Once when I was in the emergency room (after having cut my thumb badly in the kitchen) the guy on the next table over was a career machinist. He was clearing chips from a mill in a way he had done a thousand times before... but that was the one time he didn't get away with it. And therein lies the lesson: you may get away with something a thousand times, but it only takes once. Fortunately he only lost the nail and a shaving of bone, not the whole finger. Me, I'll keep using sacrificial things like chip brushes. My fingers don't go anywhere near the work, the tool, the chuck when anything is moving.
As an old machinist with 10 digits still intact I cringed when you checked your surface finish with the spindle still running. That would be number one on the “Never do this” list. Right up there with checking for a sharp edge on a spinning part. The cutter will take no prisoners. In a flash your fingers will be gone. Yeah yeah Safty Police and all that. When leaning to fly a plane my instructor said to me. There are old pilots and bold pilots, but no old bold pilots. Stop your spindle when you hand leaves the feed wheel 😀 I agree with the others that’s only cutting on one or two inserts. That should be obvious on the inserts themselves. Only one or two will show any signs of ware. Perhaps a dial indicator on the inserts to measure their location.
I too cringed and he didn't do it once but three times. The last time i thought he was going to be bitten big time and lose two or three fingers at once, he would not have lost just the tips of his fingers but the whole lot as they were dragged into the cutters. And don't forget there as six of the greedy little bastards not just one!
When I was an apprentice if I got caught doing that the tradesman would have torn me a new anus with his boot no questions asked. Roling your an apprentice, Don't make me come over there :)
I've been hit on the fingers a few times. It actually doesn't hurt as much as you might think. But I wouldn't like to get caught between the chuck jaws and something else. Or loose a chuck of flesh to the milling insets I'll be careful, I promise.
The other big one is V belt pulleys or Leed / Feed Change gears. Never use a lathe without a guard on the change gears. They are like a meat grinder and will grab anything that goes near including you clothes. If you don't have a guard make one. V belts pulleys will grab you and whip your finger around the pulley. I know you have exposed pulleys, my 80 year old lathe does too but my hands never go anywhere near them when they are running. When I'm changing the feed gears the power plug is out and hanging where I can see it. I don't want to harp on about this. If you learn one thing from your TH-cam buddies this should be it. You won't loose a chunk or get a cut. It will hack your finger off or crush it beyond repair. We don't want to be calling you Stumpy :) I'm still enjoying your videos and your commentary so keep it up. I'm up to the editing stage with my first video on a quad bike repair. Man that is as time consuming as the actual job.
Sounds like one or two inserts are doing all the work. Would have liked to see you use a clock to check insert heights. I would think you could get a better finish with the fly cutter and a very sharp well honed edge on a decent piece of HSS than with the face mill.
rM, No need to apologize for a minimal budget and that resulting in import tools. We would all like to have a tool chest full of Sterratt and Brown and Sharp equipment but that’s not possible for the bulk of us. I have many Banggood products in my shop that have gotten decent reviews simply because I can’t afford high end stuff for a hobby shop. Keep your hopes up for that mill. One day it will be in your shop and we will have the joy of watching you go through your paces with it.
Glad the test run of the face mill had a happy ending. I love the face mills with carbide inserts. I have one which uses 4 inserts. 1 1/2in dia (3.8 cm). I was not sure if this would be too big for my milling machine, but it runs so smooth I could have purchased e.g., 2in dia ( 5.1cm). This is a good addition to your tool temple. Dave.
I think it will work for you. They are balanced when running. The particular milling machine will just determine the maximum depth of cut. I am not in a hurry so I normally take light cuts such as .5mm. I bought a 3in dia boring head (7.6cm). This is too big if I attempted to use it at the max diameter. Dave.
@@Rolingmetal To me it has given result, work at 2000 rpm with a single insert and works quite well and how much I want to devastate use Apmt 1604 M2 inserts work super despite my milling machine is Chinese and very poor quality
There is a speed and feed issue here. Plus I'd take a deeper cut with the inserts. Either speed up rpms or reduce feed rate. Reason I say deeper depth of cut is because its not getting into the zone the carbide wants. Id be different if it was a single point tool taking spring passes
Agree with what you are saying here. Carbide needs a certain depth for them to work properly or they just rub (which it looks like to me is happening) because of the top edge engaging the material. I also believe that is why others saying to use aluminum inserts works better since they have a ground sharp edge vs the blunt edge of a standard insert for harder alloys/metal but this will decrease the life of the aluminum cutter. Reading on many insert manufacturers sites will show that too shallow of a cut with the wrong insert will cause uneven surface and rubbing to happen. I'M NOT a machinist and not claiming to know everything and only going off of what the insert manufacturers say/recommend, this is why when I get close to size but there is very little left to remove I go to HSS on my lathe or a traditional end mill for finish.
Very interesting, I have always trouble grinding a flycutter bit correctly, due to lack of experience, so using these cheap inserts on a milling cutter instead of a single point flycutter is intriguing.
