Well that’s not true, but you’re entitled to your opinion. As stated in the video, and in many comments, it’s not about the paddle. It’s about creating arbitrary rules after having already approved paddles. Mod is not the only paddle impacted.
Its the first paddle I have ever bought - I liked it after trying various paddles. I am inexperienced and had no idea about the 'controversies' until I saw it on a youtube channel.
@@dinkinganddriving you're right, it's not like a delaminated paddle, it's actually better. It has the power of one, yet is still controllable on dinks and resets. I get you're salty you wasted money, but the paddle was cheater paddle from day one because I myself went up a full 0.5 dupr playing with one.
@juice1837 I’m not salty and I didn’t waste my money. I retuned the paddle and got a different new paddle from a different brand. I don’t think most will be as fortunate, though. This frustration isn’t about the mod, it’s around the lack of consistency and clarity with the rules. I actually played objectively worse with the mod because I was less consistent. In a drilling session I hit about 70% of my drives in with it, and about 90% in with a much softer paddle. The flip side to that was I could drop from the baseline very easily with the mod, and that other paddle went into the net quite often.
Great pod on this topic that's been going around. Since putting 16mm cores in a 15mm mold, Joola has no credibilty in my book. USAPA is on a mission to make BIG PICKLE about money. The approval fees and the newer advertising fees are a pure money grab. I'm a Rec only guy, so they'll have to pull my GB PPE from my cold dead hands. My MOD KILLER!
Haha yes there are definitely a lot of “business decisions” happening with how fast this sport is growing. Glad you are still able to use the paddle you enjoy!
From Mr. Average 65 yr old 4.0 player playing with Mod TA and how I’m effected, not the pros. I play mostly recreation with a few tournaments a year. Even though I am athletic for my age, I play the Mod so I don’t have to swing as hard and hurt myself. It’s not to over power my opponents. Although I understand what the controlling entity is trying to do, moving the bar to frequently with what seems to be inadequate communication trickles down from the pro level into the consumer market. To give a simple example…after last weeks change in rules, the league I play in is now looking at following these rule changes. And even though I can afford a new paddle, I don’t want someone telling me I can’t use my fairly new $300 paddle that I don’t hit hard enough to break or injure someone . On your comment about manufacturers pushing the envelope…that’s what they are suppose to do. Research and developing new technology to continually improve. Don’t forget, a manufacturer will only produce what the majority of consumers want or they will go out of business. We all have different opinions about the game is too fast or slow and there will always be an answer for both wether it’s the paddle you use or who you play with. Bottom line, I don’t think changing rules too frequently or too quickly without great communication to all involved is good for the sport. Let the sport breathe and evolve. The consumer, wether watching pros or playing will ultimately guide the sport. If we don’t let that happen, the sport will suffer.
A majority of consumers don’t have to want or buy a paddle for it to be successful or for them to make money off of it. A majority of consumers are against roided out paddles. If you want to play your rec games with a Mod or a Vice, no sanctioning body is going to stop you.
I like your option 3 as there is a big lack of transparency since the first paddlegate with CRBN. USAP has been hidding for years, which lead to the UPA-A being formed (which is not good for the sport)
I agree with you completely. However, I am also extremely dissatisfied with Joola as I bought my Mod 15A in late November. I really expect to have a full refund or a swap. Otherwise, I will never buy Joola again.
I understand this take. I steered clear when I exchanged my mod and went with a different brand. I’m not particularly upset with them, but I felt their response was weak. That combined with the mixed reviews I’ve heard on their quality control has definitely left me open to new brands.
These paddles are core crushed out of the box or certainly after they are "broken in" unfortunately many owners of them are in denial. USAP definitely dropped the ball in approving these in the 1st place but Joola bears some responsibility for crushing the core during manufacturing
Mine was not core crushed and never got to that point. It sounded different than the other mods that friends had purchased - mine was not as deep of a muted sound when impacting the ball. My friend did Crush his core within a week of purchase and we could hear it crumple when compressing it with our hands, however we could never replicate that with mine. Maybe I was just lucky? Not sure. But the variance in quality control is a known issue for Joola.
Where I feel your argument doesn’t hold water is that the paddles are being sunset and not banned until July 2025. A higher level player, ones that play tournaments, are going to burn through their paddle before July 2025, and will need a new paddle before then. For a less competitive player that doesn’t play in tournaments, the ban has little relevance.
Appreciate the thoughtful response. That may be the case for some, but other clubs and rec facilities are also implementing these rules as well. There is also a stigma around playing with paddles that are deemed too powerful for professional use (which is understandable). Again, the issue isn’t as much around updating the rules as much as it is around how arbitrary the rules seem to be. Somebody randomly decided that a certain level of power is too much. Now there are a lot of people who bought legal paddles having to figure out what to do next.
