Great detailed video, good points. A lot of people that are commenting are trolling or never driven the cars you spoke off. The z4 S2000 and Miata are great cars. It's mostly down to preference. I've driven many Miatas because they are really fun cars. I currently have a z4 3.0si as a daily because of the same reasons you stated. I actually like it more than my old S2000. The lack of torque and refinements sucks for daily driving. When I had the S for over 3 years I had a daily corolla. It was fun for meets and weekends but eventually it was more logical for me to own one car. Now i get to enjoy the smooth z4 everyday. The E85/86 Z4 is actually more reliable than other BMW models. It weight similar to the S2000 and gets 25mpg mixed(lowest I've gotten so far is 21 with sport mode on) . Z4s does not get enough credit, it just had bad rep. Its a good combo of the S2000 and Miata. I'm glad you know yourself well and know what you wanted out of your car. A lot of people do not know that and only care about power and track times and forget about their reality.
Thanks for doing somejustice to this gem and the stable of E85 Z4 roadsters. Most of the hate must be coming from the Mazda and Honda fanboys. All the world's motor journalists are obsessed with JDMs and are very biased towards the likes of Miatas, S2000s, 350/370s and RX7s and barely gives attention or credit to this gem of a car. Overbiased motorjournalism and ill informed biased reviews coupled with the Fast and Furious Hollywood gimmick have all contributed to the rise in hype and value of JDM cars. But in reality, it does not make these cars any more better than the ones in the German stables. I have driven this E85 Z4 and in my honest opinion, it's one of the best sports cars I have driven. Seriously and severely an underestimated car. Chris Bangle's design is sublime and no modern BMW can match this flame surfacing and seductive styling which have been copied by other automakers today, including the Alfa Romeo 4C and the new Supra. The S2K was produced to commemorate Honda's 50th Anniversary and F1 tech was used in the enginnering process. The E85 Z4 had nothing of that. Just a replacement for the retro Z3. Yet Clarkson and his crew from the old TOP GEAR pitted the E85 Z4 against the Boxster and S2000 around the TOP GEAR race track and these guys know a thing or two about cars as they make their living driving cars. The non-M E85 Z4 beat the S2000 fair and square and more importantly, it is on par with the S2K on handling, power, and performance. Yet to this day, the Z4 doesn't get any credit or respect from the automotive community. I think this lack of attention is what makes this car even more seductive and attractive compared to the overglorified and over hyped S2K and other JDM models.
Great video. I purchased a beautiful 2008 2.0i Z4 roadster a couple months ago and am madly in love with her. Absolute strangers immediately recognize it as a proper little sports car and I get loads of compliments. I look forward to checking out your videos.
These motors are so easy to work on. Especially on the Z4. Lots of people do not realize that. First thing to go wrong is the SPARK PLUGS or COILS. Easy fix. Not that expensive. Valve cover needs replacement around 80-90k. Easy fix. Fuel pump will eventually give out. Time consuming but easy fix. I love my 03 Z4 and it WILL NEVER go to a mechanic. TH-cam Mechanic University for the WIN!
Interesting you say that. Just had my fuel pump go.. which was probably the combination of a weak fuel pump and a clogged fuel filter. After I had taken it out the fuel pump worked fine, but replacing it fixed my issue with cold starts and stalling.
I got a z4 too.. I feel so comfortable with this car. It doesn't stress me , it has a lot of room and i have had all these years the coolest road trips. :)
As a s2000 owner I see your reasons... but I still love my s2000 considering, and I've driven the z4, not a bad car, but it's apples to oranges in my opinion for comparison.
Nice! .. I'm in the market for a roadster as my first car.. The Z4, S2000 and Miata is on my list.. The Miata is way down on my list because of the power and the fact that it looks less masculine compared to the Z4 or S2000 ..
Why is there so much hate? If you have the money, go for the overall better car. I really love miatas, but the Z4 has a better quality, more power and is much more comfortable, so I can understand that. Personally the Z4 just looks somewhat ugly to me, but the design is not bad, it's just very individual.
Kudos to your choice! How has maintenance been over the year of ownership? An update video would be cool! I own a Miata and have always liked the Z-series.
He said 8 grand for the z4 and then called the miata a money pit lol, hate to tell you this but a miata is super easy to fix and super cheap compare to what it will cost you when you brake the z4
Did you do a video for fixing the top? What did you find wrong? Mine works fine, thank goodness, but at 119k miles/2006 I am starting to cringe when I use it. I did find the right side drain stopped up (heard a sloshing sound that led me to it! that much water!) and the latching mechanism would not engage another time (pushing it down during the lock cycle fixed it somehow), but I am really dreading a hydraulic failure. I cannot see down into the left side, which is where the motor is. I have read the left drain clogging can lead to the motor failing, but it is too tight to see under the motor. thanks for the videos!
a friend of mine was going to choose between a 370Z and Z4. he ended up getting the Z4 and i kid you not, literally 2 weeks after he go it, with 15,000 miles on it. the coil packs went and it had a faulty injector and it wasn't under warranty. cost him something like £2300 to replace. which is like $4000. its an absolutely stunning car and drives like a dream however. if you get one then just be prepared to pay heavily on repairs.
Same thing could've potentially happened if he got a 370z also. But that being said, if you're not handy and have the right tools, the z4 can be quite a nightmare in terms of reliability and repairs.
Nice video... I recently bought a 2006 Z4 and it’s put the fun back into motoring. I’ve been a long time owner of Porsche’s (20+ years) The 928 being my favourite, simply because they have that soul that you’d mentioned with your Z4. Hence I’d decided to change brands and find a car that has that something special and although the Z4 is not as fast as most. It has that special quality that nearly everyone has forgotten ... it has a soul and is a true roadster, in the same vein as the Triumph TR’s which I’ve also owned.
If you can afford the luxury maintenance, Z4 wins without a doubt. IMO the curves and style of the car are miles ahead of the other two... and with 120k miles, my Z4 still runs in great condition! Only had to fix an O-ring and trimming. I get constant compliments with my Z4 from random people... BMW puts you on another class from Hondas and Mazdas. Good choice!
+residentJ3553 When you say Luxury maintenance what do you mean? I was looking to possibly get the Z4 but only the 2L so it has good fuel economy? Any common problems/downfalls?
residentJ3553 I assume they will only need replacing if the car breaks lol, which covers reliability. Oil changes i know is a common fault with BMW's in general which shouldnt be to much hardship, but mainly with the Z4 im thinking electrical failures.
I own a 135i and I'm looking for an S2000. Given your criteria I think you made a great choice. The refinement, luxury, driving dynamics of BMWs are great. Much more livable than the Honda, much nicer than the Mazda. When you have kids one day, you can trade in the Z and get a 335i and have the S2K as a second car. BMWs are great dynamically steering feel, pedals, shifter. People who say it's for the badge have no clue. Great point about the Miata: yes they are inexpensive and can be modded easily but the depreciation on mods is huge and instant.
Cool car. Keep the videos coming. There are lots of great car reviewers online but I love the perspectives of owners who spend more than an afternoon or a week with a press loaner. Its a totally different level of experience. You handle the keyboard drivers with grace. I admire that. You picked a car over others that have tunnel vision fanboys. To put out this video requires a good flame suit and you have it. Thanks for sharing.
Wow! Such a similar experience! After perusing two Miata's at CarMax in Monrovia CA for about 12k, I find an '05 Z4 through CarMax in Pasadena. Nice clean vehicle - really shames the Miata. I',m redy to take it and zoom but while on the lot I get a call from a dealer in Cerritos with the updated '07 3.0i Roadster under 80k miles and we deal. I am having a blast developing a relationship with this machine and just as you've noted, not much to do in terms of upgrades other than some cosmetic stuff, preferentially based. I've searched many images on line and this vehicle as stock stands TALL! Some intimate touches include wheels and rims, caliper and brake painting, (opinion on powder coating of OEM rims?), license plate frames, (tail pipe tips?), stubby antenna, LED wind resistor, light kits (interior and exterior), (headlights?), wood grain interior kit... I am planning on being with this beauty for many years to come.
I really enjoyed the very honest opinion on this topic. You're not bashing one car or the other just giving your perspective on why you chose the z4. I myself am looking into an s2000 and had never even considered a bmw because I assumed it would be too expensive. That being said for what I originally paid for my money pit mini cooper I could have a very nice low miles ap1 s2k. :/ but that's hindsight
Hi. I have one question. I am currently using hardtop convertible with metal roof. It is really quiet when driving about 60-70 miles/h. How it is in soft top ? Is the sound of wind or road noise annoying ? I mean, I'm thinking of buying soft top, but I need drive longer journeys on motorways from time to time and I am afraid of being tired of that noise. Yeah, I like comfort ;)
Late to the party but I am looking between this car and an rx8 or either the sky or solstice what kind of maintenance issues did you have with this car do u still have it or not and what was your overall experience with this car
Good video, thanks. I was considering a Z4 but took home a MINI R59 roadster from the BMW dealer instead. I wanted a premium roadster that was fun to drive. I still might get a Z4 as it is quite beautiful. The folding hard top on the E89 are cool too.
