Im a Liverpool fan, and I have a lot of respect for Uniteds hardcore element, they are some of the best fans in the country. Without doubt united and Liverpool are the 2 biggest supported teams, and our fans could drive a protest forward. Lets get standing sections introduced and get our atmospheres back! Respect from LFC ... Northerners should stick together despite our differences.
99.999% of man u and scum fans aren't even northerners, let alone from Liverpool or Manchester. Kinda weird to word it as if the majority of the "support" aren't plastics lol
Hey Scott, we got safe standing back. United got atmosphere sections going, one fan run and one club run. Onwards and upwards - just a pity it will never be as good as it was but we can try, it’s definitely improved despite the on pitch performances but then that never really mattered in the 70s.
Been to a few games this season in both scoreboard and Stretford end, actually got a good atmosphere going in the scoreboard, stood up the whole time, singing etc. And have been in good atmospheres in Stretford end right side. However, recently sat Stretford top tier for the first time in a league game against Bournemouth, the area I was in was just filled with grumpy season ticket holders, the bloke next to me turned up 5 minutes late, left 15 minutes early, didn't sing any songs, and was angled away from the pitch in order to chat to the other grumpy season ticket holders, absolute dead wood. Made me feel like I couldn't sing, even though it was only Bournemouth, I can't help but feeling people like this should make way for younger lads and go and sit in one of the quieter seated stands, Stretford end should all be made standing, less families and more young people, less grumpy old season ticket holders just there to chat
It doesn't take a lot to get an atmosphere going, all you need is like 10-20 guys to start chanting, and keep them going for 90 minutes, gradually more people will get involved, then you can bring flags and drums etc, instead of waiting for someone else to do it, go and do it yourselves, you don't need the club's permission to sing, just do it..
Agree with you except for the drums But if the club doesn't allow it you can't do much about it imo. CCTV and before you know it next time you get a ban for standing up.
Thats not strictly true though. If you stick 20 guys into an area that is not vocal it doesn't change the mentality of the people surrounding the 20. Your lads took almost a decade before they were accepted by the club and some of the fans. Plus you had a mass of space that allowed likeminded fans to relocate to join the vocal fans. Clubs like United, and even my club, Norwich, cannot achieve this when all the seats around the vocal support are already taken. In fact, i'd even go as far as saying that the Holmesdale's growth within the stand is stunted now, i bet there are plenty of people in other stands that want to be involved, but can't because the area around the HF has been allocated to people who have sat there for decades and do not want to move. Unreserved seating/safestanding areas is the only way that this country will ever recapture the atmospheres of days gone by.
Celtic reintroduced this last season and it's been amazing... obviously Celtic is not the first club you'd think about during discussions on lack of atmosphere, but it can get a bit dull during smaller SPFL fixtures like Kilmarnock etc... There's 3000 safe standing capacity (Rail Seating) and it's been a huge success. There were some complaints in the beginning as people that had season tickets in this area when it was a seated area were uplifted.
Borussia Dortmund have a section in there stadium called the 'yellow wall' where every fans are dressed in the teams colour, non stop singing/chanting, massive flags and banners, flares, synchronized jumping etc. All this creates a unique and monstrous atmosphere in the stadium which shows how much the club means to them. If the Stretford End was like this MUFC would have the loudest and most passionate fans not only in Europe but in the world but right now, Old Trafford is just a library.
I think the problem is the exclusivity of getting a season ticket, I tried to get one but failed for a couple of years and now its not possible due to other commitments, they need to make a system of getting young kids to all get season tickets together for a cheaper price, somewhere like the Stretford End tier 1 or next to the singing section so, as Pete said, they can "aspire" to get in the singing section or into Stretty tier 2 and they can move together. This way the supporters can have a sense of belonging where they sit instead of just being with a load of strangers. Also the club need to listen to organisations such as MUST more as, at the end of the day, they are the voice of the people so the club need to recognise these groups and work with them to make improvements to the Old Trafford layout and ticketing system as a whole.
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Top top documentary. Quality work. Hopefully, sometime in the near future, the Stretford End will be re-united with its standing areas in the form of Safe Standing and then from there on, as fans, we can reclaim its former beauty together. Something that will never be achieved while there's thousands of red seats there! One day, Red Army!
Standing was safe in 1989 and it would have been safer without fences. I started going to matches at Old Trafford in the 1964/65 and stood on the Stretford End most weeks (with the odd mover over to the Scoreboard or the Paddock). I saw a few pitch invasions but there were rare and only one when a game was in progress (City, '74). Hillsborough was caused by police incompetence and the fact that the fans were fenced in and had no way out. They had those fences up at Hillsborough in 1977 when we played Leeds there and it was claustrophobic to say the least. Hillsborough could have happened to any set of fans.
@@josephrobinson7767 I don't think you remember when we won our 19th League title we put up a banner in the Liverpool end 19 TIMES MUFC it was there for more than 15 minutes 🇾🇪🇾🇪🇾🇪
@@josephrobinson7767 no one knows of the KOP outside UK apart from LFC fans STRETFORD END was known as the most terrifying terrace not just in England but in Europe in 60s and 70s maybe not too much after that. Your probably like a 15 or 20 yr old who's been going games for 5 or 10 yrs. I'm over 50 I know what I'm on about MANC BORN AND BRED. 🇾🇪 RED ARMY caused riot all over Europe. 🇾🇪🇾🇪🇾🇪🇾🇪 YANITED
Fast forward to now. I'm doing the same thing except i have to pay £40 to get in the Stretford End, it's took me until December to actually get in the Stretford end this season, i've had to sit all around the ground.
