Grass being immune to Fairy makes so much sense and would actually help the type chart more than anything else. I think so at least. Nerf one of the strongest offensive types and buff one of the weakest defensive types. With a great theme reasoning to boot!
I don't know about 'more than anything else'. Grass is a more than decent typing in competitive Pokémon. Wanna nerf Fairy in a fair way and thus fix the type chart? Here's what you do: - Reverse the type interaction between Bug and Fairy, so that Bug resist Fairy instead of the other way around. - Also make Fairy weak to Bug, using the same logic for why Poison beats Fairy. - As a trade-off, make Fire lose its resistance to Fairy. That always seemed like an unnecessary boon for the Fire type in my eyes. It's already a really good offensive type, it doesn't need to be a great defensive type as well. The justification is a little flimsy anyway, because fairies wouldn't need to get close to fire when they can use magic. Plus, it would give Incineroar an additional weakness, which I think we can all appreciate. - Make Ice resist Water. This interaction goes both ways; yes, if you throw a cube of ice into a lake, the lake won't care. But if you throw a glass of water onto a glacier, the water will just freeze. Water-type Pokémon wouldn't really care about this interaction, because Water is good enough as is, but Ice would really appreciate the extra resistance. Also yes of course, Scald would bypass this interaction much like Freeze-Dry does. Those four changes alone would do a world of good for the type chart. If you want to do more, here is one more optional change one might consider: - Give Psychic something. Its days of supremacy are well in the past, and honestly it's now one of the weakest types. I can see two justifiable buffs: either a) make it resist Fairy (though that may be a bit too much of a nerf for Fairy, all things considered) or b) change Dark's immunity into a mere resistance. Dark, like Fire, is one of those sneakily good types that have come to dominate the meta, for reasons far exceeding its defensive immunity to the rarely-seen Psychic. One might even suggest its immunity to Prankster is significantly more impactful. Dark would absolutely survive losing its trademark Psychic immunity, which I repeat seems like overkill in the modern era of Pokémon. Now, admittedly, this would be a pretty unremarkable buff for Psychic, so I would at least suggest also making Psychic-types immune to confusion. They are too sound of mind to get confused - there's your justification. Again, Grass may seem bad on paper, but in practice it isn't. Its immunity to spore and powder moves is huge in competitive Pokémon, and its resistances and offensive strengths are all very useful. This is what sets it apart from Bug, which has the same amount of offensive weaknesses, but has fewer and less useful defensive resistances, offers far less utility and its limited offensive strengths don't really help it; Psychic-types are not common, Dark is already weak to the best type in the game, and Grass has 4 other weaknesses to better types. Grass has a raison d'être in the meta, while Bug does not.
I've been saying this since Fairy came out. Fairy is so closely tied to nature as is that them being unable or unwilling to harm it is just as thematic as anything else involving Grass.
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Right? I'm surprised we don't have an ability that boosts defense when hit by a water move(and Immunity to water, like sap sipper.) Something like frozen armour or something
One thing you didn't seem to be considering (or, at least, you didn't mention it) was the possibility of some types being immune to themselves. I think this one is usually very easy to justify in terms of flavour, and could be a great choice for types that don't need a buff because being immune to yourself is both a nerf and a buff at the same time, whereas just gaining an immunity is a straight buff.
I was thinking of that when I saw the picks for Ice and Poison. I feel like they'd be immune to themselves, if an immunity were forced into every type.
@@Taerdan ice does kinda need the buff though and I think it not being immune to itself can have the justification that if you beat one ice cube with another it would break (a better example probably exists but this is the first one that popped into my mind)
7:44 Honestly Grass AND Bug should resist Fairy. Fairy's whole idea was to bring balance so it'd be a great idea to make some of the weaker types resist or even be immune to Fairy. No need to be SE really. I think it'd be a great idea to reexplore this concept with broader concepts, like how Grass type is immune to spores and powders and Fire-Ice-Electric-Poison are immune to their own status condition, rather than a specific type.
Honestly if Fairy was the "Balance" type I have no clue why they DIDN'T use it to buff the weakest type!? I do like the expansion idea though; making every type immune to some other effect...
It would make sense too since fairies in folktales are usually very in-tune with nature, meaning that as a result they might be less likely to hurt nature-based types such as grass and bug. Not to mention the fact that pixies are a type of fairy often depicted and they are usually the size of bugs, meaning a bug could possibly take one on. Bug beating Fairy would be quite awesome.
Also, Ghost types are immune to escape prevention (mean look or shadow tag for example). Flying types are immune to grounded entry hazards and terrains. Dark types are immune to status moves from a Pokémon with Prankster. Steel, Rock, and Ground types are immune to Sandstorm damage. I feel like Psychic could have an immunity to being confused, because with that much intelligence and such, confusion would probably not be an issue. One of the types could be immune to sleep, whether for the idea of not needing sleep or something.
For bugs immunity, I think psychic is a good fit. It overlaps with dark, but bugs and insects have very tiny minds, so they'd be impossible to manipulate psychically, especially with their chemical based communication and swarming tendencies. Plus it's another reason why psychic is weak to this phobia inducing critter
My thoughts exactly, even if holes could be poked in it. But also, I feel like similar logic could extend to bugs relationship to Fairy. Again, lots of fair arguments could be made against it, but for balance reasons, I’m highly in favor of literally any incremental step towards Bug being immune to and super effective against Fairy.
not even just tiny minds! but imagine trying to overpower a hive mind with psychic power! or trying to give commands that are ignored because a stronger command said otherwise.
Rock being immune to Fire is an interesting idea, but realistically, it doesn't fit as well as one would think. After a cursory search, I realized that steel melts from fire at 1370°C or so or 2500°F. Meanwhile rocks melt between 600°C to 1300°C, much less than that. Yes, technically metals lose their durability around high heat, way before it melts, but it's still interesting to think about.
@@emperorcubone I personally would've gone for Electric because rocks are a terrible conductor (I know it'd make Electric types not be able to deal damage to two types), but I do kinda understand now why you'd chosen this instead.
@@GoinGreninja A lot of metallic minerals are conductive, ground is specifically sand and mud which are very poor conducters while rocks like granite and limestone are known to be good at conducting lighting bolts.
