening. Everything essential to the underground electronic music culture has been eaten away by the free market, hyper-social media narratives, and corporate high fashion.
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I feel like there is so much individuality by now, a place to belong might be what's missing. Learning dance moves to belong is pretty understandable. I'm too old for that though, just want slower, drawn out experiences where you can get lost.
110% hype is not exactly what I need most of the time. There is a genre that delivers this type of hype better for me now though, while being more authentic at that: DnB. Also a great place to belong.
Techno since the beginning inspired people to be themselves, express their emotions and to be authentic without judgement. A pure existence...Bliss. accepted just as you are. It energizes humanity ..We all believe in ourselves. Power. To the people.
Social media, especially TikTok makes even techno go rancid.
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"Mixing two genres together is the future", but that's nothing knew, that's how techno was created.
I honestly feel like nowadays, a lot about how successful you are as an artist is about how you market yourself. And the problem about that is that mainly the people who are good at and willing to put their focus on that are getting the creative freedom to express themselves. This is the reason for the so-called "underground" still being commercial af. I personally think that some people who could really contribute something way more meaningful with emerge with time, they'll just need some time to adapt and create their own spaces. I am waiting for this moment with endless excitement.
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Everyone so original yet everyone wants and looks the same. Like everything else, you can't have quality and quantity.
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@@DWHistoryandCulture thank you for the documentary and all the others! Very interesting!
The destruction of techno captured in 26 minutes 😢
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Now its time on Sprockets when ve dance!!;
Its been too long since ive been to a legit warehouse party. Clubs sre cool, but there is a certain air of superiority disguiesd ad inclusivity that is tough to take. To me, the underground scene is what need to thrive.
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@11:30 is definitely one of the main reasons why the scene feels less authentic now.
15 cans of stella!!!
I think within those negative developments there is still hope. The "agenda" of techno (tolerance, diversity...) reaches more people then ever. Maybe the big clubs got mainstream but the small raves are so diverse and cool in fusion with the new "mainstream members". They like the industrial style and get to know the ground rules the feeling of techno and maybe get more open and tolerant themselves. Let's use the new attention to make an positive impact 💗💗
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as always in these types of documentaries, no mention at all of the freetekno / freeparty / teknival scene, what a shame, but somehow not surprising.
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I have been to an Day festival with kobosil as Main act. It was harder, faster but it felt a lil bit like fake love. .
what a surprise… ;D
@@landwirtschaft2116 true
DJs were heard not seen,in the darkness
Give a huge credit to the edm pioneer Giorgio Moroder...specially the 1970s hit Back to Eternity. It was way ahead of it's time and a prerequisite to the techno and electronic music....
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The 00's era of Trance is what was my gateway to Electronic music. Was is the instruments/synths? The melody? I don't know, but nowadays Trance tracks doesn't hit the same at all. For some reason I was always interested in Techno even back in 2015, but the new wave of "Melodic Techno" AKA remixes of Trance tracks kinda feels like home to me. I get from the comments that "this isn't really Techno", but then what IS Techno? Could "Melodic Techno" be seen as a first layer, a gateway to deeper, truer levels of Techno? Same could be said for Hardstyle: I like D-Block & S-te-fan or Ran-D (melodic!), but real hardstyle fans may find them too mainstream or soft compared to say Sefa (random artist, I don't know who I can compare with there. Think harder styles.)
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Very bad docu and abuse for advertising. Full of falsification. Techno originated in 1981 in Detroit when they combined Kraftwerk, Funk and Italo Disco.
The underground scene as ALL underground scenes are very inclusive on any identity. Breaking boundaries always happen when underground becomes mainstream. Nothing new or special now or then.
The German techno scene in early 90’s was small and had its own sound, just like Belgium, Italy, Netherlands.
Nowadays Techno is a mainstream thing and after 1 minute of history the bs commercial starts.
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These documentaries are always high quality.
I can't believe they didn't mention Boris brejcha and Ann clue❤
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New Dance Show mentioned!!!
I am not a fan of the commercial techno and i agree with most comments but if you allow your self to dig there is still really great underground techno especially in industrial hard tek. Like "Krtm - orgy - kozlov - brecc - ornviom - 6EJOU - Paula temple - snts - Ogts -
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Think you’re conflating techno and other electronic music sub genres at some points… nice video
3:00 track ID on the background?