@The1960musicman I think you are responding to my post. If not please forgive me, but if you are thank you. I appreciate your fairness/power in play. I wish I had done my research before responding to Matt's video. I have a clearer understanding of the issue. First 2023 September USPA approved the Gen 3 paddle for play. June 2024 new testing and the paddle was delisted for play. July 1 MOD approved for play. July 2024 Joola filed lawsauit for Gen 3 paddles. Not that USPA changed standards. But weather it had the right to delist the paddle from play. So what changed? A new form testing called th Pickelball Coefficient of Restitution. I asked Matt how long has this testing been around, I think he said, awhile. 2024 Q4 is when the testing started and USPA has all along been working with manufactures to keep them informed of the standards for this new testing. Second. Joola has taken responsible for this mistake. The Propulsion Core system in the MOD is the same core system in Gen 3. Third. Im sorry you feel as though the governing body of pickleball does not have a right to tell you what paddle you can or can not use tourament play. I appreciate the Standards and Intergity USPA has provided for many years. Last. The reason why I play the paddle I play is for the power they provide. Probably the main reason people started buying the MOD. Funny, what about the other paddles that are delisted. Should they not be gradfathered in as well? I'm 57 and a 4.0 rec player. Thanks for your time
Including myself, ive played with a while court of MODS and we have amazing games. Then majority of people with other paddles still destroy me. In my opinion the games are all subjective. If you dont have skills and touch with any paddle theres not much to say about that.
That has been my experience as well. I play with a lot of very skilled players, and none of them complain or are scared of my mod. They all appreciate that they get to increase their defense against harder hits.
I feel like that it is a fault from both sides: USAP from delisting something that they pass, again. It will lower their credibility overtime. Joola from knowing that USAP will be enforcing PbCoR soon and they still sell the MOD regardless of how this will affect the consumers. I have played against MOD users, which take some time to adjust, but any higher level players will be adjusted to it. I bought a MOD myself and I like the paddle as i can use it for different shots (much easier to reset and better counter).
Agreed. And the more I dive in and look at joola’s response the more I feel like there was cooperation behind the scenes which is a bad look for Joola.
Got an email from Joola today that says you can get 50% off the Pro 4 coming out in March if you purchased a Mod before March 1st (previously it was Nov 1st 2024 - March 1st 2025 so it's more consumer-friendly now). I own two Mods and will purchase at least one of the Pro 4's. I stopped using the Mod when the USAP decision came out because the Mod is a cheat code on the court. The game is more fun when you don't have to worry about injuring others or getting hurt yourself. I think Joola handled it as well as they could have. USAP absolutely needs to do better and be more transparent. They are clearly over their heads with the changes in paddle technology and need to hire smarter people. I do hope Joola wins the lawsuit against USAP because they've been shafted by them twice now.
Couple thoughts: 1. You’re forgetting that this is complicated by both sides suing each other already (ongoing) 2. The Mod-TA breaks within a few weeks and is no longer within spec (becomes nonconforming) It basically bans itself! 3. It’s actually still legal for 6 more months, and would need to be replaced by then anyway due to excessive wear/loss of grit on the face
Appreciate the response - however I’m not sure what the lawsuit has to do with anything… I should have done a better job of stating that this video is not about any specific paddle, it’s about USA Pickleball making up arbitrary rules as they go along. This time it happened to impact joola (as well as gearbox and others). And the fact that these thoughts are paddle agnostic also answers your second thought as well. And while I have heard a lot about mods breaking quickly, that has not been the case for me and I swing very hard. It did impact a friend of mine though and he purchased his paddle after I did. Sounds like inconsistent QC.
All of this happened in baseball/softball 20 years ago. One manufacturer, found away to bring power inside of the current standards. The MOD TA, works inside of the mechanical loophole, even though it should of never been allowed, it did slip by USAPA. With that, Joola absolutely knew what they were doing and the MOD gets its full 18 months of legality. what has happened is now you open the door to other manufacturers to exploit that same loop pole and if you don’t stop it this sport is gonna go downhill quickly. The Pros complained a ton about the mod, it isnt just rec players. I dont mind drives and serves off the mod ta. Its fhe little flick at the net that has impossible spin and power that no other paddle creates. We all know it. Its a slippery slope that now has some tracfion sand on it. You know what came next in baseball? Counterfeiting an illegal bat to be a legal one, or doctoring a legal bat to be illegal internally. Plenty of companies could of followed suit and didnt. Some might call this the highroad. Some might call it lagging behind. Enjoy the MOD while its legal.
Thanks for the thoughtful response and for contributing to the dialogue! I think the grandfathering option addresses that issue in a way that doesn’t hurt consumers as much, but still allows rules to be refined and adjusted appropriately. It’s likely a part of growing pains of a sport in a rapid growth phase, but I still think the USPA should be more transparent and proactive in communication around the standards.
I have both black ace & the mod. Black ace has absolutely no power or pop, so why the ban? What's the difference when someone adds weights to "modify"? The paddles were approved for a while now.
The so-called super paddles are showing up more and more in rec play. When enough injuries occur, PB will go the way of racquetball. If the rec game is not protected, then how does anyone make a profit? Who buys, plays, or watches PB? How long was USAPA too wait before making a correction? I personally applaud them. At 60, I refuse to play against super paddles in my rec play.
It’s not about making a correction, it’s about how they made it - which was arbitrarily without any data to back up the change. I understand your concern with safety - and that is a fair concern to have… but limiting the paddle will not be very helpful in protecting you against fast and powerful (and potentially reckless) players. Playing with others that are a similar skill level and athletic level is your best bet no matter what! can generate more power with any control paddle on the market than any 60 year old can with a “super paddle.”
