I enjoyed the Clearing House discussion. I too would like to see a fair (whatever that may be) percentage of every NIL deal go into a fund that gets redistributed to all players. I'm curious what NIL could do for a raising a program's ceiling. Let's say Gerry Jones and/or The Walton family wanted to make Arkansas great or Phil Knight w/ Oregon, etc.
It's going to allow schools with big money to grow, potentially, to the extent they do NIL deals. But those are mostly going to be the schools that already have money and a following, anyway. It's not like Oregon is some scrub program - they just won their conference and have competed for titles.
Hard pass, on a base level redistribution is shitty but going further look at Georgia’s state law that takes up to 75% of a players earnings and redistributes it, with the school determining how much they’ll be returned by years of service. You have guys who haven’t played a meaningful snap signing massive NIL deals, their teammates now haven’t contributed to that at all. I guess the question is do you want your salary at work to go into a pool and redistribute it evenly among everyone on payroll regardless of responsibility
@@cshayes2 We have qbs who haven't played a meaningful snap yet doing million dollar deals and we are doing to act like it's not because of the value of the brand on the front of the jersey?
@@CollegeFootballNerds it could be, a number one player like Quinn Ewers or Bryce young would get that money basically anywhere, but that’s different than saying we should redistribute it to other players who are lesser known. I don’t buy that for a second considering a gymnast I’ve never heard of and I’m sure most CFB fans have never heard of is supposedly the most valuable college athlete.
Not a bad solution at all yall. I like it. It would help a wider range of players and possibly cut down on the wild west possibilities of NIL. With that said, I would for individual players to still get a big deal afterwards. For example, run initial deals with the program through a clearinghouse/collective bargaining but then afterwards, if the company/sponsor/etc would like to, do an individual deal as well. There are still issues there but I think it has potential.
Would the clearing house model have to be implemented school by school, state by state, by the conferences individually, or by the NCAA? Idk the legal side of it.
Recruiting is basically free agency now but it already was for some schools so hopefully this actually levels the playing field for some. As you said though, the lack of a draft means that building a program basically impossible.
The biased lsu fan in me sees how they are already embracing NIL and only see benefits, but logically for the sport as a whole you guys have the right argument. This plus conference consolidation on the horizon and the number of teams who "matter" in any sense is about to shrink even more.
I wonder if CFB Nerds should sponsor a player? 🤔 On a side note: I keep seeing folks discuss geography in regards to NIL, e.g. smaller teams in bigger cities having an competitive advantage. Is this being overstated? It certainly won't bump these smaller programs to the upper crust. What I'm wondering is, how much stratification will NIL create among these lower tier teams solely due to their location. So many companies are national/regional/web-based, and I don't see a company like Coca-Cola getting more involved with players just because they're in Atlanta vs. Los Angeles. Thoughts?
So the first string qb should spend all their free time shooting ads, running camps, and making appearances and they only get 10% then they still have to do the same work at practice, in the weight room, and more work and responsibility on the field as compared to the 3rd string RT?
Are you saying that he /shouldn't/ have to actually practice and do everything required of him as a player, and should instead be allowed to spend all his time shooting ads and making appearances?
@@CollegeFootballNerds his remark was a remark and situation Oklahoma and Texas took. What can you do for me. I am the reason, not caring about the others who gained for little at the expense of others.
@@CollegeFootballNerds I think his point was that the 1st string QB would only get 10% of the money after working all of the extra time + the practice, video, lifting, etc that is incumbent on all players.
I fear we've basically done away with all the things that the NCAA had rules for that made sense. Scholly limits, transfers, etc. All out the window. This is a very good point you've made.
unless the walk on is on a full scholarship (like academic) they will probably be losing money since college cost thousands of dollars and a big schools like probably cost at least 20K (probably more) a semester after financial aid
I like the 10-15% pool idea, but I also feel that there needs to be an insurance program for all athletes and an additional payment on top of the scholarship, not much base, but something like 10k as they spend all of their time devoted to football, plus bonus payments for every additional game. Sec championship game? All players i the game make 20k extra, winners get an additional 10k on top of that. Playoff game 1? 30k for each player, 15k on top of that. N6 bowl game not in the playoffs? 40k and 15k. Regular bowl game? 30k and 20k to encourage the players to join in amd do their best. Championship game? 50k and winners bring in an additional 25k.
Hey guys wish the NCAA had hired you two as consultants to explain what they should actually do. One irony: Steve Deace went on a long time how this would help Cincinnati a lot. Very interesting you also discussed Cincinnati at length and came to the exact opposite conclusion.