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bruh why does nearly everyone interviewed look so depressed and emotionless
“They know what is what, but they don’t know what is what, they just strut, what the fu(k”
I like this can i come along ?
thank you
Awesome and on point, but sad documentary about the last days of techno. It shows how and why an once great scene and genre is getting wrecked. And this is not even its final state, wait another 5 years and this is gonna look like the good old days.
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Techno is techno. My roots is Minimal.
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I am 40 years old.I fell inlove with electronic music when i was 9.Went to discover it all...like a true raver as they used to say back in the day...From ambiental to terrorcore.From captain hollywood project to greasy pussy fuckers...i will always get in a trance on strict repetitive techno tho...its something i can never fully describe to anyone in words...please take this silly attempt to document what is the greatest thing that ever happend to me and many others off the internet and just find something else to document.
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There’s still an underground scene in la
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Techno in my opinion was never truly mainstream. Yes, now it's more available to the general public but you cannot compare it with actual mainstream sounds of EDM, pop, or trap. These genres for better or worse are huge. Honestly last 3 to 4 years I have the feeling that some well-known producers have been trying to make more money using cheap techno tricks, like boosting the bass and the bpms just for more views on social media without producing any real music or any new sound. The real techno will always be underground, deep in the club where people don't care about their social presence, only about their community, their experiences, and escapism.
And one last thing... like everywhere in the world there are bad and ignorant people. This doesn't mean that the whole techno community suffers from racism. Around a techno DJ booth, you can very easily find a trans, a straight, an old guy and his kids without any eye-raising. If not, you are not at the techno club. You just entered a soulless money-grabbing event with boring meaningless compressed beats.
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@@DWHistoryandCulture fair enough, I cannot disagree with that. I just believe that racism and intolerance is more of a general social problem in every aspect of our lives and less a topic to be analysed on a scene where racism is mostly an exception to the rule. Heck, I mean without black people there is no house and techno and without queer people there is no organized underground techno scene. I've been there since the mid 90s as a straight white male and I saw it with my own eyes.
But, who knows, maybe I just had the luck to not meet these attitudes.
In any case, I'm very happy to see, as time goes by, techno taking a place in "Kunstkultur" (is that even a legit term) 🙂 and recognized as a true form of art, getting recognition by open minded mainstream media.
Straight from the leftist dictionary
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@@DWHistoryandCulture If you're unaware of the left's 'buzz words', then i'm afraid you are part of it.
P.L.U.R.
Before there was Polen-Techno...this is Kinder-Techno...no real Techno like it meant to be
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Suits German mentality! Sharp, fast, discipline, no emotions, futuristic, arbeiten arbeiten
Revisionist history
never saw racism in french techno scene , I do not mean germans are racists , I DO know they're not, but I'm a little astonished by such words. I'd have ever never imagine that. That said I gotta say I hate the way clubs like Bergains acts like some "BON GOUT POLICE" which is not techno to me.
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Remember the early days of Jeff Mills and the other usual suspects who are still holding Techno together , Richie Hawtin in my mind is still the best when it comes to innovation and creativity
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This is why techno music has actually gotten worse, for some reason certain people, especially in Berlin want to promote the identity politics of certain artists when they arent even that good or popular. Nobody cares about this stuff apart from a small group of people who think they have claimed ownership of the scene. To see Talliah or whatever they are claiming to be in this doc is a typical example. Someone who has a mental health issue that they want to somehow claim as an indentity that I watched clear the dancefloor when supporting Caribou. Sorry but nobody wants to hear 150 bpm at 7 pm as a warm up to what is a house music act. A professional DJ would have adjusted their set for the audience, an ego driven one wants to play what they want and ignore the needs of the audience. Its no wonder some of the founders of techno and leaving claiming its now a circus. Music has taken a backseat to politics, image and social media trends. This idea that BDSM wear is the new uniform of techno is a joke. The late Andrew Weatherall called certain clubs Berlin Bum Dungeons and no wonder, and who knew that people going to these clubs would be assaulted by patrons? As reported in RA. The majority want to hear good music, its seems a Berlin thing to want to shoehorn odd sexual behaviours into a music scene that had nothing to do with them in the first place.
