Amy being in love with Laurie her entire life makes my heart ache... especially when she says she didn't want to be "the one he settled for".... also Laurie's realisation that the love he feels for Amy is different. 🥺🥺🥺 Laurie and Jo's friendship is just pure kinda love, and their friendship is irreplaceable. His love for Amy on the other hand is more passionate... the scene where he has to unbutton her so she can go off with Fred. His expression SAY IT ALL. 💕 If anything Jo being disappointed about writing and NY and then giving Laurie's proposal a second chance, felt more like Jo was the one settling for Laurie.
Jo and Laurie just don’t work. Jo didn’t want their relationship to change, and Laurie changed himself so that _maybe_ she’d love him. The scene where Laurie proposes is heartbreaking. She just doesn’t love him like that. Amy loved him romantically, and she was ready to build a future with him. She helps him be a better person and he encourages her passions. They work and it’s just perfect.
I think Laurie's love for Jo was teenage love and he thought she would be his forever. But Laurie and Amy's love is more mature and true love. Their love is where both people love each other, not just a one sided love
I think Amy was healthy for Laurie, she called him out on his bs, and inspired him at the same time. Meanwhile, he and Jo had a kinship that grew into puppy love and infatuation for Laurie. Jo loved the love Laurie gave her but couldn’t reciprocate it to the same depth as he could. The book and every cinematic iteration of this story is worth watching because you really get to know the characters’ complexities. It’ll always be a favorite. It just really hurts when Beth dies. Every time.
His proposal scene to Amy was gut wrenching. That face she makes. I love Florence. I hate how she always gets hated on for various things when she had the most responsibility on her shoulders. But god that scene. And her face 😭😭😭😭. She’s so iconic. The I’d be respected if I couldn’t be loved. She was always my favorite. But that face and you’re being mean and then confesses her love for him leaving him just shocked. And it’s like 😩😩😭😭😭
Jo needed someone who could tell her the things as they were, not someone to be always supporting her even when she was mistaken. Laurie needed the exact same thing, that's why they would never work as a couple.
I wish they would have had a scene with just Laurie. And he takes off the ring. And if they stayed true to the book, if he pulled out a little white rose Amy gave him and put that in his lapel. That would have been chefs kiss
Thanks for a good edition! It's a pity that Laurie's love for Jo is one-sided, regrettable. They loved each other's other half just as friendship. While Amy&Laurie's love is more mtual and passionate. So their love is valuable and beautiful.
I always felt Jo never loved herself to love another, and she felt undeserving of love..as she grew, she acknowledged her love that always existed for Laurie, and Laurie loved Amy because she loved him. Laurie just transferred his love to Amy from Jo, and in spite of it all, she was second, but we always lose the first, so it's forever. I have been Amy and Jo. This was so beautiful to watch and cry to..
Little women always troubled me. I understand Jo pov, and I understand Amy's pov and Lauries being heartbroken over Jo....but I can't shake the feeling that he settled for Amy whic is not fair for her either. But I also dont think he would have found true happiness if he wasnt part of the March's family like he said....one way or another. I just...dont think is very healthy.
It is not worth it at all to love ❤️ someone to that level, someone who doesn't love you, Some women if you love them they act Rude - and once you start to act rude also - her rude it will start to fade up Rude woman vs Rude man = Respect.
Ok well, I'm crying. I'm team Jo and Laurie. I think she was never interested in marriage and romance, and maybe somewhere on the aro/ace spectrum. So when he proposed to her, she knew she didn't want to be a wife and she knew she didn't have feelings for him in the same way he did. So she said no, because she felt she couldn't give him what he truly wanted and needed - romantic/sexual passion. But she always loved Laurie. You can see it in everything she does. They are best friends. They are each other's other half. And you can see in everything he does, he loves Jo. And eventually, she was so lonely without him and she missed him so that she realized, maybe I can be a wife after all, if he still really wants me to, because I love Laurie and always will. But by then, he had already moved on to Amy. And Amy is amazing, they are good friends and you can see that they have that romantic/sexual passion (him unbuttoning her frock, her drawing him, their kiss). But for me, they just can't match up to Jo and Laurie's relationship. And it breaks my heart that they don't end up together because I think they both would have been so happy together.
