Hali really doesn’t have a bag at all. His go-to move is just chucking step back 3s and he passes up wide-open shots all the time, especially this season. I seen him pass up open layups like he’s been hanging out with Ben Simmons. His playmaking is still gonna be there, but Riv is right - it’s a struggle for this guy to get a bucket
My problem with Haliburton as a pacer fan is that he can’t handle the ball late in game. He has been ripped or had costly turnovers in crucial spots multiple times. Don’t even have to mention his atrocious defense
@@uncleshannon1756Ravens offense is averaging most yards per play in NFL history. Lamar is more talented than Kurt Warner and Derrick Henry clears Marshall Faulk
I live in Kansas, and it's understandable that OKC and Denver games are blacked out, but I'll never understand why the hell T-wolves games are blacked out.
For the play Joel is talking about at 50:20 , a new angle came out that Sewell tripped over zeitlers leg. Don’t think mosbey had a lot to do with that, any edge could’ve won that rep just happened to be him that was in there.
I got a question since a most PGs can’t be the best on a championship team what would y’all say is the QB equivalent position in the NBA? SG? SF? PF? Or C?
That trade 24:00 had more do with money after the lakers sign Kobe and CP3 they still had run to sign another player and Mark Cuban got tight because the lakers could sign like Lebron Gilbert’s talked about the meeting
@ Just a ring? Nigga he’s a Super Bowl MVP and retired with several all time passing records. If accolades is all that mattered then Brett Favre is way ahead of Lamar right now too
If the nba wants a better product then they need to allow teams to play defense. Nothing crazy, don’t need to go back to the 80s or 90s. But enough with the ticky tac fouls, enough with the sensitive refs who throw out techs for nothing. Just think of how much more competitive the game would be if defenders know they’re aloud to play defense. If they make the shot they make the shot but the defenders are handicapped and that’s not okay. Offensive players are too good today for the defense to be handicapped by the rules and how the game is called. A lot of fans do enjoy physical play, why do you think America loves football. Because it’s not soft. There’s two sides to the game and we can’t only focus on one.
I don't think OKC would trade all those VALUABLE clippers picks for giannis ESP for this years draft that has Cooper Flagg and a lot more talented rookies. If the thunder can add Flagg or even Bailey I think that's worth taking a shot at compared to getting an aging giannis and loosing Dort and IHART who are both important depth pieces for this thunder squad.
@@damariansmith2362 Yeahh but he is getting up there and I personally don't know if I'd give away 2 important depth pieces(They prolly would try to get JDUB as well) anddd multiple assets on top of that for Giannis who is still playing at an all star MVP level. I would rather keep this OKC squad even if they're 7-1 rn and to joel's point some of the 1st round picks the thunder have this coming draft are Valuable and could land OKC another young talent.
To answer Drew’s question laxed officiating when it’s comes to dribbling (the hand placement going from just on the top of the ball to then the side and now people be having their hand under the ball💀 the amount of carrying people do now is insane), the freedom of movement rules, damn near 90% of picks set today would be called illegal screens in the 2000s etc… they’ve been changing the game with rules (or atleast how they enforce them) for a while it never really stopped happening people just notice it less and/or just chalk up everything as the players just getting better and the game evolving
The nba viewership numbers is a by product of devaluing the regular season if all that matters is championships why should you watch a random game in November
Penei Sewell literally got tripped up by Zietler and Preston smith requested the trade because he said the scheme didn’t fit him … please watch actual film stop being lazy
I dont understand why Joel keeps putting Brunson in "heliocentric" conversations.... He was asked to play that way last season due to limited secondary scoring options. Brunson has played great next to Luka, he has played great next Randle. Two very high ball dominant players. He can play off-ball or he can play as the focal point of a offense.
that doesn't mean that he can't play a different way. he can. but he only became a "top 15 player" when he was the main focal point of an offense making 95% of the decisions
@pickaside I won't call brunson that based off a half a season (Randle went down) and his 2nd option being Donte and 6 games into 2025 season.. thats not enough sample size for him to have that label. Shai had a higher ball usage % than brunson last season why aren't you calling him heliocentric? Majority of the players in Top 15 has a wayyyyy better 2nd option than us as well, if their 2nd best shot creator was Donte they would be taking matters into their own hands alot more
the solution is adding a 4 point line. 1) we can talk about the best 4 point shooters in nba history. 2) gives us something new. 3) will make games more exciting. 4) if ur down 4 that’s still a one possession game. 5) will make more possible comebacks (if ur down 12 with 90 seconds left there’s still a chance. 6) teams will have to adjust gamelan’s against the currys and dames. 7) it will just make it more fun
Joel needs to stop with this dak hate. Man took the market price for qbs and is being told to carry a team with no offensive weapons other than ceedee while down 20 every game.
