I’m just glad it doesn’t have those damn tiny screws that the HRM Dual and some of Garmin’s other HRMs had. Every time I changed the battery I risked destroying the case, and twice did.
Polar hands down makes the best heart rate straps, I had the same one for 4 years until I switched to garmin and now I have a broken strap with device about every 2 years ugh
@@likemarksee from my experience suunto strap just disintegrates...on Wahoo electrodes separated from the strap. It works but for how long ... Garmin's sensors glued to the strap were just no go. This time I will try it
@@1980bmi my integrated garmin straps last about 2 years when used 4 times a week, but i don’t look after them particularly well. I find them a lot more comfortable, which is why i keep buying them, I just bought my 3rd one.
@rolling-along I own several HR monitors (high end and budget friendly). The difference in accuracy is not worth the difference in price. If I'm 2-3 bpm off between the devices, it doesn't matter. I'll put my money towards other things that matter more (for me). Not training for the Olympics anytime soon.
Garmin has a problem with their Pro-series heart rate monitors - the straps break after 1 year of normal usage. In a we past years I have had 4 straps, 3 broken (Hrm Tri, Hrm Pro and Hrm Pro Plus). Thanks to Garmin’s great customer service they always send me new one on free. So, that is nice but still there is a desing problem. The straps break in usage, that is normal. You should be able to change the strap. Now, I have lot of electric waste (broken straps with functional heart rate monitor. Garmin should make HRM-200 Plus with a memory and all the running metrics. I would buy that and change the strap. (Or I will just buy Polar H10 if Garmin stops sending me free heart rate monitors.)
The only thing that matters is the battery replacement will not crack the case and trash the HRM. I’ve lost a HRM run and a HRM dual by the same cracking after replacing battery. Now I use a HRM Pro +, did well to battery however the electric pads just got rotten.
It will be interesting to see what the actual price ends up being because right now I can get the "gold standard" Polar h10 for cheaper than Garmin's RRP and the "more than a mere mortal like me will ever need" h9 for even less.
A lot of people seem to be moaning that new regulations are designed specifically to make their use of HRMs more difficult, rather than HRMs being caught up with other radio devices where the data genuinely are important and sensitive, like medical devices.
@@Dcrainmaker To be fair that isn't what Haydn was saying. He's just pointing out the regulations might be more reasonable when it applies to medical devices but this HRM is caught by them as the regs are too wide.
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If you don't care about the encryption, I recommend going with a cheap off-brand HRM. Wahoo now wants $90 (US) for their chest strap HRM (formerly the Tickr, now called the Trackr). I bought a cheap replacement for $30 that came with its own strap, but also works with my old Tickr strap. A better value if it lasts more than a third the life of the Wahoo.
It is actually enabled automatically on all my videos. Did it show up on this one correctly? I haven't quite figured out when/how/why it activates on some but not others. I've gone through all the settings and in theory everything should be good.
Thanks Ray. Very informative. Loks quite warm in Majorca if you are wearing a t-shirt. Have you come across the Morpheus training platform before? Cheers Lee
The only thing that bothers me about my HRM Pro Plus is that I can't just throw the belt in the washing machine. But since I trust the data from the chest strap more than from the watch when running, I will probably stick with the Pro Plus and not switch.
fwiw I have by mistake thrown my HRM dual into the washing machine multiple times - on a 40C cycle and it's been working fine for 2 years now. 40C is barely warmer than you when you sweat, and arguably sweat is more corrosive than diluted detergent
I have the HRM pro, and as runner, I see absolutly no reason to switch to this. He even says that you lose quite a lot of stats on this band compared to the pro.
Isn’t this tech better for the tour? That technology will severely cramp BLE stealing. I can’t believe more people aren’t excited by this. And also - you didn’t mention anything about battery life. It can’t be the same if it’s encrypting the traffic. It has to use more processing power, lowering the overall runtime.
if done correctly, nowadays chips have built-in aes256 and such so it really should NOT take measurably more power when implemented correctly - the whole point of encryption is it's assymetrical - it does not take a lot of compute to encrypt but it does to decrypt without keys.
Well, one year runtime obviously doesn't mean a thing. Or are we talking about wearing the strap day and night for 365 days? I am not sure if there is a change from a cr2025 battery to cr2032?
