so much media does this trope and nobody ever acknowledges it's assault bc in the 'common sense' it's not written that it is assault and that's such a huge societal failure
unfortunately it’s worse than that. SPOILERS: there are a few moments in the show (in s5 i think) when robin points out how zelena SA’d him but it gets brushed off. at least with regina and graham one could claim the writers didn’t know what they were doing (because they didn’t) but with zelena they were aware. which makes zelena’s ‘redemption arc’ all the more sinister, especially when you remember that regina told robin to ‘give zelena a chance’ (in s5)
@@jadebel7006yes, it's fictional but it shows that the writers have little care for irl SA victims. the fact barely any of the characters who do it get proper consequences is concerning for how it shows the writers view smth as serious as SA.
I absolutely hate that you are entirely correct. Like you know he is both one of the spirits, and somehow in charge of the ice memory palace that Elsa finds in frozen 2
Regina and Emma really are giving “aw wow, look at those platonic friends. Look at how they platonically co-parent a child, are definitely each others’ emergency contacts, constantly talk about each other and spend time with each other and sacrifice themselves for each other. Such adorable gal pals, just great friends.”
honestly, its like the writers flirted with the idea, but either weren't allowed to actually go for it or they just wanted to tease the audience who were wanting it.
The biggest downside of this show is that a lot of characters don't interact with each other. Even some of the main cast like Emma and Regina only interact a handful of times throughout the entire show.
@@kyousui1991 I feel like you’re onto something… Emma and Belle should’ve been friends and I’ll bet Emma would’ve gotten Belle away from Gold. Emma has had some garbage exes so I think she could talk Belle through what a toxic boyfriend Gold is and get them broken up lol
@@kyousui1991 Honestly yeah. It breaks the immersion of this town that’s been turning for like 28 years when hardly anyone acts like they know each other. It’s weird.
I've decided to believe The Author simply swapping all the heroes and villains roles instead of writing the villians actually winning is a testament to him being a bad, unimaginative writer, rather than a very strange decision by the writers of the show. That just feels more fun to me
I always thought him being shallow was part of it. Like he clearly has a goofy worldview and that impacted his stance on whether he could fuck with reality around you freely, even using good people to do so. All blame is on this unlikeable coward. I dare say this guy was written this way to make Rumplestiltskin look like less of a moron in the modern day, because there are so many ways to travel realms now and he had to do a long con to make the Dark Curse happen instead.
The idea of a baby, affected by the spell of shattered sight, fucking FURIOUS at everyone and thinking about how much they hate everyone is just too funny
Henry being just absolutely over it by the end of the season and choosing violence is so funny and also so real. The kid has been through like three curses, three different evil relatives, just lost his dad all while going through puberty and then suddenly he wakes up and everyone - specially his mom - is gone?? I would've brought a gun to chat with Isaac if I was him
The biggest problem with the Frozen integration, in my mind, is the fact that Frozen was still a worldwide phenomenon and Disney's favorite cashcow when they produced this season. Disney was absolutely not gonna let them do anything ambitious with Frozen. Not the costumes, not the story, not the themes, nor the writing overall. OUATs biggest strength is being able to do weird and ambitious things with classic stories, and they seemed completely unable or unwilling to do that here.
Literally the exact same thing happened with Kingdom Hearts 3, Disney even then was so protective of their brand integrity that they wouldn't let anything remotely controversial happen in the story, and it became the worst world in the game because of it
It’s also not a Classic story like the rest of the fairytales they’d done up to this point. The only cultural touchpoint for Elsa and Anna for most people is this one movie, rather than the hundreds of versions of Snow White, Cinderella, etc
@@loganwillselizondo8235 YEAH FR. Like I think they had something interesting going on with the inclusion of Ingrid. We could've had a frozen *inspired* snow queen story and it might've been.. okay. Maybe not great, but okay.
@@rolanslide8509yes! She’s also way more inspired by the Hans Christian Anderson fairy tale The Snow Queen, which Originally inspired Frozen. Like the spell of shattered sight is pulled directly from that story. There’s so much potential!! They didn’t have to have that terrible dress just to get people excited!
I am obsessed with the fact that Haley calls Anna “Anna Frozen” as if that’s her last name. It’s so funny to me. Edit to add now that I’m in 4B, but being reminded of the fact Zelena assaulting Robin Hood while looking like his dead wife is like a double whammy of diabolical. Zelena is awful like oh my god. It’s also a crime that we didn’t get evil and in love Snow and Charming. That would’ve been great.
@@madnessarcade7447the point of OUAT is that it isn’t accurate to the source material. It’s a reimagining of classic fairytales, not a live action remake
I never liked that its just a live action sequel to the movie. The rest of the show wouldn't have been nearly as cool if that's what they did for everyone.
Disney was super weird about forcing Frozen into its fun IPs and then not allowing the writers do anything interesting with it. The Frozen world in kingdom hearts III is notorious for being one of the worst worlds in the series for this reason (doesn’t help there’s a whole unskippable cutscene of Let It Go…)
The framework of OUAT is so silly all the time but then it has moments like Elsa's "we have to learn to love ourselves" speech and Belle responding to Rumple saying he doesn't want to lose her with "You already have" and the way that one vision from the unicorn fundamentally shaped the way Snow and David react differently to Emma for the entire show. so I'm trying to tell people about all the cool emotional beats and drama but Cruella De Vil is just STANDING THERE MENACINGLY,
I decided to finally watch season 5 because of this series and I was complaining to my girlfriend, the problem with the series is it's really compelling when it's not being stupid. And it's *really* stupid when it's not being compelling
For the Pixar comment: Imagine if post Emma memories erasure Hook found Emma again and Emma was like "How did you find me?" And he was like "I got around" and showed us his stolen car and it was bright red and he was like "I call him Lightning"
it is so jarring every other character is like a reskinned version of their fairytale self even when they’re in the fairytale land, but Anna and Elsa are literally just Anna and Elsa from frozen
@@Finn-wc8nq that’s exactly how I look at the Disney store Limited edition doll releases. Every other one before frozen’s release was a interesting twist on their film outfits but then frozen comes out and they get screen accurate down to the exact detail. I do absolutely love it but it’s an interesting take on the characters
@@tommyherrick8220 I have to give it to you, Rapunzel plot twist may have been interesting, had they already not shown Rapunzel story in earlier seasons. What they did with her in s 7 similar to what they did with Ursula in s4. They changed them in theory but it still doesn't work since they tried retold the stories they themselves have already told. We already had Ariel so trying give Ursula Ariel's story line (and completely detach her from Ariel's) doesn't work. Same with Rapunzel and other characters from seasons 7 - we already had Rapunzel's story in a previous season. Trying to reuse popular tales instead of adding new one is still cheap writing, at least according to me. After S3 we have either stories based on disney - frozen, maleficient, cruella, hades, alladin and jasmine, merida - (all those stories and characters stopped being new characters based on fairy tales and became disney versions because even if they stories were a little changed they still had same character, story or even clothes) or reusing fairy tales already used - mostly season 7.
6:07 "I dont even think they knew the plot of frozen 2 when they made this season" babes they didnt know the plot of Frozen 2 when they made Frozen 2. Theres a documentary on it and like, 3/4ths of the way through making the movie they were still trying to figure out who the voice was that was calling Elsa.
Honestly, the storyline they came up with for OUAT feels kinda like what could’ve been Frozen 1 plot lines if Let It Go hadn’t been such a banger and they rewrote Elsa from villain to protagonist.
@@DearxMyxSongsit really is, the OUAT storyline is a retelling of The Snow Queen, which is what Frozen was originally before they made it their own thing with a good Elsa
That documentary is my absolute favorite, it is so hilarious to watch creators have an existential meltdown while trying to keep it Disney friendly because they know they’re on camera 😂 There’s one bit where they allude to not wanting to move their release date back because the last movie that had to do that was Good Dinosaur and the vibes SCREAM “and we all know that movie turned out like shit” but you know they can’t say it 😂😂😂
@@bookybeeza that’s because that’s how animated films are made. They don’t know the complete story right off the bat and just animate it. It’s a work in progress down to the last second. Remember how Elsa was supposed to originally be a villain? And then let it go happened and they completely reworked the entire story?
@tommyherrick8220 Not every animated film goes through this kind of production process. Most of the legwork is done while the film is still in animatics. When the film is in rendering, usually the film is nearly at it's final form. While changes are usually made, they tend to be minor, and not written on the fly like Frozen 2 was. Sometimes this still results in a good movie (Across the Spider-Verse had a famously hectic production due in large part to mismanagement from the producers/lead writers), but many times this kind of production process results in a mess.