At Elland Rd we have achieved a singing end in the South Stand ( which is the opposite of the traditional singing Gelderd End ) but it look several years of problems with the Stewards ,Police ,Club and safety officers opposing it culminating in a ban on ticket sales in the end after a major altercation with fans Police and Stewards . Its now been unofficially accepted that its a standing and singing end and the tensions have gone. Its avoided by families and older people and the younger lads now buy their season tickets for that end . Our problem now lies away from home as we have away season ticket holders who are mainly alcoholic over 55s who stand there with their hangovers already kicking in from a 4 hr pre match drinking session with their arms crossed and unless there is huge allocation the singing types cant get a ticket . Your comment about Acoustics at OT is very relevant . At ER the South stand roof slopes down towards the pitch while the Gelderd End one slopes upwards so the sound is less channeled in the latter . Also 2 tier stands with the top one overlapping the bottom one makes it very hard to coordinate the singing between the top and bottom section who can't see each other. Thats why Spurs deliberately designed their new ground with a proper big one tier end .
Old trafford is a huge ground, the sound just doesn't stay in the ground. The acoustics have to be changed. In the stadiums at borussia dortmund, real madrid and barcelona, the stands are so near to the pitch and the stadium is so enclosed, the sound just doesn't leave the stadium.
2 reasons as to why I didn't renew my season ticket this season: 1) It was really expensive to maintain 2) most importantly, I sat in South Stand block 121 towards Stretford End and it was dead. Money aside, I did not come to sit on my seat quietly and watch my team. I came to stand up, cheer the lads on whenever I could and start singing in accordance with the songs emanating from the Stretford End, but no one else near me stood up or sung or shouted anything. I felt like an outcast...
Good call. We should take a leaf from the book of the homeland of our club's owners - the NBA teams have cameras going around the crowd and then hand out prizes for the most enthusiastic fan. Great attitude
I was going to write a long comment because this is a subject that hits home hard with me but I've said it all before on various You Tube videos and it all boils to one fact - football is NOTHING without atmosphere. All seater stadia certainly started the ball rolling but modern society and the people it has spawned mean we'll never get the glory days of the 70's and 80's back whether people are sat down or not.
Slightly different situation at the London stadium, it’s not that the hard core local lads are being replaced by tourists (no tourist would wanna come and see our shite team), but it’s the stadium itself. Corporate soulless bowl completely unfit for football but it keeps the money rolling in. Nothing us fans can do I’m afraid, the game has moved on and we can complain all we like, but we are mere customers to the business that is (it was) once our beloved football team
I knew that would happen with West Ham. Hard to get the atmosphere going in a stadium like that to far away from the pitch, shame because Upton Park was class. Away fans are the best way to rate fans these days and West Ham are up there even if they sing the same generic crap when they come to Old Trafford.
Well done on the documentary. I absolutely agree with what is said here. It isn't just an Old Trafford problem, it's a modern football problem in England. From our side at MUSC UAE, we always had a "terrace" culture. We have a standing area for lads which want to just stand, have a pint & sing their lungs out. Therefore, matchday culture is taught by us. It was a gradual process but MUSC UAE is probably the loudest supporters club in the MENA Region.
I don't support either FC United or Man U but you're saying they should support FC United and are saying that if they support Man U they probably live nowhere near Manchester, sound that.
Totally agree that standing was nothing to do with what happened at Hillsborough. I'm a 17 y/o Stretford Ender so I understood when they were on about a new generation of fans but for that to happen something has to be done about prices.
Very good video. "Ive seen many games @ Anfield , Celtic Park, Arsenal etc and especially if its not a so-called big game you can hear a pin drop BUT hardly anyone mentions it " Absolutely Spot On !!
Old Trafford went with the name "Theatre of Dreams" aren't for nothing. Because the ground's atmosphere is a dream itself, the most wonderous, high-spirited, chants-casting, scousers-killing atmosphere!! Even in Indonesia, if we went to watch at a Pub, it would give me chills everytime we sang, loud and true from our hearts
used to get the match bus, in the paddock, singing knees up mother brown to the doc. smoke, drink and swear ya head off...couldnt do that in school. pure mancs in them days, working class...all middle class now, in our day the noise was unbelieveable, piss in a pintpot an fling it at a cockney...memorys
so true,,, I was always on the left side,,, we used to shout the right side down, and the tunnel,,, kick off 3pm used be in there by 1pm,, last time I went I stood up and join in the banta and singing,, looked round I had a 6yr kid n family,, behind was a 4+6+9yr old family, and they looked shocked,,, Fuck I was shocked by the response, and then I had a steward came and told me to sit and be quiet,,, its not a fucking cinema I replied, then another 3 stewards came and told me to sit,,,,,luckly we lost and at the end I cheered the winners? I knew I was safe the kids around me just ran haha there parents faster,,, no probs with kids but eh totally agree with this video, bring back the passion,,,,,,,,
great documentary, some good old footage and ive never heard that Stretford Ender song lol. Agree with it all, L block would deffo work better than up in the gods.
I hate your club (sorry, only Man United!!!) but that;s true. You;ve got a lots of money now, but also famous 20.000 empty seats and "sandwiches with prawns and mayo"~Keano. Sad, so sad. But keep going lads!
doesn't help when you get one timers who come over and don't know any songs aswell so sing also doesn't help when the prices of season tickets are way too high i can only afford like maybe 4 or 5 games (home) and try to go away around where i live hopefully i can land a job get the money in for a season ticket and the good days should be good and i won't care what anyone in the ground says i will sing my heart out cause thats who i am united till i die
No top ground creates an atmosphere anything like reminiscent of yesteryear. Just another sad fact of today's football. All-seater stadia detract from atmosphere but just as likely to do so is the 'new football fan'. Fans who follow a team because they're successful and no nothing of its history or fan culture and consequently contribute nothing, other than to their respective clubs' store tills. In my day fans rallied the team to play good football. Sadly now it has to be good football in order to get arses off seats.