I kinda wish you hadn't brought Weatherall's name (RIP) into that rant about 'odd sexual behaviours' and identity politics to back up your own highly questionable take. There has always been an incredibly strong connection with Techno and fetish clubs, BDSM, etc. Not just in Berlin but there are 'Bum Dungeons' the world over where the music is the most gnarliest banging hard underground techno imaginable. Sounds more like you are worried by the fact that Techno is associated with what you conside to be deviant behaviour. In fact I imagine the BDSM community is more annoyed that their culture is turning into a TikTok meme and the visual style probably being co-opted by people who aren't interested in getting involved with BDSM and just enjoy a bit of 'edgy' cosplay.
There is zero racism in techno. That is BS
Shortening musical arrangements for streaming platform purposes seems ridiculous and in fact defeats the purpose of the techno genre. Techno tracks set a foundation for those to lose themselves in their imagination. A creative release. Techno was never created for capitalistic purposes. A contradiction if anything.
Techno is not a trend. Techno is a lifestyle.
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Probably the worst techno documentary on what is Techno today
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Techno is boring in 2023 (for the most part) and has been for a long time my $0.02 for today take it or leave it. For scene that's supposed to be about free expression and non conformity I don't see it or feel it.
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Techno is people too lazy to learn an instrument and reflect human spirit and soul. I'd rather listen to a garbage truck picking up trash.
so refreshing and exciting
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Watching this has made me sad. Coming from somebody who got into techno from 1995 to now,techno is in a really bad state and lost what made it beautiful in the first place ……it’s for everyone! It’s not about fashion, social media or money😢 to honest nobody used to care where the DJ was, the speakers was where we all congregated.
Hey listen I’m on the same team but if the genre is meant to be for anyone then shouldn’t it be for the widest audience possible? People who care about fashion, social media, and money are included in everyone, either be okay with it or change what your definition of techno is xx
In the nineties it was never the motto dance, peace and love as many Germans wanted to make it seem. The reality is that many black North American DJs suffered discrimination and there was fierce competition. Not long ago, Felix da Housecat was prevented from performing in some well-known clubs around the world! Bergain is the current mirror of everything I just mentioned... despite being a club that is purely commercial marketing money!
Yes when we used to go clubbing we would stand in groups and dance with each other or the people around us.
It's striking how the crowd now always points to the DJ booth like they're watching a rock concert.
We didn't even know where the DJ booth was sometimes!
Fabric in London still does it for me. Been going there for 22 years. The current Pioneer system is just as good as the Function One system it replaced. The bodysonic dancefloor in room one still blows my mind every time. And they still curate the best artists in the scene without selling out.
@@walterkerr1194 it was for the misfits & weirdos in the first place
A lot of people interviewed talk about pushing boundaries and progressive music, but none of the music they make does this in anyway.
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Agreed. homeboy with the Edgar mullet is an outsider coming to collect on the trendiness and popularity of the trance, hardstyle, and progressive house that’s creeping back into hard techno and doing so with zero historical knowledge or context. It’s not new or fresh, it’s cashing in on rehashed ideas people forgot about. And there are very good reasons why they were deprecated as genres. Because their popularity made them attractive as an exploitable resource. It left those genres once full of life and ingenuity into vapid soul sucking money machines. Same which is happening now. I’m fine with them calling it hard techno. But in no way is this actual true to ethics techno music, which was created as a direct response to this in the corporatism of music in the 80s.
@@seanocean Agree with you man. And if that makes me the kind of "purist" which he thinks is "not so good" I suppose I'm not so good a person, sadly. The track they play to start the "What's the spirit of techno?" section is a straight-out, deodorised pop song. The irony. I spend triple or sometimes four times the many hours I used to, to sift through the money-machine dross you're talking about in the "Techno" sections on DJ music stores and find creatively thoughtful and risky tracks to play. Also ironic given how much legwork used to be involved in finding music for sets!
The electronic music and club culture flourished when no media, no marketing gurus, no political and social agendas and no global conglomerates knew its existence or even considered it a form of art. Now it is just a commodity.
You are talking like, the club owner, promoter, DJs, artist, they just need air to survive and listen music for food.
@@haidac1661 Not at all! I am talking about Tomorrowland-like bullshit , greedy promoters, pre-recorded dj sets, documentaries like this one in which music is supposed to be the main theme but all I can see is female djs promotion (dj Rap was a top tier female dj without any extra promotion from media). I remember djs booked for 3 hours in a club but played 5 just because the vibe was dope. They still got paid very well as they should be. And don't forget people still bought cds and vinyls. Things didn't get shitty because djs or promoters / club owners were starving that is for sure (IMHO).
