I get it. You obviously are not a fan of the Low Rider ST. ITS ALL GOOD. I have a much different take on this Model. I’ve personally owned and put over 10,000 miles on several baggers. I’ve owned a Street Glide Special/Road King Special/Indian Springfield Darkhorse. Off the showroom floor the Springfield handled and rode the most comfortable for me. Now let’s move forward to my current 2022 Gunship Grey FXLRST, for me this is the best model I’ve owned. Have I changed some things to make it fit me? You bet. There is no one size fits all perfect motorcycle from any manufacturer. I’m always amazed that these content creators can ride on a test/Demo ride and form an opinion good or bad about a specific model. The true story comes out with ownership and long miles. I love my Low Rider ST. Take Care.
At 6’2 i can confirm this bike is very uncomfortable in its stock form. My buddy did forwards and added mini floor boards, and changed to the lower profile air cleaner, made all the difference.
That's pretty much how I felt at first. I'm 6'5'' and was coming off of a Challenger. Big change, lol. I had to get a tallboy seat, forwards with floorboards, and I broke the trend and went 12 inch apes over T-Bars. Night and day difference. It's now comfortable, and I just did 1k miles over Memorial weekend with no complaints. Needs some tinkering, but once you get it dialed in it's hella fun.
Thanks for the info! If you don't mind telling the world: what is your inseam and build/frame? As I'm sure you've found, it makes an extremely large difference for us taller guys than even those that are low-6' would think. I'm "lucky" in that apes that look cool but the grips are "too far from the seat" in many jurisdictions fit me well. [My brother and I are your height; he has a 36" inseam whereas mine is 33", he has more of an athletic build (low-200# but not wire-y) than my very broad-shouldered 265#. Very few things that are the same size/ergonomics *work* for both of us.]
@@lt1nut 34 inseam and and weigh about 225 (USED to be athletic but now 45 and, well... yeah lol). I'm using 12 inch apes along with the stock 4 inch riser, if that helps. I also got a clearview XL wind screen which helped A TON.
Let’s look at the ergonomics from a different perspective. Add forward controls $550, seat $450, and windshield $200. Total $1200 and now it’s very comfortable and rides great. Compare that to a Street Glide. Add rear suspension, $900, front suspension $1100, seat $450, windshield $200, and decent bars, $1100. So to get a Street Glide to fit and ride comfortably, costs $3750, while the Low Rider ST only takes $1200 because the expensive stuff - bars and suspension - are already great on the Low Rider. So which stock bike is more disappointing? Looks like the Street Glide and Road Glide to me.
The best performance style cruiser is the Triumph Rocket 3 GT 153 cubic inches motor with 163 ft pound of torque and 167 hp right out the box now that a power house cruiser, that why i bought it.
Overall, I think the bike is one of the best HD has come up with, and that’s evidenced by how quickly they sell off the dealers’ floors. However, and it’s a big however, the ergonomics are the worst. What was HD thinking? Knees up high, arms locked straight, back hunched forward. Fortunately this is all fixable - at a cost. But how they intentionally produce a bike with such goofy ergonomics is beyond me.
I have it and at 5’7” you will definitely need to do the 9.5” riser with 1.5 pullback + top tree with another 1.5” pull for 3” total.. I also put the gage relocation with the low rider S gauge. Made it 2up with a 22” sissy bar. So for a 5k you can make your dream bike.. 💪🏽😎
I have a ‘21 FXLRS as my only bike and it does great for me. The ST version would be even better as it comes with the bags and fairing, both of which I had to add to mine in a Memphis shades road warrior and the thrashin supply style bags. I’ve also put 6” Biltwell Murdock risers with pullback and a 2up seat and passenger pegs. Really, the sport glide was a great option for something like this but it needs the 114 to sell here in America. It’s a huge hit in Europe from what I understand. I definitely like the gauge setup of my ‘21 version vs the new style.
I owned one for less than a year and moved to a new 2024 Road Glide and honestly I cannot think of anything the Low Rider ST better. Went through three windshields and never found a good one, put risers on it to make the reach motor comfortable, and even replaced the seat with a backrest. Basically dumped three thousand or so into trying to fix it for me. The motor is shining feature here but the new 24s beat it without question. For all their claims of CFD testing for aerodynamics it was a real disappointment at highway speeds, probably the worst fairing I dealt with in nearly forty years of riding.
