That is a rotten thing to a coach owner. Overpriced transmission pull-out, and did not take the time to properly install the rebuilt hydraulic pump which turns the radiator fan. Incompetence plus dishonest work equals disaster.
And the hydraulic pump was not easy for Bus Grease |Monkey to rotate by hand so the so called rebuilt hydraulic pump by another garage seems to have not been rebuilt correctly because if it had been serviced correctly it would be easy to rotate by hand.
You are a better man than me.When i give a price and the customer goes with the other guy and they screw it up.I tell them I have no interest in helping them
I guess it would be helpful if when your clients get into situations like this that they snap a photo of their gauge cluster at the first sign of any issues and or right before shutting the engine down safely. It's a sad situation in this video but you are teaching us a lot so thank you.
Im shocked that these motor homes don't come with mandatory kysor low oil and high temperature shut down controls on their engines, especially when a lot of these folks don't have a lot of experience paying real close attention to their gauges and listening for the different sounds that these big machines can make. I really feel for the owner and especially you guys after all that quality time and work you put in on the bus.
@@VonHitch Not to mention in RV guise, there's gonna be a LOT of insulation to keep that noise outside the coach. It's unfortunate that one bad decision by the owner resulted in another, that resulted in another, and another to this end.
If I'm not mistaken, DDEC engines (which this one isnt, I'm pretty sure) have a shutdown system that gives the driver a thirty second audible/visual warning. They also have an override button that gives you thirty more seconds in case you're in a bad spot to have to pull over. I'm sure its saved some engines.
Back in the day Hound drivers were trained to scan gauges roughly every minute as a matter of routine. The later coaches I drove had buzzers when the coach was approaching overheat. It was a routine habit, didn't even have to think about it.
Yep. 30 year retired A&P mech-ALWAYS scanning the gauges. Now instructing folks to get their CDL-have also held a CDL since 1994 & the instrument scan is CRITICAL.
I like how no matter how much money you could make you still tell customers it's not worth the expense if this customer would have listened and only had you work on it it'd still be running
When I find a good mechanic,trustworthy,good workmanship,etcetera,I stick with him for many years.Do not think "I might try another mechanic " as you could end up regretting it.
@@atman5230 Especially when so many mechanics are lazy today. You can show them several grand in cash money, right there in front of their nose, and they will STILL tell you to kick rocks. They just do not want to work. I had to learn to do the work myself, and it sucked as I was literally learning as I was doing it, and I got it done, sloppily, and with breaking a lot of new parts on accident as I did not have the right technique, but it's fixed.
I'm surprised none of these busses have any kind of alarm for high temperature, low pressure, etc. With so much money invested, and all the mechanical systems way out back behind you, it seems like something that should be standard equipment.
Wanderlodges have an alarmstat that gives a dash warning light and buzzer for high temp, low oil pressure, low antifreeze. As BGM says, with all the electrical problems on this coach, this feature must not have been working.
My car has no temperature gauge but there is a warning light. One time it did get hot due to a traffic jam and the light came on. I got about 20 seconds between the light and the steam pouring out!
I had something very similar to my RV. Driving into Las Vegas when all of a sudden I lost the power steering. Luckily there was an off ramp. Let me say this driving without power steering was a bear. It took every ounce of force to turn the steering wheel. As I entered the off ramp I noticed the engine temp climbing. I got on to the shoulder of the road and turned off the engine. What I found all the Hydraulic fluid was gone. The towed car was covered with hydraulic oil. The cause was a hydraulic hose was so tight against the engine that it wore a hole into the hose that went to the radiator cooling fan. I called for road side assistance. The service tech replaced the hose. Replaced the hydraulic fluid and luckily I did not damage the engine. The RV is 2003.
Scott, V style Detroits have main saddle repairs available. I have installed hundreds of them over the years, even in blocks with minor cracking in the main saddles. You just have to make sure your machine shop has performed this operation before.
@@jrt2924must be a Wanderlodge thing. Driven all americans, and though not great by truck design, they were sure as sin better than this powerstation control centre panel.
It's still on the burden of the driver. Scanning my eyes across the gauges has always been second nature to me. This extends to alot more than just buses and trucks with big engines and tons of gauges. I'd go as far as saying that 80% of MAJOR failures that require full rebuilds start as a minor failure. THEN, either the driver never looks at gauges, or if they did look at the gauges, they keep going anyways to avoid being stranded or needing a tow. In this situation, its even more sad. That is literally a house its not like being stranded with nothing. Pull it over and shut it down at the first sign of a problem, and wait for a tow.
@@Mikeywil0003 fully agree that scanning the gauges is a good habit, however simple warning lights or buzzers can save a LOT of money. I drove at this company once, with old Kenworths. One weekend someone used my truck to do something, and they left the power divider engaged on the front differential. The air switch is semi hidden on the dash, and the next day, I did not see it was engage and drove out on a trip on the sealed roads and the power divider etc did not like that at all. The temp gauges for the diffs did not work either, but when I pulled up an hour later, I could smell the heat coming from the front diff when I kicked the tires as per normal routine. The company installed a buzzer on the power divider after that near disaster.