Is this strap stronger than the HRM dual and does it still have the same soft plastic on the inner side? With the HRM dual I on my 3rd strap in 2 years (all under warrenty), but on every strap the soft plastic gets eaten awaiy by my sweat and the metal connection points also start corroding after that. I almost use it daily, rinse both the strap and pod off with water after every session and let them dry on a towel.
After going to the coros strap with rechargeable battery I’m never going back to wahoo or Garmin unless they implement the same. I’ve had about half a dozen straps die on me in the last decade alone with the battery compartment being a key point of failure in my opinion
I’ve changed to the Garmin Pro series because I was fed up with the standard straps failing to seal after the first battery change. This was despite being very careful with o ring placement. I wonder if this new one will be better
Polar always had the best heart rate strap devices. In the 4 years I used polar I only ever needed one, with garmin I keep breaking them, I have about 7 broken ones that I don’t know what to do with
Ray, I noticed you compared the new Garmin heart sensor with Whoop 4.0 (among others). Do you have a review on Whoop? I don’t remember seeing it. Probably missed that. Thanks for all the work. Always good stuff.
Used to use a Garmin HRM strap, which I had to replace the battery ( same sort of battery as is in this strap). Unfortunately stopped working after I think the second or third battery replacement. So I ended up buying a 3rd party strap which ok the it is not blu tooth, but ant + but for me the bonus is that is rechargeable via a usb cable. I have paired this like the prior harm strap to an Edge 800 bike computer. I just wonder will encryption and working over blu tooth, would this stop/ prevent the interference that sometimes happens with Heart rate straps , especially with similar straps on people fairly close together like in a group ride or peloton.
The old ones last maybe 18 months before they either start chewing batteries ie it lasts a week or so, or just stops working. despite cleaning it, and even removing the HR unit from the strap. Hopefully they fixed that
@ I saw the tool. I’d just cut it off and keep it if using another strap brand. I have the Pro+ for now. One warranty claim for the a strap sensor cover coming off. Garmin was very responsive on it. I know the Bontrager unit won’t fit other straps unless one modified the rubber seal around the snap. Then the Bontrager would spike to 240 bpm most rides.
I won't be rushing out to buy this, but I'm glad to see encryption in this application. Bike computers and smartwatches are party to sensitive notifications, from banking apps and whatever else you can think of, so it makes sense to me that all the traffic in and out should be secure. I don't have any reason to believe that a HRM has ever presented a security risk, but it's part of the network of personal devices that should be operating in a secure regime by default.
Still waiting for my HRM-PRO warranty replacement. It was great until it needed a new battery then it was bricked. Why its not on the market anymore...but i wish they'd replace it soon.
I would be v interested to learn your take on comparing the actual straps (longevity, reliability, etc) from various leading brands (eg Polar, Garmin, et al). I bought a Garmin DUAL a few years ago. After a few times having to buy a new strap (just the strap, not the transmitter), I got fed up. I then learned that Garmin transmitters fit onto Polar straps. I'm onto my second Polar strap (after just over a year of daily use); but the first one lasted 2 or 3 times as long as the Garmin equivalent. I do try to keep the straps clean, and store them carefully. But are some straps more reliable or more accurate than others? What do you think?
great review as always Ray ! I have used garmin (HR straps) for years, as I consider them the most durable and comfortable. ***However, this year, I started using the CORE Temperature sensor , which "clips" on an HR strap. (although they do offer an adhesive pad to adhere to your chest if you don't use an HR strap). The design of the garmin straps have the electrode pads long on each side, which negates the use of the CORE on the strap due to the interference of where it mounts on the strap. follow ? I have found one strap that "works" without any electrode interference - the Hammerhead HR strap (Karoo). The electrodes are smaller and closer to the center, so the CORE can slide over the strap just outside the electrode in the correct location on the side of the rib cage. Question : Do you have a CORE sensor ? and can you confirm if it will slip on the new HRM-200 without interfering with the built in electrode ? Thanks !
It’s a tough one in the UK.. I regularly see the HRM-Pro Plus for £60 mostly all year round. I understand maybe in the lab setting this helps with data protection which tbh.. isn’t really discussed much in terms of chest straps and who can access that realtime data.
I'm curious Garmin mentioned HRV data on US website "When you need accurate heart rate and heart rate variability (HRV) data". But none of reviewers mentioned that. Are they going to add some HRV analytics during workout? or HRM200 will have some extra capabilities on calculating HRV during running sessions?