I have an 22 st and had some of the same issues as you pointed out. I put a new two up seat that moved me a little closer to the bars and lifted my butt about 2 inches. I still can flat foot the bike and gave me a better seating position with the pegs. Now my knees are lower on the bike. Many folks are changing out the risers to 6 inch with 2 inches pull back. I think I'd like to try putting on the sport glide bars instead. All and all - I like the power and the handling of the bike. My other pet peeve is the distance between the shifter and the front peg - I plan to install a new shifting rod so I can adjust that out of the bike and move the shifter down a little.
I don’t think the ST is a bad bike but as for me (I might actually do this soon) I would rather get a Regular Lowrider S > Lucky Dave’s 15” Lucky 13 Bars, Russ Weirmont FXR Fairing, S&S 128, SE Clutch Pack Upgrade, Vance and Hines Exhaust, Mid Controls and aesthetics.
@@carlbruhn1772 - terrible looks like the designer said okay done, and the engineer said what about the clocks and gauges? Designer said, “Okay how about this”. Engineer says, “that’ll work Harley Fans will buy anything if we say it is new. (The Road Glide and Street Glide Instruments should be standard or a Full on LED display like on the 2023 CVO being released in July).
I put the tall boy seat and taller windscreen on mine. It helps a lot. I'm 5'10" and you do get used to it. I also have a 2018 Heritage 114 and I take take that when doing long distance. You can set it up like a touring platform if you want.
I don't know if it's just camera angle or something but it also looks like those bars are 'cocked' to the right a little? They look off center to me throughout the whole video.
The HD adventure began for me in the Willie G. days. I also had had a Shovel Low Rider many moons ago. My ST reminds me of what it was like to ride the FX series. It feels a lot more O'l School HD than my Street Glide. The biggest difference between the ST and my first Low Rider is the seating position. With the shovel I had drag bars and basically reached straight forward. It was truly a Low Rider, but you drug the pipes all the time in the twisty stuff. I must admit that I also lusted after the XLCR Cafe Racer too. However, you could not find one at the time.
Def have to mod a number of things to make it comfortable but it is totally worth it. Performance wise, Cam, Mod Intake, Dynojet Tuner and a Tune and you're sitting at 120+ HP and 130+ TQ
He's been dogging on harley like this for a while, meanwhile prasing the heavens about indian. Look at his sport chief video. I'm unsubbing at this point. I get liking a certain bike but Im annoyed at indian riders and fans making it their life's purpose to rag on harley. Im the kind of rider that rides with anyone no matter their brand of bike, and people like heg just bother me. Stop with the brand bashing.
@@FranBunnyFFXII You must have never been to a Harley meet. All they do is rag on literally any other brand/type of motorcycle. Don’t be pissed because everyone is finally realizing that HD’s aren’t worth what’s asked of them when Indian/BMW/Literally everyone else deliver so much more for the same price. As for this particular bike, the ST, its fun, but the ergonomics truly are horrendous.
@@monkeespit Funny because just a few days ago I was at a Harley bike night at Emerald City HD. I didnt see much ragging on other brands. Infact we had sport bikes there! They wanted to hang out for the free burgers, and get a dyno test run in for free too. I got my bike dyno testedtoo. We also had a BMW R18 there, which was pretty cool. It's hilarious watching people like you open their mouth and put their foot inside. Pro Tip, stop assuming things of other people and you wont look all that foolish.
I agree with the seating position, the handlebars are a little long and at an awkward height… I have a 22 FXLRS and still need to make that adjustment. I’m going to try a straight 6.5 rise rather than anything higher w a pullback so I don’t have to mess with an aftermarket gauge mount, cable and wires for the time being. Not sure if it’ll help but it’s a start! Otherwise, I find the foot controls very comfortable and I’m 5’10 but I also have a Saddlemen Pro seat that puts me a touch higher up. Otherwise I freakin love the bike! I was very much considering buying a Road Glide but atm that bike is just not for me as a daily driver or my only bike. Although I also have an 06 Night Train but even then, the Lowrider S is just too much fun to rip around on, the wind doesn’t bother me (I also have a Road Warrior fairing) it’s aggressive, I use a headset with a Quadlock and I don’t really tour so it’s perfect for me 😊
I am not a fairing guy, so I dislike that from the get go. I am 5'8" and the ergos suck for me too. Those pegs just don't do it for me either, I would HAVE to switch out for the forward pegs (which they do have). I dislike the transmission clunkiness. Love the power, love the style. My riding buddy bought one last year and I think he is going to swap it out for something else. He bought his girl a Heritage and now he's falling in love with "her" bike
I'm 5'6" ...trade my 2020 883 iron for a 2023 LR st( 2 miles ) ..... and I"m super happy to ride my st.... It is sooo good to be under 6" !! low rider low people... 6sp ....love it!!