I am glad that you did this video. UASP is stifling the manufacturers of Pickleball paddles and they are stifling the growth of the game. There actions of banning popular paddles kills innovation and the manufacturers wanting to take a chance by pushing the envelope so to speak in making new innovative paddles. It seems to me that the USAP caved into what the cowards wanted. A paddle should not be banned because not all can control or wield it's power. That is part of the fun of owning and playing with a power paddle. I also for one do not like some of the rules that take away a person creative thinking in playing the game. for instance; a person having a paddle in each hand when receiving the ball should be legal so a person does not have to swap hands with a single individual paddle. The USAP needs new fresh blood to help them make the rules of the sport to grow the sport. Out with the Old thinking and in with the new thinking. I could use a new job. :) I bought 2 Gearbox Elongated Pro Power pickleball paddles which I think are the best paddles that Gearbox has made to date and even make suggestions for a 14mm widebody pickleball paddle with the same materials and SST core design as the Gearbox Elongated Pro Power pickleball paddle which I know now will never happen. I am not interested in the 16mm Ultra hyper pickleball paddle. And I agree USAP should be accountable as they also said the Gearbox Elongated Pro Power pickleball paddle were approved and now they delisted them.
This is a silly video. Could USAP have done better in this new power paddle era? Of course. But we also have to understand that pickleball is still a relatively new game (at least in terms of growth and development) and thus with that comes growing pains. One of which is this technology race to optimize paddle performance. It’s understandable that as companies and consumers during this time, governing bodies will need to adjust/hone regulations to ensure equitable and balanced play for the future of the sport.
You sound like someone who is very patient and understanding (with poor taste in TH-cam videos haha). Appreciate your opinion - I am not willing to be as understanding towards an organization whose sole existence is to accomplish the things you mentioned. But is it worth getting overly worked up about? Probably not.
I’d agree that wouldn’t be smart. My mod core was never crushed, and the gearbox pro didn’t have core crushing issues that I’m aware of and it was still banned.
The Mod TA ruins the game. While I agree us pickleball should be better in not approving it and then delisting. It is best for the game. Played for 6 years at a nigh level and the game is less fun with too much power
NOPE. That’s a hard screw you. 65-69% of the players don’t want these paddles in the game. The polls have been repeated several times over. You’re a DOUCHE for playing with a Mod. The biggest problem is that they didn’t do it sooner and didn’t stop this from the get go. That being said, they need to put the foot down on companies exploiting loopholes to go outside the accepted parameters that make the game worse. Paddles that people use today are NOTHING like wooden tennis racquets. That comparison is awful. That’s like saying everyone needs to go back to the original wood paddles. No one thinks that. No one wants that. The paddles having parameters doesn’t stop you from being athletic.
That’s a pretty aggressive comment from a guy who is afraid of getting hit with a wiffle ball too hard. I hope you feel tough calling strangers on the internet names. Thanks for engaging!
To you sir, I diagree more than i agree with you. My questions to you are. Is this a new form of testing? Did USPA have guidelines a paddles had to stay within to be approved? If pros are complaining about the issue as well, why are you making it about the rec player? I'm thinking USPA is thinking more about the rec player than anything else, Safety. The pros can the advantages the paddle provides. I don't think grandma can. Last point, Joola has offered to right the wrong of USPA if you can say that. Just my thoughts.
The form of testing has been around, but they are capping the level of deflection at a new lower standard. Again, like many others in the comments, you seem to misunderstand the points made in the video. Rules are fine, but the amendment process is what is broken in this scenario. They approved these paddles knowing full well what they were capable of, and now have set new standards without any clarity as to how and why they have come up with these new standards. Anything over a .44 pbcor measurement is now illegal (which I believe is what the mod tested at according to rumors). So a .43 pbcor measurement is going to be legal… so a .01 change will all of a sudden make paddles safe? Seems pretty unrealistic to me.
@@dinkinganddriving they are trying to make the game safer for everyone. You can still use the mod ta nobody stopping you. You just can't use it in their sanctioned tournaments. I watched the video you asking for a full refund or 100% discount. That's ridiculous. Joola 50% offer is fair. You should see what prokennex and gearbox offer.
@ I offered that as a potential solution for banning a paddle that was previous approved. They arbitrarily set a limit without any specific reason for pbcor numbers after having already approved these paddles. That is what the gripe is about. And there are rec leagues that are also banning these paddles now due to the USAP decision. Those are non sanctioned events at local clubs.
I pretty much couldn't disagree more. USAP have sunset the Joolas and, based on the typical life of the paddles, tournament players will wear them out sooner than the sunset date - and rec players who do not wear them out can keep using them. Don't blame the manufacturers for pushing the envelope - blame them for making paddles that wear out so quickly. Make a paddle that doesn't lose spin in 4 months! As for making USAP responsible for refunds when they catch a mfgr exceeding the limits - that's like making a city responsible for speeding fines because car mfgrs make cars that go too fast. You sound like a UPAA proponent - just charge the crap out of mfgrs to approve a paddle and then charge more if they want their logo to appear on the paddle. All of the paddle mfgrs currently on the sunset list have already announced replacement paddles - with discounts if you can provide proof of purchase. I'm sure you feel like you're being part of the solution but you're just part of the problem. I want a mfgr that occasionally gets caught pushing the limits of design - it shows they are trying to give their players an edge - isn't that what we all want? I just wish the paddles lasted longer - but that cuts into mfgr profits and That is the hill we need to fight on, IMO.
