I had made up my mind on sign up for Arizona state university edx bootcamp, but i was still a bit hesitant. I then came across this video and it confirmed everything i believe about this boot camp. Thank you for making this video, you saved me 14k
Thank you so much. I looked into a Michigan State University bootcamp, talked with a recruiter. I thought that it was directly through the university only to do some digging and found the Reddit post you spoke about in the beginning of the your video.
A few months ago I was debating going for a boot camp. I saw that rice university had a boot camp, and I almost pulled the trigger on it. Luckily I did a little bit of research and found out about all these behind-the-scenes shenanigans. Great to see that you’re spreading awareness, hope this blows up dude.
Definitely going to do a deeper dive on this just wanted to test the waters of this topic before doing a super high-effort video. Talking now to former employees etc.
I graduated from rice university coding Bootcamp last year and still having a hard time finding anything, in all fairness my projects aren’t that great on my portfolio but I’m currently working on DS&As and building a MERN app now. I feel like maybe 2024 I’ll see something but that’s all hope. I want to keep going but idk if it’s worth it if I can’t find a job.
Thank you for saving me money and my time. Almost enrolled for Rutgers bootcamp and have been getting nonstop calls every day. Definitely better options, thanks for the helpful content man!
Yeah I did one with Ohio State through EDX which used to be trilogy and it was a mess. I will be honest. I was excited about the brand name of the certificate. It was from Ohio State. I thought. Oh wow this will look good on my resume. It'll also help with getting connections in Ohio and outside of Ohio too, but especially in Ohio. So I did the program for one week and it was awful. First thing was the pre-work we were told as web development students that we have pre-work the pre-work was 15 to 20 hours worth of work. I did the work about 2 weeks prior to class. I was getting emails from the student manager one week before classes start reminding me to make sure I have my pre-work done because we were going to go over it and how important it was to do the pre-work because it would set you off on the right track if you had your pre-work done because the pre-work is a reflection of what is going to happen throughout the course of the boot camp. So I get all the pre-work done and it was rigorous but also informative and it was information I never seen before . I probably got about three emails the week before from the student manager checking in to make sure I had it done. So the first day rolls around and our instructor never mention the pre-work. We never went over it. We never discussed it. It was almost like the pre-work didn't even really exist. I don't even recall him asking the class like who got it done. Who didn't because I was under the impression that if the pre-work wasn't done you would be kicked out of the cohort or possibly pushed back if you couldn't get it done during that week because the student manager did say that if it wasn't done that we would work on it the first week of class. So it was like get as much done as you can. But if you can get it all done that would be better. So for the students who were not done they still had a whole week to get done from what I heard from the student manager and so we never went over it as a class. We just jumped right into the curriculum with a bunch of people who didn't do the pre-work. Some people did it but there was quite a few people who did not do it in the pre-work should have been an indicator of who should have stayed in the boot camp versus who should have been pushed back to the next cohort because you should not have been in that cohort. If you didn't have no parts in the pre-work done now I can see if maybe you have you know 70 80% of it done and maybe you got stuck somewhere and you just need a little help during that first week we get you caught up is cool but there were people who just had nothing of it done and they were starting from a a major deficit because it's one thing to be new to programming but it's also another thing to be new to programming and you didn't even get the pre-work done. Stay away from trilogy and those EDX boot camps. If you are going to go to a boot camp, just go to the ones that are tried and true. The flat irons the general assemblies the coding dojo's there's a bunch of them plenty more but you get the point😊
The fast pace of change is actually a big part of the reason why it is possible to start a software development career without years and years of previous study. In fact even expert dev have, from time to time , "to start from scratch ". Then of course a lifetime of study expects you, so if you are joining a bootcamp "to get a good job" you are doomed to failure. You need great genuine passion for coding to drive you trough the bootcamp and after... Bootcamps are basically the ideal tool for people who already somewhat know how to code, like it, but lack the sense of direction , consistency and focus to make a career out of their passion. It is NOT for clueless people who have never written a line of code and think that software deve is a job like any other and that everybody can learn it have a successful career with it.