I HOPE that's what was meant, I would LOVE it, especially since I stopped watching after S8 (no reason, just stopped) so I'd be excited to see how the bits I'm familiar with compare to the bits I'm not when Haley tells the story
3:13:06 An update on POC in this show as of season 4, following my comment on the S2 video: 1. Sidney, a morally dubious Black man who is subservient to two (2) white women 2. Tamara, an evil Black woman (dead) 3. Mulan, an Asian woman who is very cool but ALSO is one of the very few good characters to not get a happy ending with the person she loves 4. Rapunzel, a Black woman who's only there for a single Charming plotline and is never mentioned again 5. Gus Gus, a Black man who's only there for a single Ruby plotline (dead) 6. Lancelot, a Black man who was an evil white woman in disguise half the time and only there for a Snow/Charming plotline the other half (dead) 7. Ursula, an evil Black woman who leaves halfway through her own series arc 8. Marian, a Black woman who was an evil white woman in disguise (dead) Christ this show is bad to people of colour
Flashbacks to little me being absolutely desperate for any POC representation on this show, getting so excited whenever a Black person showed up and then being inevitably crushed when they died/left 🥲. I also watched the show with my mother and sister, and all three of us were actually yelling and cheering when Sidney Glass showed up, we were so excited that he was back instead of being shelved completely and so hopeful he'd get a better storyline. 😅
i was SO sad that ursula never made a comeback, she was so iconic and amazing and honestly so much better than what disney attempted to do in descendants (where they also have a rule of always villainizing at least one black woman per film) ps: (this wont make any sense to non-superhero nerds but) this show is so much the live action variant of x-men it's wild
spoilers!! next season there is going to be Merlin, he's a black guy, the most powerful wizard ever that was imprisoned in a tree for a thousand years and then died pretty quickly after gaining freedom and in season 6 there will be Aladdin, played by a brown actor, he was just ok as far as i can remember, that should probably count as a win.
To be fair most of main cast are related, so it's natural they're going to have the same skin color. There are only few important families in the entire show.
For some reason to me the shot of Gold walking over the town line and changing from hobbling to walking and throwing his cane behind him is one of my favorite visuals of the show. Also shoutouts to the one blooper of him just lying on the floor while crew pulls the magic box to shake next to him on wires while he just mutters "classically trained actor" to himself
Yeah it always really bothered me! I always found it interesting to see how they styled the characters for the modern day, even if they did it badly (cough Belle cough). And I was so disappointed that they didn't even bother
@@sw3602 I feel so bad for Belle/her actress because she’s stuck in the highest of heels This season she's hiking around in the woods for the Snow Queen and she’s in high heeled boots. Someone give this woman some flats!
@charleshockenbury353 Speaking of high heels in the woods... I read that's why the Snow Queen is actually barefoot! Apparently it was a choice by the actress because she found it too tricky walking around in heels in the woods. Idk why they couldn't have put her in flats, but....... actually I do know why and its misogyny. Personally I like the choice, it makes her feel very ethereal and not quite there, and like she's not affected by the cold
@@sw3602 good for her at least choosing to wear (or I guess not wear) what she’d be most comfortable with. And it’s an interesting read on why she’s barefoot in-universe For me I never noticed before Haley pointed it out, but it’s still super weird and distracting now. Just keep her feet out of shot or make the dress longer. Or just let her wear flats or slippers or something.
the way i was getting more and more invested in lily and convinced that she is one of the most compelling characters in the show only to find out that they WRITE HER OUT OF THE SHOW? criminal
@@Trashley112 I have no idea who it was but they should just fully commit to the bit and make it Rumplestiltskin. I want this family tree to be the most fucked up it can be. I want it to be a Christmas wreath, and every mention of Rumplestitskin is like another little Christmas light.
The later Robin Hood plot point made me so mad I had to take a break for a bit. This person murdered and impersonated your spouse, tricked you in to having sex with them (so SA) but because this led to a pregnancy you are somehow honour bound to them? It is so disgusting.
Yeah, not a fan of that! It'd be like if Tom Riddle Sr. stayed with Merope after she stopped drugging him and he realized she was pregnant. Neither of these men should feel and are not obligated in any way, shape, or form to stay with their SA's! While it's sad the child would suffer due to the mistakes of their parents, the SA's SHOULD NOT be rewarded!
Imagine a B plot of an episode: Killian has to deal with spam calls and texts even though he never gave his phone number to anyone or signed up for anything. And then Charming and Snow also start getting spam calls. So then Mr Gold overhears and to get some good points with Henry he introduces Storybrook to Aura and protecting personal information.
I'm now convinced that every TV show and movie in the modern day exists in some alternate universe where spam calls do not exist, because they always pick up immediately, with no question. Also, whenever an unknown number calls it's always weird and suspicious, and must be the bad guy, instead of just being another annoying robo call
@@estherrosezuercher7667to be fair spam calls would live in the same dimension as showering, eating and going to the toilet do. Used only if something specific to that activity is happening
henry mills, my son, was the mvp this season to *me*. he heard his mom wants a happy ending and can't seem to get one because she's a villain and he immediately throws himself into this research and decides to work at gold's shop undercover. he spends the entire second half of the season dedicated to the author shit. he finally goes to the enchanted forest this season even if there was a role swap au going on. he tackles a fully grown man. he's given the power to write and rewrite reality and says nah I'm good. absolute king shit. he will always be the MVP in my heart
28:25 can we talk about how regina picks mongoose as the operation name. Mongoose eat cobras 😭 hello??????? Operation cobra?! Regina is so funny and no one appreciates her subtle humor. She’s always telling little jokes to herself, she KNOWS she’s funny.
"now to get the savior to taste my forbidden fruit" when she's about to poison emma with an apple. she has been just. SAYING shit to make herself laugh from day one and i love that about her so much 😭
Knowing that you dress as OUAT characters for this series, I cannot describe the fear I felt seeing that Lightning McQueen jacket in those first few seconds. Thank you for clearing that up so quickly lmao
I usually hate Belle (not really for her, she isn't really enough of a stand alone character, i just really hate her relationship) so i was CHEERING when she forced rumple over the town line. it genuinely felt like this show was finally realizing how AWFUL their relationship was, and i so WISH they woulda stuck to it
Their relationship is the hill that the show decided to die on. Literally every other man in this show is a wife guy except for him. This should have been the end of their relationship.
i've been upset they forced belle into that abusive relationship all the way up to the very ending for years now and everyone i talked to about it irl (straight people) just kept commenting on how cute and romantic they were. i felt like screaming at a wall
i like that hook calls for backup because it truly leans into his backstory that he was in the navy. he was actually trained how to react in these kinds of situations so he consistently calls for backup or for other help because he knows going in alone is reckless and would get the whole crew killed. beautiful little detail chefs kiss mwah
Rumple and Belle's relationship actually drives me crazy. Like I WANT Rumple to be a morally ambigious wildcard, but he can't be that AND a viable love interest for Belle. Either give Rumple some actual fucking character development or give Belle a better boyfriend!
i mean arguably the bigger problem is they didn't want BELLE to be morally ambiguous. we're given "rumple is willing to change for her" and his happy ending as portrayed by him is him being the hero that she wants him to be. at no point does BELLE ever want to meet him at that morally ambiguous middle. she could make him better/he could make her worse. it is annoying because all the components for them to be more interesting than any other ship is THERE, they just... for whatever reason... don't go for it.
@@DUELISTKlNGDOM Honestly, you're so right. I've been thinking about this for the past day and now I'm manifesting an alternate version of Belle/Rumple where Belle has, like, mad scientist vibes going on. I can see it so clearly...it ties into the bookworm thing she's already got, and you can even reference the Disney movie and say her dad taught her how to invent stuff. Teenaged!Belle is shunned by the townsfolk for being just a little TOO interested in dark magic and forbidden science. By the time 20s!Belle meets Rumple she's learned to mask her interests and not go on long-winded rants about the cool magical theory behind evil curses. Then you can have an actually interesting push-and-pull between these two. Belle pulls Rumple towards being more pro-social and less comically evil. Rumple pulls Belle towards embracing her weirdo goth scientist goals. Will Belle pull too hard and drag them both into a life of repression? Will Rumple pull to hard and drag them both into a life of evil? Or can they find a morally-grey balance that lets them both grow as people? What I'm saying is they should make a reboot of the show and let ME write it.
The funny thing is that Henry is a fan of Marvel so I’m sure he seen some MCU movies and maybe he saw Bucky in Captain America and and noticed that he looked a lot like Jefferson.
If OUAT lasted a couple of more seasons, or if it had been slightly more popular, we would’ve seen Marvel integration in it. I mean why the fuck not right?
Rumple: ::full on explains to his son's grave that he's lying to his wife:: Nealfire's ghost: jfc dad what part of Rest in PEACE did you not understand
3:12:03 the worst part is, I was 100% ready to accept Marian was going to try to kill gold. I would have respected the hell out of her deciding this man was not worth saving and would probably hurt them. That would have been so much more interesting than bringing back Zelena
I love that line of cursed David "Maybe it's whales" But I didn't realize that it was in reference to doctor whale until this video. I just genuinely believed that this show is crazy enough where he could have meant literal whales
I never understand when ppl say this personally, was it not always a joke Emma said when talking abt her intuition😂? I never took her seriously when she said that bc she herself didn’t believe in magic so why would it be a running theme
Technically, Ingrid signed the legal adoption papers for Emma, so she should be included in the family tree as Emma's mother. Which also means the rest of the Frozen cast - including Ingrid's biological sisters - should be there
some people add ingrid and elsa as emma’s sisters and then the rest of the frozen cast to the family tree. i don’t know if i agree with it but i have seen a lot of family trees with anna and them on it.
