Jodi’s torture was horrific but I find it even scarier that she was “training” others to go out and teach these same techniques. The church paid her for therapy sessions with those who could not afford it. Totally disgusting! I don’t want Jodi or Ruby to ever be around these children again BUT is their another army of “ therapists” doing or prepared to do the same thing??
Yea that is so terrifying! What she did and how many people did she train and the church allowing and aiding it. When they got alarming info from people the bishop tips off the abuser is crazy
There are parents out there, trained by Jodie and Ruby treating their kids the same way. The people who went to their program need to be looked up and investigated by all CPS around the county.
Can’t imagine restraining child by applying duct tape. And then resulting in injury and doing it over and over again. What kind of mind does that? Danger to society.
They say inmates don't like other inmates who have harmed children. I know this sounds bad. But hopefully the other inmates will show Jodi how much they disapprove of how she treated those kids.
There is a law though that says the maximum is actually 30 years if the crimes are similar the DA said. He said they can’t give more than 30 years even though 15 x 4 is 60. That’s why they dropped 2 charges because it was like 30 years in the max
Jesse articulates so well! Her expression of the importance of perpetrator accountability for victim healing is spot on. She would make a great advocate to illicit legislative reforms against these soft on crime proponents. I would agree with a max sentence for Jodi. For Ruby, maybe around 20 years. By that time the children will be well into adulthood and hopefully better equipped to choose whether or not they want a relationship with her and have support systems in place to help them.
I'm glad if Hildebrandt gets the max. She deserves it. Seeing Jessi talking about it again broke my heart. The suffering that women left behind is horrific. Thank you for keeping us updated with all the news Peter! Have a great weekend.
Yes, and Hildebrandt has so many others outside of the Ruby family damaged for life too, broken up many marriages too, telling those wives there husbands where very bad etc.. She did a lot more over many years that was very evil. I heard two victims of her on TH-cam One Male and this Jessi in a longer video.. 60 years is very justified!
@@virtuserable their lawyers know how to play the "game" of Utah sentencing, and I think they're banking on Ruby and Jodi being model / exemplary prisoners... on top of the fact that most prisoners in Utah only do about 40% of any indicated sentence. Sadly, for 2nd degree felonies, including 2d degree murder, sentencing can be surprisingly mild for prisoners who behave well.... especially if it's their first offense.
Jessi Hildebradt is a very well spoken, intelligent and beautiful young lady. I think she feels a bond towards Ruby Franke's children. They share being abused by the same monster. I hope oneday Jessi can meet Ruby Franke's children I think she can help them heal she radiates a good healing power!
Yes and she too suffered a lot of the same punishments, she was just older, but clearly still recovering…it will affect them for life. She would be able to relate so well to the children and I also believe she would be a huge help in their recovery, her own included. Jodi is a monster snd deserves to be locked away for life !
She has done a fantastic job of recovery .it's amazing to see that after what she has been through .an to be brave enough to speak her truth . As sad as it is . Horrible abuse 😭
Personally, I'm glad that she's looking like she'll never be able to abuse anyone ever again BUT I also think the MOTHER should get just as long if not longer than Jody. It was RUBY'S job to PROTECT her kids, not abuse them.
There is NO therapist that could make me abuse my kids! Ruby is responsible. Also, the abuse was happening before Jody came along. At least that's what I hear.
Yes, me too, from other victims that have been interviewed. She has destroyed so, many, many, families over the years …that’s what her MO was . The LDS church used to refer couples to her and she would then completely destroy any chance a marriage may have had, by manipulating the female, separating them and isolating the wife from the husband. She is a very cunning and conniving manipulator. She has NO intention of helping families she was just into destroying them mentally and emotionally…..she deserves to be locked away for life. That’s without even starting on these horrific charges of the torture she put these por children through, and her OWN daughter ! I truly don’t understand how she was able to manipulate Ruby to the point that she was openly willing to HARM her own children in every possible way……she was very tough over the top in her “punishments” for her children but this is something WAY beyond the unbelievable things she used to openly put on her channel. I don’t understand how she got away with what she did for so many years to start with !
Ruby was abusing her children WAY BEFORE JODI !!!!! Ruby NEEDS the same sentence as jodi 60 years OR MORE !! You can see on all her videos 🤬🤬🤬🤬 Ruby enjoy hurting her children she laughed & Smiled about it ! Please put Ruby in prison 60 years or like I said more time !!! RUBY DIDN'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO JODI ! RUBY KNEW EXACTLY WHAT SHE WAS DOING TO HER CHILDREN 💀☠️💀☠️💀☠️🤬🤬🤬
I heard the prosecutors say that there was a 30 year cap, so that's why he was comfortable dismissing 2 charges because they could only get up to 30 years there not more.
@user-du3dz9rt1w yea and to be fair to jessi and the prosecutors jessi spoke to they said they expect the maximum, which doesn't say there isn't a cap on that. Not sure if jessi even knew about the cap I heard it in a little press thing they did I think after jodi took her plea.
I was in a similar situation as a child. My mother was a lot like Ruby. It was very triggering to watch and hear what her and Jodi did. Horrible people!! I hope those kids are able to heal and find happiness. I finally got that happiness after I had two son’s and got to raise them into fine young men.❤
@@froggreen2067 Yes…because I didn’t repeat the cycle like my younger sister did. My younger brother never had kids and my oldest brother is on his 4th marriage. :0( That’s why it bothers me so much people don’t realize the lifelong consequences of mistreating young children especially by their own parents.
?? They say 60 years but research in Utah shows max in these charges is 30 years total even if they charge 70 30 is the max. Also Jody’s house is just listed on Zella’s for 5.3 million. They show all the pics including the safe room jail the kids were in.
I feel she needs to be accountable for what she did to all of the families she harmed. She doesn’t need to get a slap on the wrist because she will come out and do it all over again. Thank you so much for all of you do for this channel and all of us!
I think it should be 60 years. She was in a position of trust as a therapist, what she did to others is simply unforgivable. Ruby, on the other hand, is the mother. she should also get at least 20 years so those children are at least adults by the time she's released. That should give them some sense of security.
@@CherrrrBear the mom doesn't have the history Jody has for ruining marriages and children's lives. Plus Rudy doesn't have a license in therapy so much less opportunity to do damage, only to her kids.
Certainly hope Ruby Frankie gets a maximum sentence as well, make sure her kids are all grown up and she cant hurt them again. The father should also be held accountable by the law.
Depends on the statute of limitations. Some states give you 3 years after you turn 18. Some have changed it to 20 years. That took years of survivors testifying, rallying support and going to their state representatives to get a bill passed.