I have owned a small fleet of coaches here in the uk,doing coach tours to Spain and France where it gets hot ! I'm always checking guages ,warning lights !
That was the same problem I had when I went to you a year ago, cooling fan lost draw and engine slowly heated. Unfortunately for him, it went to far. I sure feel his pain, that makes me sick.
Wow. Just rebuilt, too. Looks like the owner will retire from the RV lifestyle unless pockets are much deeper than they appear. He'll be in $25k (or more) for another engine, maybe needs a transmission - another $25k or more - plus what was already spent. Time to take their personal stuff out of the bus and title it to salvage. Chances of recovering the loss likely caused by incompetent work at "the other shop" is zero.
I smell a lawsuit. And to be a certified garage, you need a massive liability policy to cover mechanic’s cockups like this. If he has a guy who can get this anywhere near a courthouse, they’ll pay.
@@jaysmith1408 I'd like to be hopeful that the owner can receive full compensation but if Crayola had one in the box labeled "Cynical", that's what we'd color me. I suspect the best they might get is the value of the incorrectly done work. And I hope they can collect, because a judgment ain't the same as money in the bank.
Ahhh failure analysis...the nightmare is always exposed in due time, by qualified people. It is so sad to see the lack of pride and the disasters this causes. That engine should have lasted decades 😟
The owner wasted $15,000. on fixing the oil leak and the shop that repaired it didn't even stop the leak ! The electrics of this bus are Mickey Mouse and need putting in order.The owner should have had more faith and trust in Bus Grease Monkey as BGM is very good at what he does and has excellent workmanship and good morals.
From what it sounds it was sitting quite awhile and time and mouses had went to work on the engine bay and dashboard. It probably had several miles of chewed wires and just corroded connections.
Wow. Really unfortunate. Dashboard layout is terrible obviously what with all the buttons and switches un-ergonomically scattered about. A soundboard technician would agree.
Absolutely horrendous design. The All Americans i’ve driven were much better than this, and the new generation are stellar. Glad to see Blue Bird came to their senses. Can’t imagine the logic of putting all your gauges right on the panel, as opposed to off to the side, and cover half of them up with the wheel. Must there be a switch to turn on the coffee maker, warm the bed, and flush the loo, all placed directly on the main gauge panel?
So sad to spend so much money and time to make it the best he could- and it failed in this way - it is entirely possible that he was not even seeing the most important gauges. There are a lot of them and it is really important to monitor all of them while going dow the road as they are the first indication of a failure. The next one is when you notice drivability issues and the final notice is when you clunk the motor. Unrebuildable is so sad.
There are so many types of welding - I'm not quite sure how to classify this. Leaving out a gasket on that pump was unforgiveable, re-using them is bad enough.
It's friction welding. There is a very similar process called friction stir welding where you spin the end of a stud against a plate to spot weld the stud on.
I'm gonna hang in there with you been with you from the start. Just keep giving us content good content Scania stuff is awesome! FCR stuff is great too
Ive seen a few overheared engines including a near new Mazda where the owner melted parts of the head!! . As for responsibilty for the cost of repairs,it was the last place that touched it 😢. I got sued ( unsuccessfully) whrn an owner claimed his engine failure was my fault . After i rebuilt the engine,the owner drove it 3000 miles without issue . Tgen a noise appeared and the owner got s freind of his to strip the engine. They did that,found no fault ( blown torque convertor!) and put tge engine back in the car . It suffered a catastrophic failure. The remains of the engine as oresented in court showed it gad pistons backbto front, stretched rod volts,stripped crankpulley threads etc etc . All I could say was" thats not my work" 😅
Scott, you really need to find some electronics guy who can make up a simple easy to install oil pressure/water temperature set of idiot lights that can be added to all the Detroit that runs separate from the 'factory' stuff. They should both come if the pressure temp is higher than expected or lower than expected and if the sensor is not sending at all. It would be best to have them hookup somewhere other than the factory locations. For racing go karts, we had a water temp thermocouple a small tube, cut the bottom radiator hose remove an inch of it and put the tube in. Oil is probably harder to find a different location for, perhaps you can just use a T at the factory location. Make it so it has logic and then sends signal over a phone cord (easy to buy, run, make) to a box in the front that just displays. I think it might cost a few hundred to make them, and a few to install them, but having some out of band gauges would be a real life saver. Heck for all I know something like this exists already.
Sometimes with an older unit like this the best course of action would have been to disassemble the entire drivetrain, cooling system etc and go through and rebuild/replace everything right off the bat. A lot of this is age related issues. Maybe it seems cost prohibitive initially but look where he is now.
If you rebuilt the engine and did not change out the radiator, clutch fan and hub assembly, all radiator hose and t-stat the engine failure is on mechanic shop.
