Is Mario Galaxy a Good Mario Game? || HOW ABOUT THIS GAME?
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how come mario can talk and breathe when he's in space huh - เกม
Me when Barry says Galaxy is a bad Mario game: 😡
Me after listening for about 10 minutes: 🤔
oh hey PBG.
Relatable
Barry is wise!
Totally! Also hello PBG :)
PBG
He never told me to get out of his house. It's been 6 months.
I'm still here.
Make that 7... Let's be quiet or we might get caught
@@videogamekingdom1 shhh he might hear us
3 months later and we're running out of food.. Hopefully he starts shopping enough food for all of us, or this might be the end.
actually nvm his latest video ends with get out of my house.. We're free
Cool story bro
Dude! Star bits could have been fuel for Mario's flight so they'd become more rewarding to find
Wow, that would've made them MUCH more rewarding to find
But you get them everywhere
@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034 that's most likely the point. it's a limiter, but it doesn't have to be to challenging because it is only supposed to prevent you from skipping the entire galaxy.
I always thought that the star bits were introduced because at the time that Galaxy/the Wii came out, they wanted to take advantage of the motion controls (which were a huge selling point for the Wii, especially to people who might not normally play video games or buy a console). Instead of sitting stationary, on your couch, only moving your thumbs, you were (probably) gesturing at your tv with the wiimote to collect or aim and shoot them. Rather than getting really innovative with story structure or environments, or using the motion controls in a really creative way- we got star bits.
My headcannon is that crushed starbuts are the paint for Jr’s paintbrush. It is pretty magical
*Scott the Woz wants to know your location*
Fuck u beat me to it.
Screw him.
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And jiriard tge conpletionist
This is a good example of how to respectfully criticize a popular game. While this doesn't stop me from enjoying the game, you make some valid points, and it always bothered me how they treated their powerups. The Fire Flower became a temporary powerup and was rarely used as an actual weapon (most notable example I can think of where they actually let you use it to fight instead of clear obstacles was the Squizzard battle in the second game, which I loved) and the Boo Mushroom barely existed at all. The Red Star is probably the worst offender for me, because it only appears in the place you first see it, and then the hub world. You never get to test out this cool powerup in a high-stakes environment.
All i took from this was: still my favorite game, still not quite perfect but damn another sequel with the ideas he presents could be absolutley amazing
Will watch the video today but my thoughts on this:
Mario galaxy would have done better without powerups at all, though I did enjoy the red star in the hub world, flight mechanics aren't exactly what I played the game for.
Exception being the ice flower.
Okay okay. Actually them being permanent would have been better.
Now I'm definitely gonna watch the video later
That was the only thing I didn't like about the game that wasn't just control problems that don't really hinder the experience
This bugged the hell out of me but it's the only thing I don't like
So its still fantastic
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the power ups were present though and how they were used was done well. They didn't have to always expand on them and they balanced a bunch of ideas well and made the levels keep on feeling fresh.
Good video Barry, loved it! 😘
SpaceHamster I guess you could say it was a very fruitful video
I didnt even notice It was Barry from GG. Oh boi, i missed his voice
The only reason I watched it was Barry (formerly of GG) :) Happen to disagree with him, loved SMG, and it wasn't childhood nostalgia, being that I was 29 when it came out.
what?
if the labo isn't a good game then mario galaxy isn't a good game
"That isn't how reflections work!"
"THAT ISN'T HOW REFLECTIONS WORK!"
*"ThAt IsN'T hOw rEflEcTiOns wOrK!"*
Funny how Super Mario Sunshine had way better reflections despite it being five years older.
This video is fantastic! All of your points are great and really makes ya think! :D
Ehhh 8bit cool to see you here!
Lauren Cunningham same!!
It's him. It's the guy.
I like how respectful most people who disagree with Barry are being in these comments. Good job humanity!
Just don't go on the most recent comments
I love videos like this just bc so many game critics automatically say "THIS IS A BAD GAME AND ITS POPULAR WHEN IT SHOULDN'T BE", but this is my idea of good criticism. Admitting that, for its time was good, but now that we've established ideas and nintendo games, you realize it has more potential and deserved more.
Galaxy is one of my favorite games of all time, but looking back at it now, I wish it was something that was introduced *today* solely because the ideas were wayyyyyy too good for a 2007 wii game. ALSO PLEASE GIVE ROSALINA A NEW ROLE BC I MISS HER AND SPINOFFS ARE NOT ENOUGH NINTENDO
Daisy is in like one "main" Mario game and has been relegated to spinoffs for decades.
@@PurpleColonel daisy is the best and her being my fav hurts my soul sometimes
Luckily this comment doesn't know about Super Mario 3D All-Stars...
I was really hoping for a whole series of these.
Barry: "The opposite of inertia..."
Me: "Friction?"
Barry: "...OUTertia."
Me: ".................................................wat"
Oh come on, let him have his f=un
...couldn't find out the proper way to type this pun...
I was fully expecting him to call it “aitreni”.
liking the analysis of the game, but poor choice of words, inertia also makes things hard to start moving.
Its opposite would be an ability to easily and quickly change direction or stop / start moving, nimble or agile.
he almost certainly means momentum
I am sad that this distinction distracts me as much as it does from an otherwise fine video.
