STIGA CYBERSHAPE: How To Use It (The Right Way) 😉 - ANTISPIN edition
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First training test with antispin and Stiga Cybershape!!
The setup:
- Stiga Cybershape Carbon
- Butterfly Tenergy 05
- Spinlab Vortex 2 (red sponge 1.7mm)
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Ma quanto sono interessanti i tuoi video!! Grande Aschi!
it looks so fun! its like automatic drop shot
Buongiorno Andrea, ti toglierai belle soddisfazioni. Oggi ti ho visto in grande confidenza col nuovo Stiga e questa Vortex funziona bene. Molto bravo il tuo partner
Grazie Pablo! Speriamo, purtroppo ogni racchetta nuova necessita molte ore di allenamento e non è detto che sia meglio della precedente. Però è bello avere stimoli nuovi ogni tanto. ;)
Un caro saluto e ne approfitto per farti in ritardo gli auguri di buon anno.
Your fellow player/training partner is doing _not bad at all._ :)
Fair impression, thanks.
Yes, he is an amazing training partner! :)
Very nice! Low trajectory on the blocks but not much back spin (did you try this anti on your regular blade?). How did you manage no spin balls?
BTW your opponent has a tremendous wrist, great feeling!
Hi Joachim, happy to hear from you again!
As you noticed spinreversal is not the best (my carbonado setup has way better reversal) but the control and the ability to make blocks close to the net is interesting!!
I will soon try an harder sponge 😉
Fast no spin balls are difficult to control with a blade with a such low throw.
At the beginning i did a lot of mistakes. Then I started to have a bit of regularity holding the racket perpendicular to the table with 0 wrist motion and elbow down. (Like the block at 3:58, is a different block movement i'm experimenting).
Need more training hours! 😁 bye
I played long time,also croatian 1st league, then i ended up in wheelchair and played long time with anti spin..you have to take the ball straight after it jumps up from table..but a good offensive player kicks your ass easy if you use it..its a good thing for people with disabilty, wheelchair players..but honestly every 2nd league pro kicks your ass if you use it..attack attack...
Thanks for the tip sir. Stay safe.
@@gyukang2 you welcome 🙏
I would love to see a tutorial how to use the anti-spin rubber. ive just tried anti-spin but i dont find any good tutorial how to use it the right way. the basic hits and how to block high spin balls, fast balls and so on.
Hi my friend! I will do for sure an antispin tutorial in the near future. ;)
@@AndreaAschi Are you still going to make it?
Absolutely!
I would like to make a well-done tutorial and that would take me a long time to record and edit. I just have to find the right time to do it.
@@AndreaAschi Thank you, I will be patiently waiting, until then I will just continue watching your videos and trying to copy what you are doing since there is truly no proper anti-spin rubber tutorial out there. Much love from Bosnia!
I thank you for the support my friend! 🥰
If there is anything in particular that you would like me to cover in the tutorial let me know. I try to gather as many ideas as possible.
1;22 nice!
I don't play table tennis so don't know what I was suppose to be looking for but I did notice that the guy in the red shirt had a noisier bat. was that anything to do with the video?
Come stai Andrea, ti saluto dall'Argentina, ci piace molto come gestisci l'anti e come ti profili per il top, che opinione daresti allo Stiga Cyber, come ti senti l'anti al contrario? Stai usando l'ABS del dottor Neubauer giusto? e di guida? un saluto
Ciao Victor!
Lo Stiga è un telaio veloce ed ha una parabola molto bassa quindi è ottimo per tirare forte con il diritto. Queste caratteristiche sono utili anche per il gioco di antispin anche se il controllo non è dei migliori. Non è adatto per principianti giocatori di anti.
E' interessante il feeling che il telaio da vista la superficie maggiore in punta.
Su questo telaio sto provando la nuova Spinlab Vortex 2 (la ABS la uso sulla mia racchetta principale) insieme a una Tenergy 05.
so you left the Neubauer? Could tell me why ? I find the ABS2 interesting but it would ask me a lot of work to replace the long pimple OX and it is also heavier.
I chose vortex because I wanted to try a different antispin on the new blade...but my official setup remains the one with ABS.
The choice between anti and OX LP depends on the style you would like to have...anti it's more a passive rubber. With LP you have better attacking possibilities (in my opinion)
@@AndreaAschi Thanks, looking at your videos, I think we have almost the same style of game. I return with the backhand, block or defend depending on the speed of the opponent and I attack with the backhand on pushed balls as with the LP you can't do a lot of other things against this. But Lp are not annoying as before and are less regular too.