You either didn’t watch the video, or you struggle with comprehension. Moving the goal posts and making arbitrary rules is the issue I called out, and I said verbatim that I want manufacturers to still be able to innovate and create technology without having the fear of negative repercussions from the USAP arbitrarily changing rules AFTER having already approved paddles. And to correct your speeding analogy, it would be more like holding a city responsible for allowing cars to not have seatbelts, then changing the law to require seatbelts and fining the consumers. And you know what? When legislation on vehicles changes, usually older cars that do not meet new requirements are grandfathered in. Like classic cars without airbags or seatbelts, or older diesel trucks that do not meet arbitrary environmental regulations.
@@dinkinganddrivingUSAP modifies the 'official' rules of pickleball once a year - for the past 4 years, there have been a minimum of 73 Rule modification/changes - and you want to make an issue of trying to keep up paddle standards with mfgr innovations? This isn't like CRBN-gate or when they caught Joola misrepresenting what they submitted - USAP is allowing the paddles to be used in tournaments for 6 months. Non-tournament players - which the vast majority of players are - can use them as long as they want. If I wanted to complain, I have a Beta Ripple that is USAP approved and I've not been allowed to use it in tournaments because the tournament director has said it violates 2e2. How is that fair? Here is a solution to stop USAP from tweaking paddle standards - ban everything but wooden paddles for tournament play. No innovation = no new rules.
From Mr. Average 65 yr old 4.0 player playing with Mod TA and how I’m effected, not the pros. I play mostly recreation with a few tournaments a year. Even though I am athletic for my age, I play the Mod so I don’t have to swing as hard and hurt myself. It’s not to over power my opponents. Although I understand what the controlling entity is trying to do, moving the bar to frequently with what seems to be inadequate communication trickles down from the pro level into the consumer market. To give a simple example…after last weeks change in rules, the league I play in is now looking at following these rule changes. And even though I can afford a new paddle, I don’t want someone telling me I can’t use my fairly new $300 paddle that I don’t hit hard enough to break. On your comment about manufacturers pushing the envelope…that’s what they are suppose to do. Research and developing new technology to continually improve. Don’t forget, a manufacturer will only produce what the majority of consumers want or they will go out of business. We all have different opinions about the game is too fast or slow and there will always be an answer for both wether it’s the paddle you use or who you play with. Bottom line, I don’t think changing rules too frequently or too quickly without great communication to all involved is good for the sport. Let the sport breathe and evolve. The consumer, wether watching pros or playing will ultimately guide the sport. If we don’t let that happen, the sport will suffer.
From Mr. Average 65 yr old 4.0 player playing with Mod TA and how I’m effected, not the pros. I play mostly recreation with a few tournaments a year. Even though I am athletic for my age, I play the Mod so I don’t have to swing as hard and hurt myself. It’s not to over power my opponents. Although I understand what the controlling entity is trying to do, moving the bar to frequently with what seems to be inadequate communication trickles down from the pro level into the consumer market. To give a simple example…after last weeks change in rules, the league I play in is now looking at following these rule changes. And even though I can afford a new paddle, I don’t want someone telling me I can’t use my fairly new $300 paddle that I don’t hit hard enough to break. On your comment about manufacturers pushing the envelope…that’s what they are suppose to do. Research and developing new technology to continually improve. Don’t forget, a manufacturer will only produce what the majority of consumers want or they will go out of business. We all have different opinions about the game is too fast or slow and there will always be an answer for both wether it’s the paddle you use or who you play with. Bottom line, I don’t think changing rules too frequently or too quickly without great communication to all involved is good for the sport. Let the sport breathe and evolve. The consumer, wether watching pros or playing will ultimately guide the sport. If we don’t let that happen, the sport will suffer.
You knew that paddle should have been illegal the minute you hit it. Plays exactly like a delamination. USAP did exactly the right thing.
Well that’s not true, but you’re entitled to your opinion.
As stated in the video, and in many comments, it’s not about the paddle. It’s about creating arbitrary rules after having already approved paddles. Mod is not the only paddle impacted.
Its the first paddle I have ever bought - I liked it after trying various paddles. I am inexperienced and had no idea about the 'controversies' until I saw it on a youtube channel.
@@dinkinganddriving you're right, it's not like a delaminated paddle, it's actually better. It has the power of one, yet is still controllable on dinks and resets. I get you're salty you wasted money, but the paddle was cheater paddle from day one because I myself went up a full 0.5 dupr playing with one.
@ it was my second paddle. Loved the feel of it, not just the power aspect.
@juice1837 I’m not salty and I didn’t waste my money. I retuned the paddle and got a different new paddle from a different brand. I don’t think most will be as fortunate, though.
This frustration isn’t about the mod, it’s around the lack of consistency and clarity with the rules. I actually played objectively worse with the mod because I was less consistent. In a drilling session I hit about 70% of my drives in with it, and about 90% in with a much softer paddle.
