Yes, obviously cheating! Well atleast a reaction where someone has a little clue of what we are doing :p Im gonna go over some things (and theres some things that are very subtle and too much to go over now) Sadly theres no POV for broken, since the last "performance update" doesnt work too well with his PC. Technically, besides the first room and maybe fast chems, i would consider everything glitchless. But yea compared to my usual runs i dont call it "glitchless" aswell because of that For the first room going in damaged for the energized (backpack) OC. Yes i do use a Crosshair built into my monitor Minitank 80%haz pro+2 disrupt mods. the Hive drop is not for faraday, just for the direct oc (since broken is running 100% Disrupt aswell). You dont have to actually kill the jammer to keep going, but it just will emp you forever really. The transition, the yellow rolls are actually skill haste for getting the foam back before roof. Its a very scuffed room because of the builds we run in the room before, and yes the dog lost us 2 seconds but youre welcome to do it faster and show it to us❤ For Roof, brokens death was not intentional actually (it was even a timeloss). The hotswap is just away from the 6skill tier and oxy, because with an actual fast roof the enemies are dead right as oc runs out and i cant jump up :p Boss is always toxic since a few ads usually push him and thats kinda shitty. It is kind of the standard 4man strat to oxy boss but its very toxic in duos. usually youd want to kill the boss later since the respawns trigger after 5 kills, but at the same time boss loves to run away and hide (and broken was pushed hard so i killed him first in this run) The final run was 6:42 by Mission Ending, 6:44 by leaderboard (i show it in the Video aswell) so thats why it is considered a 6:44 for me!
A good thing to remember in youtube is that you can jump to the previous/next frame by using , and . Just a handy thing to remember. Good to have you back :D
23:43 is there any benefit to using st elmos scope? I see a few people do it, but it doesn't zoom AT ALL, and can't works out why they would even do it.
It allows you to corner peek. While scoped and behind the crusader/striker shield if you scope in you can ads at a corner/piece of cover and not be shot at
Toasty does not have to cheat. I've watched almost every one of his videos. He literally memorizes every detail of whatever he runs. His reaction time and situational awareness is second to none. At the end, Broken is killing the spawn door. I do this with my Eclipse build. Flood the door and they all die before they get out into the open. I've been doing that for a while. Oh I see at the end you realized it. lol
@DoD-Regnbue when doing videos like this, when you are trying to capture precise moments within a video, when you pause a YT Video, you have 2 additional keyboard commands at your disposal - , and . , rewinds the video by 1 frame and . advances the video by one frame also, you dont have to use your mouse for video control - Arrow keys advance or rewind by 10 seconds, Space Bar = Pause/Resume. There are much easier ways to control a YT Video. Hope this helps
In the first part, just run to the end line and second spawn doesn't show. no need to kill anyone. I've done the last part way to kill the door spawn but they are masters of this, damn they are fast ! And also do you know if it's possible that if you run past enemies, some of them just disappear at certain points??
Great run by TOASTY and BROKEN. its like academy award nomi ation performance for DIv2 😅😅😅. Thank you DOD for this , doing a great job for still existing Div 2 community. Love and respect from NZ . 3.40 am in the morning cant sleep . Cheers
Its non sense, complain just to complain.. Its a just point of reference, it doesn't ad damage, it doesn't reduce incoming damage, it doesn't auto aim.. Heck i think that the game it self should have it built-in.
Correct me if I get something wrong, but if you use some external help, then that's cheating, ain't it? If you did this in Counter Strike 2 tournaments, you would definitely get disqualified and banned.
@Penitten I get your point, to me it's insignificant, especially in PvE but it's just my opinion. Seeing that some people take 1 or 2 hours to finish Legendary and seeing what these guys accomplish, i think that it's picking on small detail.
@@Penitten have you ever played fortnite, alot of the best players use custom crosshairs and have for years, the devs allow it, its not cheating. also if u really want u can take a marker and draw a crosshair on to your screen, its not cheating
I was cool with the run based on knowing you guys and the fact it wasn’t titled glitch less. I did get educated by this video because I don’t know how speed running works. Great run!!
Speed runners tend to be careful when it comes to declaring something as Any% or Glitchless. I am not too clued into the specifics of it, Toastey knows alot more about it than me. Perhaps asking him to do a Glitchless Capital would be good, that way you can see the difference.
