In all seriousness and sincerity this was my favorite episode of yes or no. You both have great friendly banter and discussions. I think you two should do a sit down once a month to just talk about what ever over a good drink and a good cigar. I'd love to listen to that!
Appreciate every DW host but if I had to choose I'd take Walsh over Klavan (espeically since Klavan is just weekly now) Still though when I watch Knowles and Walsh interact it sort of feels like two brothers who are trying to keep up appearances while they talk to each other, because one of them has a new girlfriend who's around or something, and they're going out of their way to make a good impression. Even if there is some genuine appreciation for each other, everyone involved knows that they're very aware that they're being watched, and behaving accordingly. (still think the Knowles Walsh collaborations are good though) I can't state any facts about any of these men who I've never personally met, but to me the FEELING I get when Klavan is here, is that these two actually care for each other.
Metal is one of the last bastions of technical musicality. If Michael were to hear some melodic metal sans vox, he would definitely appreciate it. Probably Klavan too.
I will forever defend hard rock and metal, especially in the modern era of music because if you have the ear to listen to the intricacies of the music, it’s really quite delicately woven. True, its lyrics and rhythms rely almost solely on raw emotion, but there is value to that. I flat out reject the notion that there are no melodies or harmonies. The label of “the devil’s music” is certainly untrue, for I would argue today’s pop music is much more satanic than metal ever has been. With few exceptions, hard rock/metal concerts are about the togetherness of music and simply enjoying music.
Plus a lot of metal is openly (or closeted) Christian. Listen closely to Linkin Park lyrics, for example, (And don’t make fun of me for calling Linkin Park metal, they are the closest to secular metal I listen to, I mostly listen to Skillet and Thousand Foot Krutch and stuff)
Metal bands use to use satanic imagery and themes as a shock factor and for marketing within the fan base. And even then it was more obscured, making the band mysterious thus interesting. As for today's pop music... I. Don't. Know. Honestly. Like, it is sooo overt and in your face, yet somehow more creepy. There is no logical sense I can make of it. Except, if they literally sold their soul to Satan, or at least genuinely believe that they have. I don't know, it's weird.
Modern metal, atleast what I have heard is extremely sophisticated musically and lyrically can be the most interesting, profound, and often truth telling.
My Mum, a British war bride, married my Anglican Dad. Not sure where it came from but she, raised Catholic, always said Anglicanism was just Catholic with 30% less guilt.
This was great! I loved all of it, but disagreed thoroughly on the metal music conclusion. At least Andrew suggested he just didn’t know what he didn’t know. Metal is a broader musical genre than most, with some closer to “rock” and some much closer to differently-instrumented classical music. The latter is extremely complex and rich musically, highly ordered, more so than essentially any music written today. But i wouldn’t expect people to know that if they aren’t aficionados. It doesn’t have to be for everybody
THIS. When you really get down to it, the ultimate Founding Father of Metal...was Bach. Just listen to Tocatta And Fugue In D Minor, aka the quintessential Halloween music piece!
Absolutely what I was thinking, and isn't music about connecting with and celebrating your thoughts and emotions. If he doesn't think there is poetry in metal, might I suggest listening to "Snuff" by Slipknot. If he doesn't think there ar beautiful melodies, might I suggest listening to the Black album by Metallica. C'mon Michael do better.
@@Rattlehead-gy9ct That's interesting. I've heard a few things about Megadeth just recently that have suggested to me that they're probably worth a listen. They're a bit before my time and so I never really got around to them, but I think it's now time that I do that.
No Melody or harmony in metal music? Tell me you have no idea what you’re talking about without telling me you have no idea what you were talking about.
Love these videos Michael! You guys are a blast to listen to! I must disagree on your opinion of metal music though. There is such beauty and passion in metal music and even incredible melody and depth of lyrics. It can be jarring at first but once you are able to get over the initial shock of the screaming vocals or high gain guitars, there is truly some incredible music to listen to. Some of the most brutal music has almost brought me to tears with the emotion conveyed and also I have smiled as I listened to other stuff with truly original artistry with some of the more progressive metal which takes a lot of inspiration from jazz with odd time signatures and unconventional chord progressions and instruments. Michael you seem to have an open mind about many things I'd love you to be able to get to the point where you can enjoy metal music and see the value in expression and art that it does!
