I'm 66 with a bad disc for years but I totally agree with your advice. Depending on the severity of occasional back pain, I progress gradually and soon I am feeling pain free again.
There was a study done on older folks split into two groups. One group didn't weight train and the other were ex-power lifters. Both groups had disc issues (as Mark says find someone who doesn't) but the ex-power lifters had almost no back pain across the board, while the others almost all dealt with it daily.
People can believe this or not, but I've dealt with lower back pain since very young. I was an ectomorph with a small frame and I was weak. I've dealt with this up into my 40s now until I discovered SS and the low bar squat and deadlifts. What a back builder! For the first time in my life I had all this meat on my upper back and lower back was strong and stiff as a board during lifts, very good posture when doing stuff, etc. Back pain 100% gone!! I've had to move back to high bar recently and had to stop the deadlift because arm issues. Back pain is back again, but not as pronounced. I'm trying RDLs as a supplement right now just to experiment with what happens with that (I'm past novice LP). Yes I am a witness to the fact iron is the best prescription for back pain.
Brother i did stronglift for 6 months saw my sport doctor again after this he told me my posture was insane, what the hell did you do.... he told me....
Absolutely the truth. Wake up stiff and not feeling like working out every Sat, after 3 sets of squats and presses I walk out of the gym feeling great ! Keep up the great work Doc S.
So true! The status quo says "Rest until it gets better". Movement is key and strength training FOR SURE! So many times I've had small strains, pains, whatever and was uncertain if I should train, but I went ahead and cautiously tried lifting and, lo-and-behold, I was able to finish my goal and I felt BETTER. Like you say you have to use common sense, but you also can't shy away from training because of small aches, pains and strains.
I'm about to be 49. The accumulated injuries from work and life are being to show. Your information and SSC have turned things around for me. Especially with shoulder injuries. Thank you so much!
Hell, I'm a long way from your target demographic but even as a youngin' at 22 heavy lifting helps me with a lot of pain from working crappy minimum wage jobs. Standing for 9 hours a day is helluva lot easier when you can squat 300lbs
KNEES!!!! if i dont squat for more than 7 days my knees become significantly more stiff and sore.. and i end up feeling like im 80 instead of 54....... motion is lotion :o
Yeah, my 58-yo knees always feel creaky on the first warmup set. By the end of the workout, they're feeling pretty supple, as long as I don't overdo it on volume.
I agree 100%. I’ve fixed multitudes of ailments and injuries over the years. I can honestly say, that the common denominator was lifting weights- and not light ones. I’ve fixed rotator issues, knee issues, lower back issues. Even strengthened weak wrists after dual CTS surgeries. The iron cured all of it. I’m 51 and kicking ass making the biggest lifts of my life.
Skip to 2 mins in. Anyway.... I agree through personal experience with low muscular/mechanical back pain...... Weightlifting training done correctly has helped me many times. Im 41yrs old.
I'm a big fan of how your gym/office looks. I'm sure it's very welcoming to those who are new to barbell training by retaining the hint of a doctor's office.
Yes Sully, I absolutely dig it n I can attest to it!! The whys are just too profound n highfalutin for me!! Invariably I always feel better with different degrees of relief for my crippling cervical n lumbar pain after each session at GreySteel!!! I❤️Motion is Lotion! Cindy. Ps I’ll be a septuagenarian in2021.
The only thing that I would change is this: Motion Is Medicine . .as long as it isn't BALLISTIC motion. Sadly, I had to learn this the hard way, and I have the ruptured lumbar discs to prove it.
Sully, I follow your philosophy with a bit of change. I use the Shrug bar for for my main lower body lift. I do not like the bar on my back and regular deads start to far out front for me. I mix free squats, kB squats, KB goblet squats and KB swings along with the Shrug bar deads. It works for an old roughnecks back and progression is solid. Pressing and pulls accordingly to stimulate and progress. Many ways to skin a cat.....
I'm not going to endorse this approach, but I'm not going to decry it, either. It's working for you, and that's important. Now, if you worked with me, I'm pretty sure--not certain, but pretty sure--I'd get you doing low bar squats and standard deads without too much trouble. I've had a lot of people say "that won't work for me," but with some careful one-on-one coaching they see that it does work. So I'm pretty sure it would work for you--but not certain. Maybe it wouldn't. Maybe you've found exactly the program I would prescribe. What I AM sure of is that you're doing yourself a big favor by training for strength. Keep it up, stay strong, stay healthy, and come visit us at Greysteel if you're ever in the area, even if it's just to say hi. Thanks for watching!