@@Slowlyburnedelectronics “Tomorrowland bullshit”! Only the people who never went there say that because the maine stage is commercial. But there’s 12 others stages, all underground!
There’s only one place in the world where all the DJ’s, producers, artists of Electronic music, etc, came to look what was happening in Electronic Music.
It was not Berlin, not Detroit, or even Chicago, but Belgium !
@@cyclotronbxl Massive respect for Belgium underground scene, but tomorrowland as a concept is clearly a huge marketing project. But this is just my opinion and how I see things. And I completely understand why this has happened to the electronic music and its ok.
social agendas, when politics entered the scene with its social engineering agendas then the spirit of not only techno but the whole rave movement changed. This fact is noticed by very few and its being underestimated.
Like many documentaries today, everything is seen through the optics of intersectionality, racism, gender ideology and the topic the documentary seeks to describe just becomes a parody or a secondary topic at best. Having been in the techno scene since the early 90's, I can not think of a more accepting and inclusive culture. To portray the techno scene as a place where gender queers, females and blacks have had some monumental struggle is just absurd. The irony is that the imaginary hierarchies that are sought to be disposed off are instead replaced by even more hierachical and intolerant power structures where you almost need to fit into some of the mentioned intersectional categories to come into the spotlight. The faceless techno of the past where the role of the individual was downplayed and the music itself was the focus has long gone. This documentary is nothing less than propaganda and synthesises a fable about what the techno scene is and have been. A revisionist fable without little connection to reality. On the topic of cultural appropriation, this documentary appropriates, revises, twists and contorts what techno is really about.
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@@DWHistoryandCulture Yes, but seeing the techno culture through the optics of intersectional struggle produces a warped image. Seeing something that was never there in the first place. Its is a difference between having an open mind and believing in your own
hallucinations.
Techno was never about identity politics. It’s about conveying feelings and sentiment in a purer way than words ever could. Vendex explained this all too well when he said that “techno could say with no words more than you ever could with 1000 words”, or something to that effect at least. Many of the harder DJs are fed up with the state of the world and you can tell by the dystopian vocal samples. They really don’t care at all about politics or anything other than giving their audience a good time in the face of a living nightmare.
''Techno is harder, faster and more diverse than ever.'' this couldnt be farther from truth ... technoculture literally got destroyed over the past 10 years
The genre got faster and pushed to its extreme a long time ago. Now the mainstream techno is largely based recreating the same sound from the past.
Face it people, we got old!
The sound of the future is still stuck in 1992!
@@JB9000x some are still keeping it relatively real. I listened to a Slam (soma) mix the other day. Still had their old vibes.
Luckily I’m alive. You will hear my name in the future.
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"What some, mostly younger people that learned everything on TikTok, THINK is techno is harder, faster and more diverse than ever.''
I'd argue that it isn't necissarily harder. It may feel that way, but all that TikTok "techno" is cheesy AF!!! IMO cheesy cannot = hard... It's just fast.
The years before and shortly after the year 2000 were truly golden. There was high-quality music, freedom, diversity, and great energy. The fact that we used to prepare for every party, not just to keep up with fashion but to be in sync with the music, is something sorely missed today. Back then, information came from a few radio shows, and we all recorded on cassette tapes and swapped recordings. There was a powerful magic in going to a party, where the DJ would take you on a journey without you knowing what they'd play. We attended techno, trance, house parties, absorbing every sound. As the years went by, we developed our tastes, knowing what we liked and having preferences. All the DJs who came during that time are legends, and except for a few names, like Adam Bayer and Marco Carola, who changed their style, most of the others still play quality techno and haven't succumbed to the garbage that has infiltrated the scene. At one of my recent festivals, I had the feeling I was at a pop festival, not a techno festival. I strongly hope that anyone daring to become a DJ first looks back at history, takes the time to listen to true, unadulterated techno, and then immerses themselves in this wonder.
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Yeah that's when I saw the biggest change, at least here in the US, it went from warehouse party's promoted with flyers in the 90s to concert like events sold at ticket master in the early 00s. If there wasn't a danger of it getting shut down by the fire department I wouldn't even really call that a rave party and definitely not underground. The energy changed too after that, for the worse. And yeah Adam Bayer is probably the guy that made techno my favorite genre back then. There's nothing better during primetime hours at a warehouse party with a giant speaker wall than techno. It's hypnotic, energetic and I like how it's faceless, unless you're really familiar with an artists style you never know what you're listening to and it's near impossible to figure out, I always loved that mysterious sort of feeling with it
There is still underground techno but this is definitely not it, and it's harder and harder to fight for it. Social media and especially TikTok killing the real spirit and sound of it, business techno is rampant, and new generations of kids don't know any better at least the majority in the US.
