Mpiua Tiostouea, a Language for Time Travelers | Cursed Conlang Circus 2 Entry

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  • This is my entry in @AgmaSchwa's 2nd Cursed Conlang Circus.
    This is not the first #conlang I've created, but it is the first one I've formally published. Also, keep an eye out for more time travel content (without the conlang) in the future.
    Update: I have since learned that my phonology does not match the top twenty world languages, as /p/ does not occur in Arabic. I apparently copied its phonology wrong at some point.
    Reference Grammar and Word List: docs.google.com/document/d/1c...
    Download link for my font: drive.google.com/file/d/1FIo_...

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  • @unusualfabrication9937
    @unusualfabrication9937 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1076

    imagine needing to use matrix math to understand which conjugation you need to use

    • @Raykkie
      @Raykkie 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +166

      Can confirm that's how French works

    • @CoPoint
      @CoPoint 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +57

      ...which leaves only two possibilities:
      - young members of that race can only learn their language after being old enough to comprehend matrix math (but in what language would matrix math, and anything else, for that matter, be taught up to then 😵?
      - at some point, they just went "oh, to **heck** with it..." and integrated the ability to comprehend that aspect of their mathematics / their language / why not just the whole language, while they're already busy in there, into their genome, in one way or another...
      Dammit, just thinking about _this one little corner case_ of that language gives me a headache 🥴...

    • @gunngg908
      @gunngg908 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@Raykkie 💀whar

    • @deryckchan
      @deryckchan 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Can confirm that's how I read Ancient Greek

    • @Monoryable
      @Monoryable 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      Alternatively, matrix multiplication exam is a prerequisite for using a time machine

  • @Moley1Moleo
    @Moley1Moleo 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +820

    Finally, a language with which I can describe games of "5D chess with multiverse timetravel".

    • @astralnekomimi
      @astralnekomimi 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      I just watched a video on that lmao. It's really trippy

    • @gastonmarian7261
      @gastonmarian7261 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      The way people keep coming up with descriptive models for moving through higher dimensions, it's like a need for it is soon to burst over the scene of culture

    • @StuffandThings_
      @StuffandThings_ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@gastonmarian7261 Fr, there seems to be an interest around 4D games too. There's a 4D golf game in development, and I'm waiting for 4D Miner to take off.

    • @theapexsurvivor9538
      @theapexsurvivor9538 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      ​@@gastonmarian7261well logically, if you were from a future where humanity was woefully underprepared for gaining access to 5 dimensional multiversal time travel, the solution is to plant the necessary concepts and information at a reasonable juncture for it to become a cultural staple that most people will know about in time for the breakthrough...

    • @justseffstuff3308
      @justseffstuff3308 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      BRO same, on waiting for 4D miner to take off. I just keep wondering when it's gonna get properly popular.

  • @OrangeC7
    @OrangeC7 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +439

    "Huh, a language that only uses diphthongs and no single vowels? That's a pretty cool idea actual-- oh, triphthongs, too... ok th-- wait, WHAT DO YOU MEAN TETRAPHTHONGS"

    • @amandasunshine2
      @amandasunshine2 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +65

      ALL THE THONGS

    • @lorefox201
      @lorefox201 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +54

      it fails in lacking at least one Pentathong

    • @ze_rubenator
      @ze_rubenator 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lorefox201*pentaphthong

    • @fedeonio555
      @fedeonio555 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      My language has one lesgoo

    • @NoriMori1992
      @NoriMori1992 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      -Wouldn't it be "tetraphtongs"?- Edit: Looks like it got fixed. …Oh jeez, and I misspelled it in my correction. That's "Muphry's law" for you! ("Muphry" is misspelled on purpose, look it up on Wikipedia.)

  • @obansrinathan
    @obansrinathan 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +571

    in the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy it mentions a linguist who attempted to make new verb forms for time travel. They never caught on.

    • @user-ef8kc4rv7n
      @user-ef8kc4rv7n 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +78

      And hitchhikers guide only has terminator/interstellar/prisonerofazkaban time travel so it's far less confusing

    • @NStripleseven
      @NStripleseven 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

      Gotta love that “you can have on-book haventa forewhen presooning returningwenta retrohome”

    • @space__idklmao
      @space__idklmao 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      I willan have-be loverey deleled this concept

    • @pierreabbat6157
      @pierreabbat6157 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Dan Streetmentioner, right?

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      give it time, you might not be ready for it, but your kids are gonna love it.

  • @tylercreative3096
    @tylercreative3096 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +698

    Now to just apply some language drift across multitudes of timelines and time travellers and you’ve got yourself the foundation of a timeless storyline.

    • @CoPoint
      @CoPoint 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      ...and/or the grandfather (-paradox🤭) of all wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey tempora-linguistic messes ever conceived...
      Darnit, now I want to read this 😁...