They're right about some metalcore/new age metal, but just like everything, it's more nuenanced than a gross generalization. I'd bet they haven't heard any of the new metal like Dayseeker or IPrevail
While I agree with you about the beauty of metal (I've cried from some metal songs) I do still agree with Michael about the base passion thing because even the good metal would make me feel depressed if I listened to it for long enough
As a big jazz fan, the first time I heard Animals as Leaders my mind was blown. The complexity, the skill; it was insane. They got me in to metal years ago with their first album. I could see if they'd only heard hair metal and came to that conclusion, but metal is so much more sophisticated than that.
Other than the huge misconceptions and faulty comparison of metal music with other genres, this was a great episode! Metal can contain all of the musicality of any other genre, and compared to a lot of the pop that is popular today, it has more. That being said, I definitely agree that music bypasses the rational facilities. We have to be conscious of what we listen to and how it affects us.
49:40 Not all metal is screaming and beating drums. There are very beautiful and melodic genres of metal, with far more creativity and complexity than any songs from the 40's. Some branches are more akin to "classical" types of music than anything else.
This is what I came down to comment. I like how my son once told me (a musician) classical music is just metal before electricity. I feel like they are just picturing mainstream screamo and Haven't really looked into the different genres.
I teared up when Michael and Drew were talking about how amazing women are in their role of bringing forth little human beings. Nestled amidst the humour and banter, it was especially touching. These men love their wives, and they honour womanhood. They're not denigrating women by saying they shouldn't be in the work force; this is from love and respect for women & our role in the family and in society.
Exactly! I agree. I really like Knowles and Klavan but the fact that they had a conversation as if they knew anything about Metal music, was laughable.
Absolutely agree. My generation grew up on metal music, and there is a big difference between Cannibal Corpse and Norma Jean. Christian metal deserves to be acknowledged for its potential to bring people to God. Pop music is where you find satan in today’s society. Metal songs are often about honor, dignity, and considering philosophical and moral questions - metal music is rooted in celebrating complexity. It is the logical evolution of classical music. Justice for metal!
51:03 that is a terrible definition of metal music. Only specific kinds of metal remove those elements, most have it. The only thing that really describes metal well is that it’s just “harder” rock music.
Michael as a Catholic I agree with the majority of your stances. I must draw the line at the metal music comment though. I’ve been listening to metal since I was 8yrs old and I encourage you to look into some wonderful Christian metal bands such as Skillet (lead singer is a fantastic Christian advocate), Demon Hunter, August Burns Red and The Devil Wears Prada to name a few. Their lyrics, public statements and core beliefs are so profound. It is completely alright to not enjoy the genre of metal, but to say that it is inexcusable is dare I say an out of touch and ignorant statement for those of us who have sought a lot of solace in God’s word and message through this genre. Not that you will ever see my comment, but in the off chance welcome to my TED Talk and I would love nothing more than to take you on an educational journey of Christian metal.
I agree with this. I love metal music, and Christian hardcore in my teenage years really helped bring me closer to god. Passion and anger are human emotions, and Christian metal is about coming to terms with the human experience. Even Christian hip-hop exists. Christian R&B. Metal is passionate and angry. Hip-hop is prideful and violent. R&B is lecherous and lustful. Yet, with all of these qualities, great Christian bands and groups exist within all of these genres and are able to subvert the perceptions of the genre to spread the word of god. Bands like Norma Jean and Underoath allowed me to vent emotions I didn’t know what to do with, and channel those feelings into music and physical activity. Shows were about together with others, and just letting it all out in safety, consequence free.
Klavan and Knowles should listen to Rime of the Ancient Mariner by Iron Maiden for some classic poetry set to metal music. Those kind of larger-than-life themes are what metal often deals with.
I love these guys but the way Michael depicts rock and metal is so stereotypical of someone who's never actually listened to it but just wants to bash it. It's not simply percussive and the rules of music have not been stripped away from it, nor melody or harmony. I mean, these are generalised statements and there are a ridiculous number of sub genres in metal. But there are plenty examples of metal music which have major parallels with classical music and even jazz. Complex song structures, not just three chords, odd time signatures and an absolute breeding ground for guitar virtuosos. Not so dissimilar to how certain violinists are seen in classical. It makes for more interesting and less predictable music than you might hear on your typical radio station. If only people would shed their preconceived misconceptions about it.
Love both of you guys! Just have to say (as a person who in the past used to listen to metal music among other things), not all metal music is bad an un-melodical. Iron Maiden, for example, has very melodical music. They also have very complex lyrics. You may argue whether it has virtuous massaging or not, but it can be considered art.