Nah, it was just mentioning it has HRV just like all past Garmin HR straps have had HRV. I actually asked before launch if there was something new, given they were putting it in the press release. But turned out it was just simply re-affirming it.
what is the real reason to have encrypted chest strap? In description it says its EU requirement, but what value it brings to customers? I can't figure it out. It's not medical device, it have no access to PII data etc.
@ ok. But it’s like they require all wearables to be secure, or it’s specific to hr sensors. Sometimes I can’t understand reasoning of the UE governance
Good question to be honest. One of the main reasons I would think is due to HR or other variables that HRMs can calculdate is related to you, therefore they're classified as PII data. If information related to your HR could get leaked or any performance based metrics were to get leaked you could sue the likes of Garmin for failing to safeguard your PII data. Just a claim , this is what I think one of the reasons is.
Question. How long do people find their straps last? Over 20 years I've accumulated a box of dead ones. Doesn't seem to correlate with price. One cheapo one lasted two years. Genuinely interested as to what kills them!
Garmin HRM Dual, lasts between Dead on Arrival and 6 months. Could be either the strap or pod that dies. Got sick of having to warranty replace them. Polar H10, over a year and still going strong. Garmin can make a good GPS device but terrible at HR straps.
If you pair in secure mode, does that disable Ant+? Secure Mode BLE would prevent seeing the data in the BLE stream. But if Ant+ is still working other people can just listen to that instead.
I once did a group run where my heart rate monitor got delivered to another runner in the group. We both had a chest strap. It's many years ago, I can't remember the details.
Hey, does anyone know if HRM 200 strap is compatible with HRM Pro Plus? I have seen advert that the new strap (HRM 200) can be washed in washing machine. And I need to replace my HRM Pro Plus soon and don’t want to buy the whole thing again.
Awesome, because i really don’t want anyone to know my heart-rate. The button and the encryption really makes this device much better than anything else currently on the market. 🤣🤣🤣, it’s a shame it’s not April the 1st.
I'm actually surprised that they were not already encrypted. For me a use case would be indoor cycling in an appartment building. I doubt they do, but I don't want my neighbors to be able to record my HR and workouts
It ridiculous to require a strap or fitness device to encrypt HR data. The device does not associate the measurement with any individual. If personal data is to be protected, it should be protected by the storage device or any device where the user's name is associated with the account etc. The phone app can easily encrypt. Can you imagine the additional costs of having to replace all the stethoscopes doctors use, just because they can allow someone to listen to a heartbeat (and even record it)? And what about blood pressure or blood glucose monitors?
If they wireless transmit your data, they'll have to comply. But that's not the case for the average mass market medical devices, like those you mention.
I'm more confused than ever. He mentions at least five different models with the name HRM. I think the final recommendation was HRM DUAL which he never showed 😁 PS love the videos, always watch them.
From my point of view, device encryption is far more crucial than data streaming encryption. I don’t mind if my Bluetooth or ANT+ strap broadcasts data because there are ways to mitigate this-such as using your wrist HR sensor instead. That aside, I don’t get comments about their device doing HR monitoring for a fraction of the price. That’s not the point!
Hmm secure mode with only Bluetooth? For now, no thanks. My older Garmin devices (Edge 830, Fenix 6) still struggle with BT. Only two concurrent connections (and Garmin Connect to the phone for emergency counts), and unstable (link to my BT only ebike leads to regular dropouts for all sensors, including Ant+) Unless that gets fixed, this is DOA for me.
So you have to use a specific strap which has the tool included to open the battery compartment, a generic strap won't work? Why did they not just make it a rechargeable battery?
I cannot come up with a scenario where someone would go through the effort of intercepting my live heart rate data and doing something nefarious with it. What would you even use it for? There is no personal information associated to it, it seems like worthless data to me. The best I can come up with is combining the fact that you exercise with your device ID for advertising purposes, but that data is much easier to collect than by snooping on some guy in a park.
It's not something that Garmin wanted. As of five days ago, all coin cell devices have to be child proof. That means the average child can't open the battery compartment. There's several methods of making this work and the gold standard was using torx screws but this can be defeated on the HRM-Pro
@ I’m sure and I was being snarky about them making it difficult enough that adults, especially older adults who are active are gonna have issues with it… 🍻
Glad they figured out 4 micro screws is terrible. Finally they caught on with an easier access back.
