I want an open source project like ExpressLRS for a digital FPV system. I really want this to happen, to free us from the proprietary DJI and Sharkbyte systems. I think the ELRS community has proven just how great and how much innovation the community itself has to offer, which manufacturers have failed to implement for years.
There is this project: befinitiv.wordpress.com/wifibroadcast-analog-like-transmission-of-live-video-data/ I haven't tested it myself, but it uses WIFI without association and error-checking. So, if you use 5GHz wifi adapters, it should sort of be business as usual. You would need a Raspberry pi on both ends. For the receiver, that's not a problem - just plug the HDMI out on the Pi to your goggles. On the quad, you need to have space for at least a Zero.
@@ojkolsrud1 very cool project, as far as the pi zero on the quad i would think it wouldn't be a problem for quads except for maybe 65 mm tinywhoops, thanks again for pointing out this project
@@ojkolsrud1 It's a great project but the latency is way too high for small quads. It would be cool for ardupilot on a big quad, wing or similar though.
I have been flying elrs for about a month on the diy 2.4 system. I am really impressed with the work of the Devs, and the support you get on the discord server. I have the ability to Brick hw very easily, and I haven't had an issue with elrs that the devs couldn't help me with....love it!!
Thanks for posting the tutorial! I have 2.4Ghz slim module from a DIY seller on my Tango2 and I built my own PP Rx. Express LRS is awesome! You shoud use "LQ" and "dbm" in the OSD for a better link reading (but more screen clutter). I've had the chip antenna out to over 1200m at 100mW.
I'm really excited for what ELRS can bring to the micro world, or just fpv in general. With manufacturers starting making hardware for it, it's slowly becoming more accessible for other people. Other radio manufacturers are gonna have to keep up with what Alessandro is doing
Fantastic flying and review, Nick! Thanks a lot! 😃 I'm DEFINITELY going to flash my R9 stuff with Express LRS! And I may even get the 2.4Ghz version as well! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
OMG, I NEED THAT 915MHz FC!!! They also need a 2.4GHz version as I'm obviously already invested into the 915MHz lineup, but I've got the 2.4GHz coming soon as well!
Frsky might have to do something very soon. New radio companies in the market, binding frsky receivers becoming more questionable and ELRS on the market at a low price with super small and light Rx.
Nick, you have to use RSSIdbm and LQ!!! RSSI is kinda a meaningless scale. RSSIdbm is the actual reported signal level by the radio chip. We choose to have it so RSSI can go to 0 before failsafe so you have a broader range of values but it means you can't really do comparisons with other systems like that. LQ is actually the important parameter because it tells you what % of packets was received with success. I recon you could have gone further on ELRS.
By the way, rssi is not a useful number for testing your signal quantity. Use rssi-dbm to see how well the signal is being received, and LQ to see how many valid packets are being received
Oh WOW , that small stuff is a real game changer , you can focus on battery weight because with the extra space and lighter parts Maybe flight times can increase . 😎👍
I am going 900mhz elrs since i got go back to my x9d. At least I had a r9 2018 which I never got receivers for. Now ordered 2 happymodell ones and getting two use r9mm so I'll try it out this year
This looks amazing!. Might make for a good Fathers day gift :D Thanks for the low-down on this.. Now we can be lighter and go further with our CineWhoops!
Absolutely brilliant!! I will definitely be updating all my receivers. Can't wait for the lite module and 2.4g AIO :) Lost my Mob6 HD while flying over water recently.. Must've been about 50 meters away :(
@@dcvshambhu Thanks. An AIO with Crossfire and DJIFPV would also be great but I can't see that happening. The Sharkbyte LRS AIO could really dominate in this space and it's a squeeze but doable with a triple layer 25x25 board.
What's the penetration like if you go loop behind trees for example on the 2.4ghz vs 900mhz systems? Trying to decide which route to go... I love the idea of the little ceramic antennas but not if still can't fly around trees
Exciting stuff-Thanks for the great video! I just got into the hobby and I love flying micros..and building too. A 2s with shark byte and these tiny receivers would be bomb! So many toys, so little time
Do you agree, going ExpressLRS for micros solves a number of issues? This isn't a max range rather a proof of concept or minimum. ELRS has been out 3km on 10mW! EP2 Nano Rx bit.ly/3sS94sb EP1 Nano Rx bit.ly/3tTjOYM PP Nano Rx bit.ly/3xr4ODG 2.4Ghz TX module (does come with a project box, printed) bit.ly/3vmwkQC Empty module bay box bit.ly/3tT8LyA 900mhz AIO Coming Soon! Firmware updating video by Kaiju bit.ly/3xsNtde
Nick, the Rssi dont mean much in ELRS but the Link Quality, i have seen videos of people who have -109 dbM signal and 100% Link quality, that means that altough the signal can be very weak according to signal strength, the LORA protocol is capable enough to maintain a high-quality link, you can go 30km+ @ 10mW easily.
@@rolisaenz Sure. I have the avio set for rssi dbm and LQ. I do have to be careful not to fly out of observers sight. Don't want to gain that unwanted attention :)
So looking forward to this honestly. I have been trying to put up with xm and xm+ but the fact that this should work with my radio no problem is pretty darn exciting. It would be SO amazing if someone could bundle this into a multiprotocol module!... lol
Nick, I have a question. I seem to have the most trouble with my video signal, not my control link. I have a stone house and can’t fly around to the other side without video cutting out. Even my quads with 200mW vtx fail. Do you have any experience with ground stations? I’m trying to find some way to fly around my whole yard (I have tried new antennas). Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks in advance :)
Need a Tango 2 style radio with it. ;) But honestly not sure what’s wrong with D8 for whoops and CRSF for Toothpicks or micros. Works really well as long as you have an MPM radio. If you’re new to the hobby I can see why this might be appealing but I’m gonna be a laggard on this one.