Looks like the handlebars are crooked on this LRST too. I bought an LRST and my bars are crooked -- low and to the right. STILL fighting with the dealership to get this fixed. Anyone else notice this on their LRST?
Watch out when you give your opinion on this channel, guess I hurt someone's feelings bo-who snake bite! Not going anywhere fool! Oh Yeah nice video Hegshot
Hegshot, There is a gal on TH-cam that does Yoga in her underwear and she has over a million subscribers. If you were to do Yoga in your underwear at the end of your vids it may help you get more subs.
I get it. You obviously are not a fan of the Low Rider ST. ITS ALL GOOD. I have a much different take on this Model. I’ve personally owned and put over 10,000 miles on several baggers. I’ve owned a Street Glide Special/Road King Special/Indian Springfield Darkhorse. Off the showroom floor the Springfield handled and rode the most comfortable for me. Now let’s move forward to my current 2022 Gunship Grey FXLRST, for me this is the best model I’ve owned. Have I changed some things to make it fit me? You bet. There is no one size fits all perfect motorcycle from any manufacturer. I’m always amazed that these content creators can ride on a test/Demo ride and form an opinion good or bad about a specific model. The true story comes out with ownership and long miles. I love my Low Rider ST. Take Care.
Amen to that
Best Harley I have owned to date, and I have owned 37 motorcycles mostly Harleys, 1 Indian chief 1947, and some BMWS. Lowrider st nailed it for me.
At 6’2 i can confirm this bike is very uncomfortable in its stock form. My buddy did forwards and added mini floor boards, and changed to the lower profile air cleaner, made all the difference.
Looks like the handlebar is slightly croocked to the right.
I thought the same thing.
The camera is probably mounted on the side of his helmet.
they appeared to be crooked
Seems all are from factory.
yes, they are
That's pretty much how I felt at first. I'm 6'5'' and was coming off of a Challenger. Big change, lol. I had to get a tallboy seat, forwards with floorboards, and I broke the trend and went 12 inch apes over T-Bars. Night and day difference. It's now comfortable, and I just did 1k miles over Memorial weekend with no complaints. Needs some tinkering, but once you get it dialed in it's hella fun.
Thanks for the info!
If you don't mind telling the world: what is your inseam and build/frame? As I'm sure you've found, it makes an extremely large difference for us taller guys than even those that are low-6' would think. I'm "lucky" in that apes that look cool but the grips are "too far from the seat" in many jurisdictions fit me well.
[My brother and I are your height; he has a 36" inseam whereas mine is 33", he has more of an athletic build (low-200# but not wire-y) than my very broad-shouldered 265#. Very few things that are the same size/ergonomics *work* for both of us.]
@@lt1nut 34 inseam and and weigh about 225 (USED to be athletic but now 45 and, well... yeah lol). I'm using 12 inch apes along with the stock 4 inch riser, if that helps. I also got a clearview XL wind screen which helped A TON.
Let’s look at the ergonomics from a different perspective. Add forward controls $550, seat $450, and windshield $200. Total $1200 and now it’s very comfortable and rides great.
Compare that to a Street Glide. Add rear suspension, $900, front suspension $1100, seat $450, windshield $200, and decent bars, $1100. So to get a Street Glide to fit and ride comfortably, costs $3750, while the Low Rider ST only takes $1200 because the expensive stuff - bars and suspension - are already great on the Low Rider. So which stock bike is more disappointing? Looks like the Street Glide and Road Glide to me.
The best performance style cruiser is the Triumph Rocket 3 GT 153 cubic inches motor with 163 ft pound of torque and 167 hp right out the box now that a power house cruiser, that why i bought it.
But, you can't spend $10,000 for add-ons. You're missing the Harley mystique! Congratulations on the Rocket.
I love the west coast look of the s and when modified you can really make this thing fly.. I staged 2 my s and I’m pushing 130 HP.. she is a beast
Overall, I think the bike is one of the best HD has come up with, and that’s evidenced by how quickly they sell off the dealers’ floors. However, and it’s a big however, the ergonomics are the worst. What was HD thinking? Knees up high, arms locked straight, back hunched forward. Fortunately this is all fixable - at a cost. But how they intentionally produce a bike with such goofy ergonomics is beyond me.