I saw toastys video yesterday and i had no clue about anything going on bc i have total of 70 hours in the game and i found it really cool that he did it do fast idk how hes "cheating" lol
@ idk couldn’t tell you cause when you run passed then with a decoy after the decoy pops they start following you lol and they mad!!! Hahaha. But so I do have a question. Idk if I’m gonna use it but the 3rd party dot. We all agree it’s not cheating in pve. But what about PVP. Cause I feel like I’m at a huge disadvantage to dot users but after 6 years in this game I more or less know where my gun is without a dot.
Wow. I really miss analysis vids. Came from WZ world where there were WZ analysis videos like this. Please keep this up, I learn so much. Great to have you back!
I love watching division 2 players do this one thing cause it makes them look dumb. Not to take away from the bad ass job toasty did in this run, BIG GGs btw to these two...but running with a pistol in your hand DOES NOT increase your run speed in division 2 lmao. this makes me laugh everytime I see someone do this lmao.
If you play the game you are cheating. I mean isn't everything cheating? There are people avoiding the 5x event because they actually equate it to cheating. We really need a cure for stupidity. I'm sure I'll be dead and gone though before that happens.
Why do ppl even care if they cheated or not? Its not like they got some insane reward or power advantage from a speedrun. Even when leagues had leaderboards ppl were cheating but it didn't matter as there was no reward for it like there was in div 1 with the masks and points brackets.
I think cheating is using any 3rd party software to gain advantage, so i would argue Crosshair X is cheating to a degree as it directly changes the gameplay to your advantage, but any exploits, bugs or anything in game that's possible normally isn't cheating.
You can say its not cheating all you want but using things outside of the game to help you in a game that doesnt use it is clearly cheating. If you use it and i dont then you have an advantage over me, thats clearly cheating. Sorry not sorry. Not saying this wasnt amazing cause it was Amazing!
It is not against TOS, or EULA, as stated above, a lot of modern monitors have this as a feature built in. In short, you are just no using it by choice, which further confirms it is not cheating.
@@saintanubis6177 3rd party software that directly influences the game or the games code is against TOS and EULA. If you wanted to do some real cave man tech, you can measure your screen, and draw a little dot in the centre with permant marker. Just to show where centre screen is. No one can stop you doing this, when at home, recording fottage, no one will be able to tell if you did this or not and it does not directly influence your play. Hense, not against TOS or EULA. Also, all this asside, I am only assuming they are running this. I actually have no idea if they are. I am not sure if you have ever watched Rise play, he actually does not do this, and he pulls shots like that off all the time.
@DodRegnbue yea I heard you say they may not have it in the beginning of the video. I'm just thinking when devs actually bring mods into a game they shut off all trophies and achievements. Yea you're right noone will know if you draw a dot on your screen, lol. Not trying to hate on or argue, these guys are amazing.
@@saintanubis6177 All good my guy. Not trying to berate or anything. Just explain. Also, just to expand, there are many catagories of Speed runs as well. This comes under "Any%" which means full use of Glitchess, exploits, skips ect are allowed. You also have Glitchless, which obviously, the aforementioned "things" are not allowed, I think, things like Crosshair X are also not allowed. Toastey tends to be pretty good with what he does declaring the appropriate things as Any% or Glitchless.
Using broken game mechanics is defined as cheating. It doesn’t matter that the “divisions speed runners” aka council of exploiters says it’s not. It’s pretty simple, play the game without exploits and prove you really are as good as you claim, otherwise you are no different than the Chinese player who ran 100mph through the mission in 1 minute, you both exploited the game.
@@gnarlyraccoon32 It most certainly is cheating. Exploiting game mechanics is cheating. It’s even in the terms of service. They’re cheaters, deal with it.
We clear this missing in like 8 minutes just with Strikers . . . . . And 3rd part software is only against TOS and EULA if it interfers with the game or it's code. There is literally nothing stopping you from putting a dot in the middle of your screen with a marker . . . . This is not cheating.
Yes, obviously cheating!
Well atleast a reaction where someone has a little clue of what we are doing :p
Im gonna go over some things (and theres some things that are very subtle and too much to go over now)
Sadly theres no POV for broken, since the last "performance update" doesnt work too well with his PC.