I hope she does get a max sentence!! But it’s wild to me that comparable offenses get so little time. Sexual abuse of minors or adults never get those kinds of sentences. Sentencing feels messed up in this country.
With her being a cult(ish) leader who was recommend by the church and her emotional body count I can see why she would get such extreme sentencing by numbers alone. There are laws on the books that need to be altered but there are worse places for releasing dangerous people out there.
What she did is SA. Trying to brainwash children into thinking they are pedos, sex addicts, and sexual deviants is SA. In fact, the mental grooming process within csa is often the most damaging. Thats why you can go to jail for planning and to have sex with a minor, without actually doing it.
7:44 I heard another lawyer say the max total consecutive sentence in that state was 30 years unless certain crimes are included, and that exception doesn’t apply here.
that's right... the statutory cap for stacked 2nd degree felonies is 30 years. Unfortunately there's a lot of misinformation out there, and I assume Jessi just misinterpreted what she was told. Also, even if she gets a 30 year sentence, Utah prisoners generally only serve 40% of an indicated sentence.
@@lisapilkington87 I also noticed that... I don't know why people keep talking about 60 years. Also people need to be aware that there are periodic follow-up hearings w the parole board, and the sentence can be cut back at any point in a subsequent parole board proceeding. Assuming there are no behavior issues or any other problems while serving their sentences, Utah prisoners can expect to serve only about 40% of an indicated sentence.
Imho, I think that a sixty year sentence is warranted in this case. The abuse and trauma that these children had to endure will be with them for the rest of their lives (or at least that is my personal experience from the CA and CSA that I endured as a child). Even with years of therapy, EMDR, survivors workshops, etc. it is something that you never fully heal from. Thank you Peter for continuing to cover this case. I hope that everyone has a wonderful weekend. 💗
60 sounds good. The damage she bestowed upon those kids who have to live with the reality of what they experienced can't be erased. I pray for the strength of each child to heal throughout their lives. No mercy.
I’m hearing from different places that 30 years is the max Jodi can receive. I do believe she knows her life, as she knew it, is over. I don’t look to see her ever be out of state prison.
I started watching lawyers on TH-cam around the time the Britney Spears stuff was getting into the swing. Obviously, I mainly watched EDB. I became aware of you, LYK, when you were invited on some of the group live streams for Rittenhouse and JDvHeard. I was following many in the groups, but over time, as everyone develops their own thing, & I started to work again, I honed down my list I watch. I say this because, I wanted to let you know that you are now becoming the one and only lawyer that I look to on a daily basis to breakdown the stuff in the news. Every month, you just get better and better with your presentation. It's been such a pleasure to watch you grow and come into your own. Here's to a fantastic 2024, with more of the same! THANK YOU!
@@pdquestions7673that’s what I was thinking as well, but I hope Ruby and Jodi both get the max they can possibly get. I knew there would be a cap, but didn’t know what it was for Utah.
@@monyka116 yep. She'll do time, of course, and it won't be easy for her. But if she's a model prisoner (which I think her attys are banking on), she shouldn't do more than 40% of the indicated sentence, and there are ways to get it even lower if she really does demonstrate "rehabilitation" in the eyes of the parole board. On the other hand, if she has a melt down or can't handle prison life, or if she gets in a fight and shows her sadism in the form of any "acting out," the state could bring assault charges against her, and that would keep her in prison for a lot longer. It's all just a question of the politics of the parole boards, and Jodi's ability to really behave herself on the inside.
@@pdquestions7673that is interesting so it could be more like 18 years with good behaviour. I always thought the sentencing in the US seemed really long compared to Europe but hadn't realised you had capps and significant reductions for good behaviour.
Jodi built a jail cell under her basement that had a 5 pin VAULT door that only opened from the outside (her house went up for listing and you can see pics there). She also had a full surveillance setup and those recordings are something prosecutor could use against her. when you stack up the additional survivors testimonies, video evidence, and account for the Mens rea one must have to build a prison into your home....the evidence is overwhelming.
True crime fans have watched several podcast about the crimes committed by Jodi Hildebrandt against children and this case did not get swept under the rug. Justice is coming for the children and all victims who have suffered from her brutality.
I thought one of the prosecutors said that the cumulative max was 30 years? That was one of the reasons they agreed to drop 2 of the charges in the plea. Either way, I think both women should be locked up until the youngest victim is an adult at the minimum. They deserve longer, but in the very least I don't want any of those kids in a situation where they're obligated to be in the same room as their torturers.
Jessie Hildebrant gives us another incredibly informative and personal interview. Thanks Jessie for all of their openness. They are awesome, beautiful, intelligent, warm, and giving.
Ruby considered her kids getting food from the kitchen as “STEALING” and would punish them for it! If you notice other abuse and death cases (e.g., Van Der Ark) it’s a common theme that the abusive/murderous parents consider eating food as stealing.
Hello Peter... Replay here.. I had to work due to sickness. I'm glad Jesse is healing more and more due to this case. She deserves her closure for what was done to her. I hope she gets the Maximum sentence allowed.
YES! Hope it comes to fruition. Both Jody and Ruby deserve the maximum. They certainly did not start off small. These crimes are horrific and brutal and have life altering consequences on the victims. They should rot in the same hell they put these children through. RF (Ruby's son who escaped) and Jesse are SURVIVOR'S and champions for escaping such atrocities. Jesse is a very articulate, bright and beautiful young lady. I know healing is a life long process and something Ruby's children will also be facing, but it gives me great pleasure to see what a strong and bright young lady Jesse is, while the perpetrator is now where she belongs. Oh how the tables do eventually turn. I wish the same better outcome for Ruby's children (away from their father as well). Away from all the crazies and the adults who FAILED them. Victim's deserve justice but they also deserve a better existence in this world as well!
Im going 20-30 for jodi. 5 -10 for ruby. Ruby should get more time I think because they were her children. Ruby did it to her own children and permitted Jodi too also. So it seems she's more culpable.
I thought the same thing, however, Ruby seemed remorseful and Jodi just seemed stunned and still, according to her attorney, didn’t agree with some of the “facts” laid out in the agreement although she signed it. That alone makes me want Jodi to get more time but I have no sympathy for Ruby! She was a horrible mother before Jodi entered the picture. 😒
@@JackieOlanternI dunno…I felt like Ruby was trying to place all the blame on Jodi and not take responsibility for her part. Ruby & Jodi seemed like 2 peas in a pod & just not sure I believe Ruby was as naive as she claims.