    • @EmergencyTemporalShift
      @EmergencyTemporalShift 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      I feel like language Drift wood be less because you're constantly talking with Time travelers of every time

    • @Kram1032
      @Kram1032 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      @@EmergencyTemporalShift there is a time line for any conceivable and inconceivable amount and type of language drift.

    • @user-fr1fk9mn2i
      @user-fr1fk9mn2i 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      this is a multiversal setting the grandfathers paradox does not apply here@@CoPoint

    • @quizzly_6114
      @quizzly_6114 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@CoPoint Could the grandfather paradox even occur in a time travel system such as presented? As your original timeline would still exist, meaning if you killed your past relative you wouldn't cease to exist, just the new timeline's version of you would.

  • @a2rhombus2
    @a2rhombus2 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +418

    I'm in love with cursed conlang creators conceptualizing entirely new fields of logic to base a language on, it's actually so fascinating

    • @dominicpancella3012
      @dominicpancella3012 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Their creativity is boundless, and also ridiculous

    • @silverblank1139
      @silverblank1139 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      some concepts are simply not possible without language paving the way to them. you will see in eastern or even latino cultures things that are difficult to express in english.

    • @-minushyphen1two379
      @-minushyphen1two379 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@silverblank1139Like what? I can only think of 孝 in Chinese - where one character represents a fundamental concept that English speakers don't always use, which is "filial piety".

  • @jan_Majeken
    @jan_Majeken 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +99

    Scp-055 is a good example of a 7th person being, whenever you think about it, you forget it ever existed, a perfect example of an antimeme

    • @Frommerman
      @Frommerman 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      055 isn't the perfect antimeme. After all, it's possible to remember things it is not, possible to know it has a location even if you need prompting to remember it exists, and records of its containment protocol are not self-censoring. A true antimeme would be utterly uncontainable, as even negative information concerning it would be impossible to contain either in a human mind or in any hard format.

    • @randomperson1955
      @randomperson1955 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      @@Frommerman A better example is SCP-3125 Aka "The Escapee". The INSTANT you realize it exists(don't even need to figure out how it works, just need to see the hole in the concept space it's creating, even just with horrible plots) it erases you, your work, your relatives, your friends and anyone who thinks like you. It erases things so cleanly that you can't even observe the holes normally, or with memory recovering drugs. You need to use special equipment, which then makes you see the hole, which activates it's ability, killing you.
      The only way the antimemetics division was able to study it was by having an information sealed room which had a memory wiping mechanism that triggers when leaving.

    • @thevalarauka101
      @thevalarauka101 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      what are you talking about? there's no SCP-055

    • @jan_Majeken
      @jan_Majeken 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@thevalarauka101 yeah i have no idea what i meant, that one was skipped because, uh, what was i talking about?

  • @ontoverse
    @ontoverse 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +112

    I love how Russel's paradox shows up in the 7th tense-- anyone who knows how to actually use it is by definition in an unreachable timeline, where the concept being referred to is known but then is it actually in the 7th tense? Quite suitable for a timetravelling language!

    • @theapexsurvivor9538
      @theapexsurvivor9538 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Alternatively they're in a reachable timeline but the time between them learning how to use it and forgetting is shorter than the minimum time required to teach the usage of it. Which is quite likely given that it refers to anti-memes and thus understanding how to use it removes the understanding of how to use it.

    • @robonator2945
      @robonator2945 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      techincally you could know *_how_* to use it, you'd just never be able to actually think of an example of such a case outside of extremely distant concepts. "Well you uh, you'd, basically when you can't think of a thing, it's probably 7th tense, but it also might just be something you don't understand, or something that's above your understanding, but isn't technically impossible to understand... just, you'll know to use it when you need to use it"
      It's sort of like how people can describe eldritch gods as being undescribable; the description can never be useful in describing the thing itself, but it can be useful in defining what the thing isn't, i.e. describable.

  • @Douli218
    @Douli218 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +115

    I mean this isn’t really cursed just very well worldbuilt

    • @DrWhom
      @DrWhom 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      it is cute how you youngsters have found a new use for the adjective _cursed_ but don't forget we already had _confounded_

    • @Douli218
      @Douli218 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ippos_khloros6163 y’all are *wilding*

    • @Duiker36
      @Duiker36 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@DrWhom Well, the problem with calling them "confounded conlangs" is that confounded describes the conlang. Who's doing the confounding, and why did the language feel confounded? You could say "confounding conlangs", though? If you say "cursed conlangs", though, everyone understands: we cursed the conlang, because it was worthy of being cursed at. Perhaps you wanted to say "accursed conlang"?

