David lynch said it himself it was the production execs who wanted a 2:30 movie instead of 3 and no parts 1 and 2, just in one. Poor man had to work with what he had
I’m not sure that extra 30 minutes would’ve saved the movie - it was a mess, poor visuals, odd acting sometimes, complete disregard of almost all important side characters like Stilgar and complete change of plot and meaning behind it The original story was about the fact that religious messiahs are usually not messiahs, and this all thing is manipulated and people should really beware of charismatic leaders. I guess that’s why the book is such a blast - it leaves some bitter sweet ending. Like good guys have won, but you’re not so sure it’s a good thing anymore and even if they’re really good guys. While in Lynch version this topic is completely erased and it’s pretty standard “revenge story” without any extra layers of meaning
@@Afdog Yup Lynch fans want to relieve him of any responsibility for how crap this movie is. But the truth is that he also flopped and even if he had no influence from the studio, He can never adapt Dune well. It just isnt within his capabilities and past his limit as a director. Not saying he's a poor director, obviously he's Great! But Lynch fans should get off his dick. He is limited in some regard. Oops, hope they dont attack me now for stating facts.
@Leslie Bannister just curious, but did you also read the 3 books after the first? Paul and his children do have prescience and his son mutates into a worm. Lynches creepy directing style captured the bizarreness of it all fairly well, special effects or not
@@Pete-jr4lw yep I read them and actually bizarre stuff started mainly from Leto and progressed further as I see it First one was much more direct in this without all these partially incomprehensible speeches of Worm Leto. By meaning of the story I meant that in the book it’s literally was said that Paul isn’t even happy that he will win himself as he knows what is expected to become of the universe if he wins and even considers that maybe if he kills Jessica and himself it will be better option for humanity. And this topic is almost completely skipped in the movie. That’s what I was talking about. Regarding Paul’s mad dreams - I actually prefer new version more as it more looked like visions of the future (and even confused ones, as first we think this is future and then we understand that this is only possible future), while Lynch’s complete surrealism maybe more conceptual, but it tells you nothing as you can’t understand what this means
@@stephenking5852 The 3rd act is very bad, but the first act shoves exposition down your throat while going at an incredibly slow pace. The second acts biggest flaw is that it barely spends any time when Paul is with the Fremen. And the worm ride is very anticlimactic. Also it does exposition very poorly so that if you have no knowledge of Dune then you will have no idea what’s going on. The acting is terrible especially with Paul; who has little to no emotion. And mediocre acting for most everyone else. The only standout is Brad Dourif as Piter who was quite good.
@@wolverinehobbit1 I think the exposition is a bit of a meme though because it’s mostly internal whispering. South Park even did a parody of it before the 2021 movie came out.
@@stephenking5852 Yeah they just didn’t do a good job explaining anything. I knew someone who knew all of the lore and after watching the movie said “If I hadn’t read the books than I wouldn’t know what was going on.” Not only is the exposition poorly conveyed to new audiences, but if you have read the books then the exposition is extremely tedious and painful to sit through.
I love how the new Dune pays a lot of Homage to the 1984 Film. There is details that aren't found in the Books but found in the 1984 Film. The Director of the New Film is a David Lynch Fan.
@@Afdog The actresses though. Francesca Annis's Lady Jessica and Virginia Madsen's Princess Irulan... I'm sorry to say this, they are far more attractive and regal looking than the 2021 & 2023 cast.
@@Factboy12 beauty is subjectional mate, I prefer new Jessica and can’t say anything about Irulan until I see her in the movie (doesn’t mean old dune versions are unattractive or something) acting was still a bit weird for me due to Lynch direction with odd repeatings of the lines, etc. He is very theatrical, I’m not sure this suits dune - it has enough symbolism without extra stuff from the director
84s dune will always have a special place in my heart. The new dune holds up closer to the book and have Hans Zimmers music was a lock for me. It was so good.
@@jasonsgroovemachineNo it's not, the original Dune is only 60-75% accurate, just to mention the worst chance in the movie of 1984: Paul is a Messiah with supernatural abilities who is in fact the savior of Arrakis, the direct opposite of the book. Actually, something that F. Herbert mentioned at the time: Paul is not a hero or Messiah, he's a lie built to control the Fremen and the Galaxie.
Love love love the 2021 version, but will always have a soft spot for David Lynch's version. I know it was not what he had envisioned, but still always worth a look.
@EmpiricalPragmatist you're only about 5 or 6 hours from having your answer! 😉. But on a serious note, i think the miniseries went into more depth on everything but i dont remember them well and thats really saying something itself. The movies take you somewhere you won't forget anytime soon
lynch did not edit the original. he filmed it, then the studio spat in his face and gave it to someone else to edit. he was so angry at this that he asked to remove his name from it entirely.
The original was amazing, i watched it as a kid and my mind was blown. I loved the visuals and later in life the dune RTS game enabled me to get into it even more. I was excited to see a modern take on it, and while i liked it i still prefer the original. One thing i did enjoy in the new one was seeing more sardukar stuff, loved the chant scene
Everyone's points regarding the original movie are valid. Regardless, the newest dune movies are by far the greatest articles of cinema in many years. Thank you Denis Villanueva and the whole team + cast behind such masterpieces!
it was the 1984 version's 40th anniversary this past weekend, Feb 18th and 19th, and Fathom Events brought it back to theaters. I wasn't even born in 1984, so that was my first time seeing the movie in theaters, third time in total. Lot of sound effects in the 1984 version will sound cheap on a normal screen and speakers, but sounds excellent in theaters, or theaters quality speakers
Not really. In the book, the Navigators are just that: navigators. They calculate the trajectory of the heighliners which are propelled by the Holtzman generator. The generator is folding space, not the Navigators.
@@Xerxes2005 Exactly, how are people who have not read the book, going to understand that. I know the Holtzman Folds space, and the Steersman guides its path. But on the 2021 film, It shows them as a Tunnel, which is not accurate at all. They travel a route from system to system, and some ships dock, till they reach their stop. Loading and unloading is then done, before the it travels to the next system. Unless they are hired for a specific job like forces movement etc. They would not have a High liner in 2 systems at once.
@@carljhirst They are seen moving though, so it's hard to see them simply as portals. And the Navigators are still said to be searching a safe path. Anyhow, my main problem with Villeneuve's movie about the Spacing Guild is that they don't seem involved enough. We're suppose to see them at the end of the movie, since Paul needs their support if he wants to launch his Jihad. If the Guild does not recognize him, how could Paul send his troops to fight rebel houses? And yet, we see them leaving right away...