I have watched a lot of your videos over the course of time...this one truly is one of the most painful to watch knowing how much wrenching has been done on it this year. The gauge layout is a horrible design...the oil and water temp gauges should be up high and plain as day to see without anything in the way. When you said it was turning slowly when it shut down i was thinking it might be okay. After dropping that pan and seeing how clean and dry everything was i was like...that's a boat anchor...totally devastating. As you describe whats been done and so forth it sounds like the individual( i wouldn't call them a tech) who nicely cleaned off and then reassembled that pump without a gasket is the one to pin the blame on mostly if such is to be done. I am sitting here just like what the....ya know. Totally preventable but it would appear to me that this mess is gonna get a lot stickier with that other shop that worked on that pump. I have every confidence though that you guys will get it sorted out and i am sooooo rooting for the owner to emerge victorious.
What a great attitude for repairing something that someone else tore up after you just worked on it. I replaced an engine in a van for the mother of my kids and when I finished it, I told her not to drive it far because I only had water in the coolant system and no antifreeze or no coolant. When I got home the next day from work, the car was gone. She eventually pulled up and the engine was ticking. I really let her have it. She took the car too far and I hit the roof. I really chewed her out for that.
So, you didn't do the job properly, and you chewed her out? Especially since an engine ticking has nothing to do with running 100% water... we can guess why she is just the "mother of [your] kids".
I'm shocked that Blue Bird considered it OK to hide the most important gauge (for 2-strokes) behind the steering wheel. What were they thinking? I moved my bus's coolant temperature gauge from the left of the gauge panel to dead center, specifically so I could easily see it all the time without any parallax errors. I also replaced the original Teleflex quarter-sweep gauges with Speedhut and AEM full-sweep gauges, so now there's no guessing exactly what's happening: it's very easy to see the exact temperatures/pressure/voltage/etc. DDEC will shut down the engine if coolant is too low level or too high temperature, and if oil pressure is too low, but I would still like to also have sensors for low oil level and low hyd/PS fluid level: are there aftermarket sensors for this? I can also read my hyd/PS fluid temp on my transmission temp gauge (and my oil temp on the coolant temp gauge), but only if I press a button next to the gauge. After having had my engine completely rebuilt last year, I can feel for the owner. I would hate to see his Wanderlodge scrapped because of this. Is there space to fit a newer inline-6 engine or a Series 50? His axle ratio would then also need to be higher. Nothing's easy.
Well, that is extremely unfortunate. I am pretty far removed from the ol' 92-series use, but how plentiful are decent used take-out 8v's or even 6v's ? I can remember one of our drivers melting down a 6v92. Our boss found a used one about 200 miles away, but that guy did a quick sniff-check on it, and he said it didn't pass his inspection so he wasn't going to ship something questionable to us. That ended up being the demise of that cabover Astro at that point. They left it out back of the local shop about a full year, by then all the tires were spongy, and everyone just gave up on the old girl. Not the biggest loss ever, but it was one machine that was a good runner for within about 90 miles. Not my decision to give up on it, but I guess the boss felt it was time to move on and let her go.
Priceless installment and you are so right on! The poor owner of my 85 Wanderlodge 6V92 paid $20,000 for an engine rebuild after what they called "coolant silicon drop out." Please note, the calibration of those temperature gauges can be way off. Mine runs and drives perfectly but I don't trust those 40 year old hoses. I adjusted my steering wheel position so I could see those gauges. Key shut-off is by pneumatic cylinder; the key won't shut it down before it airs up. Rear key start is needed if the anti-theft system is enabled. Try moving the "A/T" switch to the opposite position. Allison start interlock is also in the line for starter enable. You already know this, I reckon. You guys are great, you are the best! Question: The water pump chatters something awful. Are the bearings shot, or do those water pumps normally chatter?
This one of the problems with older motors, they lack shut down protection that would protect a driver or owner from not appreciating what the instrumentation was telling them.
Scott You should paint match and silk screen some new wording and move the oil pressure and engine temperature to the lower position and the other two gauges to the upper position. David In Eagle Idaho
That sucks! And that gauge placement is awful. I have a gas coach (a V-10). I run an IPad with the Dash Command app. This allows me to setup gauges the way I want with real time numbers. And they are in perfect view for me to see them.
So where does the overheated and destroyed engine fault lay? When you're running a rebuilt engine you've got to monitor the gauges. And not just for the first hundred miles. The fan wasn't rebuilt and it seems it failed. As the operator your responsible for the vehicle. On all large vehicles you've got to monitor the gauges constantly. It doesn't matter if you're running a rebuilt engine vehicle or a vehicle with high mileage. So if you're talking to him on the phone and you're asking him for numbers on the water temp gauge and he's reading you the transmission temperature or the oil temperature instead, then you've got somebody operating a vehicle that's not aware of the high sensitivity of these things.
man that puppy dog got hot like you said to bake the oil off the bottom end and weld it together... ssshheeeeeittt. bet he wishes he could hit the rewind button lol. that has to hurt
You can try sourcing engines from military equipment auctions. A lot of trucks came with 8v92's. You can probably find rebuilt engines still in transport containers.
