koromaru being the worst character in reload has got to be one of the worst takes ive ever heard he's literally the best phys support which, is a busted damage type
True, the only thing holding him back, which is not an issue at all if you are well prepared, is his SP usage which is extremely high but like I said this can be easily avoided
I just find him on the lower end of really good characters, with only Mitsuru being lower. The other characters with higher SP usage are Yukari and Ken. Yukari can lower her usage by a lot with her personal skill and Ken can basically get his SP back faster than any other character. Kuromaru has the least amount of counters for his SP usage. Kuromaru's personal skill is great for the extra accuracy, but evasion isn't that reliable. The only people I can say have a worse personal skill are Mitsuru (you will barely inflict anything) and Metis (the final boss can't be knocked down). This is another small thing. The last thing I can say is his debilitate can also be on the MCs persona as well, making it not as needed to use an SP hungry character when you can capitalize on better personal skills. He is just a little lower than characters like Yukari, Ken, Critpei, and One Punch Akihikos. I still find Kuromaru useful because he has a more reliable debilitate than Mitsuru, a more reliable power charge than Fuuka, and more versatility than Shinjiro
@@fafnirable1yo critpei is good and all but Koromaru hits the same amount of crits, hits harder magic, supports like crazy, he is actually insane he deserves all the red bulls
Power Howling is pretty good and Koro-Chan has it the instant you get him. Motherfucker walked in with his Ultimate Persona already unlocked. Revolution is risky, but the crazy crit builds you can make in Reload mean you benefit from it way more than the enemies.
Yukari/Koromaru/Akihiko is the most busted comp in the entire game. Power Howling plus auto-masukunda (the only auto-debuff ability in the GAME iirc) up crit chance and is a party wide charge. Akihiko benefits from that with God's Hand and better accuracy (plus power Howling + Scarlett Havoc is absurd). Yukari's tranquility makes Akihiko's theurgies insane, and she gets to constantly heal off of Akihiko and Koromaru using physical skills. Lastly, Akihiko's buff amp gives him the highest (non-Makoto) damage output. Koromaru and Ken were dogshit in OG though because light and dark were useless.
Koromaru went absolutely nuts for me in Reload, his skill set was insane and while everyone was preaching about “critpei” Koromaru was silently criting every other round for me.
I thought it was the general consensus that Koromaru is the best party member in Reload That +15% flat crit from Revolution and that early access to Party Charge when you're like level 30ish is insane lmao, especially when you consider that Reload is extremely skewed in favor of phys Also in FES I think Mitsuru is the worst, and not because "haha funny ailment" but because her AI constantly spams Mind Charge which is 1.9x damage on the next hit, so she's doing less damage in 2 turns than everyone else, doesn't help that when she freezes an enemy, the party AI goes dumb mode and start using melee hits Also, Almighty sucks in pretty much every newsona game
To be fair to Mitsuro, you need to be constantly changing her tactics to avoid her spam Marin Karin and Mind Charge but once you get a hang of it, she's almost perfect substitute to Yukari as she almost matches her spell power and has good healing skill, she's only less useful when you REALLY need that 100% dedicated healer for certain fights and cant put Yukari in because her weakness so Ken is a far better option because of his Mediarama. So yeah Ken is just the second worst character (at least on FES) because he's mostly a "you cant use Yukari or MItsuru" on this battle and i need a healer.
STRONGLY disagree with Yosuke. Yosuke is the jack of all trades just like Akihiko in Persona 3, can fit any roll u need him to, I say the worst party member in P4 is Chie. Cuz although she has strong physical attacks and crit damage, she's usually the first one dead. Kanji can do Chie's job but better.
Chir has problems with her low defenses and her physical skills are lowering her health even more and low magic and little ice skills. Her pros definitely make her worth it; spread heat riser, Apt pupil + Revolution, and Power Charge+ God Hand/ Agneyastra. Yosuke is mediocre at everything but Wind skills. Healing skills: Diarhan and Youthful Wind. Teddie and Yukiko do it better. Buff/Debuff: Masukukaja and Dejaka. Teddie, Chie, and Naoto do it better. Physical skills: Brave blade with no power charge. Just use Kanji and/or Chie. Yosuke even gets an Almighty skill with Megido but Naoto gets better Almighty skills and Mind Charge. Yosuke doesn't have a role in the game but as a filler slot. Even with his good Wind skills + Wind Amp and Boost could be replaced by Naoto's Mind Charge+ Guradyne if you want a wind user.
@tinysuperaqua Honestly, I dunno about that, I've done some disgusting damage with Yosuke in the past, he can debuff the enemy party if they gained any kind of buffs with Dekaja and yes he has the same problem with Akihiko with having mediocre healing, but his going first due to his speed as well as buffing the party's agility does make him a good member of the party, Yukiko and Naoto are better but I always saw Yosuke as right down the middle area aside. Chie, yes, has strong physical attacks, but sometimes their not that good in terms of damage. Credit where it's due though her Galactic Punt can one shot almost anything and that's the best thing about her but everything else just fumbles. She's a glass cannon in a game that really doesn't need one and her Dragon hustle, powerful as it is, takes way too much SP to use.
You don't need a jack of all trades in a party of 4. That's literally the opposite of what you need. You need a character with a strong niche and Chie is that character, ice + strong physical + auto high critical. Probably the best party member in Persona history
Yeah I agree with you. It's kinda funny. Whenever I brought a specialized team to dungeons, I always ended up feeling "Man if only i brought Yosuke here." If I bring Yukiko, Teddie, and Naoto for a magic team, I honestly got bored of just spamming magic that wasn't effective unless I worked around things or just using megidolaon for everything. There was also the lack of physical moves feeling so I felt locked down. In other words, I felt like I needed Yosuke for one more element and some decent physical. With a physical team of Chie, Kanji, and Yosuke, things got stranger. We all know that Yosuke's physical moves are not as strong as Chie's and Kanji's, but here's the thing: mostly their physical skills are single target. Slowly picking off enemies becomes risky so despite having a physical team, they're somehow going to have to rely on Magic anyways. And guess who can actually do great aoe Maguc damage of the three? Yosuke. Chie does have anynegstra (can't spell), but it doesn't always do the job and risks her dying soon. Boss battles are also a really weird case, especially with the physical team. Kanji of course will hit the hardest like a truck with Power Charge and Primal Force. Chie's Power Charge and God's Hand will also do lots of damage. Meanwhile Yosuke doesn't have Power Charge and Brave Blade hits the weakest. But here's the thing: I also need Chie to cast Dragon Hustle and maybe even Revolution. So somehow, Yosuke eventually actually ends up out damaging her physically cuz I kinda need Chie to be the buffer all of a sudden. I know this is circumstantial evidence but still. If Yukiko's in the party, then you know what her goal is: Heal, Mind Charge, Burning Petals. With Yosuke's Youthful Wind, I legit can have Yukiko focus on damage. Also Youthful Wind kinda makes battles kinda cheesy with all the dodging of damage. This may just be super bias but idk. In conclusion, Yosuke's kinda the backbone to my teams. I kinda always end up needing him on the team. I really didn't use Teddie like a buffer like I should have but idk Chie and Teddie felt outpaced cuz of circumstances.
@ he’s got everything and his party wide charge thuregy is so good I would say the only member that might be slightly better is akikhiko just in raw damage
I definitely agree that Yosuke has struggles to find a niche in persona 4, I never ended up using on my final teams. Although I think his only true niche is him being good support for the ng+ superboss. I had chie for dragon hustle and yukiko for severe fire damage and so yosuke can be super handy with youthful wind or extra physical or wind damage
12:00 Why would you ever replace your starter in Pokémon? They're consistently some of the best Pokémon you can get and at the start of the game no less; no way am I ever replacing that.
Hear me out people Morgana is the most underrated party member in modern Persona, especially in Royal. With the possible exception of DIarama, Morgana gets every healing move before Makoto Niijima. Importantly, he gets Mediarama during the pyramid arc, which is buffed by his heal-boosting personal trait so you don't need Ren or Ann on secondary healing. His Wind resistance and Me Patra are key in the Wakaba sphinx fight. During the Okumura arc, he is still on top because two waves of Okumura's robots are weak to wind, especially if he's level 43 and has Wind Boost. Mona-chan keeps winning when he gets Samarecarm during Sae's arc and Mediarahan in time for the Shido fight. He finally gets overshadowed by Makoto Niijima after she gets Mediarahan at 65 AND Futaba starts swapping out dead party members when you max her confidant. In P3, FES, and Portable Koromaru is indeed the worst, but in Reload he's second only to Metis (1st place in The Journey). Yukari is the worst in Reload. In P4 and Golden you're right though. I can't defend Yosuke and his dumpster tier skillset. Naoto is the second worst and Teddie is king.
I think Yukari is one of the best party members in Persona 3 Reload, mainly because by spending time with her at the dorm, she gains the hability to make heal skills cost decrease to 25% their original SP cost. Also, her second theurgy is broken, because it doubles damage of the next magical skill, for all party members, including magical theurgies. So, imagine a boss fight with that theurgy, the defense of the boss lowered, Akihiko with elec boost and elec amp, and then he does his second theurgy... it's almost as if he had done four theurgies in one single turn. And if by some miraculously way the boss manages to survive that, you still have other members' theurgies, also with doubled damage. With Yukari you can destroy the bosses in two turns.