@@Xerxes2005 The Prequel Books were awesome. Shows Guerny going around some of his old smuggler friends to find spice stores on board their ships. This was to help a poisoned Steersman in his tank, so they could get back to the Imperium Space. Also had the New High liners being built in a giant hanger on Ix. Leto watched them bring in the Navigator to Fold it out of the hanger. 2 Brothers from Ix, 1 became a Navigator, the other stayed on Ix to fight the Tleilaxu, who were trying to make a New spice in Axolotl tanks ( Tleilaxu Womens mutant Wombs. Or any Woman in fact. As they captured a Bene woman and she managed to make some super spice mix that flipped their top scientist out). I'd love to see him do those prequels. That explain a lot in detail. We can only hope. He should've shown a Steersman at least. Explained more on the Guild. As getting their backing was key.
@@skippychurch2965 The Denis Villeneuve Dune movies really is dull despite more advanced film technology to its benefit .... 1984's Dune is better because it retains the mystical appeal of the characters and the industrial planets ...
@@88feji and how it rains at the end, thus ficking up the entire lore of the universe. Listen, you're entitled to like a terrible movie. Just don't expect others to like it
@@88feji Dull is certainly one of the words of all time to describe the new movies….lol. They are far and away more mind blowing and creative than the 1984 movie.
I like em both. There's certain things David Lynch got right like the Harkonnens having red hair, The Baron's excessive monologuing. It showed the connection to Jessica being a Harkonnen that you'd have to be a cinephile to notice if you had not read the book.
@@Chitownbrotha30 of course it is a classic. But just because it's a classic doesn't mean it will always be the better film. You can also accept that the new films are very, very good
The new version looks dull and plain completely to the 84 one😮 The new version baddies are just not as nasty as those in the original. The costumes are not as good as well
David Lynch was one of the greatest artists of several generations and he gave everything he had on Dune and did it well. I remember my parents and my friends parents watching this when it came out on vhs and it was way more influential than any of the contemporary crap we see now!!
imagine if he had been allowed to edit the original 1984 movie in the first place. he filmed it then they gave it to someone else to edit. total disrespect to a great director.
The theatrical cut is sadly the ONY official Lynch approved cut even if he could not make it himself. He felt the 3 hour TV Cut was absolutely horrible and refused to have his name in the titles, hence the TV cut says "Directed by Alan Smithee". I would LOVE to see how an actual Directors Cut by David Lynch would look like if he would be given the chance but to this day he still refuses to touch Dune again. They really broke him with it back then. But i think it's important for him to find his peace with it and face it once more to ACTUALLY finally have HIS version.
@@KRAFTWERK2K6 He has said many times there is no "his" version. The film he shot was predicated on that 2.5 hour limit. There is more "stuff" but there is no significantly longer film that embodies his full vision because he never shot it.
@@scottwillie6389 I think with A.I. image & video generation as well as Deepfake technology for face-swaps of actors, it should be possible to simulate the scenes he wanted to shoot in a way he wanted and making this a 2 part thing. I just doubt he'll get the funding and it seems nothing from his side would actually consider doing this. But damn... i would love to see this actually happening. So he can finally make this HIS movie. I would want this so much for him.
Dune 84 is fantastic. I saw it at the cinema at the time. Several times since. It has a horror, a sense of the grotesque that this newer version lacks. Don't understand the hate the earlier film gets at all.
Суупер!. Сравнение просто огонь!. Пол Атридес в разных исполнениях, и Чани от разных, очень разных актрис.. 😊😊❤❤ Это вдохновляет, заряжает, нравится, когда действительно достойную книгу решают экранизировать и не единожды.. Дени Вильнёв конечно освежил историю, сюжет Ф. Герберта, а Дэвид Линч познакомил зрителя с ним впервые и это было незабываемо.. Считается, что фильм 80х многое пропустил, многое переиначил, но вот посмотрев вот этот ролик, мы видим, что как раз первая версия была очень правдива и близка к оригиналу..❤❤ Актёры отлично передали характеры и нравы своих героев, чего стоит только вот этот антигерой с лукавой масляной улыбкой на слащавом лице, а герцог Лето стал символом мужества , мудрости и человеколюбия для многих поколений зрителей..🤩😍🥰 Актёр сыгравший В. Харконнена справился с ролью блестяще , превосходно. Ещё никогда не видела настолько безбожного, бесчеловечного, испорченного и циничного антигероя.. 👏👏❤❤
@@simongordeziani3791 👍 Да точно и формат очень подходящий полный метр на два - три часа. Для книги маловато, но для основных моментов , событий и ярких образов главных героев самое то.. Многие осуждают тогдашнюю манеру режиссёра комкать времена и события. А сегодня мы видим, что это было наилучшим решением авторов фильма, гениальным приёмом, методом, чтобы привлечь зрителя и не утомить его скучным повествованием.. 😊😊❤❤
@@simongordeziani3791😊😊❤❤ Здесь многие зарубежные зрители пишут что разочарованы новой экранизацией книги Фрэнка Герберта.. Новый фильм не видела, всё собираюсь посмотреть, но трейлеры меня впечатлили.. И актёры очень гармонично вписались в образы.. Мне нравятся Оскар Айзек и Ребекка Фергюсон в роли супругов Атридесов , Тимоти Шаламет талантлив и смог войти в роль Пола очень уверенно, мне кажется.. Конечно версия 84 года компактная и для лёгкого понимания , восприятия сюжета создатели фильма сделали всё возможное , этим он и привлекает зрителя, ну и яркими, рельефными образами конечно.. В этом смысле с актёрами кинофильма Линча не сможет сравниться никто..
David Lynch was just ahead of his time. Back then absolutely nobody wanted to do multiple movies for a book adaptation. They forced him to rewrite was originally planned to be three movies into one.
@@Factboy12Agreed. Zendaya is not as pretty as Sean Young; Florence is definitely more attractive than Zendaya but falls short of 1984 Virginia Madsen. Francesca Annis and 21/24 Jessica are a toss-up. Just my opinion 🤷🏻♀️
@@triphophoney2981 Here are my favorites after watching Part 2 (2024) : Paul Atreides = Both versions are good. Lady Jessica = 1984. Duke Leto = Both versions are good. Duncan Idaho = 2021. Chani = 1984. Stilgar = Both versions are good. Gurney Halleck = 2024. Thufir Hawat = 1984. Dr. Yueh = 2021. Princess Irulan = 1984. Emperor Shaddam = 2024. Baron Harkonnen = 2024. Glossu Rabban = 2024. Feyd-Rautha = 2024.
@@Factboy12 I agree with virtually everything on your list except for Baron Harkkonen. The 1984 version was far more revolting than Stellan. But maybe I'm biased because I was 11 when the Lynch version came out, so far more impressionable. 😆
I love so much the respect I see now for Dune 1984, instead of mockery or criticism. The movie has its flaws, but for 1984 I believe was a pretty neat adaptation
I'm sorry to say this, but I think that most of the 1984 cast is almost has a good-looking has the 2021 & 2023 cast. Especially for some of the women. Francesca Annis's Lady Jessica and Virginia Madsen's Princess Irulan. Francesca Annis was gorgeous. She really looked like a witch.