I am even more puzzled after watching this video. I work on heavy diesel motors and I just make sure three to four gauges are working properly....here we have a dashboard with enough gauges to control a single engine plane!!!! What is missing in this picture? An engine of that type and size generates a lot of abnormal bangs and rattles as it graduates to a seize...and you can't mistake the loss of power and the smell of overheating moving parts..
YES!!!!! LOVE THE SONG!!!!! And all of those scary engine and bus failed parts.... Watching you tackle the bus challenges gives me courage to go after my riding mower problems... Thanks, Scott! willyB
Between the money for the spare powertrains, and the high utilisation of their buses, it was certainly faster and less expensive to change it than fix it on the bus. And when you have techs that do that all week, it’ll be done in a shift.
Wow!!! Bad scene, BAD. Apparently, the wiring problems most likely kept any warning system(s) that should have activated from doing so. Very unfortunate, and, EXPENSIVE. Thank God for solid, sound, honest bus mechanics like Bus Grease monkey.
Can a 6v92TA be swapped out with a 8V in a PT? Or what would be the best swap if still trying to be within a decent budget? It’d be nice to have a bit more power compared to my 6v.
It's completely unforgivable to set fire to $10,000+ over a recreational vehicle. We're not even talking about spending that cash to actually fix a problem, in fact, quite the opposite. This makes me ashamed to be human.
Was this the one that you also did the ratty radiator flush and repair a while ago? I seem to remember this one in the shop. What is the future of this coach? Are they going to replace the engine on this and get it back on the road, or is this the end of the road for this Wanderlodge??
WOW what a mess. But fancy putting the 2 most important gauges hidden behind the steering wheel. 🤦♂ The bottom end was so hot to melt the bearings is just mad. .
What are the chances that the garage that screwed up the hydraulic pump install that led to this chain of events will stand by their work and fix this? From your comments and some others it sounds to me as though the rebuilt hydraulic pump may have been defective. What are the odds of finding another engine to put in this bus?
Over the years I've found that electronic gauges are not accurate. By the time they show over heating it is already too late. You should see if Auto-Meter will build you some mechanical gauges with a 45' or 50' lead and mechanical oil pressure and water temp.
I was wondering, (as I've come across it once) did it run out of engine oil, (through the lack of gasket) seize, then the owner thought $*%t, I shoulda checked gauges - - & bunged in some used engine oil to swerve any 'owner/driver fault!
It's such a shame. That engine was running perfectly after you guys did the rebuild on it.
That is a rotten thing to a coach owner. Overpriced transmission pull-out, and did not take the time to properly install the rebuilt hydraulic pump which turns the radiator fan. Incompetence plus dishonest work equals disaster.
Why Grease Monkey is so busy.
And the hydraulic pump was not easy for Bus Grease |Monkey to rotate by hand so the so called rebuilt hydraulic pump by another garage seems to have not been rebuilt correctly because if it had been serviced correctly it would be easy to rotate by hand.
Pulling that transmission is a huge job. Lots of labor hours. We might have been the same or more money.
@@atman5230 makes you wish the fan had been operated by a good old fashioned pulley and belt.
Was it done at a Loves Truck Stop lol
You are a better man than me.When i give a price and the customer goes with the other guy and they screw it up.I tell them I have no interest in helping them
I guess it would be helpful if when your clients get into situations like this that they snap a photo of their gauge cluster at the first sign of any issues and or right before shutting the engine down safely. It's a sad situation in this video but you are teaching us a lot so thank you.
Im shocked that these motor homes don't come with mandatory kysor low oil and high temperature shut down controls on their engines, especially when a lot of these folks don't have a lot of experience paying real close attention to their gauges and listening for the different sounds that these big machines can make. I really feel for the owner and especially you guys after all that quality time and work you put in on the bus.
An engine shutting down randomly as you're going down the road is a very unsafe situation.
They have an alarm and he explained this bus has elect issues so that may not work
@@VonHitch Not to mention in RV guise, there's gonna be a LOT of insulation to keep that noise outside the coach. It's unfortunate that one bad decision by the owner resulted in another, that resulted in another, and another to this end.
@wolfman9999999 the Swiss cheese model proves true yet again.
If I'm not mistaken, DDEC engines (which this one isnt, I'm pretty sure) have a shutdown system that gives the driver a thirty second audible/visual warning. They also have an override button that gives you thirty more seconds in case you're in a bad spot to have to pull over. I'm sure its saved some engines.
Airline pilots do something called “the scan” . That should be done every few minutes on a vehicle like this on all the gauges as mandatory procedure.
Back in the day Hound drivers were trained to scan gauges roughly every minute as a matter of routine. The later coaches I drove had buzzers when the coach was approaching overheat. It was a routine habit, didn't even have to think about it.
Yep. 30 year retired A&P mech-ALWAYS scanning the gauges. Now instructing folks to get their CDL-have also held a CDL since 1994 & the instrument scan is CRITICAL.
not only the gages but the mirrors and all around a quick scan always I drove a tow truck and people just DO NOT know how to drive
@@stevenrobinson2381As a transit bus driver this is how we’re supposed to do it too.