    • @DrWhom
      @DrWhom 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      are you confusing confounding and confusing?@@Duiker36

  • @player5sRat
    @player5sRat 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +63

    Truly, one of the languages of all time

    • @rkemihmu
      @rkemihmu 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Holy shit, you actually made that meme make sense

  • @williamhills6927
    @williamhills6927 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +259

    as a potential future coauthor of the (in some probable futures) bestselling book "Navigating Multidimensional Time: An Introduction to Time Travel in a Non-Deterministic Branching Multiverse and Related Transtemporal Concepts", I approve of this conlang.

    • @wolfetteplays8894
      @wolfetteplays8894 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I wish you luck! I’m writing and working on World building for a few projects of my own, and it ain’t entirely easy

    • @Decopunk1927
      @Decopunk1927 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I am the other co-author

    • @Tynach
      @Tynach 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Sorry, but the multiverse doesn't actually branch. All the 'branches' are just positions along a probability axis, and all positions already exist and have always existed.
      It's still non-deterministic though, even moreso now that you can destructively make permanent changes.
      Good luck figuring that mess out ;)

    • @Decopunk1927
      @Decopunk1927 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Here's how the time machines in my time travel story operate.
      I propose, to correspond to the three spatial dimensions {x,y,z} are three temporal dimensions {t,u,v} where timelines can branch in and you can view them as physical structures. As three-dimensional creatures we can only experience three axes at once, so under my rules a time machine shifts the frame of reference to drive to its destination on the timelines instead of space. This is why time machines arrive in the same location they left. (Since location has to be relative to something, it would be most useful to set it relative to Earth's surface.)
      For my storytelling purposes, there's a seventh axis {w} for what I call "meta-time" which is how one can experience time passing while operating a time machine. The universe is constantly expanding, which means time is constantly expanding, so the future doesn't exist until it happens, and thus you'd be able to watch timelines lengthen at one second per meta-second. If timelines happen to be perfectly misaligned they could collide, which might be bad.
      Now this is kind of arbitrary, but a significance of Back to the Future's 88 miles per hour is that a timeline could be 88 hours per mile of length, but that's kind of arbitrary.
      So to conclude, in my time travel story You Shall Erase This Day From The Memory Of Time a time machine can go back (but it takes a road trip) and the only way forward is waiting patiently for the future to exist, and all actions in the past result in a branched timeline, which means historians can use it to alter events in different ways to determine their significance.
      Thank you for coming to my ted talk.

    • @Tynach
      @Tynach 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Decopunk1927 While I wouldn't use your system myself, I appreciate several aspects of it, and would love to see or read something that uses this set of mechanics. In particular, I GREATLY appreciate your inclusion of meta-time and the future not having been written yet, because I had recently read a very neat and well-written article by a very smart person who advocated for thinking of physics as 'timeless', simply because the Universe does not perfectly ever return to a previous state, so 'current state of the Universe' could be used instead of time to tell the time.
      Which made me really frustrated, because physics - especially down to quantum mechanics, which this very smart person used to help formulate this 'timeless physics' more exactly - is NOT deterministic, and you can only use 'current state of the whole system' as a replacement for 'current time within the system' if you DO have deterministic physics.
      And especially since it was recently proven that the Spectral Gap problem in quantum mechanics is mathematically undecidable, that - to me - sounds like 'timeless physics' is completely disproven.
      It seriously bothered me that this very very smart person would overlook such a huge problem with their idea.. So it's actually very cool that YOUR idea DOESN'T overlook it, instead incorporating it.

  • @kasane1337
    @kasane1337 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +86

    I love languages that are easy to pronounce and somehwat logical if used on easy examples, but grow exponentially in complexity once you try to understand any more of its core concept. It's like reading a forbidden tome which at first appears to make sense but then melts your brain.

    • @robonator2945
      @robonator2945 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      the author of which demands you use their 7th person preferred pronouns

  • @Julian_H
    @Julian_H 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +77

    There's someone amazing about there being a regular feature of a language that is existentially horrifying.

  • @LincolnChamberlin
    @LincolnChamberlin 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +141

    This is horrible, i love it

  • @lunascapes
    @lunascapes 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

    Your language uses four time dimensions. You actually made a language that talks about the four-dimensional time cube.

    • @tomkerruish2982
      @tomkerruish2982 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Wow, I'd forgotten about that.

  • @ITR
    @ITR 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +152

    Good video, this is what first got me into the language! Some notes I made during this watching:
    - It should be noted that some time-travelers refuse to use Ioa, which might confuse people new to the language
    - Would be nice with an example of an -insteosui
    - You may see some written texts starting with "nnn" to prevent confusion when communicating with mirrored or rotated entities

    • @kamikeserpentail3778
      @kamikeserpentail3778 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Well why use a spoken language when you can travel to the future to be modified to communicate more efficiently

    • @LucaTeemant
      @LucaTeemant 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Where did you learn to speak it? Was it just from the video, studying the document, or something else? I am very interested in it and I want to learn it.