+79dougb Not for me. YNWA is sang as players come out and on 90th minute, with very little in between. Heard the players shouting to each other there as much as elsewhere. But they haven't resorted to taking a drum in as other fans do, in order to create a 'fantastic atmosphere' at least.
+79dougb And there lies the problem. Both Euro nights. Compare them to the dismal, non-existent atmosphere at PL games where players can easily be heard over crowd 'noise'. All grounds have suffered with the inception of all seater stadia. On top of this, grounds are infested with people who follow success. Some wearing a Leicester top today, would most likely have donned a United, City or Chelsea top over the last few years. The game can do without supporters like this who contribute nothing, other than money, to it.
+79dougb A wise choice! I was there on THAT night, in United Road. I also went to the first leg, my first European adventure. Memories of decent atmospheres are all I have left now sadly. Thank God for TH-cam!
Errrm supported utd all my life live in preston lancs,sat next to loadsa locals young and old that never really sing, the problem is deffo the seating no dout at all, it can be done better.I get all the comments on this,some people do act like theyre at an attraction like disney land..But united cant go back to a 30,000 seater stadium where everybody lives round the corner anymore,surley we all know that.
Not only do we need a singing section and that to be a standing section, but we also need the Club to help out. Like when they gave Champ19ns scarves to every fan and the whole stadium was lit up with scarves....I am sure the Club could play a part because even with a singing section, the rest of the stadium will be sitting there. At least give them something to wave and intimidate the opposing team when coming out with a sea of red.... Just a thought...
yeah if youre paying £60 for a ticket. a scarf worth about £5 being given to the fans for free would be a great idea and I seriously doubt it would hurt the club's pocket much. all it will do is benefit the atmosphere which will benefit results and increase the chances of success
The trial against sociedad wiz a success and there were only 1400 in the corner, bump that up to 3k and also the east stand lower joining in and the atmosphere is gunna great, Utd av the nosiest away support in the country, all the fans that do aways need to b in this section
I'm not from UK, i live in southeast asia.. I felt really heartbroken when i see some supporters (not just United), they're just taking pictures They don't know how people like me who's really passionate about football have to work our asses up to save some money to get there and want to chanting all 90 minutes till my lungs are out of breath!
come to winsdor park if you want to chant for 90 minutes. "th-cam.com/video/Yv1Vxa0u59Q/w-d-xo.html" I was shocked when I went to EPL games, they are so quiet.
We need an Ultras group..It's worked great for Celtic and Rangers ..I know it's not traditionally our culture but it's the best way forward and hopefully standing section along the lower Stretty for 18 to 40 year olds..And get the posh seats out of the Stretford end FFS.. We're at the point where some MLS teams have better support than English Clubs.Its disgusting how our football supporting culture has been purposely dismantled
Personally I wud put the singing section in the bottom tier of the stretford end, top tier of the stretty is always noisey but the noise mostly stays up there, all the noises fans need to b more at pitch level
This is the problem,especially asian people who they haven't any fan culture at all.I am from Greece,and i try to learn as many songs as i can to be ready to sing with you when i will come to our home,old trafford.You must put all the tourist in a specific area,as away fans.Give the ground to british people.Man utd fans from other countries,as me,we cant make the atmosphere that old trafford must have,because some of them they dont have any fan culture or they dont know english very well.
Me and my Mum and Dad are "day trippers" and we leave every game we go to with hardly any voice left. We need to promote the chants. Have people handing out lyrics, drums, horns and chanting outside the ground i went to Man utd vs Liverpool in the league cup and that was by far the best ive been in at trafford for a cup game in years, we just need to teach these "day trippers" and the familys and the asian executives and all that about the singing cus they do support the club and bring the club the money we need to continue forward. We should move singing sections to each corner of the ground and refrain from swearing in main chants so all feel ok to join in as i know my mum and dad dont approve of it when lots of children around. MUFC 20 times the busby way
It disappeared mate under a barrage of tourists and out of towners just turning up for a day out and to spend money in the souvenir shop, Liverpool is no different, both teams are victims of there own success, last time I was at Anfield was like being at any tourist attraction in London and eventually the local lads become fed up with it and the constant struggle to get tickets eventually leads them away from it, so you end up with more day trippers than locals who don’t know most of the songs and probably don’t know what the songs represent
I think this is the best idea.Make a tourist section. (see this video "8.000 crazy ARIS fans in Manchester") I was there,i am fan of ARIS thessalonikis too.My dream is to sing like this with man utd fans against these scumsWe sung for 90 minuttes,we didnt care about the result..Manchester is only red.
only charge £10 for local lads with proof of post code to keep local interest or the locals won't be bothered to come cos they can't afford it..its sad to see all the day trippers n tourists...stick em all in the same section make the stretford end all standing and singing..and bring back tackling!!👹
we need clubs help, sometimes guest fans are louder, it's afful,,, we need better atmosphere, to be louder, more choreographys, flags, waves, we need football fans!!!... imagine stretford end like this /watch?v=QJaC0IFQ-Bg this is crazy north
WTF yer when we play smaller clubs it is more dead but fuck me when im there i dont give a fuck i sing an shout no matter what ! even if we are losing its all about showing the team that your behind them and youl suport them no matter what the score ... yer ive seen people sitting down and once or twice ive said to people 'how can ya sit thru that?! call ya self a MUFC fan?! but ive also seen old men 70+ standin there shouting ! i remember this 1 game years ago when Forlan played for us there was a old guy next to me and he was shouting that loud 'DIAGOOOOO' i couldent hear owt else!!
so it should be... you have about 30-40k more fans in the ground than many other clubs... whats more alarming is that the sound was only louder than other grounds by a small margin
peter reid lol the amount of people has feck all to do with it.... A smaller ground should be louder btw seeing as its tighter and the echo alone would create more noise!
