Identity, Power, and the Left: The Future of Progressive Politics in America
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ย. 2015
- A discussion with:
Noam Chomsky
Institute Professor of Linguistics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Political Theorist and Activist
Brandon Terry (moderator)
Assistant Professor of African and African American Studies and Social Studies, Harvard University
Noam Chomsky lectures are 100% my safe space. Whenever I feel like I'm going crazy, hearing an incisive lecture on history, international politics, and the mechanisms of power reminds me that no, I'm not losing my mind, and there are likeminded people out there speaking truth to power.
There's the Harvard "intellectuals". And then there is Noam. Polite as ever. Low key. Plain speaking. Free from any jargon, or hysterics, his sentences loaded with *facts* revealing the context, and *always* giving *examples* which clearly illustrate the points he is making. And finally, he delivers his views with his own special brand of relentless reason and logic.
manjay49
Those Harvard jabronis dont know nuthin
noam is a fraud.
@@nonrepublicrat bruh
Pretty solid discussion. Amazing that old Noam is still as sharp as ever.
he appeasrs so- as the others are less...
next time they should turn up the audio
Great discussion very civil and informing. Just if the sound was a bit louder it would be good.
Glad you were approved
Still pretty sharp hes giving a university course today
The Noamage gets going at 11:00.
+Doug Tarnopol Any way to crank the volume on the bee-otch, Harvard? If so, and if you do, thanks! Great discussion.
+Doug Tarnopol The Noamage - that's brilliant
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The question begins about 10:07.
do they reeeally need THREE guys to yak before Chomsky starts??
He hasn't much time left, as much people as possible want to cram him in their resumes.
Chomsky sharp as ever. The moderator's questions need improvement: Ask open ended questions and make sure your questions are succinct.
Good talk, good range of questions asked, learned a fair bit.
Glad you approved
hi ! could you turn on the automatic subtitles option ?
Thanks for the lengthy preamble - I saw one of Chomsky's talks recently, and they went on for 20 mins before they finally introduced Chomsky ! Yeah; I'm inpatient, and don't require a fukin expositional analysis by others, prior to him speaking.
+Davemac1116 arseface
+sccc You're clearly articulate for a pissant zombie lol. Care to clarify, moron ?
bigger arseface
+sccc What does your sccc stand for ?
Very well done, as always
The role model of intellectual! Thank you, Noam. ❤
Steinbecks novel “The Grapes of Wrath” was about white poverty and oppression
It’s not only “African” Americans who were dispossessed
Good luck listening to this on the train.
Every one of these lectures is pathetically ill prepared in terms of audio - they need to use the table microphone not the one they clip to their ties and lapels. For goodness sake! Couldn't hear a thing so moving on to something with better audio.
Thanks.
I don't agree when it comes to reparations to black communities, not excluded at least. The best reparation would be to construct better neighbourhoods and guarantee better rights for workers. It is a much better tactic to have a both equally paid black and white communities which would not only help for a better living circumstances but it always helps in easing racial tensions.
that's is repetitions....
@@nothisispatrick5123 blm looting is done
Give the money
Outstanding !
Ils pourraient mettre la fonction "traduction" dans leurs vidéos !
tu as raison mais ça ferait beaucoup de travail!!
+éanna o'sullivan
Ca doit coûter plus cher à faire !! De toute façon, très rares sont les les vidéos avec une bonne traduction, mais un sous-titrage oui !
very little has changed in 400 years? Seriously?
audio so bad in this video, had to use me earbuds and turn to max volume just to hear moderate volume
can't hear
Lenor de Castile He's an Anarchist, read up on the Kronstadt Rebellion
your an idiot
+Miguel Urbiztondo How so
+Miguel Urbiztondo You should get that tattooed somewhere.
Miguel Urbiztondo How so
+ssssssssss Anarcho-Syndicalist which is a form of small scale Region Government without a nation so to speak over arching them. Imagine the USA being broken down into relatively independent county Governments.
I personally am not in favour of it... but still a form of anarchism.
There is nothing more sad than seeing Prof Chomsky growing older and older....... makes me feel insecure as hell.
50:45 LOL, look at that guy. What is his deal?
I can't hear him.
I would love to see a conversation between Jonathan Haidt, Eric Lukianoff, and Noam Chomsky. Chomsky has been very influential on my intellectual upbringing and I have several of his books, but I also agree with Haidt & Lukianoff in their critique of very recent developments in campus activism. The moderator's dismissal of Haidt & Lukianoff's article in his opening remarks, I think, is misplaced.
ugh don't cough on mic! Really need to level up the mics for both speaking parties, so the listener doesn't have to adjust the volume each time a question is asked.