@@riveraharper8166 I guess I shouldn't be sorry as well then. I do completely agree though, Sean Young is more beautiful than Zendaya... but, don't you think Zendaya is a more appropriate choice for a desert planet character ? I mean, Sean Young was as pale as a ghost. As for Princess Irulan. OMG ! Virginia Madsen is FAR more beautiful and REGAL looking than Florence Pugh. There were rumors that Anya Taylor-Joy auditioned for the role of Princess Irulan. She would've been a much better choice than Pugh. Taylor-Joy can pull-off the regal look.
@@Factboy12 Anya Taylor-Joy should have been way better by appeal. Not to mention she's slowly growing to a great actress. Well I give you that pale thing. They should use some fake tanner then. :P
I think that if i was 30 years younger, id feel the same from zendaya as i did from Sean. Both have that mysterious smoldering look achieved with less words than more. But now im 50 years old and immune to such things. Would be interesting to hear what someone much younger took from the scenes with chani
I love Sean Young because I’m a huge Blade Runner fan but I actually think Zendaya looks more believable as Chani. She’s not as short as described in the book but she has that sort of willowy elfin quality whilst also looking grounded.
Zendaya is a more novel accurate interpretation of Chani. She also plays the role better as an actress. As far as who's more attractive, thats super subjective so no point in discussing it
Dune 84 is weird, wonderful, and cheesy in all the best ways. Lynch was given an impossible task snd he turned a movie out that you can watch and enjoy.
Yesh thats one thing i didnt like in the new one, they toned down the harkonens so much, especially the baron, instead of the psychotic, violent, murderers, indulgent in all facets of life, they are now just slightly naughty 😅
@@crazysithslave I have several more reasons. Timothy doesn't look like a guy who fit for a (fake)messiah. At least I can picture Kyle MacLachlan to defeat Sting... In fact I am unsure he can deferat his own granny. Zendaya and Flo Po are some glorified actresses for tiktok genZ. New one is glorified but I can mostly see scenes from the '84 extended cut copied and modernized. That being sad the atmosphere and the ship landings are cool. We really needed some slower paced atmospheric sci-fi after the MCU burn out. And maybe they can do properyly the weirding way with the new cgi.
@@riveraharper8166disagree on all fronts here. Especially on your comments about the actresses, who are very good in all the projects I’ve seen them in.
@@Beatmyguest001 Zendaya: Overrated. Has 1 face in all movies. Bored cow face. Prolly GenZ Tiktokers like her. +BLM activist Flo Poo: Overrated. Replacement of Scar-Jo? :DDDDDDDDDDDD She can't tie Scar-Jos shoe laces. Hired for sex scene in Oppenheimer? Tbh I'd have preferred a sex scene w Emily Blunt. But she can play a communist fine. As all activist actresses can do. Prolly GenZ Tiktokers like her.
@@Beatmyguest001I agree Zendaya is a good actress, but we haven't really seen her act in the new Dune. She's had like three lines. The 1984 version was really good and memorable.
As a huge Dune fan, my biggest issues with Lynch's Dune is how much it strays from the books (weirding modules, anything Harkonnen, raining on Arrakis, etc). But from a pure film making perspective, his Dune is still one of my favorite movies. It's super fun to watch.
It is not in book, but weirding modules look more cool than knife kung fu fighting in a desert. The 2021 version with zombie knives from wish look awful. I personally like the Baron. Raining on Arrakis is Book 2-4 in one minute.
@@eugenohankahard disagree. The idea that the Fremen fight with a blade made from the tooth of Shai-halud, the maker, gives it a very grounded and practical as well as religiously significant weapon and dueling device in a martial culture as the Fremen are depicted.
True, but the interest in the first one was more of a cult film, and the second one was a blockbuster. After the second, go back and compare to the first one. Actually the second one has created more interest in the first one.
@@anaibarangan4908 I was around when the first one came out. Way before CGI. That is all the reason to appreciate the first one. But you are correct. The new one rekindles the interest in the original. I say it's a win win.
The second one looks amateur in comparison. The composition of the shots are lacking impact and the vfx literally look copied and pasted.. compare that over the cliff city scene with the original and the shot of the soldiers… ridiculous how low the expectations have dropped
visuals better in 2021 but really good for 84. I like Chani better in 1984 (nothing against Zendaya). 84 Chani version fit a little closer to the books. Each version of Dune has its strengths. Only thing I didn't really like about the new one was the guild Heighliner. Doesn't make sense as a cargo vessel if its just going to open a wormhole.
@weaponizedaesthetics4677 It's really interesting to read all the reactions to the 1984 version, etiher you absolutely love it or you can't stand it. For me the costumes are one of the major reason I dislike it. I just can't take the Harkonnens seriously, they looks so goofy and campy to me.
And he did a fantastic job of it too! Since so much of the action will still be focused on Arrakis in Part 2, Rabban will get more to do, even though he ends up being more minor of a character in the movement of the story than his visage would suggest. Truly, he would get so much more screen time in a prequel series set just before the events of book 1 that centered on the occupation of Dune by the Harrkonens.
Its entirely because of part 2. In the book, Bautista's character is actually 2 different ones, but it doesn't matter. In the part of the book which will encompass part 2, there's TWO epic knife fights which Feyd-Rautha(Rabban) fights in, and it we're gonna get Bautista to portray at least one of them, if they don't get the time to do both.
@@jonl7855 You're mistaken. While Feyd was absent from Part One, Villeneuve said that was a deliberate choice. He's now been cast in Part Two with Austin Butler playing him, so his knife fights will still be his, not shifted to Rabban.
I love Dune but can we talk about how people in the imperial bureaucracy were supposed to just casually cooperate with a dude called “the Beast Rabban”
I'd say that isn't fair, but 84 did a better job of showing the slow blade entering the shield. The new version, especially when there was the real battle scenes, showed red even when the blades were fast. It looked all wrong.
He changed the story a lot and added elements that were not in the book. I just re-read Dune, it's one of my top favorite books. I actually have been thinking of writing a paper on the differences from Lynch's Screenplay and Frank Herbert's text. The talk Leto and Paul have before leaving Caladan is beautiful, but not in the book's text. It adds to the movie splendidly. "I'll miss the sea, but a person needs new experiences. They jar something deep inside, allowing them to grow. Without change, something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The Sleeper Must Awaken". The heart plugs are Lynch's creation, they are such a vile and disturbing yet perfect addition. The Barron's skin disease and the fact that he flies in his suspensors (vs them just helping support him) are Lynch's additions. In the book, Paul asks about the mice that hop in the desert and what they're called. That's how he gets the name Muad'Dib. In Lynch's film, he asks "what the mouse shadow on the second moon" is called. I love that the Reverend Mothers are bald. There is no mention of "folding space" in the book but it fits perfectly. There is no mention of Guildsmen living in Spice tanks or being disfigured until Dune Messiah. It is a perfectly Lynchian creation! The utterly vile looking, alien Guildsmen in his movie! The casting is Amazing and poignant. In the book, Chani says, "tell me of the waters of your homeworld, Usul". Movie: tell me of your homeworld, Usul. Frank Herbert writes of "the Weirding Way" in the book, but never extrapolates on it. Hence, there are no "weirding modules" in the text. Lynch's addition of weirding modules is genius. I could go on. In conclusion, Lynch's movie Dune from 1984 is delightful, ingenious and one of my top 10 favorite movies. It showcases the brilliance of his creativeness. I prefer it to his other films, since I am such a fan of the Dune series. But Twin Peaks and FWWM are also my Lynchian favorites. Don't diss Lynch's Dune without giving it a good go and I highly recommend reading the Dune Series! Father, The Sleeper Has Awakened! Also, think of the cinematic technology of the 80s. There was no CGI in 1984 and I think the special effects were groundbreaking. If only Jodorowsky had finished his version!!!