The flip side to that was I could drop from the baseline very easily with the mod, and that other paddle went into the net quite often.
Great pod on this topic that's been going around. Since putting 16mm cores in a 15mm mold, Joola has no credibilty in my book.
USAPA is on a mission to make BIG PICKLE about money. The approval fees and the newer advertising fees are a pure money grab.
I'm a Rec only guy, so they'll have to pull my GB PPE from my cold dead hands. My MOD KILLER!
Haha yes there are definitely a lot of “business decisions” happening with how fast this sport is growing.
Glad you are still able to use the paddle you enjoy!
From Mr. Average 65 yr old 4.0 player playing with Mod TA and how I’m effected, not the pros. I play mostly recreation with a few tournaments a year. Even though I am athletic for my age, I play the Mod so I don’t have to swing as hard and hurt myself. It’s not to over power my opponents. Although I understand what the controlling entity is trying to do, moving the bar to frequently with what seems to be inadequate communication trickles down from the pro level into the consumer market. To give a simple example…after last weeks change in rules, the league I play in is now looking at following these rule changes. And even though I can afford a new paddle, I don’t want someone telling me I can’t use my fairly new $300 paddle that I don’t hit hard enough to break or injure someone . On your comment about manufacturers pushing the envelope…that’s what they are suppose to do. Research and developing new technology to continually improve. Don’t forget, a manufacturer will only produce what the majority of consumers want or they will go out of business. We all have different opinions about the game is too fast or slow and there will always be an answer for both wether it’s the paddle you use or who you play with. Bottom line, I don’t think changing rules too frequently or too quickly without great communication to all involved is good for the sport. Let the sport breathe and evolve. The consumer, wether watching pros or playing will ultimately guide the sport. If we don’t let that happen, the sport will suffer.
A majority of consumers don’t have to want or buy a paddle for it to be successful or for them to make money off of it. A majority of consumers are against roided out paddles. If you want to play your rec games with a Mod or a Vice, no sanctioning body is going to stop you.
@mbr05c Keep coming with the low IQ comments.
@@mbr05cSo if consumers don’t buy paddles, the manufacturers still make money. Where do they get their income? Please explain.
I like your option 3 as there is a big lack of transparency since the first paddlegate with CRBN. USAP has been hidding for years, which lead to the UPA-A being formed (which is not good for the sport)
I appreciate your thoughts. I’m relatively new to pickleball so I wasn’t aware of the history, but that makes a lot of sense.
I agree with you completely. However, I am also extremely dissatisfied with Joola as I bought my Mod 15A in late November. I really expect to have a full refund or a swap. Otherwise, I will never buy Joola again.
I understand this take. I steered clear when I exchanged my mod and went with a different brand. I’m not particularly upset with them, but I felt their response was weak. That combined with the mixed reviews I’ve heard on their quality control has definitely left me open to new brands.
These paddles are core crushed out of the box or certainly after they are "broken in" unfortunately many owners of them are in denial. USAP definitely dropped the ball in approving these in the 1st place but Joola bears some responsibility for crushing the core during manufacturing
Mine was not core crushed and never got to that point. It sounded different than the other mods that friends had purchased - mine was not as deep of a muted sound when impacting the ball.
My friend did Crush his core within a week of purchase and we could hear it crumple when compressing it with our hands, however we could never replicate that with mine. Maybe I was just lucky? Not sure. But the variance in quality control is a known issue for Joola.
Where I feel your argument doesn’t hold water is that the paddles are being sunset and not banned until July 2025. A higher level player, ones that play tournaments, are going to burn through their paddle before July 2025, and will need a new paddle before then. For a less competitive player that doesn’t play in tournaments, the ban has little relevance.
Appreciate the thoughtful response. That may be the case for some, but other clubs and rec facilities are also implementing these rules as well. There is also a stigma around playing with paddles that are deemed too powerful for professional use (which is understandable). Again, the issue isn’t as much around updating the rules as much as it is around how arbitrary the rules seem to be. Somebody randomly decided that a certain level of power is too much. Now there are a lot of people who bought legal paddles having to figure out what to do next.
joola came up with the mod prescisely because usap has previously approved it .. i can see more lawsuits coming up 😂😢
It will be interesting to see what happens for sure!
@The1960musicman
I think you are responding to my post. If not please forgive me, but if you are thank you. I appreciate your fairness/power in play.
I wish I had done my research before responding to Matt's video. I have a clearer understanding of the issue.
First 2023 September USPA approved the Gen 3 paddle for play. June 2024 new testing and the paddle was delisted for play. July 1 MOD approved for play. July 2024 Joola filed lawsauit for Gen 3 paddles. Not that USPA changed standards. But weather it had the right to delist the paddle from play.
So what changed? A new form testing called th Pickelball Coefficient of Restitution. I asked Matt how long has this testing been around, I think he said, awhile. 2024 Q4 is when the testing started and USPA has all along been working with manufactures to keep them informed of the standards for this new testing.
Second. Joola has taken responsible for this mistake. The Propulsion Core system in the MOD is the same core system in Gen 3.