Can anyone mic a Chomsky?
Chomsky "there are moderate rebels ive met them, they're nice people".
Great talk. I watch a lot of Noam but it’s not often i see him really spitting about black people. This was great
Thanks Noam, for your reason!
I always feel when listening to Noam that I am being brain washed into hating western liberal democracy and led into a wilderness of hopelessness and despair
Because he talks in generalities and relentlessly harps on how eeeville is the American political system
It's hard to be honest...... well done Chomsky
I have had to sit through a comprehensive eulogy of Noam every time he speaks
Yes yes we know who he is and have even read some of his books
Now can we get on with the conversation
I wish Noam would stop saying “the facts are there for anyone who wants to look”
I spend a lot of time trying to find facts but they are slippery as eels and every time I think I’ve caught one some one comes along and says that’s just another eel
It is a collapse of the centre, not enthusiasm for the left. It can swing right just as easily.
Shit gets goin' for real at 10:10.
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Michael Erickson I did. But you pulled me back in. Thanks Leif!
Justice is justice. End of discussion. Why certain people have to always put on adjectives in front of Justice to confuse people. If they will be Justice everyone will get what they deserved not what they desire. Work heart and you will succeed. Enough segregating into small groups and indoctrination.
That shot of the audience was really galvanising
The girl looked like she was half asleep
25:30
@57:26
the sound is awful.
indeed the great Noam doth mumble
+éanna o'sullivan I can hear him perfectly on other videos.
23:00
Guessture
Fir a talk that seems to be focussed on black issues the shot of the audience revealed a disproportionate number of non black people
Maybe “black” people are not so interested in “black” issues
One can not help but admire Chomsky.
There isn't "a tiny percentage of the population" that deviates from being "blond and blue eyed". There is no major city in Europe which isn't racially, nationally and culturally very mixed. In my city (170k inhabitants) we have an official foreign population of 35%. The natives are out in the countryside. The cities are either filled with poor immigrants or with rich expats, depending on the city and its suburbs. To say, we Europeans are more racist than the US is problematic too, as the casualties or incarcerations of people of colour are significantly lower, even in the prospect of a higher percentage of terms of crime per capita. Also, the social and educational systems pay a lot to close the gaps between lower classes and middle classes to an extent, that working won't bring more money than dependency on social welfare.
+pascoett I'm sorry to say your city is an exception then. There's a lot of homogeneity in Europe. Enough so that the UN recommends EU to 'undermine national homogeneity'. It's a well established fact. But I also agree that his statements about European racism isn't visible here. But that's point he made, our homogeneity hides it. Take something like the Syrian refugee crisis. That's 4.8million refugees. Just in total, not accepted or anything. Just the number of people that are expected to migrate/have migrated. Compare that to the US and Mexico estimates are 11.7million. Different size regions obviously, both economically and geographically. Also different timescale, but since 1990 they've gotten 8 million immigrants (most illegal).
The response to Syrian immigration has been largely negative, and pretty darn big. Most of the Europe (as in people, not most countries) doesn't even understand the impact of taking these people in.
We're certainly comparable in my view. We're not without flaws. Perhaps Noam is expecting a very violent response. Most of the border countries are doing rather shady stuff to get rid of the immigrants. Like Spain and Morocco. Spain is legally obligated to let refugees seek asylum into Europe. So they pay Morocco to stem the tide, rather violently.
It's not simple. You can't just look locally. On the Union level there's clear opposition. Chomsky is just saying that if exposed to immigrants we'd be more racist. And that certainly seems to be the case if you look at cities with high amounts of immigrants. Malmö being my go to example being a Swede, the election district right next to rosengård (district with a lot of immigrants) had an immense support for our anti-immigration party, that was in 2014. I dread to see what the stats look like now. It's a fairly clear trend that exposure to them breeds opposition. It's similar in the US with certain ethnicities in certain regions. Homogeneous societies do have this suppression effect. The choice of word, racist, is poor though. Xenophobic perhaps, or just nationalistic. I don't find the assertion you make based on incarcerations to be fair at all. The US doesn't have the same type of political leadership and they're very poorly represented by politicians in many cases, disapproval ratings tend to show that.
I think it's time to accept that most people have the capacity for racism and while I certainly don't want the kind of divided world the Nazi's saw I think that unless we deal with racism (grow above it) it'd be a very dangerous situation to inject "different" people into a society.