That's why I went to the TIKR. I stripped the screws on two HRM duals.
Illegal in Australia / NZ though so these won't be available there
@arnienz1962 I'm not interested in encrypting my HRM data but am interested to find out why it's illegal here (Sydney)?
@@ianjlillyit’s not, this is thoroughly covered in the video
@@ianjlilly toolless entry to chokeable batteries. I had to import my HRM Pro from USA into NZ
I always appreciate your diligence and detail and thank you for explaining a topic that basically nobody else will.
I’m just glad it doesn’t have those damn tiny screws that the HRM Dual and some of Garmin’s other HRMs had. Every time I changed the battery I risked destroying the case, and twice did.
Same here. I have a whole graveyard full of garmin straps. Switched to Polar and am happy
@@herbertbloch4167 Me too! I got a Polar H9 and it's great.
I had to buy replacement screws from ebay
Switched to polar hr because of this
How often you change it? I have my hem dual since like 1,5 year, since few months I'm using it daily for at least 1h and my battery is still fine😅
No more expensive HR monitors for me (had various Garmin and Wahoo) now I am still rocking a 30€ decathlon HR monitors with zero problems.
Nice to see them sticking with coin cells rather than going down the sealed, non-serviceable rechargeable battery route. Kudos Garmin.
SRAM take notes 😉
I went the other way to a Coros armband because I just recharge it along with my computer and lights. No more pesky CR batteries.
I disagree. What on earth is serviceable with the coin battery type HRM?
@@69ssjthe comment is sarcastically praising Garmin for not moving with the times.
I’m loving the Polar H7 that I’ve had for 10 years. Still, nice review, kudos
Polar really do break stuff down to its simplest terms and their products reflect this.
Polar hands down makes the best heart rate straps, I had the same one for 4 years until I switched to garmin and now I have a broken strap with device about every 2 years ugh
Replacable strap is the most important thing here.
Can you even buy a replacement strap? The integrated HRM’s are more comfortable.
@@likemarksee from my experience suunto strap just disintegrates...on Wahoo electrodes separated from the strap. It works but for how long ... Garmin's sensors glued to the strap were just no go. This time I will try it
@@1980bmi my integrated garmin straps last about 2 years when used 4 times a week, but i don’t look after them particularly well. I find them a lot more comfortable, which is why i keep buying them, I just bought my 3rd one.
Are the straps interchangeable from earlier HR monitors?
garmin hrm pro strap disintegrated 2yrs 4 months after buying, e.g 4 months after warranty ended.
polar h10 so much better.
I continue to enjoy your content. Thanks for what you do.
Minus the encryption, this looks exactly like my $25 strap I got from Amazon 2 years ago. Super accurate as well. Save your money folks.
You may have missed the point on the accuracy thing? Maybe not?
@rolling-along I own several HR monitors (high end and budget friendly). The difference in accuracy is not worth the difference in price. If I'm 2-3 bpm off between the devices, it doesn't matter. I'll put my money towards other things that matter more (for me). Not training for the Olympics anytime soon.
7 and 8 year olds? Damn time flies by
Ah, so it's time to go out and a buy a couple of HRM Duals to have as spares. Thanks for the heads-up 🙂
Good call, thanks. Love my Dual.
Garmin has a problem with their Pro-series heart rate monitors - the straps break after 1 year of normal usage. In a we past years I have had 4 straps, 3 broken (Hrm Tri, Hrm Pro and Hrm Pro Plus). Thanks to Garmin’s great customer service they always send me new one on free. So, that is nice but still there is a desing problem. The straps break in usage, that is normal. You should be able to change the strap. Now, I have lot of electric waste (broken straps with functional heart rate monitor. Garmin should make HRM-200 Plus with a memory and all the running metrics. I would buy that and change the strap. (Or I will just buy Polar H10 if Garmin stops sending me free heart rate monitors.)
The only thing that matters is the battery replacement will not crack the case and trash the HRM. I’ve lost a HRM run and a HRM dual by the same cracking after replacing battery.
Now I use a HRM Pro +, did well to battery however the electric pads just got rotten.
It will be interesting to see what the actual price ends up being because right now I can get the "gold standard" Polar h10 for cheaper than Garmin's RRP and the "more than a mere mortal like me will ever need" h9 for even less.
