Restoring Car Batteries with Epsom Salts - Does it Work?
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- I had a few old car batteries around that were in a sad state. I wanted to see if I could give them some more life using Epsom Salts. Plenty of info on the internet and TH-cam about the process. Here is my first attempt.
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We used to do this in the Navy, because lead acid batteries were made of unobtainium in the supply system, but when we emptied out the acid, we added a step filling the battery with hot (very warm not boiling) distilled water with a cup of baking soda and let that sit for about 3-4 hours in the battery then drain and flush it again with hot (very warm) distilled water and flush that out. That step used to get a lot of the sulfates inside on the plates, pretty gross stuff would come out.
Then added the epsom salt solution and charged at @ 2 amps for 4-5 days.
Results were mixed, usually at best we got another year or two out of the battery. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for the video. I drained my battery, then rinsed it with a baking soda solution a couple of times. Added the Epsom salt solution, charged and discharged 3 times, and I am very impressed. The battery was not taking charge before. It only went up to about 8V. Now it sits at around 12.7V. Thanks
How long did you charge before draining?
Ive been watching a few of these videos on refurbing the old battery. The better results take time. Some charge to full them drain it to 60-70% with lights or radios, then recharge it again, One guy did this for the course of a week and he's had no problems starting his car in the mornings. Its worth a try.... Like everything that might save a penny or two.
By the time you've messed around that much you might as well buy a new battery 🤷♂️
Thanks for the video. Would have been interesting to see if you had completed a few discharge / charge cycles after putting in the fresh mix of epsom salts. Charge up, discharge using a light bulb or some other load to 10.5 volts. Do this 3 or 4 times and see if the CCA goes up after each time.
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I appreciate your honest approach to this experiment. If it doesn't work that is valuable information and not a waist of time (as some write in their comments)! I'm why it doesn't work or why some claim it does. What's the chemistry justification as an explanation?
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Thanks for your effort, it was really interesting. Give the Moggie a hug from me. All the best!
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There are several tips for battery reconditioning
never attempt to do this until you know what you are doing - the acid can burn your skin
Test the voltage first - there may be a dead cell which would waste your time.
Check the battery fluid.
attempt to fully charge the battery.
(I discovered about these and more on Jons Mender Guide site )
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dude - thank you so much for your honesty
A good quality video. I like the way you followed up answering questions in the comments. I think acid replacement is the key after desulphation.
Absolutely that's the way to go but the Internet said this will work 🤣 we proved it didn't. Cheers
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@@Badgertronix I think you may need to replace the sulphuric acid with fresh 30% mix W/W.
Excellent video
I am trying from many day but this video gave me complete knowledge
It's been over a year and I don't see any follow-up so I'm guessing you gave up. I'd actually like to encourage you to try again but this time, after initial charge, simply discharge the battery and recharge. You will likely find that each recharge is quicker and that there is a boost in the CCA. You'll want to run this cycle a few times and once you see no more improvement and that the reconditioned state is acceptable, replace the salt solution with normal battery acid. The idea is that each recharge phase "cleans" a bit more build-up on the electrodes allowing electrons to flow more freely through the solution.
Thanks for your comment.... you're the first I've heard describe the charge/discharge, repeat, then acid process.
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Please read my comment, as he has also done it wrong.
What comment of yours? and Who is "he" in your statement?@@shawntilton9170
I was wondering why he left the MgSO₄ solution in the battery. I would use that to clean the battery and plates, drain, strain, and add the acid back to the battery.
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I think the problem with the EPSOM salt (MgSO4) is, that when charged, metallic Mg will perhaps form superficial alloys with the lead surface of the cathode, which on the other hand would reduce the overall capacity of the accumulator. But this is just a speculation. An idea would be to drain off the MgSO4 solution after the first charge/discharge, wash the battery with distilled water and refill it with diluted sulfuric acid.
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Lead and magnesium are both cations so I doubt it’s an alloy. Sulfates can be hard to remove especially on old batteries
That defeats the whole purpose of the show,this show is regarding charging old batteries with Epsom Salt,not Sulfuric Acid... Well ya,duh,no shit, were not talking about acid,were talking ORGANIC SALT, THATS "ALL"...
El problema es que drenan, no drenen, agreguen las sales y agua destilada y les ayudará unos meses, también no crean que quedarán como nuevas y que les evitará comprar una nueva
I have done similar by adding ES to the existing electrolyte.I have been doing it for 40 odd years and generally have succeeded in extending the life of batterys so treated.