    • @ITR
      @ITR 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@LucaTeemant I just searched it up in The Great Library.

    • @LucaTeemant
      @LucaTeemant 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ITR What’s that?

    • @ITR
      @ITR 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@LucaTeemant Ask whoever provided you with your time travel device, they should be able to provide you directions

  • @Generalofthest
    @Generalofthest 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +168

    I actually really like this concept. Please expand everything so that it could serve as a functional language, I'm sure it would be good in a sci-fi story.

    • @evah3136
      @evah3136 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      That's where I'm at! Is it terrible that I would love to write a journal-entry style time-travel story that's complicated enough to need this grammar? That would be such a fun project.

    • @Generalofthest
      @Generalofthest 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      @evah3136 Absolutely not. Despite its complex nature, everything in Mpiua Tiostouea exists for good reason, so it would fit perfectly into such a story.

  • @WheatDos
    @WheatDos 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +103

    Now i can FINALLY talk about Doctor Who like a Timelord would!
    Edit: I commented before the Doctor/River example. I guess i was accidentally correct...

    • @andremeIIo
      @andremeIIo 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      There is no such thing as a coincidence. You just had a thought from your future self! Congrats, now you're thinking with time travel.

    • @DrWhom
      @DrWhom 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      au contraire, the _only_ thing that there is, is a coincidence@@andremeIIo

  • @RainShadow-yi3xr
    @RainShadow-yi3xr 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    this is really clever, I'd hesitate to call it cursed except for the fact that time travel itself is cursed so anything trying to explain or quantify it is cursed by association. otherwise, it's just really cool.
    except for the tetrapthongs, those are definitely cursed.

    • @kamikeserpentail3778
      @kamikeserpentail3778 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Time travel is easy, they always exaggerate.

  • @trianglburger19
    @trianglburger19 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    imagine a time travel puzzle game where several almost all of the characters exclusively speak this language.

  • @ShapeKiwi
    @ShapeKiwi 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    let's hope the different multiversal branches also came up with this same system, or else we'd have an uncountable amount of different time travelling languages

  • @thepanplate
    @thepanplate 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +78

    I wonder if this would be an efficient language to use for 5d chess with multiverse time travel

    • @iamsushi1056
      @iamsushi1056 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I imagine you would need to add some emphasis to subjects and delineation between them, but yeah

    • @silverblank1139
      @silverblank1139 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      it seems very low information dense. compare spanish or vietnamese vs english. you need to speak fast to be efficient, otherwise slang all the way

  • @janmelantu7490
    @janmelantu7490 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Dear lord that’s so many verb forms.
    But I need to know the kinship terms. How do we differentiate relatives across timelines?

  • @melody3741
    @melody3741 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I know what you meant in the title but “the language of all time” has the same vibe as “the most language I’ve ever seen”

  • @jan_Majeken
    @jan_Majeken 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    you missed a line. “Because these are universal, it’s safe to assume they’re also multiversal”

  • @worriedpikachu174
    @worriedpikachu174 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    the way you wove a horror story through your conlang was perfect

  • @astralnekomimi
    @astralnekomimi 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    This is some very high effort cursedlanging. Even some of the most well known clongs often don't have lost/reconstructed forms lmao

  • @iamsushi1056
    @iamsushi1056 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I would like to point out that there are actually five temporal dimensions (or possibly six, maybe) because _Ioa_ (Objective Time) is relative to the universe(s) at large and doesn’t account for time dilation which happens locally. Given the rule that there are no absolutes, and anything possible can/will/has occurred, eventually a time traveler will encounter a situation where they are within a single universe and timeline, but experiencing time slower than the speed it is actually flowing relative to everything else all at once.
    Time dilation is a phenomenon where if there is anything supermassive nearby, the gravitational pull literally distorts spacetime. Anyone near one of these events experiences time at a much slower rate. This can also happen when traveling at superspeeds (approaching the speed of light), because you yourself become smaller, size-wise, and heavier, mass-wise, until the gravitational force you exert on the universe slows you down. Technically, this happens with any gravitational body (anything with mass) and increases the faster (relative to multiple points throughout the rest of the universe or the universe at large) it moves. The International Space Station has to set their clocks to be fractionally faster than the ones on earth. Time dilation can theoretically be used to hold you in stasis while the world moves around you, effectively acting as a gateway to the future. Since all motion and mass contribute to this, time travelers will need an additional relative universal time since this enables them to travel forward on a timeline without branching. The true objective time can still be measured relative to the entire universe at large, because of fancy handwavey stuff with relative motion that I don’t really understand well enough to explain, but this also introduces a larger question:
    If each person can take a perfectly accurate timepiece with them and experience different dilations, that means that relative to them, time flows at a consistent rate. Each person has their own time that is both objective and relative; relative to the flow of time around you, you’re _not_ time traveling, yet it still counts as time travel. This can be corrected against with the universal objective time, but that means that objectively, time flows at different rates for each person. Again, not a problem since the universal time can correct for it. But the question bothering me is, what guarantees that time flows at the same rates between multiverses? How would one even calibrate against that? Because a perfectly accurate clock continues at the same relative rate, time travelers would have no way of knowing if they’re experiencing dimensional time dilation while they are in that universe? To them the clock always tics once per second.
    Sorry to blast you with nitpicks that might require you to reconstruct your entire language to fix, but I just wanted to put my thoughts out there. It is a super interesting and well thought-out conlang otherwise though!

