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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video, I'm still in new Zealand for Crankworx Rotorua, and its finals day and as you may have seen all over the world of mtb the male athlete didnt competing which I explain why that was at the end of this video,
but this was the first ever woman's diamond level Slopestyle event was good to see all the girls riding and throwing down.
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The Idea that you put your bodies on the line for so little money is ludicrous. It appears that the 'money' behind these events has been banking on you guys loving what you do more than understanding what you need. More power to you for taking a stand.
Paid what you're worth, just like women's football wanting more pay. No one really watches it
@@VvvnimaLI think this is fair to say. Mountain biking is not among the most popular sports. It's been lucky to have the support to grow to level it's at and I'm not sure where it goes from here as far as this particular competition. Did the hand the feeds get bitten? We'll find out
They don't have to ride bikes they can get real jobs and just ride for fun
Well done for making a stand, the company's that sponsor and run these events earn enough to make sure that the people they rely on for the competition and their content can be paid well for their participation
Tom, you are a living leg and absolutely fair play to you and all the crew for just standing up to the corporate bollocks that is crankworx
Okay that Max impression was p e r f e c t
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Genuinely thought it was max at first 😅
I just turned 60, its great to see you guys stand up for safety, you made a point and that commands respect!!
You are all professional athletes. When you look at what professional athletes in other sports get, they are not treated this way.
So I commend all of you for standing up for yourselves. I support your decision. You put your bodies and lives in the line for them and they are not willing to compensate you fairly for it.
WTF. £75 pay to ride for the whole event for coming last?!?! Unless you have tons of sponsors it's definitely not economically viable.
So if you pay them 2000 euro it will become a demo why even try to win
Got any idea how much they have to pay to travel to these worldwide events?
Got any idea how much their expenses are whilst attending these events?
Got any idea how little support they have if they get a career ending injury?
Got any idea about anything?
As for the 'it's just a show, they have to qualify to take part, if they drop down the rankings they drop out of the next competition.
PS you think Emil isn't going to continue to set the bar for everyone else to rise too?
@TheMentalj, you obviously have no understanding of how things work.
I got a lot of respect for you for this. Solidarity with the riders and taking a stand for what's right. You're an inspiration for doing the impossible and now for taking a stand ✊🏻
Love how you did make this about the girls comp first and foremost! Respect
If it's hard for a top rider like you, imagine how impossible is for a Brazilian rider to qualify and compete in Crankworxs? Great day for the womans that was fun and sad day for the mens. Let's hope next event everybody is happy 🤙🏼✌🏻🤟🏻
I would be asking for full transparency - a complete breakdown of the financials (P&L) for these events: How much money do they make and what % of that constitues payments to riders? If they're comfortable with the ethics of how the event is being run why wouldn't they share this detail, right? Ps. Epic riding as always - darkfest!!!
Exactly, I don’t think there is much money in MTB sports, nothing like football anyway. Saying that €2000 plus accommodation and expenses for a pro rider that brings in the crowds ain’t a lot to ask.
for those who complain you me we werent at the show... why? travel, time, expenses, obligations, work, etc... and you didn't have to worry about the hospital. imagine having all that and threat of loss of sponsorship, injury, etc...
Tom we get it. Be ambassadors of the new world and get paid for what you do. The sponsors have so much money for a reason...
Isted is the record holder. if he had crashed it wouldnt have been red bull giving him wings.
Ronaldo has records too... mainly in earnings...
I would love a complete and comprehensive break down of how this all works! What does insurance cost, is it site or country specific, if your country has health care do need to purchase more? How much is it? Do you have to pay for plane tickets or it that the organizer or sponsor? What exactly is the prize money after local taxes you have to pay? 100% support you all and glad to see you take a stand.
What I understand is that the total dollar value that "redbull/crankworx" couldn't afford to pay you guys. Was the appearance money only? Which if I'm not mistaken was €32000?
How can a milti million dollar event not have that kind of funds available?