There's bigger issues though. Like what Chomsky tends to talk about.
I've lived in both the U.S. and Europe, as far as on the ground racism is concerned, Europe definitely tends to be more tribalistic in my experience.
MrSnowman You can't just call a people racist for not blindly taking in refugees. You have to acknowledge that it's more complicated because of the threat of terrorism which Noam conveniently left out of this entire discussion.
Chomsky didn't answer the question about race, identity and universalist downward redistribution
middle finger up to anyone who disagrees with this
-Obama
-Intellectual
he is a an old thundercat
good man there Jonny! come on ya boy ya!!
What the f*ck is wrong with the guy's neck at 50:12. Spooky
What drives this society is called cointelpro, but we won't discuss that. I hope you're all very proud of yourselves with the fancy degrees and fake future success.
chomsky was at fred hamptons funeral, he talks about cointelpro all the time fuck are you talking about
@@atayo490 I'm talking about the Kennedy Govt. and Harvard, not Chomsky.
44:20 good point about Europe being more racist than the United States due to its homogeneity, have either of you ever asked the same question about where your homes or works are?
"To support a government is not imperialism"
Funny how he didn't seem to have that view regarding America's role in Vietnam.
Cause Vietnam saga was a literal colonialist attempt to invade the country.
oy chomsky oy
Cornell West is a far--too underrated intellectual. Just because he prefaces his razor-sharp truth with 'brother" or "sister" does not negate his ability to guide the progressive intellectuals. Don't be fooled by the egalitarian tone of Dr. West!
When Noam speaks world listens.
Identity politics is purely pointless, religious association/affiliation, ethnicity/race/nationality, sex/gender, sexual orientation/gender identity, the most topical, others include disability, such as disease, aging, even by some descriptions/definitions, homosexuality, politics at play, such as political personality royalism and political party loyalism, less known identities, include language and accent, rural-dwellers and city-slickers, age and generations, veteran status (police-and-military).
Of course political personalities and political parties, including veteran status is all constructed, long-term irrelevant, everything will be one urbanised smart city, so rural-dwellers are being pushed-out, accents are regional "idiosyncrasies", disease and aging are curable, if the gay gene were discovered abortions would be solicited just for gay kids, culture derived from religious association/affiliation and ethnicity/race/nationality is important, not the religion and ethnicity/race/nationality itself.
Generations of people/persons who were told, taught and trained in one collar/class, may not be relevant in practice, global/international and therefore globalised/internationalised trading languages are critical, women as individual persons and gays/strays (bisexuals and transgenders) as individual persons. Symbols and personalities come-and-go, their constructed to, crosses and crescents, national flags. People/persons die, unless cryonicised/suspended-animated, who gives a smelly shit, flying fuck, pasteurised piss. Labels and parties are only useful as far as their views-and-values are applicable, besides interests-and-issues, thats politics, law, economics and how they relate to one another for ya.
The big bang, evolution, the collapse of the study/work/labor-ethic show, don't tell that both organised religion and semi-organised religion is redundant, as most secular philosophy is increasingly redundant. Its ya or na.
Diplos-and-demos (diplomacy-and-democracy), democratic discourse/dialogue, as either public passive discussion or public passionate debate, is a proven failure in secular liberal/libertarian/conservative representative democratic capitalist republics. The transmission of said views-and-values that the two most prominent "mental breaks" from catholic christian church-dominated mainland/continental europe, the renaissance and the enlightenment, pre-protestant christian reformation and post-protestant christian reformation, respectively.
Didn't happen, only with the end of world war 2, did ethnic nationalism/racial nationalism collapse as a political-legal-somewhat economic movement in mainland/continental europe. Interests-and-issues, but not built-based-and-bound to "delectable"views-and-values. The owners-and-organisers actively collude with the reigners-and-rulers and use the commanders-and-controllers (who generally come from the lower collars/classes), its the same mindset/mentality, ethos is the same, aesthetics (uniforms, role (s)-and-responsibilities) is the same.
Why tell, teach and train in practically redundant subjects? All religion, most secular philosophy (except contextualise content), music, art, poetry, photography, journalism, literature, film, sports and textiles, cut-or-amalgamate subjects and job cremate, not job create, only backwards-looking unions forestall progress, long-term could-and-should be short-term, or then-and-there could-and-should be here-and-now.