Truckers as well
I like how no matter how much money you could make you still tell customers it's not worth the expense if this customer would have listened and only had you work on it it'd still be running
When I find a good mechanic,trustworthy,good workmanship,etcetera,I stick with him for many years.Do not think "I might try another mechanic " as you could end up regretting it.
@@atman5230 Especially when so many mechanics are lazy today. You can show them several grand in cash money, right there in front of their nose, and they will STILL tell you to kick rocks. They just do not want to work. I had to learn to do the work myself, and it sucked as I was literally learning as I was doing it, and I got it done, sloppily, and with breaking a lot of new parts on accident as I did not have the right technique, but it's fixed.
I'm surprised none of these busses have any kind of alarm for high temperature, low pressure, etc. With so much money invested, and all the mechanical systems way out back behind you, it seems like something that should be standard equipment.
Wanderlodges have an alarmstat that gives a dash warning light and buzzer for high temp, low oil pressure, low antifreeze. As BGM says, with all the electrical problems on this coach, this feature must not have been working.
See 16:44 for engine alarm warning light
I barely trust the old analog gauges and sensors on my schoolbus with a International V8.. Im gonna install a second set of digital backup ones.
My car has no temperature gauge but there is a warning light. One time it did get hot due to a traffic jam and the light came on. I got about 20 seconds between the light and the steam pouring out!
I had something very similar to my RV. Driving into Las Vegas when all of a sudden I lost the power steering. Luckily there was an off ramp. Let me say this driving without power steering was a bear. It took every ounce of force to turn the steering wheel. As I entered the off ramp I noticed the engine temp climbing. I got on to the shoulder of the road and turned off the engine. What I found all the Hydraulic fluid was gone. The towed car was covered with hydraulic oil. The cause was a hydraulic hose was so tight against the engine that it wore a hole into the hose that went to the radiator cooling fan. I called for road side assistance. The service tech replaced the hose. Replaced the hydraulic fluid and luckily I did not damage the engine. The RV is 2003.
Scott, V style Detroits have main saddle repairs available. I have installed hundreds of them over the years, even in blocks with minor cracking in the main saddles. You just have to make sure your machine shop has performed this operation before.
I think I’d just sit down and cry. 7pm
Throw up first then cry
@@BusGreaseMonkey So he also had the engine rebuilt. How much did he spend on the RV in total?
Whole dashboard layout is a design nightmare.
Can't wait for the saga to continue. I enjoyed the series on the rebuild of this engine. Good thing, seems like we'll get to watch another one.
I absolutely LOVE the montage at the end of this video !! The never ending carnage that you unearth in these busses is phenomenal !
Holy crap.. those are some melted bearings
That thing got hot.
@@BusGreaseMonkeyi cant even imagine how HOT it got.
But that is Bad design with very important gauges.
welded, even!
@@jrt2924must be a Wanderlodge thing. Driven all americans, and though not great by truck design, they were sure as sin better than this powerstation control centre panel.
Even just a warning "buzzer" could have saved that engine.
It's still on the burden of the driver. Scanning my eyes across the gauges has always been second nature to me. This extends to alot more than just buses and trucks with big engines and tons of gauges. I'd go as far as saying that 80% of MAJOR failures that require full rebuilds start as a minor failure. THEN, either the driver never looks at gauges, or if they did look at the gauges, they keep going anyways to avoid being stranded or needing a tow. In this situation, its even more sad. That is literally a house its not like being stranded with nothing. Pull it over and shut it down at the first sign of a problem, and wait for a tow.
@@Mikeywil0003 fully agree that scanning the gauges is a good habit, however simple warning lights or buzzers can save a LOT of money. I drove at this company once, with old Kenworths. One weekend someone used my truck to do something, and they left the power divider engaged on the front differential. The air switch is semi hidden on the dash, and the next day, I did not see it was engage and drove out on a trip on the sealed roads and the power divider etc did not like that at all. The temp gauges for the diffs did not work either, but when I pulled up an hour later, I could smell the heat coming from the front diff when I kicked the tires as per normal routine. The company installed a buzzer on the power divider after that near disaster.
I have owned a small fleet of coaches here in the uk,doing coach tours to Spain and France where it gets hot ! I'm always checking guages ,warning lights !
That was the same problem I had when I went to you a year ago, cooling fan lost draw and engine slowly heated. Unfortunately for him, it went to far. I sure feel his pain, that makes me sick.
That's very unfortunate that really sucks for the customer I feel bad for them
That engine done turned itself into modern art!
Great tune at the end!!! Hard too beat that bluegrass
Wow. Just rebuilt, too. Looks like the owner will retire from the RV lifestyle unless pockets are much deeper than they appear. He'll be in $25k (or more) for another engine, maybe needs a transmission - another $25k or more - plus what was already spent. Time to take their personal stuff out of the bus and title it to salvage. Chances of recovering the loss likely caused by incompetent work at "the other shop" is zero.
I smell a lawsuit. And to be a certified garage, you need a massive liability policy to cover mechanic’s cockups like this. If he has a guy who can get this anywhere near a courthouse, they’ll pay.
