MORE TROUBLE WITH OLD MODEL STEAM ENGINES

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  • @Designandrew
    @Designandrew 7 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    its so fantastic that someone is making these type of videos. This information is INVALUABLE and historically would have only ever been passed on via direct one on one experience, or at most one on say 30 in a classroom environment, where as you are literally educating potentially hundreds of thousands of people. You are inspiring the future model engineers and that, to me, is invaluable. Well done sir.

  • @PCMrX.9961
    @PCMrX.9961 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    To resurface a flat surface that is warped. 1 Use a sheet of flat glass. 2 Lay a sheet of wet or dry sandpaper face up rough side up. 3 Soak with cleaning solvent. 4 Lay object on sandpaper and push down evenly not to hard and work it in a (figure 8). This gives equal wear on work piece. If you work in a circle you will wear down the outside edges and not the center evenly. I have rebuilt many porsche carburetor's. This cures air leaks and results in surging at low RPM you resurface all mating parts and rebuild throttle bushings with line bore.
    Regards; Phil

  • @gravedigr12
    @gravedigr12 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I thank you for these videos they make me feel like I am a child working on an engine with my father again as he would explain what every part did and it means a lot to me how much you have taught me about steam engines cheers and I wish you all the best.

  • @chrispza
    @chrispza 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is how a craftsman should operate. Well done, sir.

  • @Thefreakyfreek
    @Thefreakyfreek 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    the second model steam engine i worked on it made it completely myself even al the screws I made myself cuting treads on a lahte it was the best experience ever I my workshop it is a engine like this one but a single piston I love it thanks for the inspiration it took me 10 months but worth it im 21 now I hope to stil be doing this when I'm 80 or so

  • @TheAngryFinnishPerson
    @TheAngryFinnishPerson 7 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    I do enjoy the deadpan commentary.

  • @davidpayton8336
    @davidpayton8336 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much sir for the comical remarks as you're doing your best to figure out what's the problem. I greatly enjoy your videos.

  • @AndrewMurphy8383
    @AndrewMurphy8383 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    if you don't go in circles u can wear a low spot going left to right but do what works for you sir injoy your videos

  • @mtootm
    @mtootm 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not a huge fan of steam engines but the commentary is detailed and the odd joke here and there is enough to keep me engaged.
    Nice work, nice videos.

  • @PCMrX.9961
    @PCMrX.9961 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    well well if I ever decide to buy a car with a steam engine I will make sure the bolts are not painted you have got me convinced of that. no red or green bolts for me I truly got it. Thank you so much I learn fast. Oh I worked for Porsche for to years and I was also a Automotive teacher. Thank you.Regards; Phil

  • @steamboatmodel
    @steamboatmodel 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    My guess would be a. the valves are not seating, b; blow by on the pistons ether loose or no rings or too small an O ring. As for the surfacing of the valve on the wet/dry paper, when I took Metallurgy back in the dark ages we had one instructor who had us use a figure 6 pattern when doing samples and another who wanted back and forth motion alternated with both clockwise and anticlockwise motion. So we had to see who was watching us do the polishing and match the proper motion, they all got the sample smooth enough that you could see the grain structure under the microscope.

  • @Zappyguy111
    @Zappyguy111 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm surprised you didn't look inside the cylinders. It's the once place air shouldn't just leak through at every point in the stroke. Although it was interesting to learn a lot about everything else that can go wrong.

  • @stevendee2831
    @stevendee2831 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great vid! Wonderful! Wish there were some steam engine guys here! Lots of narrow gauge rail engines in the western u.s.

  • @bardee1
    @bardee1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    keep up the great work, you are fun to watch and the information you provide. Thanks Chuck

  • @mikesenginesandadventures
    @mikesenginesandadventures 7 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I hope you get the job so we can see what is wrong with it. Good video as always. 😀

  • @Bigjobs
    @Bigjobs 7 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I have a feeling that it's because the nuts and bolts haven't been painted a different colour to the engine. I reckon that black paint would do it. :D

  • @crestfallensunbro6001
    @crestfallensunbro6001 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    "this is just a measure to prevent any viewers from inadvertently slipping into a coma" XD

  • @ElectronDust
    @ElectronDust 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks so much for uploading. Like the commenting very much. Very pleasant to here all those thoughts.

  • @shaneellasdaicastrestorati3675
    @shaneellasdaicastrestorati3675 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I enjoy your videos I have only just found them, thanks

  • @davidsobral3607
    @davidsobral3607 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a great teacher you are! Thanks for these videos.

