Teachers like Lucy are fine for a certain level, but if you want to reach the C1/C2 level, you need to understand the subtleties of the English language. This is where Kevin plays an important role for me.
Lucy is a very good teacher, and there is a lot of useful content on her channel. Moreover, in the past she was a real English teacher at school. I like her British accent. But I don't blame you for anything. You are very attentive to any kind of mistakes, this is a strong character trait for a teacher. I love your channel too.
@@masteroffootball5828If you find it boring, it might mean you aren’t taking language learning seriously or are simply looking for entertainment rather than studying deeply. Stop imposing your own opinions on others. Just because you don’t find those videos helpful doesn’t mean they aren’t valuable to others. This kind of attitude makes you come across as immature.
I do not see a link to the original video by Lucy so I cannot say whether she was misleading or not. It did not look like a quiz. It simply looked like practicing one of the possibilities - made of. I am a teacher and if I tell my students that there are two versions, they would go crazy. They can learn it later but many students are happy with just one version to say. And it is easy to understand the second one the moment they have the first one in their active knowledge.
Yeah, for instance, you can tell 'em there are 10 ways to say something but you're gonna teach them the most used ones and when they master them, the other ones are gonna be easier for them to understand and use.
@@alexfelker1348 There's no doubt it my friend, I learned English by studying Grammar in textbooks and practicing BUT when you go to the USA or other English speaking country you realize that there can be some changes.
@@rigelkent8828 No my friend, I'm just a bilingual guy, my mother tongue's Spanish. I just studied the English language and then I had the chance to travel to the USA and I learned and little bit more. But I'm subscribed to several channels with native speakers as teachers 'cause I think and feel that I'm losing fluency and I need to brush up on it.
0:17 Okay, we can use both 'made of' and 'made out of' for any material. But, for example, if we're talking about something built from recycled materials, which one should we use: 'made of' or 'made out of' ?
ok, i get most of the explanation here. However, each time you use "native speakers say" as an argument to prove certain words/phrasing is correct, i can't help but doubt - because native speakers DO use grammatically wrong forms too, these forms might even be commonly used. Does not make them grammatically right. So are we sure we are talking textbook grammar or commonly accepted usage?
I would say "commonly accepted usage". I guess some natives know they're not speaking their language according to Grammar rules, anyway they speak like that because they got used to it, it's not that they don't know the grammar rules of their own language. A common and ilustrative example is; the word "AIN'T", they use it, however it's gramatically incorrect, they know that but they don't care.
What you said couldn't be more truthful.😊 I can understand he wants to correct Marina Mogilco because even a highly educated non native speaker can easily spot her mistakes . But in MHO, it sounds awkward to correct every teacher's " so-called mistake."" He said, " Wait on ....is correct because non native speakers say it. Nooooo.... Grammatically, it's incorrect. He has to know as highly educated as one can be , one is not exempt from " tiny teeny Mistakes "
@@blessingadou-h5l "Wait on" is correct since native speakers say it NOT non-native speakers, even though it has another meaning. "waiting on" is what waiters do in a restaurant, they wait on people inside the restaurant. It's just that the most used expression or verb used by natives is "wait for".
If a grammar text book says you're wrong, you're completly wrong even though people use the wrong way all the time. You have to know you can't express the wrong way at university, for example!
Text books and dictionaries are correct and I agree with them because they teach you what's correct and that's always right. BUT, when speaking, things change 'cause natives don't always follow the grammar rules of their own language, I mean, some natives don't follow the rules, not all of them. In fact they know they're speaking wrongly but they don't care at all 'cause they got used to speaking that way, as simple as that.
You can use both expressions interchangeably, but the idea being conveyed is slightly different. "Out of" carries the idea of transformation from one thing into another. Both have the same meaning and are synonyms, but there are subtle differences between them. The only misleading part is your bypassing of the rules and rejection, as logically it seems that the rule doesn't make sense.
@@janetlee7449 It's not. Made out of is when something is created with unusual materials: This hat is made out of newspaper. Made of is when the substance doesn't change much in the manufacturing process: The table is made of wood. Made from is when the final product changed significantly: Wine is made from grape. Made with is used for drinks, food, chemicals when there are several components, basically meaning" mixing": the vegan sauce is made with cashews, garlic, parsley, etc.
@@alexfelker1348 Those could be the basic differences but, this is one of the few cases in English when (where) you can use all the phrasal verbs interchangeably and indistinctly. Anyway I'm sure native speakers can understand you if you use any of the expressions no matter the context.
That's exactly my point (I left a comment too)! If a person states that something is not true, they should ideally provide a link to a reputable source to prove their point. What's used by natives does not always mean that it's grammatically correct. In everyday communication you would probably not pay attention to these details ('made of' or 'made out of') and would be perfectly understood by people, but if you are preparing for a serious exam (e.g. Cambridge CAE, CPE, etc.) I believe you should be aware of the difference. That's why this 'preposition question' is a bone of contention.
Thanks for the difference between forgot and left. Once I've encountered a whole battle where people were arguing so I learned to say only 'left smth somewhere'. That's cool to see the examples where the natives say it both ways.
I love your videos, especially the short clips showing native speakers using the expressions that were deemed wrong by some teachers. This gives an assurance that we can definitely use those expressions without sounding strange. However, I want to point out that just because a number of native speakers use an expression doesn't always mean it's definitely correct. There are quite a number of expressions that are regularly used by some native speakers that are incorrect according to standard/official references. Some of the things you say are correct would be marked wrong in a standard English exam eventhough they are commonly used. An example is the lay/lie expression. You would be marked wrong if you picked an option that says "you lay on the sofa" instead of "you lie on the sofa" if you're talking in the present tense. In fact, both options would often be in the list of options. I'm speaking as someone who has aced quite a number of standard English exams, including one required for an American visa. But I guess if all you care about is sounding American and not necessarily being totally correct, you can take everything you hear a native speaker say as the gospel. That's fine, really.
"just because a number of native speakers use an expression doesn't always mean it's definitely correct. " Exactly what I thought! At this point I think it's a matter of priority: do you want to speak good and correct English or you just want "to sound good"? Because if THIS is the aim, then the very concept of mistake becomes really questionable.
@@mrandrews3303 Right. The only way to authoritatively claim someone is wrong is by referencing official/standard sources. It was quite cool when they were doing this critique style with linguamarina and other non-native teachers who make mistakes we can all clearly see, like omitting articles for instance. But using this same critique style with a native teacher like Lucy is just pushing it. How do you say a native speaker is wrong by referencing another native speaker? Obviously, you should cite an official source.
@@polymathsmart3361 I think that no native speaker would say; You must not use the words "said, and very", that's nonsense and they know that, and that's the reference or official/standard source you need I think Lucy should cite an official source that says "you must not use the words "very and said". BUT she didn't do so.
From my point of view all of them can be used interchangeably and indistinctly, I mean; "Made of, made out of, made from and made with". There might be some kind of slight differences among them BUT when you're talking with someone it's a little bit hard to distinguish those differences and when to use one verb or the other, I guess only native speakers can make those differences, that's why when I'm talking with someone I usually use "made of or made out of" 'cause they're the most used ones and I haven't had any trouble 'cause I'm understood.
I usually enjoy the videos on your channel but the part with Lucy’s video is a miss for me. Even though made of/ made out of are often used interchangeably, it’s true that there’s a very slight change in nuance (“out” does indeed imply transformation). When teaching elementary level (especially adult) students, sometimes it’s better and easier for them to give them clearer guidelines so that they could feel that there’s a certain rule or structure they can use in their speech. As they progress, they will naturally learn that some of these expressions can be used interchangeably. I am not sure if you have ever worked with students, but sometimes when you teach real people it’s ok to oversimplify things instead of saying “you can say it in 10 different ways and all will be correct”; in some cases it does nothing but confuse them. I feel like you really didn’t have anything of real value to add to Lucy’s lesson, there was nothing criminally wrong about it either. Seemed like you were critical solely for the sake of being critical. The rest of the video is interesting , thank you.