We have this out with G5 fans a ton. I think it boils down to the belief that if G5 teams get "access" into a playoff, then suddenly their brand will grow and they'll become relevant and pull in recruits. Our opinion is the opposite - expansion of playoffs or NIL will just let more of the big powers in, who will beat the G5s, and they'll be able to leverage their monetary advantages more. A lot of people struggle with this, in our opinion, because they don't (or won't) realize just how insurmountable the brand/funding gap already is in this sport. The more you can leverage it, the worse it gets.
For my own selfies reasons of liking CFB, I always feared this day and NIL because parity (although every ready not great) is about to go to the waste side. I do like the CBA solution and it's a good middle ground but I can already see the push back of players having to share their pay.
Great breakdown as always! Question: Do you see schools and/or businesses of schools being able to incentivize players like coaches? For example; “If CJ Stroud throws for 40+ TD’s you’ll get $$ as a bonus”
This actually sounds like a really cool idea, that would have huge unintended consequences "I audibled out of that run to a pass because I needed 3 TDs to hit my sponsor bonus).
Collective bargaining would push out the local "mom and pop" businesses. They may be able to come up with $10,000, but who in that situation can afford $100,000 in order to pay the player $10,000? So you're saying that only companies with marketing budgets of hundreds of thousands of dollars can participate. I thought the idea was to allow local companies to take a risk by paying a local hero to hawk your goods and services. (Small biz owner here.)
And the players would still get a cut directly (could be a sliding scale based on how much the deal is for) to incentivize the actual work of doing the promotion
I thought before NIL became reality things like these crazy TV deals and other things the players could've gotten a percentage of. The ncaa would know where the money came from and could've beenc, distributed evenly across the board. I think this was put in place to "influence " the signature of players.
Your idea is interesting but the issue that will pop up from you proposal is the under the table money that has gone on for years is still going to happen. The players are still going to get bought
I absolutely hate how uncontrolled NIL is being implemented. And I absolutely believe that we will see some program’s rise up by massively wealthy boosters simply buying a collection of top players.
I think the biggest unintended consequence on the horizon, is that weakening of the NCAA, will lead to rampant academic misbehavior. We still want them to be students, after all.
NIL, as is, lacks the bumpers to avoid unintended consequences...no valid argument exists to convince me otherwise...however, the NCAA is NOT going to be the solution. They already failed at applying rules objectively. You guys have the right view of it.
Ok, I hear "equity" and I cringe... but i also see the glaring issues you bring up. I take question with the idea of a pool for the players having any impact. If a single guy wants to get paid... schools will still use a bagman, if they cannot do it in broad daylight without spending way more up front. #2 even If you spread the money out among the team, the richest programs will look way better for a 3rd string RG, so rich will still get richer. #3 if you use a % of that money to fund scholarships, or other school sports, (assuming the "rich" schools will benefit the most) then again schools will adjust their budgets to rely on NIL and then be able to cut direct funding and abuse this, if you see where I am going with that. Love the content. BOOMER
How long before a team offers a student a million dollar NIL deal, if he transfers to their school? Will a weakened NCAA even be able to police that stuff, that clearly is a violation for the school?
Sorry everyone. College football is over. It might take a few years, but in 5 years it will be replaced by a more corporate type of league and will morph into NFL minor league and won't be associated with higher learning institutions. Game over. It was a fun ride for a 100 years.
NIL is dumb AF in its current state, all it did was make it impossible to track down cheating. Booster A owns this business. Offers said recruit NIL contract.....Recruit goes to X school. Rinse and repeat. Great Video you nailed it with the exploitation.
The universities treat college football it as a business Coaches treat college football as a business NCCA treat college football as a business Vegas treat college football as a business ESPN, CBS, Fox sports treat college football as a business Fans treat college football as a business with betting Nike, under armour and every other sports apparel co treat it as a business Its only when the players the ones actually generating all of the revenue wants to treat it as a business now everyone has a problem
And if you destroy the sport, no one gets to treat it as a business. I'm curious if you actually bothered to watch the video, because they aren't saying NIL is bad. What they, and a lot of people, are saying, is that maybe we need some regulations. Lots of businesses have regulations they have to operate within. Pro sports have tons of regulations regarding salaries. I think they're on the right track because the current system is going to greatly benefit a few schools and a few players at each school, but the players further down the depth chart aren't going to benefit very much and smaller schools are going to suffer. The gap between the schools at the top and everyone else is already wide, this just grows it larger.
