You are an absolute genius, great work on this project. I also want to thank you for your insight into my problem. I copied it so that I could refer to it often. I think there might be a Bible verse to go along with it also. God bless Bill and Merry Christmas.
Amazing you have taken 150 years of life off that but stock if you had gone any further it would just be a block of wood . Beautiful work you should be PROUD .
Thanks John. There is a huge story that goes along with this gun and restoration. There is a lot more to go on this project. Hope you subscribe and watch the work still to do.
@@SixRoundsStudio already done! My son and I stopped into the shop last w/e, planning on that more often. Keep up the good work. Each one of those pieces calls for its own bag of tricks, and that is where the real satisfaction of the job is!
Amazing restoration. I was wondering why brass dowels? Wouldn't a wooden be just as good if not even better?, ( since the glue would penetrate into its pores)
I had to go back and watch the video to see which dowel you were talking about. 🙃Reality is, that I probably could have done the repair without any dowels. Epoxy would have held it fine considering how small the piece was. My concern doing the glue up was that the broken part would not line up properly when I applied the epoxy and tape...that it would wonder off center. Mostly the dowels were for alignment. Now...why the brass? The dimension width was so narrow that a wooden dowel would have been very fragile and weak. I could turn the brass down to a very small dimension and still retain the strength necessary not to break when I was installing it into the wood, but still align the two parts of the repair. I hope that answers your question? And thank you for the compliment. Don't forget to watch the entire playlist on the restoration of this old American classic. It took me a year to do the full restoration.
That makes perfect sense, thank you very much for your efforts and reply.😊 I am about to restore a brown bess musket and have been watching your videos to avoid making mistakes.
Thank you. These restorations are usually passion projects for the owners. Many folks are surprised when I give them estimates to do a restoration (and many never come back after I tell them the cost).
Carefully 😉 I put some marking compound on the top of the pins and then lowered the little piece down on to the pins. The holes in the broken piece were drilled slightly larger than the pins so that when I applied the epoxy I had some adjustment to fit.
Every restoration is different. Depending on current condition; what the owner expects; how much of the firearm the owner wants restored; problems discovered along the way (this shotgun had many). It is not unusual for the cost to exceed the value. Most restorations are family heirlooms and have been in the family for generations...or have been poorly maintained (or both).
I have a Neumann Bros “The Interchangeable “ 12 Ga. and I’m thinking about restoring it. Luckily, no cracks or chips. Just dents and pressure scores I’ll attempt to steam out. I wasn’t sure I could take it apart without damaging the stock, but you’ve motivated me. What did you do with the metal? Reblue it or just buff it?
Not entirely sure I understand your question about the metal. If you watch more of the series on this shotgun, I cover a lot of what I have done to the receiver and the barrels (barrels are still in process). Thanks for the comment and its great that one of my vids have had an impact.
@@SixRoundsStudio : I often get told I should have been a watch maker because of my love of detail and meticulousness. I haven’t seen all of your videos of the shotgun barrel treatment, but I’ll search for it. Thanks again.
…just wondering why the needle approach instead of immersing the cracks in a jar of acetone? That would get into every nook and cranny clearing out all oil.
@@sandymilne224 Well...being surgical in the approach keeps any potential harm limited to the smallest possible area, and focus your work only on the affected area. The acetone will have some residual affects like removing the tannin's (color) from the wood. If I were to soak the wood it would very possibly change the color. Also...are we ever completely certain that there is not some underlying or unseen weakness or previous repair that the acetone may affect or release. There may be no harm done by soaking the stock...or there may be irreparable harm. In restoration we always strive to do the least harm and to respect as much of what is original as is possible. I compare it to using a sledgehammer to do the work of ballpeen. In other words...just because you can doesn't mean you should.
I have a stock, actually the forearm that needs restoring on a army navy forearm, 1870's (10,000 + s/n) circa? could you help If I send photo's and what you would charge?