Great concept. I could see there being unique moves of each type to counter the immunity, we have already thousand arrows from zygarde with that niche.
Hopefully the other moves would be *slightly easier to access than Thousand Arrows, but it'd be awesome to have a lot of those moves! (Or at least others like Miracle Eye to let your next attack hit the type anyway...)
@@Watch-0w1 Fair point, but there's no way they're spreading the move Thousand Arrows to other Pokémon, a move whose animations directly reference its green cells.
I'd make Rock immune to Normal before Fire. Rocks heat up or melt without too much difficulty, but imagine a rat trying to chew their way through a cave wall.
@@Watch-0w1 Solid objects in general are quite good at conducting sounds, even if one can't easily hear it unless they press their ears against it. That said, metals are better at it than rocks, even if by not a lot.
The type Ice should get an immunity to is Electric, As Pure Ice without any impurties doesn't conduct electricity. (Honestly using this fact i think Ice type should have a resistance to electric type in the main games)
Have you ever considered making a "what if every pokemon had a 'secondary immunity'?" how poison, fire and electric are immune to a status, rock/ ground/ steel to weather, grass to powder, dark to prankster etc.
3:47 personally I disagree I’d side with water. Since adding water to ice would just make more ice. Plus ice doesn’t get eroded like ground does. I just feel like that makes more sense
One change I would proffer is half meme, half serious: I think Ice's immunity should be ice. Not only is it a little funny that, when given an opportunity to strengthen the worst type's defensive matchups, we double down on the one thing it already had going for it, but also, like, just imagine throwing a snowball at a snowman. Or icicles hitting on an iceberg. I think it makes complete sense. Then again, immune to itself seems pretty reasonable for a lot of types, not just ice. Fire and Water both spring to mind, pun not intended. "Oh no, it's MORE of the stuff I'm made of, what-ever shall I do!?"
Rock merely being Resistant to Fire makes a lot more sense than it being Immune, since Rocks can actually be melted down with enough heat, that's what Magma/Lava is afterall, and smelting is very much a thing
The problem with Water being immune to Steel is that pretty much all fishing devices (Poles, Hooks, Spears etc) are best in their most modern sense with metal barbs and points. As Water type mostly means fish rather than just a personification of water, then Steel is actually a pretty good thing to use against Water types
I get your point, but I take issue with the Water type being "Fish" because I've not counted it up, but I'm fairly certain Water has more other creatures over plain old fish, and has for a while...
I've personally never thought it made sense why steel is immune to poison. Sure, you can't "poison" a metal plate but you can't poison lightning or flames either. If anything, given that many poison attacks relate to acid or corrosion, it should be super effective against steel as the corrosion is one of the major things that cripples metal structures. It affects metal in ways that it wouldn't affect other "elemental" types.
In exchange, going by the theme of the video, I'd say electric makes more sense. The conductive properties of water make electric SE because almost all of the water Pokémon are creatures living in water rather than creatures composed partly of water. However, if you were either made of metal or had metal armour, the conductive properties make work in your favour (passing harmlessly through you and into the ground) or it could act like a Faraday Cage and protect you from electric fields.
Personally, i think I could justify Bug being immune to Psychic because insects aren't really intelligent, and so they would likely not be deceived by things that require intelligence. And it would also play into WolfeyVGC's proposal that Bug could be immune to the Confusion status.
Huh, that'd be pretty cool too since Bug was supposed to be the other counter to Psychic. So even if they had no strong Bug attacks at least they could sit there and be immune to Sabrina, so that'd work out great!
I disagree with fire being immune to ice. First off, a solid chunk of ice is surprisingly resistant to heat, meaning it wouldn't melt instantly. Second, let's not forget that ice is still water. As the ice melts on the fire, it will melt and become water, which would in turn damage the fire. Now grass, on the other hand, I don't see it doing ANYTHING to the fire. That burns off way (and I mean WAY) faster than ice melts, so it probably wouldn't even reach the fire itself before burning out. Also, it wouldn't leave a puddle of water, threatening the fire.
@@gambleralex5083 Right? I remember playing Dragonfable back in the days, and Fire and Ice were mutually super effective on each other most of the time! Although in that game, it's not always 2x damage, and I believe most of the time fire was 200% on ice while ice was 150% on fire.
@@HesGotaGun505 I mean... i don't disagree with you... but my reasoning is that if Dragon is immune to Fire, in Pokemon, it should also be immune to Grass and Water, since they are the starter types.
@@nickdentoom1173not all resistances follow that though. Even balance wise the starter types are wildly different, waters over there with 2 weaknesses and grass has 5
@@rainbow_vader I've always construed Fighting types as them having more control over their Aura/Life Energy/Infinity Energy, making them more susceptible to the paranormal.
The mind over mater is literally why psychic is supper effective against poison, so it also being why psychic is immune to poison would still make sense.
8:20 Once again, Fairy - because I’ve killed plenty of flying pests with a single swing, and I’ve never been professionally trained in any form of martial arts. If anything, it’s a cliche to have a well trained martial artist catch a fly with ease.
2:55 For me the opposite, I always thought ice should be super effective against fire, because it's literally water. They should be super effective against each other. I never understood why water is strong vs fire but not ice
I would personally swap the Bug-type and Dragon-type immunities since a lot of bugs can see in the dark and a combatant can’t do too much against a dragon with a sword to throw, which would imply the Steel-type.
@minecraftmatthew1393 In Japan, Tokusatsu Heroes (You know, stuff like Power Rangers) is extremely popular there. So much so that bugs have gained a heroic reputation. I believe it had that reputation before this event too, but I don't exactly remember how or when that came to be. Regardless, because of these heroes, you know, lean towards goodness, and Dark types represent any evil/malice/underhanded tactics, the bugs win, because good guys always win. It's also the reason Fairy types win against Dark types too, but I believe you should know this already, so I don't know why I'm mentioning this...
I love the steel water concept because that applies to literally anything, throwing a rock at water doesn’t really do much, punching water doesn't do very much, a bug going into water doesn't do much (to the water), darkness doesn’t do much to water, and so on
Oh, ok this is cool too, I thought this video was like trying to see if there was at least 1 Mon in the game of each type that could have an immunity, like Pokémon with levitate or water absorb, probably excluding Wonder guard tho, cause that's weird to qualify
i mean if you wanna avoid making grass even weaker and give ice an edge, make ice immune to water. what happens when you throw water at ice, you make more ice.