Also, Amy criticizes and pushes Laurie to work hard and make something of himself in his career. Freidrich criticizes Jo's writing and pushes her in her career. Laurie and Amy have always liked being a part of elegant society and that level of social standing. Friedrich and Jo have always been alright being poor artists. They match in these ways. And suddenly, you realize that marriage in this society is an economic proposal. To me, this is the ultimate takeaway from this movie. And to me, it feels tragic.
Things were easier and happier before anyone had to be adults and worry about money and getting married. You can see the switch when the color of the movie goes from golden to bluer, colder tones. Perhaps it's realistic. But to me, it's so sad.
I respectfully disagree. I believe that neither of them loved each other romantically(Laurie admits that his love for jo was different than what he feels with Amy), while Laurie and Amy did.
I disagree, Jo only started thinking about laurie in a romantic way bc she felt alone, and Laurie loved Jo in the same way we loved and idealized our first love, ignoring how incompatible they are and more based on idealization, Amy and Laurie are the ling of relationship that works, where both match, both desire their partnerts and both decide to work on eachother
I’ve ALWAYS liked the pairing of Amy with Laurie. However I’ve usually felt in the minority with that take. Lots of agreement in the comments here though. I think that’s down to this specific version of Little Women.. particularly how much Florence Pugh brings to her role. I guess I’m predisposed to like her Amy because I seem to like her in everything. Timothee Chalamet won me over in this movie also. I thought I was going to haaate him as Laurie. Actually, hearing he was cast made me want to skip it. And I had the same gripe that I always have with watching TC in stuff. It’s just that the guy doesn’t look a day over 14 years old. Yes, it’s VERY superficial but it bugs me nevertheless. And tbh, it was still annoying in this movie. But he somehow charmed me anyway (tho he’s nowhere near as terrific as Florence)
its quite obvious, when amy says" i was always second.." why she "chose" laurie to love: Because he was in love with Jo.. she instinctively got in love with the man that repeated the same motive her family made her feel as "a second choice" ... she might not even payed attention to him if there was no Jo involved - on the other hand laurie loved the way she adored him where jo almost treat him as equal/ friend -:- so in one case with jo, laurie was attracted by her personality with big chances the relationship not to have worked while with amy her support and similar view of life woud work better - still I believe that the pure love was between Jo and Laurie because they loved each other for who they were / despite the fact that a love relationship might have been hard to survive as in a love relationship things get more complicated/ they loved and admired each other and in a world with no social expectations they might have worked as a couple, unfortunately such a world doesnt exist - so amy and laurie is a more harmonised couple that can adapt the social life demanded specialy at those years... 🌗❤️🌗
They didn’t love each other for who they were tho, Laurie essentially changed who he was or tried to change for Jo to love him back and she still couldn’t. As a writer myself I found Jo’s love for Laurie to be a bit narcissistic. She only loved the way he loved her, but she didn’t love him the same. That isn’t pure true love, that is simply an infatuation teenagers and young adults have until they realize love is much more simpler and needs to be two-sided. Amy’s love for Laurie was similar to Laurie’s love for Jo, it was an infatuation for a “maybe future”. When she sees Laurie for who he is Amy’s love grew into an almost eternal love, she could never stop because she loved him for he was. Laurie (without his Jo blinders) was finally able to see the woman Amy was and realized that was what he wanted all along. Someone who would put him first and encourage his greatness. Even at the end Jo was going to settle for marriage with Laurie because she felt like a failure. He was her second choice to her dream as a writer.
@@Spicytamale02 I have to disagree with you here. I think from just the movie it could be easy to misinterpret, but in the books it is clear that Laurie was always most his self when he was with Jo (a part of the problem between them, as she always loved him too much (not romantically definitely, but deeply to be sure) and gave into his whims too easily). Amy helped him grow to be sure, but so did Jo. In fact, Laurie himself says that it was Jo who made him into man, and it was Jo who replied that Amy and Marmee are the ones that should receive the credit, but Laurie just settled it by saying it was all three of them. Also, Jo's love for him was hardly narcissistic. Everybody knows the famous "I've loved you since I've know you - couldn't help it..." line, but the full version in the books actually continues with "you've always been so good to me". Jo adores Laurie, and that never changes, it just was not romantic on her part. She was wrong to consider marrying Laurie out of lonliness, but she's also just human. I do agree, however, that Amy loved Laurie a lot, which is why sometimes I think she deserved better.
