@@shaonicolas7255 But they are also withholding learning. The BBC has a huge collection of excellent programmes which are not available except on TH-cam
👁⇢🔭✨💫...👾🔬⇠👀...✝🔥Pascal was clearly an early, and very vocal proponent of irreducible complexity and "Intelligent Design"... 📚🧐Fine Company I keep...if I do say so myself..
Thanks for this fascinating programme. Well remember it being on TV in the 80s. BBC could do worse than remaster it and make it generally available, if they haven't done their usual trick of wiping the tapes!
these americans... they look like regular humans and behave just like that but something must be different about them, and I believe that it is for cultural and not for genetic reasons of intelligence, that whatever I hear from or about them strikes me either with the intelligence I would expect from a human being or with a thoughts seated so deep in the core of their culture, thoughts that cannot be found somewhere else this wide spread. But I also don't want to believe in the standard explanation, which says that it is all due to the founding of their nation, for this phenomena. As a European I followed their elections and this year I wondered whether I also have become a product of american culture, for I watched with feelings of sensation how characters from a reality TV show run their campaigns and I too have become a consumer of their political entertainment and I look upon their culture with the same feelings of superiority they once felt, when they made "the Negros" a spectacle and exposed them staged and naked in cages for the public. I too have become part of the spectacle think of myself as a sane person, gazing across the Atlantic. But I guess I'm not the only one who through objecting their culture and the cultural imperialism has become part of their culture or at least more alike to the amused and entertained american.
If you were to ask the presenter whether he believed in God as an Anglican or erstwhile Anglican priest, I think he would be hard pressed to answer in the affirmative. He comes at the end of a process by which faith in the Western European sphere has been subject to the 'Enlightenment' and than the astonishing intellectual breakthroughs of Darwinism. Now Anglicanism is little more than a feel good social movement amidst the consumerism of the modern age. Forgive me for categorising you, please do not take offence, but have you seen Timothy Winter/Abdal Hakim Murad on TH-cam?
@@AbuLaith1963 I am not interested in listening to a counterintuitive view for the time being. I enjoyed watching the documentary, irrespective of what views and beliefs, the presenter holds.
This truly is a great series, but when I contemplate the fact that this video has 48k views while one of Kent Hovind's has 511k, I am filled with a terrifying dread.
May I request the closed captions option be switched on? The Auto generated captions is all I ask, as I am 'special' and 'slow'. So the subtitles make it easier to take notes. And, many thanks for uploading this.
Though I like this series, it does need a rebuff or two. In Dame Francis Yates great work, The Art of Memory, Giordano Bruno was not executed for his belief in heliocentrism. A bit more complicated. He was in the position of a teacher and was thrown out of every Protestant country he went to spreading his own doctrines. Astrology and Magic: Bruno was also interested in astrology and magic, which were considered forbidden arts by the Church. Heretical Beliefs: Though he was a Dominican, he rejected the doctrine of the Trinity, the divinity of Christ, and the authority of the Church. He also believed in an infinite universe with many worlds, which contradicted the Church's teachings on the nature of the cosmos. Pantheism: Bruno was also a pantheist, which means he believed that God is identical to the universe itself. This was considered a heretical belief by the Church, which taught that God is distinct from the created world. Rejection of Transubstantiation: Bruno rejected the Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation, which holds that during the Eucharist, the bread and wine become the actual body and blood of Christ. Instead, he believed that the Eucharist was symbolic. Denial of the Virgin Birth: Bruno also denied the virgin birth of Jesus, another central tenet of Catholicism. Writings: Bruno's writings, particularly his philosophical and theological works, were considered dangerous and heretical by the Church. He was accused of promoting ideas that were contrary to Catholic doctrine and of spreading heresy. Refusal to Recant: Bruno was given several opportunities to recant his beliefs and retract his writings, but he refused to do so. This led to his eventual trial and conviction for heresy. His refusal to recant these beliefs and retract his writings ultimately led to his execution by the Roman Inquisition. Science folk still think he was a martyr to science.
Thanks for that wonderful summary - I find myself very much in sympathy with this gentleman's ideas. How tragic and brutal is a religion that has to kill those who have, and dare to share their different personal spiritual experiences and philosophical understandings.
@@papercup2517 Cultural unity importance wasn't owned by any religion/culture back when violence of the other was an ever present threat. These days we can comfortably watch wars from screens and declare moral superiority.