TheIri5H are you seriously saying that more people shouting or singing doesn't affect the decibel reading? are you seriously saying that 1 person can be as loud as 10 people? are you stupid? old trafford is covered all the way around.. the acoustics should be much better than lets say... goodison park.... but im still baffled to how you think 40k more people shouting shouldnt make a difference..
What I'm "Seriously saying" is that other stadiums like Stamford bridge, The ethihad,"Goodison park" should be competing with old trafford on a noise level. They didn't even come close. No i am not stupid but thanks you for your concern. Also my point was the fact that we have no atmosphere is bullshit.... seeing as we have the best atmosphere home and away btw breh are away fans tested loudest aswel. Now move on numpty!!
TheIri5H old trafford has 30k more people in their grounds and JUST get a higher decibel levels... places like the stadium of light often get bigger decibel levels over old trafford... do some research.. just because you say you have a better atmosphere doesn't mean you have... now stop trying to re-write the laws of physics.. Your atmosphere is a joke.. stadium full of tourists. rarely do you hear a manc accent at old trafford.
Great video but it's totally wrong to blame the poor atmosphere on day trippers. Only a tiny percentage of people at a game have bought a ticket on the day or are not season ticket holders. The main problem is with all seater standing, increased pricing, and tbh some terrible songs! The bloke who writes them should be sacked!!! Let's have our own version using the tune to Fields Of Athenry /Father's Advice! GGMU. LUHG.
Rahadian Widiarso 5 times with a real european cup in our trophy room not the imitation you have lol...only liverpool ajax bayern real barca acmilan have real authentic european cups in our trophy cabinets for winning the cup five time or 3 times in a row...still in our shadow and still the most successful club in england with 44 MAJOR trophies to your 42...and were still the only english club to dominate europe.
So what?! Is it about measuring penis size, isn't it? I'd go back to the 60's or 70's any time. Not many trophies but partisan noise and atmosphere at OT!
i suppose the journey to old trafford for united fans takes it out of them, so the atmosphere is tired... they have to travel from london everytime hahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahhahahhahhahahhaahhahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahhaha
i used the word soulless.... i never once thought you had any soul. well in terms of football anyway. win lose or draw it doesnt matter to you because you will just turn your TV over to watch the london wasps or the equestrian.
last season liverpool at home a woman turned around to us and said 'be quiet its only a game of football'.....fucking disgrace
dkellzam typical. Many women don't understand the heritage and togetherness involved for men. Especially during peace times.
Lmao, smash her head with a TV and tell her to take it home
The fuck was she there for??
Tell her to fck off back to her kitchen
Im a Liverpool fan, and I have a lot of respect for Uniteds hardcore element, they are some of the best fans in the country. Without doubt united and Liverpool are the 2 biggest supported teams, and our fans could drive a protest forward. Lets get standing sections introduced and get our atmospheres back! Respect from LFC ... Northerners should stick together despite our differences.
A bit late but agreed.
Liverpool play crowd noise through fkin speakers for the whole 90 minutes hate scallys anyway how embarrassing!%%%
99.999% of man u and scum fans aren't even northerners, let alone from Liverpool or Manchester. Kinda weird to word it as if the majority of the "support" aren't plastics lol
Hey Scott, we got safe standing back.
United got atmosphere sections going, one fan run and one club run.
Onwards and upwards - just a pity it will never be as good as it was but we can try, it’s definitely improved despite the on pitch performances but then that never really mattered in the 70s.
Been to a few games this season in both scoreboard and Stretford end, actually got a good atmosphere going in the scoreboard, stood up the whole time, singing etc. And have been in good atmospheres in Stretford end right side. However, recently sat Stretford top tier for the first time in a league game against Bournemouth, the area I was in was just filled with grumpy season ticket holders, the bloke next to me turned up 5 minutes late, left 15 minutes early, didn't sing any songs, and was angled away from the pitch in order to chat to the other grumpy season ticket holders, absolute dead wood. Made me feel like I couldn't sing, even though it was only Bournemouth, I can't help but feeling people like this should make way for younger lads and go and sit in one of the quieter seated stands, Stretford end should all be made standing, less families and more young people, less grumpy old season ticket holders just there to chat
It doesn't take a lot to get an atmosphere going, all you need is like 10-20 guys to start chanting, and keep them going for 90 minutes, gradually more people will get involved, then you can bring flags and drums etc, instead of waiting for someone else to do it, go and do it yourselves, you don't need the club's permission to sing, just do it..
Agree with you except for the drums
But if the club doesn't allow it you can't do much about it imo.
CCTV and before you know it next time you get a ban for standing up.
Thats not strictly true though.
If you stick 20 guys into an area that is not vocal it doesn't change the mentality of the people surrounding the 20.
Your lads took almost a decade before they were accepted by the club and some of the fans. Plus you had a mass of space that allowed likeminded fans to relocate to join the vocal fans.
Clubs like United, and even my club, Norwich, cannot achieve this when all the seats around the vocal support are already taken. In fact, i'd even go as far as saying that the Holmesdale's growth within the stand is stunted now, i bet there are plenty of people in other stands that want to be involved, but can't because the area around the HF has been allocated to people who have sat there for decades and do not want to move.
Unreserved seating/safestanding areas is the only way that this country will ever recapture the atmospheres of days gone by.
