So riot doesnt give a fuck about people flaming and telling others to kill themselves but they permaban A SPECIFIC PLAYER for not having amazing communication skills
I had somebody try this on my team, and i actually gave it a chance instead of flaming... He stole enemy jglers buff level one, and performed much better than any thresh or tryhard meta support
Pretty annoying how unconventional picks are only approved by most people after a pro has done it. Support MF is now OK, but the day before a pro did it would have been "trolling".
No they're not. They just dont get enough reports, or they don't troll, afk and flame in HUNDRESDDDDSSSS of games. This guy is the highest mastery singed, how many games do you think he plays a day? a week? a month? Way more than you, or a troll does.
I have an account that is 2 years old, bronze V and still sometimes log in to troll in ranked games, not yet banned. No I don't int feed, I troll. Never talk in chat. It's proof that you can get banned by talking.
Yet another guy that doesn't get any shit that was talked in the video... There are 2 types of trolls: •breaks meta with his unusual play-style playing for win like the guy in the video •random picks/feeds no strategy whatsoever
exacly if proxy singed is alowed and max E nasus is alowed and fucking troll bards who ult their teammates is alowed why isnt singed double jg support not alowed . to be honest supports are trash anyway lrauge is better off with full of tanks and assassins I mean after season 7 whos ganna play adc anymore
The main problem was leaving the adc alone to fend for themselves. They already stated that they didn't have a problem with his play style but more of if the team was with him on that. If he wants to play a risky strategy and leaves the adc that's fine on normal but in ranked, where things are completely different, shouldn't happen. Especially if the whole team doesn't want him to play that role . TBH the whole team shouldn't suffer because he wants to play a very risky role. but that's my opinion
But he is well actually amazingly well past the average rank for league players and has a 50+% win rate with over 2000 games on singed which is very respectable. If he had a sub 30% win rate or some shit I would agree but banning him cause the adc feels uncomfortable (even though he is statistically more likely to win with singed on his team) is flat out ridiculous. This is why people are quiting league in droves or only watching league content and not playing like I do now.
You forget that beside you, there are 4 more players that have to endure your shit. And who exactly are you to force me to accept your ideals? Exactly.
I wonder if Riot opened a dialog with this Singed player before suspending him. You know, communicating WITH him instead of AT him. Even their long paragraphs directed at him were far more preachy than conversational. Also, I don't think that Singed's response shows he's happy with Riot, if anything it just sounds like he's placating them to avoid a ban.
Do you know how much time and resources would be required to have a 'conversation' with every person before any punishment? He has had multiple temporary bans and has communicated quite often with Riot. And the responses are supposed to be 'preachy' as they are directly relates to the 'terms of use' that they have agreed to and broken.
You see absolutely no irony in the fact that the only reason he was suspended was for "communicating AT his team" not communicating WITH his team, while Riot did the same? None whatsoever? The terms of use? What terms of use has he broken? He said what he was going to do, he did it, it wasn't in the meta so people reported him even while winning a majority of the games he played. Tell me what's breaking the terms of use about that?
to be more detailed ``` rito doesn't do what they tell u see pals heheh. Don't drink n drive kid says the policemen but they don't follow their own rules for example xD``
"leaving your adc to 2v1 farm by themselves pushes them out of their comfort zone and that should mean something." ...So Bard, a champion that Riot DESIGNED to roam frequently, is playing him a reportable offense?"
Shana Tobesman Not really the same thing, Bard is someone who actually STARTS in bot lane. He only roams to get chimes when the bot lane is dead or when they are ahead. Inexperienced Bard players are the ones that roam when they have no lead in their lane or when the enemy are pushing the lane hard
Shana Tobesman Bard has tools to leave healing shrines, terrain travel, and semi-global ulti. Not to mention he still doesn't just leave from the start nor does bard constantly roam if the bot lane returns esp in certain matchups.
Dranreb Reborn Ofc ranked isn't the place to try crap unless you really feel confident anyways. If reports rack up to at least the amounts singed got actions will happen, trying to make dumb arguments about "can I report" since it's based on your own morals. But over 100s of games SEVERAL felt the need of reports for riot to act against the singed, riot were completely right in how they addressed it. He would have shrugged it off if not for the ban notice being a wake up call, it was even riot who suggested he needs friends. IDK why people are blowing it out of proportion. Guy does something not liked->reported->continues happening over several with a large amount of players->reports stack up constantly where he gets several suspensions->riot personally act on it->gave a proper warning(wake up call), assessment, and solutions-> he properly followed them and no further action needed.
Roaming Singed support who is counter jungling is wrong, but having Bard support who never shows up in the lane, because AFK collecting meeps, is okay, because he has Sightstone. Good fucking job Rito
It doesn't matter if the other players does NOT agree with his strategy "Do not report a Summoner for tactical disagreements" Rule NO. 3 of acceptable behaviour...
So if we don't agree with champions selected we just report them? If they don't agree with our call we report them? league friends need to get off the high horses, and be able to listen to others sometimes ;) it's a game have some fun. If you aren't smart enough to pressure with your team don't complain when ya lose
"The 2 weeks ban was deserved by the number of reports". Ok so if enough people go to the police accusing some random guy of a crime he didnt do, he still has to go to jail cuz a large number of people said so ? XD Hahahaha. Heimerdinger players on the enemy team raise my blood pressure, rito pls ban!
No. In a criminal court at least there is a thing called beyond reasonable doubt, meaning that there can be no doubt that the crime was committed. Simply being reported by a large amount of people has nothing to do with the jury.. Of course in the civil courts there is a balance of probabilities, but even so reports has no sway on this, but rather the facts of the case. Lest the case be scrapped and a new jury be placed.
for the things that he didnt do? really? he clearly did sp double jg singed or u can say double jg singed since he rarely/almost never come to his own lane and sp... and double jg thing tsk tsk he tax his own jgler monster and make that guy tilted...
In court you wont get restricted for things you OBVIOUSLY didnt do. Ofc, if its not clear if you did it and alot ppl accuse you, then its a different thing. But then its a whole new situation and you cant compare it to this.
Kat in a Hat a riven player is complete oposite from a toxic riven player. boxbox or andrian ain't toxic. most bronze silver or gold players are toxic. higher levels on riven are mostly friendly and communicating. but there are toxic and non toxic. get your facts straight
Riot said that he should communicate With the team, not At the team. Huge difference there. Typing your strategy in champ select and using smart pings Is the way to go, but if your adc doesn't respond or doesn't want the 1v2 lane, he (singed) should adept to the situation which I guess he hasn't been doing enough according to Riot and the reports. Good answer from Riot, good response from Adellaide.
You can´t even win lane pre 6 with Singed Support. He is doing things for his Team to get ahead as TEAM. But if his Adc can´t play 1v2 for like 2min he should not play Adc. I prefer a Support doing stuff out of lane instead of doing nothing in lane. And if he is going back to Lane after his Invade there´s no problem at all. But the 1-man invade by Supports to slow down Jungle/top in previous Meta was ok. Even though multiple Supports died for it getting the Enemy bot/jungle/top ahead. But there was no reason for a punishment because it was Meta KAPPA
riot public statement: we 100% support off meta to this player when it was more private: you're banned, get over it, continue and get permabanned later on: asking an adc to 1v2 for first 2 minutes isnt ok meanwhile this guy IS communicating before the game starts, if the adc isnt OK with it they can leave for only -3 lp
Yes, SUPPORT off meta, you tell it, this guys is not a support, he his a guys who pick support, and go counter jungling. Why did he not take jungler if he want too ?
plopcha but he is supporting just not his ad at first but his WHOLE TEAM by roaming mid by setting their jg behind these are all thing that help his whole team in the long-term vs just babieing your ad
MrCwilson42 I don't think bully one of your lane is helping that much ... he made the ennemies jungler behind, for sure, but you have a useless ADC too, and a better bot lane in the ennemies team. I'm not disagree with his pick and playstyle, it's cool and fun, and seems to work sometimes, but if he didnt tell to his mates he his going to do this, it's a shame ... if he talk about it in lobby, the adc can pick a champ too handle the 1v2, and not be like that "wtf, my support leave me ? wooot ?" are you understand that ?
VaxxoTV how is it the boundaries of trolling if hes trying to win just because its different think about it the game wasn't made to be played like this how our meta is players just started to play that they innovated the game and changed it things like that are what made this game so popular the fact the players defined how it was played now its just riot going oh they liked that one idea now we are just gonna force it down the players throat and if they dont like it ok perma ban
Two things: Skyheart forced his playstyle on his team, negatively affecting his team. There was no discussion. And there's this beautiful mode called NORMALS where you can play whatever the fuck you want.
He's typically gone for 5 min.... his adc is one level up on his counterpart the enemy jungler is down xp and gold another lane was probably early pressured for 1st blood. then he returns to bot lane to help... what's the issue? he doesn't stay in the jungle. he doesn't continually tank friendly camps...(no one said he's the BEST player, just that it's more XP and for his laner) WATCH his videos, analyze (yeah, I know, big word) his game play, and you'll come to the conclusion that it works.. even in the losses his team sustained....it wasn't due to bot lane being behind.....look at the evidence, dont' rely on some ARBITRARY fucking meta to determine your view...the META isn't MARBLE....it's mud, ready to be changed at any time....
That's not how that works at all. It isn't the champion itself that made this a problem, it's the playstyle. He is forcing his playstyle on others which negatively affects them. He was leaving his adc alone for the first few minutes, counterjungling, late game splitpushing only (rather than peeling for his adc), etc. He was essentially just playing double jungle.
so simply put: he has to adapt to his teammates playstyle, but his teammates dont have to adapt to his?... wow that's totally not one sided, not at all.
He can't dictate his play style on others. some might be cool with it. But a lot wont. Based on his team. If his adc is not good at a 1v2 why would he force it on him? If his team does not want him to making risky invades why can't he pick something that the team that fit their style. YOUR IMPLYING THIS ONE GUY GET TO PICK ANYTHING HE WANT AND TOUGH SHIT TEAM...
so what you are basically saying, he should pick what fits his ADC, but ADC should not play what fits him? can I ask why? the thing is, his strategy works, he got to plat with it, and if it would be some troll shit that ruins games, he would be punished for this by staying in low elo. he gets reported not because his playstyle is cancer, he gets reported just because it is different and people always need someone to blame for the loose, and of cause they blame support counter jungling singed, which does not mean that he deserved it at all.
+APigthatflys key word being "Teammates" emphasize on the "s" , and "he" emphasize on "singularity" of the pronoun. all he need is to convince the majority of the team, and he is safe... unlike the US presidential election.
still not a good enough answer imo. If everybody in my team is against me playing for example caitlyn adc, and i pick it anyway, do i deserve to be banned because i didnt communicate with them enough? at what point is the tipping point reached? when 2 are okay with it and 2 are against it, do i play my pick or not. why can my team decide the champion i should be playing? If bard roams its all ok to leave the adc 1v2 for a while but if singed does it its not ok? wth. The big problem here is that rito didnt communicates enough at what point YOU arent communicating enough with your teammates. just because somebody in your team says "pls dont play caitlyn" does that mean i cant play her because itll be considered trolling, especially if i might have a bad game with her and lose? playing supp singed isnt any different. some teammates will say "pls no" and report you for not playing the pick THEY want YOU to play. wtf is this.
one little thing I'm just gonna pull you up on, about the when bard roams thing, normally a bard or other support will only roam a bit later on from the laning phase, however this singed roams from level 1, which can leave the adc quite vulnerable :D (just wanted to explain that little bit for you, but yeah the rest of it is just bs.... cmon rito man)
actually roaming early on with an adc that can handle it (ezreal, cait) is good since they will gain levels faster and singed who got exp from jgl and cait who got 1v2 lane experience will easily overpower their lane opponents if the adc doesnt feed in the first 3min
You clearly dont get it, picking Cait adc isnt same as Singed counter jungle support, Your building adc items and play your role, On the other hand this singed leaves adc 1v2 it would be same as you going Cait and leave sup 1v2 and go duo with mid or go top when they dont want you to do it, your just making the game harder to win
Also Bard is a roaming sup cause his passive, usually bard leave when te adc isnt in lane, 1v2 as adc is fine in bronze but at higher Elo a well zoning Zyra or Alistar gonna make pay, and who says they want to play Cait or ezreal anyway, the singed would also be open to getting killed with wards if he counter and he isnt a 1v1 duelist
qwdd wsvcwscf looking at his winrate over several thousand games, it doesnt seem to make it harder to win the game. just because it isnt meta doesnt mean its bad. people dont expect it, which is a good tactic to throw them off.
Heil Jewbacca riot are like that, they suspend people who try to comunicate their strategy by basing their argument on orders from the team members who magicly don't have to justify themselves.
You played all your games in your role right? This is where the reports come from cause someone for example picking top but then goes bot to triple pressure no one asked him to not play singed tho
Heil Jewbacca he is not in bronze 6. Plat players should start to communicate and make sure everyone knows what everyone is doing. I love, and good at, playing numerous adc champ as ap mid like Varus, Lucian and others, does that mean I should follow your logic and ignore my teammates to do what I want?
+qwdd wsvcwscf their not going triple bot its 1 bot and a singed that fucks with their jgler da . why is proxy singed alowed and not double jg singed .
+Jesse Feng bc plat players like me are a bunch of knuckle draggers and wont lissen to ur bitch whilings so we can all fallow ur bull shit plans mean while we are all salty about not getting dimand
I come from a way to far future to say i played a ranked game with a support w/smite singed, and he stomped, lmao, it's still somewhat viable if the singed knows what to do
If you'd watched the previous video, you'd know that it does work at least up to a platinum level. That's better than more than half the League's player base.
I played support Shaco TONS of times, starting in Season 3. It doesn't even need Smite to steal one buff from the enemy jungle, and you can even get a super easy firt blood if the enemy team doesn't ward properly. I wonder if Riot thinks I am a troll.
well it's not trolling when u carry the game, people would stop bitching when you got 10/0/0 KDA but when you suck ass, be ready with 4 report ( this Singed proplem ) honestly i play lux with ignite and carry the game as a god with Mejai with no sightstone but i have no idea how a Singed support with smite can carry a game. You suck ass with Singed, and got carried ( by good jungle for example ) you should be banned from League.