Crossfire is good, but: 1. It's still big for mircos. 2. Only TBS developing it 3. Not OpenTX friendly. If it's not open project then people not interested for developing it. Opposite of it all Open source projects. That's why FrSky kick everyone on the balls 4 years ago with cheap, reliable radios with OpenTX.
@@pksteffen Bro, did you even read what I said? I said crsf is too expensive, not that it doesn't work well Also, do your whoops use spi receivers? Because many people (including me) have found the range of those to be insufficient.
Would certainly be interested in FCs with the ceramic antenna built in. That bloody non-standard stupid long antenna on the Moblite board is annoying as all hell
Wow...this is amazing. I get fail safes at barely 50' with the SPI receiver, but that is in my neighborhood with wifi at each house. An AIO with 200mw video feed and built in LRS would be perfect!!!
While I appreciate Kaijo video he made about the set up. The video is very fast and not in actual steps. Like backing up your models in OpenTX etc...And if you never delt with OpenTX & never drop files on a SD card before? It can be a little confusing! I already got the Happy model 2.4 module and two EP1 receivers.. I spent hours on my Radiomaster tx16s last night and it's still showing a firmware warning on the radio when powered up. I haven't even got as far as updating firmware on the Happy model 2.4g module yet! Much less binding any of my EP1 receivers through Wifi or Betaflight passthrough. But I'm very excited about this protocol. And cant wait to see its true potential. I'm really curious about how fast the latency difference vs Tracer which I been flying around for a while. And you can truly tell the difference between Tracer and normal Crossfire receiver. Hopefully I can get everything sorted on ERLS so I can fly it!
There are more lengthy videos on updating opentx. We can slow down the video with the gear icon in the youtube play window, that might also help. And as DeltaGeek mentioned there is the ELRS discord, I hear its a very good place with a level headed community.
@@NickBurnsFPV Awesome Nick thanks for the info. I'm level headed most of the time if my wife & kids are not yelling at me. I'm already on multiple communities on discord so that's great to know. I expect that many more members will be releasing videos on ELRS
Dumb question: you used an external module on your T-Lite?!? Thanks! I'd love to be able to use the tango2 internal tx to bind to 918mhz receivers... I doubt tbs will ever be opened to that.
Xt-xinte lists the F4 ELRS board already. Personally I'm waiting for the programmer to do the conversion on my R9. UAVtech has shown very impressive specs for it, the signal consistency is awesome, be it about the packet delivery or the latency. I hope we get T-lite a 5 in 1 or even plain ELRS module to replace the 4 in 1, I have zero problems moving to open source asap.
The rssi doesn't really represent the signal strength, it's also possible that it just isn't calibrated or failsafes at a different point (frsky XM+ for example failsafes at 65 rssi)
Hey Nick, have you tried scaling the RSSI in Betaflight? I had to do it for both of my R9 receivers because the Betaflight RSSI reading was always way lower than my controller RSSI reading. They are the settings rssi_scale and rssi_offset in the CLI. Something about still having seeming perfect RX connection at 0 RSSI seems just a *bit* off to me.
Pretty freaking excited, just started the process of installing my 2.4 g on my jumper t-lite! Can’t wait till I’m done 2:15am now have to stop 😩😩😩 for now !
I can get the wifi to Link to my Ep1 but it won't take me to update site ? Sorry to bother you but any ideas ? I'm trying to figure out the command promp thing you did ?
@@rk-rc6045 If your on a windows computer, in the search bar type "cmd". The black window should appear on screen then type "ping 10.0.0.1" if your ep1 and computer are both connected then we will see what I have in the video.
Thank you ! Everything is updated and bound ! Tomorrow we fly far away !?! Really appreciate the help and all the time you put in for our benefit ! Have a great summer !
So I'm confused and this might be a stupid question, but is this a receiver to use instead of the XM+ receiver, or something to add to the XM+ or other receiver? Because I for one am fed up with the new XM+ and other frysky receivers!
What is your opinion if you were to use ExpressLrs to upgrade a Eachine Novice IV rtf kit. using the TX12 controller.. I am trying to upgrade mine. This is all so new to me- but I want better everything with my drone.. Right now I can only fly a distance of a soccer field before the video cuts out.. maybe still set at only 25 mhz?
yes, Betafpv just launched their nano module for elrs. I have no information on the multiprotocol module updating to include this protocol. I believe it will require new hardware.
ELRS looks great ...⚡.Lots of exciting stuff recently...went Ghost myself...OTA updates and binding being a non-issue...the little Zepto is so small I have to make sure the ceiling fans are off in the room when I open the bag...lol...but probably not quite the range that 900mhz ELRS will be capable of..but..I have no plans to circumnavigate the globe any time soon so 30 or 40 km will do I suppose...lol...
Which of the Happymodel Expresslrs systems would give better penetration in an urban environment? 2.4ghz or 900mhz? I never fly far but do fly around and in buildings.
As you might guess I don't have experience flying in bandos or urban. From what I have read 900mhz has better range and therefore should have better penetration.
Nick, I have a question. I have purchased the HappyModel TX24 module and three quads with the EP2 RX . I updated my Jumper T12 Pro to the latest version of open tx. created a model and turned on the external module and set the model to CRSF and used the Express LRS tool to create a LUA script, and moved it into the tools folder on the SD card. The module lights up in red, When I attempt to load the script, it freezes with Loading ???/? displayed and will not get past it. It also locks the radio to where I can only use the model created and will not let me change models until restart Do you have any ideas? I also set the baud rate to the lowest setting, and it refuses to load the script!
@@NickBurnsFPV Thanks for the response Nick. Another gentleman suggested that I downgrade the LUA script from 2.0 to 1.1.2. I told him that many TH-camrs instructed people to use the lastest version of the build. I had the Express LRS Configurator 1.3.2 and was downloading release 2.0 as per many peoples instructions. The script never would load. I downloaded an older version of the release 1.1.2. I'll be damned it worked. I do not realize why the configurator is still 1.3.2 and the latest release is 2.0. No matter, it is working great now!