Well, I think you're right to a certain extent when you texted that there was nothing of real value to add to Lucy's video EXCEPT that now you can be sure that everybody's gonna understand you no matter if you use one expression or the other one. And there might be 10 ways to say something BUT you have to teach the most used ones which can be only two and tell it to the students. I mean tell the students you're gonna teach them only two so they won't get confused.
The thing is, when u are a teacher u shld always tell ur students, that there are “some other words or phrases that u can also use” so ur students won’t get confused ryt? I watched Lucy’s video & she had 3 choices to pick from but she only focused on “of”. So even me, I got confused, but tnx coz Kevin made a clear video for us. Or I got confused. Ur correct. Tnx
Hi Kevin and Liza. Apart from the video examples, could you please provide some bibliography on the subject? Regarding made + preposition, I would mention Michael Swan's Practical English Usage, section 522 as reference. Sometimes native speakers don't speak "correctly", although we can argue what correctness is, of course.
Hi, you really don't need to badmouth everyone to get views. We all know Lucy , Rachel and others are amazing teachers and they ARE native speakers. And as native speakers, they all have their little "flaws" but the flaws make them sound even more natural as being the vernacular we are so used to hearing on a daily basis.
There's no doubt about it, they're good teachers and, I don't know about Rachel but what Lucy said about not using the word "said and very" isn't a flaw because she said emphatically that you must not use those words and that doesn't make sense at all, she's a native speaker and she definitely knows those words are always used in English then why did she say that ?, well I know why se said it That's why I don't think Kevin's badmouthing or slandering anyone, he's just correcting mistakes that are made. If Lucy wants to make money or profits and her strategy is to say things that don't make sense or teach things that don't make sense, well, that's her problem, that's up to her.
Right. But people also say " I ain't no nobody'. Just because people say it, it doesn't mean it's right. According to grammar, she's right mate. All grammar books state the same, so we should trust you just because a bunch of people don't know their own language? I think you got the wrong path trying to correct a teacher while praising regular blokes.
American English is good, but in many countries, it is not taken into account in language exams. Words like "statistics," "politics," and similar terms have special rules for when "is" or "are" is correct in British English. However, I’ve forgotten the rule because I’m tired of all these rules. I think it was something like: after prepositions and possessive pronouns, these words should be plural in British English. So, if someone uses the singular form, it will be considered incorrect. You need to understand that standard English is generally considered British English worldwide. American English answers, even if correct, will be marked wrong if they don’t match British English conventions. Why? Because in my country, as in many others, the books and specialists we follow are based on British English, so their version is what is accepted in exams.
Everything you texted might be true BUT you didn't take into account or you haven't taken into account a very important and relevant fact and that is; American English or the English language that's spoken in the United States is the most commercial English in the word, I mean, worldwide and even the British speak like Americans; for example; British even use the term "AIN'T". As far as I know the american english is taught in latin America and that's been happening since long time ago and I speak from experience 'cause I learned Grammar and a little phonetics in my country then I was lucky because I had the chance to travel to the USA and lived over there for almost 10 years. But the point is that American English version could also be accepted in exams and as a matter of fact, it is.
I think you both are right. British English is a widely extended standard and so is American English. It depends on which standard you choose and American English has also widely influenced British English. When preparing for exams, it''s important to take into account which standard your exam is based on. Otherwise, certain things may not be accepted as correct. In British English waiting on someone is considered wrong. Especially the use of prepositions is defined differently in a number of contexts.
As a lifelong learner, your content is liquid gold. Don't get me wrong, no arse kissing intended, sir. In this day and age, when everyone can be a content creator, anyone can teach and sell educational content as long as they know how to edit a video and create a persona. ESL students get flooded with unfiltered materials, making it very hard to pick the wheat from the chaff. Your effort stands out as a touchstone, auditing other content creators and serving as a navigator for students to patch up where they find gaps. That being said, I salute to that. Keep up the great works, you've gained another student.
[plural] a personʼs political views or beliefs E.g.,His politics are extreme. [singular] a system of political beliefs; a state of political affairs E.g.,A politics of the future has to engage with new ideas.
What is observed in some cases in British English is that when something is tangible, 'made of' is usually used; when something is hypothetical or virtual, 'made out of' seems to be used.
Is it really necessary to make content against another teacher? I am grateful for all the advice and lessons I get from you both guys. I don’t like trash-talking the other one at all. Fokus on your own lessons plus Lucy is doing it while being funny and charming and I enjoy watching her. You might learn a thing or two yourself. Not the English itself I assume but the way to teach it.
If you wanna learn incorrect English, it's up to you pal. But you gotta take into account that when you're a teacher or you're teaching anything, you've got the big responsability of teaching what's correct, that's to say, correctly you've got to have ethics. I'm not against making a living or getting profits BUT WITH RESPONSABILITY AND ETHICS. and I guess you might also learn a thing or two yourself if you take that into account.
Indeed, why not say forget? The left, depending on intonation, can sound as intention. Son wear you coat! I left my coat at home. He answers with joy in his voice.
@Idaaaaaaaa3193 She was a real English teacher for years. Like, she studied how to teach English and she taught several real pupils at school. She's totally qualified.
With all due respect , I do not think of Lucy mentioning it’s the only option to say it. I suggest you watch the entire video of Lucy , then you will see her saying :” IF YOU MIX UP THESE PREPOSITIONS , PEOPLE WILL STILL UNDERSTAND YOU.” She was just focusing on the grammatical rules. However , I have to congratulate you on your very informative videos.👏👏👏 Thanks
She said you must not use those words emphatically and that makes no sense, I'm talking about the words "said, and very". And she mentioned only one option "made of".
So the funny thing is that you’re using an example of a native speaker to rebuke the usage of another native speaker. But there are always minor differences between speakers from different regions, not to mention that language changes with time
Dear Kevin, thank you for the excellent show. Forgetting something somewhere and leaving something somewhere are technically interchangeable, but as I understand it, the expression 'leave' does not imply that something was left behind unintentionally. I am not a native speaker and thus in doubt; kindly let me know if that's correct.
I think this is a bit nitpicky. While she could've mentioned that both options were correct, she didn't say that the other one was wrong either. I wouldn't even call her lesson "nonsense", more like a native speaker's mistake. I appreciate the way you correct grammar, but sometimes these titles are just too much.
I wanna be objective, as an English teacher or speaker, she should've mentioned that there is or are another way(s) to say it, but she didn't. BUT, she's still a great teacher BUT from my point of view she forgot to mention there is another expression that can be used instead.
It seems like neither of you is wrong here. The sentence "The coat hangers are made of wood" is the more traditional and grammatically standard, as the sentence "The coat hangers are made out of wood" is mainly used in informal contexts.
i asked ChatGPT about the difference and it came up with the following answer: " The phrases "made out of" and "made of" are both used to describe the material or substance from which something is created, but they have slightly different nuances: 1. Made of Describes the basic material or substance of an object. Focuses on the primary, unchanged material. Suggests the material retains its original form or properties. Examples: The table is made of wood. (The material, wood, is still recognizable as wood.) Her ring is made of gold. (Gold remains in its original, recognizable state.) 2. Made out of Emphasizes transformation or repurposing of the material. Suggests the material has been changed or adapted in some way. Examples: The sculpture is made out of recycled metal. (The metal was transformed to create the sculpture.) This vase is made out of old bottles. (The bottles were altered to create the vase.) Key Difference: Use "made of" when the material's original form is still apparent or unchanged. Use "made out of" when the material has been modified or repurposed to create something new. " I am torn about which one I should use after watching this video...
Mr. Kevin, hello, Please consider mentioning which version of English your correction follows. This is important because I am studying at a university, and in exams here, our government only accepts the British variant of English. For example, in our exams for English teachers, only British English is considered correct, and American English is marked as incorrect. It would be incredibly helpful for people like me if you could specify the version of English in your corrections. You often say both are correct, but according to which English? As I mentioned, Oxford English is the correct one. In language tests, if there are five variants and you have to choose one, your answer must match the British one. Even if, for an American, both options (A and B) may seem correct, the British option is the right one in these exams. After hearing your explanations, I am even more confused becaus you are correcting a native speaker , and I wonder if she fogot it or if your variant is considered not "okay" in the UK.