There is no denying what a technical achivement the '84 version is. Even much of the casting was great. And the main theme and score are pretty damn good, too.
I appreciate that she puts the emphasis on the first syllable of the name. Since the name's derived from Härkönen, a Finnish surname derived from our word for "bull"
I like the 84 movie. It's always been a guilty pleasure of mine. In fact in some ways it captures the books better than the new one (in how it looks for example)
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David lynch said it himself it was the production execs who wanted a 2:30 movie instead of 3 and no parts 1 and 2, just in one. Poor man had to work with what he had
I’m not sure that extra 30 minutes would’ve saved the movie - it was a mess, poor visuals, odd acting sometimes, complete disregard of almost all important side characters like Stilgar and complete change of plot and meaning behind it
The original story was about the fact that religious messiahs are usually not messiahs, and this all thing is manipulated and people should really beware of charismatic leaders. I guess that’s why the book is such a blast - it leaves some bitter sweet ending. Like good guys have won, but you’re not so sure it’s a good thing anymore and even if they’re really good guys. While in Lynch version this topic is completely erased and it’s pretty standard “revenge story” without any extra layers of meaning
@@Afdog Yup Lynch fans want to relieve him of any responsibility for how crap this movie is. But the truth is that he also flopped and even if he had no influence from the studio, He can never adapt Dune well. It just isnt within his capabilities and past his limit as a director. Not saying he's a poor director, obviously he's Great! But Lynch fans should get off his dick. He is limited in some regard. Oops, hope they dont attack me now for stating facts.
One his great failures in his own words. His regret was not having final cut privilege.
@Leslie Bannister just curious, but did you also read the 3 books after the first? Paul and his children do have prescience and his son mutates into a worm. Lynches creepy directing style captured the bizarreness of it all fairly well, special effects or not
@@Pete-jr4lw yep I read them and actually bizarre stuff started mainly from Leto and progressed further as I see it
First one was much more direct in this without all these partially incomprehensible speeches of Worm Leto. By meaning of the story I meant that in the book it’s literally was said that Paul isn’t even happy that he will win himself as he knows what is expected to become of the universe if he wins and even considers that maybe if he kills Jessica and himself it will be better option for humanity. And this topic is almost completely skipped in the movie. That’s what I was talking about.
Regarding Paul’s mad dreams - I actually prefer new version more as it more looked like visions of the future (and even confused ones, as first we think this is future and then we understand that this is only possible future), while Lynch’s complete surrealism maybe more conceptual, but it tells you nothing as you can’t understand what this means
Very impressive visuals for 1984 as well.
Chillingly beautiful.
They've SPICED it up a bit since
Yep, especially Sean Young
Space Odyssey 2001 was done 15 years before this, the visuals were terrible even for its time.
@@taqaqi Hell yeah but Sean Young now feels disturbingly like a US young woman tramping through Iraq. She worked better as Rachel in Blade Runner.
Doing a dune movie in 1984 is still an incredible feat
Except for the fact that it was complete garbage
@@wolverinehobbit1I’ve heard that only the third act is bad.
@@stephenking5852 The 3rd act is very bad, but the first act shoves exposition down your throat while going at an incredibly slow pace. The second acts biggest flaw is that it barely spends any time when Paul is with the Fremen. And the worm ride is very anticlimactic. Also it does exposition very poorly so that if you have no knowledge of Dune then you will have no idea what’s going on. The acting is terrible especially with Paul; who has little to no emotion. And mediocre acting for most everyone else. The only standout is Brad Dourif as Piter who was quite good.
@@wolverinehobbit1 I think the exposition is a bit of a meme though because it’s mostly internal whispering. South Park even did a parody of it before the 2021 movie came out.
@@stephenking5852 Yeah they just didn’t do a good job explaining anything. I knew someone who knew all of the lore and after watching the movie said “If I hadn’t read the books than I wouldn’t know what was going on.” Not only is the exposition poorly conveyed to new audiences, but if you have read the books then the exposition is extremely tedious and painful to sit through.
I love how the new Dune pays a lot of Homage to the 1984 Film. There is details that aren't found in the Books but found in the 1984 Film. The Director of the New Film is a David Lynch Fan.
actually quite impressive visuals for the time
Not really
Nah man, this movie was released year after return of the jedi
Even by that time the visuals were pretty mediocre
@@Afdog The actresses though. Francesca Annis's Lady Jessica and Virginia Madsen's Princess Irulan... I'm sorry to say this, they are far more attractive and regal looking than the 2021 & 2023 cast.
@@Factboy12 beauty is subjectional mate, I prefer new Jessica and can’t say anything about Irulan until I see her in the movie (doesn’t mean old dune versions are unattractive or something) acting was still a bit weird for me due to Lynch direction with odd repeatings of the lines, etc. He is very theatrical, I’m not sure this suits dune - it has enough symbolism without extra stuff from the director
@@Factboy12I agree.
Man I love the 1984 film. Flaws and all.
The 84's actually doesn't look so bad when you cut it like this.
It's not the edit, it's the score
It’s never bad. It’s amazing.
@@MagneticDonutthe score of the 1984 movie is absolutely brilliant.
Truly epic and spiritual. A true epic adventure
It was overcriticised.
It was Martha Lucas - in the editing room- who saved A New Hope.
Lynch had no Martha Lucas.
84s dune will always have a special place in my heart. The new dune holds up closer to the book and have Hans Zimmers music was a lock for me. It was so good.
I blend all three adaptations when I read the book
Crazy how differently people can interpret the same material
Indeed - it’s a brilliant example of how much a director and team can transform the same story
Frank Herbet was there for the filming of the first movie, and he liked it. So... I mean... I'd say it's the more accurate version.
@@jasonsgroovemachineit's not the most accurate 😂. Dune 2021 was way more accurate than dune 1984
@@jasonsgroovemachineNo it's not, the original Dune is only 60-75% accurate, just to mention the worst chance in the movie of 1984: Paul is a Messiah with supernatural abilities who is in fact the savior of Arrakis, the direct opposite of the book. Actually, something that F. Herbert mentioned at the time: Paul is not a hero or Messiah, he's a lie built to control the Fremen and the Galaxie.