5:33 I mean, it is possible to melt a rock with enough heat There's lava plume, eruption, magma storm Maybe you can make lava plume supper effective against rock in that case
3:54 There is in fact some areas in Antarctica that has JUUUUUUUST enough thaw to permit some moss to grow. So while the ammount is negligible, saying that there is no green in Antarctica is surprisingly incorrect.
Fire being immune to ice with the logic of fire melting the ice doesn't work, as the ice becomes water, which is SE against fire. If anything, it's the argument for why ice should be SE against fire itself.
I did think it through, trust me; if you try and stab a Fire with an Icicle it will turn to water when melting, that's true, but the quantity of water would not be enough to extinguish the flames...
@@emperorcubonei honestly could’ve seen fire and ice being one of those types that are super effective against each other. Honestly I always wondered why they never did that. It’s sort of their with bug resisting each other, but they have never made 2 types super effective against each other. One think I could’ve seen is Water and electric being good against each other since water can short circuit electronics. In Dragon city water and electric were strong against each other.
@@emperorcubone yeah but in that same token a campfire isn’t gonna melt a whole iceberg, the fire will be put out by the cold. I think it just makes more sense for the two types to be effective against each other. Fire needs heat to burn after all.
Personally, I liked Gen 1s take, where fire was super effective against ice and ice was normal effective against fire. Fire can thaw out ice based attacks but also is drained of energy by the cold, cancelling it out and resulting in normal effectiveness.
I love these changes. Do note there are abilities that makes you immune to certain types though, leaving rock type moves the only save option is kinda "ok" consiering most of them are innacurate.
Wow, this works a million times better than I could have ever imagined, I like the mix up that Ice gets in particular. Giving a frail type an immunity would make it more appealing.
2 notes: ik this video isnt thinking too much about the ramifications, but electric having an immunity to a fairly common offensive type and only one weakness would be a bit nuts (ik this applies to normal, but normal also is not a good offensive type and has no resistances) also, if fire melted the ice type move, what would it turn into? by the logic that the fire would melt the ice, ice beam turns into water gun, which fire is weak to.
To me, it makes more sense for Fighting to be immune to Poison, and Psychic to be immune to Ghost. Based on the same reasons you gave in the video. Fighting types train their bodies so well that no toxins could harm them, and Psychic types are able to mind over matter any possession. Mechanically that does make one of Psychics weaknesses into an immunity, but if they were to rebalance the chart, they could use another type that's heavily related to a common fear
Bugs are only frail because they're so small. If we actually upscaled them, they'd be monstruous biological tanks! IMO they'd be immune to Ground (burrowing) or Dark (the latter maybe because of Tokusatsu heroes in japan?)
The reason fairy is immune to dragon is because fairy represents fairytale creatures and good, and in fairytales the protagonist (aka the good guy) always slays the dragon
Ice immune to Water with the exception of Scald (super heated water move) Water immune to Fire with the exception of Evaporate (made up fire move) Fire immune to Ice with the exception of ????? (made up Ice move) Creates another nice, little immunity triad. Gives an out to each type. And makes sense.
@@DrTimes99 While it's nice you want an interesting triad or so, making Water types immune to Fire type moves is really bad for balance, not just in competitive where Water types are prized defensive players but also for the playthroughs as well since it's easy to understand why the Grass, Water, Fire trio works. Making one of the first type interactions for kids complicated from the getgo isn't exactly what I'd call good. And it breaks one of the most well known triads to begin with, so not a good plan, in my opinion. Edit: Giving further clarity.
Aura Sphere is a fighting type move, but it’s an attack where the user throws an orb of some sort and spiritual energy or something similar. It’s literally throwing a piece of the Force at someone. That move should ignore the ghost type immunity to fighting type moves.
Why the implication that fairy doesn't have a reason to be immune to dragon??? Literally every one of fairy's type matchups makes sense with actual fairy lore.
Instead of changing up the type chart, I like to think up of abilities and items that could provide type immunities Items (all work like Air Balloon): -Haunted Sheet: Normal and Fighting immunity -Ceramic Rod/Mud Armour: Electric immunity -Wicked Hat: Psychic immunity (Tinfoil hat) -Insect Spray: Bug immunity Abilities: -Nonstick Coat: Poison and sticky barb immunity -Draconic Absorb: heals when hit with Dragon type attack -Disbelief: Fairy and Intimidate immunity -Igneous Armour: +1 attack when hit by a fire type attack Bonus: Moves that provide immunity -Mushroom ring: dragon immunity for 3 turns or until the opponent uses a fire type move -Salt Circle: ghost immunity for 3 turns or until the opponent uses a flying type move
I will say that I think poison being immune to bug isn’t the best choice; I would actually think it should be the other way around! Bugs are actually pretty good at developing resistances to chemicals, and quite a few bugs actually utilize dangerous chemicals in various ways! Of course I understand that lore is only part of the decisions here, so whichever way it makes sense is fine!
Personally I think it would be funny to have Psychic immune to steel purely for the joke of psychic types showing their strength by bending metal like in the Matrix XD
A lot of logic here flies out the window... for eg. 5:06 Lava exists for a reason, its molten rock (technically not fire, but its the heat that has melted the rock), 3:00 apply your logic to fire and ice- if you throw a lit match stick at a glacier what would happen?, 4:28 bugs have been known to grow resistant to insecticides within a few generations prime example being the locust. I mean, I get the preface of the video, but I cant help but think its a tad bit lazy.
I mean not his fault. It's a hard thing to balance. Maybe rock should be immune to normal Fire should be immune to grass I guess poison should be immune to fighting
Ice should be immune to water, as adding water to ice would just result in more ice. In fact, wouldn’t in be interesting if pokemon added types that had draining effects, sort of like water absorb, but as an innate ability? Like, if ice was healed by all water type attacks?