Everything about this is for academic purposes only, please don't feel angry or blue maybe I am not writing correctly but the same won't stop me from obtaining knowledge. 🥇🥂
Absolutely not... She has good level in English like me I'm C2 in French, just because we are native... But she is not a teacher, exactly like me I cannot pretend to be a French teacher...
made out of implies a transformation from one purpose to another. We made candle holders out of wine bottles. The wine bottles are not intended to be candle holders but we utilize them for that purpose. The wine bottles are made of glass however as this is the material they have been created with. They are not made out of glass. The coat hangers are made of wood. Perfectly correct.
When you're talking to someone fluently you don't make those differences and you use "made out of or made of" interchangeably or indistinctly and even "made from and made with". BUT, the most used ones are; "Made of and made out of". At least, I don't make those differences and native speakers understand my idea. I know I should make those differences but it's a little bit hard to do so.
@fredylopez2477 You are correct. The difference is negligible. It was still not incorrect what Lucy taught. If anything she was too exact. Anyway, the OED makes the distinction, so it is silly to use this to "expose" Lucy "misleading" her audience. Kevin does not understand that everyday spoken American English is the premise of his channel only. It might not be the premise of other people's channels. He looks silly when he tries to correct or expose others for not adhering to the premise of his channel. Whenever some advanced vocabulary or more uncommon rule is mentioned he treats it always as a mistake because it is not everyday American English. As if that is what everybody has to be teaching.
@@ramonek9109 Well, I just don't care about Kevin's correcting other's mistakes I just care about learning what's correct and if that requires criticizing, correcting and exposing people who don't do their jobs correctly well... besides, Kevin's a good teacher and a native speaker that's what I'm interested in. BUT, those youtubers who teach English should be teching correct English if they don't wanna be criticized, corrected and exposed, they should teach English with responsability and ethics, as simple as that.
@@fredylopez2477 Not sure that you understand my point. I was saying that Lucy was teaching correct English. Maybe even over-correct English. It is strange that Kevin dedicates his entire channel to nitpick and put down others but if somebody else uses a rule that doesn't adhere to his personal preferences it is also a mistake. He also believes that maths is incorrect because he doesn't know or recognizes British English as correct. Everybody who doesn't speak in his regional way and social mode is wrong and a fraud and needs to be exposed. That Marina girl can hardly breath without him making a 5 hour response video. Some of the criticism will be valid and correct but a lot of times he crosses the line and it starts to verge on bullying. We already know that Marina has a problem with articles. That is an extremely common problem with Slavic speakers. It is completely fair to point that out as a limitation if her teaching and correct it. But scouring all her content to find every instant where she omits an article and making hour long responses to each of them is excessive and frankly worrying. He needs to realize that English is not his neighbourhood language but a global lingua franca and there will naturally be a lot of variation. Not every minor deviation of standard pronunciation is a reputation destroying mistake. He really is just an unpleasant person in my eyes who instills in learners the idea that anything below his idea of perfection is unacceptable and even the most minor mistake reveals you as a fraud that needs to be exposed by him. They should change the name of the channel to English for anybody who speaks exactly like me.
Well, it seems to me that all those people in the first examples are british and they used the phrasal verb or said "made out of", and all the people in the other exmples are american, I mean, from the USA and they also used the phrasal verb or said "made out of". I'd say that the most used phrasal verb or expression is "made out of" when we talk about the material something is made out of OR something is made of.
Waiting for you” means anticipating your arrival. “Waiting on you” has two meanings: waiting to proceed but cannot until you arrive, or. serving you, as when the waiter/waitress at an restaurant introduces themselves saying “I'll be waiting on you this evening.
"Wait for" and "wait on" can be used interchangeably and indistinctly BUT natives use "wait for" when they're talking about awaiting someone or something. And. When they're talking about serving a customer in a restaurant they use "wait on" the most, despite the fact that it can also be used to talk about awaiting someone or something.
A piece of advice my friend, try not to use translators 'cause they're not real people. Most of the time they don't work because there are other options they don't take into account. Translators are very useful, no doubt about it, BUT NOT ALL THE TIME.
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Im my opinion Lucy is great She teaches British English. That's all. I teach Spanish from Spain I know it's different from Mexican or Peruvian Spanish 😂
Kevin, I want to ask to clarify. For example, chocolate. Chocolate is made from cocoa beans. Everywhere on the Internet in this case people use the preposition ---from(only). In this case, is this the only correct preposition or not? Or, for example, paper is made --out of/from/with? When a material has gone through a more complex production process, what preposition is usually used? Thanks
When you're talking about "the process of transformation" I guess you can use the preposition "from", as in; - Chocolate is made FROM cocoa beans. Or. - Paper is made FROM the trees bark. But you could also say; -Paper is made OUT OF the trees bark. - Paper is made WITH the trees bark. (pointing out that it's a process because you can't make paper directly from bark, right ?, there are other elements that are combined in the process) From my point of view, you can use all of them, they all sound correct and natural to me, no matter if it's a process or not.
@@fredylopez2477 Tell me please, are you sure that when we talk about the "process of transformation", these three are correct to use? Or do you just think so?
I wouldn't decide solely based on how natives say this or that. I am not a native English speaker, but in my language, there are plenty of specimens who say things incorrectly. Some errors are so widespread that more than half the population says them incorrectly. Therefore, let's not use this fact as a rule. The fact simply shows that even native speakers in a lot of cases say it incorrectly. Made of" and "made out of" are often used interchangeably, but there can be subtle differences depending on the context: - **Made of**: This phrase is used when referring to the basic material or substance from which something is composed. For example, "The ring is made of gold." It suggests the material is the main component. - **Made out of**: This phrase is typically used when something has been transformed from one form into another. For example, "The sculpture is made out of recycled metal." It implies a process of conversion from the original materials to a new form.
Let’s not forget that native English speakers also make mistakes 😂, and sometimes they make mistakes so often that it starts to sound normal to them 😂😂😂. When it comes to these propositions, this chanel might state the truth, that natives use them interchangeably, be it because of the grammar or out of habit, but for ELS students it’s easier to have structured rules, especially if they are in intermediate level. When you go to advanced level, you learn that the rules you learned usually are not complete, there are usually more subtitle details, and natives speak in many different ways.
I'm sorry my friend but she said; - "let's look about". NOT. - let's talk about" (which is the correct expression). With all due respect I suggest (that) you watch and listen to the video again.
I feel quite ambivalent about this channel. On the one side, I agree to the importance of teaching correct English and some of the language teachers on the internet teach quite a lot of rubbish that needs to be pointed out. On the other hand, this channel is claiming sometimes absolute truth which is a bit taliban-like to me. Sometimes they are getting things wrong themselves which is natural. Nobody's perfect. An example: the meanung of pretty as an adverb doesn't necessarily have to be at about 75 per cent. It depends on how you say "pretty". It can be perfectly at a lesser degree at about 50 percent.The intonation makes the meaning.
When we're talking about "ingredients" but I guess you can also use; - made out of. - made of. - made from. And native English speakers would understand what you're talking about.
@@fredylopez2477, Shorter videos are better for people with hectic lives who can't sit for one hour to learn English. Long videos are good for teenagers or students who have more free time.
In general, the difference is about whether or not the material keeps its form during the process of making an object. Paper is "made from" trees because the trees have changed form and are no longer trees. A chair is "made of" wood because the wood hasn't changed form, just shape. Lucy is right but you are not a teacher and just go read grammar books and do tests
I would say that THE OBJECT GOES THROUGH A PROCESS OF TRANSFORMATION, THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE GOT IN COMMON, no matter the material or ingredients that are used, that's why, in my opinion, those phrasal verbs can be used interchangeably or indistinctly, I'm talking about "made of", "made out of" and even, "made from" and "made with". And, in fact, natives sometimes use them that way, I've noticed that. And no matter this; "Made of"= you can see the main material. "Made out of" = you can see only part of the main material. "Made from" you can't see the main material (paper's made out of bark of the tree). "Made with" they're made with love, effort etc... abstract things.
@@TheEvil_RED2000 Well, she's not exactly making a mistake but she's misleading subscribers by saying that "you must not say or shouldn't say certain expressions and she knows that they're correct.