A lot of people seem to be moaning that new regulations are designed specifically to make their use of HRMs more difficult, rather than HRMs being caught up with other radio devices where the data genuinely are important and sensitive, like medical devices.
This isn’t a medical device.
@@Dcrainmaker To be fair that isn't what Haydn was saying. He's just pointing out the regulations might be more reasonable when it applies to medical devices but this HRM is caught by them as the regs are too wide.
I work in medical device regulation and thought of this too.
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If you don't care about the encryption, I recommend going with a cheap off-brand HRM. Wahoo now wants $90 (US) for their chest strap HRM (formerly the Tickr, now called the Trackr). I bought a cheap replacement for $30 that came with its own strap, but also works with my old Tickr strap. A better value if it lasts more than a third the life of the Wahoo.
Please allow automatic dubbing on your other videos. Your content is amazing
It is actually enabled automatically on all my videos. Did it show up on this one correctly? I haven't quite figured out when/how/why it activates on some but not others. I've gone through all the settings and in theory everything should be good.
@@Dcrainmaker I see, thanks for responding. Yes, the dubbing appears correctly in this one and in the previous 3 videos
Great review - thank you!
Thanks Ray. Very informative. Loks quite warm in Majorca if you are wearing a t-shirt.
Have you come across the Morpheus training platform before? Cheers Lee
The only thing that bothers me about my HRM Pro Plus is that I can't just throw the belt in the washing machine. But since I trust the data from the chest strap more than from the watch when running, I will probably stick with the Pro Plus and not switch.
fwiw I have by mistake thrown my HRM dual into the washing machine multiple times - on a 40C cycle and it's been working fine for 2 years now. 40C is barely warmer than you when you sweat, and arguably sweat is more corrosive than diluted detergent
I have the HRM pro, and as runner, I see absolutly no reason to switch to this. He even says that you lose quite a lot of stats on this band compared to the pro.
The HRM-200 is designed to go in the washing machine. Just remove the pod before you do so.
Isn’t this tech better for the tour? That technology will severely cramp BLE stealing. I can’t believe more people aren’t excited by this. And also - you didn’t mention anything about battery life. It can’t be the same if it’s encrypting the traffic. It has to use more processing power, lowering the overall runtime.
if done correctly, nowadays chips have built-in aes256 and such so it really should NOT take measurably more power when implemented correctly - the whole point of encryption is it's assymetrical - it does not take a lot of compute to encrypt but it does to decrypt without keys.
Well, one year runtime obviously doesn't mean a thing. Or are we talking about wearing the strap day and night for 365 days?
I am not sure if there is a change from a cr2025 battery to cr2032?
No tiny screws? WIN. The rest is irrelevant.
Thanks for putting this out. PS - I am that one person :)
Is this strap stronger than the HRM dual and does it still have the same soft plastic on the inner side?
With the HRM dual I on my 3rd strap in 2 years (all under warrenty), but on every strap the soft plastic gets eaten awaiy by my sweat and the metal connection points also start corroding after that. I almost use it daily, rinse both the strap and pod off with water after every session and let them dry on a towel.
After going to the coros strap with rechargeable battery I’m never going back to wahoo or Garmin unless they implement the same. I’ve had about half a dozen straps die on me in the last decade alone with the battery compartment being a key point of failure in my opinion
I’ve changed to the Garmin Pro series because I was fed up with the standard straps failing to seal after the first battery change. This was despite being very careful with o ring placement. I wonder if this new one will be better
Thanks for telling me why I don't need this. :)
Polar always had the best heart rate strap devices. In the 4 years I used polar I only ever needed one, with garmin I keep breaking them, I have about 7 broken ones that I don’t know what to do with
great review as usual, but looks a bit bulky to me, guess I'll wait for a new hrm pro
I bought a wahoo tickr a few years ago, still working ok
So did I, mine only lasted about two years.
@BoxsterPB that's a shame, too bad there's no incentive for companies to make long lasting products
Ray, I noticed you compared the new Garmin heart sensor with Whoop 4.0 (among others). Do you have a review on Whoop? I don’t remember seeing it. Probably missed that. Thanks for all the work. Always good stuff.