Celtic reintroduced this last season and it's been amazing... obviously Celtic is not the first club you'd think about during discussions on lack of atmosphere, but it can get a bit dull during smaller SPFL fixtures like Kilmarnock etc...
There's 3000 safe standing capacity (Rail Seating) and it's been a huge success. There were some complaints in the beginning as people that had season tickets in this area when it was a seated area were uplifted.
GHendyTV terrace, we need terrace back
GHendyTV ..yeh but these days you n your mates get separated and you can end up sitting next to a tourist!👹
All stadiums have no atmosphere this happened when the grounds became all seater I'll stick to my memories of the 70's and 80's
Gary Strachan ok boomer
Borussia Dortmund have a section in there stadium called the 'yellow wall' where every fans are dressed in the teams colour, non stop singing/chanting, massive flags and banners, flares, synchronized jumping etc. All this creates a unique and monstrous atmosphere in the stadium which shows how much the club means to them. If the Stretford End was like this MUFC would have the loudest and most passionate fans not only in Europe but in the world but right now, Old Trafford is just a library.
morob196 we had it in the 60s, 70s, and eighties.
"If the stretford end was a completely different set of fans then they'd be the best fans"
So on the nose
I think the problem is the exclusivity of getting a season ticket, I tried to get one but failed for a couple of years and now its not possible due to other commitments, they need to make a system of getting young kids to all get season tickets together for a cheaper price, somewhere like the Stretford End tier 1 or next to the singing section so, as Pete said, they can "aspire" to get in the singing section or into Stretty tier 2 and they can move together. This way the supporters can have a sense of belonging where they sit instead of just being with a load of strangers.
Also the club need to listen to organisations such as MUST more as, at the end of the day, they are the voice of the people so the club need to recognise these groups and work with them to make improvements to the Old Trafford layout and ticketing system as a whole.
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Great work!
Bet you don’t remember this
Top top documentary. Quality work. Hopefully, sometime in the near future, the Stretford End will be re-united with its standing areas in the form of Safe Standing and then from there on, as fans, we can reclaim its former beauty together. Something that will never be achieved while there's thousands of red seats there! One day, Red Army!
Standing was safe in 1989 and it would have been safer without fences. I started going to matches at Old Trafford in the 1964/65 and stood on the Stretford End most weeks (with the odd mover over to the Scoreboard or the Paddock). I saw a few pitch invasions but there were rare and only one when a game was in progress (City, '74).
Hillsborough was caused by police incompetence and the fact that the fans were fenced in and had no way out. They had those fences up at Hillsborough in 1977 when we played Leeds there and it was claustrophobic to say the least. Hillsborough could have happened to any set of fans.
@@josephrobinson7767 the Stretford End took over the KOP TWICE. LET THAT SINK IN. LATE 60s and early 90s 🖕
@@josephrobinson7767 I don't think you remember when we won our 19th League title we put up a banner in the Liverpool end 19 TIMES MUFC it was there for more than 15 minutes 🇾🇪🇾🇪🇾🇪
@@josephrobinson7767 no one knows of the KOP outside UK apart from LFC fans STRETFORD END was known as the most terrifying terrace not just in England but in Europe in 60s and 70s maybe not too much after that. Your probably like a 15 or 20 yr old who's been going games for 5 or 10 yrs. I'm over 50 I know what I'm on about MANC BORN AND BRED. 🇾🇪 RED ARMY caused riot all over Europe. 🇾🇪🇾🇪🇾🇪🇾🇪 YANITED
@@josephrobinson7767 well if you want to talk success MUFC biggest club in England
Used to get the match bus from Langley every other Saturday and pay three quid to get in the Stretford End fucking great times!!
Fast forward to now. I'm doing the same thing except i have to pay £40 to get in the Stretford End, it's took me until December to actually get in the Stretford end this season, i've had to sit all around the ground.
At Elland Rd we have achieved a singing end in the South Stand ( which is the opposite of the traditional singing Gelderd End ) but it look several years of problems with the Stewards ,Police ,Club and safety officers opposing it culminating in a ban on ticket sales in the end after a major altercation with fans Police and Stewards . Its now been unofficially accepted that its a standing and singing end and the tensions have gone. Its avoided by families and older people and the younger lads now buy their season tickets for that end . Our problem now lies away from home as we have away season ticket holders who are mainly alcoholic over 55s who stand there with their hangovers already kicking in from a 4 hr pre match drinking session with their arms crossed and unless there is huge allocation the singing types cant get a ticket . Your comment about Acoustics at OT is very relevant . At ER the South stand roof slopes down towards the pitch while the Gelderd End one slopes upwards so the sound is less channeled in the latter . Also 2 tier stands with the top one overlapping the bottom one makes it very hard to coordinate the singing between the top and bottom section who can't see each other. Thats why Spurs deliberately designed their new ground with a proper big one tier end .
Absolutely brilliant! Hopefully progress will continue to reclaim a solution for a great atmosphere..
Old trafford is a huge ground, the sound just doesn't stay in the ground. The acoustics have to be changed. In the stadiums at borussia dortmund, real madrid and barcelona, the stands are so near to the pitch and the stadium is so enclosed, the sound just doesn't leave the stadium.
2 reasons as to why I didn't renew my season ticket this season:
1) It was really expensive to maintain
2) most importantly, I sat in South Stand block 121 towards Stretford End and it was dead. Money aside, I did not come to sit on my seat quietly and watch my team. I came to stand up, cheer the lads on whenever I could and start singing in accordance with the songs emanating from the Stretford End, but no one else near me stood up or sung or shouted anything. I felt like an outcast...