not sure who will see this message but for what its worth... the udemy bootcamps for 20 bucks are just as good as these grifter boot camps. youll have access to slack, discord channels and now you have chat gpt which is basically better than any TA youre gonna get at a grifter bootcamp. in fact, chat gpt will be like your own personal lead engineer to ask Qs to. UDEMY + CHAT GPT = NO REASON TO PAY THOUSANDS FOR A GRIFTER BOOT CAMP
And everything you said is correct about them using the name of the school. Because I asked the Dean of engineering at Ohio State. If you can use your certificate credits towards a bachelor degree in engineering or computer science or whatever and he said no. So there's absolutely no curriculum ties to the university, so the curriculum is not even being vetted or overseen by the deans of these colleges. They're really just paying for the name because if they were so hands-on and involved, there's no reason why you couldn't use credits from a web development software development certificate and use that towards a computer science degree so that tells you there that it's not being monitored by the actual college. They're just paying to use the school's name
Of course, then associate degree ambassador degree in master's degree comp sign majors are going to have preference. But I think when you go to a boot camp you're more so paying for the mentorship not so much the material
I just did one of those boot camps, with "University of Texas at San Antonio, despite it being helpful because it taught me a lot of coding foundations, of course I didn't feel job ready after graduation, so it is very disappointing they promise the paradise.
What's interesting about edX is that Purdue was initially offering some graduate courses there with their distance learning programs around 2020 counting towards true MS degrees. A year or so later they abruptly stopped doing that with them without even announcing they'd done so. I can't help but think it was a PR issue given their engineering program is highly ranked. They still have some sort of contractual connections with them, but it's nowhere near what was initially envisioned and advertised. Now all their courses that count for credit have been migrated into their internal Brightspace environment.
There really isnt much to research on college bootcamps.. like, I honestly cant find many job placement data, or many alumni success stories. I wonder why this is 🤔
Playing devil's advocate, why not include some good bootcamps/short courses that deliver some skills cost-effectively without making empty promises. Some allow you free exposure to the courses (without getting the certificate).
Any thoughts on college bootcamp providers besides edX/Trilogy? Where I live in Texas, I know of at least three providers: (1) Southern Methodist University, who uses edX, (2) University of Texas at Dallas, who uses Fullstack Academy, and (3) University of Texas at Arlington, who uses Quickstart
Wow I was planning on going to Rutgers coding bootcamp it’s a miracle that this video got suggested to me. Do you have more resources I could look into about the legitimacy of these “college bootcamps” finding unbiased info on them is difficult
I’m making a more detailed video in the next couple weeks. I would avoid college bootcamps altogether. They’re nearly all run by edX and they’re horrible.
Yea it's really hard to find unbiased stuff on youtube, there are youtuber's who are like "bootcamps are evil, they take advantage of the fact that you are trying to make money" then plug their service which feels extremely hypocritical
I nearly messed up because I saw they had a coding python online from Harvard I think it was and I have a Bach in CJ I doubt it’s this easy to get in a class setting just by sending an email so I’m glad I waited to see how predatory people can be
I am currently in coding dojo and it is an excellent program a non edex partner. I did the uc Berkley program and due to a technicality I didn’t have to pay but it is a horrible program. The ta’s were rude and not helpful at all. Stay away from edex programs as far as Bootcamp’s are concerned
@@playmakerdaniel In full transparency, I don’t think a lot of people are prepared for the amount of time it takes to study outside of class, it really is a full time job. So I will say that I got caught off guard with that, but the program had like 100 cohorts in it to start and dwindle down to about 85 by the official cutoff. My problem with the edex uc Berkeley extension program to be exact was that they were overwhelmed with too many students. And not enough reliable t.a’s only one instructor which was a very knowledgeable guy who was currently working in the field so he had up to date knowledge of programming. But the ta’s were hit and miss, a lot of them were in a rush, rude, or very short with me if I didn’t seem to know enough. Some even just did my assignment when I came to them with problems. Overall I’d say it’s not a good program for someone with zero understanding in coding. I also felt they were very helpful from getting enrolled to when you get to the point where you can’t back out of your financial commitment, then it just tapers off. I am currently in coding dojo and it’s a way better setup from and educational side, smaller classes, and overall structure. They have been engaged along the way and even reach out weekly to let you know of your progress or lack there of. I feel in this program it up to me to fail or succeed it’s not due to the inefficiency of the program.
