What I learned about Niner, is that back in the day, 5 and 9 would get confused with each other, with all the static in radio communications back then. It's the i sound in five and nine more than anything that would cause the trouble, along with the static of the radios, so niner was decided on to get rid of the confusion. Over and out, LOL!
I haven't had any flight training yet, but I'm familiar with the phonetic alphabet and phonetic number systems because I was taught them in the US Navy. "Roger" and "Wilco" are also two phrases that I've learned - the latter one thanks in part to videos much like this. There is one unique difference though, and anyone who is or was a submariner should know this. My time in the Navy was on submarines, and the 1MC the general announcing circuit. A "double - click" on the 1MC microphone was used by topside security watches (namely the Petty Officer of the Deck) to get in touch with the Below Decks Watch (who, as the name applies) was a security watchstander inside the submarine. Excellent job on the video Charlie! Or, as it's common phrase in the US Navy terminology - BRAVO ZULU!
Imagine German pilot saying numbers: “123" then he realises that he made mistake and in hurry corrects himself saying “Nein! 124” so it sounds like he is saying “1239124"
"Over and out" is a classic no-no. 'Over' means I am giving you the privilege of speaking next. 'Out' means the conversation is literally over. 'Over and out' is a slap in the face. I am handing the conversation back to you and I will not listen to you.
Also, alcohol changes the way that you view bands at a bar. “The more you drink, the less they stink”. In other words: if a bar band is terrible early on, then after a few drinks they are much better. I heard this from a friend.😀
Hey Charlie Thank you for the cool video. What is your favorite way to get in contact with ATC on the first call to a new center that is expecting you : 1. LA Center Bugsmasher N8324C with you at 4000 feet (hello? if you were not with him he would not hear you) - 2. LA Center Bugsmasher N8324C checkin' in at 4000 (This is not a hotel). 3. Hello LA Center Bugsmasher N8324C 4000 feet (Hello in this case is not a question, but a statement and it tells ATC this is my first call to you guys) I like number 3 but what is the proper or "Best way" if there is one? Thank you. Any other pilot out there feel free to write your favorite one here.
As far as I know, "5 x 5" doesn't come from ham radio. While we hams rate a signal's readability on a scale from 1 to 5, we rate the signal strength from 1 to 9. In ham parlance, a perfectly readable, strong signal would be described as "five nine". We don't use the word "by". There's a third digit that's only used for continuous wave (Morse code) transmissions, that measures the quality of the signal's tone. A perfect CW signal would be described as "599", pronounced "five nine nine". I don't know where the "5 x 5" terminology comes from. I suspect it originated in the military. The most likely theory I've heard about the origin of "niner" isn't nearly as colorful as some. According to that theory, it was coined to prevent confusion with "five". Also, I was taught that "four" is pronounced as two syllables: "FOW-er".
The term "Tally Ho" is not standard phraseology. Pilots, however, should be familiar with it because it is something they may likely hear another pilot use. "I have the traffic" or similar phrase should be used.
"Squawk" refers to how to operate your transponder. The three most likely instructions you will receive are "Squawk (number)," where you are being asked to enter the given four-digit octal number into your transponder, "Ident," where you are being asked to press the IDENT button on your transponder, and "Squawk VFR," where you are being asked to enter 1200 into your transponder. There are several more, less common, instructions that you may be given. They are enumerated in subparagraph 4-1-20(h) of the Aeronautical Information Manual. The term "squawk" harks back to World War 2, where transponders were a military secret and were referred to by the code name "parrots."
Great video Charlie, but you forgot to mention how to properly pronounce the number 0. I hear countless people mispronounce it "OH" when it should be "ZERO"! "OH" is a letter while "ZERO" is a number. Also, I noticed your contradictory closing remark "OVER AND OUT". Now, maybe you meant that to be humorous, but again, many people don't know the difference. I learned (long ago, mind you) that, in radio communications, the word "OVER" means you have finished speaking and you expect a response from the person with whom you're communicating. The word "OUT" means you are finished speaking and you are signing off. Why would you sign-off if you're expecting a response?
All true Terry, the video was meant to be educational with a more humorous slant. ZERO is correct, so is your reference to OVER and OUT. From an educational viewpoint, the "Non FAA" phraseology was mentioned not to encourage its use, but so pilots could understand what the speaker was trying to convey. I think you would agree, with modern radios and headsets the need for both "over" and "out" has vanished. My attempt at humor
Roger Wilco Five by five Greaser George Buckmaster Ride Report Fish Finder Three zero zero in the ends Pucker Factor Alphabet & Number Phonetics Flying Turbloid
i did not expect to learn about about "sphincter clamping force" during my flying lesson, but i'm glad i did
What I learned about Niner, is that back in the day, 5 and 9 would get confused with each other, with all the static in radio communications back then. It's the i sound in five and nine more than anything that would cause the trouble, along with the static of the radios, so niner was decided on to get rid of the confusion. Over and out, LOL!
Five is supposed to be pronounced as a two syllable word - fi-yive
The sphincter clamping force....LOL!!! 4:06
"...the Department of Redundancy department." I see what you did there! LOL
I haven't had any flight training yet, but I'm familiar with the phonetic alphabet and phonetic number systems because I was taught them in the US Navy. "Roger" and "Wilco" are also two phrases that I've learned - the latter one thanks in part to videos much like this. There is one unique difference though, and anyone who is or was a submariner should know this. My time in the Navy was on submarines, and the 1MC the general announcing circuit. A "double - click" on the 1MC microphone was used by topside security watches (namely the Petty Officer of the Deck) to get in touch with the Below Decks Watch (who, as the name applies) was a security watchstander inside the submarine. Excellent job on the video Charlie! Or, as it's common phrase in the US Navy terminology - BRAVO ZULU!
roger...