The examples you give to show that 'made of' and 'made out of' are interchangeable still make me confused. I remember from school and from all the classic grammar reference books that there's a distinct difference between 'made of' and 'made out of'. As far as I'm concerned, 'made of' is used when the material is a constituent part of the object and is visibly apparent in the finished product. Example: "The statue is made of bronze." (i.e. Bronze is the primary material, and you can see it.). Whereas 'made out of' is used when the material goes through a transformation to become an object. The object is different than the raw material in its form and appearance, or has a composite structure. Example: "This cup is made out of recycled paper." (i.e. paper was transformed into a cup). I can't provide a link to any sources in the comments, but you can check it in the Cambridge Dictionary, for example. I'm almost sure Lucy wanted to illustrate the above difference in her examples. I've watched your video and listened to the examples you've included. On the one hand, all these people are native speakers and they know what's right, but on the other hand, does it always mean that a native speaker is aware of all the subtleties of the language they speak? What if most of them just misuse the prepositions?
The phrasal verbs "make of" and "make out of" (made of or made out of) are used interchangeably and indistinctly for a simple reason; # The material GOES THROUGH A PROCESS OF TRANSFORMATION, THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE GOT IN COMMON. And we'd even add the phrasal verb "made from" because the object goes through a process of transformation too, no matter the ingredients it has. I don't think they misuse the prepositions, they just use them interchangeably and indistinctly, that's all. I don't know if you know Spanish but I'll set an example; - In spanish we say; "usar" and "utilizar" both terms mean "to use". In English; "to utilize" = utilizar. In English; "to use" = usar. # In Spanish we say "usar or utilizar" interchangeably and indistinctly.
@ probably in spoken speech, yes. I’ve seen it many times myself, agree. But grammar books say there’s a difference. That’s why I asked. I’m afraid these are not phrasal verbs, these are prepositional phrases. Anyway, thanks for your reply!
This is not healthy at all. Simplicity and logic must be given more priority because different countries, regions, and schools of thoughts have different understanding, rules, and conventions. Because English is a true global language, we MUST set aside these good-for-nothing hair-splitting nuances for a larger audience and community to effectively converse or communicate. Who cares subtleties in a language that much? Only that it brings more unncessary linguistic demons and freaks out English learners.
You might be right to some extent BUT we gotta know what's correct and what's not, the different options we might have when speaking a language and some other facts that might influence our teaching-learning process, that's why these good for nothing hair-splitting nuances, like you texted, are kinda necessary, whether we want it or not if we wanna learn, I mean, if we wanna have a broad and good knowledge of English in order to communicate our ideas and thoughts in a better way.
Well, it seems to me that the ONLY mistake Lucy made is; NOT saying that "made of" isn't the only way to say it. And from my point of view, since she's a native English teacher and speaker she should've said it, in that way, there would be no doubt about it. Anyway she keeps being one great teacher, this just proves that even great teachers make mistakes and the only mistake is that she forgot or missed to clear up, she's a human being, as simple as that.
Because those other channels are teaching incorrect English, they're getting their subscribers confused , they're ripping them off, they get profits teaching wrong English etc...
and it is also funny how Veronika Max, a non -native speaker, corrects native speakers on what they do with their language:))) Veronika is just pathetic in general. (POLIDICS:)))
Лиза и Кевин! Спасибо за это видео! Очень ценная и полезная информация! Замечательно, что можно сказать: I forgot my keys at home and I left my keys at home! И оба варианта являются правильными в речи! Только есть один вопрос! В тестах на знание английского или экзаменах не будет ли считаться грамматической ошибкой первый вариант, если указано место где что-то забыто/оставлено? Очень часто встречается это "правило"... а может это для письменного языка " left in somewhere " будет единственно правильным или такого правила вообще не существует и по сути нас вводят в заблуждение ролики многих авторов на You Tube, ведь мы им доверяем как носителям языка!
From my point of view, both expressions are correct and both are used, no matter if you forget or leave the keys. BUT I would say that; If you really forgot the keys, you say "I forgot the keys". AND If you didn't forget the keys, I mean, you wanted to leave the keys, you say "I left the keys" because you did it on purpose. This could be a slight difference.
I think you are being too restrictive on the meaning of "decent" - I often hear it used in the context of "good" e.g. "she's a decent person". The Cambridge and Oxford dictionaries both have "good" within their definitions of this word.
I strongly feel that the use of 'decent' in this context is NOT a compliment. In other words, Kevin's explanation is 100 % correct. It's not the same as describing a person.
Very professional attitude to English, love your lessons , few specialists give such informatiin like you
Teachers like Lucy are fine for a certain level, but if you want to reach the C1/C2 level, you need to understand the subtleties of the English language. This is where Kevin plays an important role for me.
The subtleties of the skid row...
This is the first time that I learned lie down and lay down are the same in spoken English. Thanks 😊
Lucy is a very good teacher, and there is a lot of useful content on her channel. Moreover, in the past she was a real English teacher at school. I like her British accent. But I don't blame you for anything. You are very attentive to any kind of mistakes, this is a strong character trait for a teacher. I love your channel too.
Having taught English at a school does not prove someone's competence in any way.
I'm learning English and I find Lucy's channel is very boring, it helps nothing to learners. I don't recommend her lectures.
@@masteroffootball5828yes and she only cares about money
@@masteroffootball5828If you find it boring, it might mean you aren’t taking language learning seriously or are simply looking for entertainment rather than studying deeply. Stop imposing your own opinions on others. Just because you don’t find those videos helpful doesn’t mean they aren’t valuable to others. This kind of attitude makes you come across as immature.
@@空ちゃんネル-n5i can't but agree
The clarification is very useful. Thanks very much !
Thank you for helping us communicate and understand others correctly 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I prefer to follow your channel.☑️
I understand your point of view, Kevin. Thank you!
Thank you guys very much. You clear so much of the confusion floating around and you prove your point with real-life examples.
In Cambridge dictionary there are examples that correspond to Lycy's examples
when it comes to English, I'm made out of failure ...
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There are too many ambitions without foundation. Thanks, Kevin and Liza.
Controversy sells.
It's noticeable the spike in views in his videos where he pointed out English with Lucy.
Controversy sells, yeah, it could be in some cases BUT, in this one I think it doesn't, on the contrary, it's negative.
I do not see a link to the original video by Lucy so I cannot say whether she was misleading or not. It did not look like a quiz. It simply looked like practicing one of the possibilities - made of. I am a teacher and if I tell my students that there are two versions, they would go crazy. They can learn it later but many students are happy with just one version to say. And it is easy to understand the second one the moment they have the first one in their active knowledge.
Yeah, for instance, you can tell 'em there are 10 ways to say something but you're gonna teach them the most used ones and when they master them, the other ones are gonna be easier for them to understand and use.
She wasn't! Check all grammar books around the world and all of them will comply with her.
@@alexfelker1348
There's no doubt it my friend, I learned English by studying Grammar in textbooks and practicing BUT when you go to the USA or other English speaking country you realize that there can be some changes.
@@fredylopez2477Yeah, you might encounter nonstandard English. Anyway, do you study linguistics?
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No my friend, I'm just a bilingual guy, my mother tongue's Spanish. I just studied the English language and then I had the chance to travel to the USA and I learned and little bit more.
But I'm subscribed to several channels with native speakers as teachers 'cause I think and feel that I'm losing fluency and I need to brush up on it.
0:17 Okay, we can use both 'made of' and 'made out of' for any material.
But, for example, if we're talking about something built from recycled materials, which one should we use: 'made of' or 'made out of' ?
According to diferences, "made with" BUT if you use "made of or made out of" any native can understand what you're trying to mean.
ok, i get most of the explanation here. However, each time you use "native speakers say" as an argument to prove certain words/phrasing is correct, i can't help but doubt - because native speakers DO use grammatically wrong forms too, these forms might even be commonly used. Does not make them grammatically right. So are we sure we are talking textbook grammar or commonly accepted usage?
I would say "commonly accepted usage".