@@SixRoundsStudio U used a brass nail or stud when u glued the loose part on the stock behind the lock. That was the thing i refere to. And it is actually weaker than without the nail or stud. Also metal in wood is not a good thing since wood is moving acording to other prinsip than metal. So when it is warm the wood shrink while the metal expend and when it is cold metal chrink and the moist in the ait is higher - maybe rain and the wood expend. Also when the temperature is changing from cold to warmer the moist in the wood will condense to the metal causing small condense/moist marks and damanges. However I like to point out U did a nice job with the gun and I really liked to watch it
I have an old 12 gauge side by side from my Dad.. I'm retired now and would love to fix the small crack in the narrow wrist.... Think it's an Eastern brand most likely not worth much money but it's my Dad's and I really don't have much to remember him from.... Last time I shot it was over 50 yrs. ago... I remember going rabbit hunting with him walking through the fields get a few bunnies for the pot....I can bed, fix, build pretty much anything but their my bang bangs this old work horse was my Dad's and I don't want to screw it up... I keep it back in my safes in a silicone sleeve.... Would love to shoot it again with my 36 yr. old son and pass it to him be fore it's my time.... Do you take on this type of work or know someone who does this stock work n go over the workings n metal work ?? I live in 2 states one is the commie state of NJ and I just moved to NC to enjoy our 2 Amt. right n sport.... I would love to be able to shoot it with my son with low brass trap shot..... be well n Keep America Great.
@@MegaBait1616 I see you have your own channel...cool stuff. I am so far out right now that I am not taking on any new work. But thanks for considering me.
As Larry Potterfield from Midway USA shows in his videos, just soak the wood in a bucket of acetone to remove the oils in the stock. No need to use needles which seems like a giant waste of time. This is a beat-up shotgun, not a $50K collector's item.
Thank you for your comment Todd. Larry has his methods. Not a beat up old shotgun but a family memory. This is for pride of place and history. You either understand this or you don't. We apply the same care and craft no matter the client or the cost of the gun.
@@williamg.rodeschin7811 Soaking the tang of the stock in acetone is hardly the same as a sledgehammer. There is no practical purpose to using a surgical needle.
@@SixRoundsStudio No need to get nostalgic here. Soaking the tang of the stock in acetone (or mineral spirits) is perfectly acceptable and will not harm the stock in any way. However, using a surgical needle is tremendously time-consuming and does not afford any advantages over other methods. And Larry is a master gunsmith, lets be clear, and his videos have millions of views.
That stock has had quite the journey, Bill! A truly wonderful rescue!
A journey indeed
Redoing that checkering is not for the faint of heart. Great restoration! Don't think that wood will split ever again...lol
Thank you. It is my hope that it stays together 🙂
Absolutely Fantastic-Thanx Tom
Glad you enjoyed it. thank you for watching and commenting!!!
You are an absolute genius, great work on this project. I also want to thank you for your insight into my problem. I copied it so that I could refer to it often. I think there might be a Bible verse to go along with it also. God bless Bill and Merry Christmas.
love watching true craftsmen at work, excellent refurbishment gentlemen
Thank you Superman....wow...I never thought I would ever say that. Appreciate the comment!
@@SixRoundsStudio my pleasure, it's wonderful to see such care and attention to detail in any craft.
That entire gun is a work of art!
Yep...it did come out pretty nice. Thank you Tim!
Amazing you have taken 150 years of life off that but stock if you had gone any further it would just be a block of wood . Beautiful work you should be PROUD .
Thank you Earl... Someday you should be able to see it before I return it to the customer
OUTSTANDING OLD SCHOOL STOCK REFINISHING!
Thank you Christopher
Great work, amazing transformation!
Thank you lee.
Beautiful work. Looks like dentistry!
Thank You
Thank you for sharing your work and bring to live a piece of history.
Thank you Henry
You sir are a true craftsman!
Very much appreciated John!
Who would have thought that stock would turn out so beautiful! A true testament to your awesome work! Thanks for the Vid.
Your welcome...and thank you for taking time to comment. Really appreciate that!
Fantastic work, Bill. Tom Ireland
Thank you Tom!
Well done! Oh and love the use of the jazz track in the segues!