@@rauraaurora6331 I was talking about the movie not the book, but even in the book Laurie had two different loves for both Jo & Amy. Jo turned him into a man bc she broke his heart. Not only that but because she forced him to grow up after she rejected him. It could also mean that he felt lust & love for her therefore he changed from a prepubescent boy to a man w/ an erection. There are many interpretations from that line you chose. In reality though, Jo was right because it was Amy who pushed Laurie to being the best version of himself and to grow into the traditional sense of “man” by getting him to work for his grandfather. Laurie’s love for Jo was the kind of love we all wanted in high school, it’s puppy love for a best friend who you shared everything with and told everything to. But his connection w/ Amy was more adult, desire, & they were similar to one another in every aspect other than gender. It was like fate.
@@Spicytamale02 Thank you for replying, I know the original comment was made a year ago, so I didn't expect it haha. The exchange I was referencing though happens in the sequels years after both have married (and I do apologize for quoting the books while you were referencing the movie, that was my misunderstanding, but for clarification's sake I will continue), goes like this: Jo says "...any lovely woman may, using her gentle influence to lift and hold them above the coarse, rough things of life, and keep them (the boys in her school) gentlemen in the best sense of the fine old word", with Laurie replying, "It is not always the ladies who do that best, Jo. It is sometimes the strong brave woman who stirs up the boy and makes a man of him" , and Jo again returning with “No; I think the graceful woman, whom the boy you allude to married, has done more for him than the wild Nan of his youth". Here, Laurie concedes and says, "All three (including marmee) did much for him." Now notice that it is Jo who is basically trying to make the same arguments as you, and Laurie who is saying otherwise. The point I am trying to make here is that Laurie often holds Jo on a pedestal and gives her a credit that he doesn't always extend to Amy. His devotion to Jo is far beyond puppy love in the way it holds onto him (and I am not saying he doesn't love Amy, he does, but I don't believe it will ever be his greatest love). Now going back to the movie, as you were originally talking about, while Jo would have settled if she had married Laurie, I do not interpret this as an act of narcissism or only lonliness. Jo would not have sent that letter to any other random person, it was only because it was her Teddy. In the letter she never says she has realized that she is suddenly in love with him, only that she has realized to live without him would be a worse fate than to become a wife. Lonliness is also speaking here, but she is still willing to throw her whole life away so as not to lose him in her life. And while I agree that the only thing worse than unrequited love is false love, I see that letter as an act of devotion and loyalty (even if not romantic). Laurie on the other hand, feels like he settled for Amy not because he couldn't bear to be without her, but because she finally returned his desperate want to be loved and cherished romantically that Jo would not give him. This is of course, all my interpretation, and the books definitely colour my views, but this is how I felt about it
I love the movie, and the actress who plays Amy is very beautiful but you cannot put a 30 years old, voluptuous actres playing a 9 years old kid😅 She could play a teen but not a little kid, she has full on big boobs and looks like an adult women. It breaks the entire feeling of realism of the movie sadly. You cannot truly forget they are actors and just enjoy the story when there is something as fake as that. Its sad because Laurie and Jo were truly perfect
Amy being in love with Laurie her entire life makes my heart ache... especially when she says she didn't want to be "the one he settled for".... also Laurie's realisation that the love he feels for Amy is different. 🥺🥺🥺
Laurie and Jo's friendship is just pure kinda love, and their friendship is irreplaceable. His love for Amy on the other hand is more passionate... the scene where he has to unbutton her so she can go off with Fred. His expression SAY IT ALL. 💕
If anything Jo being disappointed about writing and NY and then giving Laurie's proposal a second chance, felt more like Jo was the one settling for Laurie.