I hate to be so pessimistic about the sport I've always loved most, but I just can't see a world where this is beneficial. Frankly I'm not even sure the sport survives. We're only one step or two away from a flat out pro league with school logos slapped on it, and short term monetary gain is pulling heavily in that direction. At some point people will stop caring when they realize it's just another NFL with inferior talent and less parity. At least your NFL team gets a nice draft pick after a shitty season; your college team will get its best players yoinked by a rival after a 4-8 year. Why would they stick around when they could go make more money next year playing on a winning team, especially when they were draft bound after that year anyways? Maybe it turns around, but since the only ethos governing the sport is "How big can we make the next TV deal?", I'm really not feeling very hopeful.
This is getting bad. Schools with big pockets will buy out everybody. This isn’t right. I’m all for athletes getting side money but there needs to be some regulation here.
Regulating bodies will definitely emerge with time as we see the effects of NIL. Then in 20 years we will look at this time as when college football instantly became the wild west, which led to the professionalization of college athletics. And I think it's going to be a slow but absolutely necessary process.
I understand your concerns and their valid. CFN perspectives addresses the inequities that plague NIL. However, in this climate ...the first thing the bad actors will claim...socialism. IMO most of those who use that argument couldn't explain the theory if the read the definition....and this is from a die hard entrepreneurial capitalist 😏
And really it's just regulation. And regulation is on a spectrum. What we're doing now is hyper focusing on the individual "getting theirs" at the ultimate expense of there being a college football for future individuals to get anything, including an education.
That into music just gives me that football feeling
For some reason UGA football comes to mind when I hear it
College football needs a commissioner and a player union much like the NFL. Great video peace
I enjoyed the Clearing House discussion. I too would like to see a fair (whatever that may be) percentage of every NIL deal go into a fund that gets redistributed to all players.
I'm curious what NIL could do for a raising a program's ceiling. Let's say Gerry Jones and/or The Walton family wanted to make Arkansas great or Phil Knight w/ Oregon, etc.
It's going to allow schools with big money to grow, potentially, to the extent they do NIL deals. But those are mostly going to be the schools that already have money and a following, anyway. It's not like Oregon is some scrub program - they just won their conference and have competed for titles.
Hard pass, on a base level redistribution is shitty but going further look at Georgia’s state law that takes up to 75% of a players earnings and redistributes it, with the school determining how much they’ll be returned by years of service. You have guys who haven’t played a meaningful snap signing massive NIL deals, their teammates now haven’t contributed to that at all. I guess the question is do you want your salary at work to go into a pool and redistribute it evenly among everyone on payroll regardless of responsibility
@@cshayes2 We have qbs who haven't played a meaningful snap yet doing million dollar deals and we are doing to act like it's not because of the value of the brand on the front of the jersey?
@@CollegeFootballNerds it could be, a number one player like Quinn Ewers or Bryce young would get that money basically anywhere, but that’s different than saying we should redistribute it to other players who are lesser known. I don’t buy that for a second considering a gymnast I’ve never heard of and I’m sure most CFB fans have never heard of is supposedly the most valuable college athlete.
Awesome breakdown!
Good stuff guys, I feel more educated on NIL now. You made some good points
NIL will bring back SMU football!!
Not a bad solution at all yall. I like it. It would help a wider range of players and possibly cut down on the wild west possibilities of NIL. With that said, I would for individual players to still get a big deal afterwards. For example, run initial deals with the program through a clearinghouse/collective bargaining but then afterwards, if the company/sponsor/etc would like to, do an individual deal as well. There are still issues there but I think it has potential.
Even if the split is 60/40 or the like, it's still a big step in the right direction. But the current (lack of a) system is ripe for exploitation.
I think there are locker room cohesion aspects to this as well. Maybe that would be a good topic for a player guest, if you ever go down that road.
Would the clearing house model have to be implemented school by school, state by state, by the conferences individually, or by the NCAA? Idk the legal side of it.
Recruiting is basically free agency now but it already was for some schools so hopefully this actually levels the playing field for some. As you said though, the lack of a draft means that building a program basically impossible.
So it turns out that SMU was really just ahead of their time.
Gotta stop watching this at like 6 or 7am lol. Now I want whiskey. Keep it up gents, appreciate it
The biased lsu fan in me sees how they are already embracing NIL and only see benefits, but logically for the sport as a whole you guys have the right argument. This plus conference consolidation on the horizon and the number of teams who "matter" in any sense is about to shrink even more.
I wonder if CFB Nerds should sponsor a player? 🤔
On a side note: I keep seeing folks discuss geography in regards to NIL, e.g. smaller teams in bigger cities having an competitive advantage. Is this being overstated? It certainly won't bump these smaller programs to the upper crust. What I'm wondering is, how much stratification will NIL create among these lower tier teams solely due to their location. So many companies are national/regional/web-based, and I don't see a company like Coca-Cola getting more involved with players just because they're in Atlanta vs. Los Angeles. Thoughts?