Since we're all collectively agreeing to humor Haley's head canon, I'll submit my own. The "Oxford scholar" who provides Belle with the translation for an obscure magic language was Milo Thatch from Atlantis, the lost empire. I know there are several lore issues with this, but no more than some canon plot decisions.
I was working in Steveston when this and the following seasons were filmed. We did catering for the ground crew and sometimes had the actors come in to the cafe. I remember Georgina Haig (Elsa) being really polite and lovely, but I did have to stop myself from asking her what she thought of her Elsa dress because from what I saw of her working in it, it looked damn uncomfortable. Shout out to the OUAT crew, they were by the far the best crew to film in Steveston and work with the local merchants. Unlike Supernatural.
@@evak5673Oooh my god babe Supernatural was such a shitshow when they came to film an ep in like 2018/2019. I was told by a coordinator that we should expect high volume traffic from ground crew/staff/actors during the day of filming, and they even opened up a $1K tab, so ofc I'm like oh shit I have to book all my staff in and have folks in early to make sure we had enough baked goods/coffee ready for the rush we expected. Then the day of filming they proceeded to block off the entire street and surrounding lanes, thus blocking off civilian traffic AND blocking deliveries to the cafe. And then none of the SPN crew came in. They didn't use their tab except for like a couple coffees/doughnuts. Like max $100 of goods + tips. So I basically had all my staff and $1K worth of goods just. Sitting there. For a whole day. None of the businesses in our block got any traffic either, so we were all basically burning money. I ended up just standing outside the cafe glaring at Jared Padalecki all day while I sent my staff back home. We ran at a deficit that day. Actual shitshow.
@@at_traitor thats so sad though honeslty probably not something they did on purpouse. they should have at least let the delivery through, thats annoying
The moment where you pointed out that Princess Anna Frozen and FNAF Officer Vanessa Afton were in fact the same actress broke my brain for what felt like the longest 5 minutes I’ve experienced in years
worth noting that ursula says she gave herself tentacles 'like the sea goddess she was named after' meaning that there are three separate ursulas in canon. the first being regina pretending to be the sea goddess to trick ariel, second being the actual goddess who possessed the statue of ursula to threaten regina and then was never seen again and now this ursula. who has no actual basis in fairytale and is just a mermaid, an entirely original charqacter. except i guess she could be very very loosely based on the plot of the little mermaid 3 where triton bans music because his wife loved to sing and she was killed by pirates. it's basically mermaid footloose and ariel is kevin bacon.
@@melodi2036 That show was *somehow* more coherent than OUAT could ever dream to be and yet simultaneously managed to be completely unhinged in it's own way.
Emma also can do magic in the land without magic!! it’s shown in her flashback with Ingrid when she makes the claw machine flash and shake; when she gives birth to Henry and the lights flicker as she screams; and when she punches Lily in the modern era there’s lighting and lights flashing. it’s strongly implied that magic in the regular world is possible, but it takes strong magic users, like Emma, the Dragon, and the Apprentice.
As an 11-year-old I was told that they were making a live-action frozen so naturally I HAD to check it out. I ended up watching an insane amount of unrelated OUAT S4 (season 4 ONLY somehow) clips on TH-cam, so im watching this season through a haze of nostalgia and abject confusion,, when I saw Will Scarlett's face for the first time I felt like I was a sleeper agent getting activated for the first time in 10 years, I KNOW that man I KNOW HIM
SAME i also only began watching it when i heard they were doing frozen, i began in the middle of season 3 and for years i had just not watched the first 2 seasons until the pandemic so i was just sitting with the most insane parts of this show in my head for a good chunk of my tween years
Is Nova still on the board?? Why is Nova still on the board. Haley????? edit: Just got to Nova being covered up. Wild that she lasted until the Frozen season
I was wondering why Haley didn't cover up Cora even tho Cora is very dead and is objectively a horrible person who nobody likes, but i guess? She's somewhat relevant again in flashbacks?? But idk i'd cover the bitch as soon as i have the chance, she sucks lol
Snow and charming aren’t really heroes in my eyes because, it seems like most of the heroic things they do are in some form a self-serving action or something that would benefit them. I don’t see them doing a lot of selfless acts.
Most of what they do since entering Storybrook is like this, yes 🤣 then you find out they essentially doomed a kid in order to help their own kid so I guess they were never heroes 🤣🤣
honestly i disagree, i don’t think it’s that simple. if they really only acted in their self interest they could’ve just run off and not fought off regina/the evil queen in the enchanted forest. they ARE heroes, just not well written ones, especially post s3 lol
I was rewatching the show with my boyfriend (his first viewing) and he said something that lives in my head rent free and just makes the brain worms feast which was "i feel like robin and hook are the male proxies for emma and regina for each other bc robin says a lot of things to regina that feel like emma lines and hook has the exact same plot beats as regina" Also this is my favorite swanqueen season we were FEASTING
i will say, i’m not too mad about the alternate reality in season 4b, because while it doesn’t make much sense with the way it’s framed, it was just written into existence by “the writer,” so you could argue he’s just really bad at doing themes lmao. like he was given the prompt “the villain’s win for once,” and he just panicked and switched the names of the villains and heroes. truly zero effort put into altering the entire universe, and tbh that’s accurate to his character. i don’t think that was intentional, but my god imagine henry continuously remarking on how terrible the writing is lmao
Yeah! Although it does make me desperately want a fanfic where they actually commit to the bit and have the actual villains win, I think it would be interesting
I need to say that the guy who plays Christophe in OUAT plays a love interest in Crazy Ex Girlfriend....and the guy that voiced Hans in the animated Frozen.....also plays a love interest in Crazy Ex Girlfriend
I SCREAMED when I saw Kristoff - I haven’t seen these episodes since they aired and have since learned the Crazy Ex Girlfriend songs by heart, and that + the Frozen season of OUAT were NOT two worlds I ever expected to collide.
Hermes is litterally the cutest thing ever omgsh- the way hes so chill just being shuffled around in her arms and he has such gentle eyes🥺 - IM STEALING YOUR CAT
the complete snark from robin towards will and needing his help is so funny considering robin's whole deal is also stealing, which means he should also have the same stealing skills as will
Once Upon a Time spent so much time creating sympathetic and nuanced backstories for so many villains, and they decided to make Cruella just straight up evil. It was hilarious, reminded me of the Starkid Musical Twisted. Though I'd love to hear the pitch for how to make Cruella De Vil more sympathetic.
I will forever die on the hill that Victoria Smurfit absolutely knocked it out of the park as Cruella, and her origin story is waaaaaay better than it has any right to be. Honestly I remember really being a big fan of season 4 aside from shoehorning in Elsa and Anna. Like they could have just played off the popularity of Frozen and just focused on Ingrid and the Snow Queen storyline as something peripheral to Frozen things as a bit of an iykyk situation. But I will also forever wish the dress they kept Elsa in the whole time didn’t just look like a cheap Halloween costume
Her backstory makes her one of my all time favorite villains. She's got no trauma, no motive, she doesn't justify what she does. She's awful and proud of it. Thats what I wanted the Malificent movie to be: 95 minutes of a lady who put a whole family through 16 years of psychological torture then had a child put herself in a coma...because she didnt get invited to a baby shower. That's it. They could have even done it exactly like this- have a flashback tragic backstory that turns out to be a fake out. Instead of that dude betraying her and cutting her wings, he genuinely falls in love and it all turns out to be a long con for whatever reason (not a justifiable reason, though. Maybe she needs the heart of someone that loves her to do the spell that gives her the ability to turn into a dragon, and she thought that'd be a neat thing to be able to do)
@@bloodyneptune yeah honestly these days i think i enjoy villains that are just evil because it’s fun for them. i think sometimes the traumatic backstories can add some interesting flavors and nuance to a villain but i looooooove when they enjoy being bad so much to the point of it being kinda camp.
i know this is a little dramatic but the whole baby sacrifice thing genuinely ruins snow & charming as characters for me. like i cannot rewatch snow crying in season 2 about killing cora and being SO torn up about it, acting like it's the first awful thing she's ever done. they're constantly going on about how good they are and how they will always be good and then season 4 makes literally all of that disingenuous. i feel like they could have fixed it easily as well, have them be so guilt ridden in the first place that they have to take forgetting potions to be able to live with themselves, and then when maleficent comes back reveal to them what they did and have them deal with it then. IDK I JUST HATE IT
I watched this show as a kid and I remember loving Lily (and her "dynamic" with Emma, I was a child, the word gay did not register with me) so much and hoping every episode that she'd show back up... some day..... I gave up some time around season 6 but I do remember being pretty devastated about her never showing back
Ursula, Maleficent, and Cruella DeVille is such an odd combo. Why is Cruella there? it's two evil witches and a capitalist from the 50s? Cruella does not belong in the enchanted forest, why?
also. while im 90% certain this was done accidentally. i loveeee the flipping of the narrative this season where emma expresses fear that something might happen to killian based on her track record with love interests only for something to end up happening to *her* at the end.... it's a very simple but fun means of flipping the script tbh
1:13:58 It was so cute when this episode came out the actress who played Aurora tweeted at the Prince Phillip actor and said look how cute our baby is! Adorable!
are will and anastasia ageless in wonderland? because i will say, having a massive fight so early into getting back together feels like a very immortal person thing for them to do, i can definitely buy into that justification
Can we stop judging the cgi of a show that was made 10 years ago with a small budget and using the limited resources that they had access to at the time
@@haleywhipjack Can we stop judging the cgi of a show that was made 10 years ago with a small budget and using the limited resources that they had access to at the time
@@madnessarcade7447nah, they’d finished merging with Disney… they had the money to pull off better cgi. Shows with smaller budgets had better cgi at the same time. It’s inexcusably bad. They had DISNEY money. One of the mirrors in the ice cream shop that’s barely on screen for 5 seconds total was a $1600 mirror from Anthropologie (I’d been wanting it for years and that’s why I noticed it), so they clearly had money to spend, why were they so stingy on the cgi budget. I genuinely want to know the reason why they allowed the cgi to be that bad.