I don't know but the "Sea of Faith Network" might be able to help you with that. www.sofn.org.uk/ Incidentally a book acompanied the series, and though it was not just a set of transcripts, it might be helpful.
Though I like this series, it glosses over the political landscape of post-Reformation Europe during the time of the Galileo controversy. Note that the Jesuits purpose at the time of the order's creation was a reunification of the Church, and that Reformers, like Luther and Melancthon, were biblical literalists, who vehemently opposed Copernicanism. The Jesuits played a central role in Galileo's condemnation because their interests laid elsewhere, finding common ground with Protestants to help move toward reunification, viewed as a greater purpose than supporting an unproven theory at the time. Rejecting Galileo would have been seen as a small price to pay in the interests of unifying fractured Europe.
@johnofroncesvalles4255 my understanding is that some Jesuits initially supported Galileo, although the broader institutional response from the Church, including influential Jesuits, (towards his advocacy of the Copernican heliocentric model) contributed to Galileo's condemnation and the suppression of his ideas. However, I'm not convinced by your assertion that "the Jesuits purpose at the time of the order's creation was a reunification of the Church". The Society of Jesus was founded during the Counter-Reformation, a period when the Catholic Church sought to address the challenges posed by the Protestant Reformation. Members of the order aimed to strengthen and reform the Catholic Church from within, promote Catholic doctrine, and combat Protestantism through education, missionary work, and spiritual guidance. I think it is more accurate to say that, while the work of the Jesuits included outreach to those who had left the Church, their primary focus was on strengthening the Catholic faith and expanding its influence rather than explicitly seeking reunification with Protestant groups.
@@Ben_C. Hello Ben, Thanks for your reply. As for the Church's response to heliocentrism, the initial response to Copernicus's theory was largely indifferent and stayed that way for many decades, even discussed at leading universities of the day, at least that is what I learned by reading scholar Lovejoy's The Great Chain of Being. Lovejoy went on to discuss how easily the idea could be squared with theology, though another book I have read, Galileo's Mistake, goes on about the true heresy being Galileo's attempt to square theology with heliocentrism rather than providing a scientific proof of heliocentrism, not scientifically proven untl the 18th century. The definition of "theory" being part of the dispute. Galileo's Mistake was more about not staying in his natural philosophy lane and getting into biblical exegesis, a field he would have been understandably a novice at. The Jesuits belief in education was thought of as a recapture strategy of the "heresies" that formed around them. By then, Scholasticism as an intellectual movement was being propagandized against, (with some justification, but not much) Descartes being educated in Scholastic teaching and rejecting them, so very much an uphill battle. Cheers.
In case anyone was wondering as I was Don Cupitt is not a Christian in any real sense as he says at the beginning. He may have been at the time of filming its hard to say since he tends not to give straight answers, but from what I could make out when reading about him he is at present something of a Christian Atheist.
This is a reductive way of thinking about his faith. He still considers himself a Christian to this day, and he doesn't think very much of the accusations of Atheism because, as he alludes to in this episode, yesterday's heresies are today's orthodoxies. What is considered atheism at any given time is only so relative to the other ideas that we have about religion.
Around 200 AD Origen of Alexandria, the most popular Christian writer of his era said that most of the Bible was metaphorical and allegory. He even goes so far to say that only childish fool believes in Genesis literally. And yet many Christians believe in Genesis literally. So who is right? We literally have thousands if denominations and hundreds of thousands often contradictory interpretations. For me the most profound Christian writer of the 20th century was Paul Tillich who I think would have fit in this series because Tillich was both a pastor and studied existential philosophy. The way that Tillich responded was to point out that Christian and Judaism is a record of phenomenological and ontological questions of being and points to the Bible to make his case. But other Christians accuse Tillich of heresy because he refuses literalist interpretation And Tillich actually accuses them of idolatry mistaking a symbol for the ultimate in the same way explained by Isaiah. The question then is what is Christian? It seems today thaf the charge of “he is not a real Christian“ is a way of refusing to be challenged, which is a very lazy way of practicing religion.