If your teammates flame and report you every game, what do YOU think? I've had people change my mind about certain picks midgame, but if I get support shaco in RANKED that dies for fb and continues to feed.. yeah u get it.
I play all kinds of supps...malphite(my 2nd main supp), Vel(my 3rd main supp), and even done a heimer on occasion. Never had a problem. Now would i try to go all rank all the time heimer hell no. i know this would be a poor experience for my adc on many occasions.
As a person who mains support Taliyah, I understand the pain of having your team bitch and moan in pre-game chat but still winning the game and proving them wrong. Breaking meta and winning should not be a bannable offense - what should be a bannable offense is harassing players just because they don't play what you want them to play.
How many times did I have to write "I'm not your bitch" to a bossy adc, when you are playing support, you are PLAYING support, it's a not a fuckin job, you are still playing the game trying to enjoy yourself, they wonder why poeple dont want to queue as support. I dont want to play soraka, she is boring, sometimes I do play braum to win a ranked, but im not having fun. I'm Karma main, I play her everywhere, now that she is meta people dont complain anymore, but the trash talk I received when playing her top before "it was cool".
moonorc i feel yah!! just yesterday i played nami in asencion cuz ienjoy playing her as one of my mains (support) and my teammates were like "report this nami she ks" "support kills? report". i was like wtf i played her cuz i enjoy her. not to support. and wtf who would support in that game mode srsly ppl r so stupid
But as support Taliyah or support Aatrox or support anything weird, you actually stay in lane and help the adc in a 2v2 situation. This guy went "support" and roamed to steal jungle camps. He's not breaking the champion meta by picking singed support, hes breaking the role meta by picking support and roaming to steal jungle camps without helping the adc.
Jakhoub Kaunitz Well the early game role of the support is to help teammates feed, traditionally bot, but helping the jungler and top laner get a early advantage and then going bot is still supporting your team. You mistake "support" with "adc's bitch".
It's not his fault that the community in NA is against anything interesting or innovative unless it's played on LCS. No fucking wonder Korea always kicks our ass when we're so pathetically small-minded.
Roasted Pheasant Let me know when Faker pulls out the tank Karthus midlane. I'm sure that will kick our ass. Interesting and innovative is fine by Riot. Disruptive is not. You should understand that if you watched the full video.
See basically what they are saying is if you report someone enough for ANYTHING then they could be banned for it. This is kind of why I quit league. I had a ton of those stupid ribbon accolades, and they didn't mean anything to me up till they all got removed for one warning, over something stupid. For being "the" moba to play, Riot still shows that they have no idea what they are doing, and they have no balls to stand up to their players when they actually need to. Like, oh, I don't know, SENDING A MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE MAKING BS REPORTS AND TELLING THEM TO NOT ABUSE THE REPORT SYSTEM. Or disabling the report feature temporarily for people who abuse it. I play Dota 2 still quite a bit, and I never fail to get at least 3-4 reports from my update (though usually I get twice as many commends). But I haven't received one message from a mod or gm because I know I'm not breaking the rules. If this singed got to his rank then suddenly started playing shitty, he would down rank and be in the low bracket. But his skill level and strat get him exactly where he is. He isn't game throwing, he isn't flaming, he isn't spamming, he isn't being racist or abusive, he isn't intentionally feeding, and he isn't being unskilled because his rank shows where his skill is. And he most certainly communicates with his teammates. You know who never communicated with me on league but I had no actual way to report them because I myself instead would get chided by a gm for reporting? People who only speak spanish. I never once in my time on league won a game with more than 1 spanish only speaker on my team, and sometimes lost those as well. If there was more than one, I would lose, 100% of the time. One time I made a thread and asked about reporting people on the grounds of communication (this was a while back, I haven't played in years), and a gm replied to me on the forums by saying I needed to be more accepting of people, and make use of the ping system in game to communicate. Which would have been dandy if anyone ever did follow pings. Basically, this guy has to write an essay in their tiny chat system tirelessly explaining himself just because he wants to do a weird strat (albeit in a game which is tightening the noose around free style especially after killing some characters ability to spec either ad or ap) BUT if you can't speak a lick of english on the NA server, and you don't listen to pings, then Riot is just a-ok with it. Maybe I'm wrong and they updated their rules on this, but back when I played this was their attitude.
yup. Even tho they tried to "clear things up" in the second respond it was just as much BS as the first. "he is allowed to play offmeta but not if he forces teammates for hundreds of games to play by his strategy if they didn't want to". OK RIOT YOU GOTTA STOP CONTRADICT YOURSELF ALRIGHT. Ok so let me get this clear, so what Rito is basically saying is that every time I picked something and one of my teammates typed "pls not (insert champ here) (insert role here)" I deserve a report???? Are you fucking kidding me??! Dude if I would have listened to my teammates and never listened to my own gut I would be in Poop 5 right now! I don't Riot realises how whiny and scared for change this community is! People will accuse you for trolling imediatly for the slightest change! But then they become real quiet all of a sudden when they see how hard you are carrying, funny isn't it. My sinsere mindset to people that immediatly yell troll is SIT YOUR FUCKING ASS DOWN AND SEE HOW ITS DONE MOTHERFUCKER. And I always mute people that yell troll and I never respond to them in the slightest so where's my ban Riot!? Go ahead ban me for common sense Riot do it! I'm so fucking tilted right now Riot is defending the behavior that I hate the most about League, fuck us all! Riot can fuck off I'm gonna play some Singed supp now to show my support. get it? SUPPORT. Anyways who's with me? We can't let Riot get away with this BS. Let's make Riots jaws drop when they see that Singed supports all of a sudden are popping up everywhere...
Shonem i totally disagree with what you said. First you say you can get banned for anything if you get reported enough and that is not true because the amount of reports you need to get banned is so big that YOU have to do SOMETHING that your team dislikes that much they report you EVERY game. If thats the case you deffinitly should think of changing something. Sure communicating is important but just explaining something to someone does not change their opinion on something. For example even if that singed whould tell me he is going to duo jungle in early game as the jungle i would still dislike his idea. And as ADC i wouldnt want to lose alot of gold and exp early because their lane is zoning me. If you want to invent new strats or try out new things that are uncommon in the meta play jn a premade of 5 people that accept your playstyle. That way you will be perfectly fine. Later you say that you would like to report people if they are not writing in english and that you lose ALOT more games when playing with (in your example) spanish people. If i remeber correctly there was a chat filter and a mute function in the game. That way you can play and still communicate with pings. And if people are not following pings then you should try to adapt to that too. Sorry for my REALLY bad english im still learning at school. I hope you could still understand what i was trying to say ^^.
so my team can tell me how to play my role. like if im jungling and they tell me to go gank bot but I dont think ganking bot is needed as they pushed all the way to the last turret so i dont gank bot and they report me i get temporarily banned?
john li lol. Sad isn't it? What league has become. I miss the days when everybody wasn't so serious & there were no smurfs. Everybody seems to play to win instead of for fun now, it is so sad.
It doesn't even need to be that drastic. One of the examples riot gave of his bad behaviors was, "Your jungler and mid made it clear they needed the blue buff, and you took it anyway."
ok please ban every yasuo top in my games ... cuz i wasnt comfortable with his strategy on picking yasuo. yasuo top never adapts to my wishes plaese ban him i wanted him to play malphite top. fuck riot logic they just make everything LOOK like its right what they are doing.
Stop being jelly but im the one playing so what makes you think they can tell you what to play even if all four of them tell you no they arent the person playing on that computer on that account they should adapt and understand that he is gonna play who he wants everyone can adapt its not that hard i mean everyone has a 1v2 strat and so on if you dont you are bad...
Me and my entire team doesn't want the enemy team to win, hence they should be banned if they win. They are negatively effecting 5 players. If I pick singed support, I am positively effecting 6 players (myself for the fun factor and the enemy team by giving them the "advantage" ( if you wish to call it that)) hence surely me picking an out of meta champion is better, right?
If someone in the LCS would succesfully play Support Singed then the players would go along with it and not report you for playing Singed support smite. Hell....Riot would even fully support it then!
Support as a role is the least fun role and Riot knows this. That's why they put a bunch of support champs on free rotation to try and bribe people into playing something they hate.
Ok Thank you Rito, I will be reporting ANY one of my team mates when they choose a champion in a role that I dont agree with. Like if we need a tank in my opinion and top picks Teemo I will be reporting because I dont agree with that pick/strategy and HE should be more flexible with what WE want. I also dont like the "splitpush" strategy some players adopt, so im glad I now know I can report them because I dont agree with that strategy and they should be more flexible to what the team wants them to play. Thanks you clearing this up for me Rito.
So basically Riot is saying they are banning him because other people do not approve of his playstyle. In the rules they clearly stated that it is not allowed to report people for playing off-meta picks. It doesn't matter how many people report him, he has done nothing wrong. They have absolutely no right to ban him for this, just because some clowns are butthurt over losing. He clearly proved that it's a viable strategy and he can keep up a decent win rate with it at a relatively high level of play. If anything they need to ban the people who reported him, for filing false reports, since there is no reportable offense they could have picked without straight-up lying.
Luckily we have Riot doing nothing about the flawed reporting systems. As long as the number of reports is a factor for getting someone banned, cases like this will emerge, experienced one on my own skin.
You could argue that his stating his strategy and refusing to consider doing otherwise is a reportable offence, yeah I disagree with it but there are always two sides to a story
Riot: "We encourage people to be innovative with the champions to be out of the meta." *looks at renew champions and the banning of AdellaideSkyhart* ...yeah, you definitely want people to be innovative alright This is what hurting the meta and create a meta that would never change because you aren't allow to experiment with champions now since riot is making the champions into a one-trick type ones... they just don't try to balancing the champions in a way that is bendable anymore... they just gonna ban you because of a meta slave that doesn't want the off meta pick report you constantly. P.S. Their respond of out of comfort zone is just contradicting because autofill causes that very thing they say they don't want
I think the 2 can be seperated. You can like the concept of a MOBA or any of the online multiplayer games but you can disagree with the developers and the corporation maintaining the game. For example - you may not like all the aspects of an update - there's a few new features you dislike - a new crafting system maybe or you just find that the servers have some technical issues from time to time which disrupts your games occasionally and the support takes a heck ton of time addressing anything. These are still issues you can live with and play the majority of the game without being concerned much about them because you love the core of the game but not the way they treat your game. You just have no other choice nor any impact at the maintenance of a gameserver, related services, business decisions and other background processess and in my honest opinion it's fine if you disagree on those but still play the game.
Riot's dumb ass employees are the reason I script. I kick so much ass by just pressing one button and they can't do shit about it because I have over 100 level 30 unranked accounts to script on. One gets banned, I move to another. That simple. :)
People seem to forget, that support is only a "role" because the pros made it "meta" and riot just went along with it and it's become a forced role now. Just become the ADC doesn't like to be alone in lane doesn't mean shit, so what, when the support roams report them, you're leaving adc to 2v1. when the jungler doesn't gank and bot is being camped, report them you're forcing them to 2v3. it will never end.. like others have said, is bards who ult their own team-mates, or tryns who split push 24/7 and don't help team. of singed who proxy farms don't suffer bans why should this player? atleast he has a possative winrate so clearly it's working. it may upset his team, but it hurts the enemy more than his team-mates, maybe if the game wasn't full of little children who got their feelings hurt it wouldn't be an issue, you can't even have a heated discussion anymore in chat, cos you'll be reported for "flaming" doesn't matter you didn't curse or say anything offensive, you hurt a kids feelings who shouldn't even be allowed on the game and is probably using his mothers creditcard without her knowing but you'll accept the money anyway. and as a result you get a mute for voicing your opinions, the game has gone downhil since season5 and it just keeps getting worse, they're just trying to save what little players they have left now.
ok enjoy picking jungle then finding the guy who said he wanted to play support(it doesnt matter what role he calls he does the same thing as per multiple examples with one being calling adc then leaving a janna in bot) coming and taking large chunks out of your main source of progression without any for of co-ordination with you or any intention to help you make up for it by assisting an invade. it was almost explicitly stated that most of the reports came from the jungler (or in the cases he left a support alone to hold a lane for the first 15 mins the support) since he was basically calling any lane that wasnt jungle then just playing good ol normal jng singed not giving a shit about the guys that rely on having someone in that role he called or the guy in the role he decided to do anyway
When Riot says that when he leaves lane and makes his ADC struggle in a 1v2 lane, then tell me, what is a bard doing when he is collecting chimes?! So Riot made a champion that's kit is supposed to let adc play bot alone, but when you leave your lane with somebody else and also counterjungling which is even more helpful to the team you get permabanned. Nice logic Riot
You do it when you sure the lane is safe, or when you back, and it's just for many secondes, don't be stupid ^^. That not the same, this guys leave the lane early, to jungle with the jungler, so, he pick support, but he play leave bot lane and he go tax the jungler.
i mean a bad bard or like you a bad player thinks thats how the champion is designed. but bard is actually one of the better laners and the chimes are designed when you go to ward and when roaming is correct to get to a lane faster and get back faster. in a game a support as correct times to roam and incorrect times to roam. but you probably dont understand the game at all and your argument sounds like a child.
I've been playing Jhin mid or top since release cause I think he shines best in a solo lane. I know how the guy feels when people report you just cause you're playing a champ in a role that no one else plays on him. You win the game, they say they carried you, you carry the game, they say you just snowballed against a bad player, you lose the game and it's all your fault even if your teammates are 0-20 at 20 minutes.
It's not about the champ. It's about the fact that he forces adc's to face a 2v1 lane, probably whether they agree or not. He should either only do it if they agree, or play with a premade. Simple as. The singed pick isn't the problem, go rewatch the video or something
Code Cypher Riot's excuse is it pushes the adc out of their "comfort zone". Who the fuck cares if one round is different from hundreds of others?? One advantage of Dota over league, more tolerance of playing outside the norm.