We're working on it. We need a provider who'll print both sides and give us an online store that will drop ship. We've narrowed it down. Sorry to keep you waiting.
We've just opened a new store. Waiting on our first shipment of shirts to check quality control. If they look good we'll go public right away. So your wait may soon be over!
Does it repair the disc or the degneration? No. Does it improve function and pain? Definitely. It comes down to this: you can have DDD and a weak back, or DDD and a strong back. I'm sure you'll agree that this is a simple choice.
Another question. Would exerting a force -load- onto to the damaged spine and its components further degenerate -in this particular case- an already degenerated disc despite strengthening its muscular surroundings and in spite of proper lifting technique? Thanks.
Yeah. They don't know either. And the advice to lift low wts for high reps just because you have DDD is bullshit. We train people with DDD (including me), and we train them heavy. And they get better. So there it is.
Sully I appreciate your content and what you do in general, but those ads at the end of the video made me feel uncomfortable. Why don't you just stick to Patreon? Respectfully.
Greysteel is a business, and as you may be aware, one does not exactly get rich in the profession of barbell coaching. The videos don't make themselves, and we have bills to pay like everybody else. We'd like to increase our output, improve our production facilities, and reach more people. Takes time and $. Are you by any chance a Patreon supporter? If so, thanks for your support.
GreySteel Totally understand and respect that. You are an intelligent and highly educated person (and also published author), and it's my humble opinion that some banners by themselves at the end of the video may be enough and they will do less damage to your online persona / brand. Wish you all the best, if I wasn't in another country 10 timezones away my 82yo dad would be in your gym 3 times a week for sure.
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I'm 66 with a bad disc for years but I totally agree with your advice. Depending on the severity of occasional back pain, I progress gradually and soon I am feeling pain free again.
There was a study done on older folks split into two groups. One group didn't weight train and the other were ex-power lifters. Both groups had disc issues (as Mark says find someone who doesn't) but the ex-power lifters had almost no back pain across the board, while the others almost all dealt with it daily.
People can believe this or not, but I've dealt with lower back pain since very young. I was an ectomorph with a small frame and I was weak. I've dealt with this up into my 40s now until I discovered SS and the low bar squat and deadlifts. What a back builder!
For the first time in my life I had all this meat on my upper back and lower back was strong and stiff as a board during lifts, very good posture when doing stuff, etc. Back pain 100% gone!!
I've had to move back to high bar recently and had to stop the deadlift because arm issues. Back pain is back again, but not as pronounced. I'm trying RDLs as a supplement right now just to experiment with what happens with that (I'm past novice LP).
Yes I am a witness to the fact iron is the best prescription for back pain.
It continues to amaze me.
Brother i did stronglift for 6 months saw my sport doctor again after this he told me my posture was insane, what the hell did you do.... he told me....
Keep those pod bay doors strong, brother.
Absolutely the truth. Wake up stiff and not feeling like working out every Sat, after 3 sets of squats and presses I walk out of the gym feeling great ! Keep up the great work Doc S.
So true! The status quo says "Rest until it gets better". Movement is key and strength training FOR SURE! So many times I've had small strains, pains, whatever and was uncertain if I should train, but I went ahead and cautiously tried lifting and, lo-and-behold, I was able to finish my goal and I felt BETTER. Like you say you have to use common sense, but you also can't shy away from training because of small aches, pains and strains.
I'm about to be 49. The accumulated injuries from work and life are being to show. Your information and SSC have turned things around for me. Especially with shoulder injuries. Thank you so much!
So glad to have finally met Dr. Sullivan.
Hell, I'm a long way from your target demographic but even as a youngin' at 22 heavy lifting helps me with a lot of pain from working crappy minimum wage jobs. Standing for 9 hours a day is helluva lot easier when you can squat 300lbs
It IS, isn't it?
KNEES!!!! if i dont squat for more than 7 days my knees become significantly more stiff and sore.. and i end up feeling like im 80 instead of 54....... motion is lotion :o
Yeah, my 58-yo knees always feel creaky on the first warmup set. By the end of the workout, they're feeling pretty supple, as long as I don't overdo it on volume.
I agree 100%. I’ve fixed multitudes of ailments and injuries over the years. I can honestly say, that the common denominator was lifting weights- and not light ones. I’ve fixed rotator issues, knee issues, lower back issues. Even strengthened weak wrists after dual CTS surgeries. The iron cured all of it. I’m 51 and kicking ass making the biggest lifts of my life.
I take black iron too. Makes whole. body feel great and it makes me stronger....
Skip to 2 mins in.
Anyway.... I agree through personal experience with low muscular/mechanical back pain...... Weightlifting training done correctly has helped me many times. Im 41yrs old.