I have seen other people using baking soda mixed with water to clean out the cells a couple times this will remove dirt from the plates.
This will help the batteries amp output
I've had luck draining the acid into a container then using the baking soda and water to rinse the cells until it clears up. Fill a funnel with cotton balls pour the acid through it fill the battery back up with it. Then put on a 50 to 60 amp charge for 15 minutes at a time letting it rest for a few hours in between until charged . Then you should have fairly new battery
What do you think about dumping the acid and just rinsing really well with distilled water 5 times? The baking soda definitely makes sense if you are priming the battery for magnesium sulfate, but does it make sense if you are going to reload the acid right back in? Maybe, maybe not. I don't know, and it isn't a topic many cover.
I did what you did, including a three good distilled water rinses between the baking soda wash and reloading the acid, but the battery died again after just over a week. I think it likely has too much residue on the bottom because the now dead again cell migrates to a neighboring cell after I jar the battery around a little bit.
I'm contemplating trying to clean the battery out again, because it did revive a dead cell the first go around. However, I'm questioning if the baking soda adds value over a distilled water rinse.
@@wellnesspathforme6236 I had read in the past about using dish detergent with the distilled water to wash out the battery.
@@michaelsnow7362 I did yoeman's work trying to rehab two batteries. Drilled hiles in the bottom to clean them better. Charged with a stick welder.
My conclusion is take really good care of your batteries. Period. Never drain them. Ever. If they aren't abused and fail with age, you can probably rehab them with various stick welder or other techniques.
But if they are seriously abused... try it, but don't bank on it working.
The only thing I didn't try is a chemical that is supposed to take the sulfate off the plates. Used batteries are $50 for decent ones, so I went that route.
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I've seen people use the baking soda in a water solution to wash the plates in the battery. Pour the baking soda solution into the acid that's left over and make it inert before you even drain it. Then do a couple of rinses in the plates, re-drain a couple of times and voila, cleanish or cleaner plates. Seemed to make a big difference . Great video 🙂
Retired Mechanic. Years ago a customer wanted his battery changing of a split charger system on his car. Ie his caravan battery heavy duty. I asked if I could have it , Then drained all the Acid out. Then upside down flushed out with a hose to remove as many particles out as possible. The firms Sparky said flush at least twenty minutes. Then refiled with new fresh Acid very carefully. Used it for a year. Sold it to a mate for his very high compression rally car. For 3 more years. Then he sold it to someone else. Luck or science. Your call folks. adding water to Acid in battery ok. BUT adding Acid to water needs a lot of care. Battery was still wet inside. Out of ten batteries only repaired three successfully.
Okay is it safe to simply top up your battery with the distilled water and epsom salt concoction? I'm planning to try that tomorrow. These are fairly new batteries which are already failing.
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My dad retired from AC Delco, (battery div) and he said you can't use any water in a battery that has touched metal. (ionization thing) Also, I understand when doing this process, a low amperage charge over longer time is preferred. Also, you need to completely neutralize old acid and rinse out with baking soda, / clean distilled water. Your new battery is not an acid battery, you can't mix acid with the new mag sulphate electrolyte at all. Okay,I'm glad you got to hear from me. :)
Exactly, precisely and to the point. I was going to reccoment that. Need to clean out the inside of the battery and get out all the acid with baking soda. I would reccomend letting the battery set a while with the baking soda/water concoction in it, shake it around a bit and emptying it, then repeating once or twice more to get it real clean inside, then fill her up with the old saltwater, and trickle charge it for a few days, wiith a dumb charger though, so it can steadily charge without the charger cutting on and off.
@@garypowell4565 that's the proper way to do it ....and it will work .....
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If you won't mind i want to ask you about this
Your new batter is not an acid battery.
Is that meant for restored battery
I believe that a lot of the problem is the crud building up in the bottom of the battery. Flush it out several times and get out as much as you can. Then refill with new acid, leave it to settle for a day then charge it. Worked for me anyway, I did it two years ago to an almost dead 7 year old original battery on my Kia Rio diesel. Two years and two UK winters later it's still working.
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Shedding is real, or 'buckling' as they call it in the industry.
Sometimes you luck out and are able to do as you did, however most of the times it sheds such that it shorts out killing a cell and is not able to be flushed/vibrated/jiggled out.