Hey on the top lines, you think we should check to see if ours is getting pinched before it leaks? or was your lines loose from previous owner? Please explain even loosely how you took top off and on, meaning where to look for screws etc.
Cool car man, but has anyone ever talked to you about your coasting in neutral habit? Waste of fuel and brakes and leaves you less time to drive away from hazards while fishing for a gear.
I had many miatas before, but right now I have a Z4 2.5 & SLK and it's been nothing short of great. They are all good cars in their own ways. What the OP said about the miata being a money pit, it's not the maintenance it's the amount of time and money that you have to drop on the miata for it to be somewhat on par with the Z4. For all the haters, German cars puts you in a different class than a Honda or Mazda and you know it. Stop complaining about expensive maintenance and all that BS. Every car has problems it's about you being able take care of the problems.
When you compare a beemer with JDMs and give even a bit of compliment to the beemer, be prepared to get unbridled hate from the JDM owners and fanboys. Especially honda fan boys. To them, their honda is superior to Ferraris and Maseratis and every single automotive piece of machine on the planet. Thats why we heartily laugh at them in our rear view mirrors.
I have thought about the three cars mentioned here too as well, by the way. I have previously owned a '95 Miata and have only eyeballed the S2000, which never looked quite good enough to me. I ended up with the 2006 3.0si roadster. I love the ride, but it has had some problems which thankfully did not detract (much) from driveability, allowing for procrastination. For example, the left headlight is glazing over, on the INSIDE. Replacement is at least $800, just for the housing! That is my biggest gripe - even for do it yourselfer, parts are outrageous, and sometimes you cannot avoid getting the OEM part. Did I say I love the ride?
Not a bad alternative! I myself prefer the 370z but of course its also more expensive. The 350z is quite considerably larger and heavier than the z4 though so I removed it off my list for that reason.
great review from an owner's perspective I too opted for a z4 over an s2000 as mentioned with a eunos (miata) I would have to pay money to tune which was to much hassle.
Enjoy that Z4 - If I were you though, I would keep it - in Europe, the prices for these babies are rising, especially the 3 litre versions. Over all, I don't get the hate for the car. It's a solid, reliable and most importantly, a fun car that you can daily drive. I'm saying this as someone who is obsessed with the Honda NSX/S2K. All cars deserve love
I too was after a two sweater sports car. Tried many Cayman, s2000, elise, boxster, z4, first and second gen. I soon realized that my preference is a well sorted chassis and engine were the most important things for me. Along with the least intrusive of regulations which seem to plague every car now being made. I also considered what I'd want to keep driving and what I would want to keep forever. I figured I could buy any of the now stale cars currently available for the foreseeable future. So like you said you buy a car based on what your personal preference is and that's all that matters. If you enjoy it it's irrelevant what others might think as it's not their hard earned money being spent. Enjoy 👍
I thought it was a good video. I also considered an S 2000 as its very difficult to find better quality than a Honda. I agree on the torque difference, the Zed is more powerful for low rpm driving. The other issue for me was the room the Zed over the S2000 and Miata. Question for you. What was wrong with the Zed convertible top...? and what did you do to effect the repair? Thanks
The tops of all Z4's from 2003-2008 have poor design in that the water drain holes is where the electric-hydraulic motor for the top resides. Thus, if not maintained/cleaned properly, the drain holes get clogged up over the years with debris and cause the motors to fail. For repair, I removed the hydraulic motor and rewired the motor, as well as fixed the electronic board on it. A huge thanks to my dad for the helping hand with that one, saved about $2000 at the dealership
In 2004 I cross shopped the Z4, S2000, and Porsce Boxster and bought the S2000...the Z4 was a fine car, but the S2000 seemed more fun to drive...all three had almost identicle performance...my biggest ding on the S2000 was its lack of torque...the interior was exceptionally well laid out at the transmission was perfect...we had a Lotus Elise at the same time and as a total package the S2000 was better. Ended up trading it for an M6...which has its own set of plusses and minuses...
z4 interior is actually smaller than nb cabin plus if u get in a head on in z4 good luck if ur over about 5'9 5'10 ur head is going straight into the windshield no matter what.
The one reason I didn't get a Z4 was repair costs and repair intervals, I didn't really read anything good about BMW and repairs online so it pushed me away from it to an S2k because Honda is reliable most of the time and parts are everywhere and you can probably find a lot of generic parts that fit also.
I looked at the Z4 in my recent car search and found it easy to reject. Yes, it has the "refined" BMW experience, but I found that while the car has lots of power, it drives more like a big BMW sedan. I felt like I was driving grandma's 1974 Ford LTD.
Its apples to oranges comparison. Was looking to buy a 2 seater in 07, the top cars were the 911, Z4 M, Audi TT, 340Z, 350 SLK for those who could afford them, those that couldn't got the S2000, Matai, crossfire or that Pontiac thingy LOL the solstice. Now it's 2020 and they all cheap, so it comes down to what you want to do with the car, are you going to make it a high speed machine or you going to cruise it? Stock the 911 and Z4 M will smoke the lower price cars, but higher cost to maintain, so what do you want to be seen in, cause I don't care what you do to the s2000 that 911 always going to look bad ass. I got the Z4 M and after 1k miles took it out and got up to 173 stock. Buy what you can afford is the bottom line.
Just bought a twenty years old z4 3.0i, for my collection. I love to drive this car, I love Chris Bangle style, but I certanly love the engine! One of the best 6 cyl bmw ever made!
I feel that the miata has the best overall chassis. The s2000 has the best engine and the z4 probably has the best interior. I am in the miata life. It is my favorite out of the three. They are all good cars.
Compared to s2k and miata it has a larger engine inline 6 3.0l but it’s still lightweight for that size. S2k engine weighs 147kg while the z4 3.0si is 168kg so only 14% heavier, while the car itself is 5% heavier. While the s2k revs to 8500-9000 rpm the z4 can still do 7k rpm and it has VVL and VVT as well. The M version because of using mechanical lifters it can rev even higher. So a screaming 4 cylider vs the bmw 6 I think they can be comparable in terms of sound feeling Now, the z4 is accelerating faster at high speed and from low speed it’s about the same as the s2k Overall the z4 seems a good choice and at a good price Front suspension is a bit worse Miata is considerably lighter than both so it is still a nice choice and it has easier maintainance. You can buy a used mazda ND for the price of a 2008 z4 coupe. This can be a better deal for spending less money with maintenance but the z4 can be improved to get better performance (dampers, LSD, brakes, etc) and maybe you like larger displacement engines. Corrosion protection is relaively good for z4 as well. I wanted to trade my z4 for a miata nd but I got offers of 10k€ and would need an extra 5k for a miata. I could do it if I found a good condition nd 2.0 manual but I haven’t found a safe offer. Plus my car seems quite good for a 10k car so maybe the best way is to keep it
Why do you keep rolling up to junctions in neutral? Is this an American thing as I know Americans seem to struggle with understanding, or using manual gears.
I'm in the same situation, trying to balance cost with performance and reliability for every day driving. I have a sports bike for the weekend blast but want something fun to drive to work in every day, and ditch the 320d (which is pretty decent fun to be fair). For me, the Z4 ticks a lot of boxes. It may not fit others ideals of "the best" but it seems a great all rounder. MX is under powered, S2000 is overpriced. The Zed fits right in the middle, plus has more low down, everyday grunt than the S.
Honda S2000 is a legendary sports car and is a brilliant car to drive. The z4 is not even in the same galaxy with the S2K. You are in total denial if you think the z4 is AS good as the S2000!
Not everyone is a boy racer. I wouldn't give it a second thought getting a BMW over a Honda. Z4 over S2000 all day every day. The Bimmer looks and sounds a billion times better too.
scoobysaurus302 it's not about being a boy racer. S2000 is one of the best cars ever built. Z4 is not. If you knew anything about cars you would know that.
What major and university did you go to bro? oh and what was that red car that sounded like it had boost at 3:57 ? lol it was perfect timing after you said "driving like a hooligan"
Nice I have a 2008 z4 3.0 si with only 21 k miles on it love the car but hate one thing, that little round screw covering on the side of the middle console. It keeps coming out and I always have to get a new one
You answered your cellphone manually so there's no Bluetooth to the car's headunit and hear through the car's speakers? Radio is sooo basic. No 8 inch touchscreen?