Well done for standing your ground ✊
Mate well done for speaking out I think u all did the right thing it has to change,
I hope they make the required changes to slope style so many kids around the world watch and wonder how they can get to that level, and to see that in the end of all the hard work that has gone into their life won’t be rewarded the way it should is heart breaking 😢
Mass respect to all the guys 👏👊 I hope it gets sorted
Huge big up to you and all the riders!! Well done guys!
Respect man, its ridiculous that they can't agree on what you guys asked for. The fact you pay for what you do etc esp if you come in last or get injured is ridiculous. Surprised the events gone on this long as it is.
Fucking awesome. Congrats, ladies!
Appreciate your stance on the whole thing.
Why weren’t the ladies part of the strike? Oh, bc they got special treatment
I was stunned to find out there are no appearance fees. I thought there had to be
Stand strong guys. Sucks not having the competition to enjoy but you guys deserve a better shake than that! I was under the impression you fellas made decent coin. That’s an absolute disgrace what you describe. Step up your game promoters or whatever is responsible and give these fellas what they deserve.
Respect Tom 🇬🇧
I’m hoping riders take things fully into their own hands and start hosting their own events for slope style in the same sort of spirit as dark fest. Aware it is a lot of work but would be exciting to see!
Stick it to them boys... they need you and should treat you accordingly.
If you think this is bad you should see how much it costs to try and become a racecar driver. Sadly some sports are for the rich or well sponsord only. I cant say if this is because the money isnt there to make it viable or if its just a case that rich kids will take the spots so there's no need to change. It will be super interesting to see how this all pans out 🍿
Tom... question ....was there already talk amongst the riders before you guys even entered New Zealand of a stoppage protest or was that started and planned there ❓❓
Hope all riders get a better deal for all future events ❗❗
Cheers to you 🤟🎶
This all makes me wonder if the outcome eventually is the rider invites become more regional for each respective event?
Whoever did that impression of max was almost spot on!! Hahaha shame about the state of mtb in 2024
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Y’all have the full support and respect of the fans. Thanks for the update!!
Time to step up Crankworx.
Didn't something similar happen at rampage and they did something about it?
For a second there I actually thought that was Max 🤣
The problems starts when those who do it for the love of it work for those who do it for the money.
(As a collegue of mine in VFX once put it, years ago)
The organisers must earn well from this with all the spectators there they should be on top of this kind of thing
My ex father-in-law organized the UCI Junior Peace Race for Road Cyclists in the Czech Republic for more than 20 years. For each an every event he had to come up with the money to cover accommodation, 3 meals a day as well as the insurance for the whole event (covering individual health issues as well as accidents for all riders). And he never ever had any large media coverage as Crankworx has.
As far as I know, the same is true fir any UCI event.
I bow my heads to all of You who decided to not longer put up with the circumstances forced an you by Crankworx.
They should be ashamed of themselves.
keep my fingers crossed you (the riders) will finally be heard and understood and circumstances will change for you…..
Shite not to see you guys throw it down but nothing but respect for that
You need to know how much money the event organisers make before you can estimate your worth, anyone know how much profit they make after salaries and expenses?
if you can afford to pay a full time personal filmer to come all the way to nz, you obviously get paid enough.
Our local High Schools have over 100 students on their mtb teams. Chive TV is always on at the local EOS gym. $12,000 Pivots are hanging off the backs of cars in Arkansas. I feel slopestyle could be much bigger if it was promoted better. Not only do you not get paid enough but they don't do a very good job of promoting the sport. If they can't generate enough advertising dollars to get you paid that's their problem they need to figure it out. Find a savvy entrepreneur and go in a different direction. Have you seen what the Rabil bros are doing for Lacrosse in the US?