    • @robonator2945
      @robonator2945 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      in other words, it's accounting for time of higher powers, without account for time at lower powers. It's accounting for errors in higher order time, (i.e. time splits that run parallel) but not lower order time where the time within the universe itself splits into localized "segments". (well technically it would probably be a gradient. Then again, probabalistically in a multiverse everything would be more accurately represented by a gradient, so there is probably some naturally segmenting force that creates some meaningful seperation, I'm guessing thats why 7th person exists)
      With that said, this isn't necessarily an issue with a time traveling language, since such subjective distortion is not necessarily an aspect of time itself. Distortion references drift between two reltaive timeframes that should be identical, but not a change in time itself. If we assume the objective linear time can be contextually (1984 comes after 1884, but jesus was born 50 years earlier in this timeline so when I say 1984 it's assumed by context you know I'm referring to this universe where that's 50 years earlier than the "normal" 1984) then the difference between subjective and objective time would account for this locally. When dealing with higher order temporal phenomena this might get more complicated, but hypothetically you could consider a distortion of your timeline's objective time in the same way relative to other branches assuming such a distortion is possible.
      Distortion is only ever going to be a relative comparison, so in theory if you just go-up a power and compare to that it would still work. (i.e. : "for me, time was distorted in my universe by 50 years" is a comparison between your subjective time and objective time) Another possible argument is that such an event itself constitutes a space-local temporal-branch, so an individual who experiences temportal distortion are, themselves, time travelling just within a constant spatial locality. (i.e. : they're never leaving the universe, but they're still time traveling within it) In that sense there isn't any issue at all because it would *_literally_* just be your subjective Uea vs the objective Loa. The issue then of course is that you still run into the gradient issue as described earlier.

  • @AbramDemski
    @AbramDemski 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +56

    Very nice. I am tempted to suggest that special evidence markers would be helpful, especially when talking about the future. EG, I can assert this because I've been there in this timeline; I can assert this because it is usual for timelines; I assert this based on conjecture from known facts. But I suppose this is already covered by tense, given the dimensions of time you identified. EG, if I assert something with a low-negentropy tense, I am asserting that it is what normally happens (so we might expect it in a given timeline, absent reason to the contrary). If I assert something with a past-to-me tense, it means I've seen it with my own eyes, or something close to that.

    • @theapexsurvivor9538
      @theapexsurvivor9538 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You'd probably use "this [happened] (after this happened)" with [*] being past-to-me tense and (*) being local-future tense. You can also go with "this will have happened when I will have been in this date at this relative probability coordinate" if you want to be more precise. You could also go with "assuming the difference between this timeline and that one is sufficiently similar as to have not altered these major events, which is reasonable given it's less different than that timeline, and that other one which also has these major events, we can currently conclude that based on the experiences I had x years ago which I will have in x years from now in that timeline which are consistent with these events in that other timeline according to what the person I will have had had yet to talk to and later talked to earlier in this timeline, meaning that these events will happen in this timeline at these dates unless we take a hand in unmaking them at this date, which seems likely as we have no records of this having had happened in this timeline", which I'm only 99% sure I screwed up the order of operations on once.

    • @theapexsurvivor9538
      @theapexsurvivor9538 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Also, yes, I did give up on marking tense the instant I started using more than 2. Sue me.

  • @LearnRunes
    @LearnRunes 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I always hate it when I lose my quantum homing device.

  • @SurfTheSkyline
    @SurfTheSkyline 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    7 grammatical persons is so bonkers, especially having one of them that nobody has ever even heard of being used haha

  • @matikb.6733
    @matikb.6733 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    The reading at the end sounds like characters from Hello Neighbor
    X )
    As complex as this conlang is, it's honestly really cool to imagine how would people communicate if time travel was common.

    • @user-vm1hi7bo5s
      @user-vm1hi7bo5s 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Охеей, ямие родогие! Бордо жалаповать на мой накал, Личисец! Гесодня расттует оредечная зеблоблачная, дуся по гропзонам, денеля в шанем гродоке.