I think psychic being immune to psychic would be interesting. We already have 2 types that are super effective on themselves, but none that are immune to themselves. It would make sense that one psychic wouldn’t be affected by another.
honestly the idea of dragon being immune to dark for the reason of 'unable to be so easily tricked' since dark as much represents pure evil malice as it does fighting dirty or underhanded conduct. can't use a dragons own strength against it its far to experienced in combat for that given how often in tales dragons are harassed by would be heroes besides that sneaking around a target for a weak point to strike only works if they have one at all. fighting is super effective against dark by similar logic, a type that wants to evade and strike only in the weak points is unprepared and fare poorly in a direct brawl.
I still think flying and grounds relationship woth electric make no sense, electricity will always try to go to grpind so anything flying will not be able to be hit with an eletirf move. How does thay mean its hit super eletric
@@jackdaleggett7184 Anything higher up in the air has a higher chance of being struck by lightning. There's a reason tall buildings have lightning rods and there's a reason airplanes get hit by them sometimes (Though, they don't get especially damaged thanks to their construction). So, a bird could die if they're unlucky enough in real life and in the case of someone controlling said electricity? Even more so...
Every type having an immunity? The Zororark Fusions in Pokemon Infinite Fusion are intrigued by this. (because comboing the Illusion ability with immunities can be so much fun.) :)
I didn't think u meant only type immunities. Imo it'd be more interesting for other type of immunities like how dark is immune to prankster amd grass is immune to powder
Dragon should be immune to normal. Also, I always thought when Fire hits Ice, it should be super effective then do something where the ice becomes water. Like the Ice types then becomes Super effective against fire (only if it survives the first fire hit)
I'm gonna write this before the Dragon segment but: If the only thing that can beat a dragon is another dragon then in contrary the only thing that can tank a dragon's attack is another dragon. Make dragon immune to dragon!
Actually bugs should be immune to poison instead. They are straight up poison warfare veterans. Only things that reliably kill bugs without them developing immunity next generation are physical irritants which is basically microscopic saws or salt or something that works on physics and not chemistry.
Grass being immune to Fairy makes so much sense and would actually help the type chart more than anything else. I think so at least. Nerf one of the strongest offensive types and buff one of the weakest defensive types. With a great theme reasoning to boot!
See that's what I thought when it came to me, I knew I shouldn't have doubted myself!
I don't know about 'more than anything else'. Grass is a more than decent typing in competitive Pokémon. Wanna nerf Fairy in a fair way and thus fix the type chart? Here's what you do:
- Reverse the type interaction between Bug and Fairy, so that Bug resist Fairy instead of the other way around.
- Also make Fairy weak to Bug, using the same logic for why Poison beats Fairy.
- As a trade-off, make Fire lose its resistance to Fairy. That always seemed like an unnecessary boon for the Fire type in my eyes. It's already a really good offensive type, it doesn't need to be a great defensive type as well. The justification is a little flimsy anyway, because fairies wouldn't need to get close to fire when they can use magic. Plus, it would give Incineroar an additional weakness, which I think we can all appreciate.
- Make Ice resist Water. This interaction goes both ways; yes, if you throw a cube of ice into a lake, the lake won't care. But if you throw a glass of water onto a glacier, the water will just freeze. Water-type Pokémon wouldn't really care about this interaction, because Water is good enough as is, but Ice would really appreciate the extra resistance. Also yes of course, Scald would bypass this interaction much like Freeze-Dry does.
Those four changes alone would do a world of good for the type chart. If you want to do more, here is one more optional change one might consider:
- Give Psychic something. Its days of supremacy are well in the past, and honestly it's now one of the weakest types. I can see two justifiable buffs: either a) make it resist Fairy (though that may be a bit too much of a nerf for Fairy, all things considered) or b) change Dark's immunity into a mere resistance. Dark, like Fire, is one of those sneakily good types that have come to dominate the meta, for reasons far exceeding its defensive immunity to the rarely-seen Psychic. One might even suggest its immunity to Prankster is significantly more impactful. Dark would absolutely survive losing its trademark Psychic immunity, which I repeat seems like overkill in the modern era of Pokémon. Now, admittedly, this would be a pretty unremarkable buff for Psychic, so I would at least suggest also making Psychic-types immune to confusion. They are too sound of mind to get confused - there's your justification.
Again, Grass may seem bad on paper, but in practice it isn't. Its immunity to spore and powder moves is huge in competitive Pokémon, and its resistances and offensive strengths are all very useful. This is what sets it apart from Bug, which has the same amount of offensive weaknesses, but has fewer and less useful defensive resistances, offers far less utility and its limited offensive strengths don't really help it; Psychic-types are not common, Dark is already weak to the best type in the game, and Grass has 4 other weaknesses to better types. Grass has a raison d'être in the meta, while Bug does not.
I could see them having grass resist fairy at least.
I've been saying this since Fairy came out. Fairy is so closely tied to nature as is that them being unable or unwilling to harm it is just as thematic as anything else involving Grass.
Yup has been my thoughts too. I’d even say Fairy should heal grass types.
Ah yes, the tree moralities. Good, Evil, and Dragon.
I mean, there are the good dragons and the malevolent ones. So it actually could do much worse of a job substituting neutral, funnily enough
I didn't know trees had values at all tbh
Good,Evil,Instinct
Good evil *pride*
It’s not wrong
Just look at escanor
Guess I'm a tree
This makes me laugh imagining a Ludicolo being immune to a zacian's stab moves
The dancing would be such a huge insult to top it off!
@emperorcubone It would've made such a great balance if they hadn't already nerfed zacian.
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@@sabercat5490 zacian was so op it took over the internet and has now made it's own website that will create spinoff games to reclaim it's power
@@sabercat5490 must be your device's UI ?
Personally I think making ice immune to water as well would help.
Right? I'm surprised we don't have an ability that boosts defense when hit by a water move(and Immunity to water, like sap sipper.) Something like frozen armour or something
We have water compaction, but that does not prevent damage.
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I mean if anything ice should be weak to water, one of the best ways to melt things is water
@@danielwoody6582ice doesn’t need another weakness lol
@@danielwoody6582well, You could Say that the ice type freezes the water so it could be super effective
One thing you didn't seem to be considering (or, at least, you didn't mention it) was the possibility of some types being immune to themselves. I think this one is usually very easy to justify in terms of flavour, and could be a great choice for types that don't need a buff because being immune to yourself is both a nerf and a buff at the same time, whereas just gaining an immunity is a straight buff.