This car is 2003 and bluetooth didn't become an option/standard on cars until 2004. That being said.. I do have bluetooth but don't use it when recording vlogs. :)
was your budget only 10k? I would be wary of a Z4 with 90k miles. (at least it's not a pre '06 Boxster). The S2000 is bullet proof in terms of reliability. There are folks on S2ki.com that have 275k plus miles, and running great - even with f/i. If you want to keep this vehicle for years and years of enjoyment, it was not the best choice. My MY08 AP2 came with just 39k miles, and I expect to get many smiles per gallon for years to come. anyway, congrats on your new ride. The Z4 is definitely a sporty car, and everywhere you go, ppl will assume you're a wealthy dude - helps with the chicks lol. But because of the rarity and mythical status of the S2000 (aside from the NSX, Honda is today known for reliable but unexciting cars) - I get alot of attention in the S - ppl taking pictures, "is that a ferrari?", etc. Many ppl have heard of S2000s, but have never seen one in person, I constantly have ppl cruising a few car lengths behind me just to have a glimpse of the S. This is crazy because I live in SoCal, where there is more concentration of the S than anywhere else in the US. Still, it's a rare car, with 110k built, 55k in the USA, and probably 45k actually on the streets - accounting for garage queens and totaled vehicles. (AP1 S2Ks had a tendency to wrap itself around a tree for unexperienced drivers thinking they are Johnny Tran from the fast and the furious. The Z4 is not pedestrian by any stretch of the imagination, but the S2000 is simply an "ICONIC" vehicle, an example of Honda at its peak. The S2000 is the perfect sports car - well almost perfect. The handling is insane. The only dings I would give it are 1) light steering and numb feel; 2) too tail-happy at the limits, since the rear aero creates alot of lift at speed. Both can be remedied by disabling the electronic powered steering (EPS) and adding a rear wing. Of course, this doesn't apply to everyday driving, only when you push it to extremes on the track. With all that said, I'd still love to own a Z4, since the BMW badge makes everyone assume you are a wealthy-ass dude. lulz
Workoutfanatic, I live in the very north part of Texas, in a town where there's only 2 S2000, mine and another guy's s2k... Lots of people give me compliments about my car, and I had lots of people that would stop by and look at it since they've never seeb one lol now when I go to Dallas also is very rare when I get to see any s2k s around lol
'Rarity & mythical status of the S2000' 'Many people have heard of S2000s, have never seen one.' Heck that car is my favourite of all time. I live in Manchester UK and I've only ever seen 2 in my life. One on Wilmslow road when I was a little boy, the other 2 weeks ago on a train to Birmingham, it was a mile away in a car park, all I could see was its rear light and roof.
You are right sir. Just had an opportunity last week with the new Miata! My only gripe is that I wish it were lighter, but it is a DAMN FUN car to drive!!
Hey I'm in having a mid life crisis only I'm 18 but same concept I was wondering what's good roadster for a college kid I love the Z4 looks and and sounds I could tolerate an S2000 but no Subaru or Mazda would ever interest me I would definitely take a Porsche any suggestions?
Had a Z3M, 19 year old here. I recommend a Z3 2.8 since those should be down in price now and relatively easy to maintain since E36s are relatively cheap now. Me? Moving to a GT-R in a few months.
Did you do your research on reliability, cost of parts and maintenance? The S2000 has the Z4 beat in that arena. The reason that car was so inexpensive is common for German cars. Their resale value is horrible after the warranty expires because of the cost to repair them.
David Bern You're right, but that's for the average person who has to bring their car to a mechanic. I've saved myself thousands in repair bills (fixing automatic roof etc).
David Bern To a certain extent. For example, not only did I fix the roof for no money at all, I increased its reliability by re-engineering it so that it won't fail again. You can't do that for everything, but being handy makes the running cost of both cars virtually the same for me.
I've done the same analysis, Z4 and NC Mx-5 are overpriced for given the year/miles, you can find a low mileage Z4 for under 10K easy. the Z4 is under-appreciated, and a steal to buy used. my family has driven a BMW for over 15 years, if there is no oil leak, other issues are none-issue if you are handy enough. each to his own, cheers
I test drove a S2000 and fell in love. It just felt right. Idk what you're talking about that you have to drive it at high rpm's to get it going, because when I drove it, I'd shift it at 4-5k rpm and it was quick, well my opinion anyway... And when you want to drive it at high rpm's, the vtec is crazy wonderful, just brings a smile to my face.
It is....for other cars, but when you have a 9k redline I think it's fine, that's what the engine is made for, no? But anyways, I bought it and it's my daily, and it's awesome.
TheJimmyster I'm sure its awesome, don't get me wrong. But I don't know how I feel about having to rev to 4-5k rpm just to keep up with other cars due to lack of torque at lower rpms. The car gets loud above 3k rpm already. But really, if that's what you're into, then that's fine by me.. everyone has their own preference.
True, it does get loud I guess, especially when I first drove it, I was like, "holy hell, it feels like the engine's about to explode", but I've grown accustomed to it. And vtec doesn't kick in 'til 5500-6000 rpm, but I shift before that. It really does come down to preference at the end of the day, so whatever feels right for you, go for it. I've always been fond of the "Z's" and "M's", not really into the "i's" as I always see those.
each his own.. but did u watch the TOPGEAR BBC comparision between the porsche, z4, and the s2000? S2000 won... car of the year for 7 years in a row...
I am so agreeing with you, the S2000 is a little less of a daily driver, I am located in norway, and well the weather here makes me wanna buy a z4, but the s2000 is just amazing, so its a hard choice... I love the s2000! The z4 is nice too, but I also agree that the front is just... wrong.
S2000 for sure, just because it's a "Honda" doesn't mean that it's not as good as the BMW, S2000 is a special car and this is coming from a Miata owner who would pick S2000 over Z4 any day. I've seen a couple of S2000 in real life and I turned my head just to look at it, when I see a Z4 its meh.
Love my MX5, and I've already started modding it. The reason I picked it is because it's a Mazda (I had a 6), but I would love to some day own a Z4 or S2000 simply because I like them as well. Screw that whole family thing! lol
S2000 is in a different class from the MX-5. Better handling, f1 inspired engine. Although I am a huge fan of the MX-5. You cannot beat the lightweight. I chose an S2000 over a Z4 because 1) S2000 is an iconic car that has timeless styling, a future rare classic; 2) much better track toy, due to the superior handling, double wishbone, 50/50 distribution. Z4 ain't no slouch, but the S2000 all the way! My next car will be my daily, the BRZ.
I was making a decision between s2k and z4.. both are great car.. but picked the z4. my reasons were, i am paying lots of money and there is no luxury, no interior quality, and not that powerful ( for me ) and not that attractive for the people nowadays.. so thought and thought and thought.. tried my friends 2008 s2k, and tried z4 at the dealer.. my heart was saying pick the s2k, but my mind was saying noo way !! get a good controled, luxury, safety and german car.. so after having two different hondas in my life ( 97civic ex and 02 ep3 ) I got my bebe its 06 z4 3.0si... I have been own it since 1000mil, had no problem yet and love it.. yes s2k is still great car but, i really couldnt feel my self in it safety.. it goes but doesnt not where it goes.. but on the otherside bmw is a really great car.. so everyones thinking are different but love my car.. can beat any s2k any 350z any shit american muscles except 5.0..
That GPW S2000 would have been an investment down the line. They are rare and hold value like no other. I paid $16.500 for my Laguna Blue Ap2 S2000 with 60.000 miles in 2010. Sold it after 4 years with 99.000 miles and a couple of bolt ons for $20.000. If you needed a daily driver though, I think you made the right choice. I wouldn't use an S2000 for that nowadays.
THANK YOU! I'm fortunate enough to have my AP2 as a weekend warrior - it really is a gem. I truly think they will be fetching serious coin in 10-15 years even....just so hard to stay out of the drivers seat! Lol I've put 3,100 miles on mine in 2 months already.
