Bandcamp was bought by a bigger company that I believe is into streaming, so they could be suspect, but NO COMPANY is worse than Spotify, so if anyone is claiming Spotify is better than Bandcamp, they are just lying.
Bandcamp was bought by Epic in 2022 but then sold in 2023, I've been on BC since about 2018 but going hard since 2020. It's been the only single revenue stream worth banking on my music most of the others cost me to keep my music up - in fact Bandcamp keeps the rest afloat. The rights ownership thing is not true - Bandcamp states artists will always receive the highest revenue split. The weirdest part is that my sales saw a huge spike around 2022 and have continued climbing, thus resulting in the Epic acquisition perhaps being in favour of artists/Bandcamp in general - atleast that's what the stats say.
Those terms are actually standard. The term “exploit” means they are able to use it to promote you or the site. It’s a legal caveat to protect the company from legal action by artists for placing their music in an ad campaign or playlist, etc. Any good lawyer would write that into the terms. It doesn’t negatively affect the artist.
Good idea to make a website. I'm not satisfied with neither spotify or bandcamp. And it's been also demotivating in some of my latter production steps like mixing, where i'd have anxiety about distribution.
Just signed up for bandcamp the other day because im looking to post my stuff on there, had no idea that this had happened. Thank you for sharing this.
Glad I saw your video as I was just researching to sign up to sell my instruments as I was told it's a decent platform. Damn I'm bugged now 😅 Thanks man
To anyone who says make your own website, Good luck with that. I've made complex websites, but all the functionality on these merchant sites is a huge amount of maintenance and setup, unless you do your own website through another CMS.
@@j.powellnetwork thanks for the update. i have been using bandcamp for a long time and had no clue they sold out to Epic then got passed on yet again. definitely sad to see. i've always just stuck with Bandcamp or self distribution for music release because i definitely wont go to Spotify (getting a fraction of a penny for plays). the Music industry is definitely on its way out in terms of artists getting properly paid
This news is upsetting because I love Bandcamp, I never found another platform that has so much high quality independently released music on it. I paid for a lot of the albums that weren't just being given away for free on there and it's upsetting if that money didn't reach the artist because stealing intellectual property is not ever ethical and it seems the wrongdoing aforementioned in the video is the kind of thing that Prince fought against when he was still here. Also there definitely is not a platform that has more instrumental hip-hop, vaporware, or dubstep.
I'm not an artist but I absolutely love Bandcamp. Not as much now that with the most recent sale taking rights away from artists with regard to publishing rights. I agree that it's probably time for artists to promote on their own websites or maybe partner with a merch store to host the music sales
I want to make clear that the actual wording in the terms of conditions talking abt this is purposely vague because… that’s just how the legal world works. Lawyers and legal people do that just so there’s flexibility when the time comes in the future where BC gets into stuff like that. So in short, I think you’re blowing this way out of proportion. This new change to the T&C isn’t that new, I saw a Twitter thread talking abt this a few months ago, but if this news discomforts you in any way, do the thing makes you comfortable in how your art is used and represented. It’s still a good way to support artists tho, given the indie cred that it’s built up over the years, so idk make up your mind abt it Edit: TL;DR this new change to the terms and conditions doesn’t mean they WILL use your music, it just means they COULD in a situation where they have to for some reason
@@polimana I already mentioned in the video that epic games sold bandcamp I just didn't indicate the name of who it was sold to. Thanks for letting me know the name.
This individual isn't being clear or honest about their interest, scare stories about bandcamp come along every few months. @Artists considering the advice offered here: managing your own web store is lot more time consuming, involved, and costly than J would have you believe.
@@marcoose777 its obviously more work but you own your content and don't have to worry about making content behind your back. It's always the lazy artists that get ripped off
@@j.powellnetwork The most relevant sentence from the ToS:`Company[Bandcamp Ventures LLC] will not have any ownership rights in any elements of an Artist’s Music`. Artists should however keep an eye on changes and what is happening to their copyright material, there is a change log for these ToS (scroll to the bottom). The contract ToS are written in pure legalese, but there is a plain 'English' version at the top. Terms like `Exploit`are confusing, its legal meaning is different from the commonly accepted form, which has many negative connotations. In reality the ToS, from the perspective of artists, have only changed recently to exclude 3rd party claims (shifting liability on to artists), and of course minor changes related to EU data protection laws and change of ownership of BC itself.
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im convinced anyone at this point saying not to put music on bandcamp has been paid off by spotify
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@@C4FF31N3 hahaha you're hilarious
@@j.powellnetwork thanks man
Bandcamp was bought by a bigger company that I believe is into streaming, so they could be suspect, but NO COMPANY is worse than Spotify, so if anyone is claiming Spotify is better than Bandcamp, they are just lying.
Bandcamp was bought by Epic in 2022 but then sold in 2023, I've been on BC since about 2018 but going hard since 2020. It's been the only single revenue stream worth banking on my music most of the others cost me to keep my music up - in fact Bandcamp keeps the rest afloat. The rights ownership thing is not true - Bandcamp states artists will always receive the highest revenue split. The weirdest part is that my sales saw a huge spike around 2022 and have continued climbing, thus resulting in the Epic acquisition perhaps being in favour of artists/Bandcamp in general - atleast that's what the stats say.