I’ve seen a demonstration where they flushed the battery with DI water, then flushed with bicarbonate water then flushed with DI water and then added the magnesium sulfate. It worked well for them
Would love to see a followup commentary! I tried this on a battery and initially the results were poor, so I ended up leaving it in a shed to power a light. It's hooked up to a solar charger which floats the battery constantly. After over a year, I tested the battery for fun and noticed it's almost like new again! So maybe it takes some time for the sulphation to knock off. I was pretty surprised.
I had similar results with a solar charger. I had used a solar trickle panel in the past: 30 years ago it worked well to greatly extend car battery life until the panel wiring shorted. I bought a new one more recently and it was worthless. It just never worked in the first place and the wiring failed really quickly. I noticed that the voltage from the new battery "maintainer" panel was much higher than 12 volts and I thought that could be a problem. I did some research and found that in the last 30 years solar panels have become more efficient which has upped their voltage. This is good for use with charge controllers and inverters, but really bad for a trickle panel. So I bought a flexible 20 watt solar panel and a cheap $12 charge controller off ebay. (I recommend a glass HQST panel: flexible is junk.) The charge controller pushes 1/10 of a volt more than whatever the battery is currently holding. Your car battery just won't take a charge from the alternator at 14.4volts when the battery voltage has slipped down to 10 volts. A battery that has gone flat for a few days also will not hold a charge long even if you can get it up high enough to start the car. A poorly closed car door shorted out an older Costco Interstate car battery during covid when we weren't driving too much. I put the solar/charge controller rig on there and was eventually able to start the car and drive away but got stranded as it wouldn't take a charge from the alternator. I figured I would have to buy a new battery but left the solar/charge controller rig on the battery, so the car would start when I got around to going to Costco. The charge controller conveniently shows voltage so it was easy to observe that my charging voltage was slowly creeping up and the ability for the battery to hold a charge overnight was also creeping up. After a week I was able to drive off without getting stranded, but I left it on longer than that and the battery was eventually returned to almost new condition. It is slow. I have brought brand new car batteries with lower voltage and alternators pumping 14.4 volts only while you drive will never bring those batteries up to a decent holding voltage. There is nothing like charge controlled solar.
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Not surprised. If you look into the science behind sulfation its pretty interesting. The key thing I learned from Batteryvitamin was how porous the plates/anode/cathodes are, and how its not just surface desulfation that is the problem. The sulfation tendrils work their way deeper into the plates and anode, and unless you have a minor case of sulfation, it takes multiple rounds of desulfating to first get the surface cleared, and then work out the deep tendrils.
Sounds like the light in your shed was low enough draw at night to not fully discharge the battery such that it was continually able to charge fully and then float charge over a long enough time to get that deep sulfation mostly cleared out.
Got a couple old batteries I think I'll do similar with as an experiment.
Great video, but one thing I was left uncertain of. You mention putting the new solution from the pan/stove into the old battery acid, and then into the battery. Was that the actual step, or were you correcting what you said? Your video seemed to only go from pan to battery, but what you said was pan to old acid, then the battery (at 4min 10 sec).
I'm using a similar method to try and save a couple batteries. Not yet finished, but expect similar results based on 12 hrs into the charging.
You may have had better results by flushing and repeating the salt process until the voltage and CCA peaked. Then add the correct electrolyte, which is acid, which is required to create the proper chemical reaction on the lead plates, by literally eating on them, which produces electrons, which releases ions into the acid, which is what produces current.
What kind of acid would you recommend using if you want to trip balls I mean get the battery to work again?
@@zoharflax6363 Sulfuric
@@jlbush8249 My battery is not holding a very good charge, the colder it is outside the less of a charge the battery has to start my car. I have watched tons of videos and from what i gather is, dump out all old acid, pour in distilled water and keep flushing until the water is clear and then replace with brand new acid? Let charge for 24 hours and should be good?