Dak Prescott has been given better talent than Tony Romo, consistently getting 12 wins. He performs poorly in the playoffs, even lost two playoff games at home which is terrible. So yeah Dak ain’t it
@ Dak has not had better lineups stop yapping. And dak literally was on pace to destroy Peyton mannings record for passing yards in a season in 2020 before he broke his foot. When they had the worst defense ever but they actually gave him a good offense.
@ Btw statistically speaking this man has performed better in the playoffs than most of the qbs in the league rn even Lamar. No qb will ever win games if they don’t have a run game or even at least 2 playmakers on their team. Josh Allen, Mahomes, burrow. Any qb would not be able to make this team rn a winning team. This team is poorly coached, hurt and already was lacking in certain positions.
@@angelarredondo4885 stop it, he does not perform better in the playoffs. Bro the stats are so empty calories, legit he had empty calorie stats against the packers last season. The game was already over in the first half so he was able to persuade you and his fans that he had a good game when he didn’t. We can legit go player for player for the amount of talent or stacked roster Dak had compare to Tony and Dak clearly had better talent than Tony. You know that Dak has the same playoff record as Tony Romo. Dak legit had multiple 12 win seasons and hasn’t reach an nfc championship appearance, let’s face it dude Dak’s ceiling for this team is a wildcard win at best.
@@angelarredondo4885 Dak is overrated, it’s been nine years I believe with him as a cowboy and he hasn’t shown you that he can get you to an nfc championship nor a Super Bowl. It’s every year with the cowboys and Dak, they play great against sub 500 teams but they fold against top tier teams. He lost to the niners twice, one at home in which they were favored to win and the other was a divisional game in which he threw bad ints. Like if he’s that guy you got to win those types of games and he really isn’t that good
All them packages are overpaying for an old and injury prone giannis we good over here respect to everything he does tho but we good. If he's asking out his value drops immediately
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Hali really doesn’t have a bag at all. His go-to move is just chucking step back 3s and he passes up wide-open shots all the time, especially this season. I seen him pass up open layups like he’s been hanging out with Ben Simmons. His playmaking is still gonna be there, but Riv is right - it’s a struggle for this guy to get a bucket
blessed with a late night pod🙏
Literally stayed up dumb late just waiting for a new pod to drop them boys came thru 🔥🔥
Riv's hate for Haliburton is inspiring
He was cooking too.
My problem with Haliburton as a pacer fan is that he can’t handle the ball late in game. He has been ripped or had costly turnovers in crucial spots multiple times. Don’t even have to mention his atrocious defense
j wanted to drop by a comment. been watching yall for a hot minute since yall been at 20k subs. best sports pod yall finna blow up
I can’t believe I heard somebody say they would take Lamar over Brees
Bro said the ravens offense better than the greatest show on turf 😂
until lamar gets a bowl i can’t even think of it… and even then brees is still probably over him.
I got Him over Brees
They said if he gets a 3rd MVP and a ring he would be and that’s facts regardless of how Brees homers feel to contrary.
@@uncleshannon1756Ravens offense is averaging most yards per play in NFL history. Lamar is more talented than Kurt Warner and Derrick Henry clears Marshall Faulk
2:58:11 Dehls saying they should make Embiid play three games straight is literally hilarious 🤣🤣🤣
Never forget dehls claiming burks was the best receiver in his draft😭
Needed this episode tonight fasho
Lot of interesting topics overall as a whole the quarter of the season in the NFL and the nba surprises overall as a whole.🏀🏈
Great episode my glorious kings
I live in Kansas, and it's understandable that OKC and Denver games are blacked out, but I'll never understand why the hell T-wolves games are blacked out.
I’ve been waiting on this!🎉
I remember chilltown said Hali will be in LUKA conversations
I’m surprised nobody said Kerby Joseph for NFL DPOY especially with the level the Lions are playing on
He’s been playing well but cmon brother 🤦🏽♂️
Joel didn’t you say that the Bucks had a great offseason and they are gonna compete against the Celtics. It’s not looking too good for Milwaukee rn
2:12:37 “tyrese living off of 2 months of basketball” brother what is lamelo living off of? 5 games????
It’s because the 3 is the easiest shot to get especially with no hand checking you can get a three off way easier then getting to the basket
I believe they vetoed it because it would allow the lakers to have to many super maxes. Something weird with the contracts.
For the play Joel is talking about at 50:20 , a new angle came out that Sewell tripped over zeitlers leg. Don’t think mosbey had a lot to do with that, any edge could’ve won that rep just happened to be him that was in there.