But I am also sad the distinction between jealousy and envy is practically gone from english so... pedantry isn't always bad?
sorry, but friction isnt the opposite of inertia. friction just goes against movement in general, while inertia is really just one of newton's three laws
@@timcroft9223 Ah yes body flexibility that's way more comparable.
yay barry
ohi richard
My man!
It's ya boi!
Richaad my man, when are we going to hear some Barry vocals on one of your covers?
thanks rich
Real talk: the sound design in this is next level! Keeping the music and sound effects flowing through with all the different clips is why Barry is such a killer editor. Great video!
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The value of the coin is so low now. Inflation is real even in the Mushroom Kingdom.
wasnt 100 mushroom kingdom coins only worth 10 beanbean kingdom coins in superstar saga
@@GKplus8 The economy was became a million times worse In a matter of hours.
That's mainly because Starbits are the main collectable, and those are very valuable.
*Super Mario Galaxy logic:*
*Solar systems inside galaxies?*
No, that's not right
*Galaxies inside solar systems?*
Yes, and maybe have universes in those galaxies. The posibilities are endless!
Mario Cosmology is different..- probably.
I mean this is a game about a dude who can survive in space but still drowns underwater
@@leonpaelinck fair point
Don't think about it too much.
This is a game about a plumber taking on an entire Empire and winning. Are we seriously questioning this?
10:40
*Ponyta, Vaporeon, Poliwrath, Butterfree!*
Fiddlyfaddlybiddlybaddilydiddilydoodilyhiddilyhoodily
mr.bmc w h a t e v e r t h i s i s
*CHARMELEON*
_wartortle_
Mewtwo tentacruel AERODACTYL
I think the difference between galaxy and true sandbox mario games, is that 64/sunshine/odyssey are designed around re-using levels because it creates a sense of openness, exploration, and
eventual familiarity with the world, whereas galaxy is designed that way because it cuts down on the amount of assets needed to build a complete game.
Mother's Basement I mean, he said that in the video so there's no point in you making this comment other than you trying to portray that you're smart
no he definitely did. were you even watching?
go back to the anime vatican anime pope
HOLY SHIT IT'S *THE* PROFESSIONAL SHITBAG
Mother's Basement
This is a complete and utter lie, Galaxy and Galaxy 2 use far more assets than Odyssey simply because the Galaxy games have far more aesthetic variety than Odyssey does, and the vast majority of levels have multiple traversable surfaces that are single-use models in and off themselves due to the gravity concept, instead of just a square piece of flat land like in Odyssey.
I like Odyssey, but I'm not about to act like it didn't happen to have a super short development time because Nintendo got really lazy with the aesthetics this time around.
Seriously, while Galaxy gives us Good Egg, Honey Hive, Loopdeeloop, Flipswitch, Robot Reactor and Sweet Sweet Galaxy, and Galaxy 2 gives us Sky Station, Yoshi Star, Spin Dig, Fluffy Bluff, Flip-Swap, Rightside Down and Fiery Flotilla, Odyssey just gives us Tostarena or New Donk City in more or less the same timeframe.
Yeah, there's far more to do in the Odyssey kingdoms than in the galaxies of Galaxy and Galaxy 2, but they use more or less the same amount of assets as one or two galaxies and, while Odyssey only provides 15 distinct environments (17 worlds, but the three moon worlds all use the same assets), the two Galaxy games provde over 90 galaxies, which is an average of 45 galaxies per game, and even if you cut them by half due to their relatively smaller size (Even though most galaxies are not that much smaller than even the larget Kingdoms) there's still quite a bit more stuff going on on the Galaxy games than in Odyssey.
Odyssey is a decent game with a fair bit to its favor, I don't understand why you people feel the need to put Galaxy down in order to make yourselves feel better about your preference for Odyssey.
I'm actually very impressed with this video.
Super Mario Galaxy was one of the first video games I ever played (and I never cleared it because my parents thought I was playing too much, so they confiscated all of my *seven* video games). I was a nine-year-old whose birthday gift from a friend living on a different continent was this cool new toy to play with, OF COURSE I was going to remember it well. Star bunnies, Yoshi, the amaaaaazing music (still playing it on the piano, almost ten years later), and the sole friend I had at school who played with me for hours. (Aspergers side note: we created our own language based on the "Lah" sounds that the boo[s] make[s] and it was insanely fun.)
But even with that nostalgia wave, I can totally agree with almost everything you said. For me, Super Mario Galaxy and Pokémon X were practically the same experience. I loved it because I had no idea what I was doing, and I had to experiment. I didn't know how to use a joystick controller, I wasn't able to play around for long periods of time so I had to make the most of everything. There were days when my entire thirty-minute "Wii time" was spent listening to Gusty Garden Galaxy's music and not moving. But obviously, the more experienced players find holes and nitpicks and everything under the sun because they have expectations from, guess what, prior experience (experienced players are experienced; I know, right). I had none of that, and so I would never have come up with any of this video because it just would never have occurred to me.
You made me think, and I find that to be refreshing. Thank you.
Fellow Asperger: While I can't say I've ever created a full verbal language, I have created an alphabet. So, that's 1.5 things we have In common.
I think the best part of this video is how he actually takes time and effort to show *examples* of how the game's problems could be solved. Very well-illustrated examples as well! When he mentioned somethingsomething 30 MINUTES, i was shocked because this vid feels like half that time
Wowie wow its like sequelitus never left us, thanks Daddy
Mark Whalberg
Except the complaints here are explored and understood properly because Barry doesn't suck at video games.