@@axemangang1584 i think it will be interesting to see what happens at the 5 year parole board hearing... after the public has basically forgotten about the case. Unless we see it coming & maintain the public awareness
I am skeptical Hildibrant will get 60 years. I guess we can hope. I would say she deserves every year she does get! I have a pretty opposite opinion than most, about Franke. I feel she has more culpability, as the children’s mother, in the abuse than Hildibrant. She had her own history of distorted parenting before Hildibrant came along and I believe she found validation in Hildibrant! It was the parent’s responsibility to protect their children (and yes I include the father), but instead she participated in the abuse and basically gave another monster access to them, willingly and freely! So many ADULTS failed those kids on so many levels and at every turn. Strangers worried about the children more than their Parents & their parents associates, more than LE, more than their church! And potentially more than maybe the law or the courts there. If there is a hero in this situation, it is the adult daughter and that little boy.
Max sentence would be 33 years. All counts have 15 year max and the count with highest max rules then the other 3 counts are reduced to 40% of the 15 year max which reduces other 3 counts to 6 years each consecutively per Utah sentencing guidelines. Uncivil did a TH-cam referring to Utah Guidelines. I’m guessing she will be out on parole around 10 to 15 years. Jessi will get lots of input at parole hearings.
When you lose your mother's protection as a child, you lose you. You can't reconcile your inner sense telling you that didn't deserve it. If your mother doesn't love you, you're worthless. The younger you are, you just don't develop after that age. If you're lucky, you'll get justice, therapy and spend the rest of your life trying to find out who you are and if you are worthy of any love. Hard enough even if you had a loving parent.
Ruby abused her children while she was exploiting thembefore she teamed up with Jodi. She needs to take full responsibility as well as the crappy father. Amazing he gets away with any responsibility to the abuse. Please watch the Dadchallengepodcast
I find it outrageous that she's getting 60 years, but at the same time the judge understood that this woman is responsible for so many broken families and hurt young children. I was thinking somewhere between 15-30 years.
Local Utahn here, I think the DA is taking into consideration how much power she had being apart of the LDS church as their recommended therapist. She [ Jodi] really took advantage of the LDS control and power in this state.
60 Years would be perfect for Jodi. I cannot say what I feel about Ruby. I ADORE Jessi; A fine human being, a strong yet sensitive survivor and a full on incredible woman! I wish her the highest and best.
If Ruby gets away with a few years, I pass out. That would mean, you connect as a weirdo to a other weirdo, who does the job for you and takes the blame. Ruby can not get away easy.
I loved what you said at the end about Jessi and where her focus lies. She has been consistent throughout from first interview to this on where her focus lies. I really admire Jessie, she is brave, strong and a great role model for victims.
Honestly, I find it hard to believe that Jodi will get 60 years. Knowing how Utah had let both Jodi AND Ruby get away with child abuse for many, many years, I would not put it past them to give Jodi a sentence of less than 10 years. And by the way: It was JODI who had plead guilty first - not Ruby! It’s just that Ruby’s plea deal got made public first. Which then makes Ruby‘s readiness to testify against Jodi nonsensical, doesn’t it?
Agreed. Will the PSI report include info regarding abusive actions that were not in the already-public documents? I just wonder what she did to those kids beyond what we already know about. I hope the judge considers those things too.
I was worried but justice will prevail in this case. Although she damaged so many lives, Life wouldn’t be enough! As far as Frankie goes I hope she gets 40 years. She (IMO) was abusing those children long before Jodi got into the picture!
Frankly, even if Jodi is in prison for the rest of her life, I'm worried about what she might 'teach' her fellow inmates. If they're mothers, and they get out and start practicing Jodi's brand of 'discipline' on their own kids--yeeeeeeck. I worry that she's a CONTAGION waiting to happen of these terrible ideas.
Ruby Franke was abusing her kids way before Jody came along. During episodes of Jody's show, the epi's filmed in Jody's house with Ruby, the kids were in the basement tied up. Ruby was well aware of what her children were going through & just didn't care.
Sixty years a possibility? About damn time. I am not a lawyer, but I was a psychologist for many years and the low sentences for these kinds of abusers is no deterrent. People can get better, but in my years of experience I never came across an abuser like this that I considered safe to be in society. We all want to believe people can change, but the truth is that for some, the combination of biology, brain chemistry, abuse in their own lives, long history of drug abuse, change is a road too long for them to travel. Yes, some people are irredeemable. Not many, but some. And I think this woman is irredeemable. Sixty years would mean she can never go after another victim. I understand she has no previous record, and that in other circumstances this would be a factor in sentencing, but I am happy to see law enforcement come down hard on this. I’ve worked with people whose children died because of meth fumes, and so much worse. Sixty years is just.
I hope this is correct. However, would the DA really disclose something like this? I think Jodi pled guilty to avoid my further investigation where even more charges could be made. Ruby was the care giver for those children, she is responsible for everything that happened to her children.
agree...find it super hard to believe the DA shared that info - especially if it's factually wrong, that she can only get 30 years not 60. Something smells off here
The prosecutor said it was capped at 30 years in his interview outside of court after Jodie's plea. This was also why they agreed to drop 2 of the charges because they made no difference to sentencing as the 30 year max applied to whether there was 6 charges or 4.
Wow! I definitely didn’t expect 60 years mostly because it doesn’t make sense to accept a plea deal for the maximum sentence. What is the “deal” part of that? Jodi certainly has harmed a lot of people so I don’t disagree with the max, just surprised she accepted the plea knowing the likely outcome .
Well, you don't take the deal because you want a lighter sentence, you take that deal because you want less charge to be make against you. Whatever you agree to plead guilty for is there, and you know you don't have the power to change the sentence as Peter said, you took the deal then you get sentence, but you take that deal, so you don't get the whole lot dumped on you. Like Jesse said, there are a lot more they can get Jodi for other than that 4 charge she plead guilty to. But yes, 60 years or 160 years, it wouldn't really make a difference in her case, I mean if she is really getting 60 for this
She can't get 60 years. Unfortunately that's misinformation. Utah has a statutory cap on stacked 2nd degree felonies of 30 years, and the same prosecutor that Jessi is citing conceded this in public. But that's not all: Even if Jodi's handed down a "30 year" sentence, Utah inmates generally only serve about 40% of the listed term. And there are subsequent parole board proceedings that could cut the sentence down even further, assuming Jodi is a model prisoner... Not that I'm happy to say all this, but we have to be realistic.
I’m so mixed. On the one hand I think Jody is responsible for potentially influencing Ruby, but in the end Ruby is the childrens mother and was responsible for their safety and well-being. It seemed to me watching some of the videos that she enjoyed punishing her children BEFORE she got involved with Jody. Really I think the real harm is in their own mother participation. I could possibly forgive someone else before I could forgive my own mother.