@@ericc8895 Yes, however, you should also try and clean the inside of the battery with a 50/50 mix of Epson Salt and distilled water and shake and let set for an hour. Then a 50/50 mix of baking soda and distilled water and shake and let set for an hour. Rinse the battery well and re-fill with the proper electrolyte. Get a starting voltage and monitor it during the cleaning process to see if the cleaning process is helping clean the battery plates. Hopefully, you will see a rise to a normal voltage through the cleaning process.
the voltage being added to the magnesium sulfide and water solution is producing sulfuric acid and magnesium hydroxide and then the sulfuric acid and magnesium hydroxide are recombining into magnesium sulfide, with hydrogen and oxygen gas being trapped in the cells. this process could slowly build up magnesium hydroxide solute on the cathodes and slowly concentrate sulfuric acid at the anodes over time. at some point there won't be any water left though and you'll just have to release the gas and add more water. also at some point you'll have to remove the magnesium hydroxide from the cathodes. It would be better to use a throw away battery and deconstruct it to have just one anode and one cathode and then use that with the epsom salt to concentrate sulfuric acid to add to a properly cleaned battery's cells.
Interesting test Jonathan! Shame it didn't work but I enjoyed it anyway 👍😂😂 Merry Christmas to you and yours ♥️
Happy New Year Niamh. It was worth a try and I had fun. Cheers!
You saved me the trouble of watching the video.
Before you add the epsom salt solution and after you dump the acid out flush the battery with baking soda and water to get as much of the sulfation deposits out of the battery! Much success!
I googled some info and found that people were using bicarb and vinager. Had a old deep cycle century battrey I tried took the old acid out and filled it with bicarb and vinager and topped with demin. Battrey original sat at 200cca based over 450cca. After I let the charger sit on it for 2 days came back and said 390cca over 450cca. Said good recharge. So I have just been charging it then taking it off a day and then recharging it. And seems to bring it up. Worth a try for you mate
Um .... At what point did you drain the MgSO electrolyte and replace it with clean Sulphuric acid again?? Also, as others have mentioned, a higher amp initial charge is likely to increase your success rate. I tend to jump mine directly off of a running vehicle to get the required amperage. YMMV.
Works great if you leave about 70 percent acid in the battery.. The guys that pour all the acid out fail everytime. The epsom salts breaks down the buildup inside the battery and is not a complete acid replacer. They are just doing it wrong.. Works well when done right.
So the magnesium sulfate and the battery acid play well together in a 30/70 ratio of magnesium sulfate to battery acid?
Job Done, good job !
Just a question (and if I missed something, please forgive): You removed sulfuric acid & water and replaced it with a mixture of de-ionized water and Epsom salts. Is the water/ Epsom salt mixture supposed to morph into an acid/water mixture?
That's the myth. You saw how it worked out
@@Badgertronix what we saw is a show.
This will work but not for long. The shop I worked at we would drain them spray the out with water and refill with new batt acid then put on a slow charger for days and they would last for about 3 more years so the truth of a batt is they should get about 7 - 10 years before recycling the unit with a big manufacturer
@@ronniemiddleton5231 That makes sense. Thanks.
The video seems to miss out the rinsing and adding back battery acid again.. at least I watched 👀 multiple tines and saw no mention!!!
Fun to watch, thanks. Cool gadgets! Another thing you could try if you want is leave the battery for 2 days after you fully reconditioned it for a more accurate result. I find after 2 days it shows its true colors and shows even lower then if you just took it off the charger.
Lots of parts store sell small containers of battery acid how's about doing the reconditioning and then adding active like acid I bought some at one of the local auto part dealers for $7 it was about half a quart leader I noticed that it did make a big difference after the conditioning cycle was done drained out some of the solution that was added then added half fresh battery acid to it tripled Mike Old Camp cranking amps
Hii sirr,...for repair just with water collant and epsom salt..and then charge ?
Ps: now I have no idea how to modify the process but I am happy I can keep bathing my feet in the salts without getting electrified
it is much better for your feet than your car!
