I personally think his bicep and tendons are so strong before lockout it just seems like a bone lock. But has anyone ever actually been at a position where your joint is maxed out then had a fulcrum placed on it. It hurts so much. Have a straight leg then have someone put force on the knee and have the ankle/hip fixed. The knee is coming undone. Same goes for arms and fingers. He has now had his pronation strengthened and now has additional support to keep from completely straightening.
it's not the same. With a normal joint at full extension, it is stretching out the ligaments and tissues, and putting a lot of stress on cartilage. with michael, he has extra bone growth, so it doesnt get to that point of hyperextension where it's stretching and damaging those structures
I hope Mike wins dominantly so we have the tiniest hope that MMT has maybe something for Levan, otherwise it's Ermes losing to Levan again (albeit, he did force Levan to foul and concede 2 rounds of 6, so IMHO Ermes or Vitaly are the most viable contenders if peaked properly blasting all the PEDs)
Michael is an insane shape right now, it will be pretty hard for Ermes to win. I still believe Ermes should win if he makes no mistakes, his style and specific strenght is the perfect counter to Michael's King's Move, he just need the endurance and patience to work his way to the pin. Ermes is more hermetic on the weights he uses, while Michael upload something every day, so we have less fresh infos about Ermes shape, but just by watching him his shape seems pretty damn great
Ermes endurrance is really good rn.I think if ermes gets the wrist cupped he wins,because for sure he is gonna get the riser and michaels wrist.But michael can pull without his wrist,ermes cant really.If ermes loses the wrist(can happen) in my opinion michael wins without to much trouble.No one is beating michael with a flop rn except jerry probably
@@stenipapalilo3469well Ermes can still fight with his wrist flat, but yeah if he loses it completely that's pretty much it for him. But he for sure needs to beat Michaels rise to get over the top, there's no other way around
Well in terms of entertainment, the best thing that could happen is Michael Todd win this match. Because Ermes already had a shot at Levan, I am curious to see how Michael does vs Levan.
So tough to call ! As a fan this match is one for the ages. Rooting for Michael, but the whole sport wins in a match this big. This really is one of the biggest matches in history is how I feel. Both are legitimate legends, and loser probably faces Jerry as well. All legendary matches for the history books. WHAT AN AMAZING TIME IN ARM WRESTLING!! Wooohoo
@@SkibidTvWoman KOTT is 6 rounds, supposedly mandatory to pull, with 7th in case of a 3-3 tie. EvW is best of 5 for normal matches and best of 7 for title matches.
Devon is likely going against vitally on right, and has some left arm matches. So hard to put him in. Devon also doesn't have interest in MMT. I think my beating ermes is the ticket to levan.
Well brother, I don’t like Michael style with the Kings move, but yes I believe the lay off is going to play a big factor for Ermes , because with Michael, you have to be on the top of your game, he is one endurance specialist and if you’re not on your game, you’re in trouble so yes, I think he will beat Ermes hands down
I mean according to this channel, since Mike "cheats" every match, even if he does beat Ermes he shouldn't pull Levan. I mean really. Since his arm locks. He should just be banned from the whole sport. Right "Voice of armwrestling"?
Michael cannot press down Ermes. Also Ermes's setup is superior so will be his center control so he definitely will have the edge in winning the handbattle what will be the determining factor of the outcome of this match.
If Todd beats Ermes no kingsmove... i think it would be the biggest thing to happen in armwrestling this year and this decade. Just imagine... i dont know if im ready to see that...
But how can the referee know exactly when that happens? Could you personally tell with certainty when someone's arm is straight and not a 1 degree bent? I don't think anyone can do that. Especially when referees have other things to look for, like elbows and shoulder lines.
@@aphmaucat-d8s or you have your strong point there. Michael didn't seem to struggle all that much holding Genadi. Yet, Genadi was able to pin him without arm breaking. Clearly it was not fully extended, since the pin was possible.
Why don’t people just look how Devon beat Michael at KOTT 1 and armwars 2018? He dismantled him and the straight arm stuff made no difference. The 2018 armwars match Mike was fully decline humerus and still LOST. My god HOW????? It’s not unbeatable. It seems people get frustrated because they don’t win and it’s just another excuse. Work the problem and figure it out.