Good call. We should take a leaf from the book of the homeland of our club's owners - the NBA teams have cameras going around the crowd and then hand out prizes for the most enthusiastic fan. Great attitude
We judged most enthusiastic fan by different criteria....like which one was giving the best kicking to some daft fucking Scouser.
Wow, can't believe I've randomly found your comment here 😅 It's like meeting Jesus in the desert. 9 years ago? Goddamn, you've come a long WAY!
I was going to write a long comment because this is a subject that hits home hard with me but I've said it all before on various You Tube videos and it all boils to one fact - football is NOTHING without atmosphere. All seater stadia certainly started the ball rolling but modern society and the people it has spawned mean we'll never get the glory days of the 70's and 80's back whether people are sat down or not.
Slightly different situation at the London stadium, it’s not that the hard core local lads are being replaced by tourists (no tourist would wanna come and see our shite team), but it’s the stadium itself. Corporate soulless bowl completely unfit for football but it keeps the money rolling in. Nothing us fans can do I’m afraid, the game has moved on and we can complain all we like, but we are mere customers to the business that is (it was) once our beloved football team
I knew that would happen with West Ham. Hard to get the atmosphere going in a stadium like that to far away from the pitch, shame because Upton Park was class. Away fans are the best way to rate fans these days and West Ham are up there even if they sing the same generic crap when they come to Old Trafford.
Well done on the documentary. I absolutely agree with what is said here. It isn't just an Old Trafford problem, it's a modern football problem in England. From our side at MUSC UAE, we always had a "terrace" culture. We have a standing area for lads which want to just stand, have a pint & sing their lungs out. Therefore, matchday culture is taught by us. It was a gradual process but MUSC UAE is probably the loudest supporters club in the MENA Region.
Start supporting FC United.
Glory hunting bastards, probably dont live anywhere near manchester
Their far left commie politics put some off
I don't support either FC United or Man U but you're saying they should support FC United and are saying that if they support Man U they probably live nowhere near Manchester, sound that.
Harry Barker
Gorton near enough??
Totally agree that standing was nothing to do with what happened at Hillsborough. I'm a 17 y/o Stretford Ender so I understood when they were on about a new generation of fans but for that to happen something has to be done about prices.
Wow they was the days,one love man united🔴🔴🔴🔴
Very good video. "Ive seen many games @ Anfield , Celtic Park, Arsenal etc and especially if its not a so-called big game you can hear a pin drop BUT hardly anyone mentions it " Absolutely Spot On !!
Definitely. All these ideas put together will create a fantastic atmosphere.
Old Trafford went with the name "Theatre of Dreams" aren't for nothing. Because the ground's atmosphere is a dream itself, the most wonderous, high-spirited, chants-casting, scousers-killing atmosphere!! Even in Indonesia, if we went to watch at a Pub, it would give me chills everytime we sang, loud and true from our hearts
used to get the match bus, in the paddock, singing knees up mother brown to the doc. smoke, drink and swear ya head off...couldnt do that in school.
pure mancs in them days, working class...all middle class now, in our day the noise was unbelieveable, piss in a pintpot an fling it at a cockney...memorys
I am united
Glory glory MU
👍👍👍
about two years ago i watched united in basel and was next to the united fans.. the united supporters were so quiet, couldn't understand that :(
Bring back standing, Even 90% of Liverpool fans want it
so true,,, I was always on the left side,,, we used to shout the right side down, and the tunnel,,, kick off 3pm used be in there by 1pm,, last time I went I stood up and join in the banta and singing,, looked round I had a 6yr kid n family,, behind was a 4+6+9yr old family, and they looked shocked,,, Fuck I was shocked by the response, and then I had a steward came and told me to sit and be quiet,,, its not a fucking cinema I replied, then another 3 stewards came and told me to sit,,,,,luckly we lost and at the end I cheered the winners? I knew I was safe the kids around me just ran haha there parents faster,,, no probs with kids but eh totally agree with this video, bring back the passion,,,,,,,,
great documentary, some good old footage and ive never heard that Stretford Ender song lol. Agree with it all, L block would deffo work better than up in the gods.
Its the same at City football is dying for old school lads......loads have stopped going replaced by people with big cameras and Ipads
I hate your club (sorry, only Man United!!!) but that;s true. You;ve got a lots of money now, but also famous 20.000 empty seats and "sandwiches with prawns and mayo"~Keano. Sad, so sad. But keep going lads!
Totally agree, I'm a utd fan and a season ticket holder. People on iPads , iPhones its ridiculous.
Brilliant video and some great points made.
doesn't help when you get one timers who come over and don't know any songs aswell so sing also doesn't help when the prices of season tickets are way too high i can only afford like maybe 4 or 5 games (home) and try to go away around where i live hopefully i can land a job get the money in for a season ticket and the good days should be good and i won't care what anyone in the ground says i will sing my heart out cause thats who i am united till i die
No top ground creates an atmosphere anything like reminiscent of yesteryear. Just another sad fact of today's football. All-seater stadia detract from atmosphere but just as likely to do so is the 'new football fan'. Fans who follow a team because they're successful and no nothing of its history or fan culture and consequently contribute nothing, other than to their respective clubs' store tills. In my day fans rallied the team to play good football. Sadly now it has to be good football in order to get arses off seats.
+79dougb Not for me. YNWA is sang as players come out and on 90th minute, with very little in between. Heard the players shouting to each other there as much as elsewhere. But they haven't resorted to taking a drum in as other fans do, in order to create a 'fantastic atmosphere' at least.
+79dougb And there lies the problem. Both Euro nights. Compare them to the dismal, non-existent atmosphere at PL games where players can easily be heard over crowd 'noise'. All grounds have suffered with the inception of all seater stadia. On top of this, grounds are infested with people who follow success. Some wearing a Leicester top today, would most likely have donned a United, City or Chelsea top over the last few years. The game can do without supporters like this who contribute nothing, other than money, to it.