So the first string qb should spend all their free time shooting ads, running camps, and making appearances and they only get 10% then they still have to do the same work at practice, in the weight room, and more work and responsibility on the field as compared to the 3rd string RT?
Are you saying that he /shouldn't/ have to actually practice and do everything required of him as a player, and should instead be allowed to spend all his time shooting ads and making appearances?
@@CollegeFootballNerds his remark was a remark and situation Oklahoma and Texas took. What can you do for me. I am the reason, not caring about the others who gained for little at the expense of others.
@@CollegeFootballNerds I think his point was that the 1st string QB would only get 10% of the money after working all of the extra time + the practice, video, lifting, etc that is incumbent on all players.
Have ya’ll considered that now walkons can be paid so basically we’re back to unlimited scholarships so the big guys can stockpile players?
I fear we've basically done away with all the things that the NCAA had rules for that made sense. Scholly limits, transfers, etc. All out the window. This is a very good point you've made.
NCAA is now pay to win. Well, now without breaking rules.
unless the walk on is on a full scholarship (like academic) they will probably be losing money since college cost thousands of dollars and a big schools like probably cost at least 20K (probably more) a semester after financial aid
@@ToxicConfusionZ It's always been like that. Schools need facilities and good coaches to become successful, and they can cost a lot of money...
When the NCAA said that they were going to do the "bare minimum" in this new age of college athletics I knew this was going to get messy
I like the 10-15% pool idea, but I also feel that there needs to be an insurance program for all athletes and an additional payment on top of the scholarship, not much base, but something like 10k as they spend all of their time devoted to football, plus bonus payments for every additional game.
Sec championship game? All players i the game make 20k extra, winners get an additional 10k on top of that.
Playoff game 1? 30k for each player, 15k on top of that.
N6 bowl game not in the playoffs? 40k and 15k.
Regular bowl game? 30k and 20k to encourage the players to join in amd do their best.
Championship game? 50k and winners bring in an additional 25k.
Hey guys wish the NCAA had hired you two as consultants to explain what they should actually do.
One irony: Steve Deace went on a long time how this would help Cincinnati a lot. Very interesting you also discussed Cincinnati at length and came to the exact opposite conclusion.
We have this out with G5 fans a ton. I think it boils down to the belief that if G5 teams get "access" into a playoff, then suddenly their brand will grow and they'll become relevant and pull in recruits. Our opinion is the opposite - expansion of playoffs or NIL will just let more of the big powers in, who will beat the G5s, and they'll be able to leverage their monetary advantages more. A lot of people struggle with this, in our opinion, because they don't (or won't) realize just how insurmountable the brand/funding gap already is in this sport. The more you can leverage it, the worse it gets.
Good ideas
For my own selfies reasons of liking CFB, I always feared this day and NIL because parity (although every ready not great) is about to go to the waste side. I do like the CBA solution and it's a good middle ground but I can already see the push back of players having to share their pay.
Great breakdown as always! Question: Do you see schools and/or businesses of schools being able to incentivize players like coaches? For example; “If CJ Stroud throws for 40+ TD’s you’ll get $$ as a bonus”
This actually sounds like a really cool idea, that would have huge unintended consequences "I audibled out of that run to a pass because I needed 3 TDs to hit my sponsor bonus).
It’s so funny looking back on this in 2024. Businesses recruiting people haha 😂
Collective bargaining would push out the local "mom and pop" businesses. They may be able to come up with $10,000, but who in that situation can afford $100,000 in order to pay the player $10,000? So you're saying that only companies with marketing budgets of hundreds of thousands of dollars can participate. I thought the idea was to allow local companies to take a risk by paying a local hero to hawk your goods and services. (Small biz owner here.)
No any and all money would go into the pool. My guess is that it would be far more mom and pops then $100,000 deals
And the players would still get a cut directly (could be a sliding scale based on how much the deal is for) to incentivize the actual work of doing the promotion
I thought before NIL became reality things like these crazy TV deals and other things the players could've gotten a percentage of. The ncaa would know where the money came from and could've beenc, distributed evenly across the board. I think this was put in place to "influence " the signature of players.
Your idea is interesting but the issue that will pop up from you proposal is the under the table money that has gone on for years is still going to happen. The players are still going to get bought
I absolutely hate how uncontrolled NIL is being implemented. And I absolutely believe that we will see some program’s rise up by massively wealthy boosters simply buying a collection of top players.
The reality is that college football has always been about haves and have nots. This is going to make the gap explode to a wider margin.