@@jaysmith1408 I'd like to be hopeful that the owner can receive full compensation but if Crayola had one in the box labeled "Cynical", that's what we'd color me. I suspect the best they might get is the value of the incorrectly done work. And I hope they can collect, because a judgment ain't the same as money in the bank.
It definitely is a young strong man’s profession. No offense Scott 😅😅😅
It certainly is very hard work.
Ohman... feel bad for your customer.. that really sucks.
Ahhh failure analysis...the nightmare is always exposed in due time, by qualified people. It is so sad to see the lack of pride and the disasters this causes. That engine should have lasted decades 😟
Scott is the only one to fix the fir cups, the others just do them! Continually.
The owner wasted $15,000. on fixing the oil leak and the shop that repaired it didn't even stop the leak ! The electrics of this bus are Mickey Mouse and need putting in order.The owner should have had more faith and trust in Bus Grease Monkey as BGM is very good at what he does and has excellent workmanship and good morals.
From what it sounds it was sitting quite awhile and time and mouses had went to work on the engine bay and dashboard. It probably had several miles of chewed wires and just corroded connections.
Oh my that bottom end is destroyed 😮😮
Wow. Really unfortunate. Dashboard layout is terrible obviously what with all the buttons and switches un-ergonomically scattered about. A soundboard technician would agree.
Absolutely horrendous design. The All Americans i’ve driven were much better than this, and the new generation are stellar. Glad to see Blue Bird came to their senses.
Can’t imagine the logic of putting all your gauges right on the panel, as opposed to off to the side, and cover half of them up with the wheel.
Must there be a switch to turn on the coffee maker, warm the bed, and flush the loo, all placed directly on the main gauge panel?
Gonna be big money to replace the whole drive train. Cooking the motor and transmission is no joke.
So sad to spend so much money and time to make it the best he could- and it failed in this way - it is entirely possible that he was not even seeing the most important gauges. There are a lot of them and it is really important to monitor all of them while going dow the road as they are the first indication of a failure. The next one is when you notice drivability issues and the final notice is when you clunk the motor. Unrebuildable is so sad.
It is very upsetting and devastating
There are so many types of welding - I'm not quite sure how to classify this. Leaving out a gasket on that pump was unforgiveable, re-using them is bad enough.
It's friction welding. There is a very similar process called friction stir welding where you spin the end of a stud against a plate to spot weld the stud on.
I'm gonna hang in there with you been with you from the start. Just keep giving us content good content Scania stuff is awesome! FCR stuff is great too
Ive seen a few overheared engines including a near new Mazda where the owner melted parts of the head!! . As for responsibilty for the cost of repairs,it was the last place that touched it 😢. I got sued ( unsuccessfully) whrn an owner claimed his engine failure was my fault . After i rebuilt the engine,the owner drove it 3000 miles without issue . Tgen a noise appeared and the owner got s freind of his to strip the engine. They did that,found no fault ( blown torque convertor!) and put tge engine back in the car . It suffered a catastrophic failure. The remains of the engine as oresented in court showed it gad pistons backbto front, stretched rod volts,stripped crankpulley threads etc etc . All I could say was" thats not my work" 😅
Oh man, how sad. :-( Beautiful wander lodge.
Scott, you really need to find some electronics guy who can make up a simple easy to install oil pressure/water temperature set of idiot lights that can be added to all the Detroit that runs separate from the 'factory' stuff. They should both come if the pressure temp is higher than expected or lower than expected and if the sensor is not sending at all. It would be best to have them hookup somewhere other than the factory locations. For racing go karts, we had a water temp thermocouple a small tube, cut the bottom radiator hose remove an inch of it and put the tube in. Oil is probably harder to find a different location for, perhaps you can just use a T at the factory location. Make it so it has logic and then sends signal over a phone cord (easy to buy, run, make) to a box in the front that just displays. I think it might cost a few hundred to make them, and a few to install them, but having some out of band gauges would be a real life saver. Heck for all I know something like this exists already.
Sometimes with an older unit like this the best course of action would have been to disassemble the entire drivetrain, cooling system etc and go through and rebuild/replace everything right off the bat. A lot of this is age related issues. Maybe it seems cost prohibitive initially but look where he is now.
Excellent diagonostics as usual.
If you rebuilt the engine and did not change out the radiator, clutch fan and hub assembly, all radiator hose and t-stat the engine failure is on mechanic shop.
I have watched a lot of your videos over the course of time...this one truly is one of the most painful to watch knowing how much wrenching has been done on it this year. The gauge layout is a horrible design...the oil and water temp gauges should be up high and plain as day to see without anything in the way.
When you said it was turning slowly when it shut down i was thinking it might be okay. After dropping that pan and seeing how clean and dry everything was i was like...that's a boat anchor...totally devastating. As you describe whats been done and so forth it sounds like the individual( i wouldn't call them a tech) who nicely cleaned off and then reassembled that pump without a gasket is the one to pin the blame on mostly if such is to be done.
I am sitting here just like what the....ya know. Totally preventable but it would appear to me that this mess is gonna get a lot stickier with that other shop that worked on that pump.