+79dougb A wise choice! I was there on THAT night, in United Road. I also went to the first leg, my first European adventure. Memories of decent atmospheres are all I have left now sadly. Thank God for TH-cam!
we want standing signing section at stretford end.End of discussion.
they do if youre buying them one off... its not exactly easy to be a season ticket holder financially and geographically for some people
Errrm supported utd all my life live in preston lancs,sat next to loadsa locals young and old that never really sing, the problem is deffo the seating no dout at all, it can be done better.I get all the comments on this,some people do act like theyre at an attraction like disney land..But united cant go back to a 30,000 seater stadium where everybody lives round the corner anymore,surley we all know that.
Not only do we need a singing section and that to be a standing section, but we also need the Club to help out. Like when they gave Champ19ns scarves to every fan and the whole stadium was lit up with scarves....I am sure the Club could play a part because even with a singing section, the rest of the stadium will be sitting there. At least give them something to wave and intimidate the opposing team when coming out with a sea of red.... Just a thought...
yeah if youre paying £60 for a ticket. a scarf worth about £5 being given to the fans for free would be a great idea and I seriously doubt it would hurt the club's pocket much. all it will do is benefit the atmosphere which will benefit results and increase the chances of success
Brilliant video.
The trial against sociedad wiz a success and there were only 1400 in the corner, bump that up to 3k and also the east stand lower joining in and the atmosphere is gunna great, Utd av the nosiest away support in the country, all the fans that do aways need to b in this section
I'm not from UK, i live in southeast asia..
I felt really heartbroken when i see some supporters (not just United), they're just taking pictures
They don't know how people like me who's really passionate about football have to work our asses up to save some money to get there and want to chanting all 90 minutes till my lungs are out of breath!
come to winsdor park if you want to chant for 90 minutes. "th-cam.com/video/Yv1Vxa0u59Q/w-d-xo.html" I was shocked when I went to EPL games, they are so quiet.
"th-cam.com/video/dyzvwBR1FmM/w-d-xo.html"
PiPio are you from indonesia?
Your credits attribute the song to Niel Buchan, whoever he is.
We need an Ultras group..It's worked great for Celtic and Rangers ..I know it's not traditionally our culture but it's the best way forward and hopefully standing section along the lower Stretty for 18 to 40 year olds..And get the posh seats out of the Stretford end FFS.. We're at the point where some MLS teams have better support than English Clubs.Its disgusting how our football supporting culture has been purposely dismantled
TRA are doing a good job so far.
this is so true! we need the prices to go down and then the younger generation would start coming!
People are too busy tweeting.
Old Trafford Blues by Martin Buchan
Fuck me. If it was bad 5 years ago - what’s it like now?! Worse and worse every year, I don’t enjoy going anymore...
Personally I wud put the singing section in the bottom tier of the stretford end, top tier of the stretty is always noisey but the noise mostly stays up there, all the noises fans need to b more at pitch level
Definitely....it will create a cycle where it could in fact increase profits due to success from making visiting teams intimidated.
they should make the lower side of the stretford end standing only and see how it goes....
on strentford end thats no quite :D
This is the problem,especially asian people who they haven't any fan culture at all.I am from Greece,and i try to learn as many songs as i can to be ready to sing with you when i will come to our home,old trafford.You must put all the tourist in a specific area,as away fans.Give the ground to british people.Man utd fans from other countries,as me,we cant make the atmosphere that old trafford must have,because some of them they dont have any fan culture or they dont know english very well.
ak1988 hey not all asian are like that. Im from indonesia, i know the culture. Old Trafford just need the terrace. Just like the good old days
fuck me, this my boyhood hero, martin Buchan,
when we were at our best it was better then dortmund are now! FACT! 27:26 sums it up
Good times
and a scarf that is probably made for 2 or 3 quid
Me and my Mum and Dad are "day trippers" and we leave every game we go to with hardly any voice left. We need to promote the chants. Have people handing out lyrics, drums, horns and chanting outside the ground i went to Man utd vs Liverpool in the league cup and that was by far the best ive been in at trafford for a cup game in years, we just need to teach these "day trippers" and the familys and the asian executives and all that about the singing cus they do support the club and bring the club the money we need to continue forward. We should move singing sections to each corner of the ground and refrain from swearing in main chants so all feel ok to join in as i know my mum and dad dont approve of it when lots of children around.
MUFC 20 times the busby way
name of the song at the beginning?
K stands barmy army
It's 20-18 in 2018 #UnitediFukkinLuvIt
Superb
It disappeared mate under a barrage of tourists and out of towners just turning up for a day out and to spend money in the souvenir shop, Liverpool is no different, both teams are victims of there own success, last time I was at Anfield was like being at any tourist attraction in London and eventually the local lads become fed up with it and the constant struggle to get tickets eventually leads them away from it, so you end up with more day trippers than locals who don’t know most of the songs and probably don’t know what the songs represent
Simple agree..
I think this is the best idea.Make a tourist section.
(see this video "8.000 crazy ARIS fans in Manchester")
I was there,i am fan of ARIS thessalonikis too.My dream is to sing like this with man utd fans against these scumsWe sung for 90 minuttes,we didnt care about the result..Manchester is only red.
loved this thanks........ i used to go every week 82- 86 didnt win fuck all but FA CUPS !
the game's gone lads
its not just singing though is it, there is just no Buzz about the place, no excitement
only charge £10 for local lads with proof of post code to keep local interest or the locals won't be bothered to come cos they can't afford it..its sad to see all the day trippers n tourists...stick em all in the same section make the stretford end all standing and singing..and bring back tackling!!👹
what are they singing at 14:45 ?