  • @JaneDoe-xi1sn
    @JaneDoe-xi1sn 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    mfer
    i swear if a time traveler meats another in America of our time and gets told to speak English, they will not visit us again

    • @livedandletdie
      @livedandletdie 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      It's a lot of fun, to meet Americans, steal their wallets, and move back in time, to place their wallets on their bedside table.
      If you've ever been sure you've grabbed your keys or wallet only to find them missing, I can almost guarantee a time traveler.

    • @OrangeC7
      @OrangeC7 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@livedandletdieTime traveling honest pickpockets is something I'm going to look out for, now, thank you

  • @Ibuiltatower
    @Ibuiltatower 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    The Fermat joke a couple of minutes in nearly took me out. Amazing work 😂😂💀💀

  • @lilyofluck371
    @lilyofluck371 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    This is definitely one of the most languages of all time

  • @SnakeSnack
    @SnakeSnack 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I took latin for 5 years, I think I would cry if i had to learn mpiua tiostouea

  • @gatyunla
    @gatyunla 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I've thought about the idea of a conlang for time travelers before, but I see now I didn't consider nearly enough variables
    (good job taking the concept and running it to its cursed conclusion)

  • @manatee8911
    @manatee8911 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    This is unironically a cool Conlang.

  • @Zuorai
    @Zuorai 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    You could make a whole science fiction story or film in this clong

  • @JohnSmith-of2gu
    @JohnSmith-of2gu 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    This is amazingly creative! I love the concept, and I love the subtle horror with stuff like the 7th person that suggests something nasty lurks under the surface.

  • @VegaDW
    @VegaDW 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Someone should integrate this into a toki pona derivative.

  • @Quroe_
    @Quroe_ 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I'm surprised prime number multiplication was not implemented to map on to some ungodly complex chart of some sort that can only be deciphered by prime number factorialization.

  • @justineberlein5916
    @justineberlein5916 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    13:45 I think there's a glitch in the video. The middle of the chart just disappeared here and became solid white for a bit

    • @ScienceMeetsFiction
      @ScienceMeetsFiction  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Weird. I was sure I put something in there. 😉

  • @defenestrated23
    @defenestrated23 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Lost it at "if it's in this timeline, it's usually 4th person parasingular"

  • @StuffandThings_
    @StuffandThings_ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Okay so a couple things I've been thinking about with this:
    1: an Oeitei of 0 shouldn't be the average across all timelines. That would be impossible to comprehend and isn't a feasible thing you can't just average different variations of reality. Your example highlights a far better definition: it is the deviation from the speaker's timeline of events, or alternatively the speaker's definition of normalcy. This would actually be really useful for 2 travelers meeting, as they could quickly find out how unusual their current timeline is in comparison to each of their own home timelines.
    2: the 7th person is honestly way less cursed than it seems (okay, the fact that some words have been deleted from collective memory probably from some antimemetic being is still very cursed) and I'm not sure why there would be no known examples of use. It could simply be some concept that has never been thought of in the speaker's timeline, yet is perfectly normal elsewhere. Say you traveled to a timeline where starting a billion years ago life on earth evolved in a completely different direction. You would have no feasible way of comprehending what that life would look like before observing it. Its pure concept would be unknown to you. Thus, 7th person would be appropriate in this case.

  • @schockmetamorphose7729
    @schockmetamorphose7729 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    This is great. Finally one that doesn'te seem like a short shitpost, but something well thought out! This is actually a great concept

  • @selladore4911
    @selladore4911 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    "impossibility is expressed with an adverb denotating failure"

  • @harleymarshall6929
    @harleymarshall6929 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Finally, a ccc entry that wasnt recorded on a phonogram

  • @DaxSudo
    @DaxSudo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I am watching this as a former nuclear technician and current software engineer. And this is the most emotions I have ever felt about a technical topic. This is insane and so straight forward while adhering to the rules of the construction of language so eloquently.

  • @friendly_sitie
    @friendly_sitie 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I typically reconstruct the Ergative Singular 7th-II-V slightly differently. You have *iosteui for it at 16:02, but my colleagues and I prefer to instead use

  • @ultradude5410
    @ultradude5410 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Couldn't 7th person stuff survive if the speakers told fictional stories that include them? Like campfire scary stories?
    Maybe this is going over my head.

    • @gcewing
      @gcewing 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      The 7th person beings don't want us discussing them, not even fictionally... what was I talking about just then?

  • @typewriterplants
    @typewriterplants 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Honestly the orthography would be cursed even without the language and the tripthongs and whatnot... imagine trying to read that with dyslexia.

    • @CoPoint
      @CoPoint 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Scary thought... I severely hope they have somehow made the genetic cause for dyslexia impossible in their genome - otherwise, any dyslexic in that culture may as well be classified as 'functionally non-verbal', because, with _that_ language structure, probably barely anything they say, based on their understanding, would make any sense whatsoever to anyone else 😬...