I like Ermes to win. However, MMTodd has fully recovered from his injuries which were the reasons he almost gets himself to retirement. He was fooled by everyone when he torn his biceps after pulling everyone and much of his tendons were detached. MMT has a very strong flash pins and blocker that pushes his opponent to a trap, luring them to finish him quickly but burning them quickly while wrestling in the most efficient fashion that has a least chance of a pin because of the king’s move position. Ermes needs to overcome MMTs hand and arm towards his chest and heart and quickly transition to a tricep press… if he can drain MMT in the first round in this position, then the battle is done and boring. Ermes needs to come heavier than MMT. Else, he is at risk of a loss. 🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
Ermes will not out weigh Michael that's for sure. Michael is physically larger than Ermes, the cameras really don't show it well but I was shocked at how big he actually is in person the first time I met him.
@ uh yeah because the other guy is sitting straight arm not using any energy. I don’t know how you people can’t see what a scam that move is. When Devon got beaten by it by Todd literally everyone hated it rightfully so. Now Devon tells you guys it’s good and you fall for it! It’s a scam
Ermes and his fans only now complaining about the kings move because of his up coming match with Michael Todd. You do realize that only makes you look weak and scared. I’ve now lost all respect for Ermes. Ray you’re a good son. 😆
For Michael to win he needs to win the hand or at the very least *maintain* pronation, and he will not. Ermes hand is way to strong for Michael. Ermes will turn him palm up and it will look like the Devon match in 2021. Kingsmove is useless if youre palm up with the wrist bent back because in a stretched arm position your hand can reach the pin pad with wrist bent back.
I used to support Ermes a lot initially and hate Michael but now it's just opposite. I started hating Ermes due to his crying and whinning nature and trying to manipulate organizers like Engin, Coach Ray and others to show that how he is being robbed and cheated while everytime I see this guy taking so much advantage over opponents in the set up but when the other person gives him taste of his medicine he's so upset. Devon should never pull him again. The guy doesn't deserve a rematch bcz of the behaviour.
@@leonardotheuseless4188just watch his podcasts. Engin getting influenced and referees getting extra strict on Devon for no reason. I can give examples of instances with proof so don't try to act like you don't know anything and has heard something weird which you never knew.
Ermes has a better wrist, better backpressure, better sidepressure AND he has a flop press. Todd doesn't stand a chance, not matter how many roids he pumps into those stemcell shots
"Ermes has a better wrist".... maybe the worst assessment of an armwrestler in modern day armwrestling history. If you think that wrist strength is one of Ermes strong suits then your just not watching the same guy that everyone else is, maybe your thinking of a different guy named Ermes.
@@devidia so if Ermes loses his wrist against Michael will you come admit you were wrong? I will for sure do it if Michael loses his wrist, I have no problem being wrong if I am. Just remember though, Ermes is gonna have to transition to a press to pin Michael and he's 100% gonna lose his wrist to do it so just think carefully before you say yes.
@allanbrunelle Dumping your wrist can be intentional as it is beneficial for pressing. It's more likely Ermes will win the center battle and will take Todd's wrist. But if he doesn't, sure i'll admit it.
Whomever wins the hand control battle here will win. Ermes is very good with his hand and knows how to climb well but Michael is looking absurdly strong. Going to be a great match and highly contested. I’m hoping Michael takes it. Would love to see if Levan can solve the true kings move puzzle. Might be his kryptonite.
Coach Ray, are you sure it was Matt? I thought it was Lars.
Mike pulled Lars, not Matt Mask
I personally think his bicep and tendons are so strong before lockout it just seems like a bone lock. But has anyone ever actually been at a position where your joint is maxed out then had a fulcrum placed on it. It hurts so much. Have a straight leg then have someone put force on the knee and have the ankle/hip fixed. The knee is coming undone. Same goes for arms and fingers. He has now had his pronation strengthened and now has additional support to keep from completely straightening.
it's not the same. With a normal joint at full extension, it is stretching out the ligaments and tissues, and putting a lot of stress on cartilage. with michael, he has extra bone growth, so it doesnt get to that point of hyperextension where it's stretching and damaging those structures
And you and Janis were kind enough to bring up the Kings conversation just in time for this match. Such nice guys…. true ambassadors of the sport.