Haley Whipjack: Mentions that “Hey, they are bringing in 3D animated characters, why not Pixar ones?” in a joking manner Me, as someone who watched all of the show and remembers a bunch of it, but doesn't want to spoil anything in the show: “Haha yeah…thats totally just a joke. They wouldn't do that…totally not. They wouldn't include one as a love interest, nope that'd be silly.”
I’m sure I’m not the first to say this but - honestly shocking that they didn’t turn Cruella’s cigarette holder into some kind of magical object, so then to do (specifically) mind control magic she has to take a long drag off it? It’s just such an iconic part of her character in the original movie - it’s a bummer they didn’t include it somehow.
i was thinking maybe there's some restrictions concerning daytime tv where u can't show ppl consuming alcohol or nicotine too much. maybe? im just speculating. bc her bad breath could be so much cooler if she was actually smoking a cig
since we seem to have the same taste, may i humbly suggest: ashley norton. she does deep dives more on reality TV and celebrities, but oh my god it’s so fascinating. i highly rec her video on bad cinderella
one thing you can count on the OUAT writers to do is to give Emma undeniable romantic chemistry/tension/story with a dark haired woman and pretend it's just totally 100% platonic
the fact that the young!Duke of Weselton looks like Alan Tudyk, the man who played him, makes me feel like I'd somehow gone to a different dimension where Frozen was all Live Action
Cruella in this show is so funny to me. She’s my favorite character. I’m a big fan of her happy ending being being allowed to do murder. 10/10 character concept.
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"elsa from frozen takes an interrogation too far" sounds like a game changer prompt
Give this to Lou, I beeeeg you Sam
I need BLEEM yelling about how his limbs are freezing while Lou Wilson stands coolly in a corner quoting the movie out of sync
As someone who's recently gotten into Game Changer, I read that and immediately the sound effect for the prompt pop played in my head.
really pisses me off that the show never acknowledges that zelena's pregnancy is the result of her assaulting robin hood
so much media does this trope and nobody ever acknowledges it's assault bc in the 'common sense' it's not written that it is assault and that's such a huge societal failure
unfortunately it’s worse than that. SPOILERS: there are a few moments in the show (in s5 i think) when robin points out how zelena SA’d him but it gets brushed off.
at least with regina and graham one could claim the writers didn’t know what they were doing (because they didn’t) but with zelena they were aware. which makes zelena’s ‘redemption arc’ all the more sinister, especially when you remember that regina told robin to ‘give zelena a chance’ (in s5)
🙄 ITS A FICTIONAL TV SHOW! 🤣🤣🤣
@@jadebel7006yes, it's fictional but it shows that the writers have little care for irl SA victims. the fact barely any of the characters who do it get proper consequences is concerning for how it shows the writers view smth as serious as SA.
@@jadebel7006 It's still gross?
You just know if Frozen 2 had come out when they made s4, Rumpelstiltskin would have also been one of the Element spirits
I absolutely hate that you are entirely correct. Like you know he is both one of the spirits, and somehow in charge of the ice memory palace that Elsa finds in frozen 2
and same w/ Emma Swan, of course
@@jaythefae1595 I can absolutely hear that impish giggle coming from that ice memory thing
Where the north wind
meets the sea
There's an old guy, who is sometimes green
Come my darling, old guy bound.
He's not as bad
As he might sound
omfg @@demetriam2408
Regina and Emma really are giving “aw wow, look at those platonic friends. Look at how they platonically co-parent a child, are definitely each others’ emergency contacts, constantly talk about each other and spend time with each other and sacrifice themselves for each other. Such adorable gal pals, just great friends.”
WHICH COULD MEAN NOTHING
IM GOING INSANE I WANNA REWATCH ONCE UPON A TIME!
@@nerdherder9340Emma sacrificed her soul to save regina from the darkness BUT THAT COULD MEAN NOTHING. They moved the moon together but etc
They're just Roommates, nothing about it.
honestly, its like the writers flirted with the idea, but either weren't allowed to actually go for it or they just wanted to tease the audience who were wanting it.
say it with me "BELLE NEEDS MORE CONSISTENT FEMALE FRIENDS AND NOT THE CREEPY OLD MAN WHO LIES TO HER"
The biggest downside of this show is that a lot of characters don't interact with each other. Even some of the main cast like Emma and Regina only interact a handful of times throughout the entire show.
@@kyousui1991 I feel like you’re onto something… Emma and Belle should’ve been friends and I’ll bet Emma would’ve gotten Belle away from Gold. Emma has had some garbage exes so I think she could talk Belle through what a toxic boyfriend Gold is and get them broken up lol
@@kyousui1991 Honestly yeah. It breaks the immersion of this town that’s been turning for like 28 years when hardly anyone acts like they know each other. It’s weird.
@@Catalina-Winemixer yeah, small tiny town with only two jail cells and everybody knows Henry, but the adults only know each others names
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I've decided to believe The Author simply swapping all the heroes and villains roles instead of writing the villians actually winning is a testament to him being a bad, unimaginative writer, rather than a very strange decision by the writers of the show. That just feels more fun to me
yeah no imagining it as just a show of him being an utter hack fraud is the only way to make it not infuriating
I always thought him being shallow was part of it. Like he clearly has a goofy worldview and that impacted his stance on whether he could fuck with reality around you freely, even using good people to do so. All blame is on this unlikeable coward. I dare say this guy was written this way to make Rumplestiltskin look like less of a moron in the modern day, because there are so many ways to travel realms now and he had to do a long con to make the Dark Curse happen instead.
The idea of a baby, affected by the spell of shattered sight, fucking FURIOUS at everyone and thinking about how much they hate everyone is just too funny
I have no fully developed motor functions and I must hurt
@@hada__02you're legit so funny /gen
"I've only been alive for a couple of weeks, but I already have valid reasons to hate all of you"
@@hada__02 AM would actually vibe with a human for once
What got me was when snow called anna "swiss miss" lol
Haley: Emma's type is dark-haired confident criminals with good eyebrows.
Me: side-eyes Regina
ikr theyd be endgame
If one of them were a man they would’ve gotten together in s2 if not earlier 😔
@@anakin-is-panakin I'm half convinced they created hook just to make the Emma and Regina shippers shut up and give her a villain to make out with
Also when she said Regina's type is blondes that something something I forgot what she said but yeah lol
@@GrapefruitPizza im a blonde..am i regina's type? just to know
Henry being just absolutely over it by the end of the season and choosing violence is so funny and also so real. The kid has been through like three curses, three different evil relatives, just lost his dad all while going through puberty and then suddenly he wakes up and everyone - specially his mom - is gone?? I would've brought a gun to chat with Isaac if I was him
Haha SAME! Like, give me 5 minutes and a baseball bat, I just wanna talk
"There's no cooling systems at all, but the backroom is completely frozen over, so there's definitely a bitch with ice powers that works here" LMAO
The biggest problem with the Frozen integration, in my mind, is the fact that Frozen was still a worldwide phenomenon and Disney's favorite cashcow when they produced this season. Disney was absolutely not gonna let them do anything ambitious with Frozen. Not the costumes, not the story, not the themes, nor the writing overall. OUATs biggest strength is being able to do weird and ambitious things with classic stories, and they seemed completely unable or unwilling to do that here.
Literally the exact same thing happened with Kingdom Hearts 3, Disney even then was so protective of their brand integrity that they wouldn't let anything remotely controversial happen in the story, and it became the worst world in the game because of it
It’s also not a Classic story like the rest of the fairytales they’d done up to this point. The only cultural touchpoint for Elsa and Anna for most people is this one movie, rather than the hundreds of versions of Snow White, Cinderella, etc
For real, here’s the question, which OUAT version of a character is your favourite excluding Rumpelstiltskin who is clearly the best
@@loganwillselizondo8235 YEAH FR. Like I think they had something interesting going on with the inclusion of Ingrid. We could've had a frozen *inspired* snow queen story and it might've been.. okay. Maybe not great, but okay.
@@rolanslide8509yes! She’s also way more inspired by the Hans Christian Anderson fairy tale The Snow Queen, which Originally inspired Frozen. Like the spell of shattered sight is pulled directly from that story. There’s so much potential!! They didn’t have to have that terrible dress just to get people excited!