Oh man. The hate I'm going to read when I scroll down... Oof. But whatever! HS is honest.
thanks man
I have it and at 5’7” you will definitely need to do the 9.5” riser with 1.5 pullback + top tree with another 1.5” pull for 3” total.. I also put the gage relocation with the low rider S gauge. Made it 2up with a 22” sissy bar. So for a 5k you can make your dream bike.. 💪🏽😎
Im 5'11" and i dont have a problem with the seating at all. I like the bike.
I have a ‘21 FXLRS as my only bike and it does great for me. The ST version would be even better as it comes with the bags and fairing, both of which I had to add to mine in a Memphis shades road warrior and the thrashin supply style bags. I’ve also put 6” Biltwell Murdock risers with pullback and a 2up seat and passenger pegs. Really, the sport glide was a great option for something like this but it needs the 114 to sell here in America. It’s a huge hit in Europe from what I understand. I definitely like the gauge setup of my ‘21 version vs the new style.
I agree with you....At 6ft i would have to setup this Bike up like HolyShift did to his in order for a LRST
The price point of the lower rider st is a mfer.
I have seen one with forward pegs. I agree, the pegs are extra high.
I’ve put on 8000+ miles on my FXLRST… and there is nothing that I don’t like about it…
I owned one for less than a year and moved to a new 2024 Road Glide and honestly I cannot think of anything the Low Rider ST better. Went through three windshields and never found a good one, put risers on it to make the reach motor comfortable, and even replaced the seat with a backrest. Basically dumped three thousand or so into trying to fix it for me. The motor is shining feature here but the new 24s beat it without question. For all their claims of CFD testing for aerodynamics it was a real disappointment at highway speeds, probably the worst fairing I dealt with in nearly forty years of riding.
Those bars have a huge twist in them… really messed with my OCD. 😂
I assume you couldn’t feel it when riding?
it was killing me too
I didn't, it just looked really off to me
I have an 22 st and had some of the same issues as you pointed out. I put a new two up seat that moved me a little closer to the bars and lifted my butt about 2 inches. I still can flat foot the bike and gave me a better seating position with the pegs. Now my knees are lower on the bike. Many folks are changing out the risers to 6 inch with 2 inches pull back. I think I'd like to try putting on the sport glide bars instead. All and all - I like the power and the handling of the bike. My other pet peeve is the distance between the shifter and the front peg - I plan to install a new shifting rod so I can adjust that out of the bike and move the shifter down a little.
Slide the shifter off the spline and rotate counterclockwise. There's some adjustment there that won't cost you anything.
I don’t think the ST is a bad bike but as for me (I might actually do this soon) I would rather get a Regular Lowrider S > Lucky Dave’s 15” Lucky 13 Bars, Russ Weirmont FXR Fairing, S&S 128, SE Clutch Pack Upgrade, Vance and Hines Exhaust, Mid Controls and aesthetics.
Ugly front fairing… and hate the little LCD display on the handlebars. Looks cheap and lacking effort to create something nice.
They first put that on the Street Bob and I thought it would never last. Here we are, it's a horrible idea. People with glasses really hate it.
@@carlbruhn1772 - terrible looks like the designer said okay done, and the engineer said what about the clocks and gauges? Designer said, “Okay how about this”. Engineer says, “that’ll work Harley Fans will buy anything if we say it is new. (The Road Glide and Street Glide Instruments should be standard or a Full on LED display like on the 2023 CVO being released in July).
I put the tall boy seat and taller windscreen on mine. It helps a lot. I'm 5'10" and you do get used to it. I also have a 2018 Heritage 114 and I take take that when doing long distance. You can set it up like a touring platform if you want.
I just want the music on a Heritage. Have to find a good aftermarket option.
I don't know if it's just camera angle or something but it also looks like those bars are 'cocked' to the right a little? They look off center to me throughout the whole video.
The HD adventure began for me in the Willie G. days. I also had had a Shovel Low Rider many moons ago. My ST reminds me of what it was like to ride the FX series. It feels a lot more O'l School HD than my Street Glide. The biggest difference between the ST and my first Low Rider is the seating position. With the shovel I had drag bars and basically reached straight forward. It was truly a Low Rider, but you drug the pipes all the time in the twisty stuff. I must admit that I also lusted after the XLCR Cafe Racer too. However, you could not find one at the time.