I agree 👍 awesome info, once again 💪💯‼️
I'm a big fan of how your gym/office looks. I'm sure it's very welcoming to those who are new to barbell training by retaining the hint of a doctor's office.
More to the point, it's a private space that they "own." People like it here.
Thx Dr sully
Thanks for watching!
Yes Sully,
I absolutely dig it n I can attest to it!! The whys are just too profound n highfalutin for me!!
Invariably I always feel better with different degrees of relief for my crippling cervical n lumbar pain
after each session at GreySteel!!!
I❤️Motion is Lotion!
Cindy.
Ps I’ll be a septuagenarian in2021.
Take it from a truck driver - sitting and driving for long periods does indeed ruin your lower back ! LISTEN to the Dr❤
The only thing that I would change is this: Motion Is Medicine . .as long as it isn't BALLISTIC motion. Sadly, I had to learn this the hard way, and I have the ruptured lumbar discs to prove it.
Sully, I follow your philosophy with a bit of change. I use the Shrug bar for for my main lower body lift. I do not like the bar on my back and regular deads start to far out front for me. I mix free squats, kB squats, KB goblet squats and KB swings along with the Shrug bar deads. It works for an old roughnecks back and progression is solid. Pressing and pulls accordingly to stimulate and progress. Many ways to skin a cat.....
I'm not going to endorse this approach, but I'm not going to decry it, either. It's working for you, and that's important. Now, if you worked with me, I'm pretty sure--not certain, but pretty sure--I'd get you doing low bar squats and standard deads without too much trouble. I've had a lot of people say "that won't work for me," but with some careful one-on-one coaching they see that it does work. So I'm pretty sure it would work for you--but not certain. Maybe it wouldn't. Maybe you've found exactly the program I would prescribe.
What I AM sure of is that you're doing yourself a big favor by training for strength. Keep it up, stay strong, stay healthy, and come visit us at Greysteel if you're ever in the area, even if it's just to say hi. Thanks for watching!
Will do Sully and stay strong!
When pain settles in, I lift it out.
This guy is awesome, Cause i love heroin to. no no just kiddin, but about ten minutes into my workout i feel wonderful.
rick cromwell gvgp
"Motion is lotion" - Classic
When are y'all gonna have those "I take iron for back pain" t-shirts?
greysteel.sellmytees.com/
What about the "I Take Iron For Back Pain" t-shirts? Whats going on with that?
We're working on it. We need a provider who'll print both sides and give us an online store that will drop ship. We've narrowed it down. Sorry to keep you waiting.
We've just opened a new store. Waiting on our first shipment of shirts to check quality control. If they look good we'll go public right away. So your wait may soon be over!
greysteel.sellmytees.com
👍👍👍
Doctors are generally clueless when it comes to the benefits of weightlifting. It blows me away how ignorant they are
Me, too.
Can iron fix a degenerated disc disease “DDD”?
Does it repair the disc or the degneration? No. Does it improve function and pain? Definitely.
It comes down to this: you can have DDD and a weak back, or DDD and a strong back. I'm sure you'll agree that this is a simple choice.
Another question. Would exerting a force -load- onto to the damaged spine and its components further degenerate -in this particular case- an already degenerated disc despite strengthening its muscular surroundings and in spite of proper lifting technique? Thanks.
We don't know.
www.livestrong.com/article/553835-the-effects-of-weight-lifting-on-degenerative-disc-disease/
Yeah. They don't know either. And the advice to lift low wts for high reps just because you have DDD is bullshit. We train people with DDD (including me), and we train them heavy. And they get better. So there it is.
Sully I appreciate your content and what you do in general, but those ads at the end of the video made me feel uncomfortable. Why don't you just stick to Patreon? Respectfully.
Greysteel is a business, and as you may be aware, one does not exactly get rich in the profession of barbell coaching. The videos don't make themselves, and we have bills to pay like everybody else. We'd like to increase our output, improve our production facilities, and reach more people. Takes time and $.
Are you by any chance a Patreon supporter? If so, thanks for your support.
I hope you are contributing.
GreySteel Totally understand and respect that. You are an intelligent and highly educated person (and also published author), and it's my humble opinion that some banners by themselves at the end of the video may be enough and they will do less damage to your online persona / brand. Wish you all the best, if I wasn't in another country 10 timezones away my 82yo dad would be in your gym 3 times a week for sure.
I would love to train him! And you. Thanks for watching.
Generally when anyone in the SS world advertises something whatever they're advertising is usually so good that even the most shameless plugs feel more like friendly advice