Main language, foreign trading languages, hard science (science, technology, engineering, mathematics), martial arts (self-defence), agnostic-atheist modern personal philosophy (self-worth), human mental-social-cultural-political-legal-economic history (standardised-and-globalised content-and-content, past, present and future or right-wing, centrist and left-wing, respectively.
Dna and data for diseases, aging, death and business, robotics, such as artificial intelligence (A.I), bipedal robots, respectively. Requires hard science (science, technology, engineering, mathematics (S.T.E.M)) and political-legal-economic views-and-values built-based-and-bound to objective soft science. Not subjective soft science (such as all religious philosophy and most secular philosophy).
For all those holding the view 'all lives matter' in response to the current BLM movement, go to 23:26 for Chomsky's response to this kind of critique.
Not exactly. The phrase "black lives matter" isn't something anybody denies. It's the movement itself. BLM argues that American police officers are racists who kill black people, and that couldn't be more false.
He simply observes that the notion of every human life mattering is reductionist. He does not disparage the movement in any way and, as a deeply moral person who dedicated his life to truth and caring would have taken as given that the behaviour of police was unspeakably wrong. If you're implying that he's against the movement you're wrong. Apart from writing and speaking, Chomsky is a lifelong political activist and supported BLM. Thank you.
@@aegontargaryen8934 Are you for real? The death of one black man at the hands of a racist policeman is so wrong it defies the very core of what binds modern society. Nobody suggests that this horror reflects every white policemans attitude towards blacks. Thankfully it was notable because of its rarity. BLM highlights the very real issue of racism in American society, both inside and outside the police. The deepseated contempt for that poor black, human, American man that fuelled that policemans behaviour is so horrible it defies reason. BLM certainly doesn't claim every white policeman is racist.
@@robertthomas4234 that's not what i'm implying, you've misunderstood me.
I’m not right or left. Frankly, some people are creative and many are not creative at all. I’m highly creative, but the socio political hierarchy ha snot been “dismantled” for me. And certainly not because I’m a “white male”. Creative spirit is only one aspect of being human. This is just idealism on the part of Rousseau, and abstract intellectualism from Chompsky. The cold fact is the world owes you nothing. .Post modern deconstruction is hollow through and through. You know what else suppresses the creative spirit of every human being? The natural world. The universe the only way to be valued for your creative output is work your ass off.
If you're still on this platform, a year since you posted that comment I wonder have you changed, dare I say advanced your thinking/opinion/attitude at all? The sense of entitlement you display is so lacking in awareness, both of self and the other, me the reader in this case, as to demand critique. Your position in society has been granted you, the very reason you can't or wont see it. Oh, the conceitedness, the arrogance you display! Do you not accept that to shrug off what those before you made possible - family, oppurtunity, basic education (a little knowledge - a dangerous thing, it's been said), is a privelege many can but dream of? Peace and good health to you sir.
44:30 If you voice accusations like this one it would be fair if you told your audience what your experience is/was, otherwise it's impossible to defend against our even discuss it. Anyway, I just must disagree with Prof. Chomsky here, european population isn't homogenous at all, not even relative to the US demography. I guess he knows what sources exist and where he can find them.
Every life matters!
Found the stupid right winger
he host is so racist, "that sister over there" and special thanks to the black men/womens clubs.... point 1, your the host be professional and point B why are you bringing racial identification into a talk with a Noam, why not thank him and leave it there
The interviewer is unfortunately obsessed with racism maybe for good reason but can’t we discuss anything else
He keeps on briniging the discussion back to it and inadvertently perpetuates the division
It’s all very well to say that the country was founded on two crimes, and by todays standards he is correct, but it is fascicle to judge the past by current norms of justice
When America was founded every European country was engaged in some form of colonisation and ethnic cleansing and slavery and nobody thought it was wrong
A crime is deliberate violation of current morality otherwise it is just ignorance
I wish Noam would divest himself of this inflammatory dialectic
Ironic that the first speaker mentioned income inequality when Chomsky made many millions of dollars in his teaching career.
Source?
Ah, Mister Gotcha strikes again. "We should improve society somewhat." "YET YOU PARTICIPATE IN SOCIETY. CURIOUS! I AM VERY INTELLIGENT." You're impressing no one with that garbage, kid.
Harvard is really scraping the bottom of the barrel these days.
+John Doe that's where the precious metal settle
The narrator is a bit long winded and too self referential which makes him dull and boring. He talks a lot and says little, with the exception of referring to himself.
Oh look, it’s the “vote blue no matter who” guy.