I lived in the U. S. for more than 33 years. I do not remember watching an American program that attempted to do what this series attempted. A few Bill Moyers programs on PBS may be worthy of mention; but not close... That said, I find this program to be overproduced and with overdramatic use of 'music.' Even though I consider myself a philosopher, I also think that far too much emphasis is given to philosophers who ended up writing influential books. Future documentarians may do well by placing more emphasis on people (of whatever faith, or lack thereof) who live lives of virtue and service to humankind --as well as the flora and the fauna. I highly recommend a documentary (which aired on PBS): "Weapons of the Spirit" (1987).
It is very sad to see this series getting an airing again. Don Cupitt like many ‘intellectuals’ is always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth. Virtually everything he asserts in the Sea of Faith series is a product of his own lostness and inability to see himself as he really is before the Creator God. He tries to awe us by stating our smallness vis a vis the vastness of the Universe but cannot see that his so-called intellectual philosophising springs from a sinful and unbelieving heart! He tries to sell us a ‘Religion’ that is not based on historical facts. But religion is not Christianity, that is the big mistake that people like Don Cupitt and others like him make. Roman Catholicism is not Christianity, Anglicanism is not Christianity. Christianity is something quite different and ‘other’ from these denominations, and many like them. Now there are many true Christians within these expressions, but being a member of any one of these, being baptised, or even have a ministry within these (like Don Cupitt), does not make or guarantee that the person is a true Christian. In his series he asserts - and expects us just to believe him, that the Bible “has now been completely demolished as an historical work”, when in fact his view just springs from an unbelieving heart and as he freely admits ‘years of mental turmoil’. Not a good basis I would say to take his words as authoritative and true! He then goes on to assert certain facts about modern medicine and the Covid epidemic versus the Christian faith that are simply not true. Indeed the Christian faith is the only basis for science and modern medicine. As I say, he is a sad old man who has made no advance it seems other than to arrive at an ‘approximately final position’ where he views himself now as ‘incurably religious’, not a position recommended for anyone! The Bible has not just been assailed in ‘these modern times’ as he tries to kid us, but the Bible and the true Christian faith has been attacked from the beginning - and it is still here, and thriving. No, all his ideas come from a sinful heart of unbelief and rejection of the true revelation of God, and it is very sad, and the consequences for him and others who follow his lead are devastating!
Deep thoughts transformative documentary substance with subliminal style of surreal artforms resting movement on surfaces scaled self contents fills the othering contexts grounded truths and facts toned voice of experience enlightens both heart and heart at the same time and space beholding the values that binds, builds, bonds and breaks connections between and beyond. Thanks lot for insights.
Religion in the west were becoming less strict in the industrial revolution Galileos theory about the solar system revolving the sun were true and he was almost killed because of people not believing in him Pascal says that you can either believe or not believe in god, we will never know the truth
What progress we haven't made. The irony is that the big bang theory has answered Genesis whilst trying to disprove religion. Even the most hardened scientist has to admit you need something to bang against something to create a big bang .
while i agree with many of the sentiments of the presenter, such as the idea that human life should be given dignity and value "up to the last breath", i have to profoundly disagree with the conclusions drawn here. Humanity does not need a god to value our existence, nor is feeling the sole province of religion. What moral cowardice to say so, and intellectual blindness to ignore the desperation of Pascal's wager and the corruption of Galileo's suppression.
Vikas Thakur Not entirely true!, although it is true that religion have been used to seriously damage scientific knowledge and advancement,.However religion was not created, it evolved through out the prehistory. Neanderthals, for example are believed to be religious, as there is evidence suggesting it, from their burials! Of course that religion as well as other ideas have been used to control the masses!
I think Cupitt's looking at Pascal etc from the perspective of the seventeenth century. It's easier for us now to say 'humanity does not need a God (a supernatural, medieval god, that is) to value our existence', because we have learnt to live with the concept, but in Pascal's time it must have felt as if the entire foundations of humanity had given way. It would be like learning today that all we thought we knew about mathematics or astronomy, for example, was completely false.
7kurisu Well I suppose that's because he is coming from a fairly traditional Anglican background, as he points out he was a clergyman at one time. As I understand it, Cupitt (and the Sea of Faith movement of which he is a part) is attempting, as Jung did, to reclaim the central themes of religion from superstition and the supernatural. Whether this makes him a religious apologist I'm not sure. I'd say an apologist was more somebody like CS Lewis who held a traditional, supernatural view of religion.
