The pool was probably the culprit if they used it in the winter, the alkylines from the pool itself can be worse then deciders, which I don’t believe they didn’t use deicers if they were using it in the winter, I’ve had problems with the chemicals in the pool on concrete before on pool decks I’ve done, and like you, I couldn’t argue with them, just went and fixed it on my dime. Another nice job, you have the best channel on TH-cam, and anyone that asks me about doing a pad themselves I tell them to watch your videos.
It always sucks as a contractor to fix things that aren't your fault. I'm a GC in Colorado Springs and I haven't met a single contractor yet that provides any kind of warranty whatsoever on concrete work. You just can't, too many variables at play. Not to mention most people would never pay to have concrete installed at the highest possible quality, at the right thicknesses, with the right rebar, with the correct ground prep for drainage based on their soil type. Ya, not going to happen. We also have crazy hail that can cause surface issues and crazy temperatures swings. This guy has to be one of the most experienced concrete guys in the country and if he has problems that just tells you how crazy concrete is
I'm 4 minutes in to the video, and paused it to scroll down to see if anyone realized what happened here. The pool was drained onto the pad and the chemicals in the pool water lifted the surface of the stamped concrete. It may have frozen onto the surface in a freeze thaw cycle as well.
@Mike Day Concrete My money is on the hot tube/pool ran over from rain/snow melt, and the chemicals in the water ruined the sealer. Look at the tarp job on the cover. There has definitely been an issue there. Nice fix though. Good on you to stand behind your work.
Mike, I did concrete finishing for over 20 years and I never got into the overlay products. My understanding is it will only last as long is how good you prep it and the surface has to be really clean. How long will the overlay last on a project like this? Do you recommend it for driveways? And what I mean by last is when it starts to peel up.
I was wondering the same thing. I could be wrong, but I always shy away from doing overlays, despite getting asked by customers to do them. It's my understanding that the freeze/thaw cycles we get in Minnesota will wreck ovelays, and I've seen my share of work them that have gone bad.
Love ur channel! Can I do stamped over non stamped concrete? Got a front walkway that has freeze/thaw damage... not much but, want to fix it. My wife would luv stamped... can it be done?
You guys are good, overlay is so hard to do correctly. I tried to do this as a side job when I was 24 and lost my shirt because I didn’t know what the hell I was doing.
Looking at the condition of the grass around the pad it's clear something has been washing off the pad effecting the grass. Perhaps your customer is doing something they don't recognize they are doing to effect the concrete. Previous comment re: pool water with associated chemicals sloshed on to the pad makes sense.
I know everybody was thinking , damn it looks great without the stamp , maybe we shouldnt stamp it , hold up get the owner i want to show him this and give him/her a chance to change their mind. 3/8" , in the sun , thats some anxious times.
Just my opinion but I think the pool should have been removed if that pool ever goes south it will probably have a slightly different stamp finish from the seems around the pool
Actually, in my opinion, you would’ve been just fine after grinding that surface off to just apply a 2 part epoxy primer - salt blocker. Then a solid base stain & a semi transparent accent stain and seal it with a 2 part Poly semi gloss and been done with it. It looks like a lot of unnecessary work to re-restamp the Ashlar Slate .
I guess they drained that chlorine water on the pad . The only other way damage like that occurs in my experience is the concrete wasnt mixed properly which i highly doubt from watching your work over the years.
Did u have to cover that out of pocket? I have had some similar issues with some broom finish Crete we did .I wonder sometimes if I'm getting the correct mix design. I had to fix both slabs out of pocket cost me $9000 ,but both customers are satisfied that's what matters nice job Mike and guys
I'm a GC in Colorado Springs and I can attest to the fact that you do not get the correct mix quite often. we had issues here with a company for an extended period of time and they weren't telling anyone about the issues they were having with their mix. It was making the surface incredibly rough when broom finished. We switched concrete companies and the problem went away.
@@chrisheet523 Yeah that company is terrible. I've had concrete companies lie and say they didn't add fly ash, when it's apparent to any real finisher.
The pool was probably the culprit if they used it in the winter, the alkylines from the pool itself can be worse then deciders, which I don’t believe they didn’t use deicers if they were using it in the winter, I’ve had problems with the chemicals in the pool on concrete before on pool decks I’ve done, and like you, I couldn’t argue with them, just went and fixed it on my dime. Another nice job, you have the best channel on TH-cam, and anyone that asks me about doing a pad themselves I tell them to watch your videos.
It always sucks as a contractor to fix things that aren't your fault. I'm a GC in Colorado Springs and I haven't met a single contractor yet that provides any kind of warranty whatsoever on concrete work. You just can't, too many variables at play. Not to mention most people would never pay to have concrete installed at the highest possible quality, at the right thicknesses, with the right rebar, with the correct ground prep for drainage based on their soil type. Ya, not going to happen. We also have crazy hail that can cause surface issues and crazy temperatures swings. This guy has to be one of the most experienced concrete guys in the country and if he has problems that just tells you how crazy concrete is
Probably a salt water system
I'm 4 minutes in to the video, and paused it to scroll down to see if anyone realized what happened here.