Tool is the one that came to mind for me. Not that they could ever be categorized as pure metal, but they're somewhere in the genre. To write off an entire 55 years of music is disappointing because well, they're missing out on some great music.
@@MJLPlaysCODM I do believe when they say "metal music" they think of black metal. I'm pretty sure they don't know that there are many genres within the genre.
I love both of these guys and this segment, but they could not be more wrong about their takes on metal music, all of the greatest living and some could argue even greatest ever musicians and writers are in either classical/orchestra or in rock/metal and I will die on that hill
Correct. Metal (of the appropriate subgenres) is the closest thing we're gonna get to actual good modern classical opuses aside from the handful of really good modern movie soundtracks.
Words right outta my mouth. Totally agree. We can practically use classical terms to study it-pieces, movements, and all them-with little adjustments due to instruments
Metal music is great. So much great, sophisticated music with very complex melody and discipline and control. Metal musicians' discipline is really something. You have to be very disciplined to be tosin abasi or will ramos.
I’ll defend metal to the end lol. It’s such a broad genre now. I would definitely check out some symphonic metal bands. Within Temptation, Epica, Nightwish etc. Thank y’all as always for the awesome content! We need more Yes or No! Would love to see Dr. Jordan Peterson on!
I really enjoyed this show for the most part......You lost me when you said no to Metal music. I'm not saying all metal music is good, but there are a lot of songs that require a lot of talent to sing and play. Also there are a lot of good metal Christian bands with great music and good messages. As a disabled Vet who was contimplating suicide I was honestly saved by some of the songs I listened to that gave the message to carry on and look for the light. Honeslty if you find music you enjoy and makes you a better person thats all that really matters. I still love Michael and Andrew.
I worked until our oldest 2 children were 4 years old and almost 2 years old. I was part-time with or daughter, and my in-laws cared for her. I worked full-time after our son was born, and I wanted to be home with them the whole time. I spent the next 24 years having 4 more children and raising them. I have been working full-time for the past 3 years and miss being at home.
Best episode so far. I only have one nitpick, and that is that Michael said " The Anglican tradition will eventually join the ordinariate"; well, they have been since 2012, id est The Ordinariate of the Chair of Saint Peter.
I demand the Daily Wire have the two of them listen to Metal. Since it's the holidays they could listen to Sabaton's Christmas Truce. Five Finger Death Punch's cover of Gone Away is fantastic. Michael might actually like Imperial Heretic by Parkway Drive.
I would imagine if there's any metal Michael might enjoy, it would be OM. Kinda unrelated but I've been dipping my toe in hardcore/punk/hard rock/metal/shoegaze again (extreme metal was my jam as a teenager, my tastes have broadened and softened since then) and there's this new band "Fleshwater" that's got me really stoked about the sort of heavy music the zoomers are gonna be able to come up with. I recommend you check out their 2022 album, it's dope. Not quite metal, but something I suspect an old rocker would appreciate. "Narrow Head" is another new(ish) band in this vein I'm excited about. One thing I'll say about the zoomer bands is they tend to genre-bend quite a bit and take influence from all corners of their musical heritage. It's cool. Given the bands you're into I suspect you're close to me in age, and I'm curious if you've noticed any new fresh young bands under the broad category of "heavy music" that you find interestinf.
I love Drew but even as a protestant, I have 0 clue how anyone sticks with the Anglican church, which was founded because an English king got denied a divorce so he could produce a male heir. I get why people choose Catholicism, but Anglican makes no sense to me. That said, I love Drew :)
Well I like that England, and by extension the C of E, basically owned half the globe, and practically gave us America. Also I like reformed roots it has, and the book of common prayer is kinda cool. The divorce part isn't great I guess...
That's one of the myths of history. The English church reformation was already underway before Henry the 8th. His divorce was just used as a catalyst to split from the Pope. The English church has roots all the way back to the 2nd century in the roman empire. In many ways, it was always a distinct form of Christianity and just happened to fall into the western Catholic church. The Anglican reformers thought they were returning to that original church, more so than that they were creating something new. That's the reason why they kept many of the "Catholic" forms of worship as opposed to many of the Continental reformers.
I will defend metal music here, and recommend you listen to an instrumental titled "Orion", by Metallica. Some metal is bad and just percussive, but Metallica's 2nd, 3rd, and 4th albums all incorporated harmonies and melodies, and never praised satan or disparaged God. In fact, they have a song about Passover from the point of view of the Angel of Death. I would recommend listening to some metal before making a blanket statement.