I did most of the PY4E course a few months back but had some medical issues affect me and had to stop. Now that I’m better I’m looking at courses online. Currently I’m looking at the Odin project and freecodecamp. What are the options yours looking at?
I've heard fantastic things about the Odin Project but don't have experience myself with it. Freecodecamp is good to start but can be found lacking. Though I definitely recommend it for the interactive exercises. I'm currently working my way through Launch School which is a pretty rigorous school. It will take a long time to get through their curriculum but I believe in their methodologies and am being persistent.
I am currently in the cybersecurity boot camp and have 2 months left and this was a 6 mos waste of time ... the fly through the topics and never really teach you anything. They just present a topic let you follow some instructions to play with it and move on to the next topic. Please dont wast your time and money
Same, I am self taught of 4 months (I'm very comfortable with reverse engineering any website out there (front end only). And I'm working hard to get good with javascript/react and MySQL at the moment. after I finish brushing off a couple more concepts. I'm looking at a few bootcamps where I can utilize the pilot program to the GI bill to do a bootcamp. I reckon what can I lose if the government atleast pays for it
Just got off the phone with the Columbia University EdX and it’s a lot of money and I’m just desperate and tired of everything… I have a masters in data analytics and I still can’t find a job I’m just over all of it
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I just started learning python(2 days ago) Print(“hello world”) I’ve taken a C++ class in highschool, it sucked. But I just downloaded python and I’m sprinting thru freecodecamp Harvard CS50 python beginner course. My problem: Do I keep learning python? Is python useful? Ik it is one or the easiest to use but should I start learning out languages. Everything I see on yt for real software/junior developer jobs is for other languages. Ik learning python will help me in most other languages(if anything just the problem solving thought process) but like I said everything seems to be done in other languages then python. If anyone know a real beginner video lmk. I’m self taught and I’m having the problem of wondering what’s next after basic python.
You need to follow what you’re interested in at first. The most important thing for you to develop first is an actual interest in programming. If that’s python then so be it. There are plenty of swe jobs involving python (make sure to sub I have an interview with a self taught python swe coming out soon). Additionally you may look into data if python interests you. There’s so much you can learn by just diving into python. My advice would be keep going.
I had made up my mind on sign up for Arizona state university edx bootcamp, but i was still a bit hesitant. I then came across this video and it confirmed everything i believe about this boot camp. Thank you for making this video, you saved me 14k
Hey that's great to hear glad I could help a bit.
This content is so necessary to save people time and thousands of dollars. Thanks for the great content and getting this news out!
Thank you so much. I looked into a Michigan State University bootcamp, talked with a recruiter. I thought that it was directly through the university only to do some digging and found the Reddit post you spoke about in the beginning of the your video.
A few months ago I was debating going for a boot camp. I saw that rice university had a boot camp, and I almost pulled the trigger on it. Luckily I did a little bit of research and found out about all these behind-the-scenes shenanigans. Great to see that you’re spreading awareness, hope this blows up dude.
Definitely going to do a deeper dive on this just wanted to test the waters of this topic before doing a super high-effort video. Talking now to former employees etc.
Nice climbing vids by the way. Pssssaaah!
@@ColbyJaxCodes haha, thanks!