I guess some natives know they're not speaking their language according to Grammar rules, anyway they speak like that because they got used to it, it's not that they don't know the grammar rules of their own language.
A common and ilustrative example is; the word "AIN'T", they use it, however it's gramatically incorrect, they know that but they don't care.
What you said couldn't be more truthful.😊 I can understand he wants to correct Marina Mogilco because even a highly educated non native speaker can easily spot her mistakes .
But in MHO, it sounds awkward to correct every teacher's " so-called mistake.""
He said, " Wait on ....is correct because non native speakers say it.
Nooooo....
Grammatically, it's incorrect.
He has to know as highly educated as one can be , one is not exempt from " tiny teeny Mistakes "
@@blessingadou-h5l
"Wait on" is correct since native speakers say it NOT non-native speakers, even though it has another meaning.
"waiting on" is what waiters do in a restaurant, they wait on people inside the restaurant.
It's just that the most used expression or verb used by natives is "wait for".
If a grammar text book says you're wrong, you're completly wrong even though people use the wrong way all the time. You have to know you can't express the wrong way at university, for example!
Yes you right but i can ubderstand kevin too he talk about midrn english like lay and lie
Guys, it's very strange way to prove Your point :) regular speakers could say any way they can/want/please. but what about books -- classical Ones ;D
Text books and dictionaries are correct and I agree with them because they teach you what's correct and that's always right.
BUT, when speaking, things change 'cause natives don't always follow the grammar rules of their own language, I mean, some natives don't follow the rules, not all of them. In fact they know they're speaking wrongly but they don't care at all 'cause they got used to speaking that way, as simple as that.
I love Lucy . I have learned a lot with her. She is my favorite English Teacher.
You can use both expressions interchangeably, but the idea being conveyed is slightly different. "Out of" carries the idea of transformation from one thing into another. Both have the same meaning and are synonyms, but there are subtle differences between them. The only misleading part is your bypassing of the rules and rejection, as logically it seems that the rule doesn't make sense.
The difference seems negligible. I won't bother to find out.
@@janetlee7449 It's not. Made out of is when something is created with unusual materials: This hat is made out of newspaper. Made of is when the substance doesn't change much in the manufacturing process: The table is made of wood. Made from is when the final product changed significantly: Wine is made from grape. Made with is used for drinks, food, chemicals when there are several components, basically meaning" mixing": the vegan sauce is made with cashews, garlic, parsley, etc.
@@alexfelker1348
Those could be the basic differences but, this is one of the few cases in English when (where) you can use all the phrasal verbs interchangeably and indistinctly.
Anyway I'm sure native speakers can understand you if you use any of the expressions no matter the context.
That's exactly my point (I left a comment too)! If a person states that something is not true, they should ideally provide a link to a reputable source to prove their point.
What's used by natives does not always mean that it's grammatically correct. In everyday communication you would probably not pay attention to these details ('made of' or 'made out of') and would be perfectly understood by people, but if you are preparing for a serious exam (e.g. Cambridge CAE, CPE, etc.) I believe you should be aware of the difference. That's why this 'preposition question' is a bone of contention.
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I agree with that BUT only in the case when you're gonna prepare for a serious exam and you'll take it.
Thanks for the difference between forgot and left. Once I've encountered a whole battle where people were arguing so I learned to say only 'left smth somewhere'. That's cool to see the examples where the natives say it both ways.
you are really shark in the English Language Teachers world.... Amazing job!
I love your videos, especially the short clips showing native speakers using the expressions that were deemed wrong by some teachers.
This gives an assurance that we can definitely use those expressions without sounding strange.
However, I want to point out that just because a number of native speakers use an expression doesn't always mean it's definitely correct. There are quite a number of expressions that are regularly used by some native speakers that are incorrect according to standard/official references.
Some of the things you say are correct would be marked wrong in a standard English exam eventhough they are commonly used.
An example is the lay/lie expression. You would be marked wrong if you picked an option that says "you lay on the sofa" instead of "you lie on the sofa" if you're talking in the present tense. In fact, both options would often be in the list of options.
I'm speaking as someone who has aced quite a number of standard English exams, including one required for an American visa.
But I guess if all you care about is sounding American and not necessarily being totally correct, you can take everything you hear a native speaker say as the gospel. That's fine, really.
"just because a number of native speakers use an expression doesn't always mean it's definitely correct. "
Exactly what I thought! At this point I think it's a matter of priority: do you want to speak good and correct English or you just want "to sound good"? Because if THIS is the aim, then the very concept of mistake becomes really questionable.
Maybe should make a video based on your comment "Avoid this nonsense from Kevin and Lisa" lol
@@dadadrdadadr Lol. That isn't something I would do.
@@mrandrews3303 Right. The only way to authoritatively claim someone is wrong is by referencing official/standard sources.
It was quite cool when they were doing this critique style with linguamarina and other non-native teachers who make mistakes we can all clearly see, like omitting articles for instance. But using this same critique style with a native teacher like Lucy is just pushing it.
How do you say a native speaker is wrong by referencing another native speaker? Obviously, you should cite an official source.
@@polymathsmart3361 I think that no native speaker would say;
You must not use the words "said, and very", that's nonsense and they know that, and that's the reference or official/standard source you need
I think Lucy should cite an official source that says "you must not use the words "very and said".
BUT she didn't do so.
"Made of": Focuses on the material's natural state.
"Made out of": Focuses on repurposing or transformation.
It could be a slight difference but according to Kevin you can use them interchangeably and indistinctly and I think it's easier that way.
Made from is about the transformation of the material. Made out of just is more colloquial for made of.
From my point of view all of them can be used interchangeably and indistinctly, I mean;
"Made of, made out of, made from and made with".
There might be some kind of slight differences among them BUT when you're talking with someone it's a little bit hard to distinguish those differences and when to use one verb or the other, I guess only native speakers can make those differences, that's why when I'm talking with someone I usually use "made of or made out of" 'cause they're the most used ones and I haven't had any trouble 'cause I'm understood.
Thanks for corrections.
I usually enjoy the videos on your channel but the part with Lucy’s video is a miss for me.
Even though made of/ made out of are often used interchangeably, it’s true that there’s a very slight change in nuance (“out” does indeed imply transformation).
When teaching elementary level (especially adult) students, sometimes it’s better and easier for them to give them clearer guidelines so that they could feel that there’s a certain rule or structure they can use in their speech. As they progress, they will naturally learn that some of these expressions can be used interchangeably. I am not sure if you have ever worked with students, but sometimes when you teach real people it’s ok to oversimplify things instead of saying “you can say it in 10 different ways and all will be correct”; in some cases it does nothing but confuse them.
I feel like you really didn’t have anything of real value to add to Lucy’s lesson, there was nothing criminally wrong about it either. Seemed like you were critical solely for the sake of being critical.
The rest of the video is interesting , thank you.
Well, I think you're right to a certain extent when you texted that there was nothing of real value to add to Lucy's video EXCEPT that now you can be sure that everybody's gonna understand you no matter if you use one expression or the other one.
And there might be 10 ways to say something BUT you have to teach the most used ones which can be only two and tell it to the students. I mean tell the students you're gonna teach them only two so they won't get confused.
The thing is, when u are a teacher u shld always tell ur students,
that there are “some other words or phrases that u can also use” so ur students won’t get confused ryt?
I watched Lucy’s video & she had 3 choices to pick from but she only focused on “of”. So even me, I got confused, but tnx coz Kevin made a clear video for us.
Or I got confused. Ur correct. Tnx
@@fil-kanophilanthropist9988
So even "I" GOT CONFUSED.
Hi Kevin and Liza. Apart from the video examples, could you please provide some bibliography on the subject?
Regarding made + preposition, I would mention Michael Swan's Practical English Usage, section 522 as reference.
Sometimes native speakers don't speak "correctly", although we can argue what correctness is, of course.
By the way, thank you for the video.
Hi, you really don't need to badmouth everyone to get views. We all know Lucy , Rachel and others are amazing teachers and they ARE native speakers. And as native speakers, they all have their little "flaws" but the flaws make them sound even more natural as being the vernacular we are so used to hearing on a daily basis.