If you were to listen to the band Theocracy, they're a great melodic metal band that is great at sophisticated techincal music. It's a Christian band and their songs are phenomenal -- their band name is explained in one of their songs as well.
Loved all of it but I gotta disagree with the music tastes at the end. To say that music and rock are bad poetry when bands like RUSH existed. Lookup "Freewill" by Rush. That's poetry of not just words. Also they were pretty generally wholesome.
47:55 This reminds me of the scene where Thursday is recruited in G.K. Chesterton's 'The Man who was Thursday'. There the point is made that all the normal criminals like thieves and murderers and so on at least do their crime for honest reasons in a way, they at least do them for human reasons, but the anarchists just want everything to perish and as such are properly called diabolic.
if you want some more complex harmony (without the silly lyrics of today), check out some snarky puppy or something like that. I'd recommend the album - we like it here :)
Please interview Michael Lofton on the state of the Church. He explains magisterium, papal infallibility, and lies about the church in a clear and concise manner.
In all seriousness and sincerity this was my favorite episode of yes or no. You both have great friendly banter and discussions. I think you two should do a sit down once a month to just talk about what ever over a good drink and a good cigar. I'd love to listen to that!
Fully agree.
Yes!! Love them both, so genuine, intelligent and entertainingly nerdy
I think you should do what I think and I would listen to that so you should do what I think
Appreciate every DW host but if I had to choose I'd take Walsh over Klavan (espeically since Klavan is just weekly now) Still though when I watch Knowles and Walsh interact it sort of feels like two brothers who are trying to keep up appearances while they talk to each other, because one of them has a new girlfriend who's around or something, and they're going out of their way to make a good impression. Even if there is some genuine appreciation for each other, everyone involved knows that they're very aware that they're being watched, and behaving accordingly. (still think the Knowles Walsh collaborations are good though)
I can't state any facts about any of these men who I've never personally met, but to me the FEELING I get when Klavan is here, is that these two actually care for each other.
Obviously
This is definitely one of the best segments on youtube. Thanks guys
Andrew’s laugh is the best! Always puts a smile on my face 😇✨🥰
Whoever wrote those questions deserves a raise
Thanks
Especially the Michelle Obama one😂
Knowles and Klavan drinking together is something I'm here for.
Metal is one of the last bastions of technical musicality. If Michael were to hear some melodic metal sans vox, he would definitely appreciate it. Probably Klavan too.
Agreed
I will forever defend hard rock and metal, especially in the modern era of music because if you have the ear to listen to the intricacies of the music, it’s really quite delicately woven. True, its lyrics and rhythms rely almost solely on raw emotion, but there is value to that. I flat out reject the notion that there are no melodies or harmonies.
The label of “the devil’s music” is certainly untrue, for I would argue today’s pop music is much more satanic than metal ever has been. With few exceptions, hard rock/metal concerts are about the togetherness of music and simply enjoying music.
Plus a lot of metal is openly (or closeted) Christian. Listen closely to Linkin Park lyrics, for example,
(And don’t make fun of me for calling Linkin Park metal, they are the closest to secular metal I listen to, I mostly listen to Skillet and Thousand Foot Krutch and stuff)
Metal bands use to use satanic imagery and themes as a shock factor and for marketing within the fan base. And even then it was more obscured, making the band mysterious thus interesting.
As for today's pop music... I. Don't. Know. Honestly. Like, it is sooo overt and in your face, yet somehow more creepy. There is no logical sense I can make of it. Except, if they literally sold their soul to Satan, or at least genuinely believe that they have. I don't know, it's weird.
@@Meyer-gp7nq listen to black sabbaths "after forever"
@@Meyer-gp7nq listen to black sabbaths "after forever"
And a lot of modern metal has very sophisticated and poetic lyrics.
They have great chemistry, you should do more content with the two of them together.
I love this show man! Best of the Daily Wire ( in my humble opinion ) :)
I like this show a lot, but "Backstage" has to take the cake for me :)
The stars finally aligned and Klavan is on the show!
If this episode doesn't get demonetized, I will be shocked.
My two favorite conservatives talking together for an hour!? What more could one desire in life
Modern metal, atleast what I have heard is extremely sophisticated musically and lyrically can be the most interesting, profound, and often truth telling.
agreed
My Mum, a British war bride, married my Anglican Dad. Not sure where it came from but she, raised Catholic, always said Anglicanism was just Catholic with 30% less guilt.