Used to use a Garmin HRM strap, which I had to replace the battery ( same sort of battery as is in this strap). Unfortunately stopped working after I think the second or third battery replacement. So I ended up buying a 3rd party strap which ok the it is not blu tooth, but ant + but for me the bonus is that is rechargeable via a usb cable. I have paired this like the prior harm strap to an Edge 800 bike computer. I just wonder will encryption and working over blu tooth, would this stop/ prevent the interference that sometimes happens with Heart rate straps , especially with similar straps on people fairly close together like in a group ride or peloton.
The old ones last maybe 18 months before they either start chewing batteries ie it lasts a week or so, or just stops working. despite cleaning it, and even removing the HR unit from the strap. Hopefully they fixed that
Yea no screws to strip out at least. But will the unit fit the old dual straps and other brand straps?
@@mkenyon7429 he says the tool to undo the battery holder is included in the new heart rate strap so I'm guessing no to your question
@ I saw the tool. I’d just cut it off and keep it if using another strap brand. I have the Pro+ for now. One warranty claim for the a strap sensor cover coming off. Garmin was very responsive on it.
I know the Bontrager unit won’t fit other straps unless one modified the rubber seal around the snap. Then the Bontrager would spike to 240 bpm most rides.
Thank you good job , what strap ca i use with Apple Watch, can you make a video?
Being from the south I slowed playback speed to 75 percent, much better
Have you got access to the Instinct 3?
lol, i got my answer :D
I won't be rushing out to buy this, but I'm glad to see encryption in this application. Bike computers and smartwatches are party to sensitive notifications, from banking apps and whatever else you can think of, so it makes sense to me that all the traffic in and out should be secure. I don't have any reason to believe that a HRM has ever presented a security risk, but it's part of the network of personal devices that should be operating in a secure regime by default.
Still waiting for my HRM-PRO warranty replacement. It was great until it needed a new battery then it was bricked. Why its not on the market anymore...but i wish they'd replace it soon.
I would be v interested to learn your take on comparing the actual straps (longevity, reliability, etc) from various leading brands (eg Polar, Garmin, et al). I bought a Garmin DUAL a few years ago. After a few times having to buy a new strap (just the strap, not the transmitter), I got fed up. I then learned that Garmin transmitters fit onto Polar straps. I'm onto my second Polar strap (after just over a year of daily use); but the first one lasted 2 or 3 times as long as the Garmin equivalent. I do try to keep the straps clean, and store them carefully. But are some straps more reliable or more accurate than others? What do you think?
great review as always Ray !
I have used garmin (HR straps) for years, as I consider them the most durable and comfortable. ***However, this year, I started using the CORE Temperature sensor , which "clips" on an HR strap. (although they do offer an adhesive pad to adhere to your chest if you don't use an HR strap). The design of the garmin straps have the electrode pads long on each side, which negates the use of the CORE on the strap due to the interference of where it mounts on the strap. follow ? I have found one strap that "works" without any electrode interference - the Hammerhead HR strap (Karoo). The electrodes are smaller and closer to the center, so the CORE can slide over the strap just outside the electrode in the correct location on the side of the rib cage.
Question :
Do you have a CORE sensor ? and can you confirm if it will slip on the new HRM-200 without interfering with the built in electrode ?
Thanks !
It’s a tough one in the UK.. I regularly see the HRM-Pro Plus for £60 mostly all year round. I understand maybe in the lab setting this helps with data protection which tbh.. isn’t really discussed much in terms of chest straps and who can access that realtime data.
I'm curious Garmin mentioned HRV data on US website "When you need accurate heart rate and heart rate variability (HRV) data". But none of reviewers mentioned that. Are they going to add some HRV analytics during workout? or HRM200 will have some extra capabilities on calculating HRV during running sessions?
Nah, it was just mentioning it has HRV just like all past Garmin HR straps have had HRV. I actually asked before launch if there was something new, given they were putting it in the press release. But turned out it was just simply re-affirming it.
My body melts chest straps within months, love my Polar verity sense arm band, still going strong after many years of abuse.
Sounds like you have diabetes. Sugar in the sweat destroys straps.
Is the verity sense comfortable to wear? It looks so bulky compared to the Coros hrm
@@wgthn5103 yeah don't even notice it
what is the real reason to have encrypted chest strap? In description it says its EU requirement, but what value it brings to customers? I can't figure it out.
It's not medical device, it have no access to PII data etc.
Because the EU requires it, and thus, companies have to meet that requirement or they can't sell into the EU. That's it.