These 3 cars have the coolest fastbacks, the z4 fastback, the spoon s2000, and the custom fastback miata. Theres a downside to all of them. The z4 has a weird front, the s2k rear is big compared to the front, and the miata is slow. I think I'll go with the custom miata and maybe I'll build as I go
whats this hate agaisnt bmw? The people hating on it cant work on cars because parts are not as expensive as people say; its the labor. My z3 has been just as bullet proof as my miata and do all the work myself at 20 if I can do it anyone can.
was your budget only 10k? I would be wary of a Z4 with 90k miles. (at least it's not a pre '06 Boxster). If you want to keep this vehicle for years and years of enjoyment, it was not the best choice. My MY08 AP2 came with just 39k miles, and I expect to get many smiles per gallon for years to come. anyway, congrats on your new ride. The Z4 is definitely a sporty car, and everywhere you go, ppl will assume you're a wealthy dude - helps with the chicks lol.
Nice video, I was in the same situation Dec. 2014. Except my list included, 370Z, FRS/BRZ, MX-5, S2000, and Z4. I ended up with the S2000. It was as you said a little more expensive, but for me I was mainly scared of BMW repairs and all the things that make the S2000 what it is, is nonexistent these days and we'll prob never see another one like it. I was strongly looking at the Z4, 370Z and S2000 at the end of the day. Dropped the mx-5 off because of power and it just didn't pull me in like the others did. All in all I agree with all your points about the Z4 and daily driving it. I came from a 04 civic with a REALLY stiff suspension so to daily the S2000 isn't bad at all in my book.
My NC is really good in turns, and the power doesn't bother me too much. I love how light it is... And I picked it up because it had only 16k miles on it. Already got an AEM intake and RS2 muffler which adds a bit of power and hopefully I'll get the header and midpipe taken care of soon to get some of that extra power... As I said in my comment above, provided I can get one, I'll take another 2 seater after my MX5. Perhaps the RX9 will have come out by then.
Nihilus Got a friend with a NB, it was actually the first roadster I drove. That cemented my opinion that I NEEDED a RWD sports car. PERIOD. Love MX-5's too.
I have a z4 3.0 e85 and drove my friends ap2 2007 s2k and let me just say that im considering buying an s2000 its just more fun and high reving. The z4 is fun but not as fun as the s2k. Yes its more torquey but the s2000 is still more expensive and more fun to drive in my opinion. This is coming from a z4 owner
Actually, with 10k you probably would have had the fastest Miata in the world dude, like 3k for the car then 2k in parts and you have a car faster then the s2k and z4 combined
well to put it simply he didn't have enough money for decent s2000 all tho I think he got a really good deal on Tha z4 and z4 is really nice car just the rapairs cost are killers that's all.
Don't you like the new Miata 2015?? I am not a Mazda lover, (i love s2000) but that one actually is the unique Miata i like, is so nice, sure designed by italians :) regards
lol and, what do you tell me about the z8?? I was comparing that one to the clasic older z3 and i relized that is like a premium or luxury BMW Spyder, so elegant.
+zed4me haters gonna hate! Personally I'd love a S2K but now you can find a similar age/milage Z4 cheaper. My only concern is cost of ownership (repairs, maintenance, etc)
Good luck with maintaining it specially if you gonna drive it everyday, just to change brake pads is a headache on those cars, plus they burn a quarter of oil every 1000miles! And they don't have a dipstick to check your oil level! It was on the news the other day, BMW admitted. And don't even think about the M series, they burn up to 2.5 quarters every 700miles!
zed4me You got lucky then! I thought you said the year of your BMW was 08? BMW start it doing those changes about the dipstick around 08-09 and to change brake pads you have to use a computer with the BMW software to close back the caliper after changing pads! And that is a fact! You just got lucky they didn't do it on that year....
Miata's underpowered and looks a tad 'girlie'. The S2000's phenomenal if you're in gung ho mode and ready to use high revs, but it can't surf along on torque at low revs. The Z4 3.0 has good low-revs torque & better brakes, and is quicker & faster than the other. two. The cultured howl of its six-pot is also better than the four cylinder blat of the others. Z4 3.0 for me,
my dad used to have a 2004 Z4 with the 3.0. it was an awesome car. I still have my s2000. when I'm asked to compare the cars, I say the Z4 is 85 percent of the performance offered by the s2000, but 100 percent more comfortable. the z4 feels like it has more torque but it doesn't. from a top gear roll in both cars at 40mph, they're neck and neck in acceleration. however, the s2000 is Def the faster car. my dad and I found the s2000 to pull about 2.5 cars from 40 to 110. just my .02 cents.
Gearing is a factor, for sure. And numbers matter, but in the real world it's a greater example to factor in the lighter car, smaller tires (less rotating mass), and gearing. The S2000 does have LESS torque, yet it will out pull the zed. Done it many times, stock examples both in great condition. We played with speed. 40, 30, 55, etc. Similar outcome
Gearing is a factor, for sure. And numbers matter, but in the real world it's a greater example to factor in the lighter car, smaller tires (less rotating mass), and gearing. The S2000 does have LESS torque, yet it will out pull the zed. Done it many times, stock examples both in great condition. We played with speed. 40, 30, 55, etc. Similar outcome
zed4me, unique example. browse forums and times and you'll see an s2k is slightly faster. s2000 has more aggressive gearing, lighter, less rotating mass, and more power.
Great detailed video, good points. A lot of people that are commenting are trolling or never driven the cars you spoke off. The z4 S2000 and Miata are great cars. It's mostly down to preference. I've driven many Miatas because they are really fun cars. I currently have a z4 3.0si as a daily because of the same reasons you stated. I actually like it more than my old S2000. The lack of torque and refinements sucks for daily driving. When I had the S for over 3 years I had a daily corolla. It was fun for meets and weekends but eventually it was more logical for me to own one car. Now i get to enjoy the smooth z4 everyday. The E85/86 Z4 is actually more reliable than other BMW models. It weight similar to the S2000 and gets 25mpg mixed(lowest I've gotten so far is 21 with sport mode on) . Z4s does not get enough credit, it just had bad rep. Its a good combo of the S2000 and Miata. I'm glad you know yourself well and know what you wanted out of your car. A lot of people do not know that and only care about power and track times and forget about their reality.
Well said
Thanks for doing somejustice to this gem and the stable of E85 Z4 roadsters. Most of the hate must be coming from the Mazda and Honda fanboys. All the world's motor journalists are obsessed with JDMs and are very biased towards the likes of Miatas, S2000s, 350/370s and RX7s and barely gives attention or credit to this gem of a car. Overbiased motorjournalism and ill informed biased reviews coupled with the Fast and Furious Hollywood gimmick have all contributed to the rise in hype and value of JDM cars. But in reality, it does not make these cars any more better than the ones in the German stables. I have driven this E85 Z4 and in my honest opinion, it's one of the best sports cars I have driven. Seriously and severely an underestimated car. Chris Bangle's design is sublime and no modern BMW can match this flame surfacing and seductive styling which have been copied by other automakers today, including the Alfa Romeo 4C and the new Supra. The S2K was produced to commemorate Honda's 50th Anniversary and F1 tech was used in the enginnering process. The E85 Z4 had nothing of that. Just a replacement for the retro Z3. Yet Clarkson and his crew from the old TOP GEAR pitted the E85 Z4 against the Boxster and S2000 around the TOP GEAR race track and these guys know a thing or two about cars as they make their living driving cars. The non-M E85 Z4 beat the S2000 fair and square and more importantly, it is on par with the S2K on handling, power, and performance. Yet to this day, the Z4 doesn't get any credit or respect from the automotive community. I think this lack of attention is what makes this car even more seductive and attractive compared to the overglorified and over hyped S2K and other JDM models.
Great video. I purchased a beautiful 2008 2.0i Z4 roadster a couple months ago and am madly in love with her. Absolute strangers immediately recognize it as a proper little sports car and I get loads of compliments. I look forward to checking out your videos.
These motors are so easy to work on. Especially on the Z4. Lots of people do not realize that. First thing to go wrong is the SPARK PLUGS or COILS. Easy fix. Not that expensive. Valve cover needs replacement around 80-90k. Easy fix. Fuel pump will eventually give out. Time consuming but easy fix. I love my 03 Z4 and it WILL NEVER go to a mechanic. TH-cam Mechanic University for the WIN!
Interesting you say that. Just had my fuel pump go.. which was probably the combination of a weak fuel pump and a clogged fuel filter. After I had taken it out the fuel pump worked fine, but replacing it fixed my issue with cold starts and stalling.
or you can buy an s2k with 120,000 miles and not have to replace anything lol
@@RomperDudes For more than double the price of a Z4 lol
I got a z4 too.. I feel so comfortable with this car. It doesn't stress me , it has a lot of room and i have had all these years the coolest road trips. :)
napalmaki sounds great bro... how does your boyfriend like it if you don't mind me asking?
As a s2000 owner I see your reasons... but I still love my s2000 considering, and I've driven the z4, not a bad car, but it's apples to oranges in my opinion for comparison.