@@eduardonoegarciaquiroz6439 Reload is the most Strength-dominant game in modern SMT history, so Magic characters like Yukari are below average. Koromaru's Power Howling theurgy will Charge up Junpei, Akihiko, and Metis, who deal more damage than the Magic-based Mitsuru who doesn't even get Ice Amp. Also, her personal trait isn't as good as Ken's, who has all the healing Yukari does; his SP regeneration gives him virtually infinite SP and having less than half will charge his utterly busted Divine Intervention theurgy. Even after saying all that though, Reload Yukari is much better than the worst party members of other games.
im gonna gonna disagree with the P3R Koro take. Dude comes innately with Revolution and Power Howling which in the context of P3R is genuinely insane as Phys Skills are extremely overtuned and theres no Crit Rate Cap like in P5R (the fact Skills like Arrow Rain and Torrent Shot on avg do more than Heavy Mag are a good example of this).Koro also gets Getsu-ei 4 levels after joining which is amazing for 2 reasons. First off Getsu-ei is only 8% weaker than Brave Blade with similar Crit which means Koro is genuinely doing competent damage (more than any Magic character for while at least) even with a lackluster Str stat. The 2nd reason is that Critical Hits do count for Koros Theurgy and allow him to apply Power Howling at good pace. Masukukaja is kinda whatever. Its most interesting use is how it interacts with Multihit Skills as it actually increases the chance of landing the max hits (meaning Akasha Arts now on avg outdoes Gods Hand and Myriad Arrows now outdoes Primal Force). Koro also happens to be deceptively Bulky as not only does he have amazing Evasion off the bat, not only does he come with 2 immunities but for some reason he also has the 2nd highest Hp. No joke only Aragaki has more Hp so Koros constant Getsu-eis are pretty safe to spam. Keep in mind the best damage dealers throughout the whole game are all Phys Characters like Junpei and Aki. The only problem is the extremely rare Phys immune enemy that could taken out by Theurgy (iirc think there are like 6 total and 2 of them are Golden Hands that are immune to everything but Theurgy and Almighty). My personal pick for the worst in 3R would be Yukari because shes so boxed in as a healer she doesn’t do anything else. However Healing can be covered by Items or done better by Ken. She does the worst damage throughout the game, has little utility and has no defense. Shes outdone by Kens Divine Intervention by itself and Ken has the fastest Theurgy in the game so this is something Ken can actually sort of spam. I also disagree with Yosuke and think Noatos the worst but after all that yapping I’m too lazy to type it.
@@hidekihbr Yukaris healing can be very easily covered by the abundant Items. Yuka requires iirc 4 turns of healing before she reaches full Theurgy and chances are you wont be healing every single turn so shes really not that fast at charging it. Kens Theurgy is basically a 0Sp Mediarahan that applies Phys/Magic Walls and it charges passively so Ken can tend to other things while filling meter. Ken can at least say that no item does what he does.
@@helpihavebats6392 A shame people just assume yukari is good because she has 8 sp max heals. Reload is an easy ass game so all party members are valid but some people will not admit that yukari is just lackluster compared to everyone else (including mitsuru)
I just cycle every party member to keep them at even levels in case I need them to fulfill an elemental niche. Hell, Morgana was one of my best P5 party members just because he was an absolute healing monster.
Naoto cannot take a hit during boss fights on normal and when I brought her along to fight the reaper at level 80 with Chie and Yukiko she was dead for the entire fight due to this. But the moment I brought Yosuke he actually didn't go down once so I think Yosuke is better than Naoto
Morgana's pretty good if you can use him correctly but it's just too much work for most people, which makes sense. Yusuke has only one good skill and it just buffs a stat that isn't even important
Why is no one talking about Naoto? I’ve used her in all three playthroughs i’ve done and she’s a fairly mediocre character. The main focus on her is instant kill skills which is a niche pretty easily filled by Yu. Her 3rd awakening skill costs insane amounts of sp to the point it’s barely usable and she only learns single target skills on element attacks. Only main appeal I can think of is heat riser.
Naoto's worse at bosses not to mention the amount of misinformed people claim that "Chie is frail" and fail to look at Naoto's even lower endurance on top of having the second lowest max HP in the game. She is way more frail and hits like a wet noodle, often better for blowing past dungeon floors, clearing regular enemies. You don't need Shields of Justice as well since you've got so many safety nets.
That's your personal taste man and you don't wanna force it. Many people, including me, like the persona mascots, and I think they're an important part of the series.
I dont get why people think Morgana is the worst party member in p5, he has by far the best healing outside of I guess the protag, with some great crit and status support
Healing just isn’t a important niche in 5 where items are very abundant and enemies are so not threatening. I did a no Healing Skill test run of Kamos Palace on Hard mode and literally half the dungeon can be done with just base Guns alone and the like 2 dungeon bosses can only two hit one party member at a time so a couple of items healed off the damage.
Youske is the best party member in p4 he has a bit of everything! Solid physical skills, strong wind skills, healing skills, he even learns megido in the bathhouse he is amazing.
I don't really agree with Koromaru's and Morgana's title as the worst party member in their respective game, but I can see where you're coming from. You were pretty convincing, but I still think Junpei (FES/Portable) is still the worst party member in P3 and Yusuke in P5. Great video though, you ALMOST made me change my mind 👍
10:10 It doesn't help that Makoto also has an All Stats +14 Gun that you can get, which makes her better than most of the cast stat wise, Atomic Flare which hits at the level of Ann, A Crit Bonus Basic Attack for Baton Pass, Healing that with that Gun, is enough to nearly fill everyones Hp. She's stupid good, I wish I liked her as a character more.
I almost always had Morgana in my party. I mean he’s low damage but having a healer without eating up the protagonists SP is really useful. I’d say Haru or Ann were my least used. Most enemies at endgame block fire and Joker can easily use a Psy skill if needed.
Persona 4 is wrong about Yosuke because Chie suffers from the Black Spot phase for 29 levels. Kanji makes her irrelevant. Both Kanji and Teddie can do her job better than she can. Meanwhile Yosuke has better wind than Naoto and will outdamage her in both physical and magic. I have been killing Golden Hands with Almighty with Yosuke and the MC. Naoto isn't really needed for that. If you pair up Yosuke with Kanji and Teddie, they can Heat Riser the whole party. Rise will always give you the charge buff if the Attack, Defense and Evasion buffs is already on your characters. I can't do that with Yukiko because she has no buffs. I once beaten Margaret on very hard at level 67. The team was Yosuke, Kanji and Teddie. There's no way Yosuke is the worst if I can beat Margaret at that level.
i used yosuke up until i got naoto, and the only reason was because i didnt fuse any personas that used garu skills, so i was only using him for elemental diversity
Koromaru actually has use in certain parts.....like most p3 characters and no I don't include reload cause they took away the difficulty and necessity to use other characters and how they were important for certain parts.
@@fafnirable1 that is just not true. Kanji gets Stronger Phys Skills and has a higher Str stat. Primal Force 1100 power 25% Crit Gods Hand 800 power 15% Crit With an AptPupil Accessory he has both an stronger and higher Crit move.
@helpihavebats6392 Chie gets Rebellion through SL and has innate Power Charge, plus Hama if you go through Bike Skills. Dragon Hustle is also a broken support move while the Man's Way just knocks down. Kanji might get Power Charge through SL, but he's lacking rebellion early on. Give Chie an Apt Pupil accessory and have her use Rebellion and Power Charge. Support Chie is also better than Support Kanji. Why use Matarukaja when you can use Dragon Hustle? Why use Mediarama when Yosuke can do the same with added Masukukaja and Yukiko just throws out Salvation
@ Rebellion isn’t super notable? Im gonna assume you mean Revolution which is fine enough Support Skill but genuinely nothing super. As for Dragon Hustle she literally doesn’t have to Sp to use it more than once in a fight and requires a Spell Master Equip to use more (literally 2 Max Sp off of being able to cast twice at lv99). Even then by the time you get it barely any fights should be lasting longer than the Mcs aoe Auto-Buffs. At least Kanjis can use Matarukaja for a decent number of longer bossfights where Dragon Hustle can’t be said to do that. Neither Characters are particularly good Support so I leave that Support role to Teddie who has Marakunda and Matarukaja which is generally all you need towards the late game. Healing is also not something thats super necessary to have a dedicated Character spot for since Healing Items are not hard to get and they do the job. Chie already has innate Apt Pupil and the same Skill cant stack so her Gods Hand is 30% Crit which is only 5% higher than Kanjis Primal Force without any Crit Increase. Kanji with an Apt Pupil Accessory hits 50% Crit.
kanji is garbage, he only gets good when you finally max him out and he gets primal force, chie is the better choice, wtf do you mean "no use whatsoever"??? she's literally a better version of kanji
11:58 what are you on about??????????? The starter pokemon are some of the strongest pokemon in their games, especially in recent years with their busted ass signature moves.