Technically, besides the first room and maybe fast chems, i would consider everything glitchless. But yea compared to my usual runs i dont call it "glitchless" aswell because of that
For the first room going in damaged for the energized (backpack) OC. Yes i do use a Crosshair built into my monitor
Minitank 80%haz pro+2 disrupt mods. the Hive drop is not for faraday, just for the direct oc (since broken is running 100% Disrupt aswell). You dont have to actually kill the jammer to keep going, but it just will emp you forever really.
The transition, the yellow rolls are actually skill haste for getting the foam back before roof. Its a very scuffed room because of the builds we run in the room before, and yes the dog lost us 2 seconds but youre welcome to do it faster and show it to us❤
For Roof, brokens death was not intentional actually (it was even a timeloss). The hotswap is just away from the 6skill tier and oxy, because with an actual fast roof the enemies are dead right as oc runs out and i cant jump up :p
Boss is always toxic since a few ads usually push him and thats kinda shitty. It is kind of the standard 4man strat to oxy boss but its very toxic in duos. usually youd want to kill the boss later since the respawns trigger after 5 kills, but at the same time boss loves to run away and hide (and broken was pushed hard so i killed him first in this run)
The final run was 6:42 by Mission Ending, 6:44 by leaderboard (i show it in the Video aswell) so thats why it is considered a 6:44 for me!
Epic run!
Thanks for clearing up those things. It is clear I also have much to learn. Thanks.
I am not exactly sure what I just saw, I just know I cant do it yet =) Well played sir!
clearly, everyone knows that being German is a glitch.
Still a dawg my man, Gg and great run!!!!
I’m on console and the day I found out that my TV has an option to toggle crosshair on and off was a godsend.
2:54 my monitor has inbuilt function like that. Guess by the logic of those idiots I'm a cheater
A good thing to remember in youtube is that you can jump to the previous/next frame by using , and .
Just a handy thing to remember. Good to have you back :D
I will remember this. Thanks.
Mate, you're dropping videos so fast, it feels like I'm in a live stream! Rock on!
By the time you guys finished the run, I am still at the first bridge trying to deal with that chunga lol.
😂😂😂
stupid cheating accusations aside, I love this kind of strat explanation. a lot of this intricacies are lost for the casual viewer otherwise.
23:43 is there any benefit to using st elmos scope? I see a few people do it, but it doesn't zoom AT ALL, and can't works out why they would even do it.
More accurate to use Scope over range.
It allows you to corner peek. While scoped and behind the crusader/striker shield if you scope in you can ads at a corner/piece of cover and not be shot at
@malus3333 this was patched out
@DodRegnbue ahh ok.
Devs need to pay attention to PVP , that's where the actual cheating happens .
Toasty does not have to cheat. I've watched almost every one of his videos. He literally memorizes every detail of whatever he runs. His reaction time and situational awareness is second to none. At the end, Broken is killing the spawn door. I do this with my Eclipse build. Flood the door and they all die before they get out into the open. I've been doing that for a while. Oh I see at the end you realized it. lol
2:07 there is some screens that have the option to have built in crosshair 😉😉 . yes its not a cheat but even if it was, how can you stop that?
Talent for the medkit is on backpack, and it's called energize. it also works when you double tap medkit, you don't need to fully use it.
@DoD-Regnbue
when doing videos like this, when you are trying to capture precise moments within a video, when you pause a YT Video, you have 2 additional keyboard commands at your disposal -
, and .
, rewinds the video by 1 frame and . advances the video by one frame
also, you dont have to use your mouse for video control - Arrow keys advance or rewind by 10 seconds, Space Bar = Pause/Resume. There are much easier ways to control a YT Video.
Hope this helps
In the first part, just run to the end line and second spawn doesn't show. no need to kill anyone.
I've done the last part way to kill the door spawn but they are masters of this, damn they are fast !
And also do you know if it's possible that if you run past enemies, some of them just disappear at certain points??
You have to kill two enemies to trigger the next spawn . . . .
I have a tiny piece of tape on my tv lol for a crosshair
Great run by TOASTY and BROKEN.
its like academy award nomi ation performance for DIv2 😅😅😅.
Thank you DOD for this , doing a great job for still existing Div 2 community.
Love and respect from NZ . 3.40 am in the morning cant sleep .