I am obsessed with the fact that Haley calls Anna “Anna Frozen” as if that’s her last name. It’s so funny to me.
Edit to add now that I’m in 4B, but being reminded of the fact Zelena assaulting Robin Hood while looking like his dead wife is like a double whammy of diabolical. Zelena is awful like oh my god.
It’s also a crime that we didn’t get evil and in love Snow and Charming. That would’ve been great.
Yes, me too! I've never watched Frozen. Do they not have last names in the movie? 😂
So she doesn’t get her confused with Anastasia
@@fgjhham89 not at all as far as i know
Anna of Arundelle I think.
@@fgjhham89 they are royals, they don't need last names technically
The worst part of the Frozen era isn’t that they did frozen. It’s that they didn’t give Frozen the OAUT treatment
The one time people get upset that something isn’t accurate to the source material
Make up ur minds
@@madnessarcade7447the point of OUAT is that it isn’t accurate to the source material. It’s a reimagining of classic fairytales, not a live action remake
I never liked that its just a live action sequel to the movie. The rest of the show wouldn't have been nearly as cool if that's what they did for everyone.
Disney was super weird about forcing Frozen into its fun IPs and then not allowing the writers do anything interesting with it. The Frozen world in kingdom hearts III is notorious for being one of the worst worlds in the series for this reason (doesn’t help there’s a whole unskippable cutscene of Let It Go…)
I agree
"Breaking his code all over her vault" sounds like a terrible euphemism lol
is it inaccurate though
I meeeaaan…
The framework of OUAT is so silly all the time but then it has moments like Elsa's "we have to learn to love ourselves" speech and Belle responding to Rumple saying he doesn't want to lose her with "You already have" and the way that one vision from the unicorn fundamentally shaped the way Snow and David react differently to Emma for the entire show. so I'm trying to tell people about all the cool emotional beats and drama but Cruella De Vil is just STANDING THERE MENACINGLY,
Wait the vision from the unicorn??
ETA: I’m silly never mind, I’m caught up I remember what that is now
I decided to finally watch season 5 because of this series and I was complaining to my girlfriend, the problem with the series is it's really compelling when it's not being stupid. And it's *really* stupid when it's not being compelling
For the Pixar comment: Imagine if post Emma memories erasure Hook found Emma again and Emma was like "How did you find me?" And he was like "I got around" and showed us his stolen car and it was bright red and he was like "I call him Lightning"
im convinced they wouldve done that had the show ran for more seasons
@@carolkoski4875 i wouldve been seated for it honestly
@@guezzwho8000 seated in lighting going 'kachow'
it is so jarring every other character is like a reskinned version of their fairytale self even when they’re in the fairytale land, but Anna and Elsa are literally just Anna and Elsa from frozen
@@Finn-wc8nq that’s exactly how I look at the Disney store Limited edition doll releases. Every other one before frozen’s release was a interesting twist on their film outfits but then frozen comes out and they get screen accurate down to the exact detail. I do absolutely love it but it’s an interesting take on the characters
It's why OUAT went downhill after season 3. They stopped changing anything and just went with Disney movie version of events...
@@s1b3r11 really? Then please explain the Rapunzel twist in season seven.
@@tommyherrick8220 I have to give it to you, Rapunzel plot twist may have been interesting, had they already not shown Rapunzel story in earlier seasons. What they did with her in s 7 similar to what they did with Ursula in s4. They changed them in theory but it still doesn't work since they tried retold the stories they themselves have already told. We already had Ariel so trying give Ursula Ariel's story line (and completely detach her from Ariel's) doesn't work. Same with Rapunzel and other characters from seasons 7 - we already had Rapunzel's story in a previous season. Trying to reuse popular tales instead of adding new one is still cheap writing, at least according to me.
After S3 we have either stories based on disney - frozen, maleficient, cruella, hades, alladin and jasmine, merida - (all those stories and characters stopped being new characters based on fairy tales and became disney versions because even if they stories were a little changed they still had same character, story or even clothes) or reusing fairy tales already used - mostly season 7.
6:07 "I dont even think they knew the plot of frozen 2 when they made this season" babes they didnt know the plot of Frozen 2 when they made Frozen 2. Theres a documentary on it and like, 3/4ths of the way through making the movie they were still trying to figure out who the voice was that was calling Elsa.
Honestly, the storyline they came up with for OUAT feels kinda like what could’ve been Frozen 1 plot lines if Let It Go hadn’t been such a banger and they rewrote Elsa from villain to protagonist.
@@DearxMyxSongsit really is, the OUAT storyline is a retelling of The Snow Queen, which is what Frozen was originally before they made it their own thing with a good Elsa
That documentary is my absolute favorite, it is so hilarious to watch creators have an existential meltdown while trying to keep it Disney friendly because they know they’re on camera 😂
There’s one bit where they allude to not wanting to move their release date back because the last movie that had to do that was Good Dinosaur and the vibes SCREAM “and we all know that movie turned out like shit” but you know they can’t say it 😂😂😂
@@bookybeeza that’s because that’s how animated films are made. They don’t know the complete story right off the bat and just animate it. It’s a work in progress down to the last second. Remember how Elsa was supposed to originally be a villain? And then let it go happened and they completely reworked the entire story?
@tommyherrick8220 Not every animated film goes through this kind of production process. Most of the legwork is done while the film is still in animatics. When the film is in rendering, usually the film is nearly at it's final form. While changes are usually made, they tend to be minor, and not written on the fly like Frozen 2 was. Sometimes this still results in a good movie (Across the Spider-Verse had a famously hectic production due in large part to mismanagement from the producers/lead writers), but many times this kind of production process results in a mess.
If by "Supernatural video" you mean "this same video series concept, but for Supernatural," let me tell you I am 100% here for it!
"SAMMY!!"
I’ve been thinking about that exact concept for like three months i want it so bad😭
I HOPE that's what was meant, I would LOVE it, especially since I stopped watching after S8 (no reason, just stopped) so I'd be excited to see how the bits I'm familiar with compare to the bits I'm not when Haley tells the story
GOD I WANT THAT SO BAD
3:13:06 An update on POC in this show as of season 4, following my comment on the S2 video:
1. Sidney, a morally dubious Black man who is subservient to two (2) white women
2. Tamara, an evil Black woman (dead)
3. Mulan, an Asian woman who is very cool but ALSO is one of the very few good characters to not get a happy ending with the person she loves
4. Rapunzel, a Black woman who's only there for a single Charming plotline and is never mentioned again
5. Gus Gus, a Black man who's only there for a single Ruby plotline (dead)
6. Lancelot, a Black man who was an evil white woman in disguise half the time and only there for a Snow/Charming plotline the other half (dead)
7. Ursula, an evil Black woman who leaves halfway through her own series arc
8. Marian, a Black woman who was an evil white woman in disguise (dead)
Christ this show is bad to people of colour
Flashbacks to little me being absolutely desperate for any POC representation on this show, getting so excited whenever a Black person showed up and then being inevitably crushed when they died/left 🥲. I also watched the show with my mother and sister, and all three of us were actually yelling and cheering when Sidney Glass showed up, we were so excited that he was back instead of being shelved completely and so hopeful he'd get a better storyline. 😅
i was SO sad that ursula never made a comeback, she was so iconic and amazing and honestly so much better than what disney attempted to do in descendants (where they also have a rule of always villainizing at least one black woman per film)
ps: (this wont make any sense to non-superhero nerds but) this show is so much the live action variant of x-men it's wild
You’re forgetting Regina played by Lana parrilla.
spoilers!!
next season there is going to be Merlin, he's a black guy, the most powerful wizard ever that was imprisoned in a tree for a thousand years and then died pretty quickly after gaining freedom
and in season 6 there will be Aladdin, played by a brown actor, he was just ok as far as i can remember, that should probably count as a win.
To be fair most of main cast are related, so it's natural they're going to have the same skin color. There are only few important families in the entire show.
For some reason to me the shot of Gold walking over the town line and changing from hobbling to walking and throwing his cane behind him is one of my favorite visuals of the show. Also shoutouts to the one blooper of him just lying on the floor while crew pulls the magic box to shake next to him on wires while he just mutters "classically trained actor" to himself
That visual ateeeee it's absolutely one of my favorites too
I’ve never even watched the show but I had to rewind that scene multiple times because of how smooth it was lol
It always bothered me that they never gave Elsa modern clothes when she was in Storybrooke.
They don't even giver her any change of clothes. she's been wearing that dress for probably WEEKS
Yeah it always really bothered me! I always found it interesting to see how they styled the characters for the modern day, even if they did it badly (cough Belle cough). And I was so disappointed that they didn't even bother
@@sw3602 I feel so bad for Belle/her actress because she’s stuck in the highest of heels
This season she's hiking around in the woods for the Snow Queen and she’s in high heeled boots. Someone give this woman some flats!