1. I DO agree with Koromaru being the absolute worst in the PS2 versions of Persona3 + Portable . HOWEVER ! for Reload this couldnt be far from the truth don't konw if you know this or not but ... during a Full Moon Koromarus Getsu-ei has a 551 base power, more than double that of heavy Dyne spells , and almost the same power as Brave Blade ( a sever skill ) and he gets that skill the mokent he joins your team ( and dont forget that every major boss battle takes place during a full moon in this game ). He also starts out with Power Howling making him essential for any DPS team since Junpei and Akihiko ( the two heighest damage dealing party memebrs in the game ) both use phys skills. He also starts out with Auto Masukunda as a trait, while also getting Masukukaja, meaning that multi hit skills which are some of the heighest damage dealing skills in the mis to late game ( Arrow rain, Myriad arrows, Torrent Shots , Blade of fury and Akasha arts ) all hit the maximum number of times . He also gets Revolution which makes him excelllent suppirt for Junepi whos trait makes him the heighest damage dealing party memebr ( yes even more than the pritagonist themslves ) whenever he crits. At the gery end of the game he also learns Debilitate Basically Koromaru is the best support character in this game, and he gets almost all of these abilities as soon as he joins you, not to mention being the strongest damage dealing party member for quite a long while thanks to Getsu-ei. Calling him the " worst " is honestly such a bad take. 2. While I do agree with Yosuke being a horrible party member (I'd honestly rank him as the second worst), I feel like he's still MILES better than Naoto, who's by far the most horrible party member in Persona 4. > she has almost a complete lack of any worthwhile support, Tetrakarn and Makarakarn are a wasted skill slot because you can easily farm an infinite amount of the Karn vegetables where every party member can cast on themselves ( instead of relying on Naoto casting them one by one every turn ), and Heat Riser is genuinely worthless since it only affects one party member meaning that it takes you 4 turns to actually bppst your entire party, however since kaja spells only last 3 turns this means that there will ALWAYS be one party member not boosted at all times, this is made worse by the fact that you can easily get a " heat riser " effect on the entire party way easier by simply using Kanji + Teddie + Yosuke or just using Chies " Dragon Hustle " . Basically all the support she can provide can be done infinitely better by items/other party members. > for damage she's stuck dead last when it comes to raw damage, because of the fact that almighty is by far the worst damage type in Persona due to lacking any sort of boost/amp passives for comparison sakes: Kanjis charged Primal force: √(1.100)×1,25=41,45 Chies charged God Hand: √(800)×1,25= 35,35 Yukikos double boosted charged BurningPetals: (√(190))×1,25×1,5×1,25=32,30 Yosukes Brave Blade: √(700)=26,45 Teddies double boosted Bufudyne:(√(160))×1,25×1,5= 23,71 Naotos charged Megidolaon: (√(210))×1,25=18,11 So Naotos Megidolaon even with Mind Charge s by far the weakest attack in the party, she can potentially outdamage Teddie if you give her the Frost Shot gun + 50% ice vow + Bufudyne from bike skills, however this set up is mostly locked to end game because Naotos earliest Bike Ride is November 13th meaning that you miss out on the " Heaven " dungeon, and the 50% ice accessory is locked inside Yomotsu Hirasaka. So even if you go way out of you way to give her this set up this will only be possible at the very end of the game and even then she's still the second worst damage dealing party member after Teddie ( whos still a significantly superior party member due to having access to actual good support skills in Marakukaja + Matarukaja + Marakunda and also access to healing skills ) >for "mob clearing" , a job that people for whatever reason INSIST that Naoto is great at (spoiler alert: she isn't), she's stuck with single target Hamaon and Mudoon spells for almost the entire game as she doesnt get Mahamaon and Mamudoon until level 69 and 71 respectively, meaning that you won't be using these skills until Yomotsu Hirasaka + the protagonist can get not only Mahamaon and Mamudoon SIGNIFICANTLY earlier, but you can also get SAMSARA (a straight UPGRADE to Mahamaon) earlier than Naoto gets her AOE instakills, she gets all 4 elements for "coverage " however literally just having 3 party members already covers 3 elements as is since every party member specializes in a specific element, so even for " Mob Clearing" she's still atrocious. Literally the only thing Naoto has going for her is the fact that she has the best resistances in the party ( 2 repels + 1 drain + no weaknesses ) but thats literally about it
You're wrong about Brave Blade and Burning Petals. Brave Blade is slightly stronger. There's even a video that shows it. And Teddie will always beat Naoto's ice when Rise gives everyone's charge. Because Teddie's accessory slot is opened for God's Love.
why is yosuke even on here... bro literally has everything 😭 Good HP, Good SP, Evasion Support, Healing, And has good Physical AND Magic you could argue he might be one of the BEST party members throughout all games honestly never rate again fn💔
Yosuke is jack of all trades but master of nothing. There’s nothing he’s good at that can’t be fulfilled by the other party members. Need healing Yukiko is the best at both healing and magic because all he gets is single target healing until his ultimate skill which isn’t even a full heal it’s just a cadenza. If you need physical Chie and Kanji are there for that because they both are going to be able to hit harder than Yosuke ever will. Sukakaja isn’t as important as attack or defense up. A different jack of all trades exist with Teddie and teddie does it better with better healing with party wide healing, having Matarukaja with Marakunda the best buff and debuff skills with better magic. You need to do Yosuke social link and bike events in order to even get better healing because Diarama and Diarahan are locked behind that. There’s nothing he brings to the party beside being an early party member
@ericgropuis nah yosuke gets mediarama, and with the blessed hands item it's damn near a full HP heal... and chie does NOT hit harder then yosuke last time I checked😭 maybe with a charge (i THINK she has that? I forget I'd have to check again) but without that I think she's actually a decent bit weaker then yosuke, in terms of both her physical stat and the fact that she gets a Heavy-Dmg dealing physical skill WAY later then both kanji AND yosuke for some reason... and even when she does (rainy death) I remember rainy death not hitting for alot either💔 she doesn't really pick up this slack until she gets gods hand which is like... super omega late game
@@Sinsukihealing really isn’t super notable with Hp healing items not being rare. Isn’t Yosuke stuck with a Medium Phys Skill for half the game (35 Levels) until Brave Blade while Chie gets Black Spot shortly after which is stronger with higher base Crit + Apt Pupil.
@helpihavebats6392 I think so? I can't remember completely rn but I do also know that chie is stuck with black spot for a decent bit while both yosuke and kanji upgrade to heavier hitting physical skills
@@Sinsuki Mediarama at late game is nothing to write home about when before late game you have mediaramas and full healing way earlier. Chie does hit harder than Yosuke with better physical skills and having charge. Before P4G Yosuke only had Sonic Punch a light physical skill until he got Brave Blade late game now he gets a medium skill until late game brave blade and that’s all just single target moves, Chie gets multi target attacks and has Apt Pupil letting her get a lot of crits. She has Auto-Tarukaja, ramapge, gale slash, and Revolution which she can rely on to get good physical damage until she gets those heavy hitting skills. Yosuke doesn’t even get those better healing skills unless you do his social link and bike events Kanji even gets a Mediarama through bike events, Teddie joins the party with it and Yukiko gets it at level 43 while you have to wait until the end of the game to have him awaken to his 3rd Persona to have a Mediarama. What’s the point of even putting that investment into him when the moment you get Kanji you can bench Yosuke and lose nothing Because Yosuke is trying to do so much with wanting to heal, deal magic damage, cast status effects while also trying to deal physical damage he can’t excel at any of them because Chie and Kanji focus on dealing physical damage. Naoto focuses on dealing magic damage of all types even almighty. Teddie focuses on multi things do but it’s better things to focus on with healing, buffing and debuffing while dealing ice damage. Yukiko focuses on healing and dealing massive fire damage. All of them have a clear focus while Yosuke doesn’t so he won’t be better at any of your other party members at doing the things they do.
Gotta hard disagree with Brown. Nobody forces you to use him and his gun is pretty solid, plus Scorching Tablets exist so chariot personas really don't have megido skills going for them. I hate to say it because he's my favorite party member of the p1 cast but I'll have to say the worst is Mark. His gun is bad, his melee doesn't make up for the shortcomings of his gun, and like I said megido skills aren't exactly unique to Chariot personas, plus they have terrible Agility which is probably one of the most vital stats in the game. And the worst part? He's mandatory in Sebec. But then again I've only really played through the Sebec route once so I'm not sure how qualified I am to give my opinion, and besides Mark ended up being my one of my party members alongside the mc because I fused a really high agility persona and gave it Megidolaon. Honestly it's really hard to say anybody's truly bad in p1 because it's so easy to give everyone megido or ma-dyne skills and good agility.
Brown isn't the worst Persona 1 party member. Far from it. Having the same guns as MC still makes him very useful. Wish I could say the same about Ayase and the joke known as her weapon selection. Using the argument about Persona access is moot given you barely need to update Personas in 1, and have I mentioned guns are the strongest attack type in 1? Not helped by guns scaling to stats that boost defense and evasion, which were also very strong in 1. Yeah he's no Elly or Reiji, but Brown is still useable. Also Ayase is right there. Agreed on Koromaru, in PS2/PSP. Koromaru getting Debilitate in Reload and Akihiko losing his debuffs shot Koromaru way up. Koromaru has a solid niche in PQ as well due to high speed Teardrops. Yosuke, more like cringe, amrita? Disagree on Morgana. You might as well say Yukari is bad.