Are you still planning to continue to use bandcamp? As I was thinking to sign up. I'm new to selling beats
Those terms are actually standard. The term “exploit” means they are able to use it to promote you or the site. It’s a legal caveat to protect the company from legal action by artists for placing their music in an ad campaign or playlist, etc. Any good lawyer would write that into the terms. It doesn’t negatively affect the artist.
Good idea to make a website. I'm not satisfied with neither spotify or bandcamp. And it's been also demotivating in some of my latter production steps like mixing, where i'd have anxiety about distribution.
Just signed up for bandcamp the other day because im looking to post my stuff on there, had no idea that this had happened. Thank you for sharing this.
We always have physical media, too. I hope CDs make a huge resurgence just like Vinyl did
Glad I saw your video as I was just researching to sign up to sell my instruments as I was told it's a decent platform. Damn I'm bugged now 😅
Thanks man
To anyone who says make your own website, Good luck with that. I've made complex websites, but all the functionality on these merchant sites is a huge amount of maintenance and setup, unless you do your own website through another CMS.
wow. had no idea that bandcamp got bought up by Epic. welp time to pull my whole discography lol
@@ShadesWade lol yeah epic sold the company to some no name company and they are starting these terms.
@@j.powellnetwork thanks for the update. i have been using bandcamp for a long time and had no clue they sold out to Epic then got passed on yet again. definitely sad to see. i've always just stuck with Bandcamp or self distribution for music release because i definitely wont go to Spotify (getting a fraction of a penny for plays). the Music industry is definitely on its way out in terms of artists getting properly paid
lol yeah epic doesn't own it anymore though
@@BiggusDingus43 got it. i know they got passed on to some other bs company. just missed the part where they got bought up by Epic. mind blowing
@@j.powellnetwork ofcourse epic games fucked up, They ruined Rocket League and now there going to ruin more
This news is upsetting because I love Bandcamp, I never found another platform that has so much high quality independently released music on it. I paid for a lot of the albums that weren't just being given away for free on there and it's upsetting if that money didn't reach the artist because stealing intellectual property is not ever ethical and it seems the wrongdoing aforementioned in the video is the kind of thing that Prince fought against when he was still here. Also there definitely is not a platform that has more instrumental hip-hop, vaporware, or dubstep.
I'm not an artist but I absolutely love Bandcamp. Not as much now that with the most recent sale taking rights away from artists with regard to publishing rights. I agree that it's probably time for artists to promote on their own websites or maybe partner with a merch store to host the music sales
Bring back CDs!
bandcamp has been nothing but fantastic for me
i've made a few hundred from bandcamp and just over $30 from streaming, i mean it is what it is 😵💫😔
At this point no platform aint good
i still dont think there is a better platform than bandcamp which is super unfortunate
dude that's like the only platform i can afford to release on rn. why
soundcloud?
@@aSmallGreenDot shit you're right. gonna syndicate from now on
@@aSmallGreenDot nvm. gotta subscribe to a plan. cdbaby it is
I want to make clear that the actual wording in the terms of conditions talking abt this is purposely vague because… that’s just how the legal world works. Lawyers and legal people do that just so there’s flexibility when the time comes in the future where BC gets into stuff like that. So in short, I think you’re blowing this way out of proportion. This new change to the T&C isn’t that new, I saw a Twitter thread talking abt this a few months ago, but if this news discomforts you in any way, do the thing makes you comfortable in how your art is used and represented. It’s still a good way to support artists tho, given the indie cred that it’s built up over the years, so idk make up your mind abt it
Edit: TL;DR this new change to the terms and conditions doesn’t mean they WILL use your music, it just means they COULD in a situation where they have to for some reason
epic actually sold bandcamp to songtradr, so you may need to make a new vid
@@polimana I already mentioned in the video that epic games sold bandcamp I just didn't indicate the name of who it was sold to. Thanks for letting me know the name.
at this point i wish discord had shop integration so artist can build their community and sell to them directly
nah
I know its youtube but like...
Source?
@@arda6140 bandcamp.com/terms_of_use?from=footer
Under the Intellectual Property Rights - Artists. Section
This individual isn't being clear or honest about their interest, scare stories about bandcamp come along every few months. @Artists considering the advice offered here: managing your own web store is lot more time consuming, involved, and costly than J would have you believe.
@@marcoose777 how am I not being honest? Did you even read their terms and conditions?
@@marcoose777 its obviously more work but you own your content and don't have to worry about making content behind your back. It's always the lazy artists that get ripped off
@@j.powellnetwork The most relevant sentence from the ToS:`Company[Bandcamp Ventures LLC] will not have any ownership rights in any elements of an Artist’s Music`. Artists should however keep an eye on changes and what is happening to their copyright material, there is a change log for these ToS (scroll to the bottom). The contract ToS are written in pure legalese, but there is a plain 'English' version at the top. Terms like `Exploit`are confusing, its legal meaning is different from the commonly accepted form, which has many negative connotations. In reality the ToS, from the perspective of artists, have only changed recently to exclude 3rd party claims (shifting liability on to artists), and of course minor changes related to EU data protection laws and change of ownership of BC itself.
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Oh hell nah