@@parker1ray lol. sorry I am not laughing at you, but this hobby. Some things don't make sense and we have to beat our head in to finally stumble onto a solution. Good you got it sorted out, I suspect this is a logical explanation, but with the versioning being so different its hard to see.
A question regarding the Slim Module bay of taranis x-lite, jumper t-lite and tbs tango 2: Are the all the same and compatible - say for 4in1 modules? At banggood there is a new ExpressLRS slim module for jumper t-lite and i am curious if that also works on my taranis x-lite or x9d lite
I am not certain the t-lite external bay is the same as x-lite or tango 2. It would be silly to have some custom pin out, but its possible its non-standard.
Amazing to see how far things have come in just a few years, sold most of my FPV gear early last year at the height of the pandemic, plan on getting back into it again once prices settle down. ExpressLRS looks incredible, what radio's are suitable for it though, that seems to be a little talked about part of getting it up and running.
@@NickBurnsFPV Are any manufacturers working on a radio for expresslrs? Something that supports 2.4g and 900mhz out of the box would be ideal, I know there's the likes of the tango 2 now, but after installing a module for expresslrs, your basically making the crossfire redundant as its inferior to what expresslrs can do.
@@Kaarzah It could come, this is pretty new to the market. Although developing a new mold and putting together a radio is a time intensive development. RaceDayQuads started developing a radio over a year ago, we have not see it come to market...likely won't at this point. :(
Yes, range isn't an issue for some of us. I wonder if we will continue to see frsky d8 mode on micros if happymodel and eventually betafpv are going ExpressLRS. I don't know anything, but it would make sense.
@@NickBurnsFPV Yeah I think if they moved away from D8 that would just be the nail in the coffin for me and the hobbie haha. But it would make sense if they went that way mate.
@nickburns Can you explain 2.4ghz vs 900mhz (does the video system you are running, say for instance dji hd, impact which you should opt for, or the country you are in etc.)? Thx
No the video has no bearing. 2.4ghz vs 900mhz: 900mhz will have more range but isn't legal in all countries and countries it is legal may require a license of some sort. 2.4ghz is more universal and doesn't require a special license.
@@NickBurnsFPV thank you! After reading this I have just ordered the happymodel elrs micro tx and two of the rxs that come with the ceramic antenna to try with it! Hopefully, the ceramic antenna version gives good range and connection in high multipath environments too.
Nick.. Would you be able to show a complete setup on your radio? You me0ntioned that its already programmed.. if so.. what exactly do you need to update on your radio?.. most videos show all aspects from building to programming... could you show with this hardware.. Tahnk your sir... Always love your vids.. Take care...
Biiiig + for me is the price.. Half the price for a receiver compared to the ghost or tracer systems is perfect. However, if this makes tbs lower the price of there tracer receiver, I might choose that system instead
hey nick.big fan.i have a question.can i install an expresslrs rx to and existing frsky AIO whoop/ghoothpick fc/board.via uart i presume.is it a straight forward thing like adding any rx.or???i want to add Elrs to my 2s crux 3
And again you've cost me money Mr burns, but I can see me loving this, is there a stable update then yet. Iv just ordered the tlite elrs nano and an ep1 receiver,,, let's enjoy the future
lol sorry :) Well I can't say its stable, or really unstable. I think the performance of ExpressLRS is currently there and working. As more and more use it the confidence in its reliability in a host of flight situations will build. As to the current software it has been working as expected for me on a nightly version of OpenTX. Will there be updates, certainly, will we "have to have them"....I can't weigh in on that, its to hard to tell what might be discovered...negative or positive.
I hope the multi module folks look to work with expresslrs and do just this as well. It would be great. But likely require us users to make another purchase.
Still waiting for a crossfire integrated whoop board. I run crossfire on my 2s whoops, and Eachine offers it on the 1s with a separate receiver, but it would be nice to get one integrated. Interesting stuff though, I look forward to more videos.
I would suspect that is a long way from today. To my knowledge TBS or Immersion aren't partnering with companies that make AIO, if they make their own I would the cost to start being a barrier for them.
Hey nick, i picked up a namelessrc aio412t. Watched your video on it. Informative as always. You had mentioned to not solder the motor wires to the pinholes but to use the pads. Is there a reason for this? What difference would it make? If any?
@@NickBurnsFPV i basic set up. Just so i can get in the air. Are there download able set ups. Just really unsure of what info/vid will be helpful. Not to mention i use flysky receivers. So thats no help. Most setups are frsky.
@@NickBurnsFPV also is it internal or external? The paperwork is way different an doesn't give enough details. Zero help there. Lol your help is always appreciated.
Gday Nick, banggers has 2.4ghz on preorder at the moment but selling fast, do you think its worth getting for micros? the software flashing for elrs is a bit of an ordeal if your not great with that sort of thing (like mysel) lol, that's the only thing that I'm concerned about, do you think the software will get more user friendly in time, awsome review mate.👍🛸
I soldered thumb cam to my moblite7. Works fine. Can I solder on top of the same pads this elrs (ep2 2,4)? Or is it too much? Will i burn something or it won't have enough power?
Its not recommended to double solder to any one pad, will it burn or damage...maybe we just don't do that when we can avoid it. Normally if we overload the 5v regulator what happens is the flight controller resets, or we get a component brownout.
Well, in your last video I complained that everything was the same; nice to see a "breakthrough" with respect to "range-per-gram" ....this (could) be the next biggie in micros...if the reliability is there and we can somehow get it well-integrated with ...maybe... a lightweight Fatshark HD system (in addition to their analogue link with good video).
I don't know if we really need to have it integrated. The EP2 RX weighs 1/2gram with short wiring maybe adding another 1/4gram. I don't think we will see an AIO with vtx, rx, fc and esc that can support 2s, in the short run. I think the AIO will likely have to drop some component for 2s. We will certainly see a 2.4ghz 1s aio with vtx,rx, fc, and esc, but we will likely have to add a regulator to get to 7v for shark byte. Really, anything is possible with the right partnerships.