There's no doubt about it, they're good teachers and, I don't know about Rachel but what Lucy said about not using the word "said and very" isn't a flaw because she said emphatically that you must not use those words and that doesn't make sense at all, she's a native speaker and she definitely knows those words are always used in English then why did she say that ?, well I know why se said it
That's why I don't think Kevin's badmouthing or slandering anyone, he's just correcting mistakes that are made.
If Lucy wants to make money or profits and her strategy is to say things that don't make sense or teach things that don't make sense, well, that's her problem, that's up to her.
Right. But people also say " I ain't no nobody'. Just because people say it, it doesn't mean it's right. According to grammar, she's right mate. All grammar books state the same, so we should trust you just because a bunch of people don't know their own language? I think you got the wrong path trying to correct a teacher while praising regular blokes.
To tell the truth, you are the first person who told the truth. That's the point.
That concerns "lay down" especially
American English is good, but in many countries, it is not taken into account in language exams. Words like "statistics," "politics," and similar terms have special rules for when "is" or "are" is correct in British English. However, I’ve forgotten the rule because I’m tired of all these rules. I think it was something like: after prepositions and possessive pronouns, these words should be plural in British English. So, if someone uses the singular form, it will be considered incorrect.
You need to understand that standard English is generally considered British English worldwide. American English answers, even if correct, will be marked wrong if they don’t match British English conventions. Why? Because in my country, as in many others, the books and specialists we follow are based on British English, so their version is what is accepted in exams.
Everything you texted might be true BUT you didn't take into account or you haven't taken into account a very important and relevant fact and that is;
American English or the English language that's spoken in the United States is the most commercial English in the word, I mean, worldwide and even the British speak like Americans; for example; British even use the term "AIN'T".
As far as I know the american english is taught in latin America and that's been happening since long time ago and I speak from experience 'cause I learned Grammar and a little phonetics in my country then I was lucky because I had the chance to travel to the USA and lived over there for almost 10 years.
But the point is that American English version could also be accepted in exams and as a matter of fact, it is.
@fredylopez2477 I wish it was like that in Europe...
@@bozok6360
Yeah, I know what you mean my friend.
I think you both are right. British English is a widely extended standard and so is American English. It depends on which standard you choose and American English has also widely influenced British English. When preparing for exams, it''s important to take into account which standard your exam is based on. Otherwise, certain things may not be accepted as correct. In British English waiting on someone is considered wrong. Especially the use of prepositions is defined differently in a number of contexts.
@@juanfran579 thanks for this comment . Some teachers do not consider these nuances and students face the consequences later ...
As a lifelong learner, your content is liquid gold. Don't get me wrong, no arse kissing intended, sir. In this day and age, when everyone can be a content creator, anyone can teach and sell educational content as long as they know how to edit a video and create a persona. ESL students get flooded with unfiltered materials, making it very hard to pick the wheat from the chaff. Your effort stands out as a touchstone, auditing other content creators and serving as a navigator for students to patch up where they find gaps. That being said, I salute to that. Keep up the great works, you've gained another student.
[plural] a personʼs political views or beliefs
E.g.,His politics are extreme.
[singular] a system of political beliefs;
a state of political affairs
E.g.,A politics of the future has to engage with new ideas.
What is observed in some cases in British English is that when something is tangible, 'made of' is usually used; when something is hypothetical or virtual, 'made out of' seems to be used.
I don't think so, Kevin said that's got nothing to do with it.
British or American English, according to Kevin both expressions are used.
Awesome lesson. Like always.
Thank you. I love listening your video❤
I’m glad that even native speakers argue about this. This is among the most confusing things in English grammar. Unnecessarily complicated
Wait for is just to wait for someone.
But wait for is not only person but also service or any activity.
These are not the same but similar.
Is it really necessary to make content against another teacher? I am grateful for all the advice and lessons I get from you both guys. I don’t like trash-talking the other one at all. Fokus on your own lessons plus Lucy is doing it while being funny and charming and I enjoy watching her. You might learn a thing or two yourself. Not the English itself I assume but the way to teach it.
If you wanna learn incorrect English, it's up to you pal.
But you gotta take into account that when you're a teacher or you're teaching anything, you've got the big responsability of teaching what's correct, that's to say, correctly you've got to have ethics.
I'm not against making a living or getting profits BUT WITH RESPONSABILITY AND ETHICS. and I guess you might also learn a thing or two yourself if you take that into account.
Yes lucy is great teacher but she teaches more traditional way and kevin compare for lucy because she is more british but she is open minded
Thanks Liza and Kevin for sharing, have a good day.
Lucy is one of the best. ❤
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She was...
Indeed, why not say forget? The left, depending on intonation, can sound as intention. Son wear you coat! I left my coat at home. He answers with joy in his voice.
She is a native English speaker
Isn’t she?
Yes she is
I doesn’t mean she’s very qualifié
@Idaaaaaaaa3193 She was a real English teacher for years. Like, she studied how to teach English and she taught several real pupils at school. She's totally qualified.
With all due respect , I do not think of Lucy mentioning it’s the only option to say it. I suggest you watch the entire video of Lucy , then you will see her saying :” IF YOU MIX UP THESE PREPOSITIONS , PEOPLE WILL STILL UNDERSTAND YOU.” She was just focusing on the grammatical rules.
However , I have to congratulate you on your very informative videos.👏👏👏
Thanks
She said you must not use those words emphatically and that makes no sense, I'm talking about the words "said, and very".
And she mentioned only one option "made of".
So the funny thing is that you’re using an example of a native speaker to rebuke the usage of another native speaker. But there are always minor differences between speakers from different regions, not to mention that language changes with time
Thanks 🙏
Lucy is a native English teacher. Stop this crazy jealousy !!!!!
🤣🤣😂😂
I think it’s quite useful to see that being a native speaker doesn’t make you a good teacher.
Sometimes it doesn't.
BUT, I would say that most natives are very good teachers, let's say 98% percent of them.
Dear Kevin, thank you for the excellent show. Forgetting something somewhere and leaving something somewhere are technically interchangeable, but as I understand it, the expression 'leave' does not imply that something was left behind unintentionally. I am not a native speaker and thus in doubt; kindly let me know if that's correct.
I think this is a bit nitpicky. While she could've mentioned that both options were correct, she didn't say that the other one was wrong either. I wouldn't even call her lesson "nonsense", more like a native speaker's mistake.
I appreciate the way you correct grammar, but sometimes these titles are just too much.
I totally Agree with you! We can't underestimate Lucy! This is nonsense!
I wanna be objective, as an English teacher or speaker, she should've mentioned that there is or are another way(s) to say it, but she didn't.
BUT, she's still a great teacher BUT from my point of view she forgot to mention there is another expression that can be used instead.
It seems like neither of you is wrong here.
The sentence "The coat hangers are made of wood" is the more traditional and grammatically standard, as the sentence "The coat hangers are made out of wood" is mainly used in informal contexts.
Thanks a lot, Lisa and Kevin. Lucy is a good teacher, but not perfect. I love your corrections because I can speak English better. GREAT job!!!
i asked ChatGPT about the difference and it came up with the following answer:
" The phrases "made out of" and "made of" are both used to describe the material or substance from which something is created, but they have slightly different nuances:
1. Made of
Describes the basic material or substance of an object.
Focuses on the primary, unchanged material.
Suggests the material retains its original form or properties.
Examples:
The table is made of wood. (The material, wood, is still recognizable as wood.)
Her ring is made of gold. (Gold remains in its original, recognizable state.)
2. Made out of
Emphasizes transformation or repurposing of the material.
Suggests the material has been changed or adapted in some way.
Examples:
The sculpture is made out of recycled metal. (The metal was transformed to create the sculpture.)
This vase is made out of old bottles. (The bottles were altered to create the vase.)
Key Difference:
Use "made of" when the material's original form is still apparent or unchanged.
Use "made out of" when the material has been modified or repurposed to create something new.
"
I am torn about which one I should use after watching this video...
Chat gpt was right what made with or made from.
I think all these English teachers should learn from Kevin and Lisa personally, they should pay them.
When do we use "made with"? Can you explain this, please?