Voltaire was right. “ Cultivate your own Garden” Find it your in your family, friends, enjoy a good cup of coffee and get laid as much as possible in your garden. That is the secret of life. Don’t spend your time in religious bullshit. Carpe Diem my mortal friend.
☭✊🏿🏳🌈⚧...la mentalite' postmoderne:..𝕄𝕠𝕣𝕖...𝙵𝚊𝚖𝚘𝚞𝚜 𝙻𝚊𝚜𝚝 𝚆𝚘𝚛𝚍𝚜 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝙻𝚊𝚜𝚝 𝙲𝚎𝚗𝚝𝚞𝚛𝚢... ❮«27:22»❯"...The Truth"-Now: it's not in fixed positions...it's in the Quest !"..
people who preserve wonderful old programmes like this are doing an important thing. thanks.
DMA Lewis they are indeed much appreciated 🙏🏾
well not really lol. theyre breaking copyright laws.
OLD ? Is Blake or Shakespeare OLD ? Bishop Butler,,,a thing is what it is and not another thing
@@shaonicolas7255 But they are also withholding learning. The BBC has a huge collection of excellent programmes which are not available except on TH-cam
yes
The passage used from "Pensees" by Pascal was extremely brilliant!
👁⇢🔭✨💫...👾🔬⇠👀...✝🔥Pascal was clearly an early, and very vocal proponent of irreducible complexity and "Intelligent Design"...
📚🧐Fine Company I keep...if I do say so myself..
Thanks for this fascinating programme. Well remember it being on TV in the 80s. BBC could do worse than remaster it and make it generally available, if they haven't done their usual trick of wiping the tapes!
This was such a great series - thanks for putting it on TH-cam 🙂.
Good that this is still available.
they dont make shows like this any more.
... This Bloke 46:45 reminds me of "Burt Campbell" from 1980s TV Comedy Series SOAP... Brilliant Documentary
Thank you for posting. Great viewing. Thank you!
hurrah for Don Cupit
This is a great series. It is in keeping with the likes of James Burke's "The Day the Universe Changed"
This is excellent stuff! Thank you for uploading.
Galileo - 14:16
Pascal - 30:04
"Not even the most way-out religious conservative believes we can do without modern medicine." Obviously this man has never been to the United States.
these americans... they look like regular humans and behave just like that but something must be different about them, and I believe that it is for cultural and not for genetic reasons of intelligence, that whatever I hear from or about them strikes me either with the intelligence I would expect from a human being or with a thoughts seated so deep in the core of their culture, thoughts that cannot be found somewhere else this wide spread.
But I also don't want to believe in the standard explanation, which says that it is all due to the founding of their nation, for this phenomena.
As a European I followed their elections and this year I wondered whether I also have become a product of american culture, for I watched with feelings of sensation how characters from a reality TV show run their campaigns and I too have become a consumer of their political entertainment and I look upon their culture with the same feelings of superiority they once felt, when they made "the Negros" a spectacle and exposed them staged and naked in cages for the public. I too have become part of the spectacle think of myself as a sane person, gazing across the Atlantic. But I guess I'm not the only one who through objecting their culture and the cultural imperialism has become part of their culture or at least more alike to the amused and entertained american.
Perhaps there is a greater truth in laughter than in serious cogitation...
He is a Prof at Cambridge...he has been around the World...he is now an Agnostic or non realist Christian
Anyone who "used to be a Christian" never was one. You would not leave if you knew Christ.
especially now that RFK is about to enter Trump's administration as health secretary!
fantastic! one word. How much I have learned without going to any university.
If you were to ask the presenter whether he believed in God as an Anglican or erstwhile Anglican priest, I think he would be hard pressed to answer in the affirmative. He comes at the end of a process by which faith in the Western European sphere has been subject to the 'Enlightenment' and than the astonishing intellectual breakthroughs of Darwinism. Now Anglicanism is little more than a feel good social movement amidst the consumerism of the modern age. Forgive me for categorising you, please do not take offence, but have you seen Timothy Winter/Abdal Hakim Murad on TH-cam?
@@AbuLaith1963 I am not interested in listening to a counterintuitive view for the time being. I enjoyed watching the documentary, irrespective of what views and beliefs, the presenter holds.