This is a PERFECT explanation of the two ships and I 100% agree
Beautiful...i always adored jo and laurie as best friends, and laurie and amy as lovers
Agreed
Very much agreed
yes me too
Jo and Laurie just don’t work. Jo didn’t want their relationship to change, and Laurie changed himself so that _maybe_ she’d love him. The scene where Laurie proposes is heartbreaking. She just doesn’t love him like that.
Amy loved him romantically, and she was ready to build a future with him. She helps him be a better person and he encourages her passions. They work and it’s just perfect.
The scene where Laurie proposes to Amy was such a heartbreaking scene. I felt so bad for Amy
I think u got Fred and Laurie mixed up
@@gwenalyn1410 no I’m talking about Laurie when he tells amy not to marry Fred
@@shaunbang ohhh ok I know what ur talking ab now
I think Laurie's love for Jo was teenage love and he thought she would be his forever. But Laurie and Amy's love is more mature and true love. Their love is where both people love each other, not just a one sided love
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i’ve said it once and i’ll say it again: jo encouraged laurie to be himself, but amy encouraged him to be better.
I think Amy was healthy for Laurie, she called him out on his bs, and inspired him at the same time. Meanwhile, he and Jo had a kinship that grew into puppy love and infatuation for Laurie. Jo loved the love Laurie gave her but couldn’t reciprocate it to the same depth as he could. The book and every cinematic iteration of this story is worth watching because you really get to know the characters’ complexities. It’ll always be a favorite. It just really hurts when Beth dies. Every time.
Jo encouraged Laurie to be himself, but Amy encouraged him to be better.
His proposal scene to Amy was gut wrenching. That face she makes. I love Florence. I hate how she always gets hated on for various things when she had the most responsibility on her shoulders.
But god that scene. And her face 😭😭😭😭.
She’s so iconic. The I’d be respected if I couldn’t be loved. She was always my favorite. But that face and you’re being mean and then confesses her love for him leaving him just shocked. And it’s like 😩😩😭😭😭
Jo needed someone who could tell her the things as they were, not someone to be always supporting her even when she was mistaken. Laurie needed the exact same thing, that's why they would never work as a couple.
YESS THISSS
I wish they would have had a scene with just Laurie. And he takes off the ring. And if they stayed true to the book, if he pulled out a little white rose Amy gave him and put that in his lapel. That would have been chefs kiss
Thanks for a good edition!
It's a pity that Laurie's love for Jo is one-sided, regrettable. They loved each other's other half just as friendship.
While Amy&Laurie's love is more mtual and passionate. So their love is valuable and beautiful.
Ahh I love laurie and amy together! Jo and laurie are great as friends but I think Lauri and amy are always better as lovers
I bawled my eyes out watching this edit!! It’s so good!
I didn’t read the book, but based exclusive on the film Amy deserved better.
I always felt Jo never loved herself to love another, and she felt undeserving of love..as she grew, she acknowledged her love that always existed for Laurie, and Laurie loved Amy because she loved him. Laurie just transferred his love to Amy from Jo, and in spite of it all, she was second, but we always lose the first, so it's forever. I have been Amy and Jo. This was so beautiful to watch and cry to..
..and Jo never told him how she felt, he never knew, that went with the river flowing, ..had he known, ..
I love this Lauri better than Christian Bales. He was too arrogant
And at the end he chose Amy
You are beautiful 🙂. His little smile gets me every time
I love this movie. Beautiful story. I love you Laurie ❤❤❤
The scene where Fred and Amy got in the carriage together, Laurie looked so pissed 😭
It’s awful when you regret losing what was in-front of you
Thats one beautiful edit! Nicely done❤❤
amy
Most beautiful movie
How can I watch the full episode?
The movie added the relationship between Laurie and JO. And the problem is that it's too good, it overshadowes the real story about Laurie and Amy
They spent too much time in the movie building the chemistry of Jo and laurie. So laurie loving amy just wasnt believable enough or it didnt move me.