I made a short follow-up video were I measure the height of the inserts and take a closer (macro) look at the the inserts. th-cam.com/video/tBmgfksN5sc/w-d-xo.html
Technically with the small piece of stock in the fixture only one is cutting at a time. If if was larger area then more would be at the same time during feed...
Hello , great video , that is a very nice addition to a lathes capabilities , i wonder since in a tide budjet if it would a solution to hold an hss cutter in a four jaw independent chuck slightly eccentric if that would do a good face mill , do you think it would work ? Would it be dangerous ? I have my wood lathe to be able to cut metal (mostly alumimium and plastics ) with a three jaw chuck and an compound table and a diy tool holder , its ok for now for what i need it for but i cant part anything but plastics cause it chatters and the compound table uses alot of space and i cant have tailstock support and since i need a four jaw chuck anyway i wonder if i can do some milling with it without having to buy mt2 tool holder .
More speed at the cutter and bigger cuts . If you’re going to continue to do this you need to lock out the feed and add a load of weight to the headstock . It’s going to destroy your feed screws .
You should make a third axis attachment since you don't have a mill. If you're worried about the complexity or something you could make flat ways to reduce that. It might be shitty but if it has a gibb you can learn to make it work, I'm sure. My little mill/ lathe combo has a bend in one of the threaded rods so it still has about .0125 mm of wobble in that axis even if I tighten it up to Incredible Hulk settings. I just deal with it. I love seeing people make much out of nothing or very little. I think it's awesome. BTW, I've never paid enough attention to know if you have any dial indicators.
Congratulations on receiving the face mill. Free is always the right price. I have the smaller 50mm with 4 cutters, but mine was not free....but maybe someday. To get a good finish with carbide, you need speed and pressure (DOC). Really enjoy the channel. Do you have a Patreon or Paypal account, for donations?
Found it amazing how good the finish was. But compared the Boehlerit i bought which yes costs probably 100x what this would cost it is not nice. As with that one i get a mirror finish (if my mill wouldn’t be crap probably without dents but.. )
They just used the nearest available washer to place under the bolt. A little bit of thought would have resulted in one a little thinner for more threads engaging.
Not bad I guess. I'd like to have one. I'll do all of my Banggood purchases through you if you'll give me links. btw, really appreciate the Allen Bradley throwback noise... very generous of you lol
When precision is more important then fun it gets harder to be impressed :) I'll check them with a test indicator. But the pointy bits all seem to have similar wear.
I have a 50mm face / shell mill from China but I bought inserts that are designed for aluminum. They are very sharp and I think they're uncoated. I get a mirror finish.
+1 on using aluminum inserts. I use them on stainless steel. Our cheap Chinese lathes and mills seriously don't have the balls to use standard carbide inserts correctly. I get an amazing finish using them. Tool insert life is not highly important to me.
Awesome review. The bolts on the wings,are to change them out should they become worn or damaged,I think ?. Has always I Liked,Shared,added to Playlists. All my best.
I believe the issue with the surface finish comes with not passing the workpiece the whole diameter of the cutter, the trail edge is the end of your cut, not the leading edge. Great video though love your stuff
I have the exact same cutter and my experience using it on my mill is consistent with your observation, bolt being too short to the surface finish. Not bad, but not great either. Thanks for sharing.
When you were talking about light shining through I assumed you meant either behind insert or below insert, when the head is placed vertically on a table. It sounded to me like one insert is slightly "ahead" of others. Like there was one distinct sound on each turn when you were advancing the cross slide. Is it possible that only one insert was cutting all along? Have you checked whether all of them are equally "protruding" to the side of the head (to use the technical term)? Non-machinist here, so take it or leave it :)
Between the insert and the pocket. I'll place on a piece of glass and check it all insert are scratching. But it looked to me all inserts were showing similar wear. (coating gone)
@@Rolingmetal I can't ever make the suggestion to shop there without the person giving me a disgusted and nervous look before asking something like "Why? Does sex lube make a good coolant or something?"
For all those that are saying it only cuts on one tooth, unless the spindle and adaptor are true the cutter never will be, I have yet to see a cutter from Sandvik, Kennametal, Iscar or Seco cut on all teeth except if the machine is new or near new.
Nice work RM, you really have the bug for a proper vertical "knee" mill. And so you are achieving it on the lathe in the interim. Good stuff. P.S. check your lens for lube oil :-)
Why not, they are better then my Banggood collets. But as far as I remember I only used an end mill once. And it wasn't a great success: th-cam.com/video/SBOdNKegaPU/w-d-xo.html
Luckily I hardly get any haters :) Some nasty comments, but those that go to far will get a shadow ban. Then they can leave as many nasty comment as they want :)
Going by the sound of the cut, you have at least one insert that is to high. The sound should be like a drum roll all even taps. Get out an indicator and check each insert.
Sounds like the inserts were cutting uneven. Use a sharpie and mark all of the cutting edges. Make a cut and see which ones no longer have sharpie on the edge. If any of them do not, it isn't cutting at all.