Dr. Medic your username is accurate because a medic is needed for that severe burn.
I think the reason why I personally can enjoy Barry's version of sequelitus over Arin's is because he never sacrifices his arguments for jokes. Whereas, Arin tends to be purposefully over-dramatic and straight to the point because that's the character that he's created for that series and that's how he chooses to make his jokes. But that comes with the negative side effect of coming across as aggressive or it does not give him an opportunity to explain his points clearly.
When i've heard arin talk about not liking the ocarina of time sequelitis any more, I have come to think that even he dislikes this persona he's created. He said that he dislikes how in your face he was about things.
Dr. Medic Skill is completely irrelevant to performing an analysis and constructing your analysis into an argument. Honestly, what are you even talking about?
The match-on-action at 10:40 is insane Barry... this video is fantastic
Starbomb 3: ft. Barry Kramer
The NEW pokerap: Mario Galaxy edition
Spitting hot fya!!
Hey GetMadz. I really like you're animations!
newman dave thanks man!!
We miss you, Barry. It's a cold, dark world out there. I... I never got to tell you I love you.
HE BACK
2:57 The Super Mario 3D All-Stars Collection in a nutshell.
Lol yep btw POKE RAP MAIRO STYLE :)
At least they fixed the GameCube/ camera issues
Agree? Disagree? I'll be streaming Mario Galaxy on my Twitch ( www.twitch.tv/barryisstreaming ) today May 4th starting at 2pm PDT and tomorrow May 5th starting at 1pm PDT. Come on by and let me know what you think of the video! Thanks for watchingggg
EDIT: Here's the first stream! ➜ th-cam.com/video/zGsQ4InAapI/w-d-xo.html
yes barry YES. ive been waiting for how about this game for EEEEEEVER and you did mario galaxy and FINALLY someone is picking up on something ive felt about it ever since i saw the game. personally my main issue with galaxy and i very much also feel very forgettable about it, is the entire games lack of character when compared to previous 3d mario games. character is a hard thing to measure i know but i think at its core 64 and sunshine had worlds that were so distinct from each other but also reflective of something the viewer can understand and image that those levels stick with them, even older mario games had that, i think the best of which being mario 2 at highly distinct and varied world design followed closely by mario world. galaxy is a bunch of space that looks slightly different at times where you really dont know what significance any of it has to anything else other than sometimes theres an associated theme to them which rarely works with the whole "space" idea. you neither feel like a space explorer or a land visitor, but more like a plumber hopping around chunks of matter in a mostly empty world which are surprisingly full of life yet also very underwelmingly shallow.
agree it's poop.
Assuming you’re gonna put these Twitch streams on your BarryWasStreaming channel, you should annotate to them at the end of this. Or put links to them in the description.
Disagree.
Now critique Odyssey, because you can easily critique that game as well if you think about it hard enough -- I know I did :p
I agree - the unertia always got to me about this game. All of your points are spot on sar.
PS: The last minute was hilarious.
Yoooo a reference to Mark Brown. Love that guys stuff
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This video encapsulates EVERYTHING that I argued with my roommate about since I enjoyed 64 and sunshine much more than galaxy. Bless your heart for this video
That just means you like collectatons more, which is perfectly fine! doesn't mean galaxy is bad though, just it's not for you
i think the "lack of place" as you put it is an amazing aspect because half of enjoying the game is just appreciating the visuals and the sort of whimsical swept off your feet sort of feel. youre being taken on the adventure and you have little control over it. it feels like a real experience where youre sort of at the mercy of whatever the game experience throws at you next. youre more of a helpless person just along for the ride as you enjoy the creative beauty of all the map designs in this crazy space-universe experience. theres an overabundance of new mechanics and powerups that help add depth to this large universe and it makes it feel diverse and less like something you end up familiar with. the lack of familiarity really makes this game as opposed to breaking it. its a real journey, because in a real journey, there is no consistency, theres some really easy moments, and some really hard ones, some really exciting moments, and some boring ones. you never really know whats going to happen or how youre going to hold up against it.
I've gotta respectfully disagree, Barry, but I love your insight! It's fascinating to see how others approach and categorize the same traits of a game like this. Super Mario Galaxy is still my all-time favorite title, so I'm clearly biased. ;) The fact that the game would constantly introduce new mechanics and drop them 10 minutes later made me feel like it was brimming with content, and that the whole game was a giant playground with hundreds of toys. One of my favorite aspects of SMG.
Regarding your point at 14:50, I guess I don't see the benefit of the cohesion that you're advocating for. It doesn't really matter to me in the slightest if each star is related to each other in theme/aesthetic as long as each level is fun. Would love to have other opinions on this, though!
Finally, I much prefer Galaxy's gameplay to Mario 64 or Sunshine _because_ of its linearity. I'd argue that your points #1 and #4 are the same - and I prefer this hybrid course clear/exploration because it gives you the freedom to run around little sandbox environments, but it never feels aimless - there is always a clear direction of progress to look forward to once you've had your fill of picking off enemies and looking for secrets. However, I have to acknowledge this is _super_ objective. I _prefer_ games which have a more linear structure because I want to be given a clear goal and properly execute to reach that goal - but typical course-clear Mario games don't give you that sense of micro-exploration that Galaxy nails. All that is to say, different strokes! Thanks for a great commentary.
Nintendrew
I think I'm gonna have to disagree with your disagreement.