Every ride you want it to be your best ride but when the conditions are unsafe then you're not riding at 💯 but the risk levels are much higher, and you don't brake bones and place 3rd? You only cover expenses!? Where's the benefits and what's the reality for the 5 that didn't make podium. Respect for making a stand 👍
Until the riders are transparent about their sponsors and money in totality with the events, we as spectators don't really understand. I can sympathize with the risk you are going trhough, but I also don't have all the data to say "hey i support your arguments". All we can really say is "hey i like you and got your back, but I have no f'in clue"
You all don't get sponsored without the sponsors knowing you are making tv appearances or a sizable social media presence. We don't understand all of the contracts either. The riders also can have non exclusivity on events they compete at so you can take the money from other places. They can also get bonuses by competing. Also how do you put a number on the presence your social media gets because you competed, that too turns into dollars. Your livlihood is funded by your skill on the bike from many places.
I doubt most of the sponsors would even pay without you going to comps and part of the money you get make is because people see the brands you are riding at these events, the average person buys products and the the riders are part of the marketing budget. Everyone involved in these needs a lot of money to make it happen.
Solidarity dudes!
The event runs as a not for profit. Its not as if organisers are making money that they aren't cutting you in on.
When you can earn more money by doing kids MTB course in a day then in Rotorua, then you know it's fucked up and greed by organizers.
I wouldn't even brother turning up if invited, if that's all you get for coming last $140 / £75 pounds, having to pay for flights, accommodation and insurance out of your own pocket, when your taking all the risk with those big tricks and puting yourself in danger if something was to go wrong!, it's not worth it!.
If you are just getting started and have no sponsorship deals how are you going to keep funding this!, you will be in debt. There needs to be some change within the sport where the riders get paid well for attending to help with costs incurred while travelling and attending these events or there needs to be sponsors that riders ride for who help with costs during these events otherwise you will end up with no events because nobody will turn up for it, due to the rubbish money being offered againist the risk/cost taken by the riders.
£75!!!! That’s absolutely pathetic. No wonder you all said no 😢
I find this very strange from the riders. It's not up to the event to pay you to attend, there's prize money for that. The event organisers are there to pay for and look after the event and event staff. The payment for riders to attend should be done so by the athlete, team and sponsors. If you riders have an issue with that, talk to your sponsors. Never in the history of events at any level or sport does the event organisers pay for the athletes to attend. I see this as absurd that the riders made this demand. The FIA doesn't pay drivers to attend or feed the drivers at the F1, their team with sponsor money does, same goes for any sport anywhere. I'm a huge fan of you current day riders, but now, not so much. After over 3 decades in the bike and motorsport industry, I'm shocked and saddened you've all become delusional and privileged... Those supporting you guys really don't know how events, sponsorship and the real world works. Sad.
I don't see anything wrong with the existing pay structure. The real income that riders can generate from this event is from monetised content on TH-cam and other channels, and from sponsorship arrangements. If you're not very good at your job, or you are new to the sport and unproven, you don't get paid as much. That's the same with any career choice or industry.
the real males performed and the real females didn’t 😂😂
Podium purses for Red Bull MTB events, for example, are laughable considering the amount of money they spray everywhere else (ahem, TWO Formula 1 teams?!), plus MTB at this level is every bit as dangerous as F1. Time for the riders to be treated like the fucking daredevil rock stars that they are. Ladies included!
Thank you for clearly and concisely expressing your groups concerns. All valid reasons to make the decisions which you made. I hope you enjoy your continued success in the mtb industry. Shred on!
Well done to all the riders showing solidarity. If you had a riders association, or a company to represent you all, then you could insist on contracts being negotiated up front and you'd get a better event for everyone. Get a safety expert to provide evidence of when is the safest part of the day to ride at each location. Should help with the insurance situation, simple mitigation of risk is evidence they can't ignore. Stay united.
Why were Red Bull / Monster and other large sponsors not in there negotiating alongside you? They are the ones with the pockets to put on an alternate series if needs be, or at least end partnerships with events that won't work for mutual benefit, so they have far more leverage than just the riders do to help rebalance the burdens across this event ecosystem.
look at rampart, rider gets 10k that are to cover dig-team + rider expense.