This is exactly how I felt
Yes agree. I thought that Lau loves Amy is because Jo reject him 😅
Little women always troubled me. I understand Jo pov, and I understand Amy's pov and Lauries being heartbroken over Jo....but I can't shake the feeling that he settled for Amy whic is not fair for her either. But I also dont think he would have found true happiness if he wasnt part of the March's family like he said....one way or another.
I just...dont think is very healthy.
It is not worth it at all to love ❤️ someone to that level, someone who doesn't love you,
Some women if you love them they act Rude - and once you start to act rude also - her rude it will start to fade up
Rude woman vs Rude man = Respect.
Ok well, I'm crying. I'm team Jo and Laurie. I think she was never interested in marriage and romance, and maybe somewhere on the aro/ace spectrum. So when he proposed to her, she knew she didn't want to be a wife and she knew she didn't have feelings for him in the same way he did. So she said no, because she felt she couldn't give him what he truly wanted and needed - romantic/sexual passion. But she always loved Laurie. You can see it in everything she does. They are best friends. They are each other's other half. And you can see in everything he does, he loves Jo. And eventually, she was so lonely without him and she missed him so that she realized, maybe I can be a wife after all, if he still really wants me to, because I love Laurie and always will. But by then, he had already moved on to Amy. And Amy is amazing, they are good friends and you can see that they have that romantic/sexual passion (him unbuttoning her frock, her drawing him, their kiss). But for me, they just can't match up to Jo and Laurie's relationship. And it breaks my heart that they don't end up together because I think they both would have been so happy together.
Also, Amy criticizes and pushes Laurie to work hard and make something of himself in his career. Freidrich criticizes Jo's writing and pushes her in her career. Laurie and Amy have always liked being a part of elegant society and that level of social standing. Friedrich and Jo have always been alright being poor artists. They match in these ways. And suddenly, you realize that marriage in this society is an economic proposal. To me, this is the ultimate takeaway from this movie. And to me, it feels tragic.
Things were easier and happier before anyone had to be adults and worry about money and getting married. You can see the switch when the color of the movie goes from golden to bluer, colder tones. Perhaps it's realistic. But to me, it's so sad.
@@sarahburgess7306 Couldn't have said it better
I respectfully disagree. I believe that neither of them loved each other romantically(Laurie admits that his love for jo was different than what he feels with Amy), while Laurie and Amy did.
I disagree, Jo only started thinking about laurie in a romantic way bc she felt alone, and Laurie loved Jo in the same way we loved and idealized our first love, ignoring how incompatible they are and more based on idealization, Amy and Laurie are the ling of relationship that works, where both match, both desire their partnerts and both decide to work on eachother
Billy eyelash spoils the whole thing.
Im a Jo and Laurie fan .... And im heartbroken bcz they didnt end up together .....💔
Song? 6:07
Another love
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I’ve ALWAYS liked the pairing of Amy with Laurie. However I’ve usually felt in the minority with that take. Lots of agreement in the comments here though. I think that’s down to this specific version of Little Women.. particularly how much Florence Pugh brings to her role. I guess I’m predisposed to like her Amy because I seem to like her in everything. Timothee Chalamet won me over in this movie also. I thought I was going to haaate him as Laurie. Actually, hearing he was cast made me want to skip it. And I had the same gripe that I always have with watching TC in stuff. It’s just that the guy doesn’t look a day over 14 years old. Yes, it’s VERY superficial but it bugs me nevertheless. And tbh, it was still annoying in this movie. But he somehow charmed me anyway (tho he’s nowhere near as terrific as Florence)
its quite obvious, when amy says" i was always second.." why she "chose" laurie to love: Because he was in love with Jo.. she instinctively got in love with the man that repeated the same motive her family made her feel as "a second choice" ... she might not even payed attention to him if there was no Jo involved - on the other hand laurie loved the way she adored him where jo almost treat him as equal/ friend -:- so in one case with jo, laurie was attracted by her personality with big chances the relationship not to have worked while with amy her support and similar view of life woud work better -
still I believe that the pure love was between Jo and Laurie because they loved each other for who they were / despite the fact that a love relationship might have been hard to survive as in a love relationship things get more complicated/ they loved and admired each other and in a world with no social expectations they might have worked as a couple, unfortunately such a world doesnt exist - so amy and laurie is a more harmonised couple that can adapt the social life demanded specialy at those years... 🌗❤️🌗
They didn’t love each other for who they were tho, Laurie essentially changed who he was or tried to change for Jo to love him back and she still couldn’t. As a writer myself I found Jo’s love for Laurie to be a bit narcissistic. She only loved the way he loved her, but she didn’t love him the same. That isn’t pure true love, that is simply an infatuation teenagers and young adults have until they realize love is much more simpler and needs to be two-sided. Amy’s love for Laurie was similar to Laurie’s love for Jo, it was an infatuation for a “maybe future”. When she sees Laurie for who he is Amy’s love grew into an almost eternal love, she could never stop because she loved him for he was. Laurie (without his Jo blinders) was finally able to see the woman Amy was and realized that was what he wanted all along. Someone who would put him first and encourage his greatness. Even at the end Jo was going to settle for marriage with Laurie because she felt like a failure. He was her second choice to her dream as a writer.