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Great effort, what about using what is meant to be used like 30/70 Sulphuric Acid / Distilled Water. In a garage I did part of my Automotive Mechanics lic in, We got the batters in Dry, and the Acid/ Water mixture came in (one of those clear plastic square jugs with a red & white spouts to pore from). Only exception was that the plastic jug was housed in a thick cardboard box, I'm guessing safty reasons. There were the usual safety stickers and the instructions which included the amounts of the content which was 30% / sulfuric Acid
70% / Distilled Water which We bought separately from the same supplier, just in a much bigger jug in a box system, same as the Sulfuric Acid. We had an old juice picture to mix the two in. Thanks for sharing brother, keep up the good work. Andrew T
Over all the years I finally saw the best test ever you use the old large battery chargers they have a booster jump to start a vehicle on it two hundred amp use a momentarily to start a vehicle. Make sure batteries topped off of fluids you turn it on to two hundred amp 15 minutes you watch each cell bubble you could always see the week one because it's not percolating as well you did is 4 * 15 on 1 hour off repeat that 4 times by the fourth time I could not believe it all the sales were percolating beautiful it takes a large charge to get those lead plates to blast that stuff off of them you don't even need to do the Epsom salt procedure just top it off with distilled water supposed to be 30% acid balance of distilled water the gentleman that was doing this told me he hasn't bought a battery in 20 years it revived every type of battery he tried there are new batteries out there Chargers digital ones unfortunately they keep shutting off they can't compete against straight amperage that's why they don't work for doing this procedure I'm doing it on a huge solar batteries the secret is you don't want to get your battery too hot doing it boy did it get those c e l l s percolating not many people know this but the pros you can stick your battery meter on one post is stick the other one right in the hole check each cylinder for the voltage level and it should give you basically a quarter depends on the size of the battery cordless voltage weak cylinder why batteries don't hold a charge mr. Furyk acid is all been stuck to the plates leaving straight water in a battery and you can't get it to process properly so you have to have a certain amount of acid to start with personally after boiling it like that obviously use safety gear safety gear safety gear people but I washed one of these batteries out huge deep cycle I must have filled that thing up and shook the crap out of it 7 * dumped it out and it was still Brown rusted water coming out of it so it can't hurt to clean them out and start fresh what is the best procedure I've seen yet that's the concept of it is getting the batteries to percolate properly a week trickle charge for days and days and days doesn't cut it it never gets it percolating enough issues Common Sense might be 10 minutes if your battery charger, are battery appears to be getting too hard on you just turn it off for 1 hour and repeat that 10 to 15 minutes don't overfill it either is more of a prickly out of it have a safe area around you to work with and if you don't have distilled water rain water works and you could even use regular water you would have to use it for years to create a problem for the battery so if it's all you got put it in there better than no water everybody's method might work but majority of these episodes I've yet to see one completely restore like new and I'm working on my generator right now to get my big charger hooked up to another one myself last comment never go by the reading on a hot freshly charged battery and never stays at high let it cool down for an hour and then recheck your reading it's a false reading when it's hot good luck let me know if that works for you this gentleman swore by it until it works for us it's just rhetoric in a fun video but nobody's ever done it like this guy's done it with the high voltage for short intervals is what did it remember safety safety safety and then when you find this all works then you can always dump your battery out and flush it and clean again I've heard of people putting lemon juice in batteries Reviving of a lemon juice as well as table salt deep cycle batteries, you can train them six to eight times till it starts to affect the battery a regular car battery, you drain it more than three to four times its history I know there is a new battery charger on the market that basically does a proper discharge charge-discharge charge and getting those plates to clean up it's a big company they take it all batteries and revive seven out of ten they bring back to life above the original amperage output you can have high voltage and no amperage is the amperage that counts that's the punch might be great for 12 volt radio would not start a car sorry I'm legally blind I hope this is legible good luck everybody be careful out there PS O'Reilly's now takes Deadshot batteries and they give you a $10 store credit for each one you can bring in five a day max you look around your neighborhood in your yard you might have enough to just get yourself a brand new battery and forget all this crap LOL. And when you buy a new battery in a battery store they're all dated when they arrived on the Shelf like bread and a supermarket that put the old moves forward in the new numbers are in the back so be a stickler about that and get the newest one that has arrived this is what starts killing the batteries in the beginning of their lives sitting for months so ask and get a fresh latest arrival good luck you MacGyver's out there and please you safety gear and Common Sense please if you've never worst with batteries ever and you know nothing about electricity please don't mess with it. Don't forget people whatever problem you may have with your car sink toilet or roof just ask Google how do I do this for my 69 Chevy Ford and there's a video clip out there that shows you how to do things it gives you the parameters at least what to do even if Pros we use it before we do a project if we know nothing of the project
Sean Ogreen good info! I’m aware you’re legally blind, just a tip for you though to help us out who are reading your comments. Use punctuation please! :) :) thanks again for your comments! Gonna find myself an old battery charger now.
Wow, that's a serious sentence you've written there. Some gems though. Thanks for sharing.