I have every confidence though that you guys will get it sorted out and i am sooooo rooting for the owner to emerge victorious.
What a great attitude for repairing something that someone else tore up after you just worked on it. I replaced an engine in a van for the mother of my kids and when I finished it, I told her not to drive it far because I only had water in the coolant system and no antifreeze or no coolant. When I got home the next day from work, the car was gone. She eventually pulled up and the engine was ticking. I really let her have it. She took the car too far and I hit the roof. I really chewed her out for that.
water cools better than coolant. I have had vehicles that would overheat with coolant and with water they do fine.
Mother of your children.
You people go backward.
So, you didn't do the job properly, and you chewed her out? Especially since an engine ticking has nothing to do with running 100% water... we can guess why she is just the "mother of [your] kids".
I'm shocked that Blue Bird considered it OK to hide the most important gauge (for 2-strokes) behind the steering wheel. What were they thinking? I moved my bus's coolant temperature gauge from the left of the gauge panel to dead center, specifically so I could easily see it all the time without any parallax errors. I also replaced the original Teleflex quarter-sweep gauges with Speedhut and AEM full-sweep gauges, so now there's no guessing exactly what's happening: it's very easy to see the exact temperatures/pressure/voltage/etc. DDEC will shut down the engine if coolant is too low level or too high temperature, and if oil pressure is too low, but I would still like to also have sensors for low oil level and low hyd/PS fluid level: are there aftermarket sensors for this? I can also read my hyd/PS fluid temp on my transmission temp gauge (and my oil temp on the coolant temp gauge), but only if I press a button next to the gauge.
After having had my engine completely rebuilt last year, I can feel for the owner. I would hate to see his Wanderlodge scrapped because of this. Is there space to fit a newer inline-6 engine or a Series 50? His axle ratio would then also need to be higher. Nothing's easy.
Well, that is extremely unfortunate. I am pretty far removed from the ol' 92-series use, but how plentiful are decent used take-out 8v's or even 6v's ?
I can remember one of our drivers melting down a 6v92. Our boss found a used one about 200 miles away, but that guy did a quick sniff-check on it, and he said it didn't pass his inspection so he wasn't going to ship something questionable to us. That ended up being the demise of that cabover Astro at that point. They left it out back of the local shop about a full year, by then all the tires were spongy, and everyone just gave up on the old girl. Not the biggest loss ever, but it was one machine that was a good runner for within about 90 miles. Not my decision to give up on it, but I guess the boss felt it was time to move on and let her go.
Priceless installment and you are so right on! The poor owner of my 85 Wanderlodge 6V92 paid $20,000 for an engine rebuild after what they called "coolant silicon drop out." Please note, the calibration of those temperature gauges can be way off. Mine runs and drives perfectly but I don't trust those 40 year old hoses. I adjusted my steering wheel position so I could see those gauges. Key shut-off is by pneumatic cylinder; the key won't shut it down before it airs up. Rear key start is needed if the anti-theft system is enabled. Try moving the "A/T" switch to the opposite position. Allison start interlock is also in the line for starter enable. You already know this, I reckon. You guys are great, you are the best! Question: The water pump chatters something awful. Are the bearings shot, or do those water pumps normally chatter?
Some have advised at least scanning instruments when you pass a mile marker.
That may not work on some stretches of road.
This one of the problems with older motors, they lack shut down protection that would protect a driver or owner from not appreciating what the instrumentation was telling them.
"Wonderlodge" - its a wonder it even ran.
Scott
You should paint match and silk screen some new wording and move the oil pressure and engine temperature to the lower position and the other two gauges to the upper position.
David
In Eagle Idaho
That sucks! And that gauge placement is awful.
I have a gas coach (a V-10). I run an IPad with the Dash Command app. This allows me to setup gauges the way I want with real time numbers. And they are in perfect view for me to see them.
If you close your eyes and just listen to this guy's voice, it sounds a little similar to Wes from Watch Wes Work.
I like watching wes
Or Drew Carey.
@SuperUnknown1967 oh yeah you're right he does lol
3:48 I thought I was the only one who crossed my eyes and dotted my tees. 🙂
Carnage. Your theme song rocks.
So where does the overheated and destroyed engine fault lay?
When you're running a rebuilt engine you've got to monitor the gauges.
And not just for the first hundred miles.
The fan wasn't rebuilt and it seems it failed.
As the operator your responsible for the vehicle.
On all large vehicles you've got to monitor the gauges constantly.
It doesn't matter if you're running a rebuilt engine vehicle or a vehicle with high mileage.
So if you're talking to him on the phone and you're asking him for numbers on the water temp gauge and he's reading you the transmission temperature or the oil temperature instead, then you've got somebody operating a vehicle that's not aware of the high sensitivity of these things.
The owner needs to relocate his water temp and oil pressure gauges to where he can see them with ease.
Interesting montage of problems you've encountered accompanying the Tom Felner song at the end.