Can you hit the top spin with anti spin rubbers??
I know anti spin rubbers are good for blocking
But can you hit top spin with anti spin
It is possible to perform a movement similar to a topspin. With anti, however, not having a surface with friction, you cannot generate spin.
I am a chopper. I use Victas Koji offensive with P1 (0.5mm). Do you think cybershape is too stiff to chop with?
Hi Benny!
I tried the stiga cybershape with a TSP curl p-h (1.5mm) doing defense away from the table. Initially I had a little difficulty, then by adjusting the movement I was able to chop with decent regularity and a lot of backspin.
The frame itself is pretty stiff so it's not ideal for that kind of playstyle but if you have a good sensibility you can definitely try it for a modern defense style. 😉
Show a tutorial on how to take a service ball that has spin and is empty
Andrea scusa l'ignoranza chi è il giocatore col quale ti alleni in questo video? Grazie
Ciao Ciro!
É il grande Jorge Schmitz (società TT Moncalieri) 😉
Complimenti Andrea! Hai fatto moltissime views, io voglio puntare all' Italia per promuovere i TT anche da noi, è una scelta, cmq la nostra comunity è di nicchia ma molto appassionata! 😉 Continua così
Grazie!!
Vi auguro il meglio per la nobile causa di promozione del nostro bellissimo sport in Italia, non mollate!
@@AndreaAschi grazie mille! ps sono luciodrum87 😉
Karet Anti merek Apa yah
Ciao Andrea, io con la mia Super Anti apro bene su palle tagliate restituendo palle tese e morte che l'avversario, se le prende, manda quasi sempre in rete.
Quello che non ho capito è come aprire le palle lisce (o leggermente superiori) invece: quali sono il punto d'impatto ed il movimento conveniente per questo colpo difficile ma utile
a variare il gioco per passare dalla difesa all'attacco. Mi dai un'opinione o un suggerimento? Grazie
Buonasera Mario! Purtroppo antispin con un minimo di grip come la Super Anti non le ho mai provate a lungo quindi non ne conosco la tecnica.
Io tra l'altro uso l'anti senza attrito molto passivamente, se mi arriva una palla liscia o legg. superiore faccio sempre un movimento di polso (in stile muretto con puntino lungo) per buttarla semplicemente di la. Non la aggredisco mai perchè non sono in grado di controllarla con continuità.
Andrea? Welchen Belag spielst du . Anti-top und in welcher Stärke. Liebe Grüße aus Deutschland
Hi Tommy! :)
in this video i played with:
- Stiga Cybershape
- Tenergy 05
- Spinlab Vortex 2 (red sponge 1.7mm)
@@AndreaAschi danke, ich werde diesen Belag auch bald testen:)
@@AndreaAschi aber in 1,7 mm ich kann nicht finden. Woher kaufst du?
@@tommyfischer4204 Contact Daniele at --> info@ttsaturn.com
Vortex 2 and red 1.7mm sponge are not on his website but they are available. Ask him! ;)
I like the way you mess up with your opponent with anti spin rubber on back hand. What is the thickness of your anti spin rubber and what's your forehand rubber ?
Hi! Thank you 😊
Anti has a red sponge 1.7mm thick.
Forehand rubber is a Tenergy 05 2.1mm 😉
Vortex 2 is soft or hard ?
Hard topsheet/soft sponge! 😉
@@AndreaAschi What colour Sponges? and what's the difference of 1.7mm & 2.3mm if I choose?
Bel lavoro, volevo chiederti dove hai preso la vortex 2 e con quale spugna l'hai abbinata, grazie tante e buon anno
Ciao Paolo!
La Vortex 2 l'ho presa da Saturno (TTSaturn.com). Forse non l'ha ancora messa sul sito ma se lo contatti di persona te la manda. É disponibile e già approvata dalla ITTF.
Spugna ho preso quella rossa da 1.7mm.
Per qualsiasi dubbio chiedimi 😉
Buon anno anche a te!!
@@AndreaAschi in cosa differisce quella con spugna 2.3 (oltre ad essere più lenta della 1,7, credo)? E come la vedi su un telaio molto veloce?
I was waiting for this video :)
The vortex 2 locks very nice on it
How was it with the red sponge in 1.7mm?
And how was the anti on the cybershape in general?
It looks very slow and the ball drops close to the net
I hope the video did not disappoint your expectations! 😉
The red sponge in this case is good because cybershape is fast and with a low throw, so you need a very dampening sponge to be able to do slow blocks close to the net.