Techno and other electronic music styles are safe. We do not need Vogue to tell us to be our selves, we do not need a permission from main stream, or from anyone, to do anything. I welcome everybody to the scene, they might come because of social media but stay for the music. Or they leave when something else becomes hip, it does not matter. Social media might have an influence on some superficial level and techno will evolve like it has always done, but it will always stay independent and undergroud, at least the main part of it.
11:45 that is the biggest cringe ever 😂
Absolutely!!!
Techno/House was always known for being diverse and open minded since day one. Everybody who knows anything about it will acknowledge the vital role the queer and black communities played in the development of these genres. To act like there is some sort of struggle going on nowadays is just laughable. Also the discussion about commercial vs underground has been going on since at least 1991 when Moby's hit single "Go" reached top ten chart positions in the UK and The Netherlands. I just think techno now is kind of in a position where trance was in the late 90's/ early 2000's. And of course, social media ruins techno, like it ruins everything.
Queer and black communities didn't play a mayor role in the rise of Techno. This docu has flaws all over the place and is just another woke agenda. Techno was nothing before white straight European people were buying these records and were booking USA dj's. Techno never was about skin colour or anti discrimination. It was for everybody. That's why you never see titles or lyrics in house or techno about discrimination. DW history is just another anti art/freedom of expression woke outlet trying to harvest clicks and likes. NEXT!
Trance in the late 90's / early 2000's was still trance. This shit they're calling techno is anything but.
This video could have gone from good to awesome by not forcing this nonsensical gender and equality shit into it, it's only in the commercialized pop EDM that nonissues like this are considered important
It was the Black community. The Queer part is thrown in their by white media to spread the credit to other non black communities
Techno has developed into pop multiple times here in Europe. Rave, Happy Hardcore, Trance, Psytrance, Hardstyle and Jump to name a few.
None of that is techno.
@@Gavintech they all share a common origin.
@@roeland1205 in the same way Morbid Angel is an evolution of Elvis, I guess.
But in reality no they don't. If we want to give them a common origin house is their common ancestor. Not techno.
@@Gavintech house is the OG, except maybe possibly disco was. Anyway, techno definetely is a shared ancestor of which all genres evolved over the past 3 decades. That my point, and you can't deny that.
@@roeland1205 I can, and will. None of that music shares history or structure with early techno. It all comes from house (even if the Dutch and Belgians mistakenly called their early hardcore stuff techno).
Can you do the same video for the Rave scene in Lebanon, The Balkans or something in between?
The biggest problem for Techno today is that everyone keeps calling their music techno, when its not. 90% of this music getting called techno is actually trance. Melodic Techno is just rebranded Progressive Trance, Peak Time Techno is rebranded hard trance, hard dance & Hard Techno is Hardcore & Gabba rebranded, and none of it is innovative or pushing boundaries as actual techno music always does.
Also the modern scene is saturated with Instagram model DJs who are often average DJs, and use Ghost producers to make music but have 300k subs because they look good in bikinis.
These same "fans" who follow the instgram models are people who think Skrillex invented techno, so think they have found the "underground", when in reality EDM just rebranded itself Techno. Dont worry though they are already moving over to Psytrance now, so won't be long before the instagram model DJs get their dreadlocks glued in and hire new ghost producers..
FUCK I LOVE THIS COMMENT! Couldn't be more spot on. "Melodic techno" is just formulaic club progressive house from 20 years ago. "Hard techno" isn't techno but some combination of hardstyle and sometimes gabber... & the biggest of them all, the "Charlotte De Wit "techno" is fucking psytrance, and has been for years now.
Sad what happened but I wonder if eventually these people, not the DJs but the kids, will find their way to proper shit? If there's going to be a silver lining that's it.
P.S. No one knows WTF tech house is anymore either. I think TikTok and COVID made that happen too.
@@GavintechI'm new to the scene and I'd love to know more of your knowledge, sir. Now that you mention it, Charlotte's music does bear a resemblance to Psytrance, and probably other DJs are somewhat in the same situation. Could you enlighten me to what Techno really is?