The linearity/open-world hybrid that you like in Galaxy feels more like a chore to me, not unlike how Arin feels about Ocarina of time: I know that where I'm supposed to go exists on a different planet, but I'm not allowed to get there unless I do something that I don't really care about because it's not the goal. Add to the fact that the planet of the objective I don't care about involves me finding said objective or getting a thing that's the key to the twice-told objective because it's a semi-sandbox, and it ends up being not fun. Maybe not boring, but definitely not fun to me.
Nintendrew subjective
Never read a longer version of "Due to my taste I can overlook the clear contradictions in this piece of media"
Battleschnodder Exactly. Like I get it you love boring linear stuff but who cares about reading your long opinion
I cared. If you don't care, you don't have to read it, neither do you have to comment...
Hoooooooly shit. This much have taken forever to edit. Loved it! Thanks mr B! :D
Oh my gosh he really knows what he is doing in this level breakdown and respectful criticism. I am very impressed with your skills. Props to you dude
Imo super mario 3d world did the linear clear course with sandbox elements perfectly. There's secrets to figure out and you might go to a completely new part of the game,and that's encouraged with green stars but it's not necessary to collect them all and you still have to clear a challenging course anyway. What an underappreciated gem.
Well damn, a half hour video. Hopefully this will shut up anyone who complains about the 4 month wait. You're beautiful Barry.
I'm glad that this analysis was mostly like calm, caring criticism to genuinely get the ideas through and then saved the rant-y anger for the tail end. While the rage may be fine sprinkled throughout something like a Let's Play because that's just emotional reaction in the moment, here it's more structured and doesn't turn me off from looking at this criticism with an open-mind (this is the first time I've heard anyone call Mario Galaxy bad). And then the rage at the end works on a comedic level of juxtaposing the majority of the video by breaking the flow and subvert the expectations of the audience.
This is nearly my exact thoughts on Galaxy. I thought no one else felt like this about this game, so this feels weirdly nice.
I like you. I always link this video to people who just blindly praise Galaxy non stop. I guess I like them and definitely prefer 2 but at first I was just waiting for it to get to the good bit but after a few world's in, yes I started with 2 shut up, it kinda never came and just left me like 'okay, it was fun for sure but why is it apparently so perfect'. I just never got that feeling of 'WOW THIS IS AMAZING!' It was always 'wow, that was neat yet kinda pointless. At least it looked and sounded nice's.
There's just no real urgency yet no real reason to actually explore either. No way to really optimize or strategize a run of a level. It's just a whole lot of surface level thrills and nothing much more.
@@joshwillcox7141 because you’re looking for the gameplay which is why you prefer galaxy 2 which relies heavily on it’s level design and fun. People who look between the lines like galaxy, due to it’s nice, slipped in story that people theorise about. Plus, soundtrack and gameplay which is pretty cool. I’d suggest searching up “the quiet sadness of Mario galaxy” which details why people like the more emotional side and view it as superior
@@avocadeous I already have and love their take on it. I do like the beginning to galaxy but it as a product just doesn't play to it's strengths because it doesn't really have any. Letting the player dictate where they go next and explore to would give the space setting and the camera controls a new sense of purpose. Allowing the player to look to the distance and plot a course to get to somewhere cool and interesting would make me feel the space setting wasn't wasted. And then the randomness would genuinely feel intriguing and rewarding rather than a little pointless.
Both games frel like a guided tour where it's intent is to elicit that "wow" feeling then drop the idea to move on to something completely different different without letting anything really sink in to much. Rather than you end up feeling accomplished due to your own direction and puzzle solving skills to explore the galaxy instead.
That's why I left each game feeling impressed for sure yet barley satisfied.
@@joshwillcox7141 ah alright. Well what I said before was the main reason I quite like SMG and I think that’s why too?
On a side note, it is refreshing to see people like you who actually are pretty chill about having a different opinion. The internet needs more dudes like you
@@avocadeous aww thanks. We do need to learn how to be civil when having a difference of opinion and taste. Sure, Sunshine is my favorite but if you like variety and less gimmicks from a Mario then you wouldn't really like it. I like multipurpose tools and interconnected levels. Rather then a ton of fun yet surface level ideas for each level.
I get what you're saying, but I'm slightly in love with how unused and experimental the games properly feel. Sure, it's sad that cheep cheeps only appear as an enemy in one level, but then it makes playing that level much more fun, and helps it stand out. I guess I'm more in love with how much of an unexplored, blank canvas it feels like. New levels mean new environments, enemies, objectives, gauntlets, and each one feels unique and exciting. The secrets help fill out the same levels with new things, and I just adore Mario Galaxy and all of it's charm.
I'm currently 16 minutes into this fantastic video and the sidebar joke sprang up. That single-handedly shows me (along with every previous thing you have done, that you genuinely care about your videos. Barry I'm gobsmacked at the passion and quality put into this videos every single meticulous detail is catered for and I'm extremely impressed. I know a video is insanely brilliant when I have to stop watching to write a comment and not only have you changed my views on galaxy (I've beaten it twice 100% before anyone pipes up as both Mario and Luigi (121)) but on game design and how content should be as a whole. I really hope this video trends and you get more subs because in a drought of fornite players and lazy money hogs people like YOU can make this platform as wonderful as it used to be for me. Thank you Barry Kramer.
Ehh... no I can't, so umm.. Bye Bye
@THE GREAT JIMBO THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THIS. Really I just feel super let down whenever someone ends a sentence after not closing their parentheses.