D8 wouldn’t die if FrSky would had supported it in their newer transmitters. D16 wouldn’t die if they wouldn’t have gone the Access and V2 route. D16 only exists because of Jumper/Radiomaster/etc.
Likely Correct, I do think companies like happymodel and betafpv would have moved away from it still with expresslrs being opensource and solving likely the number 1 complaint on their products....rc link range.
Noob question if I want lrs what do I look for? I only know xfire a bit. So how do I know if I’m getting a drone that supports lrs? Sorry if the question doesn’t make sense
@@NickBurnsFPV ok, so the rx will be named similarly? Sorry, I’m new. I’ve seen enough to recognize xfire and frsky for example but not so much the others as I’m not familiar. Thank you, don’t see too much lrs I guess
Not trying to get you in trouble but I feel you should know the FAA rules correctly. Having spotters down the path does not count for LOS. LOS is from your point of transmission and your spotter must be there too! Be careful, FAA knows little about the hobby.
Wonderful controller project but you can not forget bn880 support and barometer included... In other case the project will loose sense. 2.4 ghz is very popular
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I want an open source project like ExpressLRS for a digital FPV system. I really want this to happen, to free us from the proprietary DJI and Sharkbyte systems. I think the ELRS community has proven just how great and how much innovation the community itself has to offer, which manufacturers have failed to implement for years.
Agreed 100 percent.
There is this project: befinitiv.wordpress.com/wifibroadcast-analog-like-transmission-of-live-video-data/
I haven't tested it myself, but it uses WIFI without association and error-checking. So, if you use 5GHz wifi adapters, it should sort of be business as usual. You would need a Raspberry pi on both ends. For the receiver, that's not a problem - just plug the HDMI out on the Pi to your goggles. On the quad, you need to have space for at least a Zero.
It's only a matter of time :)
@@ojkolsrud1 very cool project, as far as the pi zero on the quad i would think it wouldn't be a problem for quads except for maybe 65 mm tinywhoops, thanks again for pointing out this project
@@ojkolsrud1 It's a great project but the latency is way too high for small quads. It would be cool for ardupilot on a big quad, wing or similar though.
No joke- we are at the dawn of a radio link renaissance thanks to ExpressLRS. Very excited to see the tech improving so quickly.
its so hard to bind tho. everything i see on ELRS binding and setup is super complex
@@federalaviationadministrat3960 thats wrong, its wifi now and its super easy!
@@ThomasShue oki just got my elrs recivers and the module is coming from banggood hopfully soon..,..
I have been flying elrs for about a month on the diy 2.4 system. I am really impressed with the work of the Devs, and the support you get on the discord server. I have the ability to Brick hw very easily, and I haven't had an issue with elrs that the devs couldn't help me with....love it!!
Thanks for posting the tutorial! I have 2.4Ghz slim module from a DIY seller on my Tango2 and I built my own PP Rx. Express LRS is awesome! You shoud use "LQ" and "dbm" in the OSD for a better link reading (but more screen clutter). I've had the chip antenna out to over 1200m at 100mW.
I just ordered 2.4ghz ELRS starter set for T-Lite with three receivers. Thanks for the review.
I'm really excited for what ELRS can bring to the micro world, or just fpv in general. With manufacturers starting making hardware for it, it's slowly becoming more accessible for other people. Other radio manufacturers are gonna have to keep up with what Alessandro is doing
I can't wait to watch THIS once I get home, love some elrs content
I may need to run this again as I didn't have lq on, rssi only. Range newbie smh
@@NickBurnsFPV if youre going to redo it , could ya put rssi dbm on screen too?
@@nistax2880 yes. I have the avio set for rssi dbm and Lq. I hope to have a gap tonight with the kids.
With rssiDb you can safely go upto -105 and lq starts dropping toward the end only. Waiting for the second video😁
My Happymodel ExpressLrs is on its way. I do have Crossfire but cant wait to receive it!
This vid will definitely be helpful
Fantastic flying and review, Nick! Thanks a lot! 😃
I'm DEFINITELY going to flash my R9 stuff with Express LRS! And I may even get the 2.4Ghz version as well! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Very exiting stuff here! Been waiting YEARS for a 900mhz onboard whoop aio! Tbs wouldn't do it! Elrs did it!
Uh what!?!?! 900Mhz AIO???? Loving the ExpressLRS project. Finally getting ready to flash all my R9 stuff. Thanks for the info Nick!!!
I'm pre-liking this video, just because I know you are going to love these new receivers!
OMG, I NEED THAT 915MHz FC!!!
They also need a 2.4GHz version as I'm obviously already invested into the 915MHz lineup, but I've got the 2.4GHz coming soon as well!
I do expect we will see the 2.4Ghz in about a month
Also, you were sitting less than a meter from the ground... meaning you suffer from ground interference!
You can apparently already buy the AIO from the AliExpress store, I just ordered one :D
@@sjoervanderploeg4340 ah, I often forget about aliexpress. I have added a link. Thank you
Happymodel is gaining traction with their new products.
Thanks Nick. I love everything ELRS and HappyModel is doing. What I hate about It is that we are still buying FRSKY Rxs and prices are not going down.
Frsky might have to do something very soon. New radio companies in the market, binding frsky receivers becoming more questionable and ELRS on the market at a low price with super small and light Rx.
Awesome! Looking forward to seeing the 2.4 version.
Nick, you have to use RSSIdbm and LQ!!! RSSI is kinda a meaningless scale. RSSIdbm is the actual reported signal level by the radio chip. We choose to have it so RSSI can go to 0 before failsafe so you have a broader range of values but it means you can't really do comparisons with other systems like that. LQ is actually the important parameter because it tells you what % of packets was received with success. I recon you could have gone further on ELRS.
Sorry. I fly so much around the house, I didn't think of needing lq. I think I should run it again as this isn't a good example.
By the way, rssi is not a useful number for testing your signal quantity. Use rssi-dbm to see how well the signal is being received, and LQ to see how many valid packets are being received
Good point. This isn't explained very well on most YT vids yet.