@@atnguyenkhoathanh583 Richie Hawtin - Decks, EFX, & 909
@@Gavintech Thank you
@@Gavintech yes an accurate description of sad state of the mainstream techno scene. Funny part is we get called old by zoomers who think they are innovating in techno music with their regurgitated trance music and 160bpm white noise with 1990s Hoover an horn stabs. 🤣 I'm also not feeling this whole pesudo goth black leather and BDSM gear cult who call themselves "ravers", this is an insult to rave culture.
I remember when techno nights were rocking up in old, comfortable clothes, old trainers etc, no pretentious "uniforms" and judging those not conforming to a set style, and there was certainly no virtue signalling or political bs mixed into it. Its also such a shame that anything with a 4/4 kick nowadays is calling itself techno.
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@@DWHistoryandCulture he's right though, as an old timer, all these kids in fetishwear who, in five years, will be accountants married and living in the suburbs is beyond bizarre
I don't know what this documentary is trying to tell but it has little to do with techno. There is enough interesting stuff around if you have a good ear.
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Care to list some artists? Clubbing is rather difficult here atm. so my experiences are focused on festivals / small parties. A lot of time in between.
totally agree,, this is lame techno, fake and superficial ‘this scene of this video’
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For me techno is freedom. just be you
in the past years since the pandemic techno parties don t feel the same anymore....
everyone dances, dresses, behaves the same... even in smaller clubs
But i think that is going to change again once we adapted to the social media influence
yep very true
Love the just be you part. On the other hand, techno is becoming: be like me esthetically... fit in... free expression is dying.
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Fully agreed
Everyone i see at parties dominated by techno all look, dress, act, speak, and feel the same way. It's like a room full of lemmings dressed in black trying too hard. No clue what it was like 20 years ago maybe it was different then.
Experimentation and the creative risk-taking never happens in the mainstream. No genre has its best iconic and ground-breaking work in the mainstream part of its "catalogue".
Thank you for your input! You're absolutely right that revolutionary steps in music hardly ever come from within the mainstream.
for me the 90s/00s golden era techno style was the best, lots of variation in tracks, not so hard mastered, more lofi & dynamics. After 2008 or something everybody went full on minimal, with the exception of a few djs like ben sims. After that, i think around 2012, techno became more mainstream, you got harder kicks and it became a lot darker. Since a few years there has been really good golden era influenced techno coming out, but you have to search for it. the mainstream became even weirder with age of love remix from charlotte de witte and that other guy. Now deborah de luca has a remix of robert miles - childeren, and plays even remixes of abba tracks. That whole mainstream is more rave oriented and far more commercial than the underground. I wouldnt even call the mainstream techno. For me personally i hope that techno becomes more underground again.
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I'm aware that a lot of people are frustrated with the scene nowadays. I am a newcomer and now wondering that you mentioned there are golden era-influnenced techno being released recently, can you share with me some of them please?
@@atnguyenkhoathanh583 beau didier, undivulged, baugruppe90, isaiah, shdw & obscure shape
@@typemismatch2712 Massive thanks to you, sir!
Kraftwerk, Moebius and Conny Plank started experimenting with electronic music in the 60s and 70s, laying the foundation for the genre. The Detroit artists then mixed these sounds with House music and gave it the name Techno. This new genre quickly gained popularity and has since evolved into various sub-genres with a global following.
Great summary!
DAWs like Ableton & FL Studio have contributed to the downfall of originality when producing electronic based music. Add in an oversaturation of plug-ins for DAWs, most producers experience a thing called "option paralysis" where they have too many options to choose from, so they stick to whatever plug ins & DAWs the pros use (Sylenth, Massive, FL Studio, etc) along with the oversaturation of the sample pack industry (BILLIONS upon billions of samples online) and you have a recipe for staleness.
As a producer, I started seeing this around 2011 and switched to a hardware based set up and started building a studio full of gear from the early 2000s to the present. A lot of gear is expensive, but I enjoy being able to play an instrument like a synth that I can actually feel & experiment with different guitar pedals to get sounds & tones that can't be recreated on software (unless you get a plug in, lol).
I enjoy jamming out & seeing where the music takes me, instead of me forcing the music to sound how I want. I can't stand using computers to produce and design sound, I only use them to record, mix & master.