Imagine German pilot saying numbers: “123" then he realises that he made mistake and in hurry corrects himself saying “Nein! 124” so it sounds like he is saying “1239124"
"Over and out" is a classic no-no. 'Over' means I am giving you the privilege of speaking next. 'Out' means the conversation is literally over. 'Over and out' is a slap in the face. I am handing the conversation back to you and I will not listen to you.
Also, alcohol changes the way that you view bands at a bar.
“The more you drink, the less they stink”.
In other words: if a bar band is terrible early on, then after a few drinks they are much better.
I heard this from a friend.😀
Thank you Charlie ... great fun!
Roger, Wilco!
Thanks, great video!
Hey Charlie Thank you for the cool video.
What is your favorite way to get in contact with ATC on the first call to a new center that is expecting you :
1. LA Center Bugsmasher N8324C with you at 4000 feet (hello? if you were not with him he would not hear you) -
2. LA Center Bugsmasher N8324C checkin' in at 4000 (This is not a hotel).
3. Hello LA Center Bugsmasher N8324C 4000 feet (Hello in this case is not a question, but a statement and it tells ATC this is my first call to you guys)
I like number 3 but what is the proper or "Best way" if there is one? Thank you. Any other pilot out there feel free to write your favorite one here.
Charles787 #3 except replace “Hello” with “Howdy.” Actually both are unnecessary, but polite.
What's our vector, Victor?
Roger, Roger!
Thanks for this!!
Great Video 👍
When did the phonetic pronunciation of the letter Z change from ZULU to ZED?
As far as I know, "5 x 5" doesn't come from ham radio. While we hams rate a signal's readability on a scale from 1 to 5, we rate the signal strength from 1 to 9. In ham parlance, a perfectly readable, strong signal would be described as "five nine". We don't use the word "by".
There's a third digit that's only used for continuous wave (Morse code) transmissions, that measures the quality of the signal's tone. A perfect CW signal would be described as "599", pronounced "five nine nine".
I don't know where the "5 x 5" terminology comes from. I suspect it originated in the military.
The most likely theory I've heard about the origin of "niner" isn't nearly as colorful as some. According to that theory, it was coined to prevent confusion with "five".
Also, I was taught that "four" is pronounced as two syllables: "FOW-er".
I always answered a radio with Lima Charlie. For loud and clear But that was on the CB
EXCELLENT JOB WELL DONE DEAR SIR ...
5x5 the same as Lima-Bravo? Or is the latter more of a northern thing?
Thanks Charlie.
Is the use of Tally Ho by GA aircraft considered acceptable (for: I have the traffic)?
The term "Tally Ho" is not standard phraseology. Pilots, however, should be familiar with it because it is something they may likely hear another pilot use. "I have the traffic" or similar phrase should be used.
Thank you for the video
Roger, Wilco are in the FAA glossary.
Also, when talking about numbers, folks say OH when they should be saying ZERO. OH (O) is a letter, and ZERO (0) is a number.
Great video Charlie. Now make your viral video about how to fly an airplane (you know, the houses get smaller......)
"Butter" is the new "greaser"
TEN ... FOUR ... GOT YOU LOUD AND CLEAR ... DEAR SIR ...
What does 'Squawk' mean?
"Squawk" refers to how to operate your transponder. The three most likely instructions you will receive are "Squawk (number)," where you are being asked to enter the given four-digit octal number into your transponder, "Ident," where you are being asked to press the IDENT button on your transponder, and "Squawk VFR," where you are being asked to enter 1200 into your transponder.
There are several more, less common, instructions that you may be given. They are enumerated in subparagraph 4-1-20(h) of the Aeronautical Information Manual.
The term "squawk" harks back to World War 2, where transponders were a military secret and were referred to by the code name "parrots."
where’s “the flash!”?
“Fish finder”. A phrase I wish would die off in aviation.
Awesome!! Funnny!
Great video Charlie, but you forgot to mention how to properly pronounce the number 0. I hear countless people mispronounce it "OH" when it should be "ZERO"! "OH" is a letter while "ZERO" is a number.
Also, I noticed your contradictory closing remark "OVER AND OUT". Now, maybe you meant that to be humorous, but again, many people don't know the difference. I learned (long ago, mind you) that, in radio communications, the word "OVER" means you have finished speaking and you expect a response from the person with whom you're communicating. The word "OUT" means you are finished speaking and you are signing off. Why would you sign-off if you're expecting a response?
All true Terry, the video was meant to be educational with a more humorous slant. ZERO is correct, so is your reference to OVER and OUT. From an educational viewpoint, the "Non FAA" phraseology was mentioned not to encourage its use, but so pilots could understand what the speaker was trying to convey. I think you would agree, with modern radios and headsets the need for both "over" and "out" has vanished. My attempt at humor
Tree?
Kewl, a Firesign Theatre reference.
I thought “OTTO” was the slang for autopilot.
Roger
Wilco
Five by five
Greaser
George
Buckmaster
Ride Report
Fish Finder
Three zero zero in the ends
Pucker Factor
Alphabet & Number Phonetics
Flying Turbloid
On the radio? Shouldn't you have said 'with the radio'! 12-21-2021
great stuff Charlie