Sewell definitely tripped. Still think it was a good rep from Mosby. Good pad level and usage of hands. Looked explosive off the get off
I got a question since a most PGs can’t be the best on a championship team what would y’all say is the QB equivalent position in the NBA? SG? SF? PF? Or C?
That trade 24:00 had more do with money after the lakers sign Kobe and CP3 they still had run to sign another player and Mark Cuban got tight because the lakers could sign like Lebron Gilbert’s talked about the meeting
Drew got fleeced in that trade chase brown szn
From Hines to Santonio to Wallace to Emmanuel to AB to Bryant Steelers kept them a WR til JuJu hopefully Pickens starts it up like Hines did
How you like my pistons whoopin on your lakers drew😤😤 remember when you said that Ivey was a bad nba player😭
Streameast fellas! If you need to fix your local blackout problems
I think after OKC sends Hartinstine to the Bucks the Bucks will send him to New Orleans for their picks
Nah.. that’s now how the NBA works bud
24:27 as a thunder fan YOU AINT GETTING CHET OR JDUB NEVERRRRRRR
The problem with that is if the Bucks get a lottery pick that's out of the top 4 it belongs to the Nets. They're completely fucked.
1:16:20 Joel you didn’t cut it lol
Joel Vladmir Moran is so fuckin hard🤣
CP3 trade shouldn’t have been vetoed. And it’s because people didn’t think the Heat was fair
Lamar winning one ring and being over Drew Brees right then and there or it being a conversation, is crazy
3 MVPs and a ring compared to just a ring ? Accolades are all that matter my guy
@ Just a ring? Nigga he’s a Super
Bowl MVP and retired with several all time passing records. If accolades is all that mattered then Brett Favre is way ahead of Lamar right now too
If the nba wants a better product then they need to allow teams to play defense. Nothing crazy, don’t need to go back to the 80s or 90s. But enough with the ticky tac fouls, enough with the sensitive refs who throw out techs for nothing. Just think of how much more competitive the game would be if defenders know they’re aloud to play defense. If they make the shot they make the shot but the defenders are handicapped and that’s not okay. Offensive players are too good today for the defense to be handicapped by the rules and how the game is called. A lot of fans do enjoy physical play, why do you think America loves football. Because it’s not soft. There’s two sides to the game and we can’t only focus on one.
Finally somebody said it. 100% agree
I don't think OKC would trade all those VALUABLE clippers picks for giannis ESP for this years draft that has Cooper Flagg and a lot more talented rookies. If the thunder can add Flagg or even Bailey I think that's worth taking a shot at compared to getting an aging giannis and loosing Dort and IHART who are both important depth pieces for this thunder squad.
Aging ??? Giannis not even 30 yet
@@damariansmith2362 Yeahh but he is getting up there and I personally don't know if I'd give away 2 important depth pieces(They prolly would try to get JDUB as well) anddd multiple assets on top of that for Giannis who is still playing at an all star MVP level. I would rather keep this OKC squad even if they're 7-1 rn and to joel's point some of the 1st round picks the thunder have this coming draft are Valuable and could land OKC another young talent.
To answer Drew’s question laxed officiating when it’s comes to dribbling (the hand placement going from just on the top of the ball to then the side and now people be having their hand under the ball💀 the amount of carrying people do now is insane), the freedom of movement rules, damn near 90% of picks set today would be called illegal screens in the 2000s etc… they’ve been changing the game with rules (or atleast how they enforce them) for a while it never really stopped happening people just notice it less and/or just chalk up everything as the players just getting better and the game evolving
I think if we can get poetl, we're a real contender. maybe Grayson and like 2 seconds?
Yall got the whole lakers trade messed up. It was Kobe, Dwight, and would be cp3
Jessie bates should be in the DPOY conversation
Look Joel i don't think you should put Nick nurse or doc rivers in the same sentence overall there is no way they are mirrors of each other overall.🏀
Surprised that chair can handle riv hips
The bucks don’t have their pick at all in next years draft. It’s either it’s top 4 and goes to the pels or 5-30 and it goes to the nets
The nba viewership numbers is a by product of devaluing the regular season if all that matters is championships why should you watch a random game in November
Y’all didn’t talk about JSN’s 180 yard game😭
Respect drew brees
NFL is competitive every week , nba is just not a good watch until playoffs.
Plus it’s too many damn games 😂
Penei Sewell literally got tripped up by Zietler and Preston smith requested the trade because he said the scheme didn’t fit him … please watch actual film stop being lazy
Arron Mosby used a speed bull rush and extended and pressed his hands on Sewell and that pushed Sewell back causing him to trip.