K Stand Barmy Army
look at the the united fans in the 70s on youtube thats proper fans not like they are now
as a united fan, I think are team and fans have really gotten weaker since Sir Alex Ferguson retired.
Famous atmosphere? Since when did you have atmosphere?
Jadon C were you born in 2010?
we need clubs help, sometimes guest fans are louder, it's afful,,, we need better atmosphere, to be louder, more choreographys, flags, waves, we need football fans!!!... imagine stretford end like this /watch?v=QJaC0IFQ-Bg this is crazy north
Portland has a better atmoshphere than any English team ive seen!
Give it a rest you sausage
come to malaga and you will see a proper atmosphere U N I T E D
That's what 20 hours straight editing does to you!
Schoolboy error that really!
WTF yer when we play smaller clubs it is more dead but fuck me when im there i dont give a fuck i sing an shout no matter what ! even if we are losing its all about showing the team that your behind them and youl suport them no matter what the score ... yer ive seen people sitting down and once or twice ive said to people 'how can ya sit thru that?! call ya self a MUFC fan?! but ive also seen old men 70+ standin there shouting ! i remember this 1 game years ago when Forlan played for us there was a old guy next to me and he was shouting that loud 'DIAGOOOOO' i couldent hear owt else!!
Old Trafford was clocked as the loudest stadium in the premier league this weekend in a standard 1-0 vs Palace. This is a myth as it stands.
so it should be... you have about 30-40k more fans in the ground than many other clubs... whats more alarming is that the sound was only louder than other grounds by a small margin
peter reid lol the amount of people has feck all to do with it.... A smaller ground should be louder btw seeing as its tighter and the echo alone would create more noise!
TheIri5H are you seriously saying that more people shouting or singing doesn't affect the decibel reading? are you seriously saying that 1 person can be as loud as 10 people? are you stupid? old trafford is covered all the way around.. the acoustics should be much better than lets say... goodison park.... but im still baffled to how you think 40k more people shouting shouldnt make a difference..
What I'm "Seriously saying" is that other stadiums like Stamford bridge, The ethihad,"Goodison park" should be competing with old trafford on a noise level. They didn't even come close. No i am not stupid but thanks you for your concern. Also my point was the fact that we have no atmosphere is bullshit.... seeing as we have the best atmosphere home and away btw breh are away fans tested loudest aswel. Now move on numpty!!
TheIri5H old trafford has 30k more people in their grounds and JUST get a higher decibel levels... places like the stadium of light often get bigger decibel levels over old trafford... do some research.. just because you say you have a better atmosphere doesn't mean you have... now stop trying to re-write the laws of physics.. Your atmosphere is a joke.. stadium full of tourists. rarely do you hear a manc accent at old trafford.
The atmosphere at old Trafford is shit been plenty of times just a library club
S.SIRO IT IS TWICE AS LARGE, AND MILAN FC IS A CLUB MORE TITLED IN THE WORLD, BY BY BY MUFC BY BY REAL MADRID AND MANY MORE
What famous atmosphere lol especially when the .majority of man utd fans come from everywhere other than Manchester
Trafford council and the cops have
We're the loudest fans in the league
gonna get worse when I east stand lower are moved about.
/watch?v=4jnxi7sEVoU
imagine this at stretford end?
.keep the red flag flying high...!!!
ps.sorry for my english.
Niel Buchan!
funny this...."we are still the best"... "ermm the stadium accustics are wrong, the sound flows out of the stadium".....FUCKING EXCUSES
Great video but it's totally wrong to blame the poor atmosphere on day trippers. Only a tiny percentage of people at a game have bought a ticket on the day or are not season ticket holders. The main problem is with all seater standing, increased pricing, and tbh some terrible songs! The bloke who writes them should be sacked!!! Let's have our own version using the tune to Fields Of Athenry /Father's Advice! GGMU. LUHG.
***** times...YNWA
20 times.
Robert Cremin
5 times.
Rahadian Widiarso
5 times with a real european cup in our trophy room not the imitation you have lol...only liverpool ajax bayern real barca acmilan have real authentic european cups in our trophy cabinets for winning the cup five time or 3 times in a row...still in our shadow and still the most successful club in england with 44 MAJOR trophies to your 42...and were still the only english club to dominate europe.
So what?! Is it about measuring penis size, isn't it? I'd go back to the 60's or 70's any time. Not many trophies but partisan noise and atmosphere at OT!
Red Shiite
mcfc1962steve fuck you
Burnley F C rule
Nice surname
Shot him dead on the spot , lol
i suppose the journey to old trafford for united fans takes it out of them, so the atmosphere is tired... they have to travel from london everytime hahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahhahahhahhahahhaahhahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahhaha
MUFC 20x why would you even suggest that? you fucking idiot
***** liverpool are great - utd fan, london
***** alwight guvnor
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i used the word soulless.... i never once thought you had any soul. well in terms of football anyway. win lose or draw it doesnt matter to you because you will just turn your TV over to watch the london wasps or the equestrian.
What atmosphere? What bloody Red Army where is red army ? Liverpool scousers is the best
The Other Bok Je you don’t sound like a scouser to me
Atmosphere???? In England?????? Leave it to the European clubs, they all teach you a lesson in your cinema's you call stadiums..
England is in Europe.
Liverpool play crowd noise through speakers for 90 minutes how embarrassing!:%%
Man utd fkin awesome ,early 90s NOT A SHADOW OF THEMSELVES BUT SAME AS ALL !! CHELSEA TDAY IS EMBARASMENT TO ME CARE FREE !%
Killed modern football cfc