@@andresramirez13 I thought Paul's "bad guy" arc takes place after what the recent movie shows.
I loved 84 film, it felt so ahead of its time
Same
Exacto!!!!
abso-lutely
Me too!!!
Foreal!
Honestly, it was 1000 times more difficult in 1984.
Yes, it was quite an achievement.
Literally 1984
Villeneuve is 1000 times the director though
It was mostly how to, because it was only practical effects
1000 times more generic. Queue some dumb Hans Zimmer trash in your brain when you read that bud.@@jarlsterra
Both are amazing. Villeneuve's vision and ressources are incredible, but Lynch did something completely crazy and legendary to this day
I loved the 1984 production.
Me to especially Spicediver 4K 3h edit
The long version of the '84 movie is still awesome to this day.
Yuo right.. 🥰👍❤
It is Always broadcasted during new year night in Italy and became a tradition to Watch it Stoned as fuck or drunk
@@digge2210Niceee.
The Spicediver Fan Edit/Cut is pretty good.
@@johnmartinez7847 It's the go-to cut at this point for sure!
Love love love the 2021 version, but will always have a soft spot for David Lynch's version. I know it was not what he had envisioned, but still always worth a look.
I haven't seen either of these versions, only the miniseries starring William Hurt as Duke Atreides. How does it compare to these?
@EmpiricalPragmatist you're only about 5 or 6 hours from having your answer! 😉. But on a serious note, i think the miniseries went into more depth on everything but i dont remember them well and thats really saying something itself. The movies take you somewhere you won't forget anytime soon
Within the constraints he had to work in,lynch did an amazing job.
Wow great edit! Makes me think Lynch's was better than I remember.
It was a fresh take on sci-fi at the time with all the Star Wars and Star Track popularity.
David Lynch created an imperfect classic film.
lynch did not edit the original. he filmed it, then the studio spat in his face and gave it to someone else to edit. he was so angry at this that he asked to remove his name from it entirely.
It’s my favourite move of all time
84 has always been such an underrated film.
It’s just crazy the difference music can make for a movie. Such great music
The original was amazing, i watched it as a kid and my mind was blown. I loved the visuals and later in life the dune RTS game enabled me to get into it even more. I was excited to see a modern take on it, and while i liked it i still prefer the original. One thing i did enjoy in the new one was seeing more sardukar stuff, loved the chant scene
Everyone's points regarding the original movie are valid. Regardless, the newest dune movies are by far the greatest articles of cinema in many years. Thank you Denis Villanueva and the whole team + cast behind such masterpieces!
Dune '84 isn't so bad. There were scenes which look really good
she was never bad, she was always beautiful, better than this crap from the 20s
The 1984 version is a masterpiece (the full uncut 4 hours)
The 84 version is fantastic.
there were emotion in it
Bien meilleure. Transcendant, etonnant, captivant.
Ce remake est décevant.
Meme Paul est decevant.
@@StephaneFraisse As if there isn’t emotion in the new superior version.
@@StephaneFraisse As if there isn’t emotion in the new superior version.
@@spacetofu19not as much actually. Denis has a way of undercutting the emotion in some of his films. It's cause he lingers too long on his subjects.
Dune 84 is amazing
It is
It is my favorite...always will be. I watched part one of this new version.....I fell asleep on it.....
@@andrewpetik2034bro what
@@andrewpetik2034I literally threw up the food I was eating, and died from cringe while watching the 84 version.
Can’t say I liked what the new second one changed, is the original accurate to the books?
Can we just take a minute to appreciate the soundtrack of this movie? I love how it adds to the dark atmosphere in this movie.
Paul Smiths creepy little smirks as the Beast Rabban sold the madness of the character while Bautista sells his strength.
Batista sells both. He executes well the vibe of someone completely unhinged.
RAAAAAAAAAAATS
Idk, Bautista acted quite a madman during the two films.
it was the 1984 version's 40th anniversary this past weekend, Feb 18th and 19th, and Fathom Events brought it back to theaters. I wasn't even born in 1984, so that was my first time seeing the movie in theaters, third time in total. Lot of sound effects in the 1984 version will sound cheap on a normal screen and speakers, but sounds excellent in theaters, or theaters quality speakers
man 84' looks Amazing !
Thanks pal- it’s a treat for the eyes
I love the costumes from the 84 version sooo much more!
Dam- best presentation of dune'84 I've seen.
Good job!
Thanks for saying so. Am astonished by the support of 84. Subscribe as am making a series about both moves
84 is still my favorite, just feels so mystical and fantastical
Agreed. The feel of Lynchs is so different to the new ones. Love them all but Lynch's one still tops my list
1984 Stillsuits looked awesome. And It had it all explained and shown, like Navigators and the Emperor. The Highliners worked like in the book.
Yeah one thing I wish they went over in Dune ‘21-24 is how the heighliners work
Not really. In the book, the Navigators are just that: navigators. They calculate the trajectory of the heighliners which are propelled by the Holtzman generator. The generator is folding space, not the Navigators.
@@Xerxes2005 Exactly, how are people who have not read the book, going to understand that.
I know the Holtzman Folds space, and the Steersman guides its path.
But on the 2021 film, It shows them as a Tunnel, which is not accurate at all.
They travel a route from system to system, and some ships dock, till they reach their stop. Loading and unloading is then done, before the it travels to the next system.
Unless they are hired for a specific job like forces movement etc.
They would not have a High liner in 2 systems at once.
@@carljhirst They are seen moving though, so it's hard to see them simply as portals. And the Navigators are still said to be searching a safe path. Anyhow, my main problem with Villeneuve's movie about the Spacing Guild is that they don't seem involved enough. We're suppose to see them at the end of the movie, since Paul needs their support if he wants to launch his Jihad. If the Guild does not recognize him, how could Paul send his troops to fight rebel houses? And yet, we see them leaving right away...
@@Xerxes2005 The Prequel Books were awesome. Shows Guerny going around some of his old smuggler friends to find spice stores on board their ships.
This was to help a poisoned Steersman in his tank, so they could get back to the Imperium Space.
Also had the New High liners being built in a giant hanger on Ix. Leto watched them bring in the Navigator to Fold it out of the hanger.
2 Brothers from Ix, 1 became a Navigator, the other stayed on Ix to fight the Tleilaxu, who were trying to make a New spice in Axolotl tanks ( Tleilaxu Womens mutant Wombs. Or any Woman in fact. As they captured a Bene woman and she managed to make some super spice mix that flipped their top scientist out).
I'd love to see him do those prequels. That explain a lot in detail. We can only hope.
He should've shown a Steersman at least.
Explained more on the Guild. As getting their backing was key.
1984 was my personal favorite dune movie even though it does have its flaws
My God that movie is terrible. Just terrible. So much inner monolog.
@@skippychurch2965
The Denis Villeneuve Dune movies really is dull despite more advanced film technology to its benefit .... 1984's Dune is better because it retains the mystical appeal of the characters and the industrial planets ...