@@Rolingmetal Probably for the best. Probably not going to get a performance increase over the fly-cutter for such a light setup from the stand point of metal removal.. Try leaving every other insert out if chip load gets to high. For alum there are better inserts than the ones you have there. Just putting one of them in is often best for finish. Would still be better balanced that a fly-cutter and the extra mass of this cutter may dampen vibrations some.
You are right cam. I've tested them in a short follow-up video. And chucks were missing after only a few cuts. th-cam.com/video/tBmgfksN5sc/w-d-xo.html
duidelijk te horen dat slechts een plaatje snijdt. bij 600 toeren en 6 plaatsjes zou je die tik niet moeten horen. vandaar ook dat de finish niet optimaal is. haal er maar eens vijf uit en probeer opnieuw. za blijken dat het geluid hetzelfde is maar de finish beter wordt ik gebruik een grote vlakfrees met twee van de acht plaatjes als flycutter werkt goed.
Nice toy but should be used in a mill. the lathe is not quite rigid enough to get your mirror finish. The finish you did get is remarkable though in any event as I see it, good work!
@@Rolingmetal ja idd. Aardige platonische vrienden heb jij. Ik zou niet aimen voor een freesbankje maar eerder voor een privé jet nu je deze "opgaande lijn" te pakken hebt
First thing. Your machine is not ridged enough for that size shell mill neither is your work holding devise The inserts are not for aluminum that's why you didn't get a good finish. I use these cheep chineesium mills in my shop on small engine blocks and heads and get very good results. If your looking for less then .0005 tolerances buy a Sanvik
over cutting oil gesproken, ik gebruik vaak rapsoel van de aldi in duitsland, iets meer dan 1 euro per liter, smeert/koelt prima ruikt naar een belgisch frietkot, maar is in ieder geval niet giftig/schadelijk
@@Rolingmetal widia hoeft ook niet per se smering maar ooit maakt het wel verschil ik heb een kleine vlakfrees die geeft een perfect beeld, waarom mag joost weten ik heb em verstopt zodat mijn zoon er geen gekke dingen mee doet....
@@Rolingmetal Staggered that you are able to tolerate it! Nonetheless, live your videos. You fill an important niche - the guy with limited funds who is not too proud to make mistakes in front of a watching world. Brave and creative - keep up the good work and remember, 'If you're not Dutch, you're not much!'
I might alos try some of the inserts for aluminium at some point . They seem to be very sharp. follow-up video: th-cam.com/video/tBmgfksN5sc/w-d-xo.html
why didn't you run a tap in those threaded holes and also make sure the inserts set flat? Using a adj wrench to reef on them is just crazy - come on, you can do better than that. Even if the Chinese screwed it up, at least try and rectify the situation
You know, BANGGOOD has VFD's. If they're as great as everyone says, maybe they will send you one to REVIEW soon. Then you can violate the Allen Bradley drive with something metal and then beat it to death with a bat in a field. "Office space"? Movie style. Our ears will thank you.
Henry, Henry, you haven't been paying attention: th-cam.com/video/0FkWJbr4O1w/w-d-xo.html Around Christmas time it died with a flash and a bang! Probably my own fault because I disconnected the noisy fan. So I'm back where I started :)
I had already turned the noise off b4 u said dont touch the volume lol Like ave says good enough for the girls i go out with lol But really for 35 usd it aint bad for many operations.
I must have mentioned before that people at banggood must be so bloody stupid that it beggars belief!!! That probably still isn't stupid enough to keep sending crap all over the world that keeps getting rubbished by loads of youtubers! At least find the single good one that probably happened by mistake & send that one. It's unbelievable really
Go scrap that heap of junk you call a lathe and buy a crappy secondhand Chinese one, you will most likely get far better results, but a you are such a comedian, carry on its the old crappy lathe!
Only one point is cutting . It' a piece of shit. Might make a reasonable fishing sinker. Too light to be a door stop, too heavy to be a cuff link. Maybe throw it at a cop during the next violent demonstration. If you have an insect infestation use it to smash cockroaches in your kitchen.,......anything but machining. Bangood always screws you... it's right there in the name.
Congratulations on receiving the face mill. Free is always the right price. I have the smaller 50mm with 4 cutters, but mine was not free....but maybe someday. To get a good finish with carbide, you need speed and pressure (DOC). Really enjoy the channel. Do you have a Patreon or Paypal account, for donations?
You are right about that, and we dutchies love freestuff :) I Wonder why Banggood is still willing to send me free stuff. Last month I made 11 euro something in commission so I'm definitely not moving much stuff for them. Hopefully that new contact person that recently introduced himself will also be accommodating to my wishes :) You know, I don't think they ever watch my videos. Cause I doubt they have time for that.I have considered Patreon, and I might try it one day. But I really don't need the extra work that's needed for exclusive Patreon content. I do have a paypal.me account, I set it up years ago, but so far have never used it.