Third. Im sorry you feel as though the governing body of pickleball does not have a right to tell you what paddle you can or can not use tourament play. I appreciate the Standards and Intergity USPA has provided for many years.
Last. The reason why I play the paddle I play is for the power they provide. Probably the main reason people started buying the MOD.
Funny, what about the other paddles that are delisted. Should they not be gradfathered in as well?
I'm 57 and a 4.0 rec player.
Thanks for your time
I Play with whatever I want. If Someone doesn't "approve" TS
Tough guy alert! Watch out people!
💯 uspa obviously dont have their required standards after the fact they have already approved it.
Including myself, ive played with a while court of MODS and we have amazing games. Then majority of people with other paddles still destroy me. In my opinion the games are all subjective. If you dont have skills and touch with any paddle theres not much to say about that.
That has been my experience as well. I play with a lot of very skilled players, and none of them complain or are scared of my mod. They all appreciate that they get to increase their defense against harder hits.
Solid points made.
usap should do better than imposing stupid paddle rules which everyone knows only favor certain manufacturer/s 😢😮😂
Someone had to say it!
I feel like that it is a fault from both sides: USAP from delisting something that they pass, again. It will lower their credibility overtime. Joola from knowing that USAP will be enforcing PbCoR soon and they still sell the MOD regardless of how this will affect the consumers. I have played against MOD users, which take some time to adjust, but any higher level players will be adjusted to it. I bought a MOD myself and I like the paddle as i can use it for different shots (much easier to reset and better counter).
Agreed. And the more I dive in and look at joola’s response the more I feel like there was cooperation behind the scenes which is a bad look for Joola.
Nice video buddy:)
Thanks for the support hombre!
Got an email from Joola today that says you can get 50% off the Pro 4 coming out in March if you purchased a Mod before March 1st (previously it was Nov 1st 2024 - March 1st 2025 so it's more consumer-friendly now). I own two Mods and will purchase at least one of the Pro 4's. I stopped using the Mod when the USAP decision came out because the Mod is a cheat code on the court. The game is more fun when you don't have to worry about injuring others or getting hurt yourself.
I think Joola handled it as well as they could have. USAP absolutely needs to do better and be more transparent. They are clearly over their heads with the changes in paddle technology and need to hire smarter people. I do hope Joola wins the lawsuit against USAP because they've been shafted by them twice now.
I appreciate the dialogue and agree that the USAP (and other governing bodies) are not doing a great job handling the innovation in technology!
Couple thoughts: 1. You’re forgetting that this is complicated by both sides suing each other already (ongoing) 2. The Mod-TA breaks within a few weeks and is no longer within spec (becomes nonconforming) It basically bans itself! 3. It’s actually still legal for 6 more months, and would need to be replaced by then anyway due to excessive wear/loss of grit on the face
Appreciate the response - however I’m not sure what the lawsuit has to do with anything… I should have done a better job of stating that this video is not about any specific paddle, it’s about USA Pickleball making up arbitrary rules as they go along. This time it happened to impact joola (as well as gearbox and others).
And the fact that these thoughts are paddle agnostic also answers your second thought as well.
And while I have heard a lot about mods breaking quickly, that has not been the case for me and I swing very hard. It did impact a friend of mine though and he purchased his paddle after I did. Sounds like inconsistent QC.
All of this happened in baseball/softball 20 years ago. One manufacturer, found away to bring power inside of the current standards. The MOD TA, works inside of the mechanical loophole, even though it should of never been allowed, it did slip by USAPA. With that, Joola absolutely knew what they were doing and the MOD gets its full 18 months of legality. what has happened is now you open the door to other manufacturers to exploit that same loop pole and if you don’t stop it this sport is gonna go downhill quickly. The Pros complained a ton about the mod, it isnt just rec players.
I dont mind drives and serves off the mod ta. Its fhe little flick at the net that has impossible spin and power that no other paddle creates. We all know it. Its a slippery slope that now has some tracfion sand on it.
You know what came next in baseball? Counterfeiting an illegal bat to be a legal one, or doctoring a legal bat to be illegal internally. Plenty of companies could of followed suit and didnt. Some might call this the highroad. Some might call it lagging behind.
Enjoy the MOD while its legal.
Thanks for the thoughtful response and for contributing to the dialogue!
I think the grandfathering option addresses that issue in a way that doesn’t hurt consumers as much, but still allows rules to be refined and adjusted appropriately.
It’s likely a part of growing pains of a sport in a rapid growth phase, but I still think the USPA should be more transparent and proactive in communication around the standards.
I have both black ace & the mod. Black ace has absolutely no power or pop, so why the ban? What's the difference when someone adds weights to "modify"? The paddles were approved for a while now.
The so-called super paddles are showing up more and more in rec play. When enough injuries occur, PB will go the way of racquetball.
If the rec game is not protected, then how does anyone make a profit? Who buys, plays, or watches PB? How long was USAPA too wait before making a correction? I personally applaud them. At 60, I refuse to play against super paddles in my rec play.
It’s not about making a correction, it’s about how they made it - which was arbitrarily without any data to back up the change.
I understand your concern with safety - and that is a fair concern to have… but limiting the paddle will not be very helpful in protecting you against fast and powerful (and potentially reckless) players. Playing with others that are a similar skill level and athletic level is your best bet no matter what!
can generate more power with any control paddle on the market than any 60 year old can with a “super paddle.”