I was thinking of that when I saw the picks for Ice and Poison. I feel like they'd be immune to themselves, if an immunity were forced into every type.
Water immunes to water make perfect sense
@@Taerdan ice does kinda need the buff though and I think it not being immune to itself can have the justification that if you beat one ice cube with another it would break (a better example probably exists but this is the first one that popped into my mind)
@@omegafr299same with electric immune to electric or fire being immune to fire
Then you’d have an unwinnable game state if two ice types are left and cannot attack until they struggle
7:44 Honestly Grass AND Bug should resist Fairy. Fairy's whole idea was to bring balance so it'd be a great idea to make some of the weaker types resist or even be immune to Fairy. No need to be SE really.
I think it'd be a great idea to reexplore this concept with broader concepts, like how Grass type is immune to spores and powders and Fire-Ice-Electric-Poison are immune to their own status condition, rather than a specific type.
Honestly if Fairy was the "Balance" type I have no clue why they DIDN'T use it to buff the weakest type!? I do like the expansion idea though; making every type immune to some other effect...
It would make sense too since fairies in folktales are usually very in-tune with nature, meaning that as a result they might be less likely to hurt nature-based types such as grass and bug. Not to mention the fact that pixies are a type of fairy often depicted and they are usually the size of bugs, meaning a bug could possibly take one on. Bug beating Fairy would be quite awesome.
Also, Ghost types are immune to escape prevention (mean look or shadow tag for example).
Flying types are immune to grounded entry hazards and terrains.
Dark types are immune to status moves from a Pokémon with Prankster.
Steel, Rock, and Ground types are immune to Sandstorm damage.
I feel like Psychic could have an immunity to being confused, because with that much intelligence and such, confusion would probably not be an issue.
One of the types could be immune to sleep, whether for the idea of not needing sleep or something.
For bugs immunity, I think psychic is a good fit. It overlaps with dark, but bugs and insects have very tiny minds, so they'd be impossible to manipulate psychically, especially with their chemical based communication and swarming tendencies. Plus it's another reason why psychic is weak to this phobia inducing critter
That makes sense
My thoughts exactly, even if holes could be poked in it. But also, I feel like similar logic could extend to bugs relationship to Fairy. Again, lots of fair arguments could be made against it, but for balance reasons, I’m highly in favor of literally any incremental step towards Bug being immune to and super effective against Fairy.
not even just tiny minds! but imagine trying to overpower a hive mind with psychic power! or trying to give commands that are ignored because a stronger command said otherwise.
@@Juniper_Rose very good point
If this happened, there would need to be some sort of massive buff to psychic, as it's leaning towards the weaker side of the types.
Grass immune to Fairy NEEDS to be a thing.
Grass isn't actually that bad defensively, what it would need, if anything, is a better offensive type chart.
Rock being immune to Fire is an interesting idea, but realistically, it doesn't fit as well as one would think. After a cursory search, I realized that steel melts from fire at 1370°C or so or 2500°F. Meanwhile rocks melt between 600°C to 1300°C, much less than that. Yes, technically metals lose their durability around high heat, way before it melts, but it's still interesting to think about.
Oh for sure, it just made the most sense over any other types on the chart...
@@emperorcubone I personally would've gone for Electric because rocks are a terrible conductor (I know it'd make Electric types not be able to deal damage to two types), but I do kinda understand now why you'd chosen this instead.
@@GoinGreninja A lot of metallic minerals are conductive, ground is specifically sand and mud which are very poor conducters while rocks like granite and limestone are known to be good at conducting lighting bolts.
@@ben5515 Interesting...I thought that most rocks aren't conductive. Now I know.
Like salt. That why we need it to help our electricity. Electrolyte it just salt water
Great concept. I could see there being unique moves of each type to counter the immunity, we have already thousand arrows from zygarde with that niche.
Hopefully the other moves would be *slightly easier to access than Thousand Arrows, but it'd be awesome to have a lot of those moves! (Or at least others like Miracle Eye to let your next attack hit the type anyway...)
Yeah but that's not ruin the whole immunity thing
@@Watch-0w1yes let's not ruin a blanket type immunity with one special legendary signature move 🤓☝️
@@rainbow_vader yeah like we never have signature move spread in future gen
@@Watch-0w1 Fair point, but there's no way they're spreading the move Thousand Arrows to other Pokémon, a move whose animations directly reference its green cells.
I'd make Rock immune to Normal before Fire. Rocks heat up or melt without too much difficulty, but imagine a rat trying to chew their way through a cave wall.
While I could see that, it would mean that Steel would have to be even MORE immune to Normal...
Steel is a great conductor of sound. IDK about rock
@@Watch-0w1 Solid objects in general are quite good at conducting sounds, even if one can't easily hear it unless they press their ears against it. That said, metals are better at it than rocks, even if by not a lot.
@@Watch-0w1 I keep forgetting Sound is basically Special Normal.
"You can't stab a wave" is such a raw sentence
It's also the title of my new album!
That won’t stop Adam West!
S.T.A.B
I’m thinking of that image of someone taking a pair of scissors to water running from a faucet
Raw? What's that?
The type Ice should get an immunity to is Electric, As Pure Ice without any impurties doesn't conduct electricity.
(Honestly using this fact i think Ice type should have a resistance to electric type in the main games)
Have you ever considered making a "what if every pokemon had a 'secondary immunity'?"
how poison, fire and electric are immune to a status, rock/ ground/ steel to weather, grass to powder, dark to prankster etc.
No, but somebody mentioned something like that earlier, I think it's a really good idea!
3:47 personally I disagree I’d side with water. Since adding water to ice would just make more ice. Plus ice doesn’t get eroded like ground does. I just feel like that makes more sense
Some of these make more sense as resistances rather than full on immunities like the water being immune to steel should be more of a resistance imo.
Well it already does resist Steel though, but I see what you mean...
11:49 I believe the Ice type should be immune to Poison. Or at least resist it.