I'm loving it. Just loving these times...thanks for the amazing video!
Oh WOW , that small stuff is a real game changer , you can focus on battery weight because with the extra space and lighter parts
Maybe flight times can increase .
😎👍
That all in one board looks awesome
I am going 900mhz elrs since i got go back to my x9d. At least I had a r9 2018 which I never got receivers for. Now ordered 2 happymodell ones and getting two use r9mm so I'll try it out this year
Yes! Can't wait to get mine.
This looks amazing!. Might make for a good Fathers day gift :D Thanks for the low-down on this.. Now we can be lighter and go further with our CineWhoops!
yes sir. We could be nearing the end of needing so many different protocols. It could come down to just crossfire, ghost and ELRS.
superb video, I was impatiently awaiting the first tests😁 very nice review top😃👊👍
Keep on eye on Wezley Varty's channel for real range testing. He should have something up in the next few days or so.
@@NickBurnsFPV thank you that's nice, have a good evening see you soon and have a good flight😃👊👍
Hi Nick, thanks for sharing your thoughts about expresslrs. Your opinion is really relevant for the tiny whoop lovers. Best regards from Brazil 🙂👍
Nice to see old military tech being being used by the hobbyist
Absolutely brilliant!! I will definitely be updating all my receivers.
Can't wait for the lite module and 2.4g AIO :)
Lost my Mob6 HD while flying over water recently.. Must've been about 50 meters away :(
Yes, we need the slim/nano module. Expresslrs should solve the issue with low spi rx range.
Awesome 😎👍 thanks Nick.
Keep up the good work love the vids
Thats a really nice stretch to fly in.
This is really cool. Thanks for this video
If someone makes an AIO express LRS 900 + Sharkbyte board and possibly even 1s capable it would be a gamechanger.
We would need a 7v+ pad on the aio. Not sure if AIO manufactures would be all that interested, but depends on the partner.
@@NickBurnsFPV When there is $ to be made 😄
Absolutely game changer...very well said.... becoz next is digital fpv.....
@@dcvshambhu Thanks. An AIO with Crossfire and DJIFPV would also be great but I can't see that happening. The Sharkbyte LRS AIO could really dominate in this space and it's a squeeze but doable with a triple layer 25x25 board.
@@changeagent228 I hope in future there may be 1s shark byte aio board so that tiny whoop lovers can enjoy with ultra light whoops....
What's the penetration like if you go loop behind trees for example on the 2.4ghz vs 900mhz systems? Trying to decide which route to go... I love the idea of the little ceramic antennas but not if still can't fly around trees
That area as a barbed wire fence, and worse snakes. I have been back there once. I will work to avoid that area :)
The most interesting thing to me is the ceramic antennas!
That is pretty cool. I had no idea that was even a thing.
Exciting stuff-Thanks for the great video! I just got into the hobby and I love flying micros..and building too. A 2s with shark byte and these tiny receivers would be bomb! So many toys, so little time
Do you agree, going ExpressLRS for micros solves a number of issues? This isn't a max range rather a proof of concept or minimum. ELRS has been out 3km on 10mW!
EP2 Nano Rx bit.ly/3sS94sb
EP1 Nano Rx bit.ly/3tTjOYM
PP Nano Rx bit.ly/3xr4ODG
2.4Ghz TX module (does come with a project box, printed) bit.ly/3vmwkQC
Empty module bay box bit.ly/3tT8LyA
900mhz AIO Coming Soon!
Firmware updating video by Kaiju bit.ly/3xsNtde
Thanks for the link, Nick! ❤️
@@kaijupower Yes sir. Your vid covers it well!
Still wondering how they let "PP" through
@@Vitroid It stands for Pew Pew, like shooting a gun in star wars.....not really :)
@Grim FPV Its from the UZ85, which is the caddx ant lite.
That’s awesome. I’ve got some Elrs in the mail. Can’t wait for it to arrive and put it in a micro. :)
Excellent waiting for the small Tx and then moving to elrs
slim module should be out in the next 30 days.
Nick, the Rssi dont mean much in ELRS but the Link Quality, i have seen videos of people who have -109 dbM signal and 100% Link quality, that means that altough the signal can be very weak according to signal strength, the LORA protocol is capable enough to maintain a high-quality link, you can go 30km+ @ 10mW easily.
Should I run it again with dbm value?
@@NickBurnsFPV Just enable Link Quality on the OSD and test again, you will get out of range of VTX and or battery before you failsafe. :)
@@rolisaenz Sure. I have the avio set for rssi dbm and LQ. I do have to be careful not to fly out of observers sight. Don't want to gain that unwanted attention :)
@@NickBurnsFPV lol, maybe the cactus or bushes will object hahaha.
@@NickBurnsFPV you might end up landing on the moon if not careful :))
Idk if I will switch I’m not one for flying too far away . But man the way you bind it makes it worth it for me
I mean its the fastest protocoll and even if you dont fly far away maybe you want to always have a solid link?
Can't wait for the lite module! 😬
So looking forward to this honestly. I have been trying to put up with xm and xm+ but the fact that this should work with my radio no problem is pretty darn exciting. It would be SO amazing if someone could bundle this into a multiprotocol module!... lol
As much as anything I’m into those little ceramic antennas. So nice for building.
Nick, I have a question. I seem to have the most trouble with my video signal, not my control link. I have a stone house and can’t fly around to the other side without video cutting out. Even my quads with 200mW vtx fail. Do you have any experience with ground stations? I’m trying to find some way to fly around my whole yard (I have tried new antennas). Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks in advance :)
have you tried sitting on your rooftop?
or any place higher?
Hi all, happymodel have just released the ExpressLRS lite board for the Jumper T-Lite. I bought one on Aliexpress.
Need a Tango 2 style radio with it. ;)
But honestly not sure what’s wrong with D8 for whoops and CRSF for Toothpicks or micros. Works really well as long as you have an MPM radio. If you’re new to the hobby I can see why this might be appealing but I’m gonna be a laggard on this one.