  • @an_asp
    @an_asp 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Imagine a linguist in this world, concerned that the language is too complex, and conducting a wide survey across speakers of fluency in different aspects of the language. Some communities more prominently participating in time travel might more quickly and accurately use unusual tenses, since they frequently need them to describe their lives or the lives of their friends and family. Other communities may have less access to time travel, and may struggle to describe tenses and relationships they rarely experience. Imagine that one of the few nearly universal results found by the survey is an unexpectedly high fluency across virtually all demographics in speech using the 7th person, scoring higher than many of the most common forms of speech. This result surely indicates a vast mismanagement of educational resources across a diverse array of timelines to make students so intimately familiar with academic details that they'll certainly never need to use in the real world.

  • @nicholassawyer5320
    @nicholassawyer5320 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Watched a few submissions and this is my favorite by far, good job

  • @novaace2474
    @novaace2474 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love how much worldbuilding you were able to squeeze into a conlanging video. This better win.

  • @Amipotsophspond
    @Amipotsophspond 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    you did a really good job, this takes a lot of work.

  • @Nullsp4ce
    @Nullsp4ce 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    so this is how 5d conlang with multivowel time travel was born. nice to see its origin

  • @bluebunnexyt8289
    @bluebunnexyt8289 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    jfc, what kinda astral horror kinda fearlang is this... you outdid yourself with this one sir I'm gonna be drooling over this for WEEKS

  • @charseraph9175
    @charseraph9175 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love this! The 7th person got me.

  • @thepanplate
    @thepanplate 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Woo! I love your channel
    To see you join us in the cursed conlang contest is absolutely lovely :))

  • @GwynneM
    @GwynneM 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Oooh sweet mercy the sweetspot of my special interests has arrived. Love this one so much.

  • @jadesidhe2634
    @jadesidhe2634 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I absolutely love this

  • @silverkip2992
    @silverkip2992 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Actually a really cool concept for science fiction

  • @adnzip8198
    @adnzip8198 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is unironically a cool conlang

  • @kidyomu89
    @kidyomu89 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    this is actually really cool

  • @windubitably
    @windubitably 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is brilliant, and maybe the nerdiest thing I’ve stumbled onto in TH-cam.

  • @LordOfTheTermites
    @LordOfTheTermites 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I'm pretty sure this uses the exact type of time travel dragon ball z uses

  • @imdartt
    @imdartt 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    this truly is one of the languages of all time

  • @psygamez7727
    @psygamez7727 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    God I can’t imagine how relative long this would take to learn in one continuous time line

  • @rainbowlack
    @rainbowlack 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    this is barely cursed, it's really just. Cool

  • @ricktcher3890
    @ricktcher3890 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I HAD THIS SAME IDEA A YEAR AGOOO THIS IS SO COOL BEING REALIZEEEED

  • @inrisd3704
    @inrisd3704 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love the idea of a temporal tower of Babel due to slang terms existing in only certain timelines

  • @Shrooblord
    @Shrooblord 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is awesome.

  • @DavidsonThomas808
    @DavidsonThomas808 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love this!! I remember similar ideas of really funky grammar for different strange time situations in two books I read when I was a kid. The Time Machine by HG Wells and Hitchhikers Guide to the galaxy by Douglas someone (can't remember his name)

  • @ezdispenser
    @ezdispenser 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    this is the first cursed conlang i've seen that actually sounds like it might be a *learnable, pronouncable, understandable* language and that scares me.

  • @beezwacks
    @beezwacks หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Mpiua Tiostouea is one of the languages of all time.

  • @joelhaggis5054
    @joelhaggis5054 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This one of the languages of all time.

  • @fariesz6786
    @fariesz6786 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    iunno, i don't find it particularly cursed.. it's actually very beautiful
    ( ")

  • @grigoriraspoutine9298
    @grigoriraspoutine9298 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    it's really one of the languages of all times

  • @edmonblackmouth2743
    @edmonblackmouth2743 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    So grammatical person are
    1st (me)
    2nd (you)
    3rd (the guy near us)
    4th (the guy not near us who's somewhere in our universe)
    5th (the guy that was never born who's somewhere in our multiverse)
    6th (the guy that's just a cartoon character who's somewhere in the omniverse)
    7th (the omni-non-existent entity who's nowhere in the omniverse)

    • @CoPoint
      @CoPoint 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I don't know, but that 7th person sounded quite SCP to me, somehow 🤷‍♂...

    • @DrWhom
      @DrWhom 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      he wasn't there again to-day

    • @iantaakalla8180
      @iantaakalla8180 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Now I would like for there to be an SCP who actually exists, but can never interact with anyone because that person is a day after literally everyone else, so that person can never leave clues that he existed (as opposed to just a second ahead where a prolonged touch or some direct contact may signal that a person just a second ahead of everyone else exists).