Sounds like there needs to be some transparency in regards to where all the money comes from and goes to, because in situations like this the athletes typically only get what you see here - a little bit of money for the top 5 or 10, plus some sponsor trinkets or goody bags for the rest which in some places like in the US you may have to end up paying taxes on besides, meanwhile the athletes are left with large travel and lodging expenses that eventually drive them out of the sport if they can't find a solid sponsor willing to help cover them. There is significant money coming in from the sponsors to have their names plastered all over, plus broadcast rights and similar things. Where does all that go? Mostly to the organizers/hosts who make claims about the costs associated with putting on the events but never reveal any accounting.
Damn! I was waiting to see your comp run but it’s awesome to see you guys stand up for what’s right! Hopefully they wake up and take care of you guys! 🍻
We need more of this ,we are not their lambs ! stand tall and demand what you are owed.
I always assumed the invited riders had accommodation and travel expenses covered. Bit of a shock. Idk about the appearance fee, but def travel and accommodation should be on them.
I'm proud of you and the other riders for standing up for yourselves. Of course you'd all rather ride--striking was an act of courage.
Glad Emil and everyone is staying with y’all
With you all the way, it would appear that Crankworx are not respecting some of their core values as posted on their own website, especially as regards to health both mental and physical.
If riders are having to be concerned with cost of accomadation/transport/insurance, before even getting to ride before a paying crowd and the possibsility of getting some remuneration towards covering those costs, it is going to have an impact on their mental health .
Good luck to all the riders with their stance.
As I said on Max's vid: 32k + travel/housing accommodations per event is a rounding error for corps like Red Bull, Monster, Shimano, Fox, etc etc. It's a damn shame you riders have to take such drastic measures to make your point known over (what is at the end of the day) insignificant money to the people making the most off of these events.
i stand with yall bro
I hope you guys don’t ride another crankworx unless your demands are met. You guys are the only reason there is a competition in the first places. It’s absolutely disgusting how you guys have been treated! 💪👊
I figured that the last place guys were operating at a loss, but for 3rd place at the pinnacle of slopestyle to only break even is absurd, no wonder even Emil was behind the strike.
What bothers me as well is that every event it seems that some of the course still isnt finished while you are practising, features havent even been test ridden to see if they work. Considering they have a whole year to get it ready its just unacceptable.
I think extreme sports athletes, especially slopestyle riders are seen as 'rebels' and the 'bad boys' etc of the sport, they have the stereotype of going out partying and acting like hoons, people who arent to be taken seriously... but in recent years this has changed and riders are now for the most part a professional act, unfortunately it looks as though the industry and event organisers still don't take the slopestyle athletes seriously, as reflected in their continuing dismissal of your letters and demands toward slopestyle events.
Support the riders!!!!!!!!!
why are all the big sponsors not more involved with these events? having sponsors is pointless unless they are paying out. Its really good that you supported the girls out there and just a shame that they wouldnt do more to keep you guys riding.
these days most sponsors are free gear with maybe some royalties on some sales of goods.... Dont seem like anyone these days but a very small few are making money off this sport or any extreme sport these days purley from sponsors.
But.. If you get more money... They get less money! LOL. Thing they seem to forget is without you guys they don't have an event. Hopefully this strike/ whatever you want to call it changes their perspective. Events 20 years ago were supposed to be a display of talent. Too bad todays contest focus mainly on eye balls and profit and not actually the contest.
I really think it's a tricky situation. In the end, I believe it falls on the sellers of products to cough up the prize money to allow these events to transpire and give them opportunity to advertise their products to the likely interested viewer. I understand the riders. I think it's time for an independent rider series promoted and produced by the riders themselves. We've witnessed peak economic era, but it's on the slide now and these corps are losing sales as people tighten their wallets. On the corporate level, they ain't feeling the vibe anymore. these are dudes in suits so remember that. LOL
Can’t wait for the day when they pay extreme sports athletes the same or better than traditional sports. I don’t care how fucking tech golf is to play, nothing compares to these dudes hitting big ass jumps that could kill them or surfing gnarly waves. Soon people will care more about these guys, hope I get to see it happen.