I still think as a daily I'd pick a z4.. maybe im soft but an s2000 for the weekends makes more sense to me as it seems like a track warrior.
I dd drive my S for ten yrs ...your missing out big time imo.
The S2000 roof is still faster.. I like the latch mechanism as its like a secondary lock
Jonathan Ray Pereira I like the ability to open and close the top with the key fob when I'm inside my house.
Nice! .. I'm in the market for a roadster as my first car.. The Z4, S2000 and Miata is on my list.. The Miata is way down on my list because of the power and the fact that it looks less masculine compared to the Z4 or S2000 ..
Why is there so much hate? If you have the money, go for the overall better car. I really love miatas, but the Z4 has a better quality, more power and is much more comfortable, so I can understand that. Personally the Z4 just looks somewhat ugly to me, but the design is not bad, it's just very individual.
Kudos to your choice! How has maintenance been over the year of ownership? An update video would be cool! I own a Miata and have always liked the Z-series.
He said 8 grand for the z4 and then called the miata a money pit lol, hate to tell you this but a miata is super easy to fix and super cheap compare to what it will cost you when you brake the z4
Did you do a video for fixing the top? What did you find wrong? Mine works fine, thank goodness, but at 119k miles/2006 I am starting to cringe when I use it. I did find the right side drain stopped up (heard a sloshing sound that led me to it! that much water!) and the latching mechanism would not engage another time (pushing it down during the lock cycle fixed it somehow), but I am really dreading a hydraulic failure. I cannot see down into the left side, which is where the motor is. I have read the left drain clogging can lead to the motor failing, but it is too tight to see under the motor. thanks for the videos!
a friend of mine was going to choose between a 370Z and Z4. he ended up getting the Z4 and i kid you not, literally 2 weeks after he go it, with 15,000 miles on it. the coil packs went and it had a faulty injector and it wasn't under warranty. cost him something like £2300 to replace. which is like $4000. its an absolutely stunning car and drives like a dream however. if you get one then just be prepared to pay heavily on repairs.
Same thing could've potentially happened if he got a 370z also. But that being said, if you're not handy and have the right tools, the z4 can be quite a nightmare in terms of reliability and repairs.
Great video man, interesting comparison
Good for you. You picked the car that connected with your style of driving. Used your brain and followed your heart.
boosted 240 aahhh!!!! i shrieked like a girl as the red one flew by hahahah! nice vid
Thanks for the review, i am looking into getting a roadster and Z4 is definitely a contender.
Nice video... I recently bought a 2006 Z4 and it’s put the fun back into motoring. I’ve been a long time owner of Porsche’s (20+ years) The 928 being my favourite, simply because they have that soul that you’d mentioned with your Z4. Hence I’d decided to change brands and find a car that has that something special and although the Z4 is not as fast as most. It has that special quality that nearly everyone has forgotten ... it has a soul and is a true roadster, in the same vein as the Triumph TR’s which I’ve also owned.
If you can afford the luxury maintenance, Z4 wins without a doubt. IMO the curves and style of the car are miles ahead of the other two... and with 120k miles, my Z4 still runs in great condition! Only had to fix an O-ring and trimming. I get constant compliments with my Z4 from random people... BMW puts you on another class from Hondas and Mazdas. Good choice!
+residentJ3553 When you say Luxury maintenance what do you mean? I was looking to possibly get the Z4 but only the 2L so it has good fuel economy? Any common problems/downfalls?
+Strength RD Everything is expensive. Oil changes, factory replacement parts and repair, etc... Be ready to spend!
+Strength RD Look at forums for common problems for your car year and model
residentJ3553 I assume they will only need replacing if the car breaks lol, which covers reliability. Oil changes i know is a common fault with BMW's in general which shouldnt be to much hardship, but mainly with the Z4 im thinking electrical failures.
+Strength RD Haven't had any problems so far. Still running strong!
Well said. Great reasons. Glad you compared all three. Same reasons for us. High five.
I own a 135i and I'm looking for an S2000. Given your criteria I think you made a great choice. The refinement, luxury, driving dynamics of BMWs are great. Much more livable than the Honda, much nicer than the Mazda. When you have kids one day, you can trade in the Z and get a 335i and have the S2K as a second car. BMWs are great dynamically steering feel, pedals, shifter. People who say it's for the badge have no clue.
Great point about the Miata: yes they are inexpensive and can be modded easily but the depreciation on mods is huge and instant.
+Michael Cohen Very valid points.
Cool car. Keep the videos coming. There are lots of great car reviewers online but I love the perspectives of owners who spend more than an afternoon or a week with a press loaner. Its a totally different level of experience.
You handle the keyboard drivers with grace. I admire that. You picked a car over others that have tunnel vision fanboys. To put out this video requires a good flame suit and you have it. Thanks for sharing.
Michael Cohen thanks for the kind words
Wow! Such a similar experience! After perusing two Miata's at CarMax in Monrovia CA for about 12k, I find an '05 Z4 through CarMax in Pasadena. Nice clean vehicle - really shames the Miata. I',m redy to take it and zoom but while on the lot I get a call from a dealer in Cerritos with the updated '07 3.0i Roadster under 80k miles and we deal. I am having a blast developing a relationship with this machine and just as you've noted, not much to do in terms of upgrades other than some cosmetic stuff, preferentially based. I've searched many images on line and this vehicle as stock stands TALL! Some intimate touches include wheels and rims, caliper and brake painting, (opinion on powder coating of OEM rims?), license plate frames, (tail pipe tips?), stubby antenna, LED wind resistor, light kits (interior and exterior), (headlights?), wood grain interior kit... I am planning on being with this beauty for many years to come.
I really enjoyed the very honest opinion on this topic. You're not bashing one car or the other just giving your perspective on why you chose the z4. I myself am looking into an s2000 and had never even considered a bmw because I assumed it would be too expensive. That being said for what I originally paid for my money pit mini cooper I could have a very nice low miles ap1 s2k. :/ but that's hindsight
very nice video but ...
which engine does your z4 has ? in order to understand your point of view .
Hi. I have one question. I am currently using hardtop convertible with metal roof. It is really quiet when driving about 60-70 miles/h. How it is in soft top ? Is the sound of wind or road noise annoying ? I mean, I'm thinking of buying soft top, but I need drive longer journeys on motorways from time to time and I am afraid of being tired of that noise. Yeah, I like comfort ;)
Late to the party but I am looking between this car and an rx8 or either the sky or solstice what kind of maintenance issues did you have with this car do u still have it or not and what was your overall experience with this car
Good video, thanks. I was considering a Z4 but took home a MINI R59 roadster from the BMW dealer instead. I wanted a premium roadster that was fun to drive. I still might get a Z4 as it is quite beautiful. The folding hard top on the E89 are cool too.
Hey on the top lines, you think we should check to see if ours is getting pinched before it leaks? or was your lines loose from previous owner? Please explain even loosely how you took top off and on, meaning where to look for screws etc.
Cool car man, but has anyone ever talked to you about your coasting in neutral habit? Waste of fuel and brakes and leaves you less time to drive away from hazards while fishing for a gear.
I had many miatas before, but right now I have a Z4 2.5 & SLK and it's been nothing short of great. They are all good cars in their own ways. What the OP said about the miata being a money pit, it's not the maintenance it's the amount of time and money that you have to drop on the miata for it to be somewhat on par with the Z4. For all the haters, German cars puts you in a different class than a Honda or Mazda and you know it. Stop complaining about expensive maintenance and all that BS. Every car has problems it's about you being able take care of the problems.
SuperSw21 every car has problems
S2K is life doe ;-/
When you compare a beemer with JDMs and give even a bit of compliment to the beemer, be prepared to get unbridled hate from the JDM owners and fanboys. Especially honda fan boys. To them, their honda is superior to Ferraris and Maseratis and every single automotive piece of machine on the planet. Thats why we heartily laugh at them in our rear view mirrors.
The Honda guys will have their cars around longer on the road so they won the war
I have thought about the three cars mentioned here too as well, by the way. I have previously owned a '95 Miata and have only eyeballed the S2000, which never looked quite good enough to me. I ended up with the 2006 3.0si roadster. I love the ride, but it has had some problems which thankfully did not detract (much) from driveability, allowing for procrastination. For example, the left headlight is glazing over, on the INSIDE. Replacement is at least $800, just for the housing! That is my biggest gripe - even for do it yourselfer, parts are outrageous, and sometimes you cannot avoid getting the OEM part. Did I say I love the ride?
Great video! I was going for the BMW Z4 also. Ended up having money problems so I got a 350z for $3500 with oil leak.