Do you see that safe playing ADC's are 2 levels higher than their laning opponent? by the time he returns 4 min into the game? IF you are 2 levels higher...is that an advantage?
So. supporting one innovator that has more or less tilted his teammates to the point of suspension is a good thing? Let someone ruin your fun, for his leisure. Go on. Let's see if you support him.
Hojuphasi Season 2 was tank meta where it was 3-4 tanks wailing at the enemy, but yeah I guess I see your point. Philippines. The region is Philippines
Darren Josef Kho I'll have to consider creating an account there thank you but to clarify I meant season 2 as in you could just sort of do w/e you wanted back then haha, wasn't ban hammer central (over picks or play styles at least
Basically you don't play league to have fun, you play to win. So as long your team wins, it doesn't matter if everyone had a good and funny game. They even said that in message.
He did win though, he played to win even, the problem was communication. Now how do you communicate with mouth breathers in ranked League? I don't know, I've yet to understand the species.
"ITS ALSO CLEAR THE PLAYER STRUGGLES TO EFFECTIVELY COMMUNICATE INTENTIONS AND STRATEGY TO TEAMATES" ... I SAW IN VID THAT ADDELLAIDESKYHEART ALWAYS TELLS HIS TEAMATES FIRST THING WHEN HE GETS IN A GAME WHAT SHE/HE IS DOING
Riot contradict themselves. They do it multiple times throughout that thread. I read the whole thing, all Riot employee responses and many other comments. They are full of shite, basically.
both sides contradict themselves. but riot keep saying if people dont agree with what you do and your strategies, its lack of communication and bannable. but then they say not buying a sightstone isnt bannable. but if the team doesnt agree with it, then its bannable... thats just one example.
Basically riot need a new system and new rules. because none of this should even happen, also voice comms would improve the game dramatically as long as they can set up some kind of restriction for toxic players.
when does more rules solved problems? If you just keep adding rules you will end up needing lawyer for video game. Rules are simple but i can see most people lack common sense.
1v2 farming isn't bad at all as long as you're not trying to poke or kill the 2 you're against. You can even manage it on teemo vs people of similar skill lvl.
"Telling them to 1v2 pushes them out of their comfort zone"... So Gromp, what you're trying to say is that riot encourages innovative play, but if it pushes people out of the norm (which mind you, that is exactly what innovative play WILL do), it's a mistake/bad choice? Then what keeps the scene fresh? Like who came up with the idea to put ADC and support up top against the single top laner while leaving your top to 1v2 at bot? That was considered innovative play, but then adopted to become the meta for a while. To create new metas, players should be willing and permitted to try out different tactics, not to be threatened against. Also on the point of effectively communicating said idea to the team, a few fundamental problems will always exist: 1. Inefficiency of type to chat. Most large fast paced games have adopted voice comms to enable fast and effective communication (take HotS and Overwatch as an example). This generally leads to more communication and less frustration over the playerbase. 2. However, no matter how effective communication may be, League of Legends is a global game, with (presuming said singed player is on NA) NA being one of its largest servers. Inevitably there will be communication barriers, eg. Language, vocabulary diversity, etc. with this in the way, you can't expect a player to explain their entire strategy and game plan in the short champion selection. I'm not here to point out the faults of the system or anything like that, but I just feel it's unfair to threaten to take action against a player when the largest fault (or so the post would make it sound like) lies in the lack of technology/means of communication. As my friend said when he watched this video, "You can't expect a man to call someone without a phone, so how can you expect this player to effectively communicate their strats and plays in an inefficient environment?"
So true. I had a Vayne that fed her ass off, blamed Bard, then came top saying "duo top". After our loss: "GG report Poppy for taking my farm". God, I hate ADCs
my adc went mid because he was salty at me and i had to solo bot as a janna support and i got the higher total damage somehow and the adc was still flaming me and reported me because i didnt tower dive with him when we were level 4. and according to riot i should be banned for that
It's awesome that you brought attention to it, especially in this clear way. I wasn't aware of this until recently, but I feel like it's been... solved? What Riot Gromp said makes total sense to me. I hope that he will continue to communicate and be flexible and that players will be a bit more tolerant for his playstyle.
I'm confused here, they say HE needs to communicate with his team and he does, but just because they don't agree with his decision doesn't make it wrong. You don't win games purely by playing Meta, i think I've said before its like those players who have bad games, they don't get banned and Riot say you cant report someone for having a bad game. Yet this guy plays support Singed with 50% win rate out of like 2000 games, that's a hell of a statistic so clearly his strategy works, and i wonder how much of him losing games is purely down to his strategy and how much is it down to his team mates simply playing bad. There seems to be a clear bias here from Riot, because from what they've said is that the current Meta is going to stay and remain stale because if you go off Meta its bannable. This is the reason LOL will die soon, Riot have changed from being a Dev of the People for the People, and more to a company that is focused on itself and their money. Something they said they would never do, people always complain, its in their nature, and people never blame themselves, if all the team say its Singeds Fault then they all say it because it means they dont have to own up to them playing bad. Thats the cause of most reports i feel, and i've been guilty of that myself, reporting people cos i lost a game didnt play well but rather than admit that i blamed someone else.
Riot how now opened a huge can of worms. If a pre-made team of let's say 3 say you need to pick a tank support or tank jungler and you don't. They can now report you for not communicating with the team. Forcing the ADC to 1 v 2 bot lane, because of a roam or counter gank. I am now going to report every single support that leaves bot lane before the tower is gone. This type of system they just said they now are using is going to be abused to such an extent more people are going to make 3-4 man pre-mades just to report the 1 or 2 randoms they are with. This has now taken up a whole new level of trolls and toxic people.
Back in the early seasons the meta was always changing with various lane combos and and champs being played all over the place. BUT riot has now locked us into 1 top 1 jungle 1 mid and adc/support bot, we can't innovate new ideas and try new team layouts or positions because it's a reportable offence. How can we expect to make new meta's when we have to play the same way every match. This was especially bad when they introduced dynamic queue because the layout of your team is decided before you even queue up. Riot are suffocating our innovation with these new queues and banning/warning us when we try and make a change. There is so much more to say on this and we should push for a change!
Jack Owen fuck making new metas, what if I want to play what's fun to me and what is popular isn't fun to me? i play a lot of competitive games. this is the only game i have heard of threatening some shit like this. i can understand if he was trolling be hes not. its a video game. for fun. trying to fucking oppress people on virtual reality lmao its a joke.
the problem isn't him coming up with new strategies, the problem is that not everyone on his team is on board on what hes trying to do. you can't force some weird strat on people who are not ok with it.
well some people care about their elo and want to get better at the game by playing against opponent with more skill. in other words you can have fun in ranked as long as it doesn't disturbs greatly the progression of the other players on your team.
so it's ok to play your way, as long as your team gives you permission. That'd be like blizzard saying "sure you can play your monk as dps, but only if the 3 other random people in the group are ok with it, otherwise you must go zdps". Also, if I'm reading this right, it's ok for me to report my adcs for going to farm golems while I try to solo defend tower because they are behind in lane and enemy is pushed to our tower because it stresses me.
There you can see how shit this game has become. There is no room to building your own playstyle. It exists ecaxtly 1 itemset for each of the 20-30 so called "Meta-Champions" and if you dont pick them or build the itemset you get reported by your team and as it looks you also get banned by Rito. Its a fucking game and a game should be played because its fun and not because there is exactly one best champion for each role and if you don't pick this champion you can get reported "because you don't want your team to win". But wait guys, maybe tomorrow someone picks support Singed in lcs, then you are allowed to play it without getting banned. But remember: Don't try it now because you are definitely trolling. Who cares if this guy can carry him to platinum with Support Singed. Yeah sounds legit Rito. I personally really liked the game in season 2 and 3 because way less player cared only about winning. But now there are way better and funnier games then League of Legends.
And he isnt playing his role his going jungling and leaving adc to 1v2, where does it end should i as a adc go mid and help mid? You cant play what you want but atleast stick to your role
Those brand supports who skip sight stone and build full AP and taking all the kills, if it wasn't for a pro player or Korean. The same shit would happen
here's the thing, if that brand player did all that even though his team ASKED HIM NOT TO would get that player in trouble. He didn't get punished for playing OFF META, he got punished because he didn't listen to his team when they asked him NOT TO PLAY SINGED SUPPORT. one of the rules is literally "Have fun, but not at the cost of others", he was playing to have HIS OWN FUN, disregarding whether or not his team was enjoying it
Rushboots no, that's not the point, if you don't want to support vayne that's your own issue, the issue here was that his team didn't want him playing off meta. while it sounds stupid to have to bow to what your team wants this is a team game.
Calisong So he should just listen to whiny assholes and get banned because they didn't get their ideal support. If he's winning the fucking game and you give him a chance to play what he wants and is comfortable with doing and it WORKS which it does then there should no problem. You sound it like he's trolling and just ignoring requests on purpose. He has a 53% winrrate which I can say is better Winrrate than most of us have ever gotten. You don't need to play a certain way to play this game. Remember if you wanna climb don't blame your teammates you're basically saying report my teammates for doing this and then and you're excusing people's bad attitudes because they refuse to give the guy a chance so they afk, or instead of adpating(the adcs). "Players who curse at their teammates lose 27% more games". " do not report someone for breaking the meta game". Let's not forget that supports let their ADC 2v1 all the damn time to roam and ward the maps ur not bound to bot lane until laning phase. Bard is a good example of that he leaves to get chimes and roams. If the ADC dies that's their damn fault
Calisong iif its a team game you wanna play your very best way to help your team. His strat is literally get enemy jungle behind and keep it that way. If that's not your helping the team then I'm afraid you don't even know what the definition of the word help.
Yes,, apparently if it puts you on tilt and you don't agree with their pick regardless if they are 100% win rate with it... i.e. IF you cry enough, you get rewarded...
Energy Cookie no? Unless you want to have 5 cs when laning phase ends then sure, but anyone with a decent sized brain knows would be able to push the advantage and kill the solo laner. most meta supports have a form of hard cc, and do good damage early. Literally if you leave tower you'll die
If you ask "can I play singed support and counterjungle" and 4 of your teammates say no and you play it regardless and you starve your own jungler. You didn't understand the concept of a team game
Layla dog Starve your own jungler? I think you didnt understand the concept... you even see in the video... he steals TWO camps of the ENEMY JUNGLER... You see at the beginning he take enemy wolves and enemy blue... Idiot.. dont be blind and than blame! There are more than enough screenshots showing that his m8s arent saying anything at all in 70% of the time!
FL Dino Gnar Did you read the text? There have been multiple occations were his jungler reported him for taking friendly camps thus taking exp and gold of their own jungler
I'm really not sure what my thoughts are on this one. the entirety of the comments seem to be against riots decision to ban him, but I bet EVERYONE who has played ranked has reported someone (or at least considered) because their wildly off meta pick didn't go well. I'm also sure that none of those people checked the winrate of that AP zed support main, and would be very happy if he received a temporary ban. Of course off meta picks should be allowed, but if it's SO off meta it GUARANTEES your ADC and your jungle to be under farmed then what's the difference between that and trolling?
Why does he have to be the flexible one???? Are u serious??Everyone should be flexible and he says that is his play see if u can be flexible or ask him kindly if he is willing to switch up his strategy a little. Its how the game works. Not 1 but 5 players should all be flexible.
Have you not read the replies? He left a Janna at bot 1v2 to fulfill a similar role when he was taking adc (he had smite and yada), he himself wasn't flexible. I like how this guy is innovative but there is a limit to how much you can leave a poor sod at 1v2 at bot lane. Especially in this meta where a team with better cohesion can make bot lane from a 2v2 lane to a 2v4-5 lane.
I always prepick in pick-ban ranking game. When I saw a weird SP champ (Lux, Nidalee, ZED, YASUO...). I changed to safe-play ADC immediately (Tris, Sivir, Lucian...) Just in case if they have some weird tactic or trolling. Back to AdellaideSkyhart's problem. First: if the ADC die after a roaming of SP. That mean the ADC is TOO NOOB to play ADC. Second: Bard created for roaming SP, some of them build AD, some passed sight stone,...is it worst to report Bard players too? Third: How about Irven??? Same problem! Bonus: How about FKING MF SUPPORT!? I suffered this FKING SP champ alots
I'm talking about the serious playing, serious rank-climbing. I still want to see some odd, fun, trolling tactic, but not in that case! It's normal match, it's different!!!
i play sp vel' koz and for the sp to leave their adc alone in early to mid laning pace occasionally is like giving me and my adc free kill whenever we roam or stick to btm lane...
If the enemy adc and support are half decent they will dive the shit out of that adc. As an adc, not having a support, forces me to farm under turret, if the enemy adc has higher range(so I'm twitch against cait for instance) or other forms of poke, i'll get harrased to no end by the adc, and if the adc is paired with a support like thresh, blitz or nautilus etc it's easy to get kills on me. I get more exp but around a third of the gold that I would normally get, which isn't good as that means that even if they can't dive me yet, it'll happen soon. Also ganks even if powerful, have to be coordinated with the jungler so he doesn't push under any circumstance. If a lane gets frozen on you as solo adc you might as well afk.
This makes me happy to see that he won't be permabanned. I had an intense 1 on 1 conversation with a riot employee about the issue and I linked videos (there was video evidence of him copy/paste his strategy with other players) and such to express how I felt. I hope he finds an adc who will play this meta with him. I've seen the smite blitz plays and this is really no different.
"play more flexibly" lolol tells player they're in trouble for playing a different play style and doing positively and not the players who can only play one way and still barely play that one way G G 10/1 best kapparino
The funny thing here, Is that theres no communication involved for the most part and theyr trying to enforce the illusion that there is, Put it this way. Jungler moves trowardes Dragon, If he dosen't talk or Ping do you know what hes doing? Will he ping before hes there, Or when he starts? Nobody agreed to help him with Dragon before he pinged and started it? No communication involved, Nither does most brusiers such has mundo tell theyr team when hes about to dive, Or when hes split pushing so don't team fight. As you said Theyr playing the same way over, and over until they know what to expect, But if you play in the same expectable way people who actully know how to play the game will shift the game, Do something abnormal and crush you when you fail to respond. League needs to grow up.