@charleshockenbury353 Speaking of high heels in the woods... I read that's why the Snow Queen is actually barefoot! Apparently it was a choice by the actress because she found it too tricky walking around in heels in the woods. Idk why they couldn't have put her in flats, but....... actually I do know why and its misogyny. Personally I like the choice, it makes her feel very ethereal and not quite there, and like she's not affected by the cold
@@sw3602 good for her at least choosing to wear (or I guess not wear) what she’d be most comfortable with. And it’s an interesting read on why she’s barefoot in-universe
For me I never noticed before Haley pointed it out, but it’s still super weird and distracting now. Just keep her feet out of shot or make the dress longer.
Or just let her wear flats or slippers or something.
"Elsa does not have 'shrink-a-ship' powers. She--and you might've forgotten--she has ice powers." is one of my favorite bits, it's so funny to me
the way i was getting more and more invested in lily and convinced that she is one of the most compelling characters in the show only to find out that they WRITE HER OUT OF THE SHOW? criminal
i cannot stress this enough they reveal who her dad was during last minute voiceover added in like the last minute of season 7
@@Trashley112 I have no idea who it was but they should just fully commit to the bit and make it Rumplestiltskin. I want this family tree to be the most fucked up it can be. I want it to be a Christmas wreath, and every mention of Rumplestitskin is like another little Christmas light.
@@Trashley112 i just looked it up and… the. what. sorry. huh. what. he’s. SORRY? WHAT?
Truly NOTHING could have prepared me for who Lily’s father is 😭😭😭
@@eefr3081 who is it??
Covering Zelena with Marian with a green border was genuinely genius for the reveal
The whole show was worth it for "WHO YA CAWLIN' ICEMAN, STABLEBOI???"
One of my favourite episodes of the entire show
HE'S A BABY, NOT A BREAFAT BURRITO!
🤣🤣
The later Robin Hood plot point made me so mad I had to take a break for a bit.
This person murdered and impersonated your spouse, tricked you in to having sex with them (so SA) but because this led to a pregnancy you are somehow honour bound to them? It is so disgusting.
Yeah, not a fan of that! It'd be like if Tom Riddle Sr. stayed with Merope after she stopped drugging him and he realized she was pregnant. Neither of these men should feel and are not obligated in any way, shape, or form to stay with their SA's! While it's sad the child would suffer due to the mistakes of their parents, the SA's SHOULD NOT be rewarded!
Imagine a B plot of an episode: Killian has to deal with spam calls and texts even though he never gave his phone number to anyone or signed up for anything. And then Charming and Snow also start getting spam calls. So then Mr Gold overhears and to get some good points with Henry he introduces Storybrook to Aura and protecting personal information.
I'm now convinced that every TV show and movie in the modern day exists in some alternate universe where spam calls do not exist, because they always pick up immediately, with no question. Also, whenever an unknown number calls it's always weird and suspicious, and must be the bad guy, instead of just being another annoying robo call
@@estherrosezuercher7667to be fair spam calls would live in the same dimension as showering, eating and going to the toilet do. Used only if something specific to that activity is happening
henry mills, my son, was the mvp this season to *me*. he heard his mom wants a happy ending and can't seem to get one because she's a villain and he immediately throws himself into this research and decides to work at gold's shop undercover. he spends the entire second half of the season dedicated to the author shit. he finally goes to the enchanted forest this season even if there was a role swap au going on. he tackles a fully grown man. he's given the power to write and rewrite reality and says nah I'm good. absolute king shit. he will always be the MVP in my heart
maleficent, ursula and cruella: help us let villians get a win
rumple: skill issue
well to be fair his son did die and his own actions ended his marriage only a few days after the fact
28:25 can we talk about how regina picks mongoose as the operation name. Mongoose eat cobras 😭 hello??????? Operation cobra?! Regina is so funny and no one appreciates her subtle humor. She’s always telling little jokes to herself, she KNOWS she’s funny.
"now to get the savior to taste my forbidden fruit" when she's about to poison emma with an apple. she has been just. SAYING shit to make herself laugh from day one and i love that about her so much 😭
@@c1nnamodoll YES! In s1 when’s she like “what did I cast a spell on her?” LIKE she knows she’s so funny 😩 all her one liners are great
props to anna for being the first person to think of commanding rumple with the dagger to never be able to hurt her or her loved ones
Knowing that you dress as OUAT characters for this series, I cannot describe the fear I felt seeing that Lightning McQueen jacket in those first few seconds. Thank you for clearing that up so quickly lmao
I usually hate Belle (not really for her, she isn't really enough of a stand alone character, i just really hate her relationship) so i was CHEERING when she forced rumple over the town line. it genuinely felt like this show was finally realizing how AWFUL their relationship was, and i so WISH they woulda stuck to it
Their relationship is the hill that the show decided to die on. Literally every other man in this show is a wife guy except for him. This should have been the end of their relationship.
i've been upset they forced belle into that abusive relationship all the way up to the very ending for years now and everyone i talked to about it irl (straight people) just kept commenting on how cute and romantic they were. i felt like screaming at a wall
i like that hook calls for backup because it truly leans into his backstory that he was in the navy. he was actually trained how to react in these kinds of situations so he consistently calls for backup or for other help because he knows going in alone is reckless and would get the whole crew killed. beautiful little detail chefs kiss mwah
"robin hood will know you killed the mother of his child" like girl she already did in the original timeline???
Rumple and Belle's relationship actually drives me crazy. Like I WANT Rumple to be a morally ambigious wildcard, but he can't be that AND a viable love interest for Belle. Either give Rumple some actual fucking character development or give Belle a better boyfriend!
i mean arguably the bigger problem is they didn't want BELLE to be morally ambiguous. we're given "rumple is willing to change for her" and his happy ending as portrayed by him is him being the hero that she wants him to be. at no point does BELLE ever want to meet him at that morally ambiguous middle. she could make him better/he could make her worse. it is annoying because all the components for them to be more interesting than any other ship is THERE, they just... for whatever reason... don't go for it.
@@DUELISTKlNGDOM Honestly, you're so right. I've been thinking about this for the past day and now I'm manifesting an alternate version of Belle/Rumple where Belle has, like, mad scientist vibes going on.
I can see it so clearly...it ties into the bookworm thing she's already got, and you can even reference the Disney movie and say her dad taught her how to invent stuff.
Teenaged!Belle is shunned by the townsfolk for being just a little TOO interested in dark magic and forbidden science. By the time 20s!Belle meets Rumple she's learned to mask her interests and not go on long-winded rants about the cool magical theory behind evil curses.
Then you can have an actually interesting push-and-pull between these two. Belle pulls Rumple towards being more pro-social and less comically evil. Rumple pulls Belle towards embracing her weirdo goth scientist goals. Will Belle pull too hard and drag them both into a life of repression? Will Rumple pull to hard and drag them both into a life of evil? Or can they find a morally-grey balance that lets them both grow as people?
What I'm saying is they should make a reboot of the show and let ME write it.
@@ninereeds1810I WILL WATCH YOUR REWRITE!
or bite the bullet and give him a morally ambiguous girlfriend and send them in opposing directions.
@@ninereeds1810 I will watch that for sure
The funny thing is that Henry is a fan of Marvel so I’m sure he seen some MCU movies and maybe he saw Bucky in Captain America and and noticed that he looked a lot like Jefferson.
If OUAT lasted a couple of more seasons, or if it had been slightly more popular, we would’ve seen Marvel integration in it. I mean why the fuck not right?
It would have been interesting to crossover with agents of shield
An agents of shield crossover would've been so chaotic and iconic
Lol plot twist, Storybrooke was actually created by Wanda 😭😭
@@nunugirlswag109 I think Regina and Wanda would really understand with each other and be friends
Rumple: ::full on explains to his son's grave that he's lying to his wife::
Nealfire's ghost: jfc dad what part of Rest in PEACE did you not understand
“You all know what the worst outfit was I don’t even need to say it” when it could literally be Elsa’s dress, Cruella’s fit, or Ingret’s lack of shoes
I was thinking Emma's pink dress. Like it's not necessarily bad but jarring for the character, doesn't fit at all.
The beast tailcoat thing?
3:12:03 the worst part is, I was 100% ready to accept Marian was going to try to kill gold. I would have respected the hell out of her deciding this man was not worth saving and would probably hurt them. That would have been so much more interesting than bringing back Zelena
I love that line of cursed David "Maybe it's whales" But I didn't realize that it was in reference to doctor whale until this video. I just genuinely believed that this show is crazy enough where he could have meant literal whales
LMFAO 😂 I love that
good grief 😂
Haley: explaining all the dramatic and emotional aspects of OUAT
Hermes: ⬇️⤵️↗️⬆️↙️➡️⬅️↖️↕️↘️⤴️↩️↗️↗️⤵️↖️⬅️↙️⬆️↪️↘️⤴️🔃⬅️⬆️↗️➡️⤵️↖️↩️
they absolutely forgot about emma's power of knowing when people lie to her
I never understand when ppl say this personally, was it not always a joke Emma said when talking abt her intuition😂? I never took her seriously when she said that bc she herself didn’t believe in magic so why would it be a running theme
"Where is Ruby? I miss her!"
I can not wait for you to find out where she is and what she is up to. Truly some good shit.