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Yep totally agree with you - forget menu diving, screens and presets. . it’s far more ‘real’ using hardware, synths, modular systems etc. . i like to keep things analogue too. I feel the same about vinyl when it comes to DJ’ing. Over twenty years ago I was using old analogue synths (even my Stylophone 350S I’ve had since a kid) and guitar pedals along with turntables to DJ live.
I hope we won't see tracks shortening in duration. It's really nice to have a longer track to listen to!
Try modular artists, which sessions last as their inspiration allows it. Jam techno. Eurorack heads and stuff. Djs are amazing, but beat makers are keeping the 🔥 alive.
the same bass and hi-hat repeated for 2 mins though? don't that get boring?
@Alex-gk6gu I understand you and respect your opinion. I was giving an option. Is not boring for others and I guess alot of people enjoy it and your opinion matters.know that 👍🙂. Which Techno styles do you enjoy the most?
Try Robag Whrume, John Tejada, Objekt, Blawan, etc....guys like this are consistently underground. Not the hardest techno, but brilliant regardless. They've done hard techno of course. Everyone now associates Charlotte DeWitte and Adam Beyer with techno, which is where it starts to go south.
i like ebm-ish faster techno, like LAVEN and klangkustler, what about u?
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The grandpas can cry all they want, but they can't hold techno back!
No drugs, no techno (as it is in nowdays).
Unfortunatly both goes hand in hand. I'm all about music, art and expression, but seems like nowadays big part of "mainstream" scene are run as hudge enterprises, where, big name clubs, rental companies, promoter agencies and different beverage brands are legal side of it and "underground" drug market as illegal or "dark" side of that scene and both sides are benefiting hudge on it.
It turns around hudge amout of money worldwide. The same scheme are running almost everywhere in world, at least in western hemisphere and than comes internet with its own game with lot of "artists" gaining popularity tru social media and often its not much about music as it is about artist image it self.
Weird world we living in...
"Underground resistance" ✊️
this sounds more like a eulogy by those who have only a passing knowledge of the deceased.
most of the music in this video is not techno, it's pop-techno-garbage
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Huge misunderstanding between underground and experimental in this documentary. Not a single artist who is underground would present their craft with music videos and speak to an interview about how his/her's underground music is expanding spheres etc. Due to social media techno is very commercial now, it lacks substance and creativity, unfortunately the underground is dead and techno is going straight downhill. It is quite obvious in my opinion that harder styles of techno is transforming into hardstyle and more emotional/melodic styles of techno is transforming into trance.
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harder faster more diverse than ever
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this is almost a parody lmfao
"The message is party, dude!" in German: "Die Message ist Feierei, Alder!" Sven Väth do a lot for the scene, Thanx to Baba Sven!
A lot (of Verspultsein and Hessen) gets lost in that translation though haha…
What a poor documentary, sorry. You just did not talk about the future of music, and totally ignored the real revolution. I talk from my perspective and experience, dedicating my life and love to experimental electronic music.
Thank you, I strongly agree.
Techno didn't change much. It is just sparkled with the elements of the current zeitgeist. This documentary contributes to shaping this narrative about a lost something.
Also, electronic music is so diversified... I don't expect any documentary to ever mention Hardgroove, Prog. House revival, Phonk House or Kawaii Futurecore which, ironically turns out to be more underground than the current hardtechno-centric scene.
@@maeldnt exactly. Electronic is bigger than this. Techno is bigger than this. Music is bigger than this.
It's an interesting watch but they're trying to fit too much into a short video that fits their narrative.
Reminds me of a short TV segment rather than a true documentary crafted by people who actually know and were there.
And too many advert breaks.
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Kobosil is one of the worst things happened to techno. This charachter is opposite to everything techno stands for!
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I agree with many of the commenters here. I remember it used to be much more melodic, colorful and interesting back in the 90's. Today it's just a refection of insane leftest ideology. Thanks.
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I think Maxi Jazz from Faithless deserves a lot of credit for breaking racism in the techno scene. God Bless his soul in heaven !!!
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This is cultural propaganda
that's not techno that's a woke video
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Why cant u just talk about techno?
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Yeah we used to know how to have fun in the 80s and 90s
Idk, a lot of things shown and said has nothing to do with techno to me.
Its about dancing and falling into a rabbit hole.
Its not about diversity but instead not giving a shit about who the other person is but simply enjoying them being next to you.
And it certainly got nothing to do with business and money.
I for one am happy to live in a city where this is still being lived today. 😊