I think the biggest unintended consequence on the horizon, is that weakening of the NCAA, will lead to rampant academic misbehavior. We still want them to be students, after all.
NIL, as is, lacks the bumpers to avoid unintended consequences...no valid argument exists to convince me otherwise...however, the NCAA is NOT going to be the solution. They already failed at applying rules objectively. You guys have the right view of it.
NCAA had a shot to get out in front of it and totally bungled it. I think the super conferences will end up breaking away and starting fresh.
@@CollegeFootballNerds which puts me in this weird position where I now have to root for the arrival of superconferences...lol.
Ok, I hear "equity" and I cringe... but i also see the glaring issues you bring up. I take question with the idea of a pool for the players having any impact. If a single guy wants to get paid... schools will still use a bagman, if they cannot do it in broad daylight without spending way more up front.
#2 even If you spread the money out among the team, the richest programs will look way better for a 3rd string RG, so rich will still get richer.
#3 if you use a % of that money to fund scholarships, or other school sports, (assuming the "rich" schools will benefit the most) then again schools will adjust their budgets to rely on NIL and then be able to cut direct funding and abuse this, if you see where I am going with that. Love the content.
BOOMER
How long before a team offers a student a million dollar NIL deal, if he transfers to their school? Will a weakened NCAA even be able to police that stuff, that clearly is a violation for the school?
Sorry everyone. College football is over. It might take a few years, but in 5 years it will be replaced by a more corporate type of league and will morph into NFL minor league and won't be associated with higher learning institutions. Game over. It was a fun ride for a 100 years.
The NFLification of the gameday experience started bout 10 years ago and I think it's going to take over the sport.
NIL is dumb AF in its current state, all it did was make it impossible to track down cheating. Booster A owns this business. Offers said recruit NIL contract.....Recruit goes to X school. Rinse and repeat. Great Video you nailed it with the exploitation.
Ok, now I'm offended. Pittsburg business owners you stay hell away from my Mahomie.
The universities treat college football it as a business
Coaches treat college football as a business
NCCA treat college football as a business
Vegas treat college football as a business
ESPN, CBS, Fox sports treat college football as a business
Fans treat college football as a business with betting
Nike, under armour and every other sports apparel co treat it as a business
Its only when the players the ones actually generating all of the revenue wants to treat it as a business now everyone has a problem
And if you destroy the sport, no one gets to treat it as a business. I'm curious if you actually bothered to watch the video, because they aren't saying NIL is bad. What they, and a lot of people, are saying, is that maybe we need some regulations. Lots of businesses have regulations they have to operate within. Pro sports have tons of regulations regarding salaries. I think they're on the right track because the current system is going to greatly benefit a few schools and a few players at each school, but the players further down the depth chart aren't going to benefit very much and smaller schools are going to suffer. The gap between the schools at the top and everyone else is already wide, this just grows it larger.
@@talmanes4589 im not even talking about them im talking about the detractors of players getting paid. And yes I watched the entire video
I still think players should get a cut of the actual money they are producing for college football.
LSU by 21
I hate to be so pessimistic about the sport I've always loved most, but I just can't see a world where this is beneficial. Frankly I'm not even sure the sport survives. We're only one step or two away from a flat out pro league with school logos slapped on it, and short term monetary gain is pulling heavily in that direction. At some point people will stop caring when they realize it's just another NFL with inferior talent and less parity. At least your NFL team gets a nice draft pick after a shitty season; your college team will get its best players yoinked by a rival after a 4-8 year. Why would they stick around when they could go make more money next year playing on a winning team, especially when they were draft bound after that year anyways?
Maybe it turns around, but since the only ethos governing the sport is "How big can we make the next TV deal?", I'm really not feeling very hopeful.
This is getting bad. Schools with big pockets will buy out everybody. This isn’t right. I’m all for athletes getting side money but there needs to be some regulation here.
It's not right. Even if you can't point to a specific rule or law broken, it just "feels" wrong.
Regulating bodies will definitely emerge with time as we see the effects of NIL. Then in 20 years we will look at this time as when college football instantly became the wild west, which led to the professionalization of college athletics. And I think it's going to be a slow but absolutely necessary process.
I understand your concerns and their valid. CFN perspectives addresses the inequities that plague NIL. However, in this climate ...the first thing the bad actors will claim...socialism. IMO most of those who use that argument couldn't explain the theory if the read the definition....and this is from a die hard entrepreneurial capitalist 😏
And really it's just regulation. And regulation is on a spectrum. What we're doing now is hyper focusing on the individual "getting theirs" at the ultimate expense of there being a college football for future individuals to get anything, including an education.
Its all over but the cryin’