Cheers
I’ve done the end room spawn camp with eclipse fire before on 2 man heroic but never tried legendary.
Just assumed it was a known thing
amazing run and excellent break down by you. Thanks for sharing
Greatest breakdown ever created! WoW!
Its non sense, complain just to complain..
Its a just point of reference, it doesn't ad damage, it doesn't reduce incoming damage, it doesn't auto aim..
Heck i think that the game it self should have it built-in.
Correct me if I get something wrong, but if you use some external help, then that's cheating, ain't it? If you did this in Counter Strike 2 tournaments, you would definitely get disqualified and banned.
@Penitten
I get your point, to me it's insignificant, especially in PvE but it's just my opinion.
Seeing that some people take 1 or 2 hours to finish Legendary and seeing what these guys accomplish, i think that it's picking on small detail.
@@Penitten have you ever played fortnite, alot of the best players use custom crosshairs and have for years, the devs allow it, its not cheating. also if u really want u can take a marker and draw a crosshair on to your screen, its not cheating
Thanks for this, Dod. Never occurred to me that they were cheating, but the breakdown of their tactics is super-helpful.
@22:37 Might be wrong, but my guess is BrokenRNG is waiting for next wave spawn under the bridge.
@23:55 Called It!! (Because I use skill build in the same way when clearing Capitol solo)
Wait, people actually said they cheated?
This was 2 legendary players btw just crazy crazy execution
11:45 Who is running Oxi????
GAWD DAMMIT!
Sorry Broken . . . . .
See, these are the videos i like instead of bashing someone else build video or whatever.
Yep i use crosshair X on most games i play, Its not cheating.
W vid here a POV of the boss oxy:th-cam.com/video/BUZ3hgxww4w/w-d-xo.html
Gaming monitors got option to put dot, x or any other mark in middle of your screen to ease aiming. No need for 3rd party software
Great rundown. Weird ppl cant see everythings above board. I guess they should take it as a compliment if their skill looks like magic.
I was cool with the run based on knowing you guys and the fact it wasn’t titled glitch less. I did get educated by this video because I don’t know how speed running works. Great run!!
Speed runners tend to be careful when it comes to declaring something as Any% or Glitchless. I am not too clued into the specifics of it, Toastey knows alot more about it than me.
Perhaps asking him to do a Glitchless Capital would be good, that way you can see the difference.
@ sure thing buddy! Glad to see you making videos again and hope you are doing better! Cheers
Broken at the end using Pummel and Oxi to refill his chems too continually kill them inin spawn or probably just an OC
not using pummel just Energize OC and BTSU with 8 oxys
no damage needed .. if you just run pass them and trigger the next spawn .. you skip chunga phase.
I use Crosshair Genie that is on steam aswell so i guess the many times i got called a cheater was true.
Glad u r back
"I suppose it's just abuse of mechanic" .. and here I'm thinking, that's precisely what speedrunning is! :P
Computer players at there finest always find a way to manipulate and exploit everything into the ground
Nope. It’s mainly 100s of hours of practice. Speedrunners get these insanely fast time because they got (very) good.
Simple as that.
I love watching toasty on twitch
I saw toastys video yesterday and i had no clue about anything going on bc i have total of 70 hours in the game and i found it really cool that he did it do fast idk how hes "cheating" lol
Me and my group just run to spawn 3 and skip the chunga. We don’t Dmg spawn 1 just decoy and dart passed so I don’t think you need Dmg on S1
In order to trigger the next spawn, something has to die. I think 2 adds.
@ idk couldn’t tell you cause when you run passed then with a decoy after the decoy pops they start following you lol and they mad!!! Hahaha. But so I do have a question. Idk if I’m gonna use it but the 3rd party dot. We all agree it’s not cheating in pve. But what about PVP. Cause I feel like I’m at a huge disadvantage to dot users but after 6 years in this game I more or less know where my gun is without a dot.
Wow. I really miss analysis vids. Came from WZ world where there were WZ analysis videos like this. Please keep this up, I learn so much. Great to have you back!
I love watching division 2 players do this one thing cause it makes them look dumb.
Not to take away from the bad ass job toasty did in this run, BIG GGs btw to these two...but running with a pistol in your hand DOES NOT increase your run speed in division 2 lmao.
this makes me laugh everytime I see someone do this lmao.