When I saw the title I was like "Pffft, is that even a question? of course it's a good mario game!"
But you are super correct in everything you said. I still stand by that it's a great mario game, but it could be way better. WAY better. The things you said at the end really got me excited if that were the new Galaxy game coming out. I wholeheartedly agree with you! And since Nintendo has done basically everything right lately, and with a new president for Nintendo, let's hope Super Mario Galaxy 3 is more like what you suggested!
Is mario galaxy 3 confirmed?
I main-ly play Hanzo Nah but a man can hope.
Jelmerlicious A man can dream
I main-ly play Hanzo Eh, I feel like Nintendo themselves are done with Galaxy. With the release of Odyssey, and how Nintendo themselves don't consider Galaxy in the same group as 64 and Sunshine, they'd probably be going backwards if they went to Galaxy.
Jelmerlicious Super Mario Galaxy doesn't need anything else to make it better. It's already "THE" best and most fun Mario game overall. Hell, it's what got me into Mario in the first place compared to Oddesy which was okay but I found it not as exciting as Galaxy was.
9:00
Wait, Sonic taught Mario how to do the homing attack?! Back in Mario Galaxy?!
I just realized after watching this video in 2020 that Barry basically wanted Galaxy to be more like Outer Wilds. His descriptions of the cool things that could be done with the concepts are explored beautifully in that game.
Say whatever you want about the game, but you cannot deny this is an amazingly made video. The editing is on point (as we should expect from Barry), the ideas are solid and Barry isn't just forcing opinion down our throats, and it's not dumb because most of TH-cam nowadays is.
to be fair a good amount of this is him nitpicking or saying what he would prefer
@@jaydenc367 *good
He should have put this at the start of the video though:
th-cam.com/video/4JK9f4S-mO0/w-d-xo.html
@@jaydenc367 right!? Surprised more people aren't saying this.
@@jaydenc367eh i disagree i think his arguments say a lot ahout the game
I read the title and thought: well, of course he’s talking about it being good. But i was very surprised to hear you had the other viewpoint and even more surprised that i agreed with all of it from start to end
Honestly, apart from him not liking the game (because despite its many flaws I love the game to death) I agreed with everything he said.
(except his ideas involving launch stars allowing you to fly. Maybe Captain Toad being able to fly you to certain planets on the toad brigade ship?)
It's a little overated but I still absolutely love it.
The Orchestral score, the controls, the scenery, platforming, and in game graphics and cutscenes are really good.
But thats my opinion.
Man could you imagine if Barry worked for Nintendo as a consultant or something? These ideas are so good, and it makes me want to play the game he describes.
You summed up everything teenage me couldn't quite put my finger on. While everyone else was praising both games, I simply couldn't finish them. I tried and I wasn't (what I was otherwise entirely capable of doing) trying to be edgy or controversial, I was legitimately disappointed and didn't know why exactly. As a teen with no money, depending mostly on games as gifts, it was rare of me to simply not finish a game that wasn't too difficult. It felt like a game for the most extreme cases of ADHD, literally shooting you around and offering you instant gratification, but never really challenging you or rewarding you. I wanted to like these games, I saw the potential, and just like you said, the sandboxier-looking areas had my hopes up, but then that all fell flat. I'm glad Nintendo finally "gets it" and has the technology to push true sandbox games out, or at least it's getting better. I'd love you to look at Breath of the Wild next, because there's no doubt it was a good game, but it had a lot of faults. It was first the most exciting game I played in a long time, and then gradually duller and duller as it gave me nothing new.
Duncan Sullivan I had the exact same experience as you. Legit thought I was going crazy because I would play Galaxy for 30 minutes and get bored every time. I still never finished it. 64, sunshine, and odyssey are my favorite games ever but galaxy fell flat to me. And I want to love it, I really do. But something about it just doesn’t grab me like the other ones.
@@jdk67 Perhaps you just don't really like linear games that much?
Daniel J I think you are right. Don’t get me wrong, I liked Galaxy I just didn’t enjoy it as much as the rest of the 3D Mario games. The lack of open world exploration kinda bummed me out. Also the motion controls hold it back in my opinion. I hate wagging the Wiimote! Never was a fan of motion controls. It’s still a great game though and I see why people love it so much.
Its interesting looking through the comments and seeing the different types of players and perspectives.
I think that this isn't a right or wrong situation as far as "is the game good".
Instead some of us like myself enjoy things more how, in this case, Barry would have liked the game to be.
While many people, in this case the majority it seems, would disagree and enjoy the game how it is. (Along with a sprinkle of people in between)
I don't think anyone will ever make a game that is truly unanimously declared as good, and more importantly, that is okay because of how different each of us is.
As a side note though, I believe deconstructing games like this is extremely important for making design improvements and figuring out how to make various aspects work better for all preferences.
It's definitely not only nostalgia that makes the levels in a 3D mario memorable, I can vividly remember a lot of the details of Cap Kingdom just as well as Bob-Omb Battlefield.
there's something about that petty real at the end that feels so good
going from a professional tone with your boss to shooting the shit with your friends, nice
While I do agree with you on a lot of this stuff, I just love galaxy because of the aesthetic to it, the music, the art style, and it just makes me happy.
i think the main reason i loved it was because of rosalina's story, its one of the only times in a mario game where they tried to tell a half compelling narative
I think that issue 3 is actually the main reason why people have such fond memories of Galaxy. When you're playing it casually and not paying attention to the game design, it comes of more as the game having lots of new and interesting ideas every few minutes without staying on one long enough to get boring.