Yosuke's kit is all over the place Then what about teddie i didn't use him once i got him because of this But mona is agreed the ryuji and makoto combo carried my till the end of the game
Koromaru the worse in 3 RELOAD?! Ah hell no In the OG? Sure I could see why over Ken. Dark only had instakill skills, while koro was fast he was just eh, and not worth it. IN RELOAD?! BUSTED SKILLS RIGHT OFF THE BAT. If you need something dead then Koro had something. Crits to the team with Revolution, Gestu and Zanstu slash for full moon damage, nulls both fire and dark (two skills that most mid and late game enemies have) if koro can’t do something then the enemy probably nulls slash, fire, dark, and spams lights skills. Which in my play through is only 2 times in the game. 2 times where he aint the best choice. But if the enemy nulls all of the listed then Junpei, Mitsu, and at sometimes the protag can’t do it as well. In 3 the worse is literally Mitsuru in basically every version. She sucks in the OG because she’s frail, will miss Marin Karan on enemies, and most enemies late game don’t really have an ice weakness. And even if they do, just craft the ice gloves for Akihiko and he’ll do more than her with a regular physical attack. She doesn’t get any better within Reload with the only good thing she gets is her debuff therogry, which in itself SUCKS BECAUSE ITS AN ALLMIGHTY SKILL ON A SPECIAL MOVE WHERE THEY ALREADY GO THROUGH ALL SKILLS
Yosuke being the worst in persona 4?☠️ What, did you play the game on easy and he didn't do as much damage as Chie or what? Yosuke's best in-slot weapon is the kitchen knives +10 strenght Yosuke has acces to Brave blade, Garudyne/Magarudyne(with wind boost and wind amp) DEKAJA (WICH IS LITERALLY A LIFE SAVER WHEN PLAYING ON HARD MODE) megido mid-game for rare enemies (if you even bother doing the scouter events) Masukukaja wich again is a broken skill, especially when farming rare enemies The worst party member in the game is Kanji, his lack of Aoe skills and his low MP pool really makes his worthless for everything besides boss fights "Naoto is using garudyne better than yosuke" no...she doesn't, she's the second worst character in the game (again, did you play the game on easy?)
Why the hell do people rate koromaru so low? He was amazing for me in reload! I didn’t need anyone else with me when I got yukari, akihiko, and koromaru! I would think Mitsuru or aigis would be the worst members with how little damage they do in comparison?
It depends what you’re looking for. I found mitsuru to be pretty decent considering her whole thing is debuffs. The final ice move on her is pretty good too.
@ her raw power isn’t as strong as other characters, she me bay able to debuff but so can koromaru, Akihiko, and yukari. Debuffing isn’t unique to her and her magic can’t help with that. I like her personality but not as teammate.
For the games I played (3 - 5) I would say ken is worst in p3 from what I can tell but I also don't know much about p3 meta tbh but I used him in my party for a but and just didn't see worth in using him over my current party Mc, akehiko, yukari and aigis. In p4 i agree it's yosuke but mostly out of technicality I don't think he's that bad I used him in all my playthroughs because he's my fav character I like having a character thst can adapt to any situation but it's true that him not doing anything the best also hurts him. In p5 I honestly think there is a case for yosuke being the worst he brings nothing to the table that ryuji and later on yoshizawa can't do Morgana is at least nice to have for early game healing especially in the boss fights where you want joker to help out as much as possible but I agree that he's worthless once makoto joins still I think it more than yosuke will shine and this is from someone who always uses yusuke BTW because he's my fav male party member but every time I use him I feel like i' handy capping myself by jot just using ryuji instead
@@r.c.3813 idk about Yoshi > Yusuke as in exchange for very slightly higher Crit over Yusuke she trades off a fair amount of damage. Swords Dance is sqrt360 Power 40% Crit though with her innate Apt Pupil its 60% (thats the Crit Cap). Brave Blade is sqrt600 Power 35% Crit. The thing is Yusuke can be given an Apt Pupil Accessory (obtained around Harus Join) and have the same if not slightly lower Crit to Yoshi while doing more damage.
In Fes/Portable Ken is better than Koromaru. Being weak to Mudo sucks and Hama isn't helpful for bosses but his other traits are good. He is the best party member with pierce skills since he got Spear Master and Vile Assault. Akihiko doesn't get strike skills to take advantage of his Fist Master. Ken is the only other person to get spread healing skills. Ken sadly does not get Elec Boost or Amp like Akihiko but he is still alright. The main reasons why Akihiko outclassed Ken is because Ken being weak to instant kill Mudo skills isn't good, Ken is available later than Akihiko, and the fact that Akihiko has every debuff skill in the game. Bear in mind Debilitate wasn't in the game so that trait alone made Akihiko a mandatory party member ( This is also why Aigis is so good, she has every buff skill in a game where Heat riser is locked behind fusion spells). Pairing Akihiko and Ken during the Margaret fight and the answer is good since electric is very reliable. Akihiko can Debuff enemies while Ken heals your team.
yosuke is second best party member, idk what kind of drugs you guys are on, just the fact that he has brave blade and dekaja makes him valuable, he also gets masukukaja wich is a game changer on very hard difficulty
Poor Koromaru... Recently I beat P3P and honestly I think he isn't the worst in all, I always used him in my party with Ken and Aigis. For me, the worst is Yukari (yeah, it hurts for me). (idk if in Reload they changed Koromaru or keep the same stuff)
My worst for every game is Mitsuru is Reload (everything just goes against her), Kanji in P4G (Chie eclipses him), and Ann in P5R (tried to copy Yukiko but with her versatility). None of these characters are bad, it's just every other character has more versatility
@stevenflores7405 all Opinions are subjective, I found Chie to be the weakest link in my Playthrough, same for Queen and Shinjiro You have your opinion I have mine
@@Joker3180Z your opinions are absolute garbage. shinjiro is the strongest party member, chie is a way better version of kanji, kanji's only use is when you finally get his final skill, until then he's the worst version of chie, as for queen, she gets Dekunda, mediarahan, energy shower, marakukaja and you call her the worst while yusuke exists?, yusuke only gets single target skills and gets outshined by Ryuji, the facts that you can't even understand who the worst characters are is telling me you played all the games on easy/normal (wich is still baby mode)
@@emphathicc4832 Yukiko? She does mid damage for most of the game due to a combination Yukiko learning Boosters slow and Magic in general being weak, her Healing can be done by common items for the most part. Id say Teddie just because of he can spam Matarukaja and Marakunda.
@@davidebuiese8035 Ken/Yukari (shields/broken theurgy/heals/heat riser or heals with low SP cost/amrita shower/AoE Concentrate) Naoto (2 elements, Megidolaon, and Heat Riser) Haru (both shields, heat riser, lowers the chance for status moves on party, and amrita shower)
The worst party members are Ken in P3, Teddie in P4 and Morgana in P5. Are they actually the worst in combat? No, maybe not, they're just my least favorite as characters.
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koromaru being the worst character in reload has got to be one of the worst takes ive ever heard he's literally the best phys support which, is a busted damage type
True, the only thing holding him back, which is not an issue at all if you are well prepared, is his SP usage which is extremely high but like I said this can be easily avoided
I just find him on the lower end of really good characters, with only Mitsuru being lower. The other characters with higher SP usage are Yukari and Ken. Yukari can lower her usage by a lot with her personal skill and Ken can basically get his SP back faster than any other character. Kuromaru has the least amount of counters for his SP usage. Kuromaru's personal skill is great for the extra accuracy, but evasion isn't that reliable. The only people I can say have a worse personal skill are Mitsuru (you will barely inflict anything) and Metis (the final boss can't be knocked down). This is another small thing. The last thing I can say is his debilitate can also be on the MCs persona as well, making it not as needed to use an SP hungry character when you can capitalize on better personal skills. He is just a little lower than characters like Yukari, Ken, Critpei, and One Punch Akihikos. I still find Kuromaru useful because he has a more reliable debilitate than Mitsuru, a more reliable power charge than Fuuka, and more versatility than Shinjiro
@@fafnirable1yo critpei is good and all but Koromaru hits the same amount of crits, hits harder magic, supports like crazy, he is actually insane he deserves all the red bulls
Power Howling is pretty good and Koro-Chan has it the instant you get him. Motherfucker walked in with his Ultimate Persona already unlocked. Revolution is risky, but the crazy crit builds you can make in Reload mean you benefit from it way more than the enemies.
Yukari/Koromaru/Akihiko is the most busted comp in the entire game. Power Howling plus auto-masukunda (the only auto-debuff ability in the GAME iirc) up crit chance and is a party wide charge. Akihiko benefits from that with God's Hand and better accuracy (plus power Howling + Scarlett Havoc is absurd). Yukari's tranquility makes Akihiko's theurgies insane, and she gets to constantly heal off of Akihiko and Koromaru using physical skills. Lastly, Akihiko's buff amp gives him the highest (non-Makoto) damage output.