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“I am great and this video will be great” - too true! Another interesting and entertaining video RM!
Thank you :) follow-up video: th-cam.com/video/tBmgfksN5sc/w-d-xo.html
Keep up the good work!!! I'AM ROOTING FOR YOU GETTING A MILL!!!
Oh, I will get a mill. Even if I have to build it myself :)
Could you please check the runout of each insert? The sound it produces seems to me like only on insert is cutting.
Love your vids, keep em coming
You are not the first to ask that question. I guess I will have make a follow-up video :)
here you go: fth-cam.com/video/tBmgfksN5sc/w-d-xo.html
Once when I was in the emergency room (after having cut my thumb badly in the kitchen) the guy on the next table over was a career machinist. He was clearing chips from a mill in a way he had done a thousand times before... but that was the one time he didn't get away with it. And therein lies the lesson: you may get away with something a thousand times, but it only takes once. Fortunately he only lost the nail and a shaving of bone, not the whole finger. Me, I'll keep using sacrificial things like chip brushes. My fingers don't go anywhere near the work, the tool, the chuck when anything is moving.
The inserts are supposed to be only hand tightened, that’s why the wrench has only a little tab
8:32 never do that again if you want to have all fingers
Number one rule of a machine shop. Don't put your hands where you wouldn't put your pecker.
As an old machinist with 10 digits still intact I cringed when you checked your surface finish with the spindle still running.
That would be number one on the “Never do this” list. Right up there with checking for a sharp edge on a spinning part.
The cutter will take no prisoners. In a flash your fingers will be gone.
Yeah yeah Safty Police and all that.
When leaning to fly a plane my instructor said to me. There are old pilots and bold pilots, but no old bold pilots.
Stop your spindle when you hand leaves the feed wheel 😀
I agree with the others that’s only cutting on one or two inserts. That should be obvious on the inserts themselves.
Only one or two will show any signs of ware.
Perhaps a dial indicator on the inserts to measure their location.
I too cringed and he didn't do it once but three times. The last time i thought he was going to be bitten big time and lose two or three fingers at once, he would not have lost just the tips of his fingers but the whole lot as they were dragged into the cutters. And don't forget there as six of the greedy little bastards not just one!
When I was an apprentice if I got caught doing that the tradesman would have torn me a new anus with his boot no questions asked.
Roling your an apprentice, Don't make me come over there :)
I've been hit on the fingers a few times. It actually doesn't hurt as much as you might think.
But I wouldn't like to get caught between the chuck jaws and something else.
Or loose a chuck of flesh to the milling insets
I'll be careful, I promise.
The other big one is V belt pulleys or Leed / Feed Change gears.
Never use a lathe without a guard on the change gears. They are like a meat grinder and will grab anything that goes near including you clothes. If you don't have a guard make one.
V belts pulleys will grab you and whip your finger around the pulley. I know you have exposed pulleys, my 80 year old lathe does too but my hands never go anywhere near them when they are running. When I'm changing the feed gears the power plug is out and hanging where I can see it. I don't want to harp on about this. If you learn one thing from your TH-cam buddies this should be it. You won't loose a chunk or get a cut. It will hack your finger off or crush it beyond repair. We don't want to be calling you Stumpy :)
I'm still enjoying your videos and your commentary so keep it up.
I'm up to the editing stage with my first video on a quad bike repair. Man that is as time consuming as the actual job.
he might never need that fingers anyway....heheh...
yes i do this but I never stick my hand there when the spindle turns!!
I've had some bad stuff from Bangood and they do not give refunds easily
Sounds like one or two inserts are doing all the work. Would have liked to see you use a clock to check insert heights. I would think you could get a better finish with the fly cutter and a very sharp well honed edge on a decent piece of HSS than with the face mill.
fun before precision, but I will check them with an indicator.
I measure the insert hight in a follow-up video: th-cam.com/video/tBmgfksN5sc/w-d-xo.html
you can tell by eye its a least 4mm above centre height
rM,
No need to apologize for a minimal budget and that resulting in import tools. We would all like to have a tool chest full of Sterratt and Brown and Sharp equipment but that’s not possible for the bulk of us. I have many Banggood products in my shop that have gotten decent reviews simply because I can’t afford high end stuff for a hobby shop. Keep your hopes up for that mill. One day it will be in your shop and we will have the joy of watching you go through your paces with it.
I have no problem using cheap Chinese tools. I might even feel more comfortable with cheap tools. They are easy to blame:)
Glad the test run of the face mill had a happy ending.
I love the face mills with carbide inserts. I have one which uses 4 inserts. 1 1/2in dia (3.8 cm). I was not sure if this would be too big for my milling machine, but it runs so smooth I could have purchased e.g., 2in dia ( 5.1cm).
This is a good addition to your tool temple.
Dave.
Damn you're right! this one will be more then likely to big for a Chinese milling machine.
I think it will work for you. They are balanced when running. The particular milling machine will just determine the maximum depth of cut.