Haha nice dude u're awesome having such a big impact for the good. The Janna example kinda got it for me, even tho it's a bit different to the actual situation
ok riot so ban me now. cause I play fiddle and yas supp. btw what about trundle supp?! we need to see some korean bans too. btw faker plays yi mid. deft plays tf adc. huntzer picked teemo on lcs. oh noooo what about tf jungle on lcs by Curse. according to this game and riot's own logic most of these guys troll picked and deserve to be banned. back in season 1 fnatic played against the meta and invented the 1-1-1-2 positioning.seasons later we have seen how awesome lane swaps worked out. cop picked urgot at lcs after a long time against bijergsen right in the lcs. *if you want to move forward you must think different to make difference.* I have played this game from beta till now. but.... farewell league of legends...
did you watch the video? the only reason riot banned him was because of his lack of communication and failure to cooperate with his team. picking something unconventional when he knows his adc can't handle the 1v2 for even 10 min and refusing to communicate and play something that may better help his team 100% of the time. basically they want him t ostop intentionally tilting his teams when they fail to understand or feel comfortable with his decisions.
BoxCutter Isn't it the problem then? That THEY are the ones who fail to understand this strategy? If an ADC wants that Singed to adapt to his playstyle, they should know that in Solo Queue there is no captain, no leader. He cannot force others to do what he wants. Maybe the ADC should adapt to the playstyle Singed uses? Think about it for a while
kapitan19969838 Or maybe the Singed should adapt to the other 4 players that is strongly against it why should he do what he wants but not the other? your logic is flawed as you blame other
"The line here is the player repeatedly showing no flexibility in the face of resistance to their strategies, and consistently forcing teammates into a wildly different bot lane experience hundreds of times" Yeah, if you're going to abandon bot lane as support and leave your ADC to 1v2 the laning phase while you go off and do what you want, where you want, whether they like it or not or regardless of anything else, you deserve to have your account suspended for weeks at a time. I bet he wont be so selfish and strong headed (in a team game) anymore ;)
im not one to talk but the previous video prior to this one talked about him countering the red or blue buff from the enemy jungle and transition to maybe a gank at mid or top then he stays bot for the rest of the laning phase, you saying he "abandons" the adc is just immature.
Belmont Andrew Your "source" was about as good and reliable as saying it must be true cause you saw it on the internet (LOL) my source was from the people that have all the information and evidence at hand, Riot. derp....
That's how I see this whole situation and its a legitimate reason to suspend or ban someone. Communication with your team is not just telling them what you are going to do regardless of what they say. If someone were to be in your game and tell you that they are going to go full ad 100% crit sona support and just roam and if the team doesn't want that and the sona does this anyway, does this player deserve to be reported? Of course. I don't understand why people acting like what the singed did shouldn't be reported, punished, or banned for doing something like this when I know that most people would report people who do shit like this and call them trolls. Also Belmont: Unless your "source" is a live video footage of all 100% of the singed's games your "source" isn't that creditable
lol as much as I do want this guy to be free to do what he is doing, not every1 can handle it. And in some matchups, even pros would struggle to get even half the cs the other adc does just because the freeze the wave and zone
In high elo a good duo bot will freeze and the adc will be out of the game for a long time. It is impossible if you don't have a mobile adc they will even dive you in turret and it is not bronze or silver where they might give a double, trust me it will be a successful dive. If you are the adc in his team and you play sth like ashe or kogmaw, you will basically watch most of the game.
so.... if i and my group of 3 friends go into a game the other random player has to play the champion we want? wtf riot. another thing, so... if i dont like the champion that my teammate is playing i can report him, if the jungler doesnt gank me i can report him? wtf riot
its more a case of him playing the support then both leaving the adc to fend for themselves while at the same time killing friendly jungle creeps and starving his jungler of exp and gold. is trying this out bad? no hell it probably works great but if both the adc and the jungler are falling behind and he refuses to listen to them (the posts on the forums pointed out a few cases of this) then chances are both players will get tilted if he doesn't either help them or even respond to them when they ask for help. to sum it up this strat probably works amazing BUT since it is one that requires multiple people on your team to play around it shouldn't be one that you force on your team if they don't feel like they are up to it.
KingHit152 but at the same time it puts the enemy jungler behind and it tilts the enemy jungler as well. i am a jungle main myself and each time i get counter jungled, i get salty as fuck and be tilted until i could try to get some kills or assists to regained half to 1/3 of the exp lost from a camp. at this pre season, jungle spawn times are longer and u get more exp from farming in jungle then laning so his strats is ridiculously effective to make it a 4v5 with the jungler out of the picture.
I love this channel my dude, I havent played league in a month because I just got into CSGO again. I still really enjoy your content though, especially these types of videos that bring up discussion. I believe this game needs a voicechat because that would make communication much easier.
So If I do not play how my team wants me to play I can get banned? They get to choose what champion I play and what strategy I use as long as they all agree upon it? I get no say in how I play as long as the rest of the team disagrees with me? Are you fucking slow in the head Riot?
People bitching here don't realise that if they accepted this stuff it would mean a support LeBlanc could steal all your farm and wouldn't get banned as long as she kept a positive win rate and tried to win. It's always a bit more complicated than letting people do whatever they want.
well a positive win rate means its working, adc's dont have to be the hero carrying the game, the only thing tht matters is enemy nexus exploding, not your cs looking pretty. how about you realise that this stratergy is more likely to succeed than fail and he is being punished for it, and his win rate is over a 1000 game spectrum, so its not just a one off.
James Rogers That's the problem. I know win rate is not reflected in one particular game. But the gross majority of people don't realise that. How many times have you said "that guy doesn't deserve X elo" after watching one game or even one play? A positive win rate won't stop you from feeling like you lost a game because Y or Z happened even if Y or Z happening have a positive win rate, since you won't know everyone's and every build's win rate. It's an annoying reality, but unless everyone is willing to lower their standards and stop complaining about any build of people that's trying to win, this stuff can't be overcome. As a side note, after certain amount of games in one elo, it's quite easy to get a positive win rate playing anything that has the ability to win a game.
seems it was dealt fairly and even evenhandedly. I personally feel the suspension was appropriate but the initial fed back from riot wasn't very illuminating regarding weather the strategy itself was what was causing the reports, so its good to see that a more thoughtful and considered post was made. GL in the new season!
True story, when I called them out on a bogus report (5 enemy players reported me 2 games in a row, premade, no negative reason). My account and my support ticket mysteriously vanished. I had the screenshots for a couple years, but no longer have them (lost through hd failure/not caring to maintain them).
they arent saying dont do what hes doing - they are saying be previously q'd with someone who is ok with it. he is leaving his ADC out to dry until level 3. therin lies the issue. unless he states before locking singed "hey, im gonna do this" then its a lack of communication
wookie cookie!? ahahaha the funniest name ever hope he doesn't see this comment in here...
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It becomes so simple if you put yourself in the ADC place, playing 1v2 on bot while Singed try his "inovated" gameplay, with the risk (obviously) be stompted on bot lane. If he gets reported that's nothing to deal with Riot, he is report for refusing to comunicate. If the team agreeds on his diferent gameplay, ok, do it man. If they don't he cant be surprised for being reported. If i get anyone of you in a game, i will play teemo jungler and i will be invisible on enemy red the whole game waiting for the enemy jungler to be there and try kill him, dont report me, its an inovation. I though about this my whole League Of Legends amateur player career. Come on, is so simple. He is playing the inovation, but also disrespecting his team is certain ways. Get out of the box and think for yourselfs.
So,teammates can wish me cancer but he isnt allowed to play singed support.
-Riot 2016
neon riot two years later is stil the same shit company.
So riot doesnt give a fuck about people flaming and telling others to kill themselves but they permaban A SPECIFIC PLAYER for not having amazing communication skills
I had somebody try this on my team, and i actually gave it a chance instead of flaming... He stole enemy jglers buff level one, and performed much better than any thresh or tryhard meta support
cleverusername82 i flame and have 15 accounts permabanned. and counting!
maybe you should stop flaming, its also much more fun to play the game if you dont get mad, try play for fun! - Cruel
You missed the point, Times.
Al B is there a point in flaming?....
Pretty annoying how unconventional picks are only approved by most people after a pro has done it. Support MF is now OK, but the day before a pro did it would have been "trolling".
Vuyo Sidinile i did it before. they thought i was trolling! i wasnt. i didnt do it again cuz i dont wanna get banned. now everybody is doing it. wtf.
Playing MF support is still trolling if your adc is not Ashe AND the enemy has a squishy support.
rathernot and against Zyra
Gecko Gecko It doesn't have to be a Zyra, just something squishy (except Morg).
rathernot i think that mf was the counter to Zyra so her e could kill the plants
And still feeders, AFKers, Trolls, and Toxic people are free to ruin the game for us...
you're probably theone kid who reports everything
i was gonna believe you but you added the "feeders"
if you said inting sure i would have agreed
No they're not. They just dont get enough reports, or they don't troll, afk and flame in HUNDRESDDDDSSSS of games.
This guy is the highest mastery singed, how many games do you think he plays a day? a week? a month?
Way more than you, or a troll does.
I have an account that is 2 years old, bronze V and still sometimes log in to troll in ranked games, not yet banned.
No I don't int feed, I troll. Never talk in chat.
It's proof that you can get banned by talking.
Yet another guy that doesn't get any shit that was talked in the video...
There are 2 types of trolls:
•breaks meta with his unusual play-style playing for win like the guy in the video
•random picks/feeds no strategy whatsoever
I didn't know I logged on to league so that some strangers can tell me what champ to play and how to play them. 🤔
exacly if proxy singed is alowed and max E nasus is alowed and fucking troll bards who ult their teammates is alowed why isnt singed double jg support not alowed . to be honest supports are trash anyway lrauge is better off with full of tanks and assassins I mean after season 7 whos ganna play adc anymore
The main problem was leaving the adc alone to fend for themselves. They already stated that they didn't have a problem with his play style but more of if the team was with him on that. If he wants to play a risky strategy and leaves the adc that's fine on normal but in ranked, where things are completely different, shouldn't happen. Especially if the whole team doesn't want him to play that role . TBH the whole team shouldn't suffer because he wants to play a very risky role. but that's my opinion
the problem is he tells them but they choose to pick some shitty 1v2 adc .
But he is well actually amazingly well past the average rank for league players and has a 50+% win rate with over 2000 games on singed which is very respectable. If he had a sub 30% win rate or some shit I would agree but banning him cause the adc feels uncomfortable (even though he is statistically more likely to win with singed on his team) is flat out ridiculous. This is why people are quiting league in droves or only watching league content and not playing like I do now.
You forget that beside you, there are 4 more players that have to endure your shit. And who exactly are you to force me to accept your ideals?
Exactly.
I wonder if Riot opened a dialog with this Singed player before suspending him. You know, communicating WITH him instead of AT him. Even their long paragraphs directed at him were far more preachy than conversational. Also, I don't think that Singed's response shows he's happy with Riot, if anything it just sounds like he's placating them to avoid a ban.
Do you know how much time and resources would be required to have a 'conversation' with every person before any punishment? He has had multiple temporary bans and has communicated quite often with Riot. And the responses are supposed to be 'preachy' as they are directly relates to the 'terms of use' that they have agreed to and broken.
You see absolutely no irony in the fact that the only reason he was suspended was for "communicating AT his team" not communicating WITH his team, while Riot did the same? None whatsoever?
The terms of use? What terms of use has he broken? He said what he was going to do, he did it, it wasn't in the meta so people reported him even while winning a majority of the games he played. Tell me what's breaking the terms of use about that?
THIS ^^ People in this game are disgusting, but sometimes it makes it interesting to watch as some of them break down non?
I see what u did there sir :D.
to be more detailed ``` rito doesn't do what they tell u see pals heheh. Don't drink n drive kid says the policemen but they don't follow their own rules for example xD``
"leaving your adc to 2v1 farm by themselves pushes them out of their comfort zone and that should mean something."
...So Bard, a champion that Riot DESIGNED to roam frequently, is playing him a reportable offense?"
Shana Tobesman Not really the same thing, Bard is someone who actually STARTS in bot lane. He only roams to get chimes when the bot lane is dead or when they are ahead. Inexperienced Bard players are the ones that roam when they have no lead in their lane or when the enemy are pushing the lane hard
Shana Tobesman it's not the same thing
Shana Tobesman bard actually starts bot and only roams when his lane is ahead or the enemy is out of lane, to get chimes
Shana Tobesman Bard has tools to leave healing shrines, terrain travel, and semi-global ulti. Not to mention he still doesn't just leave from the start nor does bard constantly roam if the bot lane returns esp in certain matchups.
Dranreb Reborn Ofc ranked isn't the place to try crap unless you really feel confident anyways.
If reports rack up to at least the amounts singed got actions will happen, trying to make dumb arguments about "can I report" since it's based on your own morals.
But over 100s of games SEVERAL felt the need of reports for riot to act against the singed, riot were completely right in how they addressed it.
He would have shrugged it off if not for the ban notice being a wake up call, it was even riot who suggested he needs friends. IDK why people are blowing it out of proportion.
Guy does something not liked->reported->continues happening over several with a large amount of players->reports stack up constantly where he gets several suspensions->riot personally act on it->gave a proper warning(wake up call), assessment, and solutions-> he properly followed them and no further action needed.
Roaming Singed support who is counter jungling is wrong, but having Bard support who never shows up in the lane, because AFK collecting meeps, is okay, because he has Sightstone. Good fucking job Rito
can't imagine what riot would argue on that point. They designed a champ to specifically leave lane and farm. Good point.
Leave Bard out of this you bully.
I was thinking the exact same thing.
Terrence Crowley I actually like Bard and his design, but his passive makes you want to collect meeps and only do that the whole game. Doesn't it?