As a Catholic, I love this
This was great! I loved all of it, but disagreed thoroughly on the metal music conclusion. At least Andrew suggested he just didn’t know what he didn’t know. Metal is a broader musical genre than most, with some closer to “rock” and some much closer to differently-instrumented classical music. The latter is extremely complex and rich musically, highly ordered, more so than essentially any music written today. But i wouldn’t expect people to know that if they aren’t aficionados. It doesn’t have to be for everybody
THIS. When you really get down to it, the ultimate Founding Father of Metal...was Bach. Just listen to Tocatta And Fugue In D Minor, aka the quintessential Halloween music piece!
@@Hard_Boiled_Entertainment Megadeth used that as part of their first album.
I totally agree. His comments revealed an extreme degree of ignorance.
Absolutely what I was thinking, and isn't music about connecting with and celebrating your thoughts and emotions. If he doesn't think there is poetry in metal, might I suggest listening to "Snuff" by Slipknot. If he doesn't think there ar beautiful melodies, might I suggest listening to the Black album by Metallica. C'mon Michael do better.
@@Rattlehead-gy9ct That's interesting. I've heard a few things about Megadeth just recently that have suggested to me that they're probably worth a listen. They're a bit before my time and so I never really got around to them, but I think it's now time that I do that.
No Melody or harmony in metal music? Tell me you have no idea what you’re talking about without telling me you have no idea what you were talking about.
Yeah that was a god awful take 😂 and he said it takes no discipline and control, and metal is one of the most technically difficult genres
Terrible take. There are some absolutely beautiful metal songs.
Love these videos Michael! You guys are a blast to listen to! I must disagree on your opinion of metal music though. There is such beauty and passion in metal music and even incredible melody and depth of lyrics. It can be jarring at first but once you are able to get over the initial shock of the screaming vocals or high gain guitars, there is truly some incredible music to listen to. Some of the most brutal music has almost brought me to tears with the emotion conveyed and also I have smiled as I listened to other stuff with truly original artistry with some of the more progressive metal which takes a lot of inspiration from jazz with odd time signatures and unconventional chord progressions and instruments. Michael you seem to have an open mind about many things I'd love you to be able to get to the point where you can enjoy metal music and see the value in expression and art that it does!
They're right about some metalcore/new age metal, but just like everything, it's more nuenanced than a gross generalization. I'd bet they haven't heard any of the new metal like Dayseeker or IPrevail
While I agree with you about the beauty of metal (I've cried from some metal songs) I do still agree with Michael about the base passion thing because even the good metal would make me feel depressed if I listened to it for long enough
As a big jazz fan, the first time I heard Animals as Leaders my mind was blown. The complexity, the skill; it was insane. They got me in to metal years ago with their first album.
I could see if they'd only heard hair metal and came to that conclusion, but metal is so much more sophisticated than that.
Other than the huge misconceptions and faulty comparison of metal music with other genres, this was a great episode! Metal can contain all of the musicality of any other genre, and compared to a lot of the pop that is popular today, it has more.
That being said, I definitely agree that music bypasses the rational facilities. We have to be conscious of what we listen to and how it affects us.
Yessss, I've been waiting for Drew to be on this segment! He's the most underrated personality of DW.
49:40 Not all metal is screaming and beating drums. There are very beautiful and melodic genres of metal, with far more creativity and complexity than any songs from the 40's. Some branches are more akin to "classical" types of music than anything else.
This is what I came down to comment. I like how my son once told me (a musician) classical music is just metal before electricity. I feel like they are just picturing mainstream screamo and Haven't really looked into the different genres.
The home game is so much fun. It is absolute chaos to play with many people, but still a blast.
Eyyyy slap. You should use the discount to come back on DW
I had a feeling Michael would find a way to sell cigars, I kind of figured each daily wire personality would get to sell 1 signature product
Ben's got polo shirts right now lol
The creme de la creme is waiting for Michael's dating service
I teared up when Michael and Drew were talking about how amazing women are in their role of bringing forth little human beings. Nestled amidst the humour and banter, it was especially touching. These men love their wives, and they honour womanhood. They're not denigrating women by saying they shouldn't be in the work force; this is from love and respect for women & our role in the family and in society.
Metal is fine. I am a good and moral man who is doing only good things, raised on Cole Porter et al, but I love to rock out. Nothing wrong with it.
Exactly! I agree. I really like Knowles and Klavan but the fact that they had a conversation as if they knew anything about Metal music, was laughable.
now we just need Jeremy and Caleb. and all of the personalities of Morning Wire
Michael, I’m a metal musician and would love the opportunity to teach you the error in you thoughts on metal. Much love to you and the show.