I’m glad someone finally talked about it again. It’s a joke and should not be allowed
They are scared for poor Ermes
@@Armbender1085 Facts
Perfect timing, if MMT uses it exclusively, the bone lock straight arm, it will continue the debate, debate is good.
@@seanlennon5986 It just makes Ermes and his fans look weak. Like man up! Stop being cry babies. Neither are beating Levan so it doesn’t matter.
Im rooting for Mike this time just because I want him to try Levan next. Bonelock or not, its another puzzle that Levan needs to defeat imo
i gotta jump on the MMT train for the same reasons. I think mike can do it.
I hope Mike wins dominantly so we have the tiniest hope that MMT has maybe something for Levan, otherwise it's Ermes losing to Levan again (albeit, he did force Levan to foul and concede 2 rounds of 6, so IMHO Ermes or Vitaly are the most viable contenders if peaked properly blasting all the PEDs)
Tbh even if MMT loses to Ermes, it’d be interesting to see the current best King’s move against Levan
Mike pulled Lars, not Matt Mask though.
I was like how did I miss MMT and mask.....😂
@@Smoktoutbbq Right, lol.
It was actually supposed to happen in 2018, but it didn't so they never pulled.
I personally would like to see a Ermes vs Levan rematch.
Michael is an insane shape right now, it will be pretty hard for Ermes to win. I still believe Ermes should win if he makes no mistakes, his style and specific strenght is the perfect counter to Michael's King's Move, he just need the endurance and patience to work his way to the pin. Ermes is more hermetic on the weights he uses, while Michael upload something every day, so we have less fresh infos about Ermes shape, but just by watching him his shape seems pretty damn great
Ermes endurrance is really good rn.I think if ermes gets the wrist cupped he wins,because for sure he is gonna get the riser and michaels wrist.But michael can pull without his wrist,ermes cant really.If ermes loses the wrist(can happen) in my opinion michael wins without to much trouble.No one is beating michael with a flop rn except jerry probably
@@stenipapalilo3469well Ermes can still fight with his wrist flat, but yeah if he loses it completely that's pretty much it for him. But he for sure needs to beat Michaels rise to get over the top, there's no other way around
@@muhlizcoxi yes I agree
Well in terms of entertainment, the best thing that could happen is Michael Todd win this match. Because Ermes already had a shot at Levan, I am curious to see how Michael does vs Levan.
Need the Ermes rematch. Levan will hurt MT if he goes into the kings.
maybe you should put it off your mind with the cringe kings move complaints
I see it going a few different ways including Ermes winning 4-0. But at the end of the day I think it's a war and Mike wins
So tough to call ! As a fan this match is one for the ages. Rooting for Michael, but the whole sport wins in a match this big. This really is one of the biggest matches in history is how I feel. Both are legitimate legends, and loser probably faces Jerry as well. All legendary matches for the history books. WHAT AN AMAZING TIME IN ARM WRESTLING!! Wooohoo
So true. Can't wait
This could be in contention for one of the best matches of the card, (it has that potential) cannot wait!
Wonderful commentary Ray...stay strong.
Honestly, I see Todd losing 4-2 or so. Ermes seems way more of a favorite for this matchup.
It's only best of 5. (As far as i know, since it's not a title match)
@@muhlizcoxiu r right
@ Wasn't aware of the reason for the difference in 5-6 best of matches, thanks! Noticed more matches were “Best Of 6” recently and wasn't sure why.
@@SkibidTvWoman KOTT is 6 rounds, supposedly mandatory to pull, with 7th in case of a 3-3 tie. EvW is best of 5 for normal matches and best of 7 for title matches.
Ermes is amazing and I would have to say I favour him, but Michael did a great (and somewhat varied) job vs Genadi.
I think Ermes has the strength to beat Michael's King's move, he just needs to apply the right strategy.