Much appreciated Robby. Some viewers dont like music in the vids so I appreciate that too.
Is that a Spitfire i see on your wall? 😂👍🏴
Beautiful job on the gun! Old school craftsmanship 👍
It is a Spitfire. A beautiful and once dangerous airplane. Thank you on the comment !
That's a lot of labor invested. The result is fantastic, bet the customer was tickled!
Thanks John. There is a huge story that goes along with this gun and restoration. There is a lot more to go on this project. Hope you subscribe and watch the work still to do.
@@SixRoundsStudio already done! My son and I stopped into the shop last w/e, planning on that more often. Keep up the good work. Each one of those pieces calls for its own bag of tricks, and that is where the real satisfaction of the job is!
@@johnhowald9495 Thanks John. See you next time you visit
Very good job, oh man. you are amazing.
I'm waiting for the next video .
Thank you very much 😊
Thanks abdo. Starting on the receiver now.
Beautiful work!
Thank you very much!
Amazing restoration.
I was wondering why brass dowels?
Wouldn't a wooden be just as good if not even better?, ( since the glue would penetrate into its pores)
I had to go back and watch the video to see which dowel you were talking about. 🙃Reality is, that I probably could have done the repair without any dowels. Epoxy would have held it fine considering how small the piece was. My concern doing the glue up was that the broken part would not line up properly when I applied the epoxy and tape...that it would wonder off center. Mostly the dowels were for alignment. Now...why the brass? The dimension width was so narrow that a wooden dowel would have been very fragile and weak. I could turn the brass down to a very small dimension and still retain the strength necessary not to break when I was installing it into the wood, but still align the two parts of the repair. I hope that answers your question? And thank you for the compliment. Don't forget to watch the entire playlist on the restoration of this old American classic. It took me a year to do the full restoration.
That makes perfect sense, thank you very much for your efforts and reply.😊
I am about to restore a brown bess musket and have been watching your videos to avoid making mistakes.
Looks good. The time and labor would have to be a small fortune.
Thank you. These restorations are usually passion projects for the owners. Many folks are surprised when I give them estimates to do a restoration (and many never come back after I tell them the cost).
One more excellent video!
Thank you Koko
Try rubber bands or surgical tubing to hold. Odd shaped glue repaurs
Very nice 😊
Thank you Mark
.fine job😮
Thank you!
How did you match the holes in the broken piece with the pins in the stock?
Carefully 😉 I put some marking compound on the top of the pins and then lowered the little piece down on to the pins. The holes in the broken piece were drilled slightly larger than the pins so that when I applied the epoxy I had some adjustment to fit.
Would you be interested in doing another Ithaca double barrel 12ga?
Not for a while. I get two or three request a week and am out nearly to the coming fall.
Is there anyway you guys would be able to restore mine if so what steps do i have to take in order to get it you guys
Hi Gavin. Thanks for the question. Right now I am over a year and a half out...so not taking any restoration projects for a while.
what does a restoration like this cost?
Every restoration is different. Depending on current condition; what the owner expects; how much of the firearm the owner wants restored; problems discovered along the way (this shotgun had many). It is not unusual for the cost to exceed the value. Most restorations are family heirlooms and have been in the family for generations...or have been poorly maintained (or both).
Love your video, what kind of epoxy did you use?
Any good quality, clear, 12 hour epoxy will work. I prefer the epoxy in small tubes that you mix together, not the epoxy in a self mixing gun.
I have a Neumann Bros “The Interchangeable “ 12 Ga. and I’m thinking about restoring it. Luckily, no cracks or chips. Just dents and pressure scores I’ll attempt to steam out. I wasn’t sure I could take it apart without damaging the stock, but you’ve motivated me. What did you do with the metal? Reblue it or just buff it?
Not entirely sure I understand your question about the metal. If you watch more of the series on this shotgun, I cover a lot of what I have done to the receiver and the barrels (barrels are still in process). Thanks for the comment and its great that one of my vids have had an impact.
@@SixRoundsStudio : I often get told I should have been a watch maker because of my love of detail and meticulousness. I haven’t seen all of your videos of the shotgun barrel treatment, but I’ll search for it. Thanks again.