D8 spi rx have very bad range and crossfire is expensive af
@@ValFPV I’ve never had an issue with D8 on whoops. And for other CRSF works great.
Crossfire is good, but:
1. It's still big for mircos.
2. Only TBS developing it
3. Not OpenTX friendly.
If it's not open project then people not interested for developing it.
Opposite of it all Open source projects. That's why FrSky kick everyone on the balls 4 years ago with cheap, reliable radios with OpenTX.
@@pksteffen Bro, did you even read what I said? I said crsf is too expensive, not that it doesn't work well
Also, do your whoops use spi receivers? Because many people (including me) have found the range of those to be insufficient.
@@ValFPV yes SPI on whoops. I wish cost was the only concern. Reserving judgment on this for now bro. 😎
I trust u on micros what ever u say mate🥰
excited times ahead for the time whoop crew
Would certainly be interested in FCs with the ceramic antenna built in. That bloody non-standard stupid long antenna on the Moblite board is annoying as all hell
Wow...this is amazing. I get fail safes at barely 50' with the SPI receiver, but that is in my neighborhood with wifi at each house. An AIO with 200mw video feed and built in LRS would be perfect!!!
Would like to see the same range test with dBm and LQ, RSSI doesn't say much on ELRS.
Lol, that's what i just posted :)
I welcome the ELRS future!
Great vid, what is the range difference between Ep1 en ep2. I would gues bigger antenna bigger range...
The absolute range, I can't say. I presume the ep2 would be about 20% less than ep1.
While I appreciate Kaijo video he made about the set up. The video is very fast and not in actual steps. Like backing up your models in OpenTX etc...And if you never delt with OpenTX & never drop files on a SD card before? It can be a little confusing! I already got the Happy model 2.4 module and two EP1 receivers..
I spent hours on my Radiomaster tx16s last night and it's still showing a firmware warning on the radio when powered up. I haven't even got as far as updating firmware on the Happy model 2.4g module yet! Much less binding any of my EP1 receivers through Wifi or Betaflight passthrough. But I'm very excited about this protocol. And cant wait to see its true potential. I'm really curious about how fast the latency difference vs Tracer which I been flying around for a while. And you can truly tell the difference between Tracer and normal Crossfire receiver. Hopefully I can get everything sorted on ERLS so I can fly it!
Come to the ELRS discord for help
There are more lengthy videos on updating opentx. We can slow down the video with the gear icon in the youtube play window, that might also help. And as DeltaGeek mentioned there is the ELRS discord, I hear its a very good place with a level headed community.
@@NickBurnsFPV Awesome Nick thanks for the info. I'm level headed most of the time if my wife & kids are not yelling at me. I'm already on multiple communities on discord so that's great to know. I expect that many more members will be releasing videos on ELRS
Ps : Wezely V has been helping me out a little!
lite module, please!
Dumb question: you used an external module on your T-Lite?!?
Thanks!
I'd love to be able to use the tango2 internal tx to bind to 918mhz receivers... I doubt tbs will ever be opened to that.
A slim version isn't out yet, both 900mhz and 2.4ghz are larger modules that would natively fit the smaller radios.
Always interesting 👍👍
Xt-xinte lists the F4 ELRS board already. Personally I'm waiting for the programmer to do the conversion on my R9. UAVtech has shown very impressive specs for it, the signal consistency is awesome, be it about the packet delivery or the latency. I hope we get T-lite a 5 in 1 or even plain ELRS module to replace the 4 in 1, I have zero problems moving to open source asap.
The rssi doesn't really represent the signal strength, it's also possible that it just isn't calibrated or failsafes at a different point (frsky XM+ for example failsafes at 65 rssi)
Hey Nick, have you tried scaling the RSSI in Betaflight? I had to do it for both of my R9 receivers because the Betaflight RSSI reading was always way lower than my controller RSSI reading. They are the settings rssi_scale and rssi_offset in the CLI. Something about still having seeming perfect RX connection at 0 RSSI seems just a *bit* off to me.
Pretty freaking excited, just started the process of installing my 2.4 g on my jumper t-lite!
Can’t wait till I’m done 2:15am now have to stop 😩😩😩 for now !
Yes sir. I am told the production version of the pcb that goes inside the radio has labled connectors. Do you have those labels on yours?
@@NickBurnsFPV yes it does , and I’m finally all updated and in the process of binding, really looking forward to my first “long” range flight !!
I can get the wifi to Link to my Ep1 but it won't take me to update site ? Sorry to bother you but any ideas ?
I'm trying to figure out the command promp thing you did ?
@@rk-rc6045 If your on a windows computer, in the search bar type "cmd". The black window should appear on screen then type "ping 10.0.0.1" if your ep1 and computer are both connected then we will see what I have in the video.
Thank you ! Everything is updated and bound ! Tomorrow we fly far away !?! Really appreciate the help and all the time you put in for our benefit ! Have a great summer !
So I'm confused and this might be a stupid question, but is this a receiver to use instead of the XM+ receiver, or something to add to the XM+ or other receiver? Because I for one am fed up with the new XM+ and other frysky receivers!
This is a standalone control link. We need both the RX and TX.
What is your opinion if you were to use ExpressLrs to upgrade a Eachine Novice IV rtf kit. using the TX12 controller.. I am trying to upgrade mine. This is all so new to me- but I want better everything with my drone.. Right now I can only fly a distance of a soccer field before the video cuts out.. maybe still set at only 25 mhz?
To get more video range we certainly need our vtx at a higher mw. Sounds like we need to do that first.
what are the transmitter options? I have an x-lite. Do you think the x-lite multiprotocol modules will be able to be updated to use this protocol?
yes, Betafpv just launched their nano module for elrs. I have no information on the multiprotocol module updating to include this protocol. I believe it will require new hardware.
hey express lrs slim is out on aliexpress
ELRS looks great ...⚡.Lots of exciting stuff recently...went Ghost myself...OTA updates and binding being a non-issue...the little Zepto is so small I have to make sure the ceiling fans are off in the room when I open the bag...lol...but probably not quite the range that 900mhz ELRS will be capable of..but..I have no plans to circumnavigate the globe any time soon so 30 or 40 km will do I suppose...lol...
lol, one of the funniest comments I have read in a while, and not just a joke.