I think Todd should have to go thru Devon First if he wins ermes since Devon is #2 and beat Todd badly last time..
Devon is likely going against vitally on right, and has some left arm matches. So hard to put him in. Devon also doesn't have interest in MMT. I think my beating ermes is the ticket to levan.
MMT will win in MMT long drawn out kings move battle. I can’t wait!
Not giving Vitaliy the match is robbery
Todd’s bone lock technique VS. Ermes’ power. Really hard to predict right now.
Well brother, I don’t like Michael style with the Kings move, but yes I believe the lay off is going to play a big factor for Ermes , because with Michael, you have to be on the top of your game, he is one endurance specialist and if you’re not on your game, you’re in trouble so yes, I think he will beat Ermes hands down
Ermes all the way.
I want Ermes to win. But i can't stress enough just HOW MUCH i want him to beat Mike...
yeah it's not good to have someone like michael with his "style" anywhere near the top of a sport
Levan beats either.
Ermes will win.
Yes. Does Vitaly armwrestle Devon, yes. Now let's get Auden into some top 10 opponents...
I mean according to this channel, since Mike "cheats" every match, even if he does beat Ermes he shouldn't pull Levan. I mean really. Since his arm locks. He should just be banned from the whole sport. Right "Voice of armwrestling"?
*gets popcorn*
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Michael cannot press down Ermes. Also Ermes's setup is superior so will be his center control so he definitely will have the edge in winning the handbattle what will be the determining factor of the outcome of this match.
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Both if this guys have an absolute &hit in the name of technique.....
If Todd beats Ermes no kingsmove... i think it would be the biggest thing to happen in armwrestling this year and this decade. Just imagine... i dont know if im ready to see that...
Rematch with Devon first IF he beats Ermes
MMT with the win! He takes the hand and the arm will follow!
Good analysis, but come on Rai, call it. You're asking us who do we think will win, so who do you think? I think Michael will win.
Mike pulled Matt mask? I can’t find it anywhere on TH-cam
Probably meant to say Lars
If your arm is extended as far as it goes it's a pin
It has to touch the pad
But how can the referee know exactly when that happens?
Could you personally tell with certainty when someone's arm is straight and not a 1 degree bent?
I don't think anyone can do that. Especially when referees have other things to look for, like elbows and shoulder lines.
@ idk but when you go from struggling to a straight arm and no exertion at all on your face your prob as far as your arm goes
@@tuphdc8779 nice try troll I've seen you post this somewhere else. You must be a Devon paid bot
@@aphmaucat-d8s or you have your strong point there.
Michael didn't seem to struggle all that much holding Genadi. Yet, Genadi was able to pin him without arm breaking.
Clearly it was not fully extended, since the pin was possible.
Ya why doesn't Michael have to pull Devon,vitaly or someone else before levan?
I want Ermes to win but its 50/50
Why don’t people just look how Devon beat Michael at KOTT 1 and armwars 2018? He dismantled him and the straight arm stuff made no difference. The 2018 armwars match Mike was fully decline humerus and still LOST. My god HOW????? It’s not unbeatable. It seems people get frustrated because they don’t win and it’s just another excuse. Work the problem and figure it out.
Give me a Hell yeah brother
I vote for & support Quality.
If MMT's off shoulder goes below the table and stays there? Boooooo
His arm was not fully stretched out or straight round 1 against genadi. If it was he would have been pinned.
Если кинсгмув не забанят то Майкл Тодд всю кровь выпьет с Эрмеса.Я за Эрмеса но выйграет читер Бородач
I like Ermes to win. However, MMTodd has fully recovered from his injuries which were the reasons he almost gets himself to retirement. He was fooled by everyone when he torn his biceps after pulling everyone and much of his tendons were detached.
MMT has a very strong flash pins and blocker that pushes his opponent to a trap, luring them to finish him quickly but burning them quickly while wrestling in the most efficient fashion that has a least chance of a pin because of the king’s move position.
Ermes needs to overcome MMTs hand and arm towards his chest and heart and quickly transition to a tricep press… if he can drain MMT in the first round in this position, then the battle is done and boring.
Ermes needs to come heavier than MMT. Else, he is at risk of a loss.