My preference for a charger is one of those old transformer type. The modern electronic ones have too much protection. To de sulphate batteries, I look for one of those old garage chargers on 2 wheels, be ideal if it got a 200-250 amp boost feature, or I can use one of those cheap $100 + invertor DC welders Put the welder on 5, 10 minutes to see acid boil, let it sit it the rest of the hour, do it 4,5 times. Test it before you dump the acid. Do it to a battery once a year (4, 5 times) to de sulphate, and some claimed you will never need to buy batteries.
Oh... what an interesting approach. I thought this one is either quite reactive and dangerous or :))people use it to bathe your feet in ... now Im excited to see what you are making of it! And if not... MERRY Christmas to you and yours :)) All the best, Sunshine
Merry Christmas Sunshine! This was quite an experiment but with terrible results. Thanks for watching!
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Appreciate Video clip! Apologies for the intrusion, I am interested in your initial thoughts. Have you thought about - Rozardner Powerful Battery Reality (do a search on google)? It is a good exclusive guide for learning how to recondition an old battery without the normal expense. Ive heard some incredible things about it and my old buddy Taylor after many years got great results with it.
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I added a mix of baking soda and water to flush the cells out twice. Then added a mix of 12 oz epsom salt , one pint white vinegar and a gallon of distilled water.
They were expensive solar 6v batteries 24v and I was quite impressed with the results.
I didn’t really want to replace 1000$ worth of batteries!!
I recon you were almost there. In addition to what you did, run the battery through a few discharge and recharge cycles, measuring the CCA after each cycle. It should come back. Using a dumb charger might help too.
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Main issue is the sulfur on the plates need to discharge and run recovery multiple times to remove that layer. Not sure on the Epson salt stuff though, might try topping off with water and Epsom salt mix on the next one I fix
What do you do with old acid?
IDK about restoring batteries but other videos claimed that they cleaned the inside of the battery with distilled water and baking soda for four hours until it didn’t bubble. Apparently this removes some coating on the cells. Best of luck.
did you try to clean the battery with distilled water and baking soda then flush it with water again, then add new battery acid vice distilled water and epson salt?
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Did you replace the Epson salts concoction with an electrolyte solution before the final charge?
After you clean the plates with the salt did you drain the battery and put the acid and water in it and then charge the battery
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Good technique on filling out the battery about a syringe
Hey mate, just did this method and trying to charge with an old school 6v / 12v charger although it says it's full and then stops charging. Any advise on how to force a charge.
It's a NRMA calcium battery and the charger is performer brand with 3.5ampa
Higher amps in short Burst, rest and repeat. The amps are what causes desulfurization to the lead plates it essentially boils off the sulfide and modern chargers generally don't have high enough amperage to get the effects needed.
cycle the battery put a small load on it all night and the recharge, do this 4-5 times and check the cca each time to see if it is improving, I have heard the expands the cells and allows the electrolyte to access the plates better,
I have seen some guy that flushed the battery 3 times with destilled water. Got all of that black dirt out, before refilling the battery.
I had good results doing 3 x Century 18Ah deep cycle and 10 mixed brand 9 and 4.5Ah sealed batteries. Most of these batteries had a lowish fluid level to start with when I removed the superglued covers and popped off the black rubber caps. None would hold their charge for very long.
I didn't remove all of the acid (as the batteries were lead acid and the acid is required). Made a fairly concentrated solution of Epson Salt. I think it was 1 part Demin water 3 or 4 parts Epson Salts. The concentration would have changed when I added it to the cells. I didn't hydro test the fluid in the cells, I was winging it.
I used a dumb charger, not a smart charger and charged them well. Made sure to look in each cell with a torch and goggles on to see the gassing was happening properly. Only two out of the batch didn't hold a charge. 7 months on and they are all still holding 12.5 to 12.7v charge without me using them.
If you have a completely discharged battery, the positive plate has taken all of the sulfate ions from the acid and left just water. You do not need acid present to start the charging process. It will be created when the charging voltage causes the reaction to go the other way, and the sulfate to be forced back into the water, which creates sulfuric acid.
Flush the cells with 12 Oz's of baking soda to 1 gallon of distilled water. It neutralizes the remaining acid in the battery, and descales the cells.
That is what I did and the results were very good.
I can back u up on this. The plates in my old deep cycle were black not burnt but black and I did this and I'm sure u would think it just came off the shelf
Did he drained that acid on a metal container?
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Others that tried it were using around 200 amps input for approx 15 minutes then let it rest for 15 minutes, then another 200 amps for 15 and so on for 4 cycles. This will burn off the sulfates.