Hatesh Warkio You're fucking stupid. Theres a time and a place to collect meeps. And it works well with his playstyle
It doesn't matter if the other players does NOT agree with his strategy "Do not report a Summoner for tactical disagreements" Rule NO. 3 of acceptable behaviour...
YES
Riot have always been hypocritical assholes.
The fact that they say he "deserves" a 2 week ban just because other players report him is pretty stupid.
Kotori Minami Totally, it's so stupid...
So if we don't agree with champions selected we just report them? If they don't agree with our call we report them? league friends need to get off the high horses, and be able to listen to others sometimes ;) it's a game have some fun. If you aren't smart enough to pressure with your team don't complain when ya lose
"The 2 weeks ban was deserved by the number of reports".
Ok so if enough people go to the police accusing some random guy of a crime he didnt do, he still has to go to jail cuz a large number of people said so ? XD
Hahahaha.
Heimerdinger players on the enemy team raise my blood pressure, rito pls ban!
Is that not how a jury already works in court?
No. In a criminal court at least there is a thing called beyond reasonable doubt, meaning that there can be no doubt that the crime was committed. Simply being reported by a large amount of people has nothing to do with the jury.. Of course in the civil courts there is a balance of probabilities, but even so reports has no sway on this, but rather the facts of the case. Lest the case be scrapped and a new jury be placed.
for the things that he didnt do? really? he clearly did sp double jg singed or u can say double jg singed since he rarely/almost never come to his own lane and sp... and double jg thing tsk tsk he tax his own jgler monster and make that guy tilted...
If ENOUGH people go to the police and accuse a guy for a crime he didn't do, he would actually be in jail xD
In court you wont get restricted for things you OBVIOUSLY didnt do.
Ofc, if its not clear if you did it and alot ppl accuse you, then its a different thing. But then its a whole new situation and you cant compare it to this.
I get high blood pressure from Riven players on my team. Let's ban all Riven players?
You can do, ban her in champ select
Same with singed, you know.
Kat in a Hat a riven player is complete oposite from a toxic riven player. boxbox or andrian ain't toxic. most bronze silver or gold players are toxic. higher levels on riven are mostly friendly and communicating. but there are toxic and non toxic. get your facts straight
giannis krok From my experience boxbox is tilted very fast if he dont win lane.
Marcus Phillida still tho. he is not toxic. im a riven main myself and i just get tilted and toxic when team blames me for losing their lane:/
Someone on the pro scene should play singed support with smite. Then riot will allow it just like how it happened with MF
sigh
If you don't wanna get out of your comfort zone then fucking play farming simulator
'Comfort breeds weakness' - Rengar
Andlu xD
They tell him he needs to communicate more/better. Yet there is no voice comms..Rito Logic. At least he won't get perma banned.
You serious MiKiCi ? Voice communication with all the 12 Y old in this game would be so toxic...
Riot said that he should communicate With the team, not At the team. Huge difference there. Typing your strategy in champ select and using smart pings Is the way to go, but if your adc doesn't respond or doesn't want the 1v2 lane, he (singed) should adept to the situation which I guess he hasn't been doing enough according to Riot and the reports.
Good answer from Riot, good response from Adellaide.
Well you can just mute the 12 year olds
So if a french guy or someone else can`t speak english they can get banned because they don`t communicate?
You can´t even win lane pre 6 with Singed Support. He is doing things for his Team to get ahead as TEAM. But if his Adc can´t play 1v2 for like 2min he should not play Adc. I prefer a Support doing stuff out of lane instead of doing nothing in lane. And if he is going back to Lane after his Invade there´s no problem at all. But the 1-man invade by Supports to slow down Jungle/top in previous Meta was ok. Even though multiple Supports died for it getting the Enemy bot/jungle/top ahead. But there was no reason for a punishment because it was Meta KAPPA
riot public statement: we 100% support off meta
to this player when it was more private: you're banned, get over it, continue and get permabanned
later on: asking an adc to 1v2 for first 2 minutes isnt ok
meanwhile this guy IS communicating before the game starts, if the adc isnt OK with it they can leave for only -3 lp
Yes, SUPPORT off meta, you tell it, this guys is not a support, he his a guys who pick support, and go counter jungling. Why did he not take jungler if he want too ?
plopcha but he is supporting just not his ad at first but his WHOLE TEAM by roaming mid by setting their jg behind these are all thing that help his whole team in the long-term vs just babieing your ad
MrCwilson42 I don't think bully one of your lane is helping that much ... he made the ennemies jungler behind, for sure, but you have a useless ADC too, and a better bot lane in the ennemies team. I'm not disagree with his pick and playstyle, it's cool and fun, and seems to work sometimes, but if he didnt tell to his mates he his going to do this, it's a shame ... if he talk about it in lobby, the adc can pick a champ too handle the 1v2, and not be like that "wtf, my support leave me ? wooot ?" are you understand that ?
+MrCwilson42 he even take his own jgler camp and let his jgler fall behind lol... its the boundaries of trolling
VaxxoTV how is it the boundaries of trolling if hes trying to win just because its different think about it the game wasn't made to be played like this how our meta is players just started to play that they innovated the game and changed it things like that are what made this game so popular the fact the players defined how it was played now its just riot going oh they liked that one idea now we are just gonna force it down the players throat and if they dont like it ok perma ban
I may not agree with Singed support, but I'd die for his right to do so.
man games are shit when you have to follow the meta or get banned.
Two things: Skyheart forced his playstyle on his team, negatively affecting his team. There was no discussion. And there's this beautiful mode called NORMALS where you can play whatever the fuck you want.
He's typically gone for 5 min....
his adc is one level up on his counterpart
the enemy jungler is down xp and gold
another lane was probably early pressured for 1st blood.
then he returns to bot lane to help...
what's the issue?
he doesn't stay in the jungle.
he doesn't continually tank friendly camps...(no one said he's the BEST player, just that it's more XP and for his laner)
WATCH his videos, analyze (yeah, I know, big word) his game play, and you'll come to the conclusion that it works..
even in the losses his team sustained....it wasn't due to bot lane being behind.....look at the evidence, dont' rely on some ARBITRARY fucking meta to determine your view...the META isn't MARBLE....it's mud, ready to be changed at any time....
or just, don't play ranked where people get this pissy? Or better yet play with a group of friends who know the strategy and don't mind it.
Lissandra Rinkuzaki Or how about assholes playing ranked take their heads out of their asses?
restlessfrager that can work too I suppose, the game can run a lot smoother if people just relaxed a bit more about of meta picks.
ok so from now on Ill ask all my adcs to not play vayne and I simply report them if they pick vayne ? lul
Noneofyour Business
you must be low elo, vayne is strong as fuck this patch.
TooDroop
yeah but not in the hands of 90% of gold adcs
That's not how that works at all. It isn't the champion itself that made this a problem, it's the playstyle. He is forcing his playstyle on others which negatively affects them. He was leaving his adc alone for the first few minutes, counterjungling, late game splitpushing only (rather than peeling for his adc), etc. He was essentially just playing double jungle.
TooDroop NotLikeThis
he is being sarcastic
so simply put: he has to adapt to his teammates playstyle, but his teammates dont have to adapt to his?...
wow that's totally not one sided, not at all.
Riot bullshit thinking (like plants: nobody like it but since 1 rioter like it: it stay in the game.)
He can't dictate his play style on others. some might be cool with it. But a lot wont. Based on his team. If his adc is not good at a 1v2 why would he force it on him? If his team does not want him to making risky invades why can't he pick something that the team that fit their style. YOUR IMPLYING THIS ONE GUY GET TO PICK ANYTHING HE WANT AND TOUGH SHIT TEAM...
so what you are basically saying, he should pick what fits his ADC, but ADC should not play what fits him? can I ask why?
the thing is, his strategy works, he got to plat with it, and if it would be some troll shit that ruins games, he would be punished for this by staying in low elo. he gets reported not because his playstyle is cancer, he gets reported just because it is different and people always need someone to blame for the loose, and of cause they blame support counter jungling singed, which does not mean that he deserved it at all.
+APigthatflys key word being "Teammates" emphasize on the "s" , and "he" emphasize on "singularity" of the pronoun.
all he need is to convince the majority of the team, and he is safe... unlike the US presidential election.
or he can find someone to duo with
still not a good enough answer imo.
If everybody in my team is against me playing for example caitlyn adc, and i pick it anyway, do i deserve to be banned because i didnt communicate with them enough? at what point is the tipping point reached? when 2 are okay with it and 2 are against it, do i play my pick or not. why can my team decide the champion i should be playing?
If bard roams its all ok to leave the adc 1v2 for a while but if singed does it its not ok? wth.
The big problem here is that rito didnt communicates enough at what point YOU arent communicating enough with your teammates. just because somebody in your team says "pls dont play caitlyn" does that mean i cant play her because itll be considered trolling, especially if i might have a bad game with her and lose? playing supp singed isnt any different. some teammates will say "pls no" and report you for not playing the pick THEY want YOU to play. wtf is this.
one little thing I'm just gonna pull you up on, about the when bard roams thing, normally a bard or other support will only roam a bit later on from the laning phase, however this singed roams from level 1, which can leave the adc quite vulnerable :D (just wanted to explain that little bit for you, but yeah the rest of it is just bs.... cmon rito man)
actually roaming early on with an adc that can handle it (ezreal, cait) is good since they will gain levels faster and singed who got exp from jgl and cait who got 1v2 lane experience will easily overpower their lane opponents if the adc doesnt feed in the first 3min
You clearly dont get it, picking Cait adc isnt same as Singed counter jungle support, Your building adc items and play your role, On the other hand this singed leaves adc 1v2 it would be same as you going Cait and leave sup 1v2 and go duo with mid or go top when they dont want you to do it, your just making the game harder to win
Also Bard is a roaming sup cause his passive, usually bard leave when te adc isnt in lane, 1v2 as adc is fine in bronze but at higher Elo a well zoning Zyra or Alistar gonna make pay, and who says they want to play Cait or ezreal anyway, the singed would also be open to getting killed with wards if he counter and he isnt a 1v1 duelist
qwdd wsvcwscf looking at his winrate over several thousand games, it doesnt seem to make it harder to win the game. just because it isnt meta doesnt mean its bad. people dont expect it, which is a good tactic to throw them off.
If I were to listen to my "pro" team mates advice(s) and never question said decision based on a veto type system... I would be stuck in b6.
Heil Jewbacca riot are like that, they suspend people who try to comunicate their strategy by basing their argument on orders from the team members who magicly don't have to justify themselves.
You played all your games in your role right? This is where the reports come from cause someone
for example picking top but then goes bot to triple pressure no one asked him to not play singed tho
Heil Jewbacca he is not in bronze 6. Plat players should start to communicate and make sure everyone knows what everyone is doing. I love, and good at, playing numerous adc champ as ap mid like Varus, Lucian and others, does that mean I should follow your logic and ignore my teammates to do what I want?
+qwdd wsvcwscf their not going triple bot its 1 bot and a singed that fucks with their jgler da . why is proxy singed alowed and not double jg singed .
+Jesse Feng bc plat players like me are a bunch of knuckle draggers and wont lissen to ur bitch whilings so we can all fallow ur bull shit plans mean while we are all salty about not getting dimand
He is probably so popular now that his strategy will be useless.
I come from a way to far future to say i played a ranked game with a support w/smite singed, and he stomped, lmao, it's still somewhat viable if the singed knows what to do
Ban support singed just because it's not lcs or korea players that discovers this trick.
no it's only becaus it's not work
positive win rate suggests it does.
If you'd watched the previous video, you'd know that it does work at least up to a platinum level. That's better than more than half the League's player base.
Thats why hes ranked higher than the majority of LoL players.
***** lol he's gold5 now and play only in dq with 4/5 friends
I played support Shaco TONS of times, starting in Season 3.
It doesn't even need Smite to steal one buff from the enemy jungle, and you can even get a super easy firt blood if the enemy team doesn't ward properly.
I wonder if Riot thinks I am a troll.
hah the jokes on you
well it's not trolling when u carry the game, people would stop bitching when you got 10/0/0 KDA but when you suck ass, be ready with 4 report ( this Singed proplem ) honestly i play lux with ignite and carry the game as a god with Mejai with no sightstone but i have no idea how a Singed support with smite can carry a game. You suck ass with Singed, and got carried ( by good jungle for example ) you should be banned from League.
Probably not a troll. A bit of a clown maybe, but I jest
ROFL xD
If your teammates flame and report you every game, what do YOU think?
I've had people change my mind about certain picks midgame, but if I get support shaco in RANKED that dies for fb and continues to feed.. yeah u get it.
So basically, because his team mates don't listen to his plan well enough, he's being banned for his life team mates lack of knowledge
His team does not have to listen(obey) to his dictator comments. its a team and if he want to play unusual strategy get his teammates to agree. . .
hellasow b yes, but if they don't read, then they can't agree, that's my point
I play all kinds of supps...malphite(my 2nd main supp), Vel(my 3rd main supp), and even done a heimer on occasion. Never had a problem. Now would i try to go all rank all the time heimer hell no. i know this would be a poor experience for my adc on many occasions.
Extiction OfAliens he didnt get permabanned tho?
"You can only play what the majority of players wants you to play."
"You cannot force your team to conform to your non-meta double-jungle and expect to not negatively impact them."
Samuel Engström nope, later riot gromp specifically said any suggestion of democracy in champ select is "bullshit".
Samuel Engström and thst they would never implement a rule for that saying like 60% or more you have to change etc
Samuel Engström this crappy video only covered the first post
Alright bois, time to go Yasuo support with smite and no sightstone ^^
SgtPandaHD I mean at some rating you will have a 50% winrate with that pick
well right now yasuo is not being played and banned that much, so you should actually be able to do that
Still tho, if i wanted to go janna adc would i be banned for a troll pick?
***** no you wouldn't...
not following the meta doesn't mean you troll
But at what point does it stop being "not meta" and become trolling?