Koromaru and Ken were dogshit in OG though because light and dark were useless.
Koromaru went absolutely nuts for me in Reload, his skill set was insane and while everyone was preaching about “critpei” Koromaru was silently criting every other round for me.
Kuromaru was criting like crazy for me too, but I can't deny the crit stacking that they gave Junpei
Get the auto tarukaja + rebellion dog suit and the bone and you’re critimg every single time
I thought it was the general consensus that Koromaru is the best party member in Reload
That +15% flat crit from Revolution and that early access to Party Charge when you're like level 30ish is insane lmao, especially when you consider that Reload is extremely skewed in favor of phys
Also in FES I think Mitsuru is the worst, and not because "haha funny ailment" but because her AI constantly spams Mind Charge which is 1.9x damage on the next hit, so she's doing less damage in 2 turns than everyone else, doesn't help that when she freezes an enemy, the party AI goes dumb mode and start using melee hits
Also, Almighty sucks in pretty much every newsona game
To be fair to Mitsuro, you need to be constantly changing her tactics to avoid her spam Marin Karin and Mind Charge but once you get a hang of it, she's almost perfect substitute to Yukari as she almost matches her spell power and has good healing skill, she's only less useful when you REALLY need that 100% dedicated healer for certain fights and cant put Yukari in because her weakness so Ken is a far better option because of his Mediarama.
So yeah Ken is just the second worst character (at least on FES) because he's mostly a "you cant use Yukari or MItsuru" on this battle and i need a healer.
Yeah, Koromaru is good in dungeon crawling with the variety of skills he has and in Full Moon Operation because of Getsu-ei
Don't Diss my boy Yosuke
Same here and so is Konomaru cause Koro is good boy
Can we all agree that junpei in persona 3 reload is absolutely busted like he destroys everything
My junpei was clapping nyx’s cheeks🙏😭
Critpei go brrr
critpei + koromaru
5:02 "masukujaka" im actually dying, help
STRONGLY disagree with Yosuke. Yosuke is the jack of all trades just like Akihiko in Persona 3, can fit any roll u need him to, I say the worst party member in P4 is Chie. Cuz although she has strong physical attacks and crit damage, she's usually the first one dead. Kanji can do Chie's job but better.
Chir has problems with her low defenses and her physical skills are lowering her health even more and low magic and little ice skills. Her pros definitely make her worth it; spread heat riser, Apt pupil + Revolution, and Power Charge+ God Hand/ Agneyastra.
Yosuke is mediocre at everything but Wind skills.
Healing skills: Diarhan and Youthful Wind. Teddie and Yukiko do it better.
Buff/Debuff: Masukukaja and Dejaka. Teddie, Chie, and Naoto do it better.
Physical skills: Brave blade with no power charge. Just use Kanji and/or Chie.
Yosuke even gets an Almighty skill with Megido but Naoto gets better Almighty skills and Mind Charge.
Yosuke doesn't have a role in the game but as a filler slot. Even with his good Wind skills + Wind Amp and Boost could be replaced by Naoto's Mind Charge+ Guradyne if you want a wind user.
@tinysuperaqua Honestly, I dunno about that, I've done some disgusting damage with Yosuke in the past, he can debuff the enemy party if they gained any kind of buffs with Dekaja and yes he has the same problem with Akihiko with having mediocre healing, but his going first due to his speed as well as buffing the party's agility does make him a good member of the party, Yukiko and Naoto are better but I always saw Yosuke as right down the middle area aside. Chie, yes, has strong physical attacks, but sometimes their not that good in terms of damage. Credit where it's due though her Galactic Punt can one shot almost anything and that's the best thing about her but everything else just fumbles. She's a glass cannon in a game that really doesn't need one and her Dragon hustle, powerful as it is, takes way too much SP to use.
You don't need a jack of all trades in a party of 4. That's literally the opposite of what you need. You need a character with a strong niche and Chie is that character, ice + strong physical + auto high critical. Probably the best party member in Persona history
Yeah I agree with you. It's kinda funny. Whenever I brought a specialized team to dungeons, I always ended up feeling "Man if only i brought Yosuke here." If I bring Yukiko, Teddie, and Naoto for a magic team, I honestly got bored of just spamming magic that wasn't effective unless I worked around things or just using megidolaon for everything. There was also the lack of physical moves feeling so I felt locked down. In other words, I felt like I needed Yosuke for one more element and some decent physical. With a physical team of Chie, Kanji, and Yosuke, things got stranger. We all know that Yosuke's physical moves are not as strong as Chie's and Kanji's, but here's the thing: mostly their physical skills are single target. Slowly picking off enemies becomes risky so despite having a physical team, they're somehow going to have to rely on Magic anyways. And guess who can actually do great aoe Maguc damage of the three? Yosuke. Chie does have anynegstra (can't spell), but it doesn't always do the job and risks her dying soon.
Boss battles are also a really weird case, especially with the physical team. Kanji of course will hit the hardest like a truck with Power Charge and Primal Force. Chie's Power Charge and God's Hand will also do lots of damage. Meanwhile Yosuke doesn't have Power Charge and Brave Blade hits the weakest. But here's the thing: I also need Chie to cast Dragon Hustle and maybe even Revolution. So somehow, Yosuke eventually actually ends up out damaging her physically cuz I kinda need Chie to be the buffer all of a sudden. I know this is circumstantial evidence but still.
If Yukiko's in the party, then you know what her goal is: Heal, Mind Charge, Burning Petals. With Yosuke's Youthful Wind, I legit can have Yukiko focus on damage. Also Youthful Wind kinda makes battles kinda cheesy with all the dodging of damage.
This may just be super bias but idk. In conclusion, Yosuke's kinda the backbone to my teams. I kinda always end up needing him on the team.
I really didn't use Teddie like a buffer like I should have but idk Chie and Teddie felt outpaced cuz of circumstances.
All the girls in P4 are amazing to me the worst is Teddie
you replacing your starter in pokemon tells me everything i need to know
Great video about Persona but that take about “How your starter Pokémon is bound to get replaced” at 11:57 is certainly one I’ve never heard before
...people unironically box their starter?
I saw koromaru on the thunbnail and detected cap
Koromaru in persona reload is the best party member wtf do you mean
Agreed! Especially with Getsu-ei
@ he’s got everything and his party wide charge thuregy is so good I would say the only member that might be slightly better is akikhiko just in raw damage
I definitely agree that Yosuke has struggles to find a niche in persona 4, I never ended up using on my final teams. Although I think his only true niche is him being good support for the ng+ superboss. I had chie for dragon hustle and yukiko for severe fire damage and so yosuke can be super handy with youthful wind or extra physical or wind damage
12:00 Why would you ever replace your starter in Pokémon? They're consistently some of the best Pokémon you can get and at the start of the game no less; no way am I ever replacing that.
Hear me out people Morgana is the most underrated party member in modern Persona, especially in Royal.
With the possible exception of DIarama, Morgana gets every healing move before Makoto Niijima. Importantly, he gets Mediarama during the pyramid arc, which is buffed by his heal-boosting personal trait so you don't need Ren or Ann on secondary healing. His Wind resistance and Me Patra are key in the Wakaba sphinx fight. During the Okumura arc, he is still on top because two waves of Okumura's robots are weak to wind, especially if he's level 43 and has Wind Boost. Mona-chan keeps winning when he gets Samarecarm during Sae's arc and Mediarahan in time for the Shido fight. He finally gets overshadowed by Makoto Niijima after she gets Mediarahan at 65 AND Futaba starts swapping out dead party members when you max her confidant.
In P3, FES, and Portable Koromaru is indeed the worst, but in Reload he's second only to Metis (1st place in The Journey). Yukari is the worst in Reload.
In P4 and Golden you're right though. I can't defend Yosuke and his dumpster tier skillset. Naoto is the second worst and Teddie is king.
I think Yukari is one of the best party members in Persona 3 Reload, mainly because by spending time with her at the dorm, she gains the hability to make heal skills cost decrease to 25% their original SP cost. Also, her second theurgy is broken, because it doubles damage of the next magical skill, for all party members, including magical theurgies. So, imagine a boss fight with that theurgy, the defense of the boss lowered, Akihiko with elec boost and elec amp, and then he does his second theurgy... it's almost as if he had done four theurgies in one single turn. And if by some miraculously way the boss manages to survive that, you still have other members' theurgies, also with doubled damage. With Yukari you can destroy the bosses in two turns.
@@eduardonoegarciaquiroz6439 Reload is the most Strength-dominant game in modern SMT history, so Magic characters like Yukari are below average. Koromaru's Power Howling theurgy will Charge up Junpei, Akihiko, and Metis, who deal more damage than the Magic-based Mitsuru who doesn't even get Ice Amp. Also, her personal trait isn't as good as Ken's, who has all the healing Yukari does; his SP regeneration gives him virtually infinite SP and having less than half will charge his utterly busted Divine Intervention theurgy.
Even after saying all that though, Reload Yukari is much better than the worst party members of other games.
@@trueNordVPN Well, that it's true, every Reload character is way more useful than the worst characters in other Persona games.