Being within the criminal justice system, I am very surprised at this revelation, just because of Jodi's lack of criminal history. I certainly hope Jodi gets the maximum.
@@livingmylife1955 yes maybe, but I keep hearing she is going to get or could get 60 years, which technically is true, but I think the judge will say the max for concurrent is 30 years, not sure what percentage she would have to do before being eligible for parole but I think when the parole board meets in a month or whenever Jessie said it was that is when we will find out the true sentence and how much she needs to serve before parole idk
Although I have a hard time believing she will actually be sentenced that much, Jodi absolutely deserves every MINUTE of 60 years. I am in no way pro prosecution. I will almost always lean on the side of leniency but this case is just NUTS. IMHO, this is worse than the Vallow/Daybell case. There is no doubt in my mind that she will always be a threat to society
Rewatch crew here! Your content has been the best lately! I appreciate how many cases and how often you’ve been covering these cases. I’m sure it’s incredibly time consuming. I appreciate you!
The DA said the reason they dropped the two extra charges is because even though the max is 60 years they can’t actually get more than 30 because of some law. So it didn’t matter if they dropped two. 30 is the max
I see you have another video coming up today. I heard this video and had also heard about the consecutive sentence limits being set in that state not to exceed consecutive accumulations of 30 years so can’t wait to hear your update on this one.
I hope that she would get a hefty sentence, but I’m not too familiar with the sentencing in Utah. I believe that both of these abusers have given lifelong trauma to these kids. Anyone who does these acts repeatedly can’t really have remorse. They only care about themselves & they took a plea to prevent more things being revealed, as well as charges being dropped. I wouldn’t expect more than 10 years, probably out in 7. 😭😭
Our legal system needs to take the impact of abuse as seriously as it does murder. If we stopped the cycle of abuse earlier our rates of crime would go down across the board- domestic violence, substance related, shooters, etc. All we would be left with are the psychopaths.
My issue with Ruby’s punishment is that she was clearly abusive before Judy even came into the picture. So the whole being influenced thing isn’t enough of an excuse for me to believe she was so easily manipulated. Sounds to me like she found someone who was yelling into her echo chamber and was happy to have someone on the same page as her.
The problem in Utah the sentences are actually up to the parole boards. Mark my words…. At sentencing she will get both the minimum and Maximum. 4 consecutive terms of 1-15 years! So…. She could technically serve a min of 4 years. Rather unlikely she would serve till she dies and she is around 50ish. I do think Ruby will get the same exact sentence. No way will the Judge say ie: Ruby serves 15 and Jodi serves 25, or 60, etc…
This is totally warranted, as a message needs to be sent to the Mormon community and especially other therapists doing this abusive counselling. They need to know they will get more of a life sentence to start deterring this kind of horrible abuse.
Peter, thank you for creating what I believe to be the best legal channel on TH-cam. Your integrity, and knowledge of the law shame through in every episode. Papa must be very, very proud.💜😎👍🙏
No matter what sentence ruby gets I hope she isn't allowed to be around her children until they hit legal age and decide if they want to or not.
Same here. I really hope that they're never *forced* to be around her again.
I totally agree
I'm just fearful that in someway the courts may allow kevin custody
A.B.S.O.L.U.T.E.L.Y!!! Those children need safety and healing
I hope they're done with their dad too. He's no better. I really hope they see that they are NOT evil, but that their parents are.
She gave the children a life sentence of trauma. Seems fair.
Well said 👍🏻
Agreed!
Absolutely!
Exactly
I hope the judge tells her that at sentencing!!!
Jodi’s torture was horrific but I find it even scarier that she was “training” others to go out and teach these same techniques. The church paid her for therapy sessions with those who could not afford it. Totally disgusting! I don’t want Jodi or Ruby to ever be around these children again BUT is their another army of “ therapists” doing or prepared to do the same thing??
Of course there is another army, they're called LDS or Mormons and believe in extreme child discipline.
Yea that is so terrifying! What she did and how many people did she train and the church allowing and aiding it. When they got alarming info from people the bishop tips off the abuser is crazy
There are parents out there, trained by Jodie and Ruby treating their kids the same way. The people who went to their program need to be looked up and investigated by all CPS around the county.
@@axemangang1584 Agree and all of their little trained minions need to be tracked down as well!! 😡
@@axemangang1584Let’s hope they are all keeping up with these court cases.
Being a mother and grandmother, I would never allow such extreme punishment to my children ever!
Really?? 😮🙄 like a normal person, wow.
I agree! I dealt with abuse and would never let someone harm one of ours! Mentally or physically!
@@nece58 I’m so sorry. Life can be so difficult ❤️
Can’t imagine restraining child by applying duct tape. And then resulting in injury and doing it over and over again. What kind of mind does that? Danger to society.
Then rubbing spices into the wounds 😢
Iirc, the duct tape was (also?) used instead of band-aids after the skin was hurt from the (metal) handcuffs. Not for restraining per se.
Duck tape was put on the wounds.
They were restained by something else.
A very twisted poisoned mind.
Forcing them to jump into a Cactus is pretty sick too.
I hope there’s a civil judgement for all those other victims of Jodi’s over the years.
Her 6M house is up for sale. Someone got the zillo on the interior on line.
I am sure there will be civil law suits.
I am thrilled that Jodi will never get out of jail. The damage she has done goes far beyond Ruby’s children.
She'll get out of jail likely in 20 yrs.
She will likely be out of jail in less than 10 years
They say inmates don't like other inmates who have harmed children. I know this sounds bad. But hopefully the other inmates will show Jodi how much they disapprove of how she treated those kids.
There is a law though that says the maximum is actually 30 years if the crimes are similar the DA said. He said they can’t give more than 30 years even though 15 x 4 is 60. That’s why they dropped 2 charges because it was like 30 years in the max
Agreed 💯
This was actually a relief to see they would be serious about jail time.
Same
Ruby should get the same amount of time, they did this together
Jesse articulates so well! Her expression of the importance of perpetrator accountability for victim healing is spot on. She would make a great advocate to illicit legislative reforms against these soft on crime proponents.
I would agree with a max sentence for Jodi. For Ruby, maybe around 20 years.
By that time the children will be well into adulthood and hopefully better equipped to choose whether or not they want a relationship with her and have support systems in place to help them.
I'm glad if Hildebrandt gets the max. She deserves it. Seeing Jessi talking about it again broke my heart. The suffering that women left behind is horrific. Thank you for keeping us updated with all the news Peter! Have a great weekend.