At least its at the right place!!!
man that puppy dog got hot like you said to bake the oil off the bottom end and weld it together... ssshheeeeeittt. bet he wishes he could hit the rewind button lol. that has to hurt
You can try sourcing engines from military equipment auctions. A lot of trucks came with 8v92's. You can probably find rebuilt engines still in transport containers.
We will look for one
I am even more puzzled after watching this video. I work on heavy diesel motors and I just make sure three to four gauges are working properly....here we have a dashboard with enough gauges to control a single engine plane!!!! What is missing in this picture? An engine of that type and size generates a lot of abnormal bangs and rattles as it graduates to a seize...and you can't mistake the loss of power and the smell of overheating moving parts..
Feel bad for the owner liking this video.
YES!!!!! LOVE THE SONG!!!!! And all of those scary engine and bus failed parts.... Watching you tackle the bus challenges gives me courage to go after my riding mower problems... Thanks, Scott! willyB
So Sorry 😢😢😢
No wonder people come to you for expert service and fair pricing.
Always pays tohave a fully working and accurate set of guages, the most important being coolant & oil pressure..
I’m surprised they don’t have a suite of Murphy Gauges.
So ,this is why greyhound would after so many miles ,pull the power train and put a newly rebuilt one in its place
Between the money for the spare powertrains, and the high utilisation of their buses, it was certainly faster and less expensive to change it than fix it on the bus. And when you have techs that do that all week, it’ll be done in a shift.
As you say, one has to wonder why the engine alarm didn’t sound to alert the driver to overheating
Wow!!! Bad scene, BAD. Apparently, the wiring problems most likely kept any warning system(s) that should have activated from doing so. Very
unfortunate, and, EXPENSIVE. Thank God for solid, sound, honest bus mechanics like Bus Grease monkey.
cool clip, keep them coming
What a shame. 😭 Dials are there for a reason. And thousands of dollars to leave with the same problem guys.
I known about these coaches for a while. Those hoses are 'death' (like this) if nor replaced asap when you don't know.
Let us know the outcome. Stay safe.🇨🇦
Very unusual instrument panel.
I really like that original BGM Ditty. …. Still makes me laugh.
Having said that… my heart goes out to the owner of that rig…
Why do people keep running the engine when it’s hot? They just don’t understand how much damage they are causing.
Some thoughts on a powertrain retrofit. ATEC can talk through an obd2 interface to a canbus connector to a Cummins X12N, Cummins ISM, M11, L10Celect.
looks like a complete rebuild.
Can a 6v92TA be swapped out with a 8V in a PT? Or what would be the best swap if still trying to be within a decent budget? It’d be nice to have a bit more power compared to my 6v.
What CRAP Ergonomics! What was Blue Bird thinking?? To 'hide' the two most important gauges behind the steering wheel!
It's completely unforgivable to set fire to $10,000+ over a recreational vehicle. We're not even talking about spending that cash to actually fix a problem, in fact, quite the opposite. This makes me ashamed to be human.
why don't the engines throttle down or shut off automatically when dangerous levels are reached?
Was this the one that you also did the ratty radiator flush and repair a while ago? I seem to remember this one in the shop. What is the future of this coach? Are they going to replace the engine on this and get it back on the road, or is this the end of the road for this Wanderlodge??
WOW what a mess. But fancy putting the 2 most important gauges hidden behind the steering wheel. 🤦♂ The bottom end was so hot to melt the bearings is just mad. .
Wow that sure was expensive on top of what it cost to fix the trans. So what's next?
What are the chances that the garage that screwed up the hydraulic pump install that led to this chain of events will stand by their work and fix this? From your comments and some others it sounds to me as though the rebuilt hydraulic pump may have been defective. What are the odds of finding another engine to put in this bus?
Sounds like someone needs to be on a lookout for another fire engine with a good Detroit in it.
Oh my Lord that poor fella,,, it's making me nauseous hearing the tale of woe....
And the tale of dough $$$
doesnt matter what part failed if the operator cant see the temp gauge going to the moon or chooses to ignore it then its just making more dmg
Seems like you're fighting a losing battle. At least it's job security.
Over the years I've found that electronic gauges are not accurate. By the time they show over heating it is already too late. You should see if Auto-Meter will build you some mechanical gauges with a 45' or 50' lead and mechanical oil pressure and water temp.
Drivers who do not shut down their overheated engines is a common story.
So, $15k to fix a leak not fixed will now cost a completely new engine. Ouch. I don't even want to know what a replacement 8V92TA is gonna cost.
X12N + Voith d867.7 hybrid (if the parts are available), you'll have an on-board generator.
Why I added a dual temp reading digital glow shift gauge mounted above the dash panel, reads both head temps
Smart
I was wondering, (as I've come across it once) did it run out of engine oil, (through the lack of gasket) seize, then the owner thought $*%t, I shoulda checked gauges - - & bunged in some used engine oil to swerve any 'owner/driver fault!
If the bus still worth something, swapping those gauges is mandatory
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a bearing as melted as that one. However, like I like to say, if you’re going to do it, do it properly 😬
Can a second or backup alarm be installed?
This bus is now probably a total loss!
What is the plan going forward? Will you rebuild it again?