I like all this SWJ stuff. Neurotypicals don't check their Privilege
old Chomsky plays both sides free men cannot be salves. Free men consult what's in their heart, not in the labels handed to them. real human beings do not look for a way out they defend their right to be, not looking for someone to blame. Salves blame, free men do not. All the talk about what group someone belongs to is playing into the control. A Human being first, religion politics and the rest way down the list. he talks about new liberalism and their criminal action, he is one of the new liberals. and is doing the same
Nah not really. I do see what your getting at but neoliberalism is really a major split from the sanders type of progressives and democratic socialists. Neoliberalism is also very hawkish in the Middle East like neoconservative and it's very important to know your enemy. This is why it's worth knowing who to blame for what. I don't like identity politics or victim cults at all but the neoliberal policies have been at the heart of what's keeping people in poverty in the USA.
I cannot take him serious. Sorry.
he is idiot
Being Independent supersedes progressives and conservatives. So stop the lies.
Come on, social science isn't science. :D
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Noam Chomsky...the shopping cart philosopher we meet under a bridge in a large Metro area
У ак4 сё
Holy cow watching this will put you to sleep.
u r and american african
Is the west guilty for my bad breakfast?
Is the USA guilty if I am to lazy to get up?
After all that I think yes they are :)
Must be nice to study at Harvard
I used to think Europeans weren't racist. Then I started working. It's bloody depressing to have to listen to people making all kinds of racial jokes. I think they think that they're not racists... That they're just making jokes. But it doesn't speak well of them. I don't know what exactly it's like to be a Muslim or an African person in my country... But I can't imagine one feels too welcome here. I wish Muslims and Africans were better represented politically, so there'd be more people on TV calling for people to get a hold of their intolerant attitudes.
America is probably way less racist than Europe is - But you still have a lot of systemic racism that gets worsened by the economic and political decline of the US. There aren't a lot of gangs or police shootings in Denmark. But all the problems aside, America is a society where the different ethnic groups are much more interconnected. I hope Europe will be more like the US in this one regard... Minus the crime rates and the police brutality.
Emil Sørensen You can make racist jokes and not be a racist. Stop being so sensitive. Feeling like you have defend anyone who isn't a white male from having hurt feelings is just a result of your own superiority complex. I hope one day you realize that.
I also hope you don't refer to yourself as privileged around minorities while thinking that you're somehow helping anyone. Anyone who is in your country is privileged because they aren't in some corrupt 3rd world shithole with zero opportunity.
Emil Sørensen America doesn't have "a lot more systemic racism" we just have a lot more black and hispanic people than whatever European country you're from (Norway?).
What systemic racism? Where is it? I don’t see it
Marco Gijsen
Yes. That is what i am asking.
Systemic racism implies, that there is a system in place, that discriminates against people of color. What system? By law black people are treated the same as white people. There is no system to prevent a black man from succeeding in anything...
I can only speak about my experience in Korea but people here are pretty racist. There isn’t the violent past that America and Europe has but it’s still not great. Segregation and stereotypes are rampant. At least the west has laws in place to deal with racism; in Asia no one really cares.
''intellectual' lol
Boooooring.....
laughing out loud Bernie has had very little interaction with the black community, as someone who used to be the help at MIT and Harvard through a temp agency called event temps that paid slave labor wages and was homeless on the street, and has also spent nights in Lexington, the very affluent home of Noam for many years I would love to know how much he and Brandon think they are somehow anymore in touch with the working-class African-American community. hang out in Kendall Square sometime or Harvard Square where MIT and Harvard are and Boston you will not see a greater amount of hipster wealthy jealous trust fund kids juxtaposed with a more ignored homeless population, and the extremely segregated neighborhoods of Roxbury and Dorchester. yes everyone at these super liberal schools really loves black people as long as they stay in their part of town, it was really hilarious watching occupy Harvard turn down protesters from the outside and hearing the security guard say these kids parents pay a lot of money for them to come here if they want to sit in Harvard Yard to complain about the conditions of the people that they won't let in, will let them do whatever they want, after all they are the future one percenters
liberal hypnotized assholes
Used to respect Professor Chomsky on ethics, but he crashes into senility and nonsense here on the issue of reparations for slavery. How are you going to activate the taking and redistribution of wealth for crimes of the distant past, Noam? Are you considering the resentment and anger and conflict that will invoke? Maybe you should begin with the donation of your hair-piece and cardigan. Maybe you could make a brown person feel better immediately, you silly old man.
"Black intellectuals"? what an oxymoron.
C Dream poorly written joke. Unfunny.