@@88feji and how it rains at the end, thus ficking up the entire lore of the universe. Listen, you're entitled to like a terrible movie. Just don't expect others to like it
@@88feji Dull is certainly one of the words of all time to describe the new movies….lol. They are far and away more mind blowing and creative than the 1984 movie.
For film shot in 1984 they did they thing! It still holds up!
I love how atmospheric the 84 version is till this day. I love how the story is told in the modern version. they’re both great
84 Dune is dune on an acid trip. It's brilliant in its own right, but I am loving the modern Dune also for sure.
1980s version was so ambitious and creative, and they managed to tell the story better. Kudos to the creators!
I like em both. There's certain things David Lynch got right like the Harkonnens having red hair, The Baron's excessive monologuing. It showed the connection to Jessica being a Harkonnen that you'd have to be a cinephile to notice if you had not read the book.
Agree with what you say but after the second movie, Harkonnen portrayal was way better. Accurate? Probably not. But made for a way better movie.
In novels, harkonnens are not ginger.
@@supahninjadawg dude, I saw both and the newer movie nailed it.
Wow the 84 looks wonderful, editing and music has amazing power
The story telling in the 1984 version was unmatched
but
the visuals in the 2021 version are unmatched!
storytelling in 1984 was not that good either. Lynch made the movie. he made Paul a hero and added the ridiculous rain in the end. wtf 😂
Dune 1984 is my favourite movie of all time.
Yikes. You should watch more movies
@@mikechivyliterally💀
Mine too
Father! Father the sleeper has awakened....
@@mikechivy Oh come on…he didn’t say Dune 84 was the greatest film of all time, he said it was his favorite film. Big difference between the two.
I don't care what anyone says, Dune 1984 still holds up in my opinion.
😂
Facts, it's a classic!
@@Chitownbrotha30 of course it is a classic.
But just because it's a classic doesn't mean it will always be the better film.
You can also accept that the new films are very, very good
The new version looks dull and plain completely to the 84 one😮
The new version baddies are just not as nasty as those in the original.
The costumes are not as good as well
The best reboots of recent years are the Star Trek films and the brilliant Battle Star Galactica 👍🏾
I absolutely love both the 1984 version and these two new ones equally. I think they are both awesome.
Man, that was really really cool what you did there. Thank you.
You're welcome 😅
David Lynch was one of the greatest artists of several generations and he gave everything he had on Dune and did it well. I remember my parents and my friends parents watching this when it came out on vhs and it was way more influential than any of the contemporary crap we see now!!
I would watch a modern edit of Lynch's dune. I love the aesthetic of the movie. Imagine what he could have done with midern tools.
imagine if he had been allowed to edit the original 1984 movie in the first place.
he filmed it then they gave it to someone else to edit. total disrespect to a great director.
Or even to not stratch a book like dune in a single movie.
The theatrical cut is sadly the ONY official Lynch approved cut even if he could not make it himself. He felt the 3 hour TV Cut was absolutely horrible and refused to have his name in the titles, hence the TV cut says "Directed by Alan Smithee". I would LOVE to see how an actual Directors Cut by David Lynch would look like if he would be given the chance but to this day he still refuses to touch Dune again. They really broke him with it back then. But i think it's important for him to find his peace with it and face it once more to ACTUALLY finally have HIS version.
@@KRAFTWERK2K6 He has said many times there is no "his" version. The film he shot was predicated on that 2.5 hour limit. There is more "stuff" but there is no significantly longer film that embodies his full vision because he never shot it.
@@scottwillie6389 I think with A.I. image & video generation as well as Deepfake technology for face-swaps of actors, it should be possible to simulate the scenes he wanted to shoot in a way he wanted and making this a 2 part thing. I just doubt he'll get the funding and it seems nothing from his side would actually consider doing this. But damn... i would love to see this actually happening. So he can finally make this HIS movie. I would want this so much for him.
The actor who played 84' Rabban nailed the creepy Uncle look 💀
Both are extraordinary 🤩
There is an incredible fan cut of the 1984 movie on TH-cam somewhere. It is very long but amazing!
I've watched both .. Their still my favorite movie's definitely top 10.
Dune 84 is fantastic. I saw it at the cinema at the time. Several times since. It has a horror, a sense of the grotesque that this newer version lacks. Don't understand the hate the earlier film gets at all.
Davis Lynch's dune version of spicediver it's a masterpiece
I am watching it now
I still love the Lynch version. I wish the studio nerds would have let him cook.
I enjoyed this. I would watch many more comparisons like this. Even the entire 84 compared to today's versions. Thanks.
Суупер!. Сравнение просто огонь!. Пол Атридес в разных исполнениях, и Чани от разных, очень разных актрис.. 😊😊❤❤ Это вдохновляет, заряжает, нравится, когда действительно достойную книгу решают экранизировать и не единожды.. Дени Вильнёв конечно освежил историю, сюжет Ф. Герберта, а Дэвид Линч познакомил зрителя с ним впервые и это было незабываемо.. Считается, что фильм 80х многое пропустил, многое переиначил, но вот посмотрев вот этот ролик, мы видим, что как раз первая версия была очень правдива и близка к оригиналу..❤❤ Актёры отлично передали характеры и нравы своих героев, чего стоит только вот этот антигерой с лукавой масляной улыбкой на слащавом лице, а герцог Лето стал символом мужества , мудрости и человеколюбия для многих поколений зрителей..🤩😍🥰 Актёр сыгравший В. Харконнена справился с ролью блестяще , превосходно. Ещё никогда не видела настолько безбожного, бесчеловечного, испорченного и циничного антигероя.. 👏👏❤❤
1984 года конечно намного лучше как в итоге оказалось) и актеры намного лучше.
@@simongordeziani3791 👍 Да точно и формат очень подходящий полный метр на два - три часа. Для книги маловато, но для основных моментов , событий и ярких образов главных героев самое то.. Многие осуждают тогдашнюю манеру режиссёра комкать времена и события. А сегодня мы видим, что это было наилучшим решением авторов фильма, гениальным приёмом, методом, чтобы привлечь зрителя и не утомить его скучным повествованием.. 😊😊❤❤
Отличный отзыв, показывает за что мы любим первую версию, ее достоинства , плюсы, каст и мастерство актеров вкупе с задумкой режиссера.. 😊😊❤❤
@@simongordeziani3791😊😊❤❤ Здесь многие зарубежные зрители пишут что разочарованы новой экранизацией книги Фрэнка Герберта.. Новый фильм не видела, всё собираюсь посмотреть, но трейлеры меня впечатлили.. И актёры очень гармонично вписались в образы.. Мне нравятся Оскар Айзек и Ребекка Фергюсон в роли супругов Атридесов , Тимоти Шаламет талантлив и смог войти в роль Пола очень уверенно, мне кажется.. Конечно версия 84 года компактная и для лёгкого понимания , восприятия сюжета создатели фильма сделали всё возможное , этим он и привлекает зрителя, ну и яркими, рельефными образами конечно.. В этом смысле с актёрами кинофильма Линча не сможет сравниться никто..