I am not in a hurry so I normally take light cuts such as .5mm.
I bought a 3in dia boring head (7.6cm). This is too big if I attempted to use it at the max diameter.
Dave.
I have been looking to buy one of these for a while. I'm glad you have done a review!
If you are more into fun then precision, I'm sure it will be a great toy.
@@Rolingmetal precision and tolerance's are guides for when someone else is putting the parts together.
I like how he asked what those tabs were for right as he put it in the bit
I have the same tool and I remove the inserts leave only one and leave finished like a mirror.
Greetings from Chile
I also try that near the end of the follow up video th-cam.com/video/tBmgfksN5sc/w-d-xo.html
@@Rolingmetal To me it has given result, work at 2000 rpm with a single insert and works quite well and how much I want to devastate use Apmt 1604 M2 inserts work super despite my milling machine is Chinese and very poor quality
greets from linares Chile
There is a speed and feed issue here. Plus I'd take a deeper cut with the inserts. Either speed up rpms or reduce feed rate.
Reason I say deeper depth of cut is because its not getting into the zone the carbide wants. Id be different if it was a single point tool taking spring passes
Not defending the cheap inserts because a high quality insert is bar none. Just saying..
Agree with what you are saying here. Carbide needs a certain depth for them to work properly or they just rub (which it looks like to me is happening) because of the top edge engaging the material. I also believe that is why others saying to use aluminum inserts works better since they have a ground sharp edge vs the blunt edge of a standard insert for harder alloys/metal but this will decrease the life of the aluminum cutter. Reading on many insert manufacturers sites will show that too shallow of a cut with the wrong insert will cause uneven surface and rubbing to happen. I'M NOT a machinist and not claiming to know everything and only going off of what the insert manufacturers say/recommend, this is why when I get close to size but there is very little left to remove I go to HSS on my lathe or a traditional end mill for finish.
Very interesting, I have always trouble grinding a flycutter bit correctly, due to lack of experience, so using these cheap inserts on a milling cutter instead of a single point flycutter is intriguing.
for me, itsure worked a whole lot better then fly-cutting
I made a short follow-up video were I measure the height of the inserts and take a closer (macro) look at the the inserts.
th-cam.com/video/tBmgfksN5sc/w-d-xo.html
Peter Robson.
It sounds like only one cutter is cutting the meterial.
I guess this one is for you: th-cam.com/video/tBmgfksN5sc/w-d-xo.html
Technically with the small piece of stock in the fixture only one is cutting at a time. If if was larger area then more would be at the same time during feed...
Not sure but I think the wings are removable so you can modify/grind flat if necessary, and they wont be in the way
Interesting though.
Hello , great video , that is a very nice addition to a lathes capabilities , i wonder since in a tide budjet if it would a solution to hold an hss cutter in a four jaw independent chuck slightly eccentric if that would do a good face mill , do you think it would work ? Would it be dangerous ? I have my wood lathe to be able to cut metal (mostly alumimium and plastics ) with a three jaw chuck and an compound table and a diy tool holder , its ok for now for what i need it for but i cant part anything but plastics cause it chatters and the compound table uses alot of space and i cant have tailstock support and since i need a four jaw chuck anyway i wonder if i can do some milling with it without having to buy mt2 tool holder .
1 cutter does the work - the rest are there for moral support. Or maybe it belongs to a labor union?
The wear on the on the inserts looks similar. So it's definitely not one insert that does all the work. But it night do most.
Lawl
tested it: th-cam.com/video/tBmgfksN5sc/w-d-xo.html
Milling work with a lathe. It's brilliant.
More speed at the cutter and bigger cuts . If you’re going to continue to do this you need to lock out the feed and add a load of weight to the headstock .
It’s going to destroy your feed screws .
You can hear 1 , maybe 2 inserts actually cutting at that depth and speed
there's not much height difference. Watch this one: th-cam.com/video/tBmgfksN5sc/w-d-xo.html
You should make a third axis attachment since you don't have a mill. If you're worried about the complexity or something you could make flat ways to reduce that. It might be shitty but if it has a gibb you can learn to make it work, I'm sure. My little mill/ lathe combo has a bend in one of the threaded rods so it still has about .0125 mm of wobble in that axis even if I tighten it up to Incredible Hulk settings. I just deal with it.
I love seeing people make much out of nothing or very little. I think it's awesome.
BTW, I've never paid enough attention to know if you have any dial indicators.
Congratulations on receiving the face mill. Free is always the right price. I have the smaller 50mm with 4 cutters, but mine was not free....but maybe someday. To get a good finish with carbide, you need speed and pressure (DOC). Really enjoy the channel. Do you have a Patreon or Paypal account, for donations?
Thank you, the speed calculator link is appreciated!
Found it amazing how good the finish was. But compared the Boehlerit i bought which yes costs probably 100x what this would cost it is not nice. As with that one i get a mirror finish (if my mill wouldn’t be crap probably without dents but.. )
G’day, the bolt with my eBay 50mm face mill was also too short maybe the Chinese have a 2 thread policy. Cheers Peter
They just used the nearest available washer to place under the bolt. A little bit of thought would have resulted in one a little thinner for more threads engaging.