I came here to say this. Michael talking about metal is the least educated or aware thing ever.
I hope someone on their team sees this and makes Michael do some Christian Metal music reactions.
Absolutely agree. My generation grew up on metal music, and there is a big difference between Cannibal Corpse and Norma Jean. Christian metal deserves to be acknowledged for its potential to bring people to God. Pop music is where you find satan in today’s society. Metal songs are often about honor, dignity, and considering philosophical and moral questions - metal music is rooted in celebrating complexity. It is the logical evolution of classical music.
Justice for metal!
Michael reading Father Brown is so cool they are great stories!!!
Just in time for my lunch break 🎉... I love Papa Klavan❤
51:03 that is a terrible definition of metal music. Only specific kinds of metal remove those elements, most have it. The only thing that really describes metal well is that it’s just “harder” rock music.
So much wisdom to be had here. One of the best episodes yet
As for the metal music, knowing the good catholic that he is, Michael should hear "The last stand" from Sabaton
That was my first thought when I heard the question.
For the grace for the might of our Lord...
Andrew Klavan peaked when he was Andy Millennial on the Michael Knowles Show.
Michael as a Catholic I agree with the majority of your stances. I must draw the line at the metal music comment though. I’ve been listening to metal since I was 8yrs old and I encourage you to look into some wonderful Christian metal bands such as Skillet (lead singer is a fantastic Christian advocate), Demon Hunter, August Burns Red and The Devil Wears Prada to name a few. Their lyrics, public statements and core beliefs are so profound. It is completely alright to not enjoy the genre of metal, but to say that it is inexcusable is dare I say an out of touch and ignorant statement for those of us who have sought a lot of solace in God’s word and message through this genre. Not that you will ever see my comment, but in the off chance welcome to my TED Talk and I would love nothing more than to take you on an educational journey of Christian metal.
I agree with this. I love metal music, and Christian hardcore in my teenage years really helped bring me closer to god. Passion and anger are human emotions, and Christian metal is about coming to terms with the human experience. Even Christian hip-hop exists. Christian R&B.
Metal is passionate and angry. Hip-hop is prideful and violent. R&B is lecherous and lustful. Yet, with all of these qualities, great Christian bands and groups exist within all of these genres and are able to subvert the perceptions of the genre to spread the word of god.
Bands like Norma Jean and Underoath allowed me to vent emotions I didn’t know what to do with, and channel those feelings into music and physical activity. Shows were about together with others, and just letting it all out in safety, consequence free.
I’m envisioning Tessa behind the camera with the Grinch smile on her face, knowing there was no good answer 🤣
Tell me you've never listened to metal without telling You've never listened to metal
Another fabulous episode. This is one of the best ones yet!!
This is the match Yes or No has been craving
I was really racking my brain on what to get my family for Arbor Day, now I know. thank you Michael.
Klavan and Knowles should listen to Rime of the Ancient Mariner by Iron Maiden for some classic poetry set to metal music. Those kind of larger-than-life themes are what metal often deals with.
I love these guys but the way Michael depicts rock and metal is so stereotypical of someone who's never actually listened to it but just wants to bash it. It's not simply percussive and the rules of music have not been stripped away from it, nor melody or harmony. I mean, these are generalised statements and there are a ridiculous number of sub genres in metal. But there are plenty examples of metal music which have major parallels with classical music and even jazz. Complex song structures, not just three chords, odd time signatures and an absolute breeding ground for guitar virtuosos. Not so dissimilar to how certain violinists are seen in classical. It makes for more interesting and less predictable music than you might hear on your typical radio station. If only people would shed their preconceived misconceptions about it.
I'm triggered 😂
Klavan: "I'm blacklisted." Knowles: "You're 'listed of colour'." 🤣
Delightfully entertaining! Thank you. Will look up Klavan’s books after this.
Klavan makes everything better.
Claiming that metal music has no discipline, control, melody or harmony is kind of wild.
its refreshing listening to people speaking their minds on different subjects even when you dont agree with them.
Love both of you guys!
Just have to say (as a person who in the past used to listen to metal music among other things), not all metal music is bad an un-melodical. Iron Maiden, for example, has very melodical music. They also have very complex lyrics. You may argue whether it has virtuous massaging or not, but it can be considered art.
Tool is the one that came to mind for me. Not that they could ever be categorized as pure metal, but they're somewhere in the genre. To write off an entire 55 years of music is disappointing because well, they're missing out on some great music.
@@screwdestiny Yes, totally agree.