@ ok. But it’s like they require all wearables to be secure, or it’s specific to hr sensors. Sometimes I can’t understand reasoning of the UE governance
Good question to be honest. One of the main reasons I would think is due to HR or other variables that HRMs can calculdate is related to you, therefore they're classified as PII data. If information related to your HR could get leaked or any performance based metrics were to get leaked you could sue the likes of Garmin for failing to safeguard your PII data. Just a claim , this is what I think one of the reasons is.
@@panosonic123 Correct, it's the PII element.
Question. How long do people find their straps last? Over 20 years I've accumulated a box of dead ones. Doesn't seem to correlate with price. One cheapo one lasted two years. Genuinely interested as to what kills them!
Garmin HRM Dual, lasts between Dead on Arrival and 6 months. Could be either the strap or pod that dies. Got sick of having to warranty replace them. Polar H10, over a year and still going strong. Garmin can make a good GPS device but terrible at HR straps.
@@geoffwnz Couple of months max
If you pair in secure mode, does that disable Ant+?
Secure Mode BLE would prevent seeing the data in the BLE stream. But if Ant+ is still working other people can just listen to that instead.
How does the data compare to using the fr 965 watch? I’ve always trusted my hr data to be accurate on my watch
Off-topic question: what watch band are you wearing with your Apple Watch?
I once did a group run where my heart rate monitor got delivered to another runner in the group. We both had a chest strap. It's many years ago, I can't remember the details.
Turn off automatic search for device, its simple
If it lasts more than a year it will be better than their previous ones
No running dynamic for the new garmin HRM?
Does the new strap work with the old dual button on sensor?
Wich strap would you say has the best accuracy overall, of any brand and model with least strange deviation? Thanks
Is there a reason to buy this to replace my Polar H9? I don’t see it.
Can they make one that makes a noise so I can locate it. I can never find my HRM when I need it, I just use my watch instead now.
Hey, does anyone know if HRM 200 strap is compatible with HRM Pro Plus? I have seen advert that the new strap (HRM 200) can be washed in washing machine. And I need to replace my HRM Pro Plus soon and don’t want to buy the whole thing again.
Wandering is the HRM-200 have running dynamics builtin?
It does not.
@ Thanks. Do you know which sport watch support running dynamics?
Do you also expect a new version of HRM Pro Plus this year?
I certainly would
Is this device for chest straps only? Or can it be used with armbands?
does the strap still stink the same way? (i wash mine every time post workout)
Is it water proof? Did i miss that??
Awesome, because i really don’t want anyone to know my heart-rate. The button and the encryption really makes this device much better than anything else currently on the market. 🤣🤣🤣, it’s a shame it’s not April the 1st.
The BS they come up with to make everything more expensive is unbelievable.
This time it’s the EU’s fault. The EU is good at mandating things that no user or consumer asked for, and makes them worse off. (e.g. cookie banners)
@@ehanneken yes ask the brits for all the benefits of leaving the EU
The EU didn’t ask for the cookie banners, lazy and malevolent ad networks forced that upon us
@ehanneken Maybe true, but if I lived in the EU and used Apple products, I'd welcome EU mandated USB C.
Broadcasting you heart rate data for everyone to receive could open yourself up for abuse.
I'm actually surprised that they were not already encrypted. For me a use case would be indoor cycling in an appartment building. I doubt they do, but I don't want my neighbors to be able to record my HR and workouts
Encryption is an extra level of complexity which will cut off many old devices without support, will effect communication speed etc.
Why would they and what if they did?
Informative as always! But where is your Instinct 3 video? Garmin has released their video already!! And they already have them on their website!
It's here now.
Is there anyone you’re aware of making an aftermarket arm band for Garmin heart rate sensors?
It ridiculous to require a strap or fitness device to encrypt HR data. The device does not associate the measurement with any individual. If personal data is to be protected, it should be protected by the storage device or any device where the user's name is associated with the account etc. The phone app can easily encrypt. Can you imagine the additional costs of having to replace all the stethoscopes doctors use, just because they can allow someone to listen to a heartbeat (and even record it)? And what about blood pressure or blood glucose monitors?
If they wireless transmit your data, they'll have to comply. But that's not the case for the average mass market medical devices, like those you mention.
previous Garmin HRM chest strap sensor lifespan was around 2-3 years... way too short ... (I know a few people, me included, whose Garmin HRM died)
Two garmins in a row died just after 2 year warranty ran out. Bought a cheap coospo rechargeable HRM for 1/3 of the price. Works great
So why would you want to encrypt you HR data? Like why? What could someone do with that data?