So does RUBY
Yes, and Hildebrandt has so many others outside of the Ruby family damaged for life too, broken up many marriages too, telling those wives there husbands where very bad etc.. She did a lot more over many years that was very evil. I heard two victims of her on TH-cam One Male and this Jessi in a longer video.. 60 years is very justified!
@@wendelavanbeurden3537 Exactly. She's ruined lives.
60 years sounds good to me. This was going on a lot longer than just with these kids.
Utah has a statutory cap of 30 years for stacked 2nd felonies. Sadly, there's a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding about Utah sentencing laws.
@@virtuserable their lawyers know how to play the "game" of Utah sentencing, and I think they're banking on Ruby and Jodi being model / exemplary prisoners... on top of the fact that most prisoners in Utah only do about 40% of any indicated sentence. Sadly, for 2nd degree felonies, including 2d degree murder, sentencing can be surprisingly mild for prisoners who behave well.... especially if it's their first offense.
Jessi Hildebradt is a very well spoken, intelligent and beautiful young lady. I think she feels a bond towards Ruby Franke's children. They share being abused by the same monster. I hope oneday Jessi can meet Ruby Franke's children I think she can help them heal she radiates a good healing power!
That’s a great idea. She looked so happy in this video. It really warmed my heart.
Yes and she too suffered a lot of the same punishments, she was just older, but clearly still recovering…it will affect them for life. She would be able to relate so well to the children and I also believe she would be a huge help in their recovery, her own included.
Jodi is a monster snd deserves to be locked away for life !
I think they helped her heal more than she can ever help them. She was ignored and made to live with no one believing her her whole childhood.
She has done a fantastic job of recovery .it's amazing to see that after what she has been through .an to be brave enough to speak her truth . As sad as it is . Horrible abuse 😭
Just a note, Jessi identifies as they/them :)
Personally, I'm glad that she's looking like she'll never be able to abuse anyone ever again BUT I also think the MOTHER should get just as long if not longer than Jody. It was RUBY'S job to PROTECT her kids, not abuse them.
Agreed!!!!
Ruby has been abusing her kids before Jodi was in the picture!
I was pleased to hear that Jessi is contemplating a lawsuit herself! 👍👍❤
Go for it, Jesse! We are behind you all the way!
Hi:) I know you just weren’t aware, but for future reference Jessi prefers they/them:)
There is NO therapist that could make me abuse my kids! Ruby is responsible. Also, the abuse was happening before Jody came along. At least that's what I hear.
Yes, me too, from other victims that have been interviewed. She has destroyed so, many, many, families over the years …that’s what her MO was . The LDS church used to refer couples to her and she would then completely destroy any chance a marriage may have had, by manipulating the female, separating them and isolating the wife from the husband. She is a very cunning and conniving manipulator. She has NO intention of helping families she was just into destroying them mentally and emotionally…..she deserves to be locked away for life. That’s without even starting on these horrific charges of the torture she put these por children through, and her OWN daughter ! I truly don’t understand how she was able to manipulate Ruby to the point that she was openly willing to HARM her own children in every possible way……she was very tough over the top in her “punishments” for her children but this is something WAY beyond the unbelievable things she used to openly put on her channel. I don’t understand how she got away with what she did for so many years to start with !
I suspect there was more going on btwn Ruby and Jodi than we know...
Exactly why isn’t Ruby getting the same
And Ruby has been essentially abusing her kids from what the public and TH-cam viewers could see via her channel!!!
Ruby was abusing her children WAY BEFORE JODI !!!!! Ruby NEEDS the same sentence as jodi 60 years OR MORE !! You can see on all her videos 🤬🤬🤬🤬 Ruby enjoy hurting her children she laughed & Smiled about it ! Please put Ruby in prison 60 years or like I said more time !!! RUBY DIDN'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO JODI ! RUBY KNEW EXACTLY WHAT SHE WAS DOING TO HER CHILDREN 💀☠️💀☠️💀☠️🤬🤬🤬
The prosecutor said the penalty is limited to 30 years in the press conference outside of the courthouse on the day Jodi plead guilty.
I heard the prosecutors say that there was a 30 year cap, so that's why he was comfortable dismissing 2 charges because they could only get up to 30 years there not more.
30 sounds good. Not sure she would live that long in the system.
@user-du3dz9rt1w yea and to be fair to jessi and the prosecutors jessi spoke to they said they expect the maximum, which doesn't say there isn't a cap on that. Not sure if jessi even knew about the cap I heard it in a little press thing they did I think after jodi took her plea.
Yes the prosecutors have said this and I don’t understand why the TH-camrs covering this case don’t know it was said. Lol
@lisapilkington87 yea I'm sure some have even covered the press conference they gave
@@lisapilkington87 if 30 years is the max, then yes, super surprised this lawyer would have this misleading and fake title. that's disappointing.
I was in a similar situation as a child. My mother was a lot like Ruby. It was very triggering to watch and hear what her and Jodi did. Horrible people!!
I hope those kids are able to heal and find happiness. I finally got that happiness after I had two son’s and got to raise them into fine young men.❤
Hope you are ok now❤
I am so sorry for you! Love to you!
@@froggreen2067 Yes…because I didn’t repeat the cycle like my younger sister did. My younger brother never had kids and my oldest brother is on his 4th marriage. :0(
That’s why it bothers me so much people don’t realize the lifelong consequences of mistreating young children especially by their own parents.
?? They say 60 years but research in Utah shows max in these charges is 30 years total even if they charge 70 30 is the max. Also Jody’s house is just listed on Zella’s for 5.3 million. They show all the pics including the safe room jail the kids were in.
I feel she needs to be accountable for what she did to all of the families she harmed. She doesn’t need to get a slap on the wrist because she will come out and do it all over again. Thank you so much for all of you do for this channel and all of us!
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I think it should be 60 years. She was in a position of trust as a therapist, what she did to others is simply unforgivable. Ruby, on the other hand, is the mother. she should also get at least 20 years so those children are at least adults by the time she's released. That should give them some sense of security.
Why should the mom get LESS!? They both committed these crimes together!? They both should get the same sentence in my eyes.
@@CherrrrBear the mom doesn't have the history Jody has for ruining marriages and children's lives. Plus Rudy doesn't have a license in therapy so much less opportunity to do damage, only to her kids.
No!!! Ruby was abusive to the children before her and Jodi hung out. At least that's what was shown from Ruby's 8 passengers videos.
She should never see the light of day! She has been doing this for years and to other children including her own niece.
Certainly hope Ruby Frankie gets a maximum sentence as well, make sure her kids are all grown up and she cant hurt them again. The father should also be held accountable by the law.