The pool was drained onto the pad and the chemicals in the pool water lifted the surface of the stamped concrete. It may have frozen onto the surface in a freeze thaw cycle as well.
Thanks Chris, I really appreciate your comments
Thanks for the comment and insight about where you're from Chris!
Amazing the new products and additives out there! Looks good so far!
Not gonna lie, the ground down surface looks kinda cool.
I know, it did, I liked it too.
Thank you Mike. Beginner here love the videos and info.
Thank you
It looks like salt damage could be de icing or salt pool. I like the grinder concrete look
Thanks
Love your videos Mike! Nice to have some help, even if its just loading in/out!
Thanks
@Mike Day Concrete My money is on the hot tube/pool ran over from rain/snow melt, and the chemicals in the water ruined the sealer. Look at the tarp job on the cover. There has definitely been an issue there. Nice fix though. Good on you to stand behind your work.
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Mike, I did concrete finishing for over 20 years and I never got into the overlay products. My understanding is it will only last as long is how good you prep it and the surface has to be really clean. How long will the overlay last on a project like this? Do you recommend it for driveways? And what I mean by last is when it starts to peel up.
I was wondering the same thing. I could be wrong, but I always shy away from doing overlays, despite getting asked by customers to do them. It's my understanding that the freeze/thaw cycles we get in Minnesota will wreck ovelays, and I've seen my share of work them that have gone bad.
You'll be back there again, they will drain it out onto the stamped concrete again!
Love ur channel! Can I do stamped over non stamped concrete? Got a front walkway that has freeze/thaw damage... not much but, want to fix it. My wife would luv stamped... can it be done?
Yes, it's the same process.
You guys are good, overlay is so hard to do correctly. I tried to do this as a side job when I was 24 and lost my shirt because I didn’t know what the hell I was doing.
What are you using to fix cracks hairline to 1/8 in pool decks these days? Will the over lay fill in cracks. I guess that’s what I’m asking
Looking at the condition of the grass around the pad it's clear something has been washing off the pad effecting the grass. Perhaps your customer is doing something they don't recognize they are doing to effect the concrete. Previous comment re: pool water with associated chemicals sloshed on to the pad makes sense.
My thoughts
Looks good for a day…or 2
WTF does that mean?
Will the product work on driveways? Can we put a broom finish on it and what about a rusted area
It would work on driveways, they have a different product for broom finishes, goes on a little thinner.
@@MikeDayConcrete any fix for a rusted area where rebar must be too close for to the surface
@@MikeDayConcrete I guess I would remove the rebar from the rusty area and patch it let it cure out and apply the over lay naterial
Was that a salt water pool? Looks like a lot of burning on the lawn.
I don't think so.
I know everybody was thinking , damn it looks great without the stamp , maybe we shouldnt stamp it , hold up get the owner i want to show him this and give him/her a chance to change their mind. 3/8" , in the sun , thats some anxious times.
We had good help
is this warranty work or are you charging them for this repair
Does this stuff self-level?
Not quite but almost. You have to move it with a Guage rake.
nothing makes me cringe more than no safety gear. she has no eye wear and no respirator, stay safe. otherwise great video
Just my opinion but I think the pool should have been removed if that pool ever goes south it will probably have a slightly different stamp finish from the seems around the pool
Actually, in my opinion, you would’ve been just fine after grinding that surface off to just apply a 2 part epoxy primer - salt blocker. Then a solid base stain & a semi transparent accent stain and seal it with a 2 part Poly semi gloss and been done with it. It looks like a lot of unnecessary work to re-restamp the Ashlar Slate .
mike smoking gun, just thought of something is that lap pull a salt water filter pool, if it was maybe that what got on the concrete?
I guess they drained that chlorine water on the pad . The only other way damage like that occurs in my experience is the concrete wasnt mixed properly which i highly doubt from watching your work over the years.
Did u have to cover that out of pocket? I have had some similar issues with some broom finish Crete we did .I wonder sometimes if I'm getting the correct mix design.
I had to fix both slabs out of pocket cost me $9000 ,but both customers are satisfied that's what matters nice job Mike and guys
I'm a GC in Colorado Springs and I can attest to the fact that you do not get the correct mix quite often. we had issues here with a company for an extended period of time and they weren't telling anyone about the issues they were having with their mix. It was making the surface incredibly rough when broom finished. We switched concrete companies and the problem went away.
@@chrisheet523I'm in Springs too. What company?
I believe it was Action Ready Mix we had an issue with. I don't personally manage the concrete crews, so I'm not 100% sure
@@chrisheet523 Yeah that company is terrible. I've had concrete companies lie and say they didn't add fly ash, when it's apparent to any real finisher.
Look under the pool. If no damage salt was probably used. If damaged under the pool you did something wrong.
i bet the pools the cause of it A heated pool used in the winter would cause a bunch of freeze thaw cycles