  • @jonnysrods
    @jonnysrods 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Coma. check
    I made steam engines when I was a child. The second one was made out of copper plumbing parts and soldered together. As you may have guessed, just as soon as everything started working great and going fast, it started to melt down! Right in front of the whole classroom. Very funny! The teacher was still impressed, even though it melted down, it worked and pretty well at that.

  • @douglaswhite9095
    @douglaswhite9095 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Keith looking to see what is wrong with the steam engine hope you get to repair it keep op the good work

  • @_P0tat07_
    @_P0tat07_ 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We modeled this exact engine in my solidworks class in college :D

  • @gazzaka
    @gazzaka 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very nice series of videos...
    I decided to make a simple steam engine, using copper plumbing pipe , much like the old mamod types, for use to power chargers , while camping. For this I made a piston from a nail and some jb weld ...., works well actually, perhaps you can make a better one ?

  • @carbidejones5076
    @carbidejones5076 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love your sense of humor

  • @mr1enrollment
    @mr1enrollment 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Keith, How's the tea this morning?
    The other day I watched about 18 of you short videos. In the past I admired the small machines without thinking that I may give them a try. Now - maybe I will! Looks like fun and I am sure it is an opportunity for learning. I noted that you indicated you are an EE. I also, mostly retired now, just keeping the toes in my old job, while assembling a small machine shop at home. I am a bit of a hack - but eventually I hope to become more accomplished. I appreciate your humor, and I am going to offer advice in the hope that I may become the target of a bit of the dry British wit of which you are a master.
    The only surprising thing I noticed while admiring your pragmatism, was the condition of your screw drivers,... I think maybe after 40+ years in the hobby you might invest in some size appropriate drivers. LOL, there you go - that should be good for a laugh.
    All the best, Dan

  • @DoRC
    @DoRC 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    i was taught, for best chance at flatness, to sand in a figure 8 and thats always worked for me. But i dont trust myself to keep the work completely flat so i need all the help i can get:)

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I just do it by feel ...... same way as I sharpen twist drills . . . never really thought about the official correct way of doing it.

    • @DoRC
      @DoRC 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Keith Appleton Drill sharpening is a beast unto itself. i just found your channel and im really enjoying it! I love all things mechanical and these littke things are awesome!

  • @StefanSchade721229
    @StefanSchade721229 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your videos - this is just like meditating!

  • @sawer
    @sawer 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    this commentary is just amazing, love it man!

  • @ElectronDust
    @ElectronDust 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That "going around for the benefit of the viewer" part made me laugh.

  • @plhebel1
    @plhebel1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    very entertaining my friend , Always fun to see the steam engines diagnosis of faults without getting to far into ripping it down,, Like you said time (labor) is money. Looking forward to the next videos and your big build project. PS, like the way you add the bits from the viewers methods knowledge on "how it should be " .....

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The steam pump is a complicated piece of equipment and can malfunction - this one isn't working properly at the moment, hence the need for a hand pump, coupled with the fact that a hand pump is useful if not essential for filling the boiler with water before lighting the burner for a steaming session . . . a model steam boiler needs 2 methods of replenishing the water supply. (These are the rules).

  • @roanhielkema5714
    @roanhielkema5714 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I prefer a "figure 8" movement when flattening any small surface, as the varying pressure reduces the tendency of rounding the edges.

  • @ian-c.01
    @ian-c.01 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Maybe you could put up a list of the problems you can see and what you think are the main reasons it won't run to avoid people guessing. There is only so much that can be seen by watching the video so most people could never guess or offer any assistance (not that you would need it). You point out some of the obvious issues but only hint at the main ones and I am certain you have a very good idea of what the main issues are and how to fix them.

  • @ellenorbjornsdottir1166
    @ellenorbjornsdottir1166 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't know how to do steam, but drink tea while you're doing it.

  • @userunavailable3095
    @userunavailable3095 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The only trouble with these is you get us all psyched up to see it put right and running, and then we don't know if we'll ever get to see it run.

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The engines that I work on all run after the rebuild - please check out some of the many rebuild series on my channel :-)))

    • @userunavailable3095
      @userunavailable3095 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've watched them all. I love watching them. I've learned so much out of watching them, which has really raised my skills. I just didn't know if this one would run, since you said it was just an assessment. Are the videos just running behind, and its already fixed?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I usually run all of the engines that I rebuild at the end of the series, occasionally on Steam too. Very shortly I will be steam testing a boiler for a friend and intend to run some engine and make a video about it :-)) The two boats that I recently rebuilt will hopefully be sailing on a lake as soon as the weather gets warmer because the owner of the boats is of a great age and would feel the cold if we sailed them at the moment ..... the weather here is not so good currently.