Could Jessie bring a civil suit against Jodi for the abuse she endured under her care?
Depends on the statute of limitations. Some states give you 3 years after you turn 18. Some have changed it to 20 years. That took years of survivors testifying, rallying support and going to their state representatives to get a bill passed.
I hope she does get a max sentence!! But it’s wild to me that comparable offenses get so little time. Sexual abuse of minors or adults never get those kinds of sentences. Sentencing feels messed up in this country.
With her being a cult(ish) leader who was recommend by the church and her emotional body count I can see why she would get such extreme sentencing by numbers alone. There are laws on the books that need to be altered but there are worse places for releasing dangerous people out there.
What she did is SA. Trying to brainwash children into thinking they are pedos, sex addicts, and sexual deviants is SA. In fact, the mental grooming process within csa is often the most damaging. Thats why you can go to jail for planning and to have sex with a minor, without actually doing it.
That prison sentence--wow. She earned it, though.
Jessi is a treasure ❤
We don’t know if that’s what she will get but I hope her and Ruby both get that
This niece is so articulate and beautiful...I pray the Franke kids can heal this much also.
Jessie has a beautiful soul that shines through a broken facade. Jodi deserves life for what she has done to her alone.
7:44 I heard another lawyer say the max total consecutive sentence in that state was 30 years unless certain crimes are included, and that exception doesn’t apply here.
It is life sentences and capital punishment
that's right... the statutory cap for stacked 2nd degree felonies is 30 years. Unfortunately there's a lot of misinformation out there, and I assume Jessi just misinterpreted what she was told. Also, even if she gets a 30 year sentence, Utah prisoners generally only serve 40% of an indicated sentence.
Yes, it’s 30 years in Utah Max for secondary felony at this time
Yes a lot of people have no idea what the laws are but also do they not listen to the prosecutors they literally said 30 years max lol
@@lisapilkington87 I also noticed that... I don't know why people keep talking about 60 years. Also people need to be aware that there are periodic follow-up hearings w the parole board, and the sentence can be cut back at any point in a subsequent parole board proceeding. Assuming there are no behavior issues or any other problems while serving their sentences, Utah prisoners can expect to serve only about 40% of an indicated sentence.
Imho, I think that a sixty year sentence is warranted in this case. The abuse and trauma that these children had to endure will be with them for the rest of their lives (or at least that is my personal experience from the CA and CSA that I endured as a child). Even with years of therapy, EMDR, survivors workshops, etc. it is something that you never fully heal from. Thank you Peter for continuing to cover this case. I hope that everyone has a wonderful weekend. 💗
They can’t get a 60 year sentence.
The maximum the state allows is 30 years for consecutive sentences unless they are life sentences.
60 sounds good. The damage she bestowed upon those kids who have to live with the reality of what they experienced can't be erased. I pray for the strength of each child to heal throughout their lives. No mercy.
Utah has a statutory cap of 30 years for stacked 2nd felonies. Sadly, there's a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding about Utah sentencing laws.
Each count is 15 years and that is why they did it for consecutive not combined that is Utah law@@pdquestions7673
I’m hearing from different places that 30 years is the max Jodi can receive. I do believe she knows her life, as she knew it, is over. I don’t look to see her ever be out of state prison.
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As a parent I can’t even fathom this. All I want is to protect my child from all harm NVM being the ONE to inflict it. Unreal. Inhumane. Lock em up.
As a parent, there isn't anything anyone could say to me that would make me allow abuse of my children. My job as a parent is to protect my children.
60 years is a LOT. They're definitely wanting to send a message with this one.
Utah has a statutory cap of 30 years for stacked 2nd felonies. Sadly, there's a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding about Utah sentencing laws.
@@pdquestions7673that’s what I was thinking as well, but I hope Ruby and Jodi both get the max they can possibly get. I knew there would be a cap, but didn’t know what it was for Utah.
@@pdquestions7673 That’s what I thought too- only 30 years. I thought that’s why 2 charges were dropped…..
@@monyka116 yep. She'll do time, of course, and it won't be easy for her. But if she's a model prisoner (which I think her attys are banking on), she shouldn't do more than 40% of the indicated sentence, and there are ways to get it even lower if she really does demonstrate "rehabilitation" in the eyes of the parole board. On the other hand, if she has a melt down or can't handle prison life, or if she gets in a fight and shows her sadism in the form of any "acting out," the state could bring assault charges against her, and that would keep her in prison for a lot longer. It's all just a question of the politics of the parole boards, and Jodi's ability to really behave herself on the inside.
@@pdquestions7673that is interesting so it could be more like 18 years with good behaviour. I always thought the sentencing in the US seemed really long compared to Europe but hadn't realised you had capps and significant reductions for good behaviour.
Jodi built a jail cell under her basement that had a 5 pin VAULT door that only opened from the outside (her house went up for listing and you can see pics there).
She also had a full surveillance setup and those recordings are something prosecutor could use against her.
when you stack up the additional survivors testimonies, video evidence, and account for the Mens rea one must have to build a prison into your home....the evidence is overwhelming.
True crime fans have watched several podcast about the crimes committed by Jodi Hildebrandt against children and this case did not get swept under the rug.
Justice is coming for the children and all victims who have suffered from her brutality.
I thought one of the prosecutors said that the cumulative max was 30 years? That was one of the reasons they agreed to drop 2 of the charges in the plea.
Either way, I think both women should be locked up until the youngest victim is an adult at the minimum. They deserve longer, but in the very least I don't want any of those kids in a situation where they're obligated to be in the same room as their torturers.
Jessie Hildebrant gives us another incredibly informative and personal interview. Thanks Jessie for all of their openness. They are awesome, beautiful, intelligent, warm, and giving.
Ruby considered her kids getting food from the kitchen as “STEALING” and would punish them for it! If you notice other abuse and death cases (e.g., Van Der Ark) it’s a common theme that the abusive/murderous parents consider eating food as stealing.
Hello Peter... Replay here.. I had to work due to sickness. I'm glad Jesse is healing more and more due to this case. She deserves her closure for what was done to her. I hope she gets the Maximum sentence allowed.
YES! Hope it comes to fruition. Both Jody and Ruby deserve the maximum. They certainly did not start off small. These crimes are horrific and brutal and have life altering consequences on the victims. They should rot in the same hell they put these children through.