It was a great rep
2:08:31 idk what riv was cooking
Didn’t Lakers get Howard in 2012 tho or something
yep thats what they are forgetting. It wouldve been Kobe, Dwight, and cp3. instead they got an aging Nash
I dont understand why Joel keeps putting Brunson in "heliocentric" conversations.... He was asked to play that way last season due to limited secondary scoring options. Brunson has played great next to Luka, he has played great next Randle. Two very high ball dominant players. He can play off-ball or he can play as the focal point of a offense.
knicks offense is 100% jalen brunson lol it's definitely heliocentric
that doesn't mean that he can't play a different way. he can. but he only became a "top 15 player" when he was the main focal point of an offense making 95% of the decisions
@pickaside I won't call brunson that based off a half a season (Randle went down) and his 2nd option being Donte and 6 games into 2025 season.. thats not enough sample size for him to have that label. Shai had a higher ball usage % than brunson last season why aren't you calling him heliocentric? Majority of the players in Top 15 has a wayyyyy better 2nd option than us as well, if their 2nd best shot creator was Donte they would be taking matters into their own hands alot more
RIV HAS A SON ??? thought the dude was like 21
the solution is adding a 4 point line. 1) we can talk about the best 4 point shooters in nba history. 2) gives us something new. 3) will make games more exciting. 4) if ur down 4 that’s still a one possession game. 5) will make more possible comebacks (if ur down 12 with 90 seconds left there’s still a chance. 6) teams will have to adjust gamelan’s against the currys and dames. 7) it will just make it more fun
Never ever ever ever ever put Lamar Jackson even in the same category as Aaron fucking Rodgers. They aren’t close
Viewership for the NBA will go up when Mfs play more then 40 games
Kyler comeback player of the year?
let’s goooo
Chris Jones DPOY
Hunter Henry took himself out of a play and ppl called himhim smart
🔥🔥
Accessibility is why I barley watched the last two seasons
Joel needs to stop with this dak hate. Man took the market price for qbs and is being told to carry a team with no offensive weapons other than ceedee while down 20 every game.
Dak Prescott has been given better talent than Tony Romo, consistently getting 12 wins. He performs poorly in the playoffs, even lost two playoff games at home which is terrible. So yeah Dak ain’t it
@ Dak has not had better lineups stop yapping. And dak literally was on pace to destroy Peyton mannings record for passing yards in a season in 2020 before he broke his foot. When they had the worst defense ever but they actually gave him a good offense.
@ Btw statistically speaking this man has performed better in the playoffs than most of the qbs in the league rn even Lamar. No qb will ever win games if they don’t have a run game or even at least 2 playmakers on their team. Josh Allen, Mahomes, burrow. Any qb would not be able to make this team rn a winning team. This team is poorly coached, hurt and already was lacking in certain positions.
@@angelarredondo4885 stop it, he does not perform better in the playoffs. Bro the stats are so empty calories, legit he had empty calorie stats against the packers last season. The game was already over in the first half so he was able to persuade you and his fans that he had a good game when he didn’t. We can legit go player for player for the amount of talent or stacked roster Dak had compare to Tony and Dak clearly had better talent than Tony. You know that Dak has the same playoff record as Tony Romo. Dak legit had multiple 12 win seasons and hasn’t reach an nfc championship appearance, let’s face it dude Dak’s ceiling for this team is a wildcard win at best.
@@angelarredondo4885 Dak is overrated, it’s been nine years I believe with him as a cowboy and he hasn’t shown you that he can get you to an nfc championship nor a Super Bowl. It’s every year with the cowboys and Dak, they play great against sub 500 teams but they fold against top tier teams. He lost to the niners twice, one at home in which they were favored to win and the other was a divisional game in which he threw bad ints. Like if he’s that guy you got to win those types of games and he really isn’t that good
All them packages are overpaying for an old and injury prone giannis we good over here respect to everything he does tho but we good. If he's asking out his value drops immediately
he is still a top 3 player in the world
Gotta pay 20$ to watch the pistons 😂
I’m sorry but why is DJ Moore getting blamed for Caleb playing like 💩? Like Caleb legit looks like a bum
Man our vote dont matter first election i cld vote in and ian even do it, rlly js bout the electoral votes
Yall decided to past lateeeeeee
If your not pirating yet you’ve lost the plot! I’m haven’t payed for sports packages, ppvs since 2020. Your just not caught on I guess
Jalen hurts mvp??? Thats so foolish
Yall gotta stop with this Lamar shit bro over drew ???? Him and Mahomes not even a convo
Not sure why people care about the NBA in 2024, its a joke
MAGA BABY TRUMP 2024