I bought a new fangled pos battery charger that looked like yours from Auto Zone here in the states and it failed to function shortly after purchase.
Hmmmm .. thank you for your video. LOL still didn't help but Ive watched a few good guys trying this to see if my info was correct or not. Your results were the same as mine. It kinda works and kinda doesn't. I was just trying to be cheep and didn't want to just chuck the battery away but the results were the same.... IF you are stuck and IF you have the supplies this method Might get you out of a jam but you still need to buy a new battery... I was just hoping . Thanks again for a no nonsense attempt and video.
Works great if you leave about 70 percent acid in the battery.. The guys that pour all the acid out fail everytime. The epsom salts breaks down the buildup inside the battery and is not a complete acid replacer. They are just doing it wrong.. Works well when done right.
same results I had!
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Have you tried the final fill with electrolyte instead of water?
That wouldn't be testing this myth
I think the failure here is tinkering with that toy to attempt to get the job done. Epsom salt seems to be effective after electrolysis has occurred. With low amp charging it may take a solid month on it. I would use the 200 amp cycles at 10-15 min with a hour in between several times. After last cycle shake battery then pour out while fairly warm. Want to remove the suspended loosened crud and any lead sediment to prevent current straying across plates at bottom of case. Flush out with distilled water at least twice or triple rinse.
Get battery sulfuric acid from auto parts store. Don't dilute as it has correct gravity as is. Charge up.
sir can i ask how many liters of distrilled water that takes that battery? aprox
Can you filter the old acid and top off with epson salt solution?
You must cycle the battery up and down 5 times before it will regain most of it's capacity.
Put a 10-20 amp load on it and drain the battery, then charge it again.
Do this 5 times.
I would have been tempted to tip the old acid on some garden weeds or chemically trim some of my path edges:-)
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Not a good idea buddy. The acid would contain a lot of lead, and lead is something you don't want in your garden soil.
can you use distilled? also how many amps did you charge it
Distilled is better. He should have put water and baking soda in the batteries to clean all the crap off the plates. Then add the water and epsom salt in and do a 2 amp charge for 24-36 hours
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Ok you and I are on same page I'm a heavy equipment mechanic!! If I'm wrong but that process is just to clean plates and dump redo with acid and water mix!! Haven't done tests!! Your just cleaning electrolysis with this process!!
Empty the battery, save the acid and flush it with distilled water and baking soda.
Replace the old acid using a cotton ball in the funnel to filter it. Charge it with at least 200 amps (engine start) for 15 mins then wait an hour. Repeat 3 times. Good to go.
Is it the impurities in the acid that make it stop holding a charge?
My acids taking a long time to kick in.
@@zoharflax6363 No, it's the sulfation of the plates. Baking soda will remove much of it.
@@david_1956 My battery is not holding a very good charge, the colder it is outside the less of a charge the battery has to start my car. I have watched tons of videos and from what i gather is, dump out all old acid, pour in distilled water and baking soda in the battery and keep flushing until the water is clear and then replace with brand new acid? Brand new acid is cheap so wouldn't it be better to just use new acid instead of the old stuff? Let charge for 24 hours and should be good?
@@ericc8895 When reconditioning, you don't use a regular charger. You must use the high amp routine I described to
bring the acid to a boil. Using new acid to do this could be destructive to the plates.
@@david_1956 i have a 200 amp charger, that is not an issue. But what you are saying is dump the old acid back in after the battery has been flushed and bring it to a boil? Do this 3 times? And once done keep the old acid in it?
Has the battery cca gone up since you did test
No
@@Badgertronix you skipped a step. First you need to make a solution of baking soda and regular water. Dump your acid fill with the baking soda water work the battery around and de sulfate it. Do this several times until you get a clearer solution coming out. This washes the plates. Then you use distilled water and your Epsom salts. If you want better results a mixture of aluminum sulfate and water is better
is it good to do that for winter because i live in Canada at -30C
The battery tester show different healt, lower when voltages is above 13v.
If you test again after 24 hours it usually shows 5-10% more.
I have a old battery charger and I did the same thing to my lawnmower battery two weeks ago and used a 2 amp charge for 48 hours and it has been starting it when I have tried
What brand of battery charger and model
I am Dr B N Biswal. I have tried to use epsom salt to rejuvenate my inverter battery, a huge one . It took 16 liters of distilled water and 3 pockets of epsom salt. When I filled the liquid in 3 phases, from 0 it came to 08 before changing. Whining one hour of changing, it came to 11. Now it is 12+. To me it is like a miracle. Epsom salt your presentation are fantastic. May Gof bless you.