@@syedadeelhussain2691 Fair enough
Thank you for this ❤️
This truly is a great series, but when I contemplate the fact that this video has 48k views while one of Kent Hovind's has 511k, I am filled with a terrifying dread.
It's not how many views they get today, but how many in ten years. I would bet that Hovind has disappeared.
Cool!!!
Great, many thanks😊👍❤️
Thanks God for the internet! Excellent documentary looking forward to binge watching the entire series.
Awesome job, 10x!
BTW I think this series is still available on DVD via the "Sea of Faith Network".
It is! £12.50 for all 6 episodes. Have used them in schools and discussion groups!
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Good
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May I request the closed captions option be switched on? The Auto generated captions is all I ask, as I am 'special' and 'slow'. So the subtitles make it easier to take notes. And, many thanks for uploading this.
Why can't i download it bro
Cool
Though I like this series, it does need a rebuff or two. In Dame Francis Yates great work, The Art of Memory, Giordano Bruno was not executed for his belief in heliocentrism. A bit more complicated. He was in the position of a teacher and was thrown out of every Protestant country he went to spreading his own doctrines.
Astrology and Magic: Bruno was also interested in astrology and magic, which were considered forbidden arts by the Church.
Heretical Beliefs: Though he was a Dominican, he rejected the doctrine of the Trinity, the divinity of Christ, and the authority of the Church. He also believed in an infinite universe with many worlds, which contradicted the Church's teachings on the nature of the cosmos.
Pantheism: Bruno was also a pantheist, which means he believed that God is identical to the universe itself. This was considered a heretical belief by the Church, which taught that God is distinct from the created world.
Rejection of Transubstantiation: Bruno rejected the Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation, which holds that during the Eucharist, the bread and wine become the actual body and blood of Christ. Instead, he believed that the Eucharist was symbolic.
Denial of the Virgin Birth: Bruno also denied the virgin birth of Jesus, another central tenet of Catholicism.
Writings: Bruno's writings, particularly his philosophical and theological works, were considered dangerous and heretical by the Church. He was accused of promoting ideas that were contrary to Catholic doctrine and of spreading heresy.
Refusal to Recant: Bruno was given several opportunities to recant his beliefs and retract his writings, but he refused to do so. This led to his eventual trial and conviction for heresy.
His refusal to recant these beliefs and retract his writings ultimately led to his execution by the Roman Inquisition. Science folk still think he was a martyr to science.
Thanks for that wonderful summary - I find myself very much in sympathy with this gentleman's ideas. How tragic and brutal is a religion that has to kill those who have, and dare to share their different personal spiritual experiences and philosophical understandings.
@@papercup2517 Cultural unity importance wasn't owned by any religion/culture back when violence of the other was an ever present threat. These days we can comfortably watch wars from screens and declare moral superiority.
Can I get scripts of these videos? I'm interested in translating these into other languages.
I don't know but the "Sea of Faith Network" might be able to help you with that.
www.sofn.org.uk/
Incidentally a book acompanied the series, and though it was not just a set of transcripts, it might be helpful.
Appreciate!!!
Brilliant!
Modern man in search of a Soul 🙏
Though I like this series, it glosses over the political landscape of post-Reformation Europe during the time of the Galileo controversy. Note that the Jesuits purpose at the time of the order's creation was a reunification of the Church, and that Reformers, like Luther and Melancthon, were biblical literalists, who vehemently opposed Copernicanism. The Jesuits played a central role in Galileo's condemnation because their interests laid elsewhere, finding common ground with Protestants to help move toward reunification, viewed as a greater purpose than supporting an unproven theory at the time. Rejecting Galileo would have been seen as a small price to pay in the interests of unifying fractured Europe.
@johnofroncesvalles4255 my understanding is that some Jesuits initially supported Galileo, although the broader institutional response from the Church, including influential Jesuits, (towards his advocacy of the Copernican heliocentric model) contributed to Galileo's condemnation and the suppression of his ideas. However, I'm not convinced by your assertion that "the Jesuits purpose at the time of the order's creation was a reunification of the Church". The Society of Jesus was founded during the Counter-Reformation, a period when the Catholic Church sought to address the challenges posed by the Protestant Reformation. Members of the order aimed to strengthen and reform the Catholic Church from within, promote Catholic doctrine, and combat Protestantism through education, missionary work, and spiritual guidance. I think it is more accurate to say that, while the work of the Jesuits included outreach to those who had left the Church, their primary focus was on strengthening the Catholic faith and expanding its influence rather than explicitly seeking reunification with Protestant groups.