Most reviews I have seen on this were positive 😮
Def have to mod a number of things to make it comfortable but it is totally worth it. Performance wise, Cam, Mod Intake, Dynojet Tuner and a Tune and you're sitting at 120+ HP and 130+ TQ
It's just a cop out between a softtail and a tour... I like the idea of a small convertible tour but they missed it
They missed it? The wait list to buy this bike says otherwise. lol
This is a fantastic motorcycle, you're doing yourself a disservice by being stubborn about it.
Buzzy and smooth?
Maybe I misunderstood?
He's been dogging on harley like this for a while, meanwhile prasing the heavens about indian. Look at his sport chief video.
I'm unsubbing at this point. I get liking a certain bike but Im annoyed at indian riders and fans making it their life's purpose to rag on harley.
Im the kind of rider that rides with anyone no matter their brand of bike, and people like heg just bother me. Stop with the brand bashing.
@@FranBunnyFFXII You must have never been to a Harley meet. All they do is rag on literally any other brand/type of motorcycle. Don’t be pissed because everyone is finally realizing that HD’s aren’t worth what’s asked of them when Indian/BMW/Literally everyone else deliver so much more for the same price. As for this particular bike, the ST, its fun, but the ergonomics truly are horrendous.
@@monkeespit Funny because just a few days ago I was at a Harley bike night at Emerald City HD.
I didnt see much ragging on other brands. Infact we had sport bikes there!
They wanted to hang out for the free burgers, and get a dyno test run in for free too. I got my bike dyno testedtoo.
We also had a BMW R18 there, which was pretty cool.
It's hilarious watching people like you open their mouth and put their foot inside.
Pro Tip, stop assuming things of other people and you wont look all that foolish.
I really hate that the bags are not the same size
I agree with the seating position, the handlebars are a little long and at an awkward height… I have a 22 FXLRS and still need to make that adjustment. I’m going to try a straight 6.5 rise rather than anything higher w a pullback so I don’t have to mess with an aftermarket gauge mount, cable and wires for the time being. Not sure if it’ll help but it’s a start! Otherwise, I find the foot controls very comfortable and I’m 5’10 but I also have a Saddlemen Pro seat that puts me a touch higher up.
Otherwise I freakin love the bike! I was very much considering buying a Road Glide but atm that bike is just not for me as a daily driver or my only bike. Although I also have an 06 Night Train but even then, the Lowrider S is just too much fun to rip around on, the wind doesn’t bother me (I also have a Road Warrior fairing) it’s aggressive, I use a headset with a Quadlock and I don’t really tour so it’s perfect for me 😊
I am not a fairing guy, so I dislike that from the get go. I am 5'8" and the ergos suck for me too. Those pegs just don't do it for me either, I would HAVE to switch out for the forward pegs (which they do have). I dislike the transmission clunkiness. Love the power, love the style. My riding buddy bought one last year and I think he is going to swap it out for something else. He bought his girl a Heritage and now he's falling in love with "her" bike
lol
I'm 5'6" ...trade my 2020 883 iron for a 2023 LR st( 2 miles ) ..... and I"m super happy to ride my st.... It is sooo good to be under 6" !! low rider low people... 6sp ....love it!!
Looks like the handlebars are crooked on this LRST too. I bought an LRST and my bars are crooked -- low and to the right. STILL fighting with the dealership to get this fixed. Anyone else notice this on their LRST?
You expect a lot for only $25-30K. Geez
None of the new softails are comfortable. Sad
Looks to me with my 6 feet 3", I'll stick to the touring model E-glide ! 😂 Thanks for the review ! 👍
Your steering bar is not even, it is higher on the left side
The street bob has the same crappy sitting position my knees were way up
You Lost Me at "West Coast" Inspired... Who wants Anything coming from the West Coast!
It looks too mismatched. Front fairing and bags dont match the bike.
Heyyyy man love alll your stuff it keep it upppp first comment wooooooo 1776🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Thanks brother
West coast styling, if you want that go find an inexpensive Victory or buy a new Indian.
Guarantee a person will be changing that seat out…..
And I am only 5’7” also
Watch out when you give your opinion on this channel, guess I hurt someone's feelings bo-who snake bite! Not going anywhere fool! Oh Yeah nice video Hegshot
Hegshot, There is a gal on TH-cam that does Yoga in her underwear and she has over a million subscribers. If you were to do Yoga in your underwear at the end of your vids it may help you get more subs.