Appreciate your perspective!
I am glad that you did this video. UASP is stifling the manufacturers of Pickleball paddles and they are stifling the growth of the game. There actions of banning popular paddles kills innovation and the manufacturers wanting to take a chance by pushing the envelope so to speak in making new innovative paddles. It seems to me that the USAP caved into what the cowards wanted. A paddle should not be banned because not all can control or wield it's power. That is part of the fun of owning and playing with a power paddle. I also for one do not like some of the rules that take away a person creative thinking in playing the game. for instance; a person having a paddle in each hand when receiving the ball should be legal so a person does not have to swap hands with a single individual paddle. The USAP needs new fresh blood to help them make the rules of the sport to grow the sport. Out with the Old thinking and in with the new thinking. I could use a new job. :) I bought 2 Gearbox Elongated Pro Power pickleball paddles which I think are the best paddles that Gearbox has made to date and even make suggestions for a 14mm widebody pickleball paddle with the same materials and SST core design as the Gearbox Elongated Pro Power pickleball paddle which I know now will never happen. I am not interested in the 16mm Ultra hyper pickleball paddle. And I agree USAP should be accountable as they also said the Gearbox Elongated Pro Power pickleball paddle were approved and now they delisted them.
Thanks for adding to the dialogue! You have some great points in there!
This is a silly video. Could USAP have done better in this new power paddle era? Of course. But we also have to understand that pickleball is still a relatively new game (at least in terms of growth and development) and thus with that comes growing pains. One of which is this technology race to optimize paddle performance. It’s understandable that as companies and consumers during this time, governing bodies will need to adjust/hone regulations to ensure equitable and balanced play for the future of the sport.
You sound like someone who is very patient and understanding (with poor taste in TH-cam videos haha). Appreciate your opinion - I am not willing to be as understanding towards an organization whose sole existence is to accomplish the things you mentioned. But is it worth getting overly worked up about? Probably not.
$300 for a paddle that comes core crushed its stupid
I’d agree that wouldn’t be smart.
My mod core was never crushed, and the gearbox pro didn’t have core crushing issues that I’m aware of and it was still banned.
The Mod TA ruins the game. While I agree us pickleball should be better in not approving it and then delisting. It is best for the game. Played for 6 years at a nigh level and the game is less fun with too much power
Appreciate the comment! I don’t disagree. I generate enough power on my own, I just want the rules and processes to make sense and be transparent!
NOPE. That’s a hard screw you. 65-69% of the players don’t want these paddles in the game. The polls have been repeated several times over. You’re a DOUCHE for playing with a Mod. The biggest problem is that they didn’t do it sooner and didn’t stop this from the get go. That being said, they need to put the foot down on companies exploiting loopholes to go outside the accepted parameters that make the game worse. Paddles that people use today are NOTHING like wooden tennis racquets. That comparison is awful. That’s like saying everyone needs to go back to the original wood paddles. No one thinks that. No one wants that. The paddles having parameters doesn’t stop you from being athletic.
That’s a pretty aggressive comment from a guy who is afraid of getting hit with a wiffle ball too hard. I hope you feel tough calling strangers on the internet names. Thanks for engaging!
Well said. Very thoughtful solutions and recommendations moving ahead for the sport
Appreciate that, and I hope this helps spark a conversation for some positive change.
To you sir, I diagree more than i agree with you. My questions to you are. Is this a new form of testing? Did USPA have guidelines a paddles had to stay within to be approved? If pros are complaining about the issue as well, why are you making it about the rec player?
I'm thinking USPA is thinking more about the rec player than anything else, Safety. The pros can the advantages the paddle provides.
I don't think grandma can.
Last point, Joola has offered to right the wrong of USPA if you can say that.
Just my thoughts.
The form of testing has been around, but they are capping the level of deflection at a new lower standard.
Again, like many others in the comments, you seem to misunderstand the points made in the video. Rules are fine, but the amendment process is what is broken in this scenario. They approved these paddles knowing full well what they were capable of, and now have set new standards without any clarity as to how and why they have come up with these new standards. Anything over a .44 pbcor measurement is now illegal (which I believe is what the mod tested at according to rumors). So a .43 pbcor measurement is going to be legal… so a .01 change will all of a sudden make paddles safe? Seems pretty unrealistic to me.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Thanks for the response. No i did not miss you meaning.
Pushing the small paddle companies out with the huge approval fees is NOT helping Rec players. IMO.
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Thats not the USPA.Thats the PPA.
$300 for a freaking $10 toy is ridiculous I'm not suckered into that
This guy ain’t no fool! Nice try joola. Not today.
@@dinkinganddriving I Bought a "knock off" for 22 bucks.
@ does it play well?
Why are you blaming usap?
Well… watching the video would probably answer the question.
@@dinkinganddriving they are trying to make the game safer for everyone. You can still use the mod ta nobody stopping you. You just can't use it in their sanctioned tournaments. I watched the video you asking for a full refund or 100% discount. That's ridiculous. Joola 50% offer is fair. You should see what prokennex and gearbox offer.