Makes no sense
One change I would proffer is half meme, half serious: I think Ice's immunity should be ice. Not only is it a little funny that, when given an opportunity to strengthen the worst type's defensive matchups, we double down on the one thing it already had going for it, but also, like, just imagine throwing a snowball at a snowman. Or icicles hitting on an iceberg. I think it makes complete sense.
Then again, immune to itself seems pretty reasonable for a lot of types, not just ice. Fire and Water both spring to mind, pun not intended. "Oh no, it's MORE of the stuff I'm made of, what-ever shall I do!?"
Rock merely being Resistant to Fire makes a lot more sense than it being Immune, since Rocks can actually be melted down with enough heat, that's what Magma/Lava is afterall, and smelting is very much a thing
The problem with Water being immune to Steel is that pretty much all fishing devices (Poles, Hooks, Spears etc) are best in their most modern sense with metal barbs and points. As Water type mostly means fish rather than just a personification of water, then Steel is actually a pretty good thing to use against Water types
I get your point, but I take issue with the Water type being "Fish" because I've not counted it up, but I'm fairly certain Water has more other creatures over plain old fish, and has for a while...
But mostly sealife. Plus what the different from saying water immune to rock.
I think water should be immune to fire@@emperorcubone
I thought of Grass being immune to Water, but the justification for Fairy is a more convincing argument.
It works better for balance too in my opinion!
I've personally never thought it made sense why steel is immune to poison. Sure, you can't "poison" a metal plate but you can't poison lightning or flames either.
If anything, given that many poison attacks relate to acid or corrosion, it should be super effective against steel as the corrosion is one of the major things that cripples metal structures. It affects metal in ways that it wouldn't affect other "elemental" types.
In exchange, going by the theme of the video, I'd say electric makes more sense. The conductive properties of water make electric SE because almost all of the water Pokémon are creatures living in water rather than creatures composed partly of water. However, if you were either made of metal or had metal armour, the conductive properties make work in your favour (passing harmlessly through you and into the ground) or it could act like a Faraday Cage and protect you from electric fields.
If it wasn’t for ghost being immune to fighting already, I would’ve had psychic be immune to fighting too.
I could punch a nerd like Kadabra
Personally, i think I could justify Bug being immune to Psychic because insects aren't really intelligent, and so they would likely not be deceived by things that require intelligence. And it would also play into WolfeyVGC's proposal that Bug could be immune to the Confusion status.
Huh, that'd be pretty cool too since Bug was supposed to be the other counter to Psychic. So even if they had no strong Bug attacks at least they could sit there and be immune to Sabrina, so that'd work out great!
Yeah psychic should be immune to fighting
@@Watch-0w1 that is not the point
@@TrafalgarLaw0012 isnt? For the same reason bug resist, fighting mind can be hacked
@@Watch-0w1 You can still beat up a telepath
Ok now do the reverse video. What if every type had something immune to it.
I'd love to see the starter trio immune to eachother.
Grass -> Water
Fire -> Grass
Water -> Fire
Might make rival battles more interesting.
I disagree with fire being immune to ice. First off, a solid chunk of ice is surprisingly resistant to heat, meaning it wouldn't melt instantly. Second, let's not forget that ice is still water. As the ice melts on the fire, it will melt and become water, which would in turn damage the fire.
Now grass, on the other hand, I don't see it doing ANYTHING to the fire. That burns off way (and I mean WAY) faster than ice melts, so it probably wouldn't even reach the fire itself before burning out. Also, it wouldn't leave a puddle of water, threatening the fire.
Yes but that would mess up the starters
I think fire should be inmune to flying, since air is needed to get a flame Alive.
Fire and ice should be super effective to each other throwing snow on fire puts it out and a flamethrower melts ice. The active element wins
@@gambleralex5083 Right? I remember playing Dragonfable back in the days, and Fire and Ice were mutually super effective on each other most of the time! Although in that game, it's not always 2x damage, and I believe most of the time fire was 200% on ice while ice was 150% on fire.
I would honestly just give Dragon an immunity to Fire.
Tbh... in that case Dragon should be immune to Water and Grass too.. i mean... Dragon already resist them anyways.
@ no Knight ever burned a dragon to death, but I’m sure that plenty were drowned in moats and shot down by arrows.
@@HesGotaGun505 I mean... i don't disagree with you... but my reasoning is that if Dragon is immune to Fire, in Pokemon, it should also be immune to Grass and Water, since they are the starter types.
@@nickdentoom1173not all resistances follow that though. Even balance wise the starter types are wildly different, waters over there with 2 weaknesses and grass has 5
Unfortunately, there are flowers growing in Antarctica. Don't think about it too long if you want to be happy for the rest of the day
Fighting not being immune to ghost has always been a crime in my eyes. What about being strong/buff makes you more susceptible to phantom attacks??
@@rainbow_vader I've always construed Fighting types as them having more control over their Aura/Life Energy/Infinity Energy, making them more susceptible to the paranormal.
"There's a reason we have no greenery in antarctica."
We shouldn't at least😓
The mind over mater is literally why psychic is supper effective against poison, so it also being why psychic is immune to poison would still make sense.
"I mean, there's a reason we don't have grennery in Antarctica."
Yeeeeeah, um... about that...
8:20 Once again, Fairy - because I’ve killed plenty of flying pests with a single swing, and I’ve never been professionally trained in any form of martial arts. If anything, it’s a cliche to have a well trained martial artist catch a fly with ease.
These would make really good new Starter triads, where you would have to be more strategic in battling against your Rival's starter.
Other than the obvious temperature problems, Antarctica is also a desert. So there's that.
Maybe next video could be all new abilities to make immunities to every type and an example of a pokemon that could use it
2:55 For me the opposite, I always thought ice should be super effective against fire, because it's literally water. They should be super effective against each other. I never understood why water is strong vs fire but not ice
I mostly agree
I would personally swap the Bug-type and Dragon-type immunities since a lot of bugs can see in the dark and a combatant can’t do too much against a dragon with a sword to throw, which would imply the Steel-type.
Dark type is not a literal darkness, its the evil type
@ What’s the explanation for the Bug-type being super-effective then?