As a person who mains support Taliyah, I understand the pain of having your team bitch and moan in pre-game chat but still winning the game and proving them wrong. Breaking meta and winning should not be a bannable offense - what should be a bannable offense is harassing players just because they don't play what you want them to play.
How many times did I have to write "I'm not your bitch" to a bossy adc, when you are playing support, you are PLAYING support, it's a not a fuckin job, you are still playing the game trying to enjoy yourself, they wonder why poeple dont want to queue as support. I dont want to play soraka, she is boring, sometimes I do play braum to win a ranked, but im not having fun. I'm Karma main, I play her everywhere, now that she is meta people dont complain anymore, but the trash talk I received when playing her top before "it was cool".
moonorc i feel yah!! just yesterday i played nami in asencion cuz ienjoy playing her as one of my mains (support) and my teammates were like "report this nami she ks" "support kills? report". i was like wtf i played her cuz i enjoy her. not to support. and wtf who would support in that game mode srsly ppl r so stupid
But as support Taliyah or support Aatrox or support anything weird, you actually stay in lane and help the adc in a 2v2 situation. This guy went "support" and roamed to steal jungle camps. He's not breaking the champion meta by picking singed support, hes breaking the role meta by picking support and roaming to steal jungle camps without helping the adc.
Jakhoub Kaunitz Well the early game role of the support is to help teammates feed, traditionally bot, but helping the jungler and top laner get a early advantage and then going bot is still supporting your team. You mistake "support" with "adc's bitch".
explain bard who is a roaming support disrupting other lanes not junglers.. is bard now a support troll pick?
It's not his fault that the community in NA is against anything interesting or innovative unless it's played on LCS. No fucking wonder Korea always kicks our ass when we're so pathetically small-minded.
In EU it´s about the same, except people flame you after you get your first death.
Roasted Pheasant Let me know when Faker pulls out the tank Karthus midlane. I'm sure that will kick our ass. Interesting and innovative is fine by Riot. Disruptive is not. You should understand that if you watched the full video.
No.
Riot, the company which will never admit a mistake: ''It's not reportable to try new things, but the two-weeks ban was deserved'
Lmao
See basically what they are saying is if you report someone enough for ANYTHING then they could be banned for it.
This is kind of why I quit league.
I had a ton of those stupid ribbon accolades, and they didn't mean anything to me up till they all got removed for one warning, over something stupid.
For being "the" moba to play, Riot still shows that they have no idea what they are doing, and they have no balls to stand up to their players when they actually need to.
Like, oh, I don't know, SENDING A MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE MAKING BS REPORTS AND TELLING THEM TO NOT ABUSE THE REPORT SYSTEM.
Or disabling the report feature temporarily for people who abuse it.
I play Dota 2 still quite a bit, and I never fail to get at least 3-4 reports from my update (though usually I get twice as many commends).
But I haven't received one message from a mod or gm because I know I'm not breaking the rules.
If this singed got to his rank then suddenly started playing shitty, he would down rank and be in the low bracket.
But his skill level and strat get him exactly where he is.
He isn't game throwing, he isn't flaming, he isn't spamming, he isn't being racist or abusive, he isn't intentionally feeding, and he isn't being unskilled because his rank shows where his skill is.
And he most certainly communicates with his teammates.
You know who never communicated with me on league but I had no actual way to report them because I myself instead would get chided by a gm for reporting?
People who only speak spanish.
I never once in my time on league won a game with more than 1 spanish only speaker on my team, and sometimes lost those as well.
If there was more than one, I would lose, 100% of the time.
One time I made a thread and asked about reporting people on the grounds of communication (this was a while back, I haven't played in years), and a gm replied to me on the forums by saying I needed to be more accepting of people, and make use of the ping system in game to communicate.
Which would have been dandy if anyone ever did follow pings.
Basically, this guy has to write an essay in their tiny chat system tirelessly explaining himself just because he wants to do a weird strat (albeit in a game which is tightening the noose around free style especially after killing some characters ability to spec either ad or ap) BUT if you can't speak a lick of english on the NA server, and you don't listen to pings, then Riot is just a-ok with it.
Maybe I'm wrong and they updated their rules on this, but back when I played this was their attitude.
yup. Even tho they tried to "clear things up" in the second respond it was just as much BS as the first. "he is allowed to play offmeta but not if he forces teammates for hundreds of games to play by his strategy if they didn't want to". OK RIOT YOU GOTTA STOP CONTRADICT YOURSELF ALRIGHT. Ok so let me get this clear, so what Rito is basically saying is that every time I picked something and one of my teammates typed "pls not (insert champ here) (insert role here)" I deserve a report???? Are you fucking kidding me??! Dude if I would have listened to my teammates and never listened to my own gut I would be in Poop 5 right now! I don't Riot realises how whiny and scared for change this community is! People will accuse you for trolling imediatly for the slightest change! But then they become real quiet all of a sudden when they see how hard you are carrying, funny isn't it. My sinsere mindset to people that immediatly yell troll is SIT YOUR FUCKING ASS DOWN AND SEE HOW ITS DONE MOTHERFUCKER. And I always mute people that yell troll and I never respond to them in the slightest so where's my ban Riot!? Go ahead ban me for common sense Riot do it! I'm so fucking tilted right now Riot is defending the behavior that I hate the most about League, fuck us all! Riot can fuck off I'm gonna play some Singed supp now to show my support. get it? SUPPORT. Anyways who's with me? We can't let Riot get away with this BS. Let's make Riots jaws drop when they see that Singed supports all of a sudden are popping up everywhere...
Shonem i totally disagree with what you said. First you say you can get banned for anything if you get reported enough and that is not true because the amount of reports you need to get banned is so big that YOU have to do SOMETHING that your team dislikes that much they report you EVERY game. If thats the case you deffinitly should think of changing something. Sure communicating is important but just explaining something to someone does not change their opinion on something. For example even if that singed whould tell me he is going to duo jungle in early game as the jungle i would still dislike his idea. And as ADC i wouldnt want to lose alot of gold and exp early because their lane is zoning me.
If you want to invent new strats or try out new things that are uncommon in the meta play jn a premade of 5 people that accept your playstyle. That way you will be perfectly fine.
Later you say that you would like to report people if they are not writing in english and that you lose ALOT more games when playing with (in your example) spanish people. If i remeber correctly there was a chat filter and a mute function in the game. That way you can play and still communicate with pings. And if people are not following pings then you should try to adapt to that too.
Sorry for my REALLY bad english im still learning at school. I hope you could still understand what i was trying to say ^^.
so my team can tell me how to play my role. like if im jungling and they tell me to go gank bot but I dont think ganking bot is needed as they pushed all the way to the last turret so i dont gank bot and they report me i get temporarily banned?
john li basically
john li lol. Sad isn't it? What league has become. I miss the days when everybody wasn't so serious & there were no smurfs. Everybody seems to play to win instead of for fun now, it is so sad.
It doesn't even need to be that drastic. One of the examples riot gave of his bad behaviors was, "Your jungler and mid made it clear they needed the blue buff, and you took it anyway."
Not the same case. If you play jungle, but go double top whole game, every game, then yeah you will get banned.
+TheTimer1337 how is that a banneable reason?
ok please ban every yasuo top in my games ... cuz i wasnt comfortable with his strategy on picking yasuo.
yasuo top never adapts to my wishes plaese ban him i wanted him to play malphite top.
fuck riot logic they just make everything LOOK like its right what they are doing.
If majority of the team wanted that , then yes that player would be punished. Your wish alone means nothing.
Stop being jelly but im the one playing so what makes you think they can tell you what to play even if all four of them tell you no they arent the person playing on that computer on that account they should adapt and understand that he is gonna play who he wants everyone can adapt its not that hard i mean everyone has a 1v2 strat and so on if you dont you are bad...
I'ts a team game not solo so you adapt to the majority's wishes not the other way around.
pretty sure the only one reporting singed is the adc which has to be supported.
Me and my entire team doesn't want the enemy team to win, hence they should be banned if they win. They are negatively effecting 5 players.
If I pick singed support, I am positively effecting 6 players (myself for the fun factor and the enemy team by giving them the "advantage" ( if you wish to call it that)) hence surely me picking an out of meta champion is better, right?
If someone in the LCS would succesfully play Support Singed then the players would go along with it and not report you for playing Singed support smite.
Hell....Riot would even fully support it then!
Give their ADC high blood pressure. lol like countless other players with actual toxoc behaviour dont.
ikr, I'm sure extremely boosted supports give them high blood pressure too, still not reportable though.
Well, Next time you get a support who leave the lane lvl 1 and go counter jungle and let you struggles 1v2, tell me if it was fun to play x).
idk what you mean, toxic player get reported and banned aswell, love how ppl search for something to disagree on
why ADC should have fun and supp cant?
Support as a role is the least fun role and Riot knows this. That's why they put a bunch of support champs on free rotation to try and bribe people into playing something they hate.
Ok Thank you Rito, I will be reporting ANY one of my team mates when they choose a champion in a role that I dont agree with. Like if we need a tank in my opinion and top picks Teemo I will be reporting because I dont agree with that pick/strategy and HE should be more flexible with what WE want. I also dont like the "splitpush" strategy some players adopt, so im glad I now know I can report them because I dont agree with that strategy and they should be more flexible to what the team wants them to play. Thanks you clearing this up for me Rito.
So basically Riot is saying they are banning him because other people do not approve of his playstyle. In the rules they clearly stated that it is not allowed to report people for playing off-meta picks. It doesn't matter how many people report him, he has done nothing wrong. They have absolutely no right to ban him for this, just because some clowns are butthurt over losing. He clearly proved that it's a viable strategy and he can keep up a decent win rate with it at a relatively high level of play.
If anything they need to ban the people who reported him, for filing false reports, since there is no reportable offense they could have picked without straight-up lying.
Luckily we have Riot doing nothing about the flawed reporting systems. As long as the number of reports is a factor for getting someone banned, cases like this will emerge, experienced one on my own skin.
You could argue that his stating his strategy and refusing to consider doing otherwise is a reportable offence, yeah I disagree with it but there are always two sides to a story
@@benjamintalbot201 I don't think that's arguable. Can I report my whole team for refusing to do Barron when the enemy team dies?
Riot: "We encourage people to be innovative with the champions to be out of the meta."
*looks at renew champions and the banning of AdellaideSkyhart*
...yeah, you definitely want people to be innovative alright
This is what hurting the meta and create a meta that would never change because you aren't allow to experiment with champions now since riot is making the champions into a one-trick type ones... they just don't try to balancing the champions in a way that is bendable anymore... they just gonna ban you because of a meta slave that doesn't want the off meta pick report you constantly.
P.S. Their respond of out of comfort zone is just contradicting because autofill causes that very thing they say they don't want
now allot of people hate riot
just like me
a lot of people pretend to hate riot and still play their great game. spoiled brats
I think the 2 can be seperated. You can like the concept of a MOBA or any of the online multiplayer games but you can disagree with the developers and the corporation maintaining the game.
For example - you may not like all the aspects of an update - there's a few new features you dislike - a new crafting system maybe or you just find that the servers have some technical issues from time to time which disrupts your games occasionally and the support takes a heck ton of time addressing anything.
These are still issues you can live with and play the majority of the game without being concerned much about them because you love the core of the game but not the way they treat your game.
You just have no other choice nor any impact at the maintenance of a gameserver, related services, business decisions and other background processess and in my honest opinion it's fine if you disagree on those but still play the game.
Riot's dumb ass employees are the reason I script. I kick so much ass by just pressing one button and they can't do shit about it because I have over 100 level 30 unranked accounts to script on. One gets banned, I move to another. That simple. :)
Your writing, grammar and most of all, your avatar and name let me know you are an 8 year old who got banned for toxicity and intentionally feeding.
yeah well let me tell you something. You are a personification of this game's problem.
People seem to forget, that support is only a "role" because the pros made it "meta" and riot just went along with it and it's become a forced role now. Just become the ADC doesn't like to be alone in lane doesn't mean shit, so what, when the support roams report them, you're leaving adc to 2v1. when the jungler doesn't gank and bot is being camped, report them you're forcing them to 2v3. it will never end.. like others have said, is bards who ult their own team-mates, or tryns who split push 24/7 and don't help team. of singed who proxy farms don't suffer bans why should this player? atleast he has a possative winrate so clearly it's working. it may upset his team, but it hurts the enemy more than his team-mates, maybe if the game wasn't full of little children who got their feelings hurt it wouldn't be an issue, you can't even have a heated discussion anymore in chat, cos you'll be reported for "flaming" doesn't matter you didn't curse or say anything offensive, you hurt a kids feelings who shouldn't even be allowed on the game and is probably using his mothers creditcard without her knowing but you'll accept the money anyway. and as a result you get a mute for voicing your opinions, the game has gone downhil since season5 and it just keeps getting worse, they're just trying to save what little players they have left now.
ok enjoy picking jungle then finding the guy who said he wanted to play support(it doesnt matter what role he calls he does the same thing as per multiple examples with one being calling adc then leaving a janna in bot) coming and taking large chunks out of your main source of progression without any for of co-ordination with you or any intention to help you make up for it by assisting an invade. it was almost explicitly stated that most of the reports came from the jungler (or in the cases he left a support alone to hold a lane for the first 15 mins the support) since he was basically calling any lane that wasnt jungle then just playing good ol normal jng singed not giving a shit about the guys that rely on having someone in that role he called or the guy in the role he decided to do anyway
he takes enemy camps
Niggy not according to almost every source of information on this case
SO THEY BAN THIS SINGED player BUT KACYTRON IS STILL OUT THERE TROLLING THE GAME. GJ RIOT.
So, he was suspended for roaming and leaving his ADC.
Bard?
I feel attacked 4 years later.
I leave lane at 15 mins to never return.
an actual toxic player gets no punishment what so ever but someone that plays to win gets a 2 suspension and a permaban threat. wtf ?