I graduated from rice university coding Bootcamp last year and still having a hard time finding anything, in all fairness my projects aren’t that great on my portfolio but I’m currently working on DS&As and building a MERN app now. I feel like maybe 2024 I’ll see something but that’s all hope. I want to keep going but idk if it’s worth it if I can’t find a job.
Thank you for saving me money and my time. Almost enrolled for Rutgers bootcamp and have been getting nonstop calls every day. Definitely better options, thanks for the helpful content man!
Yeah I did one with Ohio State through EDX which used to be trilogy and it was a mess. I will be honest. I was excited about the brand name of the certificate. It was from Ohio State. I thought. Oh wow this will look good on my resume. It'll also help with getting connections in Ohio and outside of Ohio too, but especially in Ohio. So I did the program for one week and it was awful. First thing was the pre-work we were told as web development students that we have pre-work the pre-work was 15 to 20 hours worth of work. I did the work about 2 weeks prior to class. I was getting emails from the student manager one week before classes start reminding me to make sure I have my pre-work done because we were going to go over it and how important it was to do the pre-work because it would set you off on the right track if you had your pre-work done because the pre-work is a reflection of what is going to happen throughout the course of the boot camp. So I get all the pre-work done and it was rigorous but also informative and it was information I never seen before . I probably got about three emails the week before from the student manager checking in to make sure I had it done. So the first day rolls around and our instructor never mention the pre-work. We never went over it. We never discussed it. It was almost like the pre-work didn't even really exist. I don't even recall him asking the class like who got it done. Who didn't because I was under the impression that if the pre-work wasn't done you would be kicked out of the cohort or possibly pushed back if you couldn't get it done during that week because the student manager did say that if it wasn't done that we would work on it the first week of class. So it was like get as much done as you can. But if you can get it all done that would be better. So for the students who were not done they still had a whole week to get done from what I heard from the student manager and so we never went over it as a class. We just jumped right into the curriculum with a bunch of people who didn't do the pre-work. Some people did it but there was quite a few people who did not do it in the pre-work should have been an indicator of who should have stayed in the boot camp versus who should have been pushed back to the next cohort because you should not have been in that cohort. If you didn't have no parts in the pre-work done now I can see if maybe you have you know 70 80% of it done and maybe you got stuck somewhere and you just need a little help during that first week we get you caught up is cool but there were people who just had nothing of it done and they were starting from a a major deficit because it's one thing to be new to programming but it's also another thing to be new to programming and you didn't even get the pre-work done. Stay away from trilogy and those EDX boot camps. If you are going to go to a boot camp, just go to the ones that are tried and true. The flat irons the general assemblies the coding dojo's there's a bunch of them plenty more but you get the point😊
The fast pace of change is actually a big part of the reason why it is possible to start a software development career without years and years of previous study. In fact even expert dev have, from time to time , "to start from scratch ".
Then of course a lifetime of study expects you, so if you are joining a bootcamp "to get a good job" you are doomed to failure.
You need great genuine passion for coding to drive you trough the bootcamp and after...
Bootcamps are basically the ideal tool for people who already somewhat know how to code, like it, but lack the sense of direction , consistency and focus to make a career out of their passion. It is NOT for clueless people who have never written a line of code and think that software deve is a job like any other and that everybody can learn it have a successful career with it.
Wow i was thinking about signing up for the UCF bootcamps and sure enough it is edx damn
not sure who will see this message but for what its worth...
the udemy bootcamps for 20 bucks are just as good as these grifter boot camps. youll have access to slack, discord channels and now you have chat gpt which is basically better than any TA youre gonna get at a grifter bootcamp. in fact, chat gpt will be like your own personal lead engineer to ask Qs to.
UDEMY + CHAT GPT = NO REASON TO PAY THOUSANDS FOR A GRIFTER BOOT CAMP
And everything you said is correct about them using the name of the school. Because I asked the Dean of engineering at Ohio State. If you can use your certificate credits towards a bachelor degree in engineering or computer science or whatever and he said no. So there's absolutely no curriculum ties to the university, so the curriculum is not even being vetted or overseen by the deans of these colleges. They're really just paying for the name because if they were so hands-on and involved, there's no reason why you couldn't use credits from a web development software development certificate and use that towards a computer science degree so that tells you there that it's not being monitored by the actual college. They're just paying to use the school's name
I recently did a bootcamp. Most, if not all projects were guided. Even the final capstone project was guided. Completely unacceptable.