Which of the Happymodel Expresslrs systems would give better penetration in an urban environment? 2.4ghz or 900mhz? I never fly far but do fly around and in buildings.
As you might guess I don't have experience flying in bandos or urban. From what I have read 900mhz has better range and therefore should have better penetration.
Nick, I have a question. I have purchased the HappyModel TX24 module and three quads with the EP2 RX . I updated my Jumper T12 Pro to the latest version of open tx. created a model and turned on the external module and set the model to CRSF and used the Express LRS tool to create a LUA script, and moved it into the tools folder on the SD card. The module lights up in red, When I attempt to load the script, it freezes with Loading ???/? displayed and will not get past it. It also locks the radio to where I can only use the model created and will not let me change models until restart Do you have any ideas? I also set the baud rate to the lowest setting, and it refuses to load the script!
In the model file is the internal Rx disabled?
@@NickBurnsFPV Thanks for the response Nick. Another gentleman suggested that I downgrade the LUA script from 2.0 to 1.1.2. I told him that many TH-camrs instructed people to use the lastest version of the build. I had the Express LRS Configurator 1.3.2 and was downloading release 2.0 as per many peoples instructions. The script never would load. I downloaded an older version of the release 1.1.2. I'll be damned it worked. I do not realize why the configurator is still 1.3.2 and the latest release is 2.0. No matter, it is working great now!
@@parker1ray lol. sorry I am not laughing at you, but this hobby. Some things don't make sense and we have to beat our head in to finally stumble onto a solution. Good you got it sorted out, I suspect this is a logical explanation, but with the versioning being so different its hard to see.
A question regarding the Slim Module bay of taranis x-lite, jumper t-lite and tbs tango 2:
Are the all the same and compatible - say for 4in1 modules?
At banggood there is a new ExpressLRS slim module for jumper t-lite and i am curious if that also works on my taranis x-lite or x9d lite
I am not certain the t-lite external bay is the same as x-lite or tango 2. It would be silly to have some custom pin out, but its possible its non-standard.
Amazing to see how far things have come in just a few years, sold most of my FPV gear early last year at the height of the pandemic, plan on getting back into it again once prices settle down. ExpressLRS looks incredible, what radio's are suitable for it though, that seems to be a little talked about part of getting it up and running.
Right now we need a radio that can take a standard size tx module and open tx on the radio.
@@NickBurnsFPV Are any manufacturers working on a radio for expresslrs? Something that supports 2.4g and 900mhz out of the box would be ideal, I know there's the likes of the tango 2 now, but after installing a module for expresslrs, your basically making the crossfire redundant as its inferior to what expresslrs can do.
@@Kaarzah I am not aware of a manufacture working on a radio with expresslrs inside. They could be, but I haven't heard about it.
@@NickBurnsFPV Shame, a 2.4g radio with expresslrs and a module bay for a 900mhz module would be perfect.
@@Kaarzah It could come, this is pretty new to the market. Although developing a new mold and putting together a radio is a time intensive development. RaceDayQuads started developing a radio over a year ago, we have not see it come to market...likely won't at this point. :(
Very cool!! I'm happy with D8 range haha, since I don't fly open prop quads it's no big deal as long as I got 100m I'm a happy man :)
Yes, range isn't an issue for some of us. I wonder if we will continue to see frsky d8 mode on micros if happymodel and eventually betafpv are going ExpressLRS. I don't know anything, but it would make sense.
@@NickBurnsFPV Yeah I think if they moved away from D8 that would just be the nail in the coffin for me and the hobbie haha. But it would make sense if they went that way mate.
Nice work. What about the other receivers ?
Other receivers?
@nickburns Can you explain 2.4ghz vs 900mhz (does the video system you are running, say for instance dji hd, impact which you should opt for, or the country you are in etc.)? Thx
No the video has no bearing. 2.4ghz vs 900mhz: 900mhz will have more range but isn't legal in all countries and countries it is legal may require a license of some sort. 2.4ghz is more universal and doesn't require a special license.
Nick Burns thank you! And is latency similar/the same on both?
@@Ricpow80AkaNagamooto yes, I would say only the most elite of fpv pilots could feel any difference.
@@NickBurnsFPV thank you! After reading this I have just ordered the happymodel elrs micro tx and two of the rxs that come with the ceramic antenna to try with it! Hopefully, the ceramic antenna version gives good range and connection in high multipath environments too.
@@NickBurnsFPV thank you - ordered a happy model elrs tx and a couple of the ceramic antenna rxs!
Nick.. Would you be able to show a complete setup on your radio? You me0ntioned that its already programmed.. if so.. what exactly do you need to update on your radio?.. most videos show all aspects from building to programming... could you show with this hardware.. Tahnk your sir... Always love your vids.. Take care...
Biiiig + for me is the price.. Half the price for a receiver compared to the ghost or tracer systems is perfect. However, if this makes tbs lower the price of there tracer receiver, I might choose that system instead
hey nick.big fan.i have a question.can i install an expresslrs rx to and existing frsky AIO whoop/ghoothpick fc/board.via uart i presume.is it a straight forward thing like adding any rx.or???i want to add Elrs to my 2s crux 3
Yes, we can as long as we have an rx and tx of the same number free to use. then we disable the spi rx in the betaflight configuration.
And again you've cost me money Mr burns, but I can see me loving this, is there a stable update then yet. Iv just ordered the tlite elrs nano and an ep1 receiver,,, let's enjoy the future
lol sorry :) Well I can't say its stable, or really unstable. I think the performance of ExpressLRS is currently there and working. As more and more use it the confidence in its reliability in a host of flight situations will build. As to the current software it has been working as expected for me on a nightly version of OpenTX. Will there be updates, certainly, will we "have to have them"....I can't weigh in on that, its to hard to tell what might be discovered...negative or positive.