Haley singlehandedly keeping the lofi Neurodivergent Video Essays to Play Im The Background industry alive
Now I know what to call my current TH-cam preference
Technically, Ingrid signed the legal adoption papers for Emma, so she should be included in the family tree as Emma's mother. Which also means the rest of the Frozen cast - including Ingrid's biological sisters - should be there
some people add ingrid and elsa as emma’s sisters and then the rest of the frozen cast to the family tree. i don’t know if i agree with it but i have seen a lot of family trees with anna and them on it.
Since we're all collectively agreeing to humor Haley's head canon, I'll submit my own.
The "Oxford scholar" who provides Belle with the translation for an obscure magic language was Milo Thatch from Atlantis, the lost empire. I know there are several lore issues with this, but no more than some canon plot decisions.
awww i love this :D
I was working in Steveston when this and the following seasons were filmed. We did catering for the ground crew and sometimes had the actors come in to the cafe. I remember Georgina Haig (Elsa) being really polite and lovely, but I did have to stop myself from asking her what she thought of her Elsa dress because from what I saw of her working in it, it looked damn uncomfortable. Shout out to the OUAT crew, they were by the far the best crew to film in Steveston and work with the local merchants. Unlike Supernatural.
Dish girl
@@evak5673Oooh my god babe Supernatural was such a shitshow when they came to film an ep in like 2018/2019. I was told by a coordinator that we should expect high volume traffic from ground crew/staff/actors during the day of filming, and they even opened up a $1K tab, so ofc I'm like oh shit I have to book all my staff in and have folks in early to make sure we had enough baked goods/coffee ready for the rush we expected.
Then the day of filming they proceeded to block off the entire street and surrounding lanes, thus blocking off civilian traffic AND blocking deliveries to the cafe. And then none of the SPN crew came in. They didn't use their tab except for like a couple coffees/doughnuts. Like max $100 of goods + tips.
So I basically had all my staff and $1K worth of goods just. Sitting there. For a whole day. None of the businesses in our block got any traffic either, so we were all basically burning money. I ended up just standing outside the cafe glaring at Jared Padalecki all day while I sent my staff back home. We ran at a deficit that day.
Actual shitshow.
I need the supernatural tea plz
@@at_traitor thats so sad though honeslty probably not something they did on purpouse. they should have at least let the delivery through, thats annoying
Bo Peep being a mob boss is absolutely something I wiped from my memory, and idk how to feel now that it’s back.
i choose to find it funny
my life has become only impatiently awaiting the next installment of haley’s OUAT recap and rewatching old episodes until it comes out
Same here! She has quickly become my favorite TH-camr!
i get it
Her energy is perfect for this absolutely batshit show lol
I don’t want to admit how many times I’ve watched the previous parts
I wish it was only that I watched the old ones when the new ones come out but it's so much more often.
(I don't really wish this I love these.
The moment where you pointed out that Princess Anna Frozen and FNAF Officer Vanessa Afton were in fact the same actress broke my brain for what felt like the longest 5 minutes I’ve experienced in years
She's also Guinevere Beck from "You" season 1.
@@hannahleigh6152 ooohh thats where i know her face from!!
SHUT UP I KNEW I SAW HER SOMEWHEREEEE. DIDN'T EXPECT TO FIND THE ANSWER HERE!
i miss the days where the plot twists were 'little red riding hood was the big bad wolf all along'
@@beckettschmekett 😂😂😂😂
I'm convinced that the actual main character of this show is the Dark One dagger.
worth noting that ursula says she gave herself tentacles 'like the sea goddess she was named after' meaning that there are three separate ursulas in canon. the first being regina pretending to be the sea goddess to trick ariel, second being the actual goddess who possessed the statue of ursula to threaten regina and then was never seen again and now this ursula. who has no actual basis in fairytale and is just a mermaid, an entirely original charqacter. except i guess she could be very very loosely based on the plot of the little mermaid 3 where triton bans music because his wife loved to sing and she was killed by pirates. it's basically mermaid footloose and ariel is kevin bacon.
This is the first youtube comment I ever saved. Thank you for this
There is so much HEY LADIES?!? in this video it brings me so much joy 😂
Insert Beastie boys cowbell sound effect here
i actually don’t know what i’m gonna do when we run out of seasons because these videos are SO FUNNY
Maybe she'll cover Grimm next.
Y'know? The edgy fairy tale procedural produced by NBC that premiered the same month as OUAT.
Grimm was f***ing wild.
She could talk about Lucifer? It's... definitely something, and there's like 6 seasons I think I only made it to season 3 or 4
@@gooderambles yesssss omg Grimm!!!
@@melodi2036 That show was *somehow* more coherent than OUAT could ever dream to be and yet simultaneously managed to be completely unhinged in it's own way.
RIVERDALE! RIVERDALE! RIVERDALE!
Emma also can do magic in the land without magic!! it’s shown in her flashback with Ingrid when she makes the claw machine flash and shake; when she gives birth to Henry and the lights flicker as she screams; and when she punches Lily in the modern era there’s lighting and lights flashing. it’s strongly implied that magic in the regular world is possible, but it takes strong magic users, like Emma, the Dragon, and the Apprentice.
YES! i love this
The way Gold, as Hook, turns his head to face Belle after she demands Gold to face her is... OOOH ITS SO GOOD.
Victoria Smurfit committed 100% to chewing every bit of the scenery she could as Cruella and I love her eternally for it.
Oh my god
I just remembered this is the season with the Evil Ageless Ice Cream Seller
What a concept for a character
As an 11-year-old I was told that they were making a live-action frozen so naturally I HAD to check it out. I ended up watching an insane amount of unrelated OUAT S4 (season 4 ONLY somehow) clips on TH-cam, so im watching this season through a haze of nostalgia and abject confusion,, when I saw Will Scarlett's face for the first time I felt like I was a sleeper agent getting activated for the first time in 10 years, I KNOW that man I KNOW HIM
SAME i also only began watching it when i heard they were doing frozen, i began in the middle of season 3 and for years i had just not watched the first 2 seasons until the pandemic so i was just sitting with the most insane parts of this show in my head for a good chunk of my tween years
Haley: I guess I’ll cover Wendy…?
Abigail/Kathryn: …
it feels wrong to cover the season 1 characters i can’t explain it
Is Nova still on the board?? Why is Nova still on the board. Haley?????
edit: Just got to Nova being covered up. Wild that she lasted until the Frozen season
I was wondering why Haley didn't cover up Cora even tho Cora is very dead and is objectively a horrible person who nobody likes, but i guess? She's somewhat relevant again in flashbacks?? But idk i'd cover the bitch as soon as i have the chance, she sucks lol
I thought Emma and Lily were gonna be the White and Black Swan when I first watched 😂
fuck that wouldve been such a better adaptation to do instead of frozen
That would’ve been sick and a better use for Lily who they just toss to the wayside lol
The way I almost dropped my cup clicking on this video is concerning
right! i was about to eat lunch but food can wait
Omg same. These get me through my workday haha
not the chipped cup
"You'll get over her... just like you got over Milah" MY GUY YOU GOT MARRIED LIKE. 3 DAYS AGO???
Snow and charming aren’t really heroes in my eyes because, it seems like most of the heroic things they do are in some form a self-serving action or something that would benefit them. I don’t see them doing a lot of selfless acts.
Most of what they do since entering Storybrook is like this, yes 🤣 then you find out they essentially doomed a kid in order to help their own kid so I guess they were never heroes 🤣🤣
yeah honestly at best they were just regular kind people and al the heroic shit they did was to save themselves from some evil in the first place
honestly i disagree, i don’t think it’s that simple. if they really only acted in their self interest they could’ve just run off and not fought off regina/the evil queen in the enchanted forest. they ARE heroes, just not well written ones, especially post s3 lol
Them genuinely doing Mickey Mouse briefly in this season is fucking wild
Michael the real actual mouse in Maine
I was rewatching the show with my boyfriend (his first viewing) and he said something that lives in my head rent free and just makes the brain worms feast which was "i feel like robin and hook are the male proxies for emma and regina for each other bc robin says a lot of things to regina that feel like emma lines and hook has the exact same plot beats as regina"
Also this is my favorite swanqueen season we were FEASTING
i will say, i’m not too mad about the alternate reality in season 4b, because while it doesn’t make much sense with the way it’s framed, it was just written into existence by “the writer,” so you could argue he’s just really bad at doing themes lmao. like he was given the prompt “the villain’s win for once,” and he just panicked and switched the names of the villains and heroes. truly zero effort put into altering the entire universe, and tbh that’s accurate to his character. i don’t think that was intentional, but my god imagine henry continuously remarking on how terrible the writing is lmao
Yeah! Although it does make me desperately want a fanfic where they actually commit to the bit and have the actual villains win, I think it would be interesting
I need to say that the guy who plays Christophe in OUAT plays a love interest in Crazy Ex Girlfriend....and the guy that voiced Hans in the animated Frozen.....also plays a love interest in Crazy Ex Girlfriend
I SCREAMED when I saw Kristoff - I haven’t seen these episodes since they aired and have since learned the Crazy Ex Girlfriend songs by heart, and that + the Frozen season of OUAT were NOT two worlds I ever expected to collide.
that fact has NOT left my head since i saw that he played Kristoff
I'm so happy for more people to know this.
i audibly gasp when i saw Scott Michael Foster again and he fit Kristoff so well
Man that makes me wanna rewatch CXG but can I handle the second hand embarrassment a third time around?
i love that you continue to discuss things while holding your cat. and the way he looks at you is adorable
Hermes is litterally the cutest thing ever omgsh- the way hes so chill just being shuffled around in her arms and he has such gentle eyes🥺 - IM STEALING YOUR CAT
Robin and Regina are so “what if he’s written mine on my upper thigh only in my mind coded,” and I’m obsessed
oh theyre SOOOO guilty as sin? coded
I have noticed that they are very TTPD coded
the complete snark from robin towards will and needing his help is so funny considering robin's whole deal is also stealing, which means he should also have the same stealing skills as will
Once Upon a Time spent so much time creating sympathetic and nuanced backstories for so many villains, and they decided to make Cruella just straight up evil. It was hilarious, reminded me of the Starkid Musical Twisted. Though I'd love to hear the pitch for how to make Cruella De Vil more sympathetic.