Not a bad alternative! I myself prefer the 370z but of course its also more expensive. The 350z is quite considerably larger and heavier than the z4 though so I removed it off my list for that reason.
@@zed4me 350Z >>> Z4. ....................¿! BMWs from 2000s are NOT reliable.
@@pokermang5426 e36 isn't reliable? nice try... koolaide sipper
I love my 2.5i Z4
great review from an owner's perspective I too opted for a z4 over an s2000 as mentioned with a eunos (miata) I would have to pay money to tune which was to much hassle.
What was wrong with the convertible top??
Just bought an 03 Z4 3.0I 6 speed manual. Love that freakin thing . Black on black .
You talked so much about your choice but forgot to mention what engine and spec your car is. Is this the e85 or e89 and what engine please. Thank you
I think he has a 03 e85 3.0
Great video
Enjoy that Z4 - If I were you though, I would keep it - in Europe, the prices for these babies are rising, especially the 3 litre versions.
Over all, I don't get the hate for the car. It's a solid, reliable and most importantly, a fun car that you can daily drive. I'm saying this as someone who is obsessed with the Honda NSX/S2K.
All cars deserve love
Yes bro. I have one and it gets alot of hate on the roads. Everyone wants to race and cut in and just treat you like a douchbag.
@@sonof69star wow! My exact experience.
Why is the headrest at neck height?
I too was after a two sweater sports car. Tried many Cayman, s2000, elise, boxster, z4, first and second gen. I soon realized that my preference is a well sorted chassis and engine were the most important things for me. Along with the least intrusive of regulations which seem to plague every car now being made. I also considered what I'd want to keep driving and what I would want to keep forever. I figured I could buy any of the now stale cars currently available for the foreseeable future. So like you said you buy a car based on what your personal preference is and that's all that matters. If you enjoy it it's irrelevant what others might think as it's not their hard earned money being spent. Enjoy 👍
U can't compare Z to S!
because the Z is much better then the S
Ask that Jeremy Clarksson.;)
Great Video,
I am from Germany, and looking to buy a used Z4 3.0i, any advice what are the important things to consider while buying.
Thanks!
Whether the top is in good condition and works well. Check drains for fluid. Check for oil leaks.. usual stuff
thanks!
i will get back to you if i have some questions.
have you been looking at a Mazdaspeed miata? got mine not long ago, love it! have fun with the z4!
Mazdaspeed L thinking about trading in the z4 for a ND miata
I thought it was a good video. I also considered an S 2000 as its very difficult to find better quality than a Honda. I agree on the torque difference, the Zed is more powerful for low rpm driving. The other issue for me was the room the Zed over the S2000 and Miata. Question for you. What was wrong with the Zed convertible top...? and what did you do to effect the repair? Thanks
The tops of all Z4's from 2003-2008 have poor design in that the water drain holes is where the electric-hydraulic motor for the top resides. Thus, if not maintained/cleaned properly, the drain holes get clogged up over the years with debris and cause the motors to fail.
For repair, I removed the hydraulic motor and rewired the motor, as well as fixed the electronic board on it. A huge thanks to my dad for the helping hand with that one, saved about $2000 at the dealership
I thought it was probably the top motor. Great job! I'm going to clean my drains soon...when it warms a bit. Zed's are awesome cars.....enjoy.
In 2004 I cross shopped the Z4, S2000, and Porsce Boxster and bought the S2000...the Z4 was a fine car, but the S2000 seemed more fun to drive...all three had almost identicle performance...my biggest ding on the S2000 was its lack of torque...the interior was exceptionally well laid out at the transmission was perfect...we had a Lotus Elise at the same time and as a total package the S2000 was better. Ended up trading it for an M6...which has its own set of plusses and minuses...
z4 interior is actually smaller than nb cabin plus if u get in a head on in z4 good luck if ur over about 5'9 5'10 ur head is going straight into the windshield no matter what.
The one reason I didn't get a Z4 was repair costs and repair intervals, I didn't really read anything good about BMW and repairs online so it pushed me away from it to an S2k because Honda is reliable most of the time and parts are everywhere and you can probably find a lot of generic parts that fit also.
The z4 has a lot of interchangeable parts also from the 3 series so it's not too bad but definitely worse than the s2000 by far
I am planning to get Z4, which engine you have? I am planning to go with 2.5i, but 3.0i is really tempting.
3.0i, no reason to go for 2.5i
Thanks for the answer. I might have reconsider things then !
Congrats! nice car..
lol 3:55 when u talked about hoonigan, a wild s13 appears
Ivan C yeah bouncing off the rev limiter nonetheless lol
I looked at the Z4 in my recent car search and found it easy to reject. Yes, it has the "refined" BMW experience, but I found that while the car has lots of power, it drives more like a big BMW sedan. I felt like I was driving grandma's 1974 Ford LTD.
Exacly same for me !🤌🏼
Its apples to oranges comparison. Was looking to buy a 2 seater in 07, the top cars were the 911, Z4 M, Audi TT, 340Z, 350 SLK for those who could afford them, those that couldn't got the S2000, Matai, crossfire or that Pontiac thingy LOL the solstice. Now it's 2020 and they all cheap, so it comes down to what you want to do with the car, are you going to make it a high speed machine or you going to cruise it? Stock the 911 and Z4 M will smoke the lower price cars, but higher cost to maintain, so what do you want to be seen in, cause I don't care what you do to the s2000 that 911 always going to look bad ass. I got the Z4 M and after 1k miles took it out and got up to 173 stock. Buy what you can afford is the bottom line.
Just bought a twenty years old z4 3.0i, for my collection. I love to drive this car, I love Chris Bangle style, but I certanly love the engine! One of the best 6 cyl bmw ever made!
I feel that the miata has the best overall chassis. The s2000 has the best engine and the z4 probably has the best interior. I am in the miata life. It is my favorite out of the three. They are all good cars.
The blinker signal works on this BMW!
Compared to s2k and miata it has a larger engine inline 6 3.0l but it’s still lightweight for that size. S2k engine weighs 147kg while the z4 3.0si is 168kg so only 14% heavier, while the car itself is 5% heavier.
While the s2k revs to 8500-9000 rpm the z4 can still do 7k rpm and it has VVL and VVT as well. The M version because of using mechanical lifters it can rev even higher. So a screaming 4 cylider vs the bmw 6 I think they can be comparable in terms of sound feeling
Now, the z4 is accelerating faster at high speed and from low speed it’s about the same as the s2k
Overall the z4 seems a good choice and at a good price
Front suspension is a bit worse
Miata is considerably lighter than both so it is still a nice choice and it has easier maintainance. You can buy a used mazda ND for the price of a 2008 z4 coupe. This can be a better deal for spending less money with maintenance but the z4 can be improved to get better performance (dampers, LSD, brakes, etc) and maybe you like larger displacement engines.
Corrosion protection is relaively good for z4 as well.
I wanted to trade my z4 for a miata nd but I got offers of 10k€ and would need an extra 5k for a miata. I could do it if I found a good condition nd 2.0 manual but I haven’t found a safe offer. Plus my car seems quite good for a 10k car so maybe the best way is to keep it
I like the z4 too but there is a difference during these 6 years :
the s2000 increased in value costing around 20k now!
Why do you keep rolling up to junctions in neutral? Is this an American thing as I know Americans seem to struggle with understanding, or using manual gears.
I'm in the same situation, trying to balance cost with performance and reliability for every day driving. I have a sports bike for the weekend blast but want something fun to drive to work in every day, and ditch the 320d (which is pretty decent fun to be fair). For me, the Z4 ticks a lot of boxes. It may not fit others ideals of "the best" but it seems a great all rounder. MX is under powered, S2000 is overpriced. The Zed fits right in the middle, plus has more low down, everyday grunt than the S.
Honda S2000 is a legendary sports car and is a brilliant car to drive. The z4 is not even in the same galaxy with the S2K. You are in total denial if you think the z4 is AS good as the S2000!
+Grace JD I never said that
zed4me stupid choince, 10 note year Andrzej TH-cam Z4 willa bez garbage. S2K will be youngtimer
Not everyone is a boy racer. I wouldn't give it a second thought getting a BMW over a Honda. Z4 over S2000 all day every day. The Bimmer looks and sounds a billion times better too.
scoobysaurus302 it's not about being a boy racer. S2000 is one of the best cars ever built. Z4 is not. If you knew anything about cars you would know that.
we got butthurt honda people because zed4me wanted a little more luxury
What major and university did you go to bro?
oh and what was that red car that sounded like it had boost at 3:57 ? lol it was perfect timing after you said "driving like a hooligan"
+nalgaface123456789 Biochemistry at a State university and I believe that was a 240
Nice!