@@Ben_C. Hello Ben, Thanks for your reply. As for the Church's response to heliocentrism, the initial response to Copernicus's theory was largely indifferent and stayed that way for many decades, even discussed at leading universities of the day, at least that is what I learned by reading scholar Lovejoy's The Great Chain of Being. Lovejoy went on to discuss how easily the idea could be squared with theology, though another book I have read, Galileo's Mistake, goes on about the true heresy being Galileo's attempt to square theology with heliocentrism rather than providing a scientific proof of heliocentrism, not scientifically proven untl the 18th century. The definition of "theory" being part of the dispute. Galileo's Mistake was more about not staying in his natural philosophy lane and getting into biblical exegesis, a field he would have been understandably a novice at.
The Jesuits belief in education was thought of as a recapture strategy of the "heresies" that formed around them. By then, Scholasticism as an intellectual movement was being propagandized against, (with some justification, but not much) Descartes being educated in Scholastic teaching and rejecting them, so very much an uphill battle. Cheers.
Anglican Priests for a soft landing, a continual landing perhaps, of the end of faith. A Christian way to end it?
22heloise22 Exactly the way I like to look at it.
does anyone know what the last song with the string section is?
I think the strings bit is music composed for the series, it then segways into "The Spacious Firmament on High".
Galileo was shown the instruments of torture, and recanted.
"pure, se muove!" he muttered under his breath.
"However, it does move! "
As for the place of religion in medicine , God is the ultimate placebo!
There was nothing about descartes here😅, Or did i missed it?
Good point, he is mentioned in passing at about 31:24.
Sorry in my memory there was directly more about him.
Pascal's commentary is sufficient
In case anyone was wondering as I was Don Cupitt is not a Christian in any real sense as he says at the beginning. He may have been at the time of filming its hard to say since he tends not to give straight answers, but from what I could make out when reading about him he is at present something of a Christian Atheist.
It's pretty clear at the end of this episode that he can't accept the supernatural stuff
This is a reductive way of thinking about his faith. He still considers himself a Christian to this day, and he doesn't think very much of the accusations of Atheism because, as he alludes to in this episode, yesterday's heresies are today's orthodoxies. What is considered atheism at any given time is only so relative to the other ideas that we have about religion.
Around 200 AD Origen of Alexandria, the most popular Christian writer of his era said that most of the Bible was metaphorical and allegory. He even goes so far to say that only childish fool believes in Genesis literally. And yet many Christians believe in Genesis literally. So who is right? We literally have thousands if denominations and hundreds of thousands often contradictory interpretations.
For me the most profound Christian writer of the 20th century was Paul Tillich who I think would have fit in this series because Tillich was both a pastor and studied existential philosophy.
The way that Tillich responded was to point out that Christian and Judaism is a record of phenomenological and ontological questions of being and points to the Bible to make his case.
But other Christians accuse Tillich of heresy because he refuses literalist interpretation And Tillich actually accuses them of idolatry mistaking a symbol for the ultimate in the same way explained by Isaiah.
The question then is what is Christian? It seems today thaf the charge of “he is not a real Christian“ is a way of refusing to be challenged, which is a very lazy way of practicing religion.
whats the poem at the start?
1:25
I lived in the U. S. for more than 33 years. I do not remember watching an American program that attempted to do what this series attempted. A few Bill Moyers programs on PBS may be worthy of mention; but not close... That said, I find this program to be overproduced and with overdramatic use of 'music.' Even though I consider myself a philosopher, I also think that far too much emphasis is given to philosophers who ended up writing influential books. Future documentarians may do well by placing more emphasis on people (of whatever faith, or lack thereof) who live lives of virtue and service to humankind --as well as the flora and the fauna. I highly recommend a documentary (which aired on PBS): "Weapons of the Spirit" (1987).
Sounds pragmatic thus scientific logic
Unmoved mover (Aristotle)
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It is very sad to see this series getting an airing again. Don Cupitt like many ‘intellectuals’ is always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth. Virtually everything he asserts in the Sea of Faith series is a product of his own lostness and inability to see himself as he really is before the Creator God. He tries to awe us by stating our smallness vis a vis the vastness of the Universe but cannot see that his so-called intellectual philosophising springs from a sinful and unbelieving heart! He tries to sell us a ‘Religion’ that is not based on historical facts. But religion is not Christianity, that is the big mistake that people like Don Cupitt and others like him make.