Just a question of time until we see transmitters with 2.4 ExLrs builtin.
I hope the multi module folks look to work with expresslrs and do just this as well. It would be great. But likely require us users to make another purchase.
Can ELRS ep2 be soldered/added to a CrazybeeF4FR v2.0 FC that already has internal Frsky Rx?
yes I believe so. I would use tx2 and rx2 to wire it up.
@@NickBurnsFPV Awesome, many thanks for your help
Still waiting for a crossfire integrated whoop board. I run crossfire on my 2s whoops, and Eachine offers it on the 1s with a separate receiver, but it would be nice to get one integrated. Interesting stuff though, I look forward to more videos.
I would suspect that is a long way from today. To my knowledge TBS or Immersion aren't partnering with companies that make AIO, if they make their own I would the cost to start being a barrier for them.
@@NickBurnsFPV Yea, I figured, at least some of the new boards have direct solder pads for crossfire.
Isn't Nick gonna get in trouble with the FAA for this video?
Hey nick, i picked up a namelessrc aio412t. Watched your video on it. Informative as always. You had mentioned to not solder the motor wires to the pinholes but to use the pads. Is there a reason for this? What difference would it make? If any?
current flow and ease to solder. Soldering to the pins can be a mess.
@@NickBurnsFPV Thanks nick big help. Appreciate information. Also picked up a jumper t-lite. Any help on navigating it would be great. Thank again
@@mokron1015 I can sure try to help. What sort of items can I help with?
@@NickBurnsFPV i basic set up. Just so i can get in the air. Are there download able set ups. Just really unsure of what info/vid will be helpful. Not to mention i use flysky receivers. So thats no help. Most setups are frsky.
@@NickBurnsFPV also is it internal or external? The paperwork is way different an doesn't give enough details. Zero help there. Lol your help is always appreciated.
Amazing thanks nick 👍
By the way, happymodel just released a 5in1 board with ELRS spi receiver onboard - yeah!
Yes, that is pretty exciting.
Gday Nick, banggers has 2.4ghz on preorder at the moment but selling fast, do you think its worth getting for micros? the software flashing for elrs is a bit of an ordeal if your not great with that sort of thing (like mysel) lol, that's the only thing that I'm concerned about, do you think the software will get more user friendly in time, awsome review mate.👍🛸
We don't have to flash the rx or tx, the benefit of flashing is to get 500hz refresh rate. Likely only those extreme racers will desire that.
I soldered thumb cam to my moblite7. Works fine. Can I solder on top of the same pads this elrs (ep2 2,4)? Or is it too much? Will i burn something or it won't have enough power?
Its not recommended to double solder to any one pad, will it burn or damage...maybe we just don't do that when we can avoid it. Normally if we overload the 5v regulator what happens is the flight controller resets, or we get a component brownout.
@@NickBurnsFPV damn it 😔 Well thanks for the advice. I will follow it.
It is hard to imagine 900 milli Hertz range.
Well, in your last video I complained that everything was the same; nice to see a "breakthrough" with respect to "range-per-gram" ....this (could) be the next biggie in micros...if the reliability is there and we can somehow get it well-integrated with ...maybe... a lightweight Fatshark HD system (in addition to their analogue link with good video).
I don't know if we really need to have it integrated. The EP2 RX weighs 1/2gram with short wiring maybe adding another 1/4gram. I don't think we will see an AIO with vtx, rx, fc and esc that can support 2s, in the short run. I think the AIO will likely have to drop some component for 2s. We will certainly see a 2.4ghz 1s aio with vtx,rx, fc, and esc, but we will likely have to add a regulator to get to 7v for shark byte. Really, anything is possible with the right partnerships.
Ya what !!! So cool.
I ordered a slim nuclear module 2.4ghz should be here tomorrow
TLDR: which went further? or both went the same?
Can tbs tango 2 bind with this 900mhz aio with some firmware update?....will 2.4ghz module be fitted to tango 2 ???
D8 wouldn’t die if FrSky would had supported it in their newer transmitters. D16 wouldn’t die if they wouldn’t have gone the Access and V2 route. D16 only exists because of Jumper/Radiomaster/etc.
Likely Correct, I do think companies like happymodel and betafpv would have moved away from it still with expresslrs being opensource and solving likely the number 1 complaint on their products....rc link range.
Noob question if I want lrs what do I look for? I only know xfire a bit. So how do I know if I’m getting a drone that supports lrs? Sorry if the question doesn’t make sense
typically the drone will have a receiver option to select when purchased. If it has ExpressLRS or ELRS that is what you would be looking for.
@@NickBurnsFPV ok, so the rx will be named similarly? Sorry, I’m new. I’ve seen enough to recognize xfire and frsky for example but not so much the others as I’m not familiar. Thank you, don’t see too much lrs I guess
@@Cons2911 Yes, its pretty new. The last two months and now we are starting to see the option when we buy quads.
@@NickBurnsFPV I see. I’ll keep an eye out then. Being new, it’s just too many choices out there. Thank you
Not trying to get you in trouble but I feel you should know the FAA rules correctly. Having spotters down the path does not count for LOS. LOS is from your point of transmission and your spotter must be there too! Be careful, FAA knows little about the hobby.
Wonderful controller project but you can not forget bn880 support and barometer included... In other case the project will loose sense. 2.4 ghz is very popular
what is bn880? They do have 2.4ghz versions, for some reason 900mhz came first.
can you do a 900mhz penetration test? nobody tried to create a video about it.
Making your own receivers?
Yep, surprising, some have that knowledge and skill set.
Thanks Nick
Holy crap to that AIO 900mhz where can I buy that?
I have links to the products in the video description. You might be more interested in the 2.4ghz version as its more legal to use in most locations.