The downside is spinreversal...weaker than my original setup (ABS/pink sponge).
I think anti on this blade is definetly playable, but for beginners there are safer and cheaper blades to use with anti.
I was interested in trying cybershape also for the forehand side. (Anti is not the only reason why i win matches😉)
I need more training for fully undestand if this combo is better than my Carbonado one. 👍
I usually see your videos and this Cybershape racket catches my attention (I would buy it if it weren't for the high price).
Why don't you use it?
Thanks for your videos.
Hi my friend, thanks for your support! :)
I love the Stiga Cybershape, it's a fantastic offensive blade.
The only thing holding me back from using it is that it is not the best blade for anti. 😉
@@AndreaAschi Thank you very much for answering.
Why is it not adequate, for the weight or for its shape?
Do you think Stiga will take out a suitable Cybershape model for anti?
Thank you.
WOW! just wow. I want this blade haha is Vortex 2 really slow sponge? The blocks looked super good with the returns
Hi Nick!!
The speed depends on the sponge. The red one is very slow!! (even if is thin) Super useful for short blocks as in the video.
I will try vortex 2 topsheet with a faster/harder sponge because i'm looking for better spinreversal.
The rubber does the work for you, no fun at all!
Ok
I have never seen an antispin player of such quality! What division are you in? Why is it that there aren’t top players using anti? Your opponent’s forehand topspin looks very cool. Subscribed and recommended.
Thank you Marton for your kind words!! :)
I'm playing in the fifth Italian division this year.
Antispin at top level is very rare because professional players knows how to play against it.
Waiting for this blade to become available in North America (Stiga says soon). I'm a long pips chop blocker and this thing might work well, though it might be too fast. Would also like to see it with Dr Neubauer ABS 2.5, as that is the antispin rubber used by a few high-level female defenders in Europe.
Which LP do you use? OX or not?
@@ivoc.1817 I use long pips OX, Neubauer Number 1 (that's old and a little less friction) also Akadi that is also old.
what name rubber anti spin?
Spinlab Vortex2! 😉
I have Butterfly super anti on yasaka extra offensive 7 power, is it good or should i replase the blade???
It depends...the blade is good but with BTY Super Anti you can't replicate what you saw in my video.
You need an anti with frictionless surface. BTY Super Anti is grippy. 😉
Thnx alot ❤️
Amazing 👍👍👍i'm from Indonesia...new comer table tennis 🙏
Thank you Rafael!! :)
Indonesian community is the best 😎
Where can I buy Spinlab Vortex 2? Because on the official website I don't see it
Hi Nick! Contact Daniele at info@spinlabitalia.com
Vortex 2 in not on the website but it is available! ask him 😉
@@AndreaAschi thanks!
Excellent spin mate. What is the brand and name of your Anti rubber? I’d like to try this style also. Thanks
Hi!
The brand is Spinlab (Italia).
Is a Vortex 2 with 1.7mm red sponge 😉
Hi, Do you clean your anti rubber normally? If you do, which cleaner do you use?
Hi!
I use a Tibhar antistatic spray that is VOC free.
Any spray is fine, as long as they have these 2 characteristics. ;)
@@AndreaAschi what do you think about revolution 3 cleaner?
@@borisgraell i'm sorry. I have never tried it!
@@borisgraell it's a very good cleaner too. I use it for tensors an Chinese rubbers and it makes them play and look like new.
Ciao Andrea, dove hai preso la Cybershape?
Ciao Mario.
L'ho preso sul sito della Stiga. Per ora lo puoi comprare solo tramite loro.
Can you write what are the tires?
- Butterfly Tenergy 05
- Spinlab Vortex 2 (red sponge 1.7mm)
Which anti spin rubber is this?
Spinlab Vortex 2 (red sponge 1.7mm)
what brand of rubber is that?
Spinlab 😉
Oh man, anti-spin? You turned the blade to the dark side! All jokes aside, I respect all playing styles, despite hate playing against anti-spin, long pimples and short pimples. Very interesting to see how anti-spin worked on the new Cyber blade.
My friend...CyberAnti is the future!! 😁😜
@@AndreaAschi 🤣
@@AndreaAschi you turn this game into shit very well. Good luck in making antitennis with antitennis rubber. I tried long pips once and had no problem with beating my usualy tough oponents, but this playing style doesn't satisfy me even if I win.
@@aldaron555 many backward and primitive pseudo-athletes would like to impose their will and style on everyone.
In schools, they teach us that the wise gives way to the stupid - and that's why fools rule.