Still no USB rechargeable battery? my XOSS V2 HRM has this and its a fraction of the price.
Agreed - I'll never buy any product without a rechargeable battery.
No thank you non user replaceable batteries are much worse. I change the battery in my strap 2x a year with cheap lidl ones 6 batteries for 2 quid.
I exercise more than literally ANYONE I know, and battery life is not an issue.
25 hours of running and cycling...last week.
@@tomaskonkol8894 you can still have user replaceable and rechargeable - they are not mutually exclusive concepts.
I'm more confused than ever. He mentions at least five different models with the name HRM. I think the final recommendation was HRM DUAL which he never showed 😁
PS love the videos, always watch them.
Good in the longer term. Annoying in the short term.
Haven’t seen the entire video but I’m asking anyway, comparison to the HRM Pro?
Garmin encrypts the type of encryption with encrypted light modes 😅
…and finally garmin made the polar H 10.
From my point of view, device encryption is far more crucial than data streaming encryption. I don’t mind if my Bluetooth or ANT+ strap broadcasts data because there are ways to mitigate this-such as using your wrist HR sensor instead.
That aside, I don’t get comments about their device doing HR monitoring for a fraction of the price. That’s not the point!
This is not correct to test brand new hrm strap with old one...
Huh?
Pity Garmin doesn’t make an optical HR like the Polar Verity Sense
I’m no dc rainmaker, but I think ECG monitoring from chest straps is still the most accurate.
@@travischapman6763 But for me, it's unconfortable
Almost all their watches have it.
@@TheSJCieply if you use an edge.....
@@photosquare7 You can broadcast from a watch to a head unit.
Too bad the material seems to be same as in the HRM-Pro that gives me a rash :(
Wait so it doesn't do metrics and other "Please buy my watch at 400USD" things, but offers useless encryption and is pricier?
Great stuff!
Hmm secure mode with only Bluetooth? For now, no thanks.
My older Garmin devices (Edge 830, Fenix 6) still struggle with BT. Only two concurrent connections (and Garmin Connect to the phone for emergency counts), and unstable (link to my BT only ebike leads to regular dropouts for all sensors, including Ant+)
Unless that gets fixed, this is DOA for me.
Ummm. Encrypted HRM data. Heard it all now. Thanks EU 😂
i bet is cost no difference in production cost than the old one, yet added std Garmin Tax for a new product
it's 2025.. why can they not just let us plug it in to charge it? This is one of the reasons why I rather use the COROS armband.
It's like those website cookie banners you know and love, brought to your workout equipment.
You need to press a button to pair. Is that so draconian?
Feel like H10 and wahoo combined 😂
Why In Gods Name still Batteries to buy. Is there a Reason to sell no rechargeable Heartstraps ???
But can I toss it in the wash machine? Only feature I want.
Thank you
So you have to use a specific strap which has the tool included to open the battery compartment, a generic strap won't work?
Why did they not just make it a rechargeable battery?
this benefits apple watch..if everyone is on BLE
I'm sure I'm one of the very few that wants this, but can we please stop using amber/green lights? Some of us are colorblind.
So basically, the EU is killing comfortable and easy to use HRM Chest-Straps, thanks.
No need to upgrade, wallet safe.
Ah finally a device to stop my neighbours claiming my KOMs
1 year with a battery... Suuuure.
I cannot come up with a scenario where someone would go through the effort of intercepting my live heart rate data and doing something nefarious with it. What would you even use it for? There is no personal information associated to it, it seems like worthless data to me. The best I can come up with is combining the fact that you exercise with your device ID for advertising purposes, but that data is much easier to collect than by snooping on some guy in a park.
So I’m guessing for 2025, this gets four out of five gummy bears… it loses the fifth for that battery compartment and… 🤔… well, it’s Garmin… 😅🍻
It's not something that Garmin wanted. As of five days ago, all coin cell devices have to be child proof. That means the average child can't open the battery compartment. There's several methods of making this work and the gold standard was using torx screws but this can be defeated on the HRM-Pro
@ I’m sure and I was being snarky about them making it difficult enough that adults, especially older adults who are active are gonna have issues with it… 🍻