    • @userunavailable3095
      @userunavailable3095 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm looking forward to it. You do great work with these. You and a half dozen other folks on youtube are the reason I'm currently employed repairing vacuum cleaners. I've learned enough about machines and what makes them stop working that I'm able to figure out most vacuums now. I had a friend who taught me how to work on cars years ago, but I didn't get the fine details of how play in a system causes it to bind or to break or to drop belts or what have you. I really appreciate the education I've gotten from you all.

  • @godfreypoon5148
    @godfreypoon5148 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you ever encountered a radial multi-cylinder steam engine, Keith? (Perhaps someone was building a steam powered aeroplane.)
    I saw one on youtube, and strangely, instead of cladding it had fins on the cylinders. Quite unexpected.

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes I have seen some radial steam engines, but I just cannot get my head around the combination of an aeroplane and a steam engine .... :-)))

  • @willemkossen
    @willemkossen 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are there any pistons in it? Nothing at 40psi? Weird

  • @kerrygleeson4409
    @kerrygleeson4409 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting Keith your a man of great knowledge thanks for sharing

  • @MrEkg98
    @MrEkg98 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    How were the piston ring seals on this model? Would it still run without compression?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think I previously fitted Silicone O rings.

    • @MrEkg98
      @MrEkg98 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Keith Appleton your very talented keith. Keep it up.

  • @SpencerHHO
    @SpencerHHO 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your commentary is gold.

  • @ancientheart2532
    @ancientheart2532 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    figure eight pattern works best for honing a surface flat.

  • @papaike2
    @papaike2 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ah a Brit with humor, very good indeed. Like the videos as well.

  • @manxman8008
    @manxman8008 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    1/4 inch tapered or parallel?

  • @sonotthere
    @sonotthere 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    it looks like the engine has been run a fair bit, maybe water damage to the piston itself? and it doesn't seal much more.?
    don't really know too much about it. still just getting into this hobby.

  • @daniel.h3271
    @daniel.h3271 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    great video! I have a 70s mamod se1a steam engine do you have any tips on them? thanks

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just keep it clean and well oiled }:-)))

    • @daniel.h3271
      @daniel.h3271 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Keith Appleton thanks!

  • @laszlofyre845
    @laszlofyre845 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Horrible engines need love, too.

  • @viramati5831
    @viramati5831 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Should have been on Monty Python. Great commentary "This engine is bereft of life"

    • @wideyxyz2271
      @wideyxyz2271 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It is a dead engine. It is no more. If you hadn't turned the fly wheel by hand it would not have moved at all....lol

    • @wideyxyz2271
      @wideyxyz2271 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Its just resting governor!

    • @DanBowkley
      @DanBowkley 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's not purring, it's passed on!

  • @jeepfreak18h57
    @jeepfreak18h57 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is there a follow up to this video going into the rebuild?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not yet, but there will eventually be a video about the resurrection of this scrap engine ..... }:-)))

  • @tge1848
    @tge1848 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is it possible to disable one of the cylinders and have the engine run on the other? This might help with troubleshooting. Thanks for making these great videos Keith.

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You need to watch some of my other steam videos when I do just that :-)))

  • @firstnamelastname7143
    @firstnamelastname7143 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Even with leaks and bad rings it should at least move a little under pressure. Maybe problem with valves and timing, trying to push both pistons at same time resulting in no rotation. Real cliffhanger what is wrong here.

  • @deanjohnson1330
    @deanjohnson1330 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    gOOD ONE ON THE ECCENTRICS!

  • @Jim-ie6uf
    @Jim-ie6uf 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I enjoyed this one, too.

  • @GlossyLake
    @GlossyLake 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why use oil to test for leaks instead of soap and water?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Because it works and doesn't rust cast iron parts of the engine . . . .

    • @GlossyLake
      @GlossyLake 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Keith Appleton thank you! Loving these videos :)

  • @Metal-Possum
    @Metal-Possum 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Time to be a keyboard warrior, but if you're using sandpaper to make something flat, put the backside of the paper on a window, since glass is generally relatively flat compared to a wood table or similar.
    I guess I don't so much want to tell you what to do, but rather maybe point out a method I've used for stuff that I've had success with.
    Also, how does RTV work as a gasket material?

  • @akiramaskedbird2967
    @akiramaskedbird2967 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a couple of these kits new in a box.

  • @johndowe7003
    @johndowe7003 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    could you use rubber bushing for the fly wheel to reduce vibrations? sorta like a harmonic dampener ?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have never heard of that . . . . .

  • @WojciechP915
    @WojciechP915 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    are none of the crankshafts solid?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      occasionally, but not often on the small engines.