Even if the made the washer a lot thinner I still wouldn't be happy with it. That's why I used a longer bolt and not a thinner washer.
@@Rolingmetal Understandable. Your bolt may be stronger as well...who knows what quality of material is in the bolts they use?
Not bad I guess. I'd like to have one. I'll do all of my Banggood purchases through you if you'll give me links. btw, really appreciate the Allen Bradley throwback noise... very generous of you lol
That's me, loving to tease the audience with vintage electronics noise :)
follow-up video: th-cam.com/video/tBmgfksN5sc/w-d-xo.html
I bought the exact same face mill. I was not impressed. I had the same problem with inserts not all being lined up on the same plane.
When precision is more important then fun it gets harder to be impressed :)
I'll check them with a test indicator. But the pointy bits all seem to have similar wear.
I have a 50mm face / shell mill from China but I bought inserts that are designed for aluminum. They are very sharp and I think they're uncoated. I get a mirror finish.
+1 on using aluminum inserts. I use them on stainless steel. Our cheap Chinese lathes and mills seriously don't have the balls to use standard carbide inserts correctly. I get an amazing finish using them. Tool insert life is not highly important to me.
Ok, so now will need to get me some aluminium inserts. Because the inserts that came with the mill are shit. th-cam.com/video/tBmgfksN5sc/w-d-xo.html
i'm pretty sure you are supposed to let the cutter go all way through and cut on the back side too
Yeah, not enough travel on the cross slide for that.
Awesome review. The bolts on the wings,are to change them out should they become worn or damaged,I think ?. Has always I Liked,Shared,added to Playlists.
All my best.
Thanks Bobby. Here's a follow-up video: th-cam.com/video/tBmgfksN5sc/w-d-xo.html
I liked the ThisOldTony reference
And I like the old Tony :)
I believe the issue with the surface finish comes with not passing the workpiece the whole diameter of the cutter, the trail edge is the end of your cut, not the leading edge. Great video though love your stuff
usually looks better you dont on most machines.
If you get a nice cross hatched pattern you know you spindle is square to the table. Mine sure isn't.
@@Rolingmetalis exactly right, but I find with low carbon it tends to just smear on back side in my trials.
I have the exact same cutter and my experience using it on my mill is consistent with your observation, bolt being too short to the surface finish. Not bad, but not great either. Thanks for sharing.
It's definitely not prefect but it was fun to use :)
When you were talking about light shining through I assumed you meant either behind insert or below insert, when the head is placed vertically on a table.
It sounded to me like one insert is slightly "ahead" of others. Like there was one distinct sound on each turn when you were advancing the cross slide.
Is it possible that only one insert was cutting all along? Have you checked whether all of them are equally "protruding" to the side of the head (to use the technical term)?
Non-machinist here, so take it or leave it :)
Agreed - sounded like a fly cutter to me....Would be interesting to inspect the insert tips for evenness of wear.
Between the insert and the pocket. I'll place on a piece of glass and check it all insert are scratching.
But it looked to me all inserts were showing similar wear. (coating gone)
@@Rolingmetal Could be just the sound.
Have you tried "dial it in", like this: th-cam.com/video/OcPJzR1-96o/w-d-xo.html
You should alinged the w/p with the help of dial guage.
Are you working with the center of the mill on the center of the workpiece? It seems to...
How can you say you have a platonic relationship with friends at a place with a name like Banggood?
I though it sounded ironic, don't over- think it. I say lots of stupid things :)
@@Rolingmetal
I can't ever make the suggestion to shop there without the person giving me a disgusted and nervous look before asking something like "Why? Does sex lube make a good coolant or something?"
Damn it, you beat me to it!
Just curious, can this kind of face mill be used on wood?
For all those that are saying it only cuts on one tooth, unless the spindle and adaptor are true the cutter never will be, I have yet to see a cutter from Sandvik, Kennametal, Iscar or Seco cut on all teeth except if the machine is new or near new.
They are only class M inserts so there will be some variation in the size of the insert. th-cam.com/video/tBmgfksN5sc/w-d-xo.html
Nice work RM, you really have the bug for a proper vertical "knee" mill. And so you are achieving it on the lathe in the interim. Good stuff. P.S. check your lens for lube oil :-)
You are right, about the mill and the lube :)
I bet you put end mills in a drill chuck too.
Why not, they are better then my Banggood collets.
But as far as I remember I only used an end mill once.
And it wasn't a great success: th-cam.com/video/SBOdNKegaPU/w-d-xo.html
Great calculator. Thanks. Your videos are awesome dude. Haters are jealous.
Luckily I hardly get any haters :) Some nasty comments, but those that go to far will get a shadow ban. Then they can leave as many nasty comment as they want :)
Going by the sound of the cut, you have at least one insert that is to high. The sound should be like a drum roll all even taps. Get out an indicator and check each insert.