RF (Ruby's son who escaped) and Jesse are SURVIVOR'S and champions for escaping such atrocities. Jesse is a very articulate, bright and beautiful young lady. I know healing is a life long process and something Ruby's children will also be facing, but it gives me great pleasure to see what a strong and bright young lady Jesse is, while the perpetrator is now where she belongs. Oh how the tables do eventually turn. I wish the same better outcome for Ruby's children (away from their father as well). Away from all the crazies and the adults who FAILED them.
Victim's deserve justice but they also deserve a better existence in this world as well!
What information would the DA have to base this statement? I thought another group would be responsible to determine the sentence?
Im going 20-30 for jodi. 5 -10 for ruby. Ruby should get more time I think because they were her children. Ruby did it to her own children and permitted Jodi too also. So it seems she's more culpable.
I thought the same thing, however, Ruby seemed remorseful and Jodi just seemed stunned and still, according to her attorney, didn’t agree with some of the “facts” laid out in the agreement although she signed it. That alone makes me want Jodi to get more time but I have no sympathy for Ruby! She was a horrible mother before Jodi entered the picture. 😒
I agree with you. Also, Utah imposes a statutory cap of 30 years for staked 2nd degree felonies.
@@JackieOlanternI dunno…I felt like Ruby was trying to place all the blame on Jodi and not take responsibility for her part. Ruby & Jodi seemed like 2 peas in a pod & just not sure I believe Ruby was as naive as she claims.
Both needs the maximum amount of time without early release.
@@axemangang1584 i think it will be interesting to see what happens at the 5 year parole board hearing... after the public has basically forgotten about the case. Unless we see it coming & maintain the public awareness
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I am skeptical Hildibrant will get 60 years. I guess we can hope. I would say she deserves every year she does get!
I have a pretty opposite opinion than most, about Franke. I feel she has more culpability, as the children’s mother, in the abuse than Hildibrant. She had her own history of distorted parenting before Hildibrant came along and I believe she found validation in Hildibrant! It was the parent’s responsibility to protect their children (and yes I include the father), but instead she participated in the abuse and basically gave another monster access to them, willingly and freely! So many ADULTS failed those kids on so many levels and at every turn. Strangers worried about the children more than their Parents & their parents associates, more than LE, more than their church! And potentially more than maybe the law or the courts there. If there is a hero in this situation, it is the adult daughter and that little boy.
Utah has a statutory cap of 30 years for stacked 2nd felonies. Sadly, there's a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding about Utah sentencing laws.
AGREE
Max sentence would be 33 years. All counts have 15 year max and the count with highest max rules then the other 3 counts are reduced to 40% of the 15 year max which reduces other 3 counts to 6 years each consecutively per Utah sentencing guidelines. Uncivil did a TH-cam referring to Utah Guidelines. I’m guessing she will be out on parole around 10 to 15 years. Jessi will get lots of input at parole hearings.
And then there is a law that caps that at 30 years.
Damn
When you lose your mother's protection as a child, you lose you. You can't reconcile your inner sense telling you that didn't deserve it. If your mother doesn't love you, you're worthless. The younger you are, you just don't develop after that age. If you're lucky, you'll get justice, therapy and spend the rest of your life trying to find out who you are and if you are worthy of any love. Hard enough even if you had a loving parent.
Ruby abused her children while she was exploiting thembefore she teamed up with Jodi. She needs to take full responsibility as well as the crappy father. Amazing he gets away with any responsibility to the abuse. Please watch the Dadchallengepodcast
I find it outrageous that she's getting 60 years, but at the same time the judge understood that this woman is responsible for so many broken families and hurt young children. I was thinking somewhere between 15-30 years.
Wow! Definitely deserved but I wasn’t feeling so confident because she is so manipulative!
Jesse Hildebrandt is my pick for 2023 person of the year. Strong, intelligent, articulate and brave come to mind when thinking of Jesse. ♥️✌️
Hope she gets the max! Anyone see the photos of the “quiet room” in her house. It’s awful!
I didn’t see any pictures but I did hear others talk about this “quiet room”. 😡
Yes, I watched the full house tour on hidden true crime with Lauren Matthias.
@@tmhamer3086Hidden True Crimes did a walk thru as the house is on the market and on Zillow
Local Utahn here, I think the DA is taking into consideration how much power she had being apart of the LDS church as their recommended therapist. She [ Jodi] really took advantage of the LDS control and power in this state.
60 Years would be perfect for Jodi. I cannot say what I feel about Ruby. I ADORE Jessi; A fine human being, a strong yet sensitive survivor and a full on incredible woman! I wish her the highest and best.
Utah has a statutory cap of 30 years for stacked 2nd felonies. Sadly, there's a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding about Utah sentencing laws.
@@pdquestions7673 54 is her age plus 30, fine.
If Ruby gets away with a few years, I pass out. That would mean, you connect as a weirdo to a other weirdo, who does the job for you and takes the blame.
Ruby can not get away easy.
I loved what you said at the end about Jessi and where her focus lies. She has been consistent throughout from first interview to this on where her focus lies. I really admire Jessie, she is brave, strong and a great role model for victims.
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Honestly, I find it hard to believe that Jodi will get 60 years. Knowing how Utah had let both Jodi AND Ruby get away with child abuse for many, many years, I would not put it past them to give Jodi a sentence of less than 10 years.
And by the way: It was JODI who had plead guilty first - not Ruby! It’s just that Ruby’s plea deal got made public first.
Which then makes Ruby‘s readiness to testify against Jodi nonsensical, doesn’t it?
All these cases make me wonder what’s happening that we DON’T know about yet….
Agreed. Will the PSI report include info regarding abusive actions that were not in the already-public documents? I just wonder what she did to those kids beyond what we already know about. I hope the judge considers those things too.
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I was worried but justice will prevail in this case. Although she damaged so many lives, Life wouldn’t be enough! As far as Frankie goes I hope she gets 40 years. She (IMO) was abusing those children long before Jodi got into the picture!
I hope it will be 40-50 years without parole. She needs that life sentence, she destroyed the lives of many.
Frankly, even if Jodi is in prison for the rest of her life, I'm worried about what she might 'teach' her fellow inmates. If they're mothers, and they get out and start practicing Jodi's brand of 'discipline' on their own kids--yeeeeeeck. I worry that she's a CONTAGION waiting to happen of these terrible ideas.
Ruby Franke was abusing her kids way before Jody came along. During episodes of Jody's show, the epi's filmed in Jody's house with Ruby, the kids were in the basement tied up. Ruby was well aware of what her children were going through & just didn't care.
I sure hope it's true. Because those kids suffered and will forever.