I agree with pretty much every point made here. I recently got %100 on Galaxy, meaning I had to do another full play through with Luigi Galaxy. I didn’t have nearly as good of a time as I did when I first got the game.
More than 3 years later, and this video is still great. I REALLY love the idea of being able to have actual flight at all times. My personal idea would be that warp stars give you flight and you have to personally fly to other warp stars. I say "other warp stars" because for obstacle courses to be freely accessible, you'd need to prevent the play from just...choosing point B. It could also be a mix, with more open areas being more freely accessed (you can pick any point), but more obstacle-oriented places being not-so-freely accessed. Either method words, frankly.
You do bring up great points. Mario Galaxy could have potentially not only retained its quirky mechanics, but even been a de-facto Odyssey or 64-style game...with all the stuff we love about the game we got. And that just sounds amazing.
I'd also like to take back what I said about remembering stuff like 64s level design more than Galaxy's.
...We remember 64 more because: 1. Whether we realize it or not, it's incredibly prominent just outside of actually playing the game. Mario parodies, Mario machinimas, fucking SMG4 getting a shit ton of views, etc. But... 2. You had to replay these levels AT LEAST 7 different times. That's a lot of times to get very comfy with these levels where you can get a front view of most of the level half the time. That's not including if you die and get kicked out.
So with those 2 points in mind, that's one reason that Sunshine or 64 can be more easily remembered. Because you could always get to a point where you have *in image of the entire level right in front of you.* And you had that far more than in Galaxy.
So what we can all take from this is, “THAT ISN’T HOW REFLECTIONS WORK!”
Barry is a smart boy.
This was a smart viedeo.
I feel smarter now.
Thx smart boy Barry.
10:40 My favorite rap ever
Throwing Koopa shells
Swimming Koopa shells
Ice skating
Bomb Boos
Pulls stars
Gravity switches
Homing bullet bills
Flip switches
Music notes
Whatever this is (spinning)
Surfing
Blowing
Flinging
Shrinking
Rolling
Flying
Blasting
Smacking
Came here after Game Grump's Super Mario Galaxy 2 part 11
While this game may have all of these issue, it’s still super fun.
Also it and it’s sequel have 100% the BEST music of any of the mario games.
Will Phillips Agreed!
Davis Darvill
smg soundtrack > Odyssey soundtrack
IMO
Will Phillips Mario galaxy crushes oddysey music vise
I like Undertale's music, but I dont have the patience for such slow movement through an overworld. Granted, Undertale is more about its themes and such, but regardless, both Undertale and Earthbound are a slog to traverse through.
Its sad too, i'd probably really like Earthbound if it just had a bit more momentium. And although I like Yume Nikki (which shares a lot of what made Earthbounr great), at least I can use the bike for the entire game if I want.
Soundtrack is p good not going to lie.
I was once sick for like a month straight, so sick I didn't even watch TV or anything cause it hurt, but when I started to get a little better I would just listen to the underwater and above water themes from Beach Bowl Galaxy.
100% Agree with this. Galaxy is great but I can barely remember ANYTHING about it.I mostly remember level aesthetics, not really Star locations or objectives. I had chalked this up to my being a little older when I played this game when it came out, but I remember Odyssey FAR more, and I think it's due to its more sandbox type design, which, while more open world than the previous games, still is easier to stick with you.
Awesome video Barry. Can I stay in your house?
Charriii5 That’s not really fair.
Odyssey is the most recent game, and Galaxy came out 10+ years ago. Of course Odyssey will be more memorable.
But I agree. Cappy is more memorable than Luma. Then again, Galaxy introduced Rosalina.
Charriii5 not remembering something is not a potentially bad thing.
The reason you remember Mario Oddysey more is very simple. The locations are visually interesting and not the same random floating shapes floating in the sky/space again and again.
That's because it has more galaxies, not because of the quality. 64 had lile 15, and sunshine even less. Of couese you won't remember the galaxies when there's so many of there
@@geostar1610 did you even play the game? Every galaxy has a different aesthetic
If you're looking for a true hybrid of sandbox exploration and course clear Mario, play Bowser's Fury. It mixes the two gameplay styles seemlessly, and it's just really fun to play.
Thank you for the suggestion.
That was an excellent review/insight, and I loved the Mario “letsa go!”!
So glad you got to keep this series going. Can’t wait to see you do more!!
SuperGaming Dude hey it's the fwob dude
Why are you everywhere lol
The fabled Barry video... it does exist!
Years later this video still holds up extremely well
I found you through the Kingdom Hearts summary videos, & I absolutely love your sense of humor & how you explain things. I hate being so late to the party
I’m not a huge Mario fan, but you make this video fun anyway & bring up good points even I can recognize while only playing one game & watching play throughs of others
cant wait for next years video
He's just following the Jontron method.
Flippin Finally the house isnt empty anymore, probably makes it a lot less awkward now when you have people over for dinner
So like...this is one of those really, really weird videos on the internet that is *actually valid discussion of ideas* instead of just some dude angrily spewing his opinion as fact. It's...relaxing to listen to you talk about stuff, Barry. Because...I disagree with you wholeheartedly, yet I can understand where you're coming from. It's clear that these are *your* feelings on the game, and you agree they may not be reflective of other peoples' experiences. That's what we need more of!