What do you mean stuck in Capitol Jail?
Means endless grind of getting the best time in Capitol speedrun.
You hate it. It sucks. But screw being socialble, you must get a better time!
Pvp is dumb as fuck in the division
What I don’t know about😅 your confused
I dont care if its technically not cheating. It sure looks and smells like cheating.
Yo
Cheaters are lazy people😅
chatterbox / phase skips arent considered as "cheating" in the speedrun community but in terms of exploits yea its an exploit
they were accused of running scripts and cheating that way...
Chatterbox affecting your Chems is actually by design. This has been a thing since year 1.
@@broz666 you can only run scripts on controller, they both play keyboard
lol by some stupid reason he says 😂
If you play the game you are cheating. I mean isn't everything cheating? There are people avoiding the 5x event because they actually equate it to cheating. We really need a cure for stupidity. I'm sure I'll be dead and gone though before that happens.
Cheat 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Why do ppl even care if they cheated or not? Its not like they got some insane reward or power advantage from a speedrun.
Even when leagues had leaderboards ppl were cheating but it didn't matter as there was no reward for it like there was in div 1 with the masks and points brackets.
I think cheating is using any 3rd party software to gain advantage, so i would argue Crosshair X is cheating to a degree as it directly changes the gameplay to your advantage, but any exploits, bugs or anything in game that's possible normally isn't cheating.
pretty much every PC Monitor now-a-day has them build in. . .
You can say its not cheating all you want but using things outside of the game to help you in a game that doesnt use it is clearly cheating. If you use it and i dont then you have an advantage over me, thats clearly cheating. Sorry not sorry. Not saying this wasnt amazing cause it was Amazing!
It is not against TOS, or EULA, as stated above, a lot of modern monitors have this as a feature built in.
In short, you are just no using it by choice, which further confirms it is not cheating.
@@DodRegnbue sure if Division declares it not cheating then cool, I'm on board. It was an amazing run. These guys are Kings!
@@saintanubis6177 3rd party software that directly influences the game or the games code is against TOS and EULA.
If you wanted to do some real cave man tech, you can measure your screen, and draw a little dot in the centre with permant marker. Just to show where centre screen is.
No one can stop you doing this, when at home, recording fottage, no one will be able to tell if you did this or not and it does not directly influence your play. Hense, not against TOS or EULA.
Also, all this asside, I am only assuming they are running this. I actually have no idea if they are. I am not sure if you have ever watched Rise play, he actually does not do this, and he pulls shots like that off all the time.
@DodRegnbue yea I heard you say they may not have it in the beginning of the video. I'm just thinking when devs actually bring mods into a game they shut off all trophies and achievements. Yea you're right noone will know if you draw a dot on your screen, lol. Not trying to hate on or argue, these guys are amazing.
@@saintanubis6177 All good my guy. Not trying to berate or anything. Just explain.
Also, just to expand, there are many catagories of Speed runs as well. This comes under "Any%" which means full use of Glitchess, exploits, skips ect are allowed. You also have Glitchless, which obviously, the aforementioned "things" are not allowed, I think, things like Crosshair X are also not allowed. Toastey tends to be pretty good with what he does declaring the appropriate things as Any% or Glitchless.
Using broken game mechanics is defined as cheating. It doesn’t matter that the “divisions speed runners” aka council of exploiters says it’s not. It’s pretty simple, play the game without exploits and prove you really are as good as you claim, otherwise you are no different than the Chinese player who ran 100mph through the mission in 1 minute, you both exploited the game.
These guys are good with or without give them the their flowers.
the chinese guy installed cheats, they just used game knowledge, its not cheating
@@gnarlyraccoon32 It most certainly is cheating. Exploiting game mechanics is cheating. It’s even in the terms of service. They’re cheaters, deal with it.
@@ccaesar360 Then why do they use exploits? I’m sorry but good players don’t use exploits.
@@badz2211 name 1 exploit, I'll wait
Also 3rd party software cheating. If u use that u use other things. Use 1 build and see how fast ppl get through it.
you have no clue what speedruns are do you?
We clear this missing in like 8 minutes just with Strikers . . . . .
And 3rd part software is only against TOS and EULA if it interfers with the game or it's code.
There is literally nothing stopping you from putting a dot in the middle of your screen with a marker . . . . This is not cheating.