It’s finally happening. “Jasper cancel my afternoon, I’ve got an… emergency meeting to attend. Yeah…”
fr i've never cleared my timetable so quickly before
Seriously, no meetings this morning
Reletable
Now I feel like a sucker for pausing at the halfway point to go to bed :P
@@bekylek7875That's responsible
Omg when evil regina with the black sword saying "i dont need magic to make you bleed" that shit was like the peak scene for the show for me lmfao
I will forever die on the hill that Victoria Smurfit absolutely knocked it out of the park as Cruella, and her origin story is waaaaaay better than it has any right to be. Honestly I remember really being a big fan of season 4 aside from shoehorning in Elsa and Anna. Like they could have just played off the popularity of Frozen and just focused on Ingrid and the Snow Queen storyline as something peripheral to Frozen things as a bit of an iykyk situation. But I will also forever wish the dress they kept Elsa in the whole time didn’t just look like a cheap Halloween costume
Her backstory makes her one of my all time favorite villains. She's got no trauma, no motive, she doesn't justify what she does. She's awful and proud of it.
Thats what I wanted the Malificent movie to be: 95 minutes of a lady who put a whole family through 16 years of psychological torture then had a child put herself in a coma...because she didnt get invited to a baby shower. That's it. They could have even done it exactly like this- have a flashback tragic backstory that turns out to be a fake out. Instead of that dude betraying her and cutting her wings, he genuinely falls in love and it all turns out to be a long con for whatever reason (not a justifiable reason, though. Maybe she needs the heart of someone that loves her to do the spell that gives her the ability to turn into a dragon, and she thought that'd be a neat thing to be able to do)
@@bloodyneptune yeah honestly these days i think i enjoy villains that are just evil because it’s fun for them. i think sometimes the traumatic backstories can add some interesting flavors and nuance to a villain but i looooooove when they enjoy being bad so much to the point of it being kinda camp.
i know this is a little dramatic but the whole baby sacrifice thing genuinely ruins snow & charming as characters for me. like i cannot rewatch snow crying in season 2 about killing cora and being SO torn up about it, acting like it's the first awful thing she's ever done. they're constantly going on about how good they are and how they will always be good and then season 4 makes literally all of that disingenuous.
i feel like they could have fixed it easily as well, have them be so guilt ridden in the first place that they have to take forgetting potions to be able to live with themselves, and then when maleficent comes back reveal to them what they did and have them deal with it then.
IDK I JUST HATE IT
I love it when Disney does an AU fanfic; it's always a seesaw of why did they do this and oh my god I can't believe they did this.
This might be stupid but what does AU mean?😅
@@jessy-120 Alternate Universe
@@jessy-120 alternate universe.
Thanks!
the whole “stealing mal’s egg thing” is literally just eugenics. like at best it’s absolutely awful. at worst it’s literally eugenics.
no cause why do the writers both think of the implications of their plots?!??? like robin hood was raped!!!!!!
I watched this show as a kid and I remember loving Lily (and her "dynamic" with Emma, I was a child, the word gay did not register with me) so much and hoping every episode that she'd show back up... some day..... I gave up some time around season 6 but I do remember being pretty devastated about her never showing back
❤
Give it another chance
“Is there a dwarf named Evilly? It’s ME.” LMAOOO
Ursula, Maleficent, and Cruella DeVille is such an odd combo. Why is Cruella there? it's two evil witches and a capitalist from the 50s? Cruella does not belong in the enchanted forest, why?
also. while im 90% certain this was done accidentally. i loveeee the flipping of the narrative this season where emma expresses fear that something might happen to killian based on her track record with love interests only for something to end up happening to *her* at the end.... it's a very simple but fun means of flipping the script tbh
If anyone asks for Live Action Frozen (no one will) we'll just direct them to all the frame-by-frame recreations of Frozen in Once Upon a Time.
1:13:58 It was so cute when this episode came out the actress who played Aurora tweeted at the Prince Phillip actor and said look how cute our baby is! Adorable!
are will and anastasia ageless in wonderland? because i will say, having a massive fight so early into getting back together feels like a very immortal person thing for them to do, i can definitely buy into that justification
pats top of Whipjack's head: you can fit so much emotion over extremely secondary characters in this bad boy
Not even 10 minutes in, but good grief, how do the rock trolls look _worse_ than Actual-CGI-Nightmare August Booth?
oh my god you have such a treat incoming in the second half
Can we stop judging the cgi of a show that was made 10 years ago with a small budget and using the limited resources that they had access to at the time
@@haleywhipjack Can we stop judging the cgi of a show that was made 10 years ago with a small budget and using the limited resources that they had access to at the time
@@madnessarcade7447nah, they’d finished merging with Disney… they had the money to pull off better cgi. Shows with smaller budgets had better cgi at the same time. It’s inexcusably bad. They had DISNEY money. One of the mirrors in the ice cream shop that’s barely on screen for 5 seconds total was a $1600 mirror from Anthropologie (I’d been wanting it for years and that’s why I noticed it), so they clearly had money to spend, why were they so stingy on the cgi budget. I genuinely want to know the reason why they allowed the cgi to be that bad.
@@madnessarcade7447 no
Haley Whipjack: Mentions that “Hey, they are bringing in 3D animated characters, why not Pixar ones?” in a joking manner
Me, as someone who watched all of the show and remembers a bunch of it, but doesn't want to spoil anything in the show: “Haha yeah…thats totally just a joke. They wouldn't do that…totally not. They wouldn't include one as a love interest, nope that'd be silly.”
Yeah uh weird you’d mention Pixar it’s not like they shove the Pixar princess in there… she wouldn’t make sense here at all…
I stopped watching after season 4 or maybe half of season 5.......now im worried 😮
i think Remy was in season 1 (ratatouille)
Does Bo Peep not count?
@@CharleyMarlowe shes a classic/public domain character before she was a character in toy story
I’m sure I’m not the first to say this but - honestly shocking that they didn’t turn Cruella’s cigarette holder into some kind of magical object, so then to do (specifically) mind control magic she has to take a long drag off it?
It’s just such an iconic part of her character in the original movie - it’s a bummer they didn’t include it somehow.
I thought the same thing! I thought a dog whistle would fit that role pretty well
i was thinking maybe there's some restrictions concerning daytime tv where u can't show ppl consuming alcohol or nicotine too much. maybe? im just speculating. bc her bad breath could be so much cooler if she was actually smoking a cig
@@PikaChu-sp2qo thats a bummer but youre probably right about that
"They're gonna put *Cruella deVil* on my Big Whiteboard!"
I unironically love this quote
I hope Haley gives her a Zelena-being-slapped-to-the-board treatment
Why would it be ironic that you love the quote?
Admittedly I haven’t seen this show in years, but isn’t it heavily implied that Walt Disney himself was the Author at one point in time?
Yes it is
Yeah. When Isaac became the author
yeah isaac becomes the author on like the day walt disney died
I cannot believe the concept that Walt Disney had phenomenal cosmic power and somehow did not end up using it for evil
@@malaizze I like to think he was just too dumb to realize he could.
you, mike’s mic, and cari can read are my deep dive holy trinity
since we seem to have the same taste, may i humbly suggest: ashley norton. she does deep dives more on reality TV and celebrities, but oh my god it’s so fascinating. i highly rec her video on bad cinderella
@@plushdragonteddy i love ashley!! her bachelor videos give me life
Haley and Cari posting 4+ hour videos on the same day really derailed my day haha
jenny nicholson too
Big Joel is like them in times new roman
one thing you can count on the OUAT writers to do is to give Emma undeniable romantic chemistry/tension/story with a dark haired woman and pretend it's just totally 100% platonic
🤣I... Can't..Breathe..soooo funny! 😆
the anna and elsa frozen is sending me, movie title last name is 10/10
the fact that the young!Duke of Weselton looks like Alan Tudyk, the man who played him, makes me feel like I'd somehow gone to a different dimension where Frozen was all Live Action
@@yourmusekay3492 give it time. I’m sure they’re working on it
Cruella in this show is so funny to me. She’s my favorite character. I’m a big fan of her happy ending being being allowed to do murder. 10/10 character concept.