Let us not allow the same in sports.
Development is about broadening your horizons, not closing yourself in a cage for idiots.
It is not worth listening to fools, it is not worth imitating them, and under no circumstances should they be allowed to introduce unjustified restrictions.
And there is no point in explaining to fools that they are fools - they will never understand that.
@@DycioOL nie jestem pewien co miałeś na myśli. Nie chciałem nikogo obrazić, po prostu wyraziłem swoją opinię jako człowieka ograniczonego, grającego gumami gładkimi, odnośnie wynalazków jakim jest powyższa guma. Nie mam problemu że ludzie takimi grają, to czyni ten sport bardziej różnorodnym. Zawodnicy po zmianie płci w sportach kobiecych, szczególnie w sportach walki też czynią rywalizację bardziej różnorodną, oczywiście też nie łamiąc przepisów. Jak komuś to odpowiada i przynosi mu to radość oraz satysfakcję, to proszę bardzo. Ja jednak wolę szukać radości z gry i satysfakcji poprawiając moje umiejętności, niż uciekać się do sprzętu, który niszczy wszystko co w tym sporcie najfajniejsze, czyli szybkość, rotacja i dynamika. Co innego jak ktoś jest młody i sprawny, a co innego jak wiek i słabe warunki fizyczne usprawiedliwiają taki wybór.
Class!!! ✌️✌️👍👍👏
😊😊
what does anti spin mean ?
Antispin is a category of rubbers that have little to no friction on the surface. They are insensitive to incoming spin.
come si chiama la gomma antispin?
Ciao Marco! Il tuo nome mi ricorda un ragazzo con cui ho condiviso uno stage nel 2010 a Castel Goffredo. Sei tu? ;)
L'antispin é una Spinlab Vortex2, la vende Saturno (negozio TTSaturn).
Rule no. 1: Dont chop with Anti
vortex 2 vs vortex 1 ?
I tried vortex 1 once with a hard sponge so i'm not able to make you a good comparison.
Vortex 2 topsheet is lighter and a little bit softer.
it seemed to me that it has less spinreversal but better control, but maybe changing sponge changes everything. I need more time to understand fully this rubber! 😉
madre mia alexby
nei tuoi video compare sempre SPERA, una volta arbitra, un altra gioca nel tavolo vicino.fa parte anche lui del progetto?(non ha l antitop ma con il suo modo di giocare è come se l avesse)
Ahah hai ragione! Incrocio spesso Spera lungo la strada. Pura casualità. 😉
Sei il Bosio di Verzuolo? Ho avuto il piacere di incrociarti un paio di volte ai tornei.
Stiga has a weird logic in blades. If its not smaller than usual head size blades its that.
They are good at selling blades!
It's their only concern. 😉
@@AndreaAschi yup that is why most including me stopped using stiga and used Butterfy or Double Happiness as its headsize is normal or semi larger.
Why exactly is this the „right way“?
Because no one use cybershape in this way. The title is ironic.
it is an attempt to convert people to antispin world. 😉
@@AndreaAschi Cybershape is just a Blade nothing special. Like Carbonado or whatever. By the title I thought you compare different angles of the blocks and how to hold the racket to get most effective blocks. Like head down or held upwards. Or a comparison why especially this shape is good or bad for anti.
What was your anti spin rubber on this video?
Spinlab Vortex2 with red 1.7mm sponge. 😉
Bruit et musique de fond à supprimer.
What is the interest of such a game ? Do they cover their shortcomings with overlays ? (spikes, antispins) Go to a coach and learn how to play, shame on you.
I assume from your comment that you have not seen any of my other videos. My backhand and forehand are at the same level. Shame on you 😂😜
But all these new rubbers need new practices and skills to control the ball and the Game 🤣😂🤣😂
😂😂 antispin need a lot of training but are super funny! 😁
Why are you fulming these guys? To see how can you hit the net?
Hi Alex. Yes because i'm backspin antispin pervert. I love to see people go to the net. 🙈
I like your player.saya ikuti gayamu hee
💪🙂
I think Truls Möregård can answer that question better
For sure! I'm not a vice world champion 😆
@@AndreaAschi sorry i was not angry😅
Me neither! 😜
What kind of sponge? i mean the brand....it looks so interesting
You can find sponge and topsheet at spinlabitalia. com 😉
Have you tried to combine the dampening sponge with the long pips rubber?
No i don't! But i have both dampening sponges and long pimples in my house...i can try! ;)
Thanks andrea, looking forward to see the sponge on the LP😀