When Riot says that when he leaves lane and makes his ADC struggle in a 1v2 lane, then tell me, what is a bard doing when he is collecting chimes?! So Riot made a champion that's kit is supposed to let adc play bot alone, but when you leave your lane with somebody else and also counterjungling which is even more helpful to the team you get permabanned. Nice logic Riot
You do it when you sure the lane is safe, or when you back, and it's just for many secondes, don't be stupid ^^. That not the same, this guys leave the lane early, to jungle with the jungler, so, he pick support, but he play leave bot lane and he go tax the jungler.
Didn't he just go into the enemy jng early and take a few of the enemy camps? Also ganking right after that then returning to the bot lane?
There was a snippet of a post about him starving his own jger of cs, so now, he was also taking friendly jg camps as well.
Tony Smith Ah okey
i mean a bad bard or like you a bad player thinks thats how the champion is designed. but bard is actually one of the better laners and the chimes are designed when you go to ward and when roaming is correct to get to a lane faster and get back faster. in a game a support as correct times to roam and incorrect times to roam. but you probably dont understand the game at all and your argument sounds like a child.
happy to hear that he can continue his own strategy
I've been playing Jhin mid or top since release cause I think he shines best in a solo lane. I know how the guy feels when people report you just cause you're playing a champ in a role that no one else plays on him. You win the game, they say they carried you, you carry the game, they say you just snowballed against a bad player, you lose the game and it's all your fault even if your teammates are 0-20 at 20 minutes.
I know the feeling
I am gonna report everybody that picks champ that is not to my liking under no communication! muhahaha.
It's not about the champ. It's about the fact that he forces adc's to face a 2v1 lane, probably whether they agree or not. He should either only do it if they agree, or play with a premade. Simple as. The singed pick isn't the problem, go rewatch the video or something
Code Cypher Riot's excuse is it pushes the adc out of their "comfort zone". Who the fuck cares if one round is different from hundreds of others?? One advantage of Dota over league, more tolerance of playing outside the norm.
Do you see that safe playing ADC's are 2 levels higher than their laning opponent? by the time he returns 4 min into the game?
IF you are 2 levels higher...is that an advantage?
Well not giving me every kill in the game pushes me out from my comfort zone will riot ban everyone else?
i'm so fucking sick of riot holy shit
So. supporting one innovator that has more or less tilted his teammates to the point of suspension is a good thing?
Let someone ruin your fun, for his leisure. Go on. Let's see if you support him.
Darren Josef Kho what meta breaker shoved a stick up your ass lmao, join a 5 man premade if you're so scared of something you don't expect.
Hojuphasi Season 2 was tank meta where it was 3-4 tanks wailing at the enemy, but yeah I guess I see your point.
Philippines. The region is Philippines
Darren Josef Kho I'll have to consider creating an account there thank you but to clarify I meant season 2 as in you could just sort of do w/e you wanted back then haha, wasn't ban hammer central (over picks or play styles at least
Hojuphasi Well that's because back then you can win with practically ANYONE as long as you build 4-5 sunfires and a fon... Ah those were the days...
My question is still about WHY BARD IS ALLOWEED TO DO IT BUT SINGED NOT.
Basically you don't play league to have fun, you play to win. So as long your team wins, it doesn't matter if everyone had a good and funny game. They even said that in message.
In ranked you play to win. That isn't weird to me. That is also the reason why I do not play ranked because I want to have fun
yeah, in ranked you play to fucking win. he can do his strategy in normals if he does it just for fun.
He did win though, he played to win even, the problem was communication. Now how do you communicate with mouth breathers in ranked League? I don't know, I've yet to understand the species.
Maarten Boender if you don't have fun playing the game, why play it?
Olaf Jorigson i play for fun, in normals. in ranked you play to win.
"ITS ALSO CLEAR THE PLAYER STRUGGLES TO EFFECTIVELY COMMUNICATE INTENTIONS AND STRATEGY TO TEAMATES" ... I SAW IN VID THAT ADDELLAIDESKYHEART ALWAYS TELLS HIS TEAMATES FIRST THING WHEN HE GETS IN A GAME WHAT SHE/HE IS DOING
I really like how we the community try to rescue this guy but a part of this community was the reason why he almost got ban
They condradict themselves soo much..
They people supporting adelle? Yes they do indeed
Riot contradict themselves. They do it multiple times throughout that thread. I read the whole thing, all Riot employee responses and many other comments. They are full of shite, basically.
both sides contradict themselves. but riot keep saying if people dont agree with what you do and your strategies, its lack of communication and bannable. but then they say not buying a sightstone isnt bannable. but if the team doesnt agree with it, then its bannable... thats just one example.
Basically riot need a new system and new rules. because none of this should even happen, also voice comms would improve the game dramatically as long as they can set up some kind of restriction for toxic players.
when does more rules solved problems?
If you just keep adding rules you will end up needing lawyer for video game.
Rules are simple but i can see most people lack common sense.
1v2 farming isn't bad at all as long as you're not trying to poke or kill the 2 you're against. You can even manage it on teemo vs people of similar skill lvl.
"Telling them to 1v2 pushes them out of their comfort zone"...
So Gromp, what you're trying to say is that riot encourages innovative play, but if it pushes people out of the norm (which mind you, that is exactly what innovative play WILL do), it's a mistake/bad choice? Then what keeps the scene fresh? Like who came up with the idea to put ADC and support up top against the single top laner while leaving your top to 1v2 at bot? That was considered innovative play, but then adopted to become the meta for a while. To create new metas, players should be willing and permitted to try out different tactics, not to be threatened against. Also on the point of effectively communicating said idea to the team, a few fundamental problems will always exist:
1. Inefficiency of type to chat. Most large fast paced games have adopted voice comms to enable fast and effective communication (take HotS and Overwatch as an example). This generally leads to more communication and less frustration over the playerbase.
2. However, no matter how effective communication may be, League of Legends is a global game, with (presuming said singed player is on NA) NA being one of its largest servers. Inevitably there will be communication barriers, eg. Language, vocabulary diversity, etc. with this in the way, you can't expect a player to explain their entire strategy and game plan in the short champion selection.
I'm not here to point out the faults of the system or anything like that, but I just feel it's unfair to threaten to take action against a player when the largest fault (or so the post would make it sound like) lies in the lack of technology/means of communication. As my friend said when he watched this video, "You can't expect a man to call someone without a phone, so how can you expect this player to effectively communicate their strats and plays in an inefficient environment?"
ADCs report all their teammates when they lose, even if they go 0/17/2
So true. I had a Vayne that fed her ass off, blamed Bard, then came top saying "duo top". After our loss: "GG report Poppy for taking my farm".
God, I hate ADCs
my adc went mid because he was salty at me and i had to solo bot as a janna support and i got the higher total damage somehow and the adc was still flaming me and reported me because i didnt tower dive with him when we were level 4. and according to riot i should be banned for that
I don't feel comfortable when i see yasuo top between 5-6pm on wednesdays. Lets ban all thoose!!!
Double standard RIOT. Trolls, afk, feeders not banned? But banning non flexible role? Good job RIOT.
This Singed main needs a youtube channel
he has one
It's awesome that you brought attention to it, especially in this clear way. I wasn't aware of this until recently, but I feel like it's been... solved? What Riot Gromp said makes total sense to me. I hope that he will continue to communicate and be flexible and that players will be a bit more tolerant for his playstyle.
I'm confused here, they say HE needs to communicate with his team and he does, but just because they don't agree with his decision doesn't make it wrong.
You don't win games purely by playing Meta, i think I've said before its like those players who have bad games, they don't get banned and Riot say you cant report someone for having a bad game.
Yet this guy plays support Singed with 50% win rate out of like 2000 games, that's a hell of a statistic so clearly his strategy works, and i wonder how much of him losing games is purely down to his strategy and how much is it down to his team mates simply playing bad.
There seems to be a clear bias here from Riot, because from what they've said is that the current Meta is going to stay and remain stale because if you go off Meta its bannable.
This is the reason LOL will die soon, Riot have changed from being a Dev of the People for the People, and more to a company that is focused on itself and their money.
Something they said they would never do, people always complain, its in their nature, and people never blame themselves, if all the team say its Singeds Fault then they all say it because it means they dont have to own up to them playing bad. Thats the cause of most reports i feel, and i've been guilty of that myself, reporting people cos i lost a game didnt play well but rather than admit that i blamed someone else.
Its because riot is a bad company that cares more for the meta then anything else.
Riot how now opened a huge can of worms. If a pre-made team of let's say 3 say you need to pick a tank support or tank jungler and you don't. They can now report you for not communicating with the team. Forcing the ADC to 1 v 2 bot lane, because of a roam or counter gank. I am now going to report every single support that leaves bot lane before the tower is gone. This type of system they just said they now are using is going to be abused to such an extent more people are going to make 3-4 man pre-mades just to report the 1 or 2 randoms they are with. This has now taken up a whole new level of trolls and toxic people.
I can feel you man ^^
Hands down one of the best lol channels out there. Other channels would have ignored this but it's awesome for you to post this and helping players.
Back in the early seasons the meta was always changing with various lane combos and and champs being played all over the place. BUT riot has now locked us into 1 top 1 jungle 1 mid and adc/support bot, we can't innovate new ideas and try new team layouts or positions because it's a reportable offence. How can we expect to make new meta's when we have to play the same way every match. This was especially bad when they introduced dynamic queue because the layout of your team is decided before you even queue up. Riot are suffocating our innovation with these new queues and banning/warning us when we try and make a change. There is so much more to say on this and we should push for a change!
That's some of the reasons which makes me miss old draft.
Jack Owen fuck making new metas, what if I want to play what's fun to me and what is popular isn't fun to me? i play a lot of competitive games. this is the only game i have heard of threatening some shit like this. i can understand if he was trolling be hes not. its a video game. for fun. trying to fucking oppress people on virtual reality lmao its a joke.
Komatose MKDOA ikr
the problem isn't him coming up with new strategies, the problem is that not everyone on his team is on board on what hes trying to do. you can't force some weird strat on people who are not ok with it.
play to win? ähmmm... isnt fun the higher priority?
this game is not fun thats why people rage so much when they lose. If this game was fun all around people would not be raging.
It is ranked after all
Yup i play league with competetive playstyle so if i lose or i die i need to buy another keyboard and mouse.
In normal, yes. In ranked, no.
well some people care about their elo and want to get better at the game by playing against opponent with more skill. in other words you can have fun in ranked as long as it doesn't disturbs greatly the progression of the other players on your team.
so it's ok to play your way, as long as your team gives you permission. That'd be like blizzard saying "sure you can play your monk as dps, but only if the 3 other random people in the group are ok with it, otherwise you must go zdps". Also, if I'm reading this right, it's ok for me to report my adcs for going to farm golems while I try to solo defend tower because they are behind in lane and enemy is pushed to our tower because it stresses me.
There you can see how shit this game has become. There is no room to building your own playstyle. It exists ecaxtly 1 itemset for each of the 20-30 so called "Meta-Champions" and if you dont pick them or build the itemset you get reported by your team and as it looks you also get banned by Rito.
Its a fucking game and a game should be played because its fun and not because there is exactly one best champion for each role and if you don't pick this champion you can get reported "because you don't want your team to win".
But wait guys, maybe tomorrow someone picks support Singed in lcs, then you are allowed to play it without getting banned. But remember: Don't try it now because you are definitely trolling. Who cares if this guy can carry him to platinum with Support Singed.
Yeah sounds legit Rito. I personally really liked the game in season 2 and 3 because way less player cared only about winning.
But now there are way better and funnier games then League of Legends.
and this is why your silver
And he isnt playing his role his going jungling and leaving adc to 1v2, where does it end should i as a adc go mid and help mid? You cant play what you want but atleast stick to your role
And so what if he is silver lol? He clearly stated in his comment that he plays to have fun, as do most people on this game.
Those brand supports who skip sight stone and build full AP and taking all the kills, if it wasn't for a pro player or Korean. The same shit would happen
here's the thing, if that brand player did all that even though his team ASKED HIM NOT TO would get that player in trouble. He didn't get punished for playing OFF META, he got punished because he didn't listen to his team when they asked him NOT TO PLAY SINGED SUPPORT. one of the rules is literally "Have fun, but not at the cost of others", he was playing to have HIS OWN FUN, disregarding whether or not his team was enjoying it
Rushboots no, that's not the point, if you don't want to support vayne that's your own issue, the issue here was that his team didn't want him playing off meta. while it sounds stupid to have to bow to what your team wants this is a team game.
Calisong So he should just listen to whiny assholes and get banned because they didn't get their ideal support. If he's winning the fucking game and you give him a chance to play what he wants and is comfortable with doing and it WORKS which it does then there should no problem. You sound it like he's trolling and just ignoring requests on purpose. He has a 53% winrrate which I can say is better Winrrate than most of us have ever gotten. You don't need to play a certain way to play this game. Remember if you wanna climb don't blame your teammates you're basically saying report my teammates for doing this and then and you're excusing people's bad attitudes because they refuse to give the guy a chance so they afk, or instead of adpating(the adcs). "Players who curse at their teammates lose 27% more games". " do not report someone for breaking the meta game". Let's not forget that supports let their ADC 2v1 all the damn time to roam and ward the maps ur not bound to bot lane until laning phase. Bard is a good example of that he leaves to get chimes and roams. If the ADC dies that's their damn fault
Calisong iif its a team game you wanna play your very best way to help your team. His strat is literally get enemy jungle behind and keep it that way. If that's not your helping the team then I'm afraid you don't even know what the definition of the word help.
Yes,, apparently if it puts you on tilt and you don't agree with their pick regardless if they are 100% win rate with it...
i.e. IF you cry enough, you get rewarded...
I'm glad you made this video because I highly doubt RIOT would have made this response if there wasn't any coverage.
The fcking ADC needs to learn how to be defensive then, pff
If you play 1 v 2 and you have to play defensive you wont get any gold and barely any EXP if the enemies know how to abuse a 1 v 2 lane.
he gets bullied and cant cs well. csing is with no doubt the most important thing as an adc...pff
Energy Cookie no? Unless you want to have 5 cs when laning phase ends then sure, but anyone with a decent sized brain knows would be able to push the advantage and kill the solo laner. most meta supports have a form of hard cc, and do good damage early. Literally if you leave tower you'll die
Leave tower? You mean, get near your lane.