@minecraftmatthew1393 In Japan, Tokusatsu Heroes (You know, stuff like Power Rangers) is extremely popular there. So much so that bugs have gained a heroic reputation. I believe it had that reputation before this event too, but I don't exactly remember how or when that came to be. Regardless, because of these heroes, you know, lean towards goodness, and Dark types represent any evil/malice/underhanded tactics, the bugs win, because good guys always win. It's also the reason Fairy types win against Dark types too, but I believe you should know this already, so I don't know why I'm mentioning this...
@ Thank you for explaining! I love learning about things that get lost in translation!
@minecraftmatthew1393 You're welcome, truly.
Good video, ice honestly is in dire need of an immunity.
I love the steel water concept because that applies to literally anything, throwing a rock at water doesn’t really do much, punching water doesn't do very much, a bug going into water doesn't do much (to the water), darkness doesn’t do much to water, and so on
An argument for Dragon could be that they do not fear the darkness.
Fairy being immune to dragon actually makes sense because of LORE
Oh, ok this is cool too, I thought this video was like trying to see if there was at least 1 Mon in the game of each type that could have an immunity, like Pokémon with levitate or water absorb, probably excluding Wonder guard tho, cause that's weird to qualify
i mean if you wanna avoid making grass even weaker and give ice an edge, make ice immune to water. what happens when you throw water at ice, you make more ice.
5:33 I mean, it is possible to melt a rock with enough heat
There's lava plume, eruption, magma storm
Maybe you can make lava plume supper effective against rock in that case
3:54
There is in fact some areas in Antarctica that has JUUUUUUUST enough thaw to permit some moss to grow.
So while the ammount is negligible, saying that there is no green in Antarctica is surprisingly incorrect.
Cool idea but could you imagine every duel type in the game having 2 immunities, 3 with the right ability 😂 game would be chaos
That's right, and it would be so fun!
@ with this system and the right abilities like water absorb and Earth eater I wonder if there's a team of 6 with immunities to all 18 types
Fire being immune to ice with the logic of fire melting the ice doesn't work, as the ice becomes water, which is SE against fire. If anything, it's the argument for why ice should be SE against fire itself.
I did think it through, trust me; if you try and stab a Fire with an Icicle it will turn to water when melting, that's true, but the quantity of water would not be enough to extinguish the flames...
@@emperorcubonei honestly could’ve seen fire and ice being one of those types that are super effective against each other. Honestly I always wondered why they never did that. It’s sort of their with bug resisting each other, but they have never made 2 types super effective against each other. One think I could’ve seen is Water and electric being good against each other since water can short circuit electronics. In Dragon city water and electric were strong against each other.
@@emperorcubone yeah but in that same token a campfire isn’t gonna melt a whole iceberg, the fire will be put out by the cold. I think it just makes more sense for the two types to be effective against each other. Fire needs heat to burn after all.
Personally, I liked Gen 1s take, where fire was super effective against ice and ice was normal effective against fire. Fire can thaw out ice based attacks but also is drained of energy by the cold, cancelling it out and resulting in normal effectiveness.
7:10 Makes sense now that my Venusaur was able to sweep Valerie's gym.
I don't know how you come up with these unique topics!
Sometimes it just comes to me, but sometimes intense brainstorming is required...
Fun rock fact: they explode with too much heat and lava/magma is molten rocks.
And that works for all the Rock types that keep using Explosion anyway!
This is honestly such another cool video idea mannnn, always loved your stuff
Rocks melt in fire
And a mountain can explode due to fire
I love these changes. Do note there are abilities that makes you immune to certain types though, leaving rock type moves the only save option is kinda "ok" consiering most of them are innacurate.
True, Water Absorb and Dry Skin could still counter the Water.
Wow, this works a million times better than I could have ever imagined, I like the mix up that Ice gets in particular. Giving a frail type an immunity would make it more appealing.
And then they might actually put it in the the early game!!
3:55, sadly, that's not true anymore 😔
If Fairy didn’t exist I could see Ice being immune to Dragon.
I was expecting Ice to be immune to Water instead of Grass along the lines of the water just freezing before it even reaches the pokemon
Nice video Emperor Cubone.The only thing I would change is to make ice immune to water
So what you are presenting is a new a starter trio with Electric, Flying, and Ground.
I would love that more than words can express! It'd be so cool!
@@emperorcubone it will be a refreshing experience
Fighting being immune to ghost would made the Fighting/Psychic type harder to beat.
2 notes:
ik this video isnt thinking too much about the ramifications, but electric having an immunity to a fairly common offensive type and only one weakness would be a bit nuts (ik this applies to normal, but normal also is not a good offensive type and has no resistances)
also, if fire melted the ice type move, what would it turn into? by the logic that the fire would melt the ice, ice beam turns into water gun, which fire is weak to.
To me, it makes more sense for Fighting to be immune to Poison, and Psychic to be immune to Ghost. Based on the same reasons you gave in the video.
Fighting types train their bodies so well that no toxins could harm them, and Psychic types are able to mind over matter any possession.
Mechanically that does make one of Psychics weaknesses into an immunity, but if they were to rebalance the chart, they could use another type that's heavily related to a common fear
Bugs are only frail because they're so small. If we actually upscaled them, they'd be monstruous biological tanks! IMO they'd be immune to Ground (burrowing) or Dark (the latter maybe because of Tokusatsu heroes in japan?)
The reason fairy is immune to dragon is because fairy represents fairytale creatures and good, and in fairytales the protagonist (aka the good guy) always slays the dragon
Ice immune to Water with the exception of Scald (super heated water move)
Water immune to Fire with the exception of Evaporate (made up fire move)
Fire immune to Ice with the exception of ????? (made up Ice move)
Creates another nice, little immunity triad. Gives an out to each type. And makes sense.
@@DrTimes99 While it's nice you want an interesting triad or so, making Water types immune to Fire type moves is really bad for balance, not just in competitive where Water types are prized defensive players but also for the playthroughs as well since it's easy to understand why the Grass, Water, Fire trio works. Making one of the first type interactions for kids complicated from the getgo isn't exactly what I'd call good. And it breaks one of the most well known triads to begin with, so not a good plan, in my opinion.
Edit: Giving further clarity.
That'd be cool! I could get behind that one too.