Exactly. This fight against all metal music is foolish, especially because most of the people who are against it are willfully ignorant.
@@MJLPlaysCODM I do believe when they say "metal music" they think of black metal. I'm pretty sure they don't know that there are many genres within the genre.
@@kristinar.v.7287 yeah. I get why you’d oppose metal if you’ve only heard black metal. It’s really bad in my opinion.
Finally! The match I’ve been waiting for.
Such lovely friendship, wonderful to witness. I think that's the most honest episode.
Andrew is just my favorite person alive.
These are by far my favorite things Knowles, and DW for that matter, release and produce.
The Anglicans playing air guitar is so good. 😂😂 Have Trent horn on!
More of these two, please!
My two favorite hosts on DW!
I love both of these guys and this segment, but they could not be more wrong about their takes on metal music, all of the greatest living and some could argue even greatest ever musicians and writers are in either classical/orchestra or in rock/metal and I will die on that hill
*BASED*
Also, what about symphonic metal? Even more musically talented👌
Correct. Metal (of the appropriate subgenres) is the closest thing we're gonna get to actual good modern classical opuses aside from the handful of really good modern movie soundtracks.
Words right outta my mouth. Totally agree. We can practically use classical terms to study it-pieces, movements, and all them-with little adjustments due to instruments
"You can lose this game? Is somebody keeping score?"
Hahahahaha!
Metal music is great. So much great, sophisticated music with very complex melody and discipline and control. Metal musicians' discipline is really something. You have to be very disciplined to be tosin abasi or will ramos.
So thrilled to see so many people recommending Sabaton.
We need to see Jordan B. Peterson on Yes or No. Great episode, keep it up.
Wow, the last bit about Rock music is like...Tell us you know nothing about Metal and Rock'n'roll, without it being obvious.
Seriously. This was the worst take. 🙄 I love both of these guys, but this was not it. lol
This really made me laugh out loud. My favorite episode so far! Please put these two together more often!
What will it take to get Alex Jones on this show?😂
Shapiro doesn't like Alex Jones, so I'd say it's not happening.
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Shapiro doesn’t like Knowles opinions about Israel either so who knows
@@bennyv4444 actually, Shapiro doesn't really like Knowles.
@@sapientia178 You do realize that's just a running gag, right?
@@PhilosophicallyAmerican I'm stupid and so I'm don't. Thank God I have someone as intelligent as you to illuminate me.
Michael is the biggest ham when hamming it up with Good Ranchers.
Wish all humans were intelligent, funny,sarcastic and respectful like these 2 Gentleman's..
Great chilling 👌🏼
LOLed at the Genucel add just after you guys talked about it. I see what you did there 😂
Listenimg to them talking about metal music is the most boomer thing I've ever witnessed. 😀
I’ll defend metal to the end lol. It’s such a broad genre now.
I would definitely check out some symphonic metal bands. Within Temptation, Epica, Nightwish etc.
Thank y’all as always for the awesome content! We need more Yes or No! Would love to see Dr. Jordan Peterson on!
46:33
He is a genuine person
I really enjoyed this show for the most part......You lost me when you said no to Metal music. I'm not saying all metal music is good, but there are a lot of songs that require a lot of talent to sing and play. Also there are a lot of good metal Christian bands with great music and good messages. As a disabled Vet who was contimplating suicide I was honestly saved by some of the songs I listened to that gave the message to carry on and look for the light. Honeslty if you find music you enjoy and makes you a better person thats all that really matters. I still love Michael and Andrew.
Hilarious! Two big brains getting together always equals entertainment.
One of the best episodes ever! 👍👍👍
Drew Klavan has the most infectious laugh among all podcasters, bar none. I've been watching and listening to his shows for the past 4 years.
I laughed the most in this episode of YES or NO! Keep up the good work!
I’ve been waiting for this conversation since 2020. Always good to see the K-Father, of no relation to young Spencer Klavan.
Micheal floundering around with the Tessa and Genucel debacle was my favorite arc
51:57 is an amazing answer from Catholics to Protestants who ask about all the tumult in the Church!
I worked until our oldest 2 children were 4 years old and almost 2 years old. I was part-time with or daughter, and my in-laws cared for her. I worked full-time after our son was born, and I wanted to be home with them the whole time. I spent the next 24 years having 4 more children and raising them. I have been working full-time for the past 3 years and miss being at home.
27:55 “it’s our pale imitation of what they’re doing.” that actually made me emotional
Klavan has such a way with words ❤
I'm sure the DailyWire will do Cameron Winters justice one day
We need to have a long talk about metal music, Knowles.