  • @dgarrard100
    @dgarrard100 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The phrase "does not exist in our memespace" is absurdly cursed in and of itself.

  • @drmilkweed
    @drmilkweed 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The meta note at 2:52 instantly earned you a sub

  • @cyberrrt
    @cyberrrt 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    this is truly the language of all time

  • @MySerpentine
    @MySerpentine 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    This is hilariously evil, especially the whole bit about 7th person.

  • @ShankarSivarajan
    @ShankarSivarajan 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    8:15 You don't need this "statistical normal," since you have a privileged reference time line: the one where no time travel occurs.

  • @electricnezumi
    @electricnezumi 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love the language, but even moreso the world building! When is the book coming out set in a universe where time travelers have this type of culture?

  • @TheIgnoramus
    @TheIgnoramus 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What’s interesting, is I can see a natural learning path in which you stagger the language. As a child you only use the timeline tense, and as you grow or get a timeline job you go to school to learn the REST of the language 😂

  • @geryz7549
    @geryz7549 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    2:52 Is that a goddamn Fermat reference?

  • @pigtools
    @pigtools 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is definitely one of the languages of all time

  • @fortecyveria769
    @fortecyveria769 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hey, whoever writes a time travel story using this exact language as a framework, please let me know. I'll just be here sincerely using the terms ioa, uea, nsea, and oeitei to understand time travel stories, thanks

    • @ScienceMeetsFiction
      @ScienceMeetsFiction  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Glad I could help? Seriously, if I could get any version of those terms into the popular lexicon, it would be a far greater accomplishment than the contest.

    • @iantaakalla8180
      @iantaakalla8180 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Honestly, you have made a good framework to even conceptualize the complexities of time travel elegantly, and thus you will probably be remembered far after this contest ends.

    • @StuffandThings_
      @StuffandThings_ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@iantaakalla8180 Its honestly quite surprising how many genuinely interesting concepts have come out of this contest. Geolaŋ is like perfectly built for creating secret messages, and I swear Goptjaam must have some application either for cryptography or language model training. And now this is like, remarkably well set up for time travel sci fi. Turns out intentionally smashing boundaries and conventional wisdom as hard as you can leads to fascinating results!

  • @tiffanymarie9750
    @tiffanymarie9750 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The Noodle Incident made me actually laugh out loud 😂

    • @nif4345
      @nif4345 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I had to show someone

  • @alperrin9310
    @alperrin9310 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is one of the most spurious videos I've ever seen here on TH-cam clearly on the level of the flat-earthers. Time travel is simply not possible, since time and space are different manifestations of the very same immutable phenomenon which we perceive as the expansion of the universe. To travel back in time then would require the contraction of all space/time everywhere which is just not possible.

    • @devonhardy6447
      @devonhardy6447 หลายเดือนก่อน

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiction

  • @jimmybane5352
    @jimmybane5352 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video, i definitely understood the language, yea…

  • @lulaklaw4101
    @lulaklaw4101 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    if you like this video, read the book "this is how you lose the time war"!! its got time travel stuff as well and this video reminded me of it

  • @stellarx20
    @stellarx20 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It'd be cool to see an uncursed version of this, e.g. antimemetics get uninvolved due to being completely forgotten/don't extend into the basic concept of antimemetics and thus don't extend into deleting pronouns, phonology isn't affected by old gods, etc. Maybe also if it were changed to different forms of time travel like where the time travel effect always happens and thus results in the time travel happening later on or even more chaotic variations where it's just confusing and sometimes time travel will make alternate timelines but sometimes that deletes the original timeline and sends 2 guys to 2022 to make sure a warlord doesn't die because we end up in a utopia if ww3 happens.

  • @unslept_em
    @unslept_em 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i like how 7th person's "no known examples of use, but experts insist we need it" implies that it is definitely being used but due to antimemetic shenanigans its use cannot be perceived or recalled

  • @ollllj
    @ollllj 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    5d-chess is a game, where any time travel to the past creates a new timeline, BUT ALSO any token can move between parallel PRESENT timelines (with chess-toke-constrains for this), without creating a new timeline, and when you move in a past-timeline, the "present-moment" may move back in time.

  • @Neptoid
    @Neptoid 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    These timelines always makes me think of Gits now

  • @tony58300
    @tony58300 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    excellent conlang i tippeth my hat to thee in 7th person

  • @SaltpeterTaffy
    @SaltpeterTaffy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    8:28 It is said that the executioner was the first man to live a truly private life. Forced by societal shame to live on the outskirts of town, doing a necessary but grim task no one else wished to do.
    The same will be true of the Time Travel Ethics Committee, Hitler Timeline Protection Squad.
    Why yes, I have read Wikihistory.