David Lynch was just ahead of his time. Back then absolutely nobody wanted to do multiple movies for a book adaptation. They forced him to rewrite was originally planned to be three movies into one.
Dune 84 was amazing!!
It gets an undeserved bad rap. In SOME ways it was better. Still love the new one of course.
I love it also. IMO, the 1984 female cast is mostly better looking than the one we have now (2021 & 2023).
@@Factboy12Agreed. Zendaya is not as pretty as Sean Young; Florence is definitely more attractive than Zendaya but falls short of 1984 Virginia Madsen. Francesca Annis and 21/24 Jessica are a toss-up. Just my opinion 🤷🏻♀️
@@triphophoney2981 Here are my favorites after watching Part 2 (2024) :
Paul Atreides = Both versions are good.
Lady Jessica = 1984.
Duke Leto = Both versions are good.
Duncan Idaho = 2021.
Chani = 1984.
Stilgar = Both versions are good.
Gurney Halleck = 2024.
Thufir Hawat = 1984.
Dr. Yueh = 2021.
Princess Irulan = 1984.
Emperor Shaddam = 2024.
Baron Harkonnen = 2024.
Glossu Rabban = 2024.
Feyd-Rautha = 2024.
@@Factboy12 I agree with virtually everything on your list except for Baron Harkkonen. The 1984 version was far more revolting than Stellan. But maybe I'm biased because I was 11 when the Lynch version came out, so far more impressionable. 😆
I love so much the respect I see now for Dune 1984, instead of mockery or criticism. The movie has its flaws, but for 1984 I believe was a pretty neat adaptation
Lynch's version was great!
Love both dunes, for the 80 s this was pretty well done
The 84 looks good almost 40 years later.
I'm sorry to say this, but I think that most of the 1984 cast is almost has a good-looking has the 2021 & 2023 cast.
Especially for some of the women. Francesca Annis's Lady Jessica and Virginia Madsen's Princess Irulan.
Francesca Annis was gorgeous. She really looked like a witch.
@@Factboy12 I am not sorry. Sean Young > Zendaya, Virginia Madsen > Florence P.
@@riveraharper8166 I guess I shouldn't be sorry as well then. I do completely agree though, Sean Young is more beautiful than Zendaya... but, don't you think Zendaya is a more appropriate choice for a desert planet character ? I mean, Sean Young was as pale as a ghost.
As for Princess Irulan. OMG ! Virginia Madsen is FAR more beautiful and REGAL looking than Florence Pugh.
There were rumors that Anya Taylor-Joy auditioned for the role of Princess Irulan. She would've been a much better choice than Pugh. Taylor-Joy can pull-off the regal look.
@@Factboy12 Anya Taylor-Joy should have been way better by appeal. Not to mention she's slowly growing to a great actress.
Well I give you that pale thing. They should use some fake tanner then. :P
@@riveraharper8166yeah but with her big eyes, when they shine blue from spice it would probably blind the audience.
Really shows how much better the original truly is. Remarkable.
Fuck I need to watch The old movie
Thank God I saw the 1984 version first.
If DUNE 84 had stopped when DUNE 21 did it would have probably been remembered as one of the greatest films.
Dune 21 will NEVER best the dark, brooding beauty of Dune84!!!!!
I'll take 1984 Chani. Sean Young was gorgeous.
I think that if i was 30 years younger, id feel the same from zendaya as i did from Sean. Both have that mysterious smoldering look achieved with less words than more. But now im 50 years old and immune to such things. Would be interesting to hear what someone much younger took from the scenes with chani
@@Pete-jr4lwzendaya hot as hell
I love Sean Young because I’m a huge Blade Runner fan but I actually think Zendaya looks more believable as Chani. She’s not as short as described in the book but she has that sort of willowy elfin quality whilst also looking grounded.
Zendaya is a more novel accurate interpretation of Chani. She also plays the role better as an actress. As far as who's more attractive, thats super subjective so no point in discussing it
@@prolastmedia6171 How can you say Zendaya has portrayed Chani better when she has had, what, three lines??
I'm hooked on all this clip.
Aunque en 1984 tenían una tecnología limitada me quedo con la de ese año mil veces el guión más conectado entre los personajes
Dune 84 is weird, wonderful, and cheesy in all the best ways. Lynch was given an impossible task snd he turned a movie out that you can watch and enjoy.
84 Harkonnens were insane.
Yesh thats one thing i didnt like in the new one, they toned down the harkonens so much, especially the baron, instead of the psychotic, violent, murderers, indulgent in all facets of life, they are now just slightly naughty 😅
@@crazysithslave I have several more reasons.
Timothy doesn't look like a guy who fit for a (fake)messiah. At least I can picture Kyle MacLachlan to defeat Sting...
In fact I am unsure he can deferat his own granny.
Zendaya and Flo Po are some glorified actresses for tiktok genZ.
New one is glorified but I can mostly see scenes from the '84 extended cut copied and modernized.
That being sad the atmosphere and the ship landings are cool. We really needed some slower paced atmospheric sci-fi after the MCU burn out.
And maybe they can do properyly the weirding way with the new cgi.
@@riveraharper8166disagree on all fronts here. Especially on your comments about the actresses, who are very good in all the projects I’ve seen them in.
@@Beatmyguest001 Zendaya: Overrated. Has 1 face in all movies. Bored cow face.
Prolly GenZ Tiktokers like her.
+BLM activist
Flo Poo: Overrated. Replacement of Scar-Jo? :DDDDDDDDDDDD
She can't tie Scar-Jos shoe laces.
Hired for sex scene in Oppenheimer? Tbh I'd have preferred a sex scene w Emily Blunt. But she can play a communist fine.
As all activist actresses can do.
Prolly GenZ Tiktokers like her.
@@Beatmyguest001I agree Zendaya is a good actress, but we haven't really seen her act in the new Dune. She's had like three lines.
The 1984 version was really good and memorable.
Toto's main theme still absolutely slaps.
Though Zimmer's sure paints a picture with sound.
Loving the old masks
don‘t know why but the wide shots of spaceships and factories look so much better in the 84‘s version
Give me the 1984 version anytime and twice on Sundays
Why?
Not even the man who made it agrees with you.
What is it about the original you think is better?
@@NeilLewis77people will stick with a crappier version because it’s the one they grew up with. It’s a hard bias to shake for many.
@@NeilLewis77 STING! And the Baron looked way more gruesome.
The lynch is SO CLEARLY the winner here. Bottom half looks like pure video game cut scenes. Still love Denis though
As a huge Dune fan, my biggest issues with Lynch's Dune is how much it strays from the books (weirding modules, anything Harkonnen, raining on Arrakis, etc). But from a pure film making perspective, his Dune is still one of my favorite movies. It's super fun to watch.