Playing Galaxy for the first time in All Stars, and have almost beaten it.
I like it. It's fun... but it's not the best game ever like most people make out. You mention most of the issues I have with it, and it's glad to hear it's not just me.
I still want to play Galaxy 2 and I'll still replay it in the future, but it's probably my least fave 3D Mario game out of the ones I've played (all except 3D land and Galaxy 2).
Great video.
i loved Gallaxy 2 more than the first bc how much more it focued on gameplay, i personally prefer the linear design
The editing, structure of the review and the art thrown into the video are all pronominal! I can understand why this took so long to finish. Good work Barry.
Damn Barry, absolutely killing it with this series. Can't wait to see more!
I dead ass always fell asleep to this every time I played this video and this is the first time I powered through and watched everything. Barry, I do indeed love the sound of your voice, it relaxes me to no end. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m tired and want to take a nap so I’m gonna replay the video now.
this is my fourth time watching this vid. i think you make great points and it's interesting to hear criticisms on the game. also your voice is very chill/calming until you suddenly shout, which woke me up for my work shift lol so thank you
Galaxy 1 to me is a mesh between the sandbox style and the course clear ones. It’s not as explorative but that’s just a side-effect of the planetoids. Unlike you, I do find it immersive, think it has great level design, and think it belongs in the 64 line. I had the same response to Galaxy 2 that you did to Galaxy 1. I enjoyed every moment of it but it wasn’t very immersive or memorable to me. It’s so much more linear and feels like a level pack to me.
So, are you taking up the mantle for Sequelitis, Barry? Hope you keep these going, this is all very important and necessary criticism for game designers. Personally, I didn't play Galaxy long enough to experience these flaws... I couldn't take the constant upside down inverted gravity nonsense or the Remote/Nunchuk control scheme (frankly, I thought they were wretched controls for every key Nintendo franchise). This was also that whole time period of Nintendo making 1-Up's completely meaningless across the board for Mario games. To say that New Super Mario Bros. 2 on the 3DS was liberal with extra lives is an understatement, it was flat out insulting.
He didn't keep it going...
Served Fresh Games to be fair, this is a 34 minute long episode with heavy editing. He could just be working on the next one
He really took up the mantle, with this delay
blah blah blah
the controlls never bothered me and to me added to the game's charm
You bring up a lot of excellent points here!
I'll say that the intros to the levels are more or less serving as the incentive to move forward, as they showcase a specific part of the level you'll explore, without giving away too much of the experience leading up to that. For example, typical boss fights aren't normally noticeable in a blind playthrough, as there's little indication of there being a boss at the end besides a shine effect to pinpoint the end of the level; they can come as a surprise.
As for the garbage game? Yeah, that can go burn in the fiery pits of hell. As can Spring Mario's controls.
Speaking of power-ups, I agree that they're underutilized, which is a shame. A lot of neat ideas that could've had more use just... wasted.
Some would argue that placing someone in an unfamilar situation can help with the immersion, as planets should logically have different atmospheres about them and "inhabitants" if we wanna take enemy placement as an example.
I won't argue that there does seem to be a good amount of missed oppurtunity in terms of creative ideas, but what it has is still an incredibly solid game for me. A good, enjoyable experience with Rosalina and the Lumas, a rockin' orchestral theme for practically every piece, and some of the more unique bosses in the series that played on the full capabilities and functionality of the Spin Attack, as well as some utilising Ground Pounds or a special mechanic thematic to the level for taking a boss down.
Galaxy 2 did even more to add to the experience, albeit with a less memorable cast (although what we got was still good). Oh, and the intro wasn't as great as Galaxy's, but that's also okay.
It's been so long and I know that these videos take ages to make, but we need more of this series my man! It's like Sequelitis but possibly even better explained! And I lllllooooved that short rap at 10:40
"... Whatever this is"
Thank GOD someone had the courage to say whats wrong with Galaxy without the fear of being crucified
Good old echo chamber.
Philip OnBread doesn't mean he's objectively right, while I agree with most of its point, I don't think that makes Mario galaxy a bad game, just a different game. Proof is he managed to love it during his first run. Rules are made to be broke and mario galaxy broke some rules while still managing to be fun for most players, I really don't think that makes it a bad Mario game, but hey, what do I know
Serponge Geometry Dash Breaking rules and tropes can be great for gaming and for a genre. But I wouldn't say Galaxy broke any rules, actually the opposite, they tried to follow too many rules. They applied rules from two different styles of games and they just clashed poorly. Still quite a fun game at times, but in my opinion it causes it to be the weakest 3d Mario.
@Zer0dog
What's the point of commenting that this 35 min video is a mediocre critique if you're not gonna back up your claim?
Zer0dog, no one ever claimed otherwise. What he's offering here is organization and presentation. You almost make it sound like he put no effort into this.
I love that the "sidebar" involved various drinks haha
oh my god this is so good barry this is literally "HE PUT IT INTO WORDS!!!" but for games
Great video! you made great points still one of my favorite games of all time but when you made your points I never even thought of it before
YES BARRY
YESS CONNERRRRRRR
CONNNNEEERR????!!!