Its about damn time pro bikers start talking about money! We will never make headway if we don't talk about money. This goes for every industry out there. Keeping money a secret ONLY benefits those in charge. People, talk to your coworkers and friends about money. Raise the standards and raise everyone.
Corporate greed, the only way to beat it is to dictate the terms!
Do it another way ... attend, but just put jumps in, no tricks, just plain, boring jumps. See what they say then! Throw down for yourselves in practise, whatever, but when it comes to the actual 'contest', just don't .. 😜
I don't know your exact requests, but flights for 16 riders + hotel + food should be like 3k€ per person. It's ridiculous if they don't even wanna pay this.
@@Sqwelch 36k nowadays is basically nothing. If they can't find someone to even pay this, then it's clearly the issue of crankworx management and not the riders fault. Or do you think the organizers are not paying any money to themselves also? I doubt it.
@@SqwelchI didn't want to argue against you I was just thinking "loud" and your comment just proved the riders point even more
The riders should be the highest payed at these sort of events!
Thanks Tom. It's good to see you all band together. Money is tight these days but some one out there has enough to boost the funds. Maybe time to get out of sport backers. This is only one issue and for up and coming riders it's massive job. And simple safety. I mean it's not that difficult surely but it appears it is. So big shout out for all you who stand for a better future.
Hey Tom you had some good practice runs. I’m sure you had a winning run in your bag. But good luck to all the riders and hopefully everything follows through
We stand with y'all! I agree, it doesn't add up. They are making plenty of money and I guarantee they aren't flying and traveling on their own dime!
Why not do your own events?
Watch Sam Reynolds's episode/clips of The Ride Companion podcast regarding putting on DarkFest to get a better idea of what that involves, time, money & effort-wise...
@@ManWalksDogs I saw that and I think Darkfest is a great example. Riders didn’t like the events available / direction of freeride and did it themselves. Slope riders have built compounds, have excavators, have sponsors, and produce their own content. Live streaming has can be and is done by amateurs. Is it easy, no, but is it worth it? I think so. Full control of judging, payment, course, time of event , etc. Plus, in the long run it may be easier than continuing with the status quo.
@Observations67 does anyone get paid at dark fest? I got the impression it costs over $200,000 to pay out like 12 k in prize money. I gather there aren't any paying spectators, so that is entirely money from the sponsors. Say Monster puts in 60 k of that, do you think they sold enough addiontal beverages to recover that? I suspect not.
@@mattpatt It’s not a 1-1 comparison but it’s a framework that illustrates that this is feasible. The better example would be Clawworks. Darren did everything for the riders except for maybe the appearance fee. The money the slope riders are asking from Crankworks is really shockingly low. Raising that might be an easier task than continuing to negotiate with a group that isn’t listening.
I think it would be Rad to get some more Rider thrown events for the Riders & Fans going that are Fan funded by donations.
I'm sure MTB fans would gladly help support the sport we love so much and those in it : )
Dude 🧊T any logical person and trying to make a living should understand!!
You are beyond a professional badass and you should be getting paid that type of money!
No need to apologize.
Why don't sponsors support they younger folk?
Local business usually sponsor new and upcoming, except those sports that the country you live in supports. Then there is nasjonal teams.
The hole topic around this is to much for me to type😅
I wish i could understand when he was talking
I think it's a good thing what you guys are going for, but the shit talking about the conditions and just general vibe that came across at the beginning was a bit petty. Keep it classy and less winge'y definitely a better look for the sport
Are you riders competing at Crankworx Innsbruck?
I like the base, base, base, The buttery biscuit base. lmao
You guys did the right thing, you all deserve better, fans are behind you 100%. Help create the future of the sport that athletes deserve
this is the video ive been waiting for haha *edit* shocking state of affairs should have a much bigger purse..