Made this video for you :) th-cam.com/video/tBmgfksN5sc/w-d-xo.html
Sounds like the inserts were cutting uneven. Use a sharpie and mark all of the cutting edges. Make a cut and see which ones no longer have sharpie on the edge. If any of them do not, it isn't cutting at all.
Many have said that. have a look at the follow up video. th-cam.com/video/tBmgfksN5sc/w-d-xo.html
Clean up the insert seats with a stone before installing them, no more air gap.
That's what I was going to after making a photo. But then they were gone already :)
Did I hear chatter from the end mill or the lathe?
I've also found it better answer to give you a better surface finish
have someone else do it :)
You barely scratched the surface (pun intended) of what that cutter could do in a BT50 tool holder.
0.8 mm was the max I dared to scratch off.
@@Rolingmetal Probably for the best.
Probably not going to get a performance increase over the fly-cutter for such a light setup from the stand point of metal removal..
Try leaving every other insert out if chip load gets to high.
For alum there are better inserts than the ones you have there. Just putting one of them in is often best for finish. Would still be better balanced that a fly-cutter and the extra mass of this cutter may dampen vibrations some.
There is only 1 or two teeth cutting, that is clearly audible. Measure the height of your mounted plates
But will it cut Chinesium and Unobtainium?
I don't know, I'm a scraptonium kinda guy
G'Day RM, yep those inserts are poor quality. Should last and continue to give a good finish on many more cuts.
You are right cam. I've tested them in a short follow-up video. And chucks were missing after only a few cuts.
th-cam.com/video/tBmgfksN5sc/w-d-xo.html
duidelijk te horen dat slechts een plaatje snijdt.
bij 600 toeren en 6 plaatsjes zou je die tik niet moeten horen.
vandaar ook dat de finish niet optimaal is.
haal er maar eens vijf uit en probeer opnieuw.
za blijken dat het geluid hetzelfde is maar de finish beter wordt
ik gebruik een grote vlakfrees met twee van de acht plaatjes als flycutter werkt goed.
Toch zien de gebruikte snijplaatsje er allemaal min of meer gelijk uit. Ik zal binnenkort deze vlakfrees nogmaals testen.
getest: th-cam.com/video/tBmgfksN5sc/w-d-xo.html
Nice toy but should be used in a mill. the lathe is not quite rigid enough to get your mirror finish. The finish you did get is remarkable though in any event as I see it, good work!
You might be right on that one. I guess I could use a mill :)
Great video. Useful to know the fly cutter works well enough for the hobbyists
Thanks Gary. Hey! you are first, some people find this important, weirdly enough.
@@Rolingmetal Very Odd. I am sure you read all the comments regardless of where they are posted and each one is as valid as the others.
Succes! Eindelijk!
leuk speeltje :)
@@Rolingmetal ja idd. Aardige platonische vrienden heb jij. Ik zou niet aimen voor een freesbankje maar eerder voor een privé jet nu je deze "opgaande lijn" te pakken hebt
Try it with one insert and let me know the surface finish.
Here you go: th-cam.com/video/tBmgfksN5sc/w-d-xo.html (check near the end of the video)
First thing. Your machine is not ridged enough for that size shell mill neither is your work holding devise
The inserts are not for aluminum that's why you didn't get a good finish. I use these cheep chineesium mills in my shop on small engine blocks
and heads and get very good results. If your looking for less then .0005 tolerances buy a Sanvik
over cutting oil gesproken, ik gebruik vaak rapsoel van de aldi in duitsland, iets meer dan 1 euro per liter, smeert/koelt prima ruikt naar een belgisch frietkot, maar is in ieder geval niet giftig/schadelijk
Ik kan wel een nieuw potje gebruiken. I heb 1 jam pot met olie en die staat altijd ergens anders :) Niet echt het voorbeeld van efficiëntie.
@@Rolingmetal widia hoeft ook niet per se smering maar ooit maakt het wel verschil
ik heb een kleine vlakfrees die geeft een perfect beeld, waarom mag joost weten
ik heb em verstopt zodat mijn zoon er geen gekke dingen mee doet....
@@Rolingmetal ik heb trouwens nog gezocht maar ik heb een backplate voor jouw aansluiting
jammer ,zou je een hoop moeite bespaard hebben
Geen probleem, ik heb al een mooi stuk schroot gevonden :)
It does sound like only 1 cutter is doing it's thing.
Many have said that. have a look at the follow up video. th-cam.com/video/tBmgfksN5sc/w-d-xo.html
I am currently undergoing chemotherapy for VFD-induced ear cancer...but I really enjoy your videos nonetheless.
You are actually not the first one complaining about air cancer related to the old Allen Bradley. I guess Iwill be getting my ears checked tomorrow.