I've notice they use "with" to emphasize an ingredient, like: "Made with real cream" or "Made with 100% recycled plastic"
Mr. Kevin, hello,
Please consider mentioning which version of English your correction follows. This is important because I am studying at a university, and in exams here, our government only accepts the British variant of English. For example, in our exams for English teachers, only British English is considered correct, and American English is marked as incorrect.
It would be incredibly helpful for people like me if you could specify the version of English in your corrections. You often say both are correct, but according to which English? As I mentioned, Oxford English is the correct one. In language tests, if there are five variants and you have to choose one, your answer must match the British one. Even if, for an American, both options (A and B) may seem correct, the British option is the right one in these exams. After hearing your explanations, I am even more confused becaus you are correcting a native speaker , and I wonder if she fogot it or if your variant is considered not "okay" in the UK.
Where's the university you're studying ?.
Is it located in the USA or in the UK ?.
Maybe should make a video based on your comment "Avoid this nonsense from Kevin and Lisa" jk
@@fredylopez2477 in Europe
@@dadadrdadadr I am not a native speaker.
I like you much, you're such a good teacher! You're so attentive to any mistake, are you a Virgo?😄
Thanks. I've learned a lot from you today. Sorry for my mistakes.
Everything about this is for academic purposes only, please don't feel angry or blue maybe I am not writing correctly but the same won't stop me from obtaining knowledge. 🥇🥂
"I don't know nothing about nobody no more" (Once upon a time in America). People say so😄😅😆
Lucy is a good teacher. She is from the UK, that's why her English is different.
Absolutely not... She has good level in English like me I'm C2 in French, just because we are native... But she is not a teacher, exactly like me I cannot pretend to be a French teacher...
1:30 look at here he explained everything
made out of implies a transformation from one purpose to another. We made candle holders out of wine bottles. The wine bottles are not intended to be candle holders but we utilize them for that purpose. The wine bottles are made of glass however as this is the material they have been created with. They are not made out of glass. The coat hangers are made of wood. Perfectly correct.
When you're talking to someone fluently you don't make those differences and you use "made out of or made of" interchangeably or indistinctly and even "made from and made with".
BUT, the most used ones are;
"Made of and made out of".
At least, I don't make those differences and native speakers understand my idea.
I know I should make those differences but it's a little bit hard to do so.
@fredylopez2477 You are correct. The difference is negligible. It was still not incorrect what Lucy taught. If anything she was too exact. Anyway, the OED makes the distinction, so it is silly to use this to "expose" Lucy "misleading" her audience. Kevin does not understand that everyday spoken American English is the premise of his channel only. It might not be the premise of other people's channels. He looks silly when he tries to correct or expose others for not adhering to the premise of his channel. Whenever some advanced vocabulary or more uncommon rule is mentioned he treats it always as a mistake because it is not everyday American English. As if that is what everybody has to be teaching.
@@ramonek9109
Well, I just don't care about Kevin's correcting other's mistakes I just care about learning what's correct and if that requires criticizing, correcting and exposing people who don't do their jobs correctly well... besides, Kevin's a good teacher and a native speaker that's what I'm interested in.
BUT, those youtubers who teach English should be teching correct English if they don't wanna be criticized, corrected and exposed, they should teach English with responsability and ethics, as simple as that.
@@fredylopez2477 Not sure that you understand my point. I was saying that Lucy was teaching correct English. Maybe even over-correct English. It is strange that Kevin dedicates his entire channel to nitpick and put down others but if somebody else uses a rule that doesn't adhere to his personal preferences it is also a mistake. He also believes that maths is incorrect because he doesn't know or recognizes British English as correct. Everybody who doesn't speak in his regional way and social mode is wrong and a fraud and needs to be exposed. That Marina girl can hardly breath without him making a 5 hour response video. Some of the criticism will be valid and correct but a lot of times he crosses the line and it starts to verge on bullying. We already know that Marina has a problem with articles. That is an extremely common problem with Slavic speakers. It is completely fair to point that out as a limitation if her teaching and correct it. But scouring all her content to find every instant where she omits an article and making hour long responses to each of them is excessive and frankly worrying. He needs to realize that English is not his neighbourhood language but a global lingua franca and there will naturally be a lot of variation. Not every minor deviation of standard pronunciation is a reputation destroying mistake. He really is just an unpleasant person in my eyes who instills in learners the idea that anything below his idea of perfection is unacceptable and even the most minor mistake reveals you as a fraud that needs to be exposed by him. They should change the name of the channel to English for anybody who speaks exactly like me.
Thank you Kevin ❤
Thank you 👍
Great.
Often "don't say" videos are absolutely wrong.
The hangers are made of and made out of wood are both correct?Oh my gosh thank you so much
Well, it seems to me that all those people in the first examples are british and they used the phrasal verb or said "made out of", and all the people in the other exmples are american, I mean, from the USA and they also used the phrasal verb or said "made out of".
I'd say that the most used phrasal verb or expression is "made out of" when we talk about the material something is made out of OR something is made of.
Lucy is a studio gangster. Kevin is an OG.
Waiting for you” means anticipating your arrival. “Waiting on you” has two meanings: waiting to proceed but cannot until you arrive, or. serving you, as when the waiter/waitress at an restaurant introduces themselves saying “I'll be waiting on you this evening.
"Wait for" and "wait on" can be used interchangeably and indistinctly BUT natives use "wait for" when they're talking about awaiting someone or something.
And.
When they're talking about serving a customer in a restaurant they use "wait on" the most, despite the fact that it can also be used to talk about awaiting someone or something.
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Lucy is my fav english teacher.
When I use translators they all translate "made of "🤦♀️
Translators suck
A piece of advice my friend, try not to use translators 'cause they're not real people.
Most of the time they don't work because there are other options they don't take into account.
Translators are very useful, no doubt about it, BUT NOT ALL THE TIME.
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Please could you put all the nonsense in the playlist.❤
Im my opinion Lucy is great She teaches British English. That's all. I teach Spanish from Spain I know it's different from Mexican or Peruvian Spanish 😂
But you don't say to your students "Don't use the word "dinero" or "mesa" etc... right ?. 😊.
Could you talk about the situation when nt is pronounced as nd like when ninety is pronounced as ninedy? Thank you
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TOILETS is more common in the UK... even in airports!
OMG!!!!! Lucy makes errors tooooo?????!!!!! It's gonna be interesting
Kevin, I want to ask to clarify.
For example, chocolate. Chocolate is made from cocoa beans. Everywhere on the Internet in this case people use the preposition ---from(only). In this case, is this the only correct preposition or not?
Or, for example, paper is made --out of/from/with?
When a material has gone through a more complex production process, what preposition is usually used?
Thanks
When you're talking about "the process of transformation" I guess you can use the preposition "from", as in;
- Chocolate is made FROM cocoa beans.
Or.
- Paper is made FROM the trees bark.
But you could also say;
-Paper is made OUT OF the trees bark.
- Paper is made WITH the trees bark.
(pointing out that it's a process because you can't make paper directly from bark, right ?, there are other elements that are combined in the process)
From my point of view, you can use all of them, they all sound correct and natural to me, no matter if it's a process or not.
@@fredylopez2477 Tell me please, are you sure that when we talk about the "process of transformation", these three are correct to use?
Or do you just think so?
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I wouldn't decide solely based on how natives say this or that. I am not a native English speaker, but in my language, there are plenty of specimens who say things incorrectly. Some errors are so widespread that more than half the population says them incorrectly. Therefore, let's not use this fact as a rule. The fact simply shows that even native speakers in a lot of cases say it incorrectly. Made of" and "made out of" are often used interchangeably, but there can be subtle differences depending on the context:
- **Made of**: This phrase is used when referring to the basic material or substance from which something is composed. For example, "The ring is made of gold." It suggests the material is the main component.
- **Made out of**: This phrase is typically used when something has been transformed from one form into another. For example, "The sculpture is made out of recycled metal." It implies a process of conversion from the original materials to a new form.
Let’s not forget that native English speakers also make mistakes 😂, and sometimes they make mistakes so often that it starts to sound normal to them 😂😂😂.