@@trueNordVPN for those reasons mitsuru is worse, her being a rakunda bot does not justify her otherwise dogshit kit.
I agree, morgana is an awesome party member, he was my medic the entire game
nah this man gotta be trolling 😭
im gonna gonna disagree with the P3R Koro take.
Dude comes innately with Revolution and Power Howling which in the context of P3R is genuinely insane as Phys Skills are extremely overtuned and theres no Crit Rate Cap like in P5R (the fact Skills like Arrow Rain and Torrent Shot on avg do more than Heavy Mag are a good example of this).Koro also gets Getsu-ei 4 levels after joining which is amazing for 2 reasons.
First off Getsu-ei is only 8% weaker than Brave Blade with similar Crit which means Koro is genuinely doing competent damage (more than any Magic character for while at least) even with a lackluster Str stat. The 2nd reason is that Critical Hits do count for Koros Theurgy and allow him to apply Power Howling at good pace.
Masukukaja is kinda whatever. Its most interesting use is how it interacts with Multihit Skills as it actually increases the chance of landing the max hits (meaning Akasha Arts now on avg outdoes Gods Hand and Myriad Arrows now outdoes Primal Force).
Koro also happens to be deceptively Bulky as not only does he have amazing Evasion off the bat, not only does he come with 2 immunities but for some reason he also has the 2nd highest Hp. No joke only Aragaki has more Hp so Koros constant Getsu-eis are pretty safe to spam.
Keep in mind the best damage dealers throughout the whole game are all Phys Characters like Junpei and Aki.
The only problem is the extremely rare Phys immune enemy that could taken out by Theurgy (iirc think there are like 6 total and 2 of them are Golden Hands that are immune to everything but Theurgy and Almighty).
My personal pick for the worst in 3R would be Yukari because shes so boxed in as a healer she doesn’t do anything else. However Healing can be covered by Items or done better by Ken.
She does the worst damage throughout the game, has little utility and has no defense. Shes outdone by Kens Divine Intervention by itself and Ken has the fastest Theurgy in the game so this is something Ken can actually sort of spam.
I also disagree with Yosuke and think Noatos the worst but after all that yapping I’m too lazy to type it.
Yukari is a must have. She pretty much hands free healing for the entire game if you max her personality traits.
plus, while she heals, she builds her theurgy.
@@hidekihbr Yukaris healing can be very easily covered by the abundant Items. Yuka requires iirc 4 turns of healing before she reaches full Theurgy and chances are you wont be healing every single turn so shes really not that fast at charging it. Kens Theurgy is basically a 0Sp Mediarahan that applies Phys/Magic Walls and it charges passively so Ken can tend to other things while filling meter. Ken can at least say that no item does what he does.
@@helpihavebats6392 A shame people just assume yukari is good because she has 8 sp max heals. Reload is an easy ass game so all party members are valid but some people will not admit that yukari is just lackluster compared to everyone else (including mitsuru)
I just cycle every party member to keep them at even levels in case I need them to fulfill an elemental niche. Hell, Morgana was one of my best P5 party members just because he was an absolute healing monster.
Naoto cannot take a hit during boss fights on normal and when I brought her along to fight the reaper at level 80 with Chie and Yukiko she was dead for the entire fight due to this. But the moment I brought Yosuke he actually didn't go down once so I think Yosuke is better than Naoto
More people need to open their eyes when they say "Chie is frail"
Morgana's pretty good if you can use him correctly but it's just too much work for most people, which makes sense. Yusuke has only one good skill and it just buffs a stat that isn't even important
Why is no one talking about Naoto? I’ve used her in all three playthroughs i’ve done and she’s a fairly mediocre character. The main focus on her is instant kill skills which is a niche pretty easily filled by Yu. Her 3rd awakening skill costs insane amounts of sp to the point it’s barely usable and she only learns single target skills on element attacks. Only main appeal I can think of is heat riser.
Naoto's worse at bosses not to mention the amount of misinformed people claim that "Chie is frail" and fail to look at Naoto's even lower endurance on top of having the second lowest max HP in the game. She is way more frail and hits like a wet noodle, often better for blowing past dungeon floors, clearing regular enemies. You don't need Shields of Justice as well since you've got so many safety nets.
That's your personal taste man and you don't wanna force it. Many people, including me, like the persona mascots, and I think they're an important part of the series.
I dont get why people think Morgana is the worst party member in p5, he has by far the best healing outside of I guess the protag, with some great crit and status support
Healing just isn’t a important niche in 5 where items are very abundant and enemies are so not threatening.
I did a no Healing Skill test run of Kamos Palace on Hard mode and literally half the dungeon can be done with just base Guns alone and the like 2 dungeon bosses can only two hit one party member at a time so a couple of items healed off the damage.
@@helpihavebats6392did you play persona 5 royal or persona 5 vanilla, because morgana is very useful in vanilla
@@unnamed68645R to be exact cant say I have any experience with vanilla so Idk.
Youske is the best party member in p4 he has a bit of everything! Solid physical skills, strong wind skills, healing skills, he even learns megido in the bathhouse he is amazing.
Man just shafted Akechi in the P5 section
I don't really agree with Koromaru's and Morgana's title as the worst party member in their respective game, but I can see where you're coming from. You were pretty convincing, but I still think Junpei (FES/Portable) is still the worst party member in P3 and Yusuke in P5. Great video though, you ALMOST made me change my mind 👍
don't forget about Ryuji's ability that just kills shadows if your higher level and run at them or hit them in morgana car
10:10 It doesn't help that Makoto also has an All Stats +14 Gun that you can get, which makes her better than most of the cast stat wise, Atomic Flare which hits at the level of Ann, A Crit Bonus Basic Attack for Baton Pass, Healing that with that Gun, is enough to nearly fill everyones Hp. She's stupid good, I wish I liked her as a character more.
Yosuke is my favourite persona 5 party member
Dont diss my goat yosuke😭
I almost always had Morgana in my party. I mean he’s low damage but having a healer without eating up the protagonists SP is really useful. I’d say Haru or Ann were my least used. Most enemies at endgame block fire and Joker can easily use a Psy skill if needed.
Persona 4 is wrong about Yosuke because Chie suffers from the Black Spot phase for 29 levels. Kanji makes her irrelevant. Both Kanji and Teddie can do her job better than she can. Meanwhile Yosuke has better wind than Naoto and will outdamage her in both physical and magic. I have been killing Golden Hands with Almighty with Yosuke and the MC. Naoto isn't really needed for that.
If you pair up Yosuke with Kanji and Teddie, they can Heat Riser the whole party. Rise will always give you the charge buff if the Attack, Defense and Evasion buffs is already on your characters. I can't do that with Yukiko because she has no buffs.
I once beaten Margaret on very hard at level 67. The team was Yosuke, Kanji and Teddie. There's no way Yosuke is the worst if I can beat Margaret at that level.
don't you EVER say that about yosuke
i used yosuke up until i got naoto, and the only reason was because i didnt fuse any personas that used garu skills, so i was only using him for elemental diversity
Koromaru actually has use in certain parts.....like most p3 characters and no I don't include reload cause they took away the difficulty and necessity to use other characters and how they were important for certain parts.
Never Cook again
Yosuke and no Chie?
I am sorry but chie is just awful has no use whatsoever and once you get Kanji, bye bye Chie.
Replace Yosuke once Teddie Joins.
Chie is the best physical character in the game, she will do way more single target damage than Kanji. God's Hand handles everything
@@fafnirable1 that is just not true. Kanji gets Stronger Phys Skills and has a higher Str stat.
Primal Force 1100 power 25% Crit
Gods Hand 800 power 15% Crit
With an AptPupil Accessory he has both an stronger and higher Crit move.
@helpihavebats6392 Chie gets Rebellion through SL and has innate Power Charge, plus Hama if you go through Bike Skills. Dragon Hustle is also a broken support move while the Man's Way just knocks down. Kanji might get Power Charge through SL, but he's lacking rebellion early on. Give Chie an Apt Pupil accessory and have her use Rebellion and Power Charge. Support Chie is also better than Support Kanji. Why use Matarukaja when you can use Dragon Hustle? Why use Mediarama when Yosuke can do the same with added Masukukaja and Yukiko just throws out Salvation
@ Rebellion isn’t super notable? Im gonna assume you mean Revolution which is fine enough Support Skill but genuinely nothing super. As for Dragon Hustle she literally doesn’t have to Sp to use it more than once in a fight and requires a Spell Master Equip to use more (literally 2 Max Sp off of being able to cast twice at lv99). Even then by the time you get it barely any fights should be lasting longer than the Mcs aoe Auto-Buffs. At least Kanjis can use Matarukaja for a decent number of longer bossfights where Dragon Hustle can’t be said to do that. Neither Characters are particularly good Support so I leave that Support role to Teddie who has Marakunda and Matarukaja which is generally all you need towards the late game. Healing is also not something thats super necessary to have a dedicated Character spot for since Healing Items are not hard to get and they do the job.