Good choice! Even me I get 08 Z4 over s2000. It's worth of money. I'm saving more for bmw superbike sport.
Nice I have a 2008 z4 3.0 si with only 21 k miles on it love the car but hate one thing, that little round screw covering on the side of the middle console. It keeps coming out and I always have to get a new one
Use some loctite
Christopher Deguzman duct tape m8
You answered your cellphone manually so there's no Bluetooth to the car's headunit and hear through the car's speakers? Radio is sooo basic. No 8 inch touchscreen?
This car is 2003 and bluetooth didn't become an option/standard on cars until 2004. That being said.. I do have bluetooth but don't use it when recording vlogs. :)
was your budget only 10k? I would be wary of a Z4 with 90k miles. (at least it's not a pre '06 Boxster).
The S2000 is bullet proof in terms of reliability. There are folks on S2ki.com that have 275k plus miles, and running great - even with f/i. If you want to keep this vehicle for years and years of enjoyment, it was not the best choice. My MY08 AP2 came with just 39k miles, and I expect to get many smiles per gallon for years to come. anyway, congrats on your new ride. The Z4 is definitely a sporty car, and everywhere you go, ppl will assume you're a wealthy dude - helps with the chicks lol.
But because of the rarity and mythical status of the S2000 (aside from the NSX, Honda is today known for reliable but unexciting cars) - I get alot of attention in the S - ppl taking pictures, "is that a ferrari?", etc.
Many ppl have heard of S2000s, but have never seen one in person, I constantly have ppl cruising a few car lengths behind me just to have a glimpse of the S. This is crazy because I live in SoCal, where there is more concentration of the S than anywhere else in the US. Still, it's a rare car, with 110k built, 55k in the USA, and probably 45k actually on the streets - accounting for garage queens and totaled vehicles. (AP1 S2Ks had a tendency to wrap itself around a tree for unexperienced drivers thinking they are Johnny Tran from the fast and the furious.
The Z4 is not pedestrian by any stretch of the imagination, but the S2000 is simply an "ICONIC" vehicle, an example of Honda at its peak.
The S2000 is the perfect sports car - well almost perfect. The handling is insane. The only dings I would give it are 1) light steering and numb feel; 2) too tail-happy at the limits, since the rear aero creates alot of lift at speed. Both can be remedied by disabling the electronic powered steering (EPS) and adding a rear wing. Of course, this doesn't apply to everyday driving, only when you push it to extremes on the track.
With all that said, I'd still love to own a Z4, since the BMW badge makes everyone assume you are a wealthy-ass dude. lulz
+workoutfanatic787 lol when i leave my house in my S i see like 4 more on the road everyday..
Workoutfanatic, I live in the very north part of Texas, in a town where there's only 2 S2000, mine and another guy's s2k... Lots of people give me compliments about my car, and I had lots of people that would stop by and look at it since they've never seeb one lol
now when I go to Dallas also is very rare when I get to see any s2k s around lol
'Rarity & mythical status of the S2000' 'Many people have heard of S2000s, have never seen one.' Heck that car is my favourite of all time. I live in Manchester UK and I've only ever seen 2 in my life. One on Wilmslow road when I was a little boy, the other 2 weeks ago on a train to Birmingham, it was a mile away in a car park, all I could see was its rear light and roof.
dude Mazda is also very good
You are right sir. Just had an opportunity last week with the new Miata! My only gripe is that I wish it were lighter, but it is a DAMN FUN car to drive!!
Hey I'm in having a mid life crisis only I'm 18 but same concept I was wondering what's good roadster for a college kid I love the Z4 looks and and sounds I could tolerate an S2000 but no Subaru or Mazda would ever interest me I would definitely take a Porsche any suggestions?
+Aaron Barber 18 yrs old !! any of them will kill you
Had a Z3M, 19 year old here.
I recommend a Z3 2.8 since those should be down in price now and relatively easy to maintain since E36s are relatively cheap now.
Me? Moving to a GT-R in a few months.
+Ian Mellows got my s2k when I was 18, 19 now and still not dead!
Get the s2k, once you've owned it for just a week, as long as you got one in good condition, you will love it!
Get the s2k, once you've owned it for just a week, as long as you got one in good condition, you will love it!
good choice with the z4, luxury,brand and looks with good powed...
Did you do your research on reliability, cost of parts and maintenance? The S2000 has the Z4 beat in that arena. The reason that car was so inexpensive is common for German cars. Their resale value is horrible after the warranty expires because of the cost to repair them.
David Bern You're right, but that's for the average person who has to bring their car to a mechanic. I've saved myself thousands in repair bills (fixing automatic roof etc).
Being mechanically inclined is fine. The cost of parts and the reliability between the two cars is something you can't control.
David Bern To a certain extent. For example, not only did I fix the roof for no money at all, I increased its reliability by re-engineering it so that it won't fail again. You can't do that for everything, but being handy makes the running cost of both cars virtually the same for me.
I've done the same analysis, Z4 and NC Mx-5 are overpriced for given the year/miles, you can find a low mileage Z4 for under 10K easy. the Z4 is under-appreciated, and a steal to buy used.
my family has driven a BMW for over 15 years, if there is no oil leak, other issues are none-issue if you are handy enough.
each to his own, cheers
thank you. at least someone in the comments that isn't a blind and insecure Honda fanboy.
I test drove a S2000 and fell in love. It just felt right. Idk what you're talking about that you have to drive it at high rpm's to get it going, because when I drove it, I'd shift it at 4-5k rpm and it was quick, well my opinion anyway... And when you want to drive it at high rpm's, the vtec is crazy wonderful, just brings a smile to my face.
TheJimmyster shifting at 4-5k rpm is high for dailying
It is....for other cars, but when you have a 9k redline I think it's fine, that's what the engine is made for, no? But anyways, I bought it and it's my daily, and it's awesome.
TheJimmyster I'm sure its awesome, don't get me wrong. But I don't know how I feel about having to rev to 4-5k rpm just to keep up with other cars due to lack of torque at lower rpms. The car gets loud above 3k rpm already. But really, if that's what you're into, then that's fine by me.. everyone has their own preference.
True, it does get loud I guess, especially when I first drove it, I was like, "holy hell, it feels like the engine's about to explode", but I've grown accustomed to it. And vtec doesn't kick in 'til 5500-6000 rpm, but I shift before that. It really does come down to preference at the end of the day, so whatever feels right for you, go for it. I've always been fond of the "Z's" and "M's", not really into the "i's" as I always see those.
Excellent choice. The best part about NOT getting an S2000 is that you don't have to associate yourself with the gutless Honda fanboys.
100% true. Well said.
Get rid of the run flat tires, I put on a set of Vredestein Quatrac Pros and the ride is much more comfortable.
Is insurance expensive on the z4
Not particularly.
each his own.. but did u watch the TOPGEAR BBC comparision between the porsche, z4, and the s2000? S2000 won...
car of the year for 7 years in a row...
Tony Nguyen s2000 is a honda...who the fuck wants a honda?
Dimitris Galanos heyyyyy i have a honda s2000.. lol....
Tony Nguyen i am really sorry about you then.
Dimitris Galanos lol. its cool hahah. what do u drive? i have a gtx3076 turbo at 8 psi 417whp. im looking to go to 11psi for 500whp... ;)
Yes I watched it. S2K lost to Boxster and the Z4 at the TOP GEAR race track.
I am so agreeing with you, the S2000 is a little less of a daily driver, I am located in norway, and well the weather here makes me wanna buy a z4, but the s2000 is just amazing, so its a hard choice... I love the s2000! The z4 is nice too, but I also agree that the front is just... wrong.
***** Either one will make you extremely happy! Can't go wrong either way.
S2000 for sure, just because it's a "Honda" doesn't mean that it's not as good as the BMW, S2000 is a special car and this is coming from a Miata owner who would pick S2000 over Z4 any day. I've seen a couple of S2000 in real life and I turned my head just to look at it, when I see a Z4 its meh.
id rather get a honda civic then a Z4
+Jay Villain lmao I love Honda tbh, and Miatas!! BMW's break and cost to much and tbh the z4 looks kinda ugly and the s2k looks aggressive
Love my MX5, and I've already started modding it.
The reason I picked it is because it's a Mazda (I had a 6), but I would love to some day own a Z4 or S2000 simply because I like them as well.
Screw that whole family thing! lol
Nihilus I want an s2000 and mx5 as well, you can't go wrong with any of them.
S2000 is in a different class from the MX-5. Better handling, f1 inspired engine.
Although I am a huge fan of the MX-5. You cannot beat the lightweight.