Professional battery chargers had advised me to throwaway my inverter battery and purchase a new one. My trying your method made my battery a new one.
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I saw someone drain the battery. Add some distilled water that has been boiled with a box of baking soda.
Add the mixture into the cells and put it on the charger for 15 minutes then sit for 1 hour and then another charge for 15 minutes then let it sit for one hour..
drain the battery again. Rinse all the cells with a garden hose.
Then you add the boiled down mixture of distilled water & bag of epson salt.
Then stick it on a charger for two days.
i think you are supposed to drain the Epsom salt after the charge, then replace Sulfuric acid like the same you drained out initially.
That's not the myth I was testing so no
Big smell coming out of battery is it possible after refilling epsom salt solution
Good video, however some minor nits to pick, of course.
1. Usually you dump the electrolyte and then flush with water/baking soda to neutralize the acid.
2. Check your Desulfation Pulse and confirm it is not some BS microsecond pulsing advertising jazz. For pulsing, you want something no faster than millisecond pulsing at most, as going faster than that ends up with voltage and current flows out of phase and being wasted in the wiring as heat. Millisecond or slower pulsing leads to voltage/current being mostly in-phase with most of the power actually making it inside the battery/cells.
3. At this stage, you should repeat the process a couple more times. Pennies in electricity and a lot of times more heavily sulfated batteries take several rounds.
If after 2-3 rounds its not appreciably improved, then you could try the welder trick. However that in and of itself is usually not good for the battery, but a few short zaps might help get over a hump.
You never put the battery acid back in the battery after you were done using the salts to descale the lead plates? How was it to work with no acid in it?
You missed the point of making sulphuric acid from magnesium sulphate as per the Internet myth. Clearly it doesn't work
Badgertronix ahh...well I did see that part but tuned it out ha. I always dumped the acid and hose the battery out. Fill with water and funnel a handful of Epson salt and cook that thing on 15v with the caps off for a few days. Dump rinse again then add new acid or the old stuff if it doesn’t look to full of lead crystals. Have you tried that method?
Nah, I was just trying this method for a video.
If it's a new battery that sat too long and sulfated, these tricks MIGHT work. If the battery is well used, and has reached the end of its cycle life, there's no saving them. there is simply no active material left on the plates, and sometimes the blate grids are broken. You may as well try, what have you got to lose? Either way, the battery still has the same core value, when you replace it.
You have to clean the lead cells first with baking soda and distilled water. This has worked best for me. Getting another 1 1/2 yrs out my batteries.
why you do chemical mixing in a metal contener ? not saying it will fix the result but its a good start ?
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I rebuilt two of my batteries two years ago one for my truck and one for my tractor the one in the truck I drained the battery acid out of it and refill it with warm baking soda water flushed it out three times and then put in Epsom salt water charging slow for 3 days and they've been going strong for two years
Try emptying out the acid and filling with a mixture or disstilei water and baking soda, shake it up real good and let it eat away the corrosion inside. Drain into container now do the Epson salt and distilled water fill each cell. And shake it up good. Now put it on a charge
My guess is that after hitting the battery with current to desulfate the plates, you would need to wash out the MgSO4 and replace the acid and then put a final charge on the battery. Some batteries have felt spacers to keep the plates apart. This could never work on one of those cuz you would never be able to wash the felt clean enough.
They desulfate during the charge process. Need to discharge to 11 volts exactly with about a 20 amp load. Then recharge. Repeat a total of 6 times. Each time cranking amps with rise more. Dump & redo entire process for best results if cranking amps didn't rise enough. The epson salt cleans the plates everytime it's discharged & charged but the solution gets dirty again from the cleaning so dumping & refilling is good anyway after this process. If the battery has 12.5 volts after sitting for 24 hours without a charger you're probably good.
TY. I would never put that old acid into anything but glass vessel. I would also distill it to recover pure acid. Hassle, but worth the dime.
I have used hydrochloric acid replacement and it blasts the plates and de sulphers them muratic acid works also. The output will be more.. First flush with baking then the acid.. It will put out higher voltage.
After using the battery with the muratic acid for a few days empty again and rinse debris out and refill with Sulphuric again.. The purpose of the muratic acid was just to clean and open up the plates