I don't know what the hell people are smoking thinking their 3-6 month bootcamp is going to compete with a Bachelor or Masters degree.
Of course, then associate degree ambassador degree in master's degree comp sign majors are going to have preference. But I think when you go to a boot camp you're more so paying for the mentorship not so much the material
I have a masters and still struggling so idk what’s working anymore
whatever theyre smoking, man it must be strong hahahaha
It’s the skills. Hands on experience gives an edge but there are few boot camp that are really good rest are waste of resources and energy
I just did one of those boot camps, with "University of Texas at San Antonio, despite it being helpful because it taught me a lot of coding foundations, of course I didn't feel job ready after graduation, so it is very disappointing they promise the paradise.
What's interesting about edX is that Purdue was initially offering some graduate courses there with their distance learning programs around 2020 counting towards true MS degrees. A year or so later they abruptly stopped doing that with them without even announcing they'd done so. I can't help but think it was a PR issue given their engineering program is highly ranked. They still have some sort of contractual connections with them, but it's nowhere near what was initially envisioned and advertised. Now all their courses that count for credit have been migrated into their internal Brightspace environment.
Thanks for getting the word out Colby. Great video keep it up.
Thanks!
There really isnt much to research on college bootcamps.. like, I honestly cant find many job placement data, or many alumni success stories. I wonder why this is 🤔
Even worse - the claimed job data that there is out there is pretty hard to fact check.
Playing devil's advocate, why not include some good bootcamps/short courses that deliver some skills cost-effectively without making empty promises. Some allow you free exposure to the courses (without getting the certificate).
Any thoughts on college bootcamp providers besides edX/Trilogy? Where I live in Texas, I know of at least three providers: (1) Southern Methodist University, who uses edX, (2) University of Texas at Dallas, who uses Fullstack Academy, and (3) University of Texas at Arlington, who uses Quickstart
Wow I was planning on going to Rutgers coding bootcamp it’s a miracle that this video got suggested to me.
Do you have more resources I could look into about the legitimacy of these “college bootcamps” finding unbiased info on them is difficult
I’m making a more detailed video in the next couple weeks. I would avoid college bootcamps altogether. They’re nearly all run by edX and they’re horrible.
Yea it's really hard to find unbiased stuff on youtube, there are youtuber's who are like "bootcamps are evil, they take advantage of the fact that you are trying to make money" then plug their service which feels extremely hypocritical
I nearly messed up because I saw they had a coding python online from Harvard I think it was and I have a Bach in CJ I doubt it’s this easy to get in a class setting just by sending an email so I’m glad I waited to see how predatory people can be
Yea I got a partial refund on my bootcamp. After Only a couple months I said hell no! The assignments didn’t reflect material that was being taught.
I am currently in coding dojo and it is an excellent program a non edex partner. I did the uc Berkley program and due to a technicality I didn’t have to pay but it is a horrible program. The ta’s were rude and not helpful at all. Stay away from edex programs as far as Bootcamp’s are concerned
Oh please respond to this and tell me what happened. My counselor and I got a grant and they recommended I try this bootcamp.