When it comes to these propositions, this chanel might state the truth, that natives use them interchangeably, be it because of the grammar or out of habit, but for ELS students it’s easier to have structured rules, especially if they are in intermediate level. When you go to advanced level, you learn that the rules you learned usually are not complete, there are usually more subtitle details, and natives speak in many different ways.
8:17, I hear that she says “Let’s TALK about”, so she didn’t actually make a mistake there
I'm sorry my friend but she said;
- "let's look about".
NOT.
- let's talk about" (which is the correct expression).
With all due respect I suggest (that) you watch and listen to the video again.
Her visuals tho 😅
I feel quite ambivalent about this channel. On the one side, I agree to the importance of teaching correct English and some of the language teachers on the internet teach quite a lot of rubbish that needs to be pointed out. On the other hand, this channel is claiming sometimes absolute truth which is a bit taliban-like to me. Sometimes they are getting things wrong themselves which is natural. Nobody's perfect. An example: the meanung of pretty as an adverb doesn't necessarily have to be at about 75 per cent. It depends on how you say "pretty". It can be perfectly at a lesser degree at about 50 percent.The intonation makes the meaning.
What about made with, she said we only use it with food, is that true?
Not only, but very often
When we're talking about "ingredients" but I guess you can also use;
- made out of.
- made of.
- made from.
And native English speakers would understand what you're talking about.
Thank you very much! Please make shorter videos
It's so much better when he makes longer video, I think one learns a lot more.
@@fredylopez2477, Shorter videos are better for people with hectic lives who can't sit for one hour to learn English. Long videos are good for teenagers or students who have more free time.
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In general, the difference is about whether or not the material keeps its form during the process of making an object. Paper is "made from" trees because the trees have changed form and are no longer trees. A chair is "made of" wood because the wood hasn't changed form, just shape. Lucy is right but you are not a teacher and just go read grammar books and do tests
I would say that THE OBJECT GOES THROUGH A PROCESS OF TRANSFORMATION, THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE GOT IN COMMON, no matter the material or ingredients that are used, that's why, in my opinion, those phrasal verbs can be used interchangeably or indistinctly, I'm talking about "made of", "made out of" and even, "made from" and "made with".
And, in fact, natives sometimes use them that way, I've noticed that.
And no matter this;
"Made of"= you can see the main material.
"Made out of" = you can see only part of the main material.
"Made from" you can't see the main material (paper's made out of bark of the tree).
"Made with" they're made with love, effort etc... abstract things.
Isn't she a native speaker??🤔🤔🤔
Yes, she is, she's a british speaker.
@fredylopez2477 Oh but Doesn't she teach wrong English? Why does she make mistakes like those?
She’s is. That’s why being a native speaker doesn’t mean being a qualified teacher.
@Idaaaaaaaa3193 ok, thanks for your comment
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Well, she's not exactly making a mistake but she's misleading subscribers by saying that "you must not say or shouldn't say certain expressions and she knows that they're correct.
The examples you give to show that 'made of' and 'made out of' are interchangeable still make me confused. I remember from school and from all the classic grammar reference books that there's a distinct difference between 'made of' and 'made out of'.
As far as I'm concerned, 'made of' is used when the material is a constituent part of the object and is visibly apparent in the finished product. Example: "The statue is made of bronze." (i.e. Bronze is the primary material, and you can see it.).
Whereas 'made out of' is used when the material goes through a transformation to become an object. The object is different than the raw material in its form and appearance, or has a composite structure. Example: "This cup is made out of recycled paper." (i.e. paper was transformed into a cup).
I can't provide a link to any sources in the comments, but you can check it in the Cambridge Dictionary, for example. I'm almost sure Lucy wanted to illustrate the above difference in her examples.
I've watched your video and listened to the examples you've included. On the one hand, all these people are native speakers and they know what's right, but on the other hand, does it always mean that a native speaker is aware of all the subtleties of the language they speak? What if most of them just misuse the prepositions?
The phrasal verbs "make of" and "make out of" (made of or made out of) are used interchangeably and indistinctly for a simple reason;
# The material GOES THROUGH A PROCESS OF TRANSFORMATION, THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE GOT IN COMMON.
And we'd even add the phrasal verb "made from" because the object goes through a process of transformation too, no matter the ingredients it has.
I don't think they misuse the prepositions, they just use them interchangeably and indistinctly, that's all.
I don't know if you know Spanish but I'll set an example;
- In spanish we say; "usar" and "utilizar" both terms mean "to use".
In English; "to utilize" = utilizar.
In English; "to use" = usar.
# In Spanish we say "usar or utilizar" interchangeably and indistinctly.
@ probably in spoken speech, yes. I’ve seen it many times myself, agree. But grammar books say there’s a difference. That’s why I asked.
I’m afraid these are not phrasal verbs, these are prepositional phrases.
Anyway, thanks for your reply!
This is not healthy at all. Simplicity and logic must be given more priority because different countries, regions, and schools of thoughts have different understanding, rules, and conventions. Because English is a true global language, we MUST set aside these good-for-nothing hair-splitting nuances for a larger audience and community to effectively converse or communicate. Who cares subtleties in a language that much? Only that it brings more unncessary linguistic demons and freaks out English learners.
You might be right to some extent BUT we gotta know what's correct and what's not, the different options we might have when speaking a language and some other facts that might influence our teaching-learning process, that's why these good for nothing hair-splitting nuances, like you texted, are kinda necessary, whether we want it or not if we wanna learn, I mean, if we wanna have a broad and good knowledge of English in order to communicate our ideas and thoughts in a better way.
Lucy didn't claim that " Made of " is the only correct way so it's not misleading.
Exactly!!!!
She obviously implied it was the only correct way by omission. Your golden teacher got exposed. Deal with it.
Shut up, Renato
Well, it seems to me that the ONLY mistake Lucy made is; NOT saying that "made of" isn't the only way to say it.
And from my point of view, since she's a native English teacher and speaker she should've said it, in that way, there would be no doubt about it.
Anyway she keeps being one great teacher, this just proves that even great teachers make mistakes and the only mistake is that she forgot or missed to clear up, she's a human being, as simple as that.
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BOTH CHANNELS ARE super useful! Kevin and Lucy, you're great!❤
Why does this channel like to expose other English learning channels ☠️
Because those other channels are teaching incorrect English, they're getting their subscribers confused , they're ripping them off, they get profits teaching wrong English etc...
omg, THESE SELFPROMOTED GURUS :)))) SOO FUNNY ( i mean those making up rules just to feel more important:)))
and it is also funny how Veronika Max, a non -native speaker, corrects native speakers on what they do with their language:))) Veronika is just pathetic in general. (POLIDICS:)))
Лиза и Кевин! Спасибо за это видео! Очень ценная и полезная информация! Замечательно, что можно сказать: I forgot my keys at home and I left my keys at home! И оба варианта являются правильными в речи! Только есть один вопрос! В тестах на знание английского или экзаменах не будет ли считаться грамматической ошибкой первый вариант, если указано место где что-то забыто/оставлено? Очень часто встречается это "правило"... а может это для письменного языка " left in somewhere " будет единственно правильным или такого правила вообще не существует и по сути нас вводят в заблуждение ролики многих авторов на You Tube, ведь мы им доверяем как носителям языка!
From my point of view both are correct but ur 2nd example is commonly use. (Left)
From my point of view, both expressions are correct and both are used, no matter if you forget or leave the keys.
BUT
I would say that;
If you really forgot the keys, you say "I forgot the keys".
AND
If you didn't forget the keys, I mean, you wanted to leave the keys, you say "I left the keys" because you did it on purpose.
This could be a slight difference.
Good lessons Kevin but the presentation seems very stiff and awkward. Maybe try blinking more or smiling little more often.
Buddha once says to the disciples , “Focus on what l’m teaching you, not on who I am.”😊
I think you are being too restrictive on the meaning of "decent" - I often hear it used in the context of "good" e.g. "she's a decent person". The Cambridge and Oxford dictionaries both have "good" within their definitions of this word.
I strongly feel that the use of 'decent' in this context is NOT a compliment. In other words, Kevin's explanation is 100 % correct. It's not the same as describing a person.
Two different things
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