I chose an S2000 over a Z4 because 1) S2000 is an iconic car that has timeless styling, a future rare classic; 2) much better track toy, due to the superior handling, double wishbone, 50/50 distribution.
Z4 ain't no slouch, but the S2000 all the way! My next car will be my daily, the BRZ.
I was making a decision between s2k and z4.. both are great car.. but picked the z4. my reasons were, i am paying lots of money and there is no luxury, no interior quality, and not that powerful ( for me ) and not that attractive for the people nowadays.. so thought and thought and thought.. tried my friends 2008 s2k, and tried z4 at the dealer.. my heart was saying pick the s2k, but my mind was saying noo way !! get a good controled, luxury, safety and german car.. so after having two different hondas in my life ( 97civic ex and 02 ep3 ) I got my bebe its 06 z4 3.0si... I have been own it since 1000mil, had no problem yet and love it.. yes s2k is still great car but, i really couldnt feel my self in it safety.. it goes but doesnt not where it goes.. but on the otherside bmw is a really great car.. so everyones thinking are different but love my car.. can beat any s2k any 350z any shit american muscles except 5.0..
That GPW S2000 would have been an investment down the line. They are rare and hold value like no other.
I paid $16.500 for my Laguna Blue Ap2 S2000 with 60.000 miles in 2010. Sold it after 4 years with 99.000 miles and a couple of bolt ons for $20.000.
If you needed a daily driver though, I think you made the right choice. I wouldn't use an S2000 for that nowadays.
THANK YOU! I'm fortunate enough to have my AP2 as a weekend warrior - it really is a gem. I truly think they will be fetching serious coin in 10-15 years even....just so hard to stay out of the drivers seat! Lol I've put 3,100 miles on mine in 2 months already.
These 3 cars have the coolest fastbacks, the z4 fastback, the spoon s2000, and the custom fastback miata. Theres a downside to all of them. The z4 has a weird front, the s2k rear is big compared to the front, and the miata is slow. I think I'll go with the custom miata and maybe I'll build as I go
What year is your z4?
'03
whats this hate agaisnt bmw? The people hating on it cant work on cars because parts are not as expensive as people say; its the labor. My z3 has been just as bullet proof as my miata and do all the work myself at 20 if I can do it anyone can.
was your budget only 10k?
I would be wary of a Z4 with 90k miles. (at least it's not a pre '06 Boxster).
If you want to keep this vehicle for years and years of enjoyment, it was not the best choice. My MY08 AP2 came with just 39k miles, and I expect to get many smiles per gallon for years to come.
anyway, congrats on your new ride. The Z4 is definitely a sporty car, and everywhere you go, ppl will assume you're a wealthy dude - helps with the chicks lol.
Nice video, I was in the same situation Dec. 2014. Except my list included, 370Z, FRS/BRZ, MX-5, S2000, and Z4. I ended up with the S2000. It was as you said a little more expensive, but for me I was mainly scared of BMW repairs and all the things that make the S2000 what it is, is nonexistent these days and we'll prob never see another one like it.
I was strongly looking at the Z4, 370Z and S2000 at the end of the day. Dropped the mx-5 off because of power and it just didn't pull me in like the others did. All in all I agree with all your points about the Z4 and daily driving it. I came from a 04 civic with a REALLY stiff suspension so to daily the S2000 isn't bad at all in my book.
My NC is really good in turns, and the power doesn't bother me too much.
I love how light it is... And I picked it up because it had only 16k miles on it.
Already got an AEM intake and RS2 muffler which adds a bit of power and hopefully I'll get the header and midpipe taken care of soon to get some of that extra power... As I said in my comment above, provided I can get one, I'll take another 2 seater after my MX5.
Perhaps the RX9 will have come out by then.
Nihilus Got a friend with a NB, it was actually the first roadster I drove. That cemented my opinion that I NEEDED a RWD sports car. PERIOD. Love MX-5's too.
I have a z4 3.0 e85 and drove my friends ap2 2007 s2k and let me just say that im considering buying an s2000 its just more fun and high reving. The z4 is fun but not as fun as the s2k. Yes its more torquey but the s2000 is still more expensive and more fun to drive in my opinion. This is coming from a z4 owner
I'm searching for an s2000 now. Driven many, and still want one. Just for the weekend cruise or track event though. Daily wise the z4 is better imo.
Is the Z4 RWD?
Joshua Srichampoo yessir
Actually, with 10k you probably would have had the fastest Miata in the world dude, like 3k for the car then 2k in parts and you have a car faster then the s2k and z4 combined
well to put it simply he didn't have enough money for decent s2000 all tho I think he got a really good deal on Tha z4 and z4 is really nice car just the rapairs cost are killers that's all.
Don't you like the new Miata 2015??
I am not a Mazda lover, (i love s2000) but that one actually is the unique Miata i like, is so nice, sure designed by italians :)
regards
+MigSu pue ram I almost bought it but realized I am too broke haha
lol and, what do you tell me about the z8??
I was comparing that one to the clasic older z3 and i relized that is like a premium or luxury BMW Spyder, so elegant.
MigSu pue ram will forever be a classic, made famous by the james bond movies
Sure, i remember those times watching the movie lol
Idk why you're getting so much hate on here. I really appreciate the video and I'm cross shopping the same cars.
+zyg0te Because there are many s2000 fanboys who never even drove any of the mentioned cars and think they know better lol
+zed4me haters gonna hate! Personally I'd love a S2K but now you can find a similar age/milage Z4 cheaper. My only concern is cost of ownership (repairs, maintenance, etc)
I'm already getting S2K withdrawals
So am I and I've never owned one. In fact I've only seen 2 in my life.
Good luck with maintaining it specially if you gonna drive it everyday, just to change brake pads is a headache on those cars, plus they burn a quarter of oil every 1000miles! And they don't have a dipstick to check your oil level! It was on the news the other day, BMW admitted. And don't even think about the M series, they burn up to 2.5 quarters every 700miles!
ERICK4431 think you need to double check your facts. I change brake pads in 20 minutes total. And there's a dipstick.
zed4me You got lucky then! I thought you said the year of your BMW was 08? BMW start it doing those changes about the dipstick around 08-09 and to change brake pads you have to use a computer with the BMW software to close back the caliper after changing pads! And that is a fact! You just got lucky they didn't do it on that year....
ERICK4431 its not luck if you do your research before buying. I have an 03
i daily my s2000, its the best. i was looking at the z series as well but honda was more reliable
S2K better imo. I've drove a z4 wasn't for me didn't feel too quick
I have a video comparing them, they're basically the same from 0-100mph
Miata's underpowered and looks a tad 'girlie'. The S2000's phenomenal if you're in gung ho mode and ready to use high revs, but it can't surf along on torque at low revs. The Z4 3.0 has good low-revs torque & better brakes, and is quicker & faster than the other. two. The cultured howl of its six-pot is also better than the four cylinder blat of the others.
Z4 3.0 for me,
my dad used to have a 2004 Z4 with the 3.0. it was an awesome car. I still have my s2000. when I'm asked to compare the cars, I say the Z4 is 85 percent of the performance offered by the s2000, but 100 percent more comfortable. the z4 feels like it has more torque but it doesn't. from a top gear roll in both cars at 40mph, they're neck and neck in acceleration. however, the s2000 is Def the faster car. my dad and I found the s2000 to pull about 2.5 cars from 40 to 110. just my .02 cents.
The z4 does have more torque... At 40 the s2000 in top gear is turning much higher rpm than the z4 so that's why they're neck and neck.
Gearing is a factor, for sure. And numbers matter, but in the real world it's a greater example to factor in the lighter car, smaller tires (less rotating mass), and gearing. The S2000 does have LESS torque, yet it will out pull the zed. Done it many times, stock examples both in great condition. We played with speed. 40, 30, 55, etc. Similar outcome
Gearing is a factor, for sure. And numbers matter, but in the real world it's a greater example to factor in the lighter car, smaller tires (less rotating mass), and gearing. The S2000 does have LESS torque, yet it will out pull the zed. Done it many times, stock examples both in great condition. We played with speed. 40, 30, 55, etc. Similar outcome
***** I've also done a comparison video with it side by side, check it out.. the s2000 does not out pull a z4.
zed4me, unique example. browse forums and times and you'll see an s2k is slightly faster. s2000 has more aggressive gearing, lighter, less rotating mass, and more power.
JDM Honda bros are #triggered
Wait till he gets the repair bill in future!
Becat B I am a loyal BMW owner. Z4, 325, and newest the 6. Never had a problem. and if you can afford the BMW, you can afford to maintain them.