@ I offered that as a potential solution for banning a paddle that was previous approved.
They arbitrarily set a limit without any specific reason for pbcor numbers after having already approved these paddles. That is what the gripe is about.
And there are rec leagues that are also banning these paddles now due to the USAP decision. Those are non sanctioned events at local clubs.
@@dinkinganddriving More non sanctioned leagues and some clubs are getting on board I'm hearing.
I pretty much couldn't disagree more. USAP have sunset the Joolas and, based on the typical life of the paddles, tournament players will wear them out sooner than the sunset date - and rec players who do not wear them out can keep using them. Don't blame the manufacturers for pushing the envelope - blame them for making paddles that wear out so quickly. Make a paddle that doesn't lose spin in 4 months! As for making USAP responsible for refunds when they catch a mfgr exceeding the limits - that's like making a city responsible for speeding fines because car mfgrs make cars that go too fast. You sound like a UPAA proponent - just charge the crap out of mfgrs to approve a paddle and then charge more if they want their logo to appear on the paddle. All of the paddle mfgrs currently on the sunset list have already announced replacement paddles - with discounts if you can provide proof of purchase. I'm sure you feel like you're being part of the solution but you're just part of the problem. I want a mfgr that occasionally gets caught pushing the limits of design - it shows they are trying to give their players an edge - isn't that what we all want? I just wish the paddles lasted longer - but that cuts into mfgr profits and That is the hill we need to fight on, IMO.
You either didn’t watch the video, or you struggle with comprehension. Moving the goal posts and making arbitrary rules is the issue I called out, and I said verbatim that I want manufacturers to still be able to innovate and create technology without having the fear of negative repercussions from the USAP arbitrarily changing rules AFTER having already approved paddles.
And to correct your speeding analogy, it would be more like holding a city responsible for allowing cars to not have seatbelts, then changing the law to require seatbelts and fining the consumers. And you know what? When legislation on vehicles changes, usually older cars that do not meet new requirements are grandfathered in. Like classic cars without airbags or seatbelts, or older diesel trucks that do not meet arbitrary environmental regulations.
@@dinkinganddrivingUSAP modifies the 'official' rules of pickleball once a year - for the past 4 years, there have been a minimum of 73 Rule modification/changes - and you want to make an issue of trying to keep up paddle standards with mfgr innovations? This isn't like CRBN-gate or when they caught Joola misrepresenting what they submitted - USAP is allowing the paddles to be used in tournaments for 6 months. Non-tournament players - which the vast majority of players are - can use them as long as they want. If I wanted to complain, I have a Beta Ripple that is USAP approved and I've not been allowed to use it in tournaments because the tournament director has said it violates 2e2. How is that fair? Here is a solution to stop USAP from tweaking paddle standards - ban everything but wooden paddles for tournament play. No innovation = no new rules.
From Mr. Average 65 yr old 4.0 player playing with Mod TA and how I’m effected, not the pros. I play mostly recreation with a few tournaments a year. Even though I am athletic for my age, I play the Mod so I don’t have to swing as hard and hurt myself. It’s not to over power my opponents. Although I understand what the controlling entity is trying to do, moving the bar to frequently with what seems to be inadequate communication trickles down from the pro level into the consumer market. To give a simple example…after last weeks change in rules, the league I play in is now looking at following these rule changes. And even though I can afford a new paddle, I don’t want someone telling me I can’t use my fairly new $300 paddle that I don’t hit hard enough to break. On your comment about manufacturers pushing the envelope…that’s what they are suppose to do. Research and developing new technology to continually improve. Don’t forget, a manufacturer will only produce what the majority of consumers want or they will go out of business. We all have different opinions about the game is too fast or slow and there will always be an answer for both wether it’s the paddle you use or who you play with. Bottom line, I don’t think changing rules too frequently or too quickly without great communication to all involved is good for the sport. Let the sport breathe and evolve. The consumer, wether watching pros or playing will ultimately guide the sport. If we don’t let that happen, the sport will suffer.
From Mr. Average 65 yr old 4.0 player playing with Mod TA and how I’m effected, not the pros. I play mostly recreation with a few tournaments a year. Even though I am athletic for my age, I play the Mod so I don’t have to swing as hard and hurt myself. It’s not to over power my opponents. Although I understand what the controlling entity is trying to do, moving the bar to frequently with what seems to be inadequate communication trickles down from the pro level into the consumer market. To give a simple example…after last weeks change in rules, the league I play in is now looking at following these rule changes. And even though I can afford a new paddle, I don’t want someone telling me I can’t use my fairly new $300 paddle that I don’t hit hard enough to break. On your comment about manufacturers pushing the envelope…that’s what they are suppose to do. Research and developing new technology to continually improve. Don’t forget, a manufacturer will only produce what the majority of consumers want or they will go out of business. We all have different opinions about the game is too fast or slow and there will always be an answer for both wether it’s the paddle you use or who you play with. Bottom line, I don’t think changing rules too frequently or too quickly without great communication to all involved is good for the sport. Let the sport breathe and evolve. The consumer, wether watching pros or playing will ultimately guide the sport. If we don’t let that happen, the sport will suffer.
@ I agree 100%. Thank you for the anecdote and thoughtful response!