  • @MrNavyman53
    @MrNavyman53 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    10:13 , you should genuinely go around in a figure 8 because then you never hit the same spot twice. I, however, go left to right just like you.

  • @newtronix
    @newtronix 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Keith Appleton......... model scale Fred Dibner! Class!

  • @martinda7446
    @martinda7446 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Keith quite rightly advised not throwing your engine out of the window, unfortunately I missed that part as I had inadvertently slipped into a coma during an extended nut tightening process, and having missed his wise words threw my engine through my neighbours patio window.

  • @rogercrier
    @rogercrier 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Did you secretly take it to bits to find out what was wrong, or will we never ever know!! Perhaps they forgot the pistons?

    • @llthpofh
      @llthpofh 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      or maybe the pistons rings that wold be my guess seeing that theirs a lot of blow by from the sound of it

    • @rogercrier
      @rogercrier 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      llthpofh It was not a serious comment about the piston! Keith needs no help sorting things out, and my guess is he has been given the job, so will be putting us out of our misery sometime soon regarding this cliff hanger.

  • @bgdavenport
    @bgdavenport 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm a bit surprised that you did not check the piston rings first off.

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      it makes for a better, and more interesting video - it is all an illusion }:-)))

  • @DankMemesForAngryTeens
    @DankMemesForAngryTeens 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Maybe it has something to do with that big ass leak and loss of pressure...?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No, it would still run .....

    • @DankMemesForAngryTeens
      @DankMemesForAngryTeens 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      What if you have a bent crank shaft.. There might not be enough pressure building up to push the pistons... That could be why you're getting slight movements

    • @shopdog831
      @shopdog831 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      hes still able to turn the crank shaft by hand. if it where bent it wouldn't rotate freely at all

  • @gregmarchegiani6656
    @gregmarchegiani6656 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I just can't believe you did not bolt the steam chest down with you bahco spanner. Doing that would have fixed the engine, period.

  • @KM6VV
    @KM6VV 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The S50 Stuart engine has it's eccentrics pinned together this way.

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      A Stuart S50 normally only has one eccentric from my experience . . .

    • @KM6VV
      @KM6VV 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Keith,
      My error, I bought both an S50 kit and a reverse kit at the same time. When building the reverse kit, you pin the two eccentrics together.
      I enjoy your videos very much!
      Alan KM6VV

  • @Tokaisho1
    @Tokaisho1 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damaged valves?

    • @Tokaisho1
      @Tokaisho1 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Very interesting and entertaining video by the way

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Could be, but I think it is a combination of a few problems.

    • @hughbrackett343
      @hughbrackett343 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think something's very wrong with the valves. The air is blowing right through and out the exhaust.

  • @BudFox559
    @BudFox559 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anything can be fixed, it just a matter of how much time and money you want to spend on it.

  • @shopdog831
    @shopdog831 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    missing piston rings maybe or too large a gap in the end of the rings

  • @haraldpettersen3649
    @haraldpettersen3649 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really want such a motor 🧐

  • @kisielthe1st
    @kisielthe1st 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Jokes on you I turn on one of Your playlist and jump to bed, 20 minutes and I'm sleeping like a dead man. Solid stuff I tell ya, better that these ASMR shits.

  • @stevenwithanS
    @stevenwithanS 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Throwing it against the wall, lol.

  • @viking90706
    @viking90706 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ahhh Dry Brit humor how refreshing, for a change..............

  • @Cestrianvlogger
    @Cestrianvlogger 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've come to the comfy part of youtube again

  • @richardthomas1566
    @richardthomas1566 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Denfintley the steam Engin guy.

  • @dakkanTM
    @dakkanTM 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I come here for the comedy.

  • @plateau2002
    @plateau2002 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just slipped into a coma.

  • @boxhawk5070
    @boxhawk5070 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I came here from looking at WW2 ball turrets....

  • @harrimanfox8961
    @harrimanfox8961 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'll stick with mamods and wilescos for a while

  • @Sonex1542
    @Sonex1542 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh come on chap, a good wind up and toss the bitty through some glass. I'm sure whipping the sucker down an alley is also a good choice.

  • @deltacx1059
    @deltacx1059 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    my guess would be piston rings

  • @laszlofyre845
    @laszlofyre845 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    But watch that Action Man,,,,got shifty eyes, he has.

  • @manxman8008
    @manxman8008 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    its a screw not a bolt :)

  • @jime386
    @jime386 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    do this thataway, do the other thing thisawawy.. do it differently. Use peterslicker on that thing. fix it my way or toss it in the bin ;;)

  • @bgdavenport
    @bgdavenport 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    apart from the technical aspect, your commentary is especially witty.

  • @aflatminor
    @aflatminor 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    😂😂😂