Sixty years a possibility? About damn time. I am not a lawyer, but I was a psychologist for many years and the low sentences for these kinds of abusers is no deterrent. People can get better, but in my years of experience I never came across an abuser like this that I considered safe to be in society. We all want to believe people can change, but the truth is that for some, the combination of biology, brain chemistry, abuse in their own lives, long history of drug abuse, change is a road too long for them to travel. Yes, some people are irredeemable. Not many, but some. And I think this woman is irredeemable. Sixty years would mean she can never go after another victim. I understand she has no previous record, and that in other circumstances this would be a factor in sentencing, but I am happy to see law enforcement come down hard on this. I’ve worked with people whose children died because of meth fumes, and so much worse. Sixty years is just.
I hope this is correct. However, would the DA really disclose something like this? I think Jodi pled guilty to avoid my further investigation where even more charges could be made. Ruby was the care giver for those children, she is responsible for everything that happened to her children.
agree...find it super hard to believe the DA shared that info - especially if it's factually wrong, that she can only get 30 years not 60. Something smells off here
The prosecutor said it was capped at 30 years in his interview outside of court after Jodie's plea. This was also why they agreed to drop 2 of the charges because they made no difference to sentencing as the 30 year max applied to whether there was 6 charges or 4.
Wow! I definitely didn’t expect 60 years mostly because it doesn’t make sense to accept a plea deal for the maximum sentence. What is the “deal” part of that? Jodi certainly has harmed a lot of people so I don’t disagree with the max, just surprised she accepted the plea knowing the likely outcome .
Well, you don't take the deal because you want a lighter sentence, you take that deal because you want less charge to be make against you. Whatever you agree to plead guilty for is there, and you know you don't have the power to change the sentence as Peter said, you took the deal then you get sentence, but you take that deal, so you don't get the whole lot dumped on you. Like Jesse said, there are a lot more they can get Jodi for other than that 4 charge she plead guilty to.
But yes, 60 years or 160 years, it wouldn't really make a difference in her case, I mean if she is really getting 60 for this
She can't get 60 years. Unfortunately that's misinformation. Utah has a statutory cap on stacked 2nd degree felonies of 30 years, and the same prosecutor that Jessi is citing conceded this in public. But that's not all: Even if Jodi's handed down a "30 year" sentence, Utah inmates generally only serve about 40% of the listed term. And there are subsequent parole board proceedings that could cut the sentence down even further, assuming Jodi is a model prisoner... Not that I'm happy to say all this, but we have to be realistic.
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I’m so mixed. On the one hand I think Jody is responsible for potentially influencing Ruby, but in the end Ruby is the childrens mother and was responsible for their safety and well-being. It seemed to me watching some of the videos that she enjoyed punishing her children BEFORE she got involved with Jody. Really I think the real harm is in their own mother participation. I could possibly forgive someone else before I could forgive my own mother.
Being within the criminal justice system, I am very surprised at this revelation, just because of Jodi's lack of criminal history. I certainly hope Jodi gets the maximum.
Huge sentence but deserved imo. Hopefully Ruby gets the same
i heard that where they are the max for concurrent sentencing is 30 years
I thought I heard that too. Perhaps the DA said she's getting maximum, without stating actual years.
@@livingmylife1955 yes maybe, but I keep hearing she is going to get or could get 60 years, which technically is true, but I think the judge will say the max for concurrent is 30 years, not sure what percentage she would have to do before being eligible for parole but I think when the parole board meets in a month or whenever Jessie said it was that is when we will find out the true sentence and how much she needs to serve before parole idk
Although I have a hard time believing she will actually be sentenced that much, Jodi absolutely deserves every MINUTE of 60 years. I am in no way pro prosecution. I will almost always lean on the side of leniency but this case is just NUTS. IMHO, this is worse than the Vallow/Daybell case. There is no doubt in my mind that she will always be a threat to society
She is so well spoken and has great precense
After hearing Jesse’s story and how many people she has 12:56 12:56 hurt outside of these kids I think she deserves life in prison
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The DA said the reason they dropped the two extra charges is because even though the max is 60 years they can’t actually get more than 30 because of some law. So it didn’t matter if they dropped two. 30 is the max
can you explain this a bit more? that you think 30 is the max? which isn't the same as other suggesting 60? do you work at the DA in Utah?
I see you have another video coming up today. I heard this video and had also heard about the consecutive sentence limits being set in that state not to exceed consecutive accumulations of 30 years so can’t wait to hear your update on this one.
I hope that she would get a hefty sentence, but I’m not too familiar with the sentencing in Utah. I believe that both of these abusers have given lifelong trauma to these kids. Anyone who does these acts repeatedly can’t really have remorse. They only care about themselves & they took a plea to prevent more things being revealed, as well as charges being dropped. I wouldn’t expect more than 10 years, probably out in 7. 😭😭
They both deserve 60 years. But, a 60-year sentence doesn't mean they will actually serve 60-years.
Our legal system needs to take the impact of abuse as seriously as it does murder. If we stopped the cycle of abuse earlier our rates of crime would go down across the board- domestic violence, substance related, shooters, etc. All we would be left with are the psychopaths.
She deserves 15 years for each count not including all the families she destroyed. She should get longer, without possibility of: parole 🎉
She deserves every year she gets!!!! I'm wondering if charges for what she did to Jesse can be brought now??
My issue with Ruby’s punishment is that she was clearly abusive before Judy even came into the picture. So the whole being influenced thing isn’t enough of an excuse for me to believe she was so easily manipulated. Sounds to me like she found someone who was yelling into her echo chamber and was happy to have someone on the same page as her.
The problem in Utah the sentences are actually up to the parole boards. Mark my words…. At sentencing she will get both the minimum and Maximum. 4 consecutive terms of 1-15 years! So…. She could technically serve a min of 4 years. Rather unlikely she would serve till she dies and she is around 50ish. I do think Ruby will get the same exact sentence. No way will the Judge say ie: Ruby serves 15 and Jodi serves 25, or 60, etc…
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Absolutely agree. Any person or professional that is expected to hold a higher level of trust should receive the highest level of punishment.
This is totally warranted, as a message needs to be sent to the Mormon community and especially other therapists doing this abusive counselling. They need to know they will get more of a life sentence to start deterring this kind of horrible abuse.
If you brainwash and abuse children, you deserve 180 years!! Jessie, I’m so proud of you for speaking out and shedding light on Jodi’s psychosis.
It was great to hear there’s harsh sentence possible
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It's been 42 years for me, I will never forget. 😢
Thank you for this Peter.
I think it's fair as she damaged those children. They are going to have lifetime of recovery. Thanks for covering this Peter. ❤
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Yes she should get the max, as a therapist and the fact she lost her license previously she needs to be made a example of