Chie already has innate Apt Pupil and the same Skill cant stack so her Gods Hand is 30% Crit which is only 5% higher than Kanjis Primal Force without any Crit Increase. Kanji with an Apt Pupil Accessory hits 50% Crit.
kanji is garbage, he only gets good when you finally max him out and he gets primal force, chie is the better choice, wtf do you mean "no use whatsoever"??? she's literally a better version of kanji
We can’t let you in the kitchen again. The only thing I see cooking in this video are the points with Morgan’s Morgan.
Don't you dare diss my baby boy Morgana 😡
5:03 "Masukujaka"
11:58 what are you on about??????????? The starter pokemon are some of the strongest pokemon in their games, especially in recent years with their busted ass signature moves.
1. I DO agree with Koromaru being the absolute worst in the PS2 versions of Persona3 + Portable .
HOWEVER ! for Reload this couldnt be far from the truth
don't konw if you know this or not but ... during a Full Moon Koromarus Getsu-ei has a 551 base power, more than double that of heavy Dyne spells , and almost the same power as Brave Blade ( a sever skill ) and he gets that skill the mokent he joins your team ( and dont forget that every major boss battle takes place during a full moon in this game ).
He also starts out with Power Howling making him essential for any DPS team since Junpei and Akihiko ( the two heighest damage dealing party memebrs in the game ) both use phys skills.
He also starts out with Auto Masukunda as a trait, while also getting Masukukaja, meaning that multi hit skills which are some of the heighest damage dealing skills in the mis to late game ( Arrow rain, Myriad arrows, Torrent Shots , Blade of fury and Akasha arts ) all hit the maximum number of times .
He also gets Revolution which makes him excelllent suppirt for Junepi whos trait makes him the heighest damage dealing party memebr ( yes even more than the pritagonist themslves ) whenever he crits.
At the gery end of the game he also learns Debilitate
Basically Koromaru is the best support character in this game, and he gets almost all of these abilities as soon as he joins you, not to mention being the strongest damage dealing party member for quite a long while thanks to Getsu-ei. Calling him the " worst " is honestly such a bad take.
2. While I do agree with Yosuke being a horrible party member (I'd honestly rank him as the second worst), I feel like he's still MILES better than Naoto, who's by far the most horrible party member in Persona 4.
> she has almost a complete lack of any worthwhile support, Tetrakarn and Makarakarn are a wasted skill slot because you can easily farm an infinite amount of the Karn vegetables where every party member can cast on themselves ( instead of relying on Naoto casting them one by one every turn ), and Heat Riser is genuinely worthless since it only affects one party member meaning that it takes you 4 turns to actually bppst your entire party, however since kaja spells only last 3 turns this means that there will ALWAYS be one party member not boosted at all times, this is made worse by the fact that you can easily get a " heat riser " effect on the entire party way easier by simply using Kanji + Teddie + Yosuke or just using Chies " Dragon Hustle " . Basically all the support she can provide can be done infinitely better by items/other party members.
> for damage she's stuck dead last when it comes to raw damage, because of the fact that almighty is by far the worst damage type in Persona due to lacking any sort of boost/amp passives for comparison sakes:
Kanjis charged Primal force: √(1.100)×1,25=41,45
Chies charged God Hand: √(800)×1,25= 35,35
Yukikos double boosted charged BurningPetals: (√(190))×1,25×1,5×1,25=32,30
Yosukes Brave Blade: √(700)=26,45
Teddies double boosted Bufudyne:(√(160))×1,25×1,5= 23,71
Naotos charged Megidolaon: (√(210))×1,25=18,11
So Naotos Megidolaon even with Mind Charge s by far the weakest attack in the party, she can potentially outdamage Teddie if you give her the Frost Shot gun + 50% ice vow + Bufudyne from bike skills, however this set up is mostly locked to end game because Naotos earliest Bike Ride is November 13th meaning that you miss out on the " Heaven " dungeon, and the 50% ice accessory is locked inside Yomotsu Hirasaka. So even if you go way out of you way to give her this set up this will only be possible at the very end of the game and even then she's still the second worst damage dealing party member after Teddie ( whos still a significantly superior party member due to having access to actual good support skills in Marakukaja + Matarukaja + Marakunda and also access to healing skills )
>for "mob clearing" , a job that people for whatever reason INSIST that Naoto is great at (spoiler alert: she isn't), she's stuck with single target Hamaon and Mudoon spells for almost the entire game as she doesnt get Mahamaon and Mamudoon until level 69 and 71 respectively, meaning that you won't be using these skills until Yomotsu Hirasaka + the protagonist can get not only Mahamaon and Mamudoon SIGNIFICANTLY earlier, but you can also get SAMSARA (a straight UPGRADE to Mahamaon) earlier than Naoto gets her AOE instakills, she gets all 4 elements for "coverage " however literally just having 3 party members already covers 3 elements as is since every party member specializes in a specific element, so even for " Mob Clearing" she's still atrocious.
Literally the only thing Naoto has going for her is the fact that she has the best resistances in the party ( 2 repels + 1 drain + no weaknesses ) but thats literally about it
You're wrong about Brave Blade and Burning Petals. Brave Blade is slightly stronger. There's even a video that shows it. And Teddie will always beat Naoto's ice when Rise gives everyone's charge. Because Teddie's accessory slot is opened for God's Love.
why is yosuke even on here... bro literally has everything 😭 Good HP, Good SP, Evasion Support, Healing, And has good Physical AND Magic
you could argue he might be one of the BEST party members throughout all games honestly
never rate again fn💔
Yosuke is jack of all trades but master of nothing. There’s nothing he’s good at that can’t be fulfilled by the other party members. Need healing Yukiko is the best at both healing and magic because all he gets is single target healing until his ultimate skill which isn’t even a full heal it’s just a cadenza. If you need physical Chie and Kanji are there for that because they both are going to be able to hit harder than Yosuke ever will. Sukakaja isn’t as important as attack or defense up. A different jack of all trades exist with Teddie and teddie does it better with better healing with party wide healing, having Matarukaja with Marakunda the best buff and debuff skills with better magic. You need to do Yosuke social link and bike events in order to even get better healing because Diarama and Diarahan are locked behind that. There’s nothing he brings to the party beside being an early party member
@ericgropuis nah yosuke gets mediarama, and with the blessed hands item it's damn near a full HP heal... and chie does NOT hit harder then yosuke last time I checked😭 maybe with a charge (i THINK she has that? I forget I'd have to check again) but without that I think she's actually a decent bit weaker then yosuke, in terms of both her physical stat and the fact that she gets a Heavy-Dmg dealing physical skill WAY later then both kanji AND yosuke for some reason... and even when she does (rainy death) I remember rainy death not hitting for alot either💔 she doesn't really pick up this slack until she gets gods hand which is like... super omega late game
@@Sinsukihealing really isn’t super notable with Hp healing items not being rare.
Isn’t Yosuke stuck with a Medium Phys Skill for half the game (35 Levels) until Brave Blade while Chie gets Black Spot shortly after which is stronger with higher base Crit + Apt Pupil.
@helpihavebats6392 I think so? I can't remember completely rn
but I do also know that chie is stuck with black spot for a decent bit while both yosuke and kanji upgrade to heavier hitting physical skills
@@Sinsuki Mediarama at late game is nothing to write home about when before late game you have mediaramas and full healing way earlier. Chie does hit harder than Yosuke with better physical skills and having charge. Before P4G Yosuke only had Sonic Punch a light physical skill until he got Brave Blade late game now he gets a medium skill until late game brave blade and that’s all just single target moves, Chie gets multi target attacks and has Apt Pupil letting her get a lot of crits. She has Auto-Tarukaja, ramapge, gale slash, and Revolution which she can rely on to get good physical damage until she gets those heavy hitting skills.
Yosuke doesn’t even get those better healing skills unless you do his social link and bike events Kanji even gets a Mediarama through bike events, Teddie joins the party with it and Yukiko gets it at level 43 while you have to wait until the end of the game to have him awaken to his 3rd Persona to have a Mediarama. What’s the point of even putting that investment into him when the moment you get Kanji you can bench Yosuke and lose nothing
Because Yosuke is trying to do so much with wanting to heal, deal magic damage, cast status effects while also trying to deal physical damage he can’t excel at any of them because Chie and Kanji focus on dealing physical damage. Naoto focuses on dealing magic damage of all types even almighty. Teddie focuses on multi things do but it’s better things to focus on with healing, buffing and debuffing while dealing ice damage. Yukiko focuses on healing and dealing massive fire damage. All of them have a clear focus while Yosuke doesn’t so he won’t be better at any of your other party members at doing the things they do.
Gotta hard disagree with Brown. Nobody forces you to use him and his gun is pretty solid, plus Scorching Tablets exist so chariot personas really don't have megido skills going for them. I hate to say it because he's my favorite party member of the p1 cast but I'll have to say the worst is Mark. His gun is bad, his melee doesn't make up for the shortcomings of his gun, and like I said megido skills aren't exactly unique to Chariot personas, plus they have terrible Agility which is probably one of the most vital stats in the game. And the worst part? He's mandatory in Sebec. But then again I've only really played through the Sebec route once so I'm not sure how qualified I am to give my opinion, and besides Mark ended up being my one of my party members alongside the mc because I fused a really high agility persona and gave it Megidolaon. Honestly it's really hard to say anybody's truly bad in p1 because it's so easy to give everyone megido or ma-dyne skills and good agility.
i... i like brown.... he's my favorite P1 party member....