@@sandymilne224 Thanks Sandy....really appreciate it. Craftsmanship is a place more than a thing. But I think you get that.
…just wondering why the needle approach instead of immersing the cracks in a jar of acetone? That would get into every nook and cranny clearing out all oil.
@@sandymilne224 Well...being surgical in the approach keeps any potential harm limited to the smallest possible area, and focus your work only on the affected area. The acetone will have some residual affects like removing the tannin's (color) from the wood. If I were to soak the wood it would very possibly change the color. Also...are we ever completely certain that there is not some underlying or unseen weakness or previous repair that the acetone may affect or release. There may be no harm done by soaking the stock...or there may be irreparable harm. In restoration we always strive to do the least harm and to respect as much of what is original as is possible. I compare it to using a sledgehammer to do the work of ballpeen. In other words...just because you can doesn't mean you should.
What do you use for that old oil finish look? If you don't mind
I actually mix my own and add color to the finish. It is a bit of a process.
I have a stock, actually the forearm that needs restoring on a army navy forearm, 1870's (10,000 + s/n) circa?
could you help If I send photo's and what you would charge?
Thank M YOUNG. I appreciate the inquiry. Right now Im not taking any new work...already out over a year.
the brass nails make is weaker than it would if u glued it with epoxy
Not sure your point? Everything was epoxied, and I never used any nails.
@@SixRoundsStudio U used a brass nail or stud when u glued the loose part on the stock behind the lock. That was the thing i refere to. And it is actually weaker than without the nail or stud. Also metal in wood is not a good thing since wood is moving acording to other prinsip than metal. So when it is warm the wood shrink while the metal expend and when it is cold metal chrink and the moist in the ait is higher - maybe rain and the wood expend. Also when the temperature is changing from cold to warmer the moist in the wood will condense to the metal causing small condense/moist marks and damanges. However I like to point out U did a nice job with the gun and I really liked to watch it
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I have an old 12 gauge side by side from my Dad.. I'm retired now and would love to fix the small crack in the narrow wrist.... Think it's an Eastern brand most likely not worth much money but it's my Dad's and I really don't have much to remember him from.... Last time I shot it was over 50 yrs. ago... I remember going rabbit hunting with him walking through the fields get a few bunnies for the pot....I can bed, fix, build pretty much anything but their my bang bangs this old work horse was my Dad's and I don't want to screw it up... I keep it back in my safes in a silicone sleeve.... Would love to shoot it again with my 36 yr. old son and pass it to him be fore it's my time.... Do you take on this type of work or know someone who does this stock work n go over the workings n metal work ?? I live in 2 states one is the commie state of NJ and I just moved to NC to enjoy our 2 Amt. right n sport.... I would love to be able to shoot it with my son with low brass trap shot..... be well n Keep America Great.
@@MegaBait1616 I see you have your own channel...cool stuff. I am so far out right now that I am not taking on any new work. But thanks for considering me.
That plastic tape is not duct tape.
OK
As Larry Potterfield from Midway USA shows in his videos, just soak the wood in a bucket of acetone to remove the oils in the stock. No need to use needles which seems like a giant waste of time. This is a beat-up shotgun, not a $50K collector's item.
Thank you for your comment Todd. Larry has his methods. Not a beat up old shotgun but a family memory. This is for pride of place and history. You either understand this or you don't. We apply the same care and craft no matter the client or the cost of the gun.
I guess the difference might be to use a sledgehammer or to be surgical in the approach.
@@williamg.rodeschin7811 Soaking the tang of the stock in acetone is hardly the same as a sledgehammer. There is no practical purpose to using a surgical needle.
@@SixRoundsStudio No need to get nostalgic here. Soaking the tang of the stock in acetone (or mineral spirits) is perfectly acceptable and will not harm the stock in any way. However, using a surgical needle is tremendously time-consuming and does not afford any advantages over other methods. And Larry is a master gunsmith, lets be clear, and his videos have millions of views.
@@tberkoff Todd, can you share your experience? I am interested
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