+OwGash yah, at level 6 they'll just start diving lol
How can you fkin flame someone playing else than you would...
If you ask "can I play singed support and counterjungle" and 4 of your teammates say no and you play it regardless and you starve your own jungler. You didn't understand the concept of a team game
Layla dog Starve your own jungler? I think you didnt understand the concept... you even see in the video... he steals TWO camps of the ENEMY JUNGLER... You see at the beginning he take enemy wolves and enemy blue... Idiot.. dont be blind and than blame! There are more than enough screenshots showing that his m8s arent saying anything at all in 70% of the time!
Layla dog someone's an angry meta slave
FL Dino Gnar Did you read the text? There have been multiple occations were his jungler reported him for taking friendly camps thus taking exp and gold of their own jungler
Layla dog Nope!
I'm really not sure what my thoughts are on this one. the entirety of the comments seem to be against riots decision to ban him, but I bet EVERYONE who has played ranked has reported someone (or at least considered) because their wildly off meta pick didn't go well. I'm also sure that none of those people checked the winrate of that AP zed support main, and would be very happy if he received a temporary ban. Of course off meta picks should be allowed, but if it's SO off meta it GUARANTEES your ADC and your jungle to be under farmed then what's the difference between that and trolling?
Why does he have to be the flexible one???? Are u serious??Everyone should be flexible and he says that is his play see if u can be flexible or ask him kindly if he is willing to switch up his strategy a little. Its how the game works. Not 1 but 5 players should all be flexible.
Have you not read the replies? He left a Janna at bot 1v2 to fulfill a similar role when he was taking adc (he had smite and yada), he himself wasn't flexible.
I like how this guy is innovative but there is a limit to how much you can leave a poor sod at 1v2 at bot lane. Especially in this meta where a team with better cohesion can make bot lane from a 2v2 lane to a 2v4-5 lane.
DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT PEOPLE WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS DIFFERENT. IF JANNA ISN'T FLEXIBLE BY PLAYING A VERY SAFE LANE THEN THAT'S HER FAULT.
Jared Chapman and what if she was playing a very safe lane and still dies and loses it?
Then she is doing something wrong.
I always prepick in pick-ban ranking game. When I saw a weird SP champ (Lux, Nidalee, ZED, YASUO...). I changed to safe-play ADC immediately (Tris, Sivir, Lucian...) Just in case if they have some weird tactic or trolling.
Back to AdellaideSkyhart's problem.
First: if the ADC die after a roaming of SP. That mean the ADC is TOO NOOB to play ADC.
Second: Bard created for roaming SP, some of them build AD, some passed sight stone,...is it worst to report Bard players too?
Third: How about Irven??? Same problem!
Bonus: How about FKING MF SUPPORT!? I suffered this FKING SP champ alots
I'm talking about the serious playing, serious rank-climbing. I still want to see some odd, fun, trolling tactic, but not in that case! It's normal match, it's different!!!
i play sp vel' koz and for the sp to leave their adc alone in early to mid laning pace occasionally is like giving me and my adc free kill whenever we roam or stick to btm lane...
If the enemy adc and support are half decent they will dive the shit out of that adc.
As an adc, not having a support, forces me to farm under turret, if the enemy adc has higher range(so I'm twitch against cait for instance) or other forms of poke, i'll get harrased to no end by the adc, and if the adc is paired with a support like thresh, blitz or nautilus etc it's easy to get kills on me.
I get more exp but around a third of the gold that I would normally get, which isn't good as that means that even if they can't dive me yet, it'll happen soon.
Also ganks even if powerful, have to be coordinated with the jungler so he doesn't push under any circumstance.
If a lane gets frozen on you as solo adc you might as well afk.
so what?
This makes me happy to see that he won't be permabanned. I had an intense 1 on 1 conversation with a riot employee about the issue and I linked videos (there was video evidence of him copy/paste his strategy with other players) and such to express how I felt. I hope he finds an adc who will play this meta with him. I've seen the smite blitz plays and this is really no different.
Ban Singded supp? Ok but plz ban yasuo mains too .
Just suspend them randomly for 2 weeks 20 times a year.
"play more flexibly" lolol tells player they're in trouble for playing a different play style and doing positively and not the players who can only play one way and still barely play that one way G G 10/1 best kapparino
The funny thing here, Is that theres no communication involved for the most part and theyr trying to enforce the illusion that there is, Put it this way.
Jungler moves trowardes Dragon, If he dosen't talk or Ping do you know what hes doing? Will he ping before hes there, Or when he starts? Nobody agreed to help him with Dragon before he pinged and started it?
No communication involved, Nither does most brusiers such has mundo tell theyr team when hes about to dive, Or when hes split pushing so don't team fight.
As you said Theyr playing the same way over, and over until they know what to expect, But if you play in the same expectable way people who actully know how to play the game will shift the game, Do something abnormal and crush you when you fail to respond.
League needs to grow up.
Haha nice dude u're awesome having such a big impact for the good.
The Janna example kinda got it for me, even tho it's a bit different to the actual situation
ok riot so ban me now. cause I play fiddle and yas supp. btw what about trundle supp?! we need to see some korean bans too. btw faker plays yi mid. deft plays tf adc. huntzer picked teemo on lcs. oh noooo what about tf jungle on lcs by Curse.
according to this game and riot's own logic most of these guys troll picked and deserve to be banned.
back in season 1 fnatic played against the meta and invented the 1-1-1-2 positioning.seasons later we have seen how awesome lane swaps worked out. cop picked urgot at lcs after a long time against bijergsen right in the lcs.
*if you want to move forward you must think different to make difference.*
I have played this game from beta till now. but.... farewell league of legends...
saeed atenzi It not because he is playing singed. It is because of his unconventional playstyle. Your logic is flawed.
scarbaloo Your logic is flawed, ''it is not because he plays Singed but because of his unconventional playstyle'', which is playing Singed
did you watch the video?
the only reason riot banned him was because of his lack of communication and failure to cooperate with his team. picking something unconventional when he knows his adc can't handle the 1v2 for even 10 min and refusing to communicate and play something that may better help his team 100% of the time. basically they want him t ostop intentionally tilting his teams when they fail to understand or feel comfortable with his decisions.
BoxCutter Isn't it the problem then? That THEY are the ones who fail to understand this strategy? If an ADC wants that Singed to adapt to his playstyle, they should know that in Solo Queue there is no captain, no leader. He cannot force others to do what he wants. Maybe the ADC should adapt to the playstyle Singed uses? Think about it for a while
kapitan19969838 Or maybe the Singed should adapt to the other 4 players that is strongly against it why should he do what he wants but not the other? your logic is flawed as you blame other
"The line here is the player repeatedly showing no flexibility in the face of resistance to their strategies, and consistently forcing teammates into a wildly different bot lane experience hundreds of times" Yeah, if you're going to abandon bot lane as support and leave your ADC to 1v2 the laning phase while you go off and do what you want, where you want, whether they like it or not or regardless of anything else, you deserve to have your account suspended for weeks at a time. I bet he wont be so selfish and strong headed (in a team game) anymore ;)
im not one to talk but the previous video prior to this one talked about him countering the red or blue buff from the enemy jungle and transition to maybe a gank at mid or top then he stays bot for the rest of the laning phase, you saying he "abandons" the adc is just immature.
Belmont Andrew you basing judgments off one 2min gameplay vid of one play in one match is much more immature than i could ever be.
i had a source which I based my judgement off , you had nothing. You're prolly just salty. its aight kiddo.
Belmont Andrew Your "source" was about as good and reliable as saying it must be true cause you saw it on the internet (LOL) my source was from the people that have all the information and evidence at hand, Riot. derp....
That's how I see this whole situation and its a legitimate reason to suspend or ban someone. Communication with your team is not just telling them what you are going to do regardless of what they say. If someone were to be in your game and tell you that they are going to go full ad 100% crit sona support and just roam and if the team doesn't want that and the sona does this anyway, does this player deserve to be reported? Of course. I don't understand why people acting like what the singed did shouldn't be reported, punished, or banned for doing something like this when I know that most people would report people who do shit like this and call them trolls.
Also Belmont: Unless your "source" is a live video footage of all 100% of the singed's games your "source" isn't that creditable
and now they encourages Veigar jungle
Have you ever heard of not being level 30 and duo top lane? Yeah sometimes you have to 1 v 2
Who cares it's out of an adc's "comfort zone" it's called farming under tower. When supports roam adc's should play safe anyways.
lol as much as I do want this guy to be free to do what he is doing, not every1 can handle it. And in some matchups, even pros would struggle to get even half the cs the other adc does just because the freeze the wave and zone
I'm silver and still witness 2 toplaners shit tilted me so much Friday
In high elo a good duo bot will freeze and the adc will be out of the game for a long time. It is impossible if you don't have a mobile adc they will even dive you in turret and it is not bronze or silver where they might give a double, trust me it will be a successful dive. If you are the adc in his team and you play sth like ashe or kogmaw, you will basically watch most of the game.
Sir foulis feed not one adc has carried in my games top and jg usually do
so.... if i and my group of 3 friends go into a game the other random player has to play the champion we want? wtf riot. another thing, so... if i dont like the champion that my teammate is playing i can report him, if the jungler doesnt gank me i can report him? wtf riot
its more a case of him playing the support then both leaving the adc to fend for themselves while at the same time killing friendly jungle creeps and starving his jungler of exp and gold. is trying this out bad? no hell it probably works great but if both the adc and the jungler are falling behind and he refuses to listen to them (the posts on the forums pointed out a few cases of this) then chances are both players will get tilted if he doesn't either help them or even respond to them when they ask for help. to sum it up this strat probably works amazing BUT since it is one that requires multiple people on your team to play around it shouldn't be one that you force on your team if they don't feel like they are up to it.
KingHit152 but at the same time it puts the enemy jungler behind and it tilts the enemy jungler as well. i am a jungle main myself and each time i get counter jungled, i get salty as fuck and be tilted until i could try to get some kills or assists to regained half to 1/3 of the exp lost from a camp. at this pre season, jungle spawn times are longer and u get more exp from farming in jungle then laning so his strats is ridiculously effective to make it a 4v5 with the jungler out of the picture.
I love this channel my dude, I havent played league in a month because I just got into CSGO again. I still really enjoy your content though, especially these types of videos that bring up discussion. I believe this game needs a voicechat because that would make communication much easier.
So If I do not play how my team wants me to play I can get banned? They get to choose what champion I play and what strategy I use as long as they all agree upon it? I get no say in how I play as long as the rest of the team disagrees with me? Are you fucking slow in the head Riot?
People bitching here don't realise that if they accepted this stuff it would mean a support LeBlanc could steal all your farm and wouldn't get banned as long as she kept a positive win rate and tried to win. It's always a bit more complicated than letting people do whatever they want.
well a positive win rate means its working, adc's dont have to be the hero carrying the game, the only thing tht matters is enemy nexus exploding, not your cs looking pretty. how about you realise that this stratergy is more likely to succeed than fail and he is being punished for it, and his win rate is over a 1000 game spectrum, so its not just a one off.
James Rogers That's the problem. I know win rate is not reflected in one particular game. But the gross majority of people don't realise that. How many times have you said "that guy doesn't deserve X elo" after watching one game or even one play? A positive win rate won't stop you from feeling like you lost a game because Y or Z happened even if Y or Z happening have a positive win rate, since you won't know everyone's and every build's win rate. It's an annoying reality, but unless everyone is willing to lower their standards and stop complaining about any build of people that's trying to win, this stuff can't be overcome.
As a side note, after certain amount of games in one elo, it's quite easy to get a positive win rate playing anything that has the ability to win a game.
Wow! Watching since 8K ! Nice to see you grow, keep it up, man!
Who came here because of Nubrac?
League has the most stale meta out of any competitive game I've ever seen..
Congrats on 100K subs bro
riot is full of kids jesus
U first like,then watch the video
Otakku Lover you know it
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thats not what the like/dislike system was made for. u cant say that you like a Video before u watched it
Dr Rainbow meta slave hahah :P
Dr Rainbow i just wanted a reply from MikiC 😨
seems it was dealt fairly and even evenhandedly. I personally feel the suspension was appropriate but the initial fed back from riot wasn't very illuminating regarding weather the strategy itself was what was causing the reports, so its good to see that a more thoughtful and considered post was made. GL in the new season!
Riot is a Joke.
*Riot is shit.....*
"Hey, who said that!"
-.No One-
lolTheBronzeKing Riot is shit. And I mean this seriously.
is that even a question thats a 100% fact bc not a single riot member has got to challenger legit
The new Riot is shit.
I want old LoL and Rioters back :_:
True story, when I called them out on a bogus report (5 enemy players reported me 2 games in a row, premade, no negative reason). My account and my support ticket mysteriously vanished.
I had the screenshots for a couple years, but no longer have them (lost through hd failure/not caring to maintain them).
they arent saying dont do what hes doing - they are saying be previously q'd with someone who is ok with it. he is leaving his ADC out to dry until level 3. therin lies the issue. unless he states before locking singed "hey, im gonna do this" then its a lack of communication
wookie cookie!? ahahaha the funniest name ever
hope he doesn't see this comment in here...
It becomes so simple if you put yourself in the ADC place, playing 1v2 on bot while Singed try his "inovated" gameplay, with the risk (obviously) be stompted on bot lane. If he gets reported that's nothing to deal with Riot, he is report for refusing to comunicate. If the team agreeds on his diferent gameplay, ok, do it man. If they don't he cant be surprised for being reported.
If i get anyone of you in a game, i will play teemo jungler and i will be invisible on enemy red the whole game waiting for the enemy jungler to be there and try kill him, dont report me, its an inovation. I though about this my whole League Of Legends amateur player career.
Come on, is so simple. He is playing the inovation, but also disrespecting his team is certain ways. Get out of the box and think for yourselfs.
very awesome to know that we can get together into riot and ask for changes for what we believe in, we got listened and that means very much to me
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