You're right I forgot about that
Water immune to Fire will make Archie and Team Aqua mocked Maxie and Team Magma even more 😅
I'd take anything to make the bugs better 😭
I was guessing you’d pick water for something that doesn’t affect ice. Feels natural to me.
Aura Sphere is a fighting type move, but it’s an attack where the user throws an orb of some sort and spiritual energy or something similar. It’s literally throwing a piece of the Force at someone. That move should ignore the ghost type immunity to fighting type moves.
Ooh, I would love if Aura Sphere could hit Ghosts! That'd be awesome.
Why the implication that fairy doesn't have a reason to be immune to dragon??? Literally every one of fairy's type matchups makes sense with actual fairy lore.
Rock being immune to fire would nullify lava Pokémon. Magma is rock in its MOST non-immune to Fire state.
Instead of changing up the type chart, I like to think up of abilities and items that could provide type immunities
Items (all work like Air Balloon):
-Haunted Sheet: Normal and Fighting immunity
-Ceramic Rod/Mud Armour: Electric immunity
-Wicked Hat: Psychic immunity (Tinfoil hat)
-Insect Spray: Bug immunity
Abilities:
-Nonstick Coat: Poison and sticky barb immunity
-Draconic Absorb: heals when hit with Dragon type attack
-Disbelief: Fairy and Intimidate immunity
-Igneous Armour: +1 attack when hit by a fire type attack
Bonus: Moves that provide immunity
-Mushroom ring: dragon immunity for 3 turns or until the opponent uses a fire type move
-Salt Circle: ghost immunity for 3 turns or until the opponent uses a flying type move
If we wait long enough they probably will create one for every type eventually!
I will say that I think poison being immune to bug isn’t the best choice; I would actually think it should be the other way around! Bugs are actually pretty good at developing resistances to chemicals, and quite a few bugs actually utilize dangerous chemicals in various ways! Of course I understand that lore is only part of the decisions here, so whichever way it makes sense is fine!
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So one of the only ways to cut extremely thick steel is to introduce water, or straight up cut steel is pure pressurized water
Personally I think it would be funny to have Psychic immune to steel purely for the joke of psychic types showing their strength by bending metal like in the Matrix XD
Poison should have been immune to fairy
I could see it! Would've been fair since Steel is immune to Poison, and Fairy also has an immunity!
@emperorcubone I think game freak should have done this in gen 6 as poison was mainly used for its defencive capabilities ✨️
It would be interesting if certain type combos had immunites.
With that logic water should be immune to rock as well
There's some types that should me immune to themselves. Water, fire, electric, ice...
Great video, but ice should be immune to water because it would freeze any water which came into contact with it
A lot of logic here flies out the window... for eg. 5:06 Lava exists for a reason, its molten rock (technically not fire, but its the heat that has melted the rock), 3:00 apply your logic to fire and ice- if you throw a lit match stick at a glacier what would happen?, 4:28 bugs have been known to grow resistant to insecticides within a few generations prime example being the locust. I mean, I get the preface of the video, but I cant help but think its a tad bit lazy.
I mean not his fault. It's a hard thing to balance.
Maybe rock should be immune to normal
Fire should be immune to grass
I guess poison should be immune to fighting
I’d have made dragon immune to fire as fire is a highly underrated type and it makes more sense thematically
I could see that too; it already resists Fire so it wouldn't be too far of a stretch to be immune.
Ice should be immune to water, as adding water to ice would just result in more ice. In fact, wouldn’t in be interesting if pokemon added types that had draining effects, sort of like water absorb, but as an innate ability? Like, if ice was healed by all water type attacks?
I think psychic being immune to psychic would be interesting. We already have 2 types that are super effective on themselves, but none that are immune to themselves. It would make sense that one psychic wouldn’t be affected by another.
Hmm, I could see that working; it already resists itself so taken to its logical end two masters would be immune to each other.
Bros type chart has no fairy
honestly the idea of dragon being immune to dark for the reason of 'unable to be so easily tricked' since dark as much represents pure evil malice as it does fighting dirty or underhanded conduct. can't use a dragons own strength against it its far to experienced in combat for that given how often in tales dragons are harassed by would be heroes besides that sneaking around a target for a weak point to strike only works if they have one at all. fighting is super effective against dark by similar logic, a type that wants to evade and strike only in the weak points is unprepared and fare poorly in a direct brawl.
Love this video, but what about having water being immune to fire? The flame attacks could just be snuffed out when hitting the very wet water types.
I still think flying and grounds relationship woth electric make no sense, electricity will always try to go to grpind so anything flying will not be able to be hit with an eletirf move. How does thay mean its hit super eletric
@@jackdaleggett7184 Anything higher up in the air has a higher chance of being struck by lightning. There's a reason tall buildings have lightning rods and there's a reason airplanes get hit by them sometimes (Though, they don't get especially damaged thanks to their construction). So, a bird could die if they're unlucky enough in real life and in the case of someone controlling said electricity? Even more so...
Every type having an immunity?
The Zororark Fusions in Pokemon Infinite Fusion are intrigued by this. (because comboing the Illusion ability with immunities can be so much fun.) :)
I didn't think u meant only type immunities. Imo it'd be more interesting for other type of immunities like how dark is immune to prankster amd grass is immune to powder
Maybe that could be next time?
Rocks have a lower melting point than steel and rocks can explode from heating up.
Ice should be immune to water. More water just means more ice.
Dragon should be immune to normal.
Also, I always thought when Fire hits Ice, it should be super effective then do something where the ice becomes water. Like the Ice types then becomes Super effective against fire (only if it survives the first fire hit)
Idk if bugs can resist fighting, I can kick a bug and stomp it on the floor and it just dies
I'm gonna write this before the Dragon segment but:
If the only thing that can beat a dragon is another dragon then in contrary the only thing that can tank a dragon's attack is another dragon.
Make dragon immune to dragon!
Haha, it somehow makes sense, but also makes no sense at the same time!
Actually bugs should be immune to poison instead. They are straight up poison warfare veterans. Only things that reliably kill bugs without them developing immunity next generation are physical irritants which is basically microscopic saws or salt or something that works on physics and not chemistry.
Immunity to water makes more sense to ice for me.
Ice being immune to Water would make more sence