Roman Catholicism is not Christianity, Anglicanism is not Christianity. Christianity is something quite different and ‘other’ from these denominations, and many like them. Now there are many true Christians within these expressions, but being a member of any one of these, being baptised, or even have a ministry within these (like Don Cupitt), does not make or guarantee that the person is a true Christian.
In his series he asserts - and expects us just to believe him, that the Bible “has now been completely demolished as an historical work”, when in fact his view just springs from an unbelieving heart and as he freely admits ‘years of mental turmoil’. Not a good basis I would say to take his words as authoritative and true! He then goes on to assert certain facts about modern medicine and the Covid epidemic versus the Christian faith that are simply not true. Indeed the Christian faith is the only basis for science and modern medicine.
As I say, he is a sad old man who has made no advance it seems other than to arrive at an ‘approximately final position’ where he views himself now as ‘incurably religious’, not a position recommended for anyone!
The Bible has not just been assailed in ‘these modern times’ as he tries to kid us, but the Bible and the true Christian faith has been attacked from the beginning - and it is still here, and thriving.
No, all his ideas come from a sinful heart of unbelief and rejection of the true revelation of God, and it is very sad, and the consequences for him and others who follow his lead are devastating!
5:54
33:58
Deep thoughts transformative documentary substance with subliminal style of surreal artforms resting movement on surfaces scaled self contents fills the othering contexts grounded truths and facts toned voice of experience enlightens both heart and heart at the same time and space beholding the values that binds, builds, bonds and breaks connections between and beyond. Thanks lot for insights.
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Religion in the west were becoming less strict in the industrial revolution
Galileos theory about the solar system revolving the sun were true and he was almost killed because of people not believing in him
Pascal says that you can either believe or not believe in god, we will never know the truth
What progress we haven't made. The irony is that the big bang theory has answered Genesis whilst trying to disprove religion. Even the most hardened scientist has to admit you need something to bang against something to create a big bang .
My DR gave prescription written on it "Happiness "
Yet Copernicus Kepler and Galileo were devout Christians, Keplers cosmology in particular was guided by his belief in God, Sorry Dawkins
* tips fedora *
Jesus is not a myth! The atheists always claim that.
Can someone have been real, and be a myth?
while i agree with many of the sentiments of the presenter, such as the idea that human life should be given dignity and value "up to the last breath", i have to profoundly disagree with the conclusions drawn here. Humanity does not need a god to value our existence, nor is feeling the sole province of religion. What moral cowardice to say so, and intellectual blindness to ignore the desperation of Pascal's wager and the corruption of Galileo's suppression.
Religion was created to control the masses and it's done the job very well.
Vikas Thakur Not entirely true!, although it is true that religion have been used to seriously damage scientific knowledge and advancement,.However religion was not created, it evolved through out the prehistory. Neanderthals, for example are believed to be religious, as there is evidence suggesting it, from their burials! Of course that religion as well as other ideas have been used to control the masses!
I think Cupitt's looking at Pascal etc from the perspective of the seventeenth century. It's easier for us now to say 'humanity does not need a God (a supernatural, medieval god, that is) to value our existence', because we have learnt to live with the concept, but in Pascal's time it must have felt as if the entire foundations of humanity had given way. It would be like learning today that all we thought we knew about mathematics or astronomy, for example, was completely false.
I appreciate that, however Cupitt made this documentary in our time, and comes across as a religious apologist
7kurisu Well I suppose that's because he is coming from a fairly traditional Anglican background, as he points out he was a clergyman at one time. As I understand it, Cupitt (and the Sea of Faith movement of which he is a part) is attempting, as Jung did, to reclaim the central themes of religion from superstition and the supernatural. Whether this makes him a religious apologist I'm not sure. I'd say an apologist was more somebody like CS Lewis who held a traditional, supernatural view of religion.
Voltaire was right. “ Cultivate your own Garden” Find it your in your family, friends, enjoy a good cup of coffee and get laid as much as possible in your garden. That is the secret of life. Don’t spend your time in religious bullshit.
Carpe Diem my mortal friend.
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