Best episode so far. I only have one nitpick, and that is that Michael said " The Anglican tradition will eventually join the ordinariate"; well, they have been since 2012, id est The Ordinariate of the Chair of Saint Peter.
DW+ should adapt Cameron Winter novels to a tv series!!
It would be so cool.
A good mystery series would be great!!
The Dad Bod Q had me in tears XD
Andrew is just the best. #GOAT
I demand the Daily Wire have the two of them listen to Metal. Since it's the holidays they could listen to Sabaton's Christmas Truce. Five Finger Death Punch's cover of Gone Away is fantastic. Michael might actually like Imperial Heretic by Parkway Drive.
I would imagine if there's any metal Michael might enjoy, it would be OM.
Kinda unrelated but I've been dipping my toe in hardcore/punk/hard rock/metal/shoegaze again (extreme metal was my jam as a teenager, my tastes have broadened and softened since then) and there's this new band "Fleshwater" that's got me really stoked about the sort of heavy music the zoomers are gonna be able to come up with. I recommend you check out their 2022 album, it's dope. Not quite metal, but something I suspect an old rocker would appreciate. "Narrow Head" is another new(ish) band in this vein I'm excited about.
One thing I'll say about the zoomer bands is they tend to genre-bend quite a bit and take influence from all corners of their musical heritage. It's cool.
Given the bands you're into I suspect you're close to me in age, and I'm curious if you've noticed any new fresh young bands under the broad category of "heavy music" that you find interestinf.
I love Drew but even as a protestant, I have 0 clue how anyone sticks with the Anglican church, which was founded because an English king got denied a divorce so he could produce a male heir. I get why people choose Catholicism, but Anglican makes no sense to me. That said, I love Drew :)
Well I like that England, and by extension the C of E, basically owned half the globe, and practically gave us America. Also I like reformed roots it has, and the book of common prayer is kinda cool. The divorce part isn't great I guess...
That's one of the myths of history. The English church reformation was already underway before Henry the 8th. His divorce was just used as a catalyst to split from the Pope. The English church has roots all the way back to the 2nd century in the roman empire. In many ways, it was always a distinct form of Christianity and just happened to fall into the western Catholic church. The Anglican reformers thought they were returning to that original church, more so than that they were creating something new. That's the reason why they kept many of the "Catholic" forms of worship as opposed to many of the Continental reformers.
I will defend metal music here, and recommend you listen to an instrumental titled "Orion", by Metallica. Some metal is bad and just percussive, but Metallica's 2nd, 3rd, and 4th albums all incorporated harmonies and melodies, and never praised satan or disparaged God. In fact, they have a song about Passover from the point of view of the Angel of Death. I would recommend listening to some metal before making a blanket statement.
If you were to listen to the band Theocracy, they're a great melodic metal band that is great at sophisticated techincal music. It's a Christian band and their songs are phenomenal -- their band name is explained in one of their songs as well.
The best duo I have seen playing this game. Witty yet silly repartee!
When do we get an episode of Yes or No with Nick Freitas?
Yes!!!
I love that dude! That would be amazing!!
I think the Metal community should come up with a list of songs for these two to listen to and see if they finally can understand why we love Metal.
Loved all of it but I gotta disagree with the music tastes at the end. To say that music and rock are bad poetry when bands like RUSH existed. Lookup "Freewill" by Rush. That's poetry of not just words.
Also they were pretty generally wholesome.
The best part is where Michael actually pushes Andrew's glass over for him - like, yeah, we both know our answers here.
Yes!🎉
On the Waterfront (1954) is a childhood favorite!
How about Spartacus (1960)🤗
47:55 This reminds me of the scene where Thursday is recruited in G.K. Chesterton's 'The Man who was Thursday'.
There the point is made that all the normal criminals like thieves and murderers and so on at least do their crime for honest reasons in a way, they at least do them for human reasons, but the anarchists just want everything to perish and as such are properly called diabolic.
thank you for this.
Thank you Andrew Klavan for saying the Orthodox Church "counts". LOL
Fun episode
I love when Klavan and Knowles are in a video together
if you want some more complex harmony (without the silly lyrics of today), check out some snarky puppy or something like that. I'd recommend the album - we like it here :)
Please interview Michael Lofton on the state of the Church. He explains magisterium, papal infallibility, and lies about the church in a clear and concise manner.
BEST Yes of NO eh-vrrrr!!!! Still laughing….😂