It is not in book, but weirding modules look more cool than knife kung fu fighting in a desert. The 2021 version with zombie knives from wish look awful. I personally like the Baron. Raining on Arrakis is Book 2-4 in one minute.
la del 84 tiene alma. la versión nueva solo es aburrida.
Wait I have no memory of it raining on arrakis in the 84 version (?!)
@@eugenohanka And let's not forget the cat milking!
@@eugenohankahard disagree. The idea that the Fremen fight with a blade made from the tooth of Shai-halud, the maker, gives it a very grounded and practical as well as religiously significant weapon and dueling device in a martial culture as the Fremen are depicted.
Tbf regardless of reception of Dune 1984, the production design & costume is really really impressive
Both movies are works of art really.
True, but the interest in the first one was more of a cult film, and the second one was a blockbuster. After the second, go back and compare to the first one. Actually the second one has created more interest in the first one.
@@anaibarangan4908 I was around when the first one came out. Way before CGI. That is all the reason to appreciate the first one. But you are correct. The new one rekindles the interest in the original. I say it's a win win.
The second one looks amateur in comparison. The composition of the shots are lacking impact and the vfx literally look copied and pasted.. compare that over the cliff city scene with the original and the shot of the soldiers… ridiculous how low the expectations have dropped
@codeninja100 lol what?
@@jakel9688 yeah.
Both movies were beautiful
84 actress was really beautiful...yo🤞
Finkle is Einhorn
@@saneman7177😂
Oddly enough she was in Blade Runner as well. Man did I have a crush on her
@@sunofpeter2Rachel?
@@texabara .yeah I think that was the character, the replicant he falls in love with.
Rabban in ‘21: 😒
Rabban in ‘84: 😏
visuals better in 2021 but really good for 84. I like Chani better in 1984 (nothing against Zendaya). 84 Chani version fit a little closer to the books. Each version of Dune has its strengths. Only thing I didn't really like about the new one was the guild Heighliner. Doesn't make sense as a cargo vessel if its just going to open a wormhole.
I loved the 84' costumes, especially those of the Harkonnen
@weaponizedaesthetics4677
It's really interesting to read all the reactions to the 1984 version, etiher you absolutely love it or you can't stand it.
For me the costumes are one of the major reason I dislike it. I just can't take the Harkonnens seriously, they looks so goofy and campy to me.
I still don't get over the fact they casted Dave Bautista, gave him like three lines and let him just kinda walk around and look around angrily. 😂
That's the character, though. He's a mindless brute, but the baron has uses for even such people in his plans
And he did a fantastic job of it too! Since so much of the action will still be focused on Arrakis in Part 2, Rabban will get more to do, even though he ends up being more minor of a character in the movement of the story than his visage would suggest. Truly, he would get so much more screen time in a prequel series set just before the events of book 1 that centered on the occupation of Dune by the Harrkonens.
Its entirely because of part 2. In the book, Bautista's character is actually 2 different ones, but it doesn't matter.
In the part of the book which will encompass part 2, there's TWO epic knife fights which Feyd-Rautha(Rabban) fights in, and it we're gonna get Bautista to portray at least one of them, if they don't get the time to do both.
Feyd is in part 2, played by Austin Butler@@jonl7855
@@jonl7855 You're mistaken. While Feyd was absent from Part One, Villeneuve said that was a deliberate choice. He's now been cast in Part Two with Austin Butler playing him, so his knife fights will still be his, not shifted to Rabban.
Zendaya's performance made Sean Youngs look like it deserved an oscar
Lynch did a better job with a 10.000x smaller budget. Dune 2021 is not bad, but too commercial. Dune 84 can be outsated but it has a very strong touch
84' looks sick
1984 still rules
I love Dune but can we talk about how people in the imperial bureaucracy were supposed to just casually cooperate with a dude called “the Beast Rabban”
Now do one to compare the Holtzman Shields between the two.
Cruel! Don't remind us.. haha
It made the cardboard boxes my brother and i used feel so impractical...sigh
I'd say that isn't fair, but 84 did a better job of showing the slow blade entering the shield. The new version, especially when there was the real battle scenes, showed red even when the blades were fast. It looked all wrong.
Jajajaj que maldad
Who controls the editing, controls the movie.
Hah, Nice line - will work that in my full length video
David Lynch's version is a masterpiece.
Exactement!
Nop
He changed the story a lot and added elements that were not in the book. I just re-read Dune, it's one of my top favorite books. I actually have been thinking of writing a paper on the differences from Lynch's Screenplay and Frank Herbert's text. The talk Leto and Paul have before leaving Caladan is beautiful, but not in the book's text. It adds to the movie splendidly. "I'll miss the sea, but a person needs new experiences. They jar something deep inside, allowing them to grow. Without change, something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The Sleeper Must Awaken". The heart plugs are Lynch's creation, they are such a vile and disturbing yet perfect addition. The Barron's skin disease and the fact that he flies in his suspensors (vs them just helping support him) are Lynch's additions. In the book, Paul asks about the mice that hop in the desert and what they're called. That's how he gets the name Muad'Dib. In Lynch's film, he asks "what the mouse shadow on the second moon" is called. I love that the Reverend Mothers are bald. There is no mention of "folding space" in the book but it fits perfectly. There is no mention of Guildsmen living in Spice tanks or being disfigured until Dune Messiah. It is a perfectly Lynchian creation! The utterly vile looking, alien Guildsmen in his movie! The casting is Amazing and poignant. In the book, Chani says, "tell me of the waters of your homeworld, Usul". Movie: tell me of your homeworld, Usul. Frank Herbert writes of "the Weirding Way" in the book, but never extrapolates on it. Hence, there are no "weirding modules" in the text. Lynch's addition of weirding modules is genius. I could go on. In conclusion, Lynch's movie Dune from 1984 is delightful, ingenious and one of my top 10 favorite movies. It showcases the brilliance of his creativeness. I prefer it to his other films, since I am such a fan of the Dune series. But Twin Peaks and FWWM are also my Lynchian favorites. Don't diss Lynch's Dune without giving it a good go and I highly recommend reading the Dune Series! Father, The Sleeper Has Awakened! Also, think of the cinematic technology of the 80s. There was no CGI in 1984 and I think the special effects were groundbreaking. If only Jodorowsky had finished his version!!!
The absolute SMUG on that Harkonnen is almost intoxicating! 🤣 Dude loves what he does and it shows!
Honestly, they're both amazing.
There is no denying what a technical achivement the '84 version is. Even much of the casting was great. And the main theme and score are pretty damn good, too.
I appreciate that she puts the emphasis on the first syllable of the name. Since the name's derived from Härkönen, a Finnish surname derived from our word for "bull"
Yes but the writer of the Dune Frank Herbert thought the name was russian,,,,
there is not a single character that the new dune has a better actor for. 84 Dune is better in every single way.
I like the 84 movie. It's always been a guilty pleasure of mine. In fact in some ways it captures the books better than the new one (in how it looks for example)
Still shows how much more colorful the ‘84 is than the mausoleum shoot of ‘21.