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Ermes will not out weigh Michael that's for sure. Michael is physically larger than Ermes, the cameras really don't show it well but I was shocked at how big he actually is in person the first time I met him.
We all want Levan VS Michael.
Not rematch Levan VS Ermes
Lol....
Not Micheal with Levan, i don't want Micheal to get retired so early.....
MMT, even if he beats Ermes, doesn't have anything for Levan. Only a 310 pound Devon has a shot and even then, Levan probably still wins.
MMT LFG 💪💪🔥🔥
Todd wins by sitting straight arm while ermes the much stronger man tires out. Just like Genadi match
The much stronger man tires out. Say that again lol
@ uh yeah because the other guy is sitting straight arm not using any energy. I don’t know how you people can’t see what a scam that move is. When Devon got beaten by it by Todd literally everyone hated it rightfully so. Now Devon tells you guys it’s good and you fall for it! It’s a scam
@@tuphdc8779
Hi, Micheal
Ermes and his fans only now complaining about the kings move because of his up coming match with Michael Todd. You do realize that only makes you look weak and scared. I’ve now lost all respect for Ermes. Ray you’re a good son. 😆
I don't think Ermes is worried about the respect of some faceless person online
@User81sg5 i dont think Ermes wants to be defended by some faceless person online.
@@User81sg5 I’m sure I’m not the only person, I was a fan but I’m glad you speak for him. 😆
I root for Michael but i believe Ermes is too technical & wont fall into michel's trap.
If he does one , Michaels wins all
Monster will win.
MT or Ermes have no chance against Levan. Ermes has the best chance and he'll smoke MT for SURE
For Michael to win he needs to win the hand or at the very least *maintain* pronation, and he will not. Ermes hand is way to strong for Michael. Ermes will turn him palm up and it will look like the Devon match in 2021. Kingsmove is useless if youre palm up with the wrist bent back because in a stretched arm position your hand can reach the pin pad with wrist bent back.
no chance for Michael
I used to support Ermes a lot initially and hate Michael but now it's just opposite. I started hating Ermes due to his crying and whinning nature and trying to manipulate organizers like Engin, Coach Ray and others to show that how he is being robbed and cheated while everytime I see this guy taking so much advantage over opponents in the set up but when the other person gives him taste of his medicine he's so upset. Devon should never pull him again. The guy doesn't deserve a rematch bcz of the behaviour.
Manipulate? What are you smoking my guy
@@leonardotheuseless4188just watch his podcasts. Engin getting influenced and referees getting extra strict on Devon for no reason. I can give examples of instances with proof so don't try to act like you don't know anything and has heard something weird which you never knew.
😂😂@@leonardotheuseless4188
Ermes has a better wrist, better backpressure, better sidepressure AND he has a flop press. Todd doesn't stand a chance, not matter how many roids he pumps into those stemcell shots
"Ermes has a better wrist".... maybe the worst assessment of an armwrestler in modern day armwrestling history. If you think that wrist strength is one of Ermes strong suits then your just not watching the same guy that everyone else is, maybe your thinking of a different guy named Ermes.
@allanbrunelle let's just watch which comment ages the best... ;)
@@allanbrunelleU are trolling i hope
@@devidia so if Ermes loses his wrist against Michael will you come admit you were wrong? I will for sure do it if Michael loses his wrist, I have no problem being wrong if I am.
Just remember though, Ermes is gonna have to transition to a press to pin Michael and he's 100% gonna lose his wrist to do it so just think carefully before you say yes.
@allanbrunelle Dumping your wrist can be intentional as it is beneficial for pressing. It's more likely Ermes will win the center battle and will take Todd's wrist. But if he doesn't, sure i'll admit it.
Michael would be destroyed by levan 6-0 with ease
Engin 7-5
Ermes wins
A year and 1 month off
Levan style pulling lol
Whomever wins the hand control battle here will win. Ermes is very good with his hand and knows how to climb well but Michael is looking absurdly strong. Going to be a great match and highly contested. I’m hoping Michael takes it. Would love to see if Levan can solve the true kings move puzzle. Might be his kryptonite.