Brown isn't the worst Persona 1 party member. Far from it. Having the same guns as MC still makes him very useful. Wish I could say the same about Ayase and the joke known as her weapon selection. Using the argument about Persona access is moot given you barely need to update Personas in 1, and have I mentioned guns are the strongest attack type in 1? Not helped by guns scaling to stats that boost defense and evasion, which were also very strong in 1. Yeah he's no Elly or Reiji, but Brown is still useable. Also Ayase is right there.
Agreed on Koromaru, in PS2/PSP. Koromaru getting Debilitate in Reload and Akihiko losing his debuffs shot Koromaru way up. Koromaru has a solid niche in PQ as well due to high speed Teardrops.
Yosuke, more like cringe, amrita?
Disagree on Morgana. You might as well say Yukari is bad.
Yosuke's kit is all over the place
Then what about teddie i didn't use him once i got him because of this
But mona is agreed the ryuji and makoto combo carried my till the end of the game
Koromaru the worse in 3 RELOAD?! Ah hell no
In the OG? Sure I could see why over Ken. Dark only had instakill skills, while koro was fast he was just eh, and not worth it. IN RELOAD?! BUSTED SKILLS RIGHT OFF THE BAT. If you need something dead then Koro had something. Crits to the team with Revolution, Gestu and Zanstu slash for full moon damage, nulls both fire and dark (two skills that most mid and late game enemies have) if koro can’t do something then the enemy probably nulls slash, fire, dark, and spams lights skills. Which in my play through is only 2 times in the game. 2 times where he aint the best choice. But if the enemy nulls all of the listed then Junpei, Mitsu, and at sometimes the protag can’t do it as well.
In 3 the worse is literally Mitsuru in basically every version.
She sucks in the OG because she’s frail, will miss Marin Karan on enemies, and most enemies late game don’t really have an ice weakness. And even if they do, just craft the ice gloves for Akihiko and he’ll do more than her with a regular physical attack. She doesn’t get any better within Reload with the only good thing she gets is her debuff therogry, which in itself SUCKS BECAUSE ITS AN ALLMIGHTY SKILL ON A SPECIAL MOVE WHERE THEY ALREADY GO THROUGH ALL SKILLS
Yosuke being the worst in persona 4?☠️
What, did you play the game on easy and he didn't do as much damage as Chie or what?
Yosuke's best in-slot weapon is the kitchen knives +10 strenght
Yosuke has acces to Brave blade, Garudyne/Magarudyne(with wind boost and wind amp) DEKAJA (WICH IS LITERALLY A LIFE SAVER WHEN PLAYING ON HARD MODE) megido mid-game for rare enemies (if you even bother doing the scouter events)
Masukukaja wich again is a broken skill, especially when farming rare enemies
The worst party member in the game is Kanji, his lack of Aoe skills and his low MP pool really makes his worthless for everything besides boss fights
"Naoto is using garudyne better than yosuke" no...she doesn't, she's the second worst character in the game (again, did you play the game on easy?)
Why the hell do people rate koromaru so low? He was amazing for me in reload! I didn’t need anyone else with me when I got yukari, akihiko, and koromaru! I would think Mitsuru or aigis would be the worst members with how little damage they do in comparison?
It depends what you’re looking for. I found mitsuru to be pretty decent considering her whole thing is debuffs. The final ice move on her is pretty good too.
@ her raw power isn’t as strong as other characters, she me bay able to debuff but so can koromaru, Akihiko, and yukari. Debuffing isn’t unique to her and her magic can’t help with that. I like her personality but not as teammate.
I guess he meant that her 2nd theurgy has debilitate
For the games I played (3 - 5) I would say ken is worst in p3 from what I can tell but I also don't know much about p3 meta tbh but I used him in my party for a but and just didn't see worth in using him over my current party Mc, akehiko, yukari and aigis. In p4 i agree it's yosuke but mostly out of technicality I don't think he's that bad I used him in all my playthroughs because he's my fav character I like having a character thst can adapt to any situation but it's true that him not doing anything the best also hurts him. In p5 I honestly think there is a case for yosuke being the worst he brings nothing to the table that ryuji and later on yoshizawa can't do Morgana is at least nice to have for early game healing especially in the boss fights where you want joker to help out as much as possible but I agree that he's worthless once makoto joins still I think it more than yosuke will shine and this is from someone who always uses yusuke BTW because he's my fav male party member but every time I use him I feel like i' handy capping myself by jot just using ryuji instead
@@r.c.3813 idk about Yoshi > Yusuke as in exchange for very slightly higher Crit over Yusuke she trades off a fair amount of damage.
Swords Dance is sqrt360 Power 40% Crit though with her innate Apt Pupil its 60% (thats the Crit Cap).
Brave Blade is sqrt600 Power 35% Crit.
The thing is Yusuke can be given an Apt Pupil Accessory (obtained around Harus Join) and have the same if not slightly lower Crit to Yoshi while doing more damage.
In Fes/Portable Ken is better than Koromaru. Being weak to Mudo sucks and Hama isn't helpful for bosses but his other traits are good. He is the best party member with pierce skills since he got Spear Master and Vile Assault. Akihiko doesn't get strike skills to take advantage of his Fist Master. Ken is the only other person to get spread healing skills. Ken sadly does not get Elec Boost or Amp like Akihiko but he is still alright.
The main reasons why Akihiko outclassed Ken is because Ken being weak to instant kill Mudo skills isn't good, Ken is available later than Akihiko, and the fact that Akihiko has every debuff skill in the game. Bear in mind Debilitate wasn't in the game so that trait alone made Akihiko a mandatory party member ( This is also why Aigis is so good, she has every buff skill in a game where Heat riser is locked behind fusion spells).
Pairing Akihiko and Ken during the Margaret fight and the answer is good since electric is very reliable. Akihiko can Debuff enemies while Ken heals your team.
yosuke is second best party member, idk what kind of drugs you guys are on, just the fact that he has brave blade and dekaja makes him valuable, he also gets masukukaja wich is a game changer on very hard difficulty
also in original persona 3, or fes, koro is worst than ken, but yeah, ken is second worst
@@tinysuperaqua i didn't know this stuff i tried to make him work but i didn't really know what to do with him
Persona 4 Golden member tier list
Yu
Yukiko
Kanji
Yosuke
Naoto
Teddie
Chie
Poor Koromaru...
Recently I beat P3P and honestly I think he isn't the worst in all, I always used him in my party with Ken and Aigis.
For me, the worst is Yukari (yeah, it hurts for me).
(idk if in Reload they changed Koromaru or keep the same stuff)
How dare you disrespect our collective dog!
Ken in my opinion is the weakest one.
What the heck is that version of Persona 1?
The PSP remake
Yosuke is way better than Kanji in battle.
damn didn't know today was opposite's day 😭
Mitsuru is the worst in Reload
Say it with me: Suku. Kaja. Not Sukujaka.
W Cat
My worst for every game is Mitsuru is Reload (everything just goes against her), Kanji in P4G (Chie eclipses him), and Ann in P5R (tried to copy Yukiko but with her versatility). None of these characters are bad, it's just every other character has more versatility
Do everyone a favor and stop yapping please
dawg WHAT
P5 Queen
P4 Chie
P3 Shinjiro
L opinion Chie is arguably one of the best party members next to Yukiko
@stevenflores7405 all Opinions are subjective, I found Chie to be the weakest link in my Playthrough, same for Queen and Shinjiro
You have your opinion I have mine
@@Joker3180Z Valid as much as I love Yosuke, he's probably the weakest link for me
@@Joker3180Z your opinions are absolute garbage. shinjiro is the strongest party member, chie is a way better version of kanji, kanji's only use is when you finally get his final skill, until then he's the worst version of chie, as for queen, she gets Dekunda, mediarahan, energy shower, marakukaja and you call her the worst while yusuke exists?, yusuke only gets single target skills and gets outshined by Ryuji, the facts that you can't even understand who the worst characters are is telling me you played all the games on easy/normal (wich is still baby mode)
@emphathicc4832 TL;DR
Opinions are always Subjective, not Objective
To claim an opinion is objective is to feign ignorance
The best member party?
Shinjiro
Yukiko
Ryuji
@@emphathicc4832 Yukiko? She does mid damage for most of the game due to a combination Yukiko learning Boosters slow and Magic in general being weak, her Healing can be done by common items for the most part. Id say Teddie just because of he can spam Matarukaja and Marakunda.
@@davidebuiese8035
Ken/Yukari (shields/broken theurgy/heals/heat riser or heals with low SP cost/amrita shower/AoE Concentrate)
Naoto (2 elements, Megidolaon, and Heat Riser)
Haru (both shields, heat riser, lowers the chance for status moves on party, and amrita shower)
You're the worst character.
Got em.
The worst party members are Ken in P3, Teddie in P4 and Morgana in P5. Are they actually the worst in combat? No, maybe not, they're just my least favorite as characters.
Not mentioning sakamoto from P5 in a "worst character" video is crazy