Why did the girls ride, are they not in the same position?
great video tom
100% with you guys and your decision. It's disgraceful what they're offering when you look at what premiere league footballers get paid!
Just curious...why did the women ride ?? Do they get everything the guys get ??
This was first ever crankworkx slopestyle event for women category. Thats why.
@@pki2127that still doesn’t explain the special treatment they got. Did the men get paid for the first ever slipestyle event? Please be smarter
@@huckfin1598 I'm not defending women category - they are 20 years behind guys. Skill gap between men and the ladies is CRAZY. "Did the men get paid for the first ever slipestyle event?" - what a dumb question?! 20 years ago slopestyle mtb was just brand new sport so how do you think? You can't compare it!!!
@@pki2127so why do they get to skip to the end result without having the work for it? You just proved my point.
@@huckfin1598 That's how the world works, whether we want or not.
There is no doubt you guys are underpaid, vs the skills and the work that you all put on. Not even talking about the risks on your health. You guys are superhuman. But I think you guys are barking on the wrong tree. Crankworks is a competition, nothing else. Not a demo or a show where they just ask you to perform whatever you want. As a result, your sponsors should pay you to attend these competitions: traveling, hotels, food should all be covered by your sponsors, not you or the competition organizers… it’s like that in I think almost all the sports. I’m involved in Motorsports and no series are covering travel, hotel, food for the competitors. The sponsors are there to cover all that, including your salary…
Why did they provide it for all the female riders then?
Riders everywhere should get paid for what they do. People are making money off it. If they cannot cover their basic expenses, in this case taking care of their riders, than they shouldn't be in business. When I was a youth I got the airfare and hotels covered for my death metal band to be on tour. There is a lot less money in that and they still covered it. It's for the love of the sport unless you're the one making money off of it.
Not everyone invited to this event has sponsors. Is your memory hole that big? Tom himself didn't have a bike sponsor until 2023 Darkfest where he more than earned Trek's $$$. The ENTIRE point of this strike is so the young talent has a chance to compete.
Then the invite should have been to SPONSORS and not individual riders. Please be smarter. Most motor sports are entered by sponsors and manufacturers teams. Not individual riders and drivers
@@andrewlewis4253 I hear you but is it the responsibility of the competition organizer? I don't know any sport in the world where competition organizers would pay for travel, hotel or food expenses. It's always responsibility of the athlete if he/she decides to sign up. And athletes at this level of skills have sponsors. They should ask their sponsors for more money to cover these events. Again I'm not saying their claims are bogus, just that they shoot the wrong guy.
Yeah, I don't get it. You guys are professional athletes. They need to do better. And to be 100% honest, I only watch these events to watch my favourite athletes that I follow on youtube etc. I tune in because of the year round effort and entertainment each of you provide.
Thanks for the clarity and keep trying to find a solution that works for every party involved, and don't forget to include the women in this as well.
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Had no idea how bad it is
We just figured it was all expenses paid
Absolute joke
I hope another company sees the worth a steals the show
And does it right by the riders🙏🏻
I don’t think anyone will think you guys are being unreasonable you should be paid for what you do and not just a min wage day rate about time pros we’re put before profit ,, now don’t get me wrong you have to make money from an event but if you pay peanuts your gonna get monkeys
its not just them the trainers companys make loads of money and i feel they dont really put the money back into the sports not the cool ones anyway.
Darren Kinnaird probably flew in first class, and a corner suite aye.
Keep it up! You guys are the reason why this is such a kickass sport!!!
"That's why i jumped it" best flex ever
Respect to you and all the riders!
It sucked flying up to Rotorua to watch crankworx standing in the rain watching everything except the men's slope style it was one of the main reasons we went to watch ⛳
That sucks man, but it’s Crankworx that caused that to happen, not the riders. No need to guilt Tom, write to Crankworx and demand they pay the riders properly so it doesn’t happen again
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