@@Rolingmetal Bradley will pay nice bill for that chemotherapy XD
@@Rolingmetal Staggered that you are able to tolerate it! Nonetheless, live your videos. You fill an important niche - the guy with limited funds who is not too proud to make mistakes in front of a watching world. Brave and creative - keep up the good work and remember, 'If you're not Dutch, you're not much!'
Thanks. It's not to bad for a short time. But I sometimes use earmuffs
follow-up video: th-cam.com/video/tBmgfksN5sc/w-d-xo.html
sounds like only one cutter blade cutting???
Many have said that. have a look at the follow up video. th-cam.com/video/tBmgfksN5sc/w-d-xo.html
Did I win the Free face mill cutter.
test een freesbank cutter op een antieke draaibank ik heb dezelfde op mijn freesbank en voor dat geld doet het heel goed
It sounds like the insert location is not even & only one is cutting.
Many have said that. have a look at the follow up video. th-cam.com/video/tBmgfksN5sc/w-d-xo.html
you are great and the video was great
Thank you, kind sir.
Can I have permission to play your VFD running thru a loudspeaker? It scares away the neighborhood cats
Sure, to terrorise the neighbourhood, and have fun :)
@Law-of Ohms...that is hilarious! Luv it.
Pointer/sharper inserts will give you better finishes with a face mill :)
I might alos try some of the inserts for aluminium at some point . They seem to be very sharp. follow-up video: th-cam.com/video/tBmgfksN5sc/w-d-xo.html
Hot tea or iced tea?
Hot, no sugar, milk or any of those hipster flavours.
@@Rolingmetal right on man! I'm with you there.
why didn't you run a tap in those threaded holes and also make sure the inserts set flat? Using a adj wrench to reef on them is just crazy - come on, you can do better than that. Even if the Chinese screwed it up, at least try and rectify the situation
It would be even cooler if it was in a milling machine..!!
That cheap cutter is way better than your old lathe.
You know, BANGGOOD has VFD's. If they're as great as everyone says, maybe they will send you one to REVIEW soon.
Then you can violate the Allen Bradley drive with something metal and then beat it to death with a bat in a field. "Office space"? Movie style. Our ears will thank you.
Henry, Henry, you haven't been paying attention: th-cam.com/video/0FkWJbr4O1w/w-d-xo.html Around Christmas time it died with a flash and a bang! Probably my own fault because I disconnected the noisy fan. So I'm back where I started :)
@@Rolingmetal Maybe a 'go fund me' page. I'd pay to see that VFD smashed to bits.
Someone suggested I should ask AVE to take it apart. Could be a fun video :)
@@Rolingmetalforgive me. I actually saw that video but wasn't very awake when I posted. And yes a destructive autopsy video would be terrific.
WD40 is NOT repeat NOT cutting oil! Use the proper cutting oils!
sc928porsche only on aluminum to prevent galding
I had already turned the noise off b4 u said dont touch the volume lol
Like ave says good enough for the girls i go out with lol
But really for 35 usd it aint bad for many operations.
It's at least 35 dollar of fun.
@@Rolingmetal I think its very nice.
Better inserts
would be be better.
Yeet another Upload
Yes. And next Sunday there will be another one because that marks the completion of 3 years of Rolingmetal.
follow-up video: th-cam.com/video/tBmgfksN5sc/w-d-xo.html
I must have mentioned before that people at banggood must be so bloody stupid that it beggars belief!!! That probably still isn't stupid enough to keep sending crap all over the world that keeps getting rubbished by loads of youtubers! At least find the single good one that probably happened by mistake & send that one. It's unbelievable really
who needs a third axiss? ftw :p
Use eyeprotection if you do not !
It did a good enough job , you will be happy with that
Vibration
Sure, it is an interrupted cut.
Another danger to himself
Go scrap that heap of junk you call a lathe and buy a crappy secondhand Chinese one, you will most likely get far better results, but a you are such a comedian, carry on its the old crappy lathe!
I allready have a Chinese lathe. But I like the old one better :)
Only one point is cutting . It' a piece of shit. Might make a reasonable fishing sinker. Too light to be a door stop, too heavy to be a cuff link. Maybe throw it at a cop during the next violent demonstration. If you have an insect infestation use it to smash cockroaches in your kitchen.,......anything but machining. Bangood always screws you... it's right there in the name.
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Congratulations on receiving the face mill. Free is always the right price. I have the smaller 50mm with 4 cutters, but mine was not free....but maybe someday. To get a good finish with carbide, you need speed and pressure (DOC). Really enjoy the channel. Do you have a Patreon or Paypal account, for donations?
You are right about that, and we dutchies love freestuff :)
I Wonder why Banggood is still willing to send me free stuff. Last month I made 11 euro something in commission so I'm definitely not moving much stuff for them. Hopefully that new contact person that recently introduced himself will also be accommodating to my wishes :) You know, I don't think they ever watch my videos. Cause I doubt they have time for that.I have considered Patreon, and I might try it one day. But I really don't need the extra work that's needed for exclusive Patreon content. I do have a paypal.me account, I set it up years ago, but so far have never used it.