@@playmakerdaniel In full transparency, I don’t think a lot of people are prepared for the amount of time it takes to study outside of class, it really is a full time job. So I will say that I got caught off guard with that, but the program had like 100 cohorts in it to start and dwindle down to about 85 by the official cutoff. My problem with the edex uc Berkeley extension program to be exact was that they were overwhelmed with too many students. And not enough reliable t.a’s only one instructor which was a very knowledgeable guy who was currently working in the field so he had up to date knowledge of programming. But the ta’s were hit and miss, a lot of them were in a rush, rude, or very short with me if I didn’t seem to know enough. Some even just did my assignment when I came to them with problems. Overall I’d say it’s not a good program for someone with zero understanding in coding. I also felt they were very helpful from getting enrolled to when you get to the point where you can’t back out of your financial commitment, then it just tapers off. I am currently in coding dojo and it’s a way better setup from and educational side, smaller classes, and overall structure. They have been engaged along the way and even reach out weekly to let you know of your progress or lack there of. I feel in this program it up to me to fail or succeed it’s not due to the inefficiency of the program.
I did most of the PY4E course a few months back but had some medical issues affect me and had to stop. Now that I’m better I’m looking at courses online. Currently I’m looking at the Odin project and freecodecamp. What are the options yours looking at?
I've heard fantastic things about the Odin Project but don't have experience myself with it. Freecodecamp is good to start but can be found lacking. Though I definitely recommend it for the interactive exercises.
I'm currently working my way through Launch School which is a pretty rigorous school. It will take a long time to get through their curriculum but I believe in their methodologies and am being persistent.
Quickstart is another company that partners with schools that has an equally bad rep.
I am currently in the cybersecurity boot camp and have 2 months left and this was a 6 mos waste of time ... the fly through the topics and never really teach you anything. They just present a topic let you follow some instructions to play with it and move on to the next topic. Please dont wast your time and money
This is why I just went to a university to get my comp sci degree instead of a bootcamp.
I still have my GI bill left over, would you be able to recommend any coding bootcamps that are vet friendly?
Hey Isaac. I haven't specifically looked into that. Definitely worth looking into though. Thanks for your service.
Same, I am self taught of 4 months (I'm very comfortable with reverse engineering any website out there (front end only). And I'm working hard to get good with javascript/react and MySQL at the moment. after I finish brushing off a couple more concepts. I'm looking at a few bootcamps where I can utilize the pilot program to the GI bill to do a bootcamp. I reckon what can I lose if the government atleast pays for it
Just got off the phone with the Columbia University EdX and it’s a lot of money and I’m just desperate and tired of everything… I have a masters in data analytics and I still can’t find a job I’m just over all of it
Omg that’s the one I’m enrolling for rn
did you do it? I'm considering the AI bootcamp
Hi!!
im really searching for contents and videos regarding edx dental courses.. i found a dental implant course of hongkong university... kindly help me with this and guide me should i purchase it,like is it worth spending $99 dollars?
should i get the certificate and does its useful in my entire my life??
Sir kindly help me with this !
I just started learning python(2 days ago)
Print(“hello world”)
I’ve taken a C++ class in highschool, it sucked. But I just downloaded python and I’m sprinting thru freecodecamp Harvard CS50 python beginner course.
My problem:
Do I keep learning python? Is python useful? Ik it is one or the easiest to use but should I start learning out languages. Everything I see on yt for real software/junior developer jobs is for other languages. Ik learning python will help me in most other languages(if anything just the problem solving thought process) but like I said everything seems to be done in other languages then python.
If anyone know a real beginner video lmk. I’m self taught and I’m having the problem of wondering what’s next after basic python.
You need to follow what you’re interested in at first. The most important thing for you to develop first is an actual interest in programming. If that’s python then so be it. There are plenty of swe jobs involving python (make sure to sub I have an interview with a self taught python swe coming out soon). Additionally you may look into data if python interests you.
There’s so much you can learn by just diving into python. My advice would be keep going.
What boot camp should I go to?
Tech Elevator
What if I get the Bootcamp paid for for free
Then the only investment you have to consider is your time.
@@ColbyJaxCodesthanks for the video and reply
Coding Dojo is a HUGE waste of time and money. DON'T DO IT.
There is so much more value in Udemy courses.
Good to hear - curious to hear more detail about your experience.
ED X = ITT Tech
Nucamp aka Nuscam, Beware 50% Cancellation fee