All of your solutions for making hypothetical Mario Galaxy 3 a better game have already been answered my friend. Look no further than Rouge's Mad Space level from Sonic Adventure 2:
- She can glide to any planet (distance based meaning she has to land at some point)- What you do on one planet can affect another planet.- It's non-linear as heck; you go to any planet in any which order- There are valuable secrets and collectables that are hidden from direct view thus encouraging player exploration
And good lord I hate it so much :)
Oh god that level and Knuckle's level both suck ass.
Is it because the concept itself is "bad" though and should be tossed aside or because it was executed extremely poorly?
The concept of it was great, the programming of the level sucked. Plus the gimped Emerald radar ruined any sense of exploration because you're forced to look for 1 at a time, which made the huge size of the level more frustrating than exciting.
well the fact that gravity was broken cause it was made in 1999 didn't help. if the adventure games got true remasters it could be an amazing level
yeah. they should have done it like adventure one where any of the three would blink if you got close. but adventure two wanted the hint boxes. can't do that if all of them are active
These ideas you have make me really wish Galaxy 3 will happen. It could be so good and add to the already-stunning visual effects. I literally got starry eyes hearing freezeflame galaxy reimagined.
It's interesting to hear your commentary, especially since I haven't heard many opinions on this game outside of my own. You make a lot of good points on how it could be improved. I'll always love this game, but with a few changes it could have been even better.
I came in prepared to fight to the death over this game but you know what? I'm convinced. Probably helps that the Galaxy games are the only 3D Marios I haven't played in years. This is a great framework to present an unpopular opinion. You give GREAT reasons for everything and always present an example. I'm seeing a lot of people saying this is similar to Sequelitis, but in arin's videos half of his points were "I don't like it".
Even though I disagreed with a lot of what Barry said, he did have me thinking back to my personal experiences with the game because Barry's points were valid and did a great job of making me understand his perspective. Not so with Arin's sequelitis as his points really did just boil down to "I didn't like this mechanic or I'm simply not good enough at the game." I remember in particular was his point about z-targeting in Ocarina of Time and how it cause combat to be a waiting game but that's because he relied on mostly his sword and didn't experiment with the other tools the game gives you to fight enemies. You don't have to wait for an enemy to show you his weak spot if you stun him with a Deku nut first
OOT's Sequel Itis episode is hilarious!. Why? Cause he complains that Castlevania 4 is a game completely designed around using all the weapons in the game but then made the whip too good. As in he likes cleverly used tools to get around problems easier than just spamming you main weapon.
Then in his Ocarina of Time sequelitis he immedietly complains that he cannot get through the game the most efficient way by spamming his basic attack.
And doesn't even fucking consider his gigantic number of weapons and tools that its directly meant to combat the shit he's complaining about. Which he complained on another game for not doing.
You have solid points, but super mario galaxy will always be one of my favorite games
I had to watch this again because there were so many good points! I love these videos!!
I watch this video every few months, its so well constructed.
The ending to this game is probably the most intriguing ending of any Mario game.
i absolutely disagreed with this from start to end
good video barry
Wrong! BAD VIDEO BARRY!
i mean everyone is entitled to their WRONG opinion
Barry ruined GameGrumps!
The most offensive name ever
I disagree because you disagree and you seem cool so now I'm cool 👌😎 👍
This reminds me a lot of Sequelitis. I love it!
here after arin talked about this topic
Link?
Not even five minutes in and I'm already saying to myself "damn, he's right." Still watching, but so far, I'm intrigued...
EDIT: Yeah, I see it now. I'm honestly thinking the developers perceived it as one game while trying to infuse elements of past games which... apparently, doesn't coincide. Nice perspective... clearly they should have pulled inspiration from Knack 2.
Excuse me, but knack 1’s perfect platforming and progressive story is clearly superior to knack 2
Any game that isn't Super Mario Bros 2 is utter trash
Zer0dog he did make meaningful points. You're just in denial
He did make meaningful points, you just don't care enough. This IS more subjective than objective after all.
Nah, they should’ve pulled more inspiration from SUPA MARIO BROTHAS TWO BABY!
I’m so glad this series exists. It’s so refreshing to hear an honesty and concise conversation about game design
this video hasn't made me stop adoring this game, but you made some good points that i hadn't thought about before. good job
I love your opinion, I've always questioned why I felt shitty about fully completing it, but you've fully put it in words
That moment when the person you already considered as essentially the best guy ever makes you realize you were underestimating them... I came here to have a good time, not to get my mind blown. Like what the heck man.
But seriously, amazing video, impressive editing, baller script. I'm kind of at a loss for words here.
Shave!
Barry's back!
But seriously I love these videos XD
Thanks for putting into words what I never could 13 years ago. I just didn‘t care for Galaxy.
I‘m currently making my way through Sunshine on Switch and want to revisit Galaxy again (this time with proper controls). Thanks to your video I‘m prepared for what I can expect.
you made some really good points, and now I see the issues more in-depth, I love sunshine, and galaxy to death but both games have always frustrated me (I would end up leaving for months and then playing it again just to get stuck at a level and take another break) but it that's just me, idk sunshine was always hard to beat but anyways, I love the different worlds and the variety in galaxy, I remember mainly playing beach bowl galaxy and that bee one because it was the most fun for me to explore, but other than those level I don't remember a lot, only a handful of levels I remember from playing a lot and trying to beat those dang clone race levels. But besides having trouble beating some levels I still love it. though I do like that you could just leave and go do stuff in another galaxy and find more stars rather than having to retry the same level to progress (another reason why I always took a break from sunshine)