@@Spicytamale02 I have to disagree with you here. I think from just the movie it could be easy to misinterpret, but in the books it is clear that Laurie was always most his self when he was with Jo (a part of the problem between them, as she always loved him too much (not romantically definitely, but deeply to be sure) and gave into his whims too easily). Amy helped him grow to be sure, but so did Jo. In fact, Laurie himself says that it was Jo who made him into man, and it was Jo who replied that Amy and Marmee are the ones that should receive the credit, but Laurie just settled it by saying it was all three of them. Also, Jo's love for him was hardly narcissistic. Everybody knows the famous "I've loved you since I've know you - couldn't help it..." line, but the full version in the books actually continues with "you've always been so good to me". Jo adores Laurie, and that never changes, it just was not romantic on her part. She was wrong to consider marrying Laurie out of lonliness, but she's also just human. I do agree, however, that Amy loved Laurie a lot, which is why sometimes I think she deserved better.
@@rauraaurora6331 I was talking about the movie not the book, but even in the book Laurie had two different loves for both Jo & Amy. Jo turned him into a man bc she broke his heart. Not only that but because she forced him to grow up after she rejected him. It could also mean that he felt lust & love for her therefore he changed from a prepubescent boy to a man w/ an erection. There are many interpretations from that line you chose. In reality though, Jo was right because it was Amy who pushed Laurie to being the best version of himself and to grow into the traditional sense of “man” by getting him to work for his grandfather. Laurie’s love for Jo was the kind of love we all wanted in high school, it’s puppy love for a best friend who you shared everything with and told everything to. But his connection w/ Amy was more adult, desire, & they were similar to one another in every aspect other than gender. It was like fate.
@@Spicytamale02 Thank you for replying, I know the original comment was made a year ago, so I didn't expect it haha. The exchange I was referencing though happens in the sequels years after both have married (and I do apologize for quoting the books while you were referencing the movie, that was my misunderstanding, but for clarification's sake I will continue), goes like this: Jo says "...any lovely woman may, using her gentle influence to lift and hold them above the coarse, rough things of life, and keep them (the boys in her school) gentlemen in the best sense of the fine old word", with Laurie replying, "It is not always the ladies who do that best, Jo. It is sometimes the strong brave woman who stirs up the boy and makes a man of him" , and Jo again returning with “No; I think the graceful woman, whom the boy you allude to married, has done more for him than the wild Nan of his youth". Here, Laurie concedes and says, "All three (including marmee) did much for him." Now notice that it is Jo who is basically trying to make the same arguments as you, and Laurie who is saying otherwise. The point I am trying to make here is that Laurie often holds Jo on a pedestal and gives her a credit that he doesn't always extend to Amy. His devotion to Jo is far beyond puppy love in the way it holds onto him (and I am not saying he doesn't love Amy, he does, but I don't believe it will ever be his greatest love). Now going back to the movie, as you were originally talking about, while Jo would have settled if she had married Laurie, I do not interpret this as an act of narcissism or only lonliness. Jo would not have sent that letter to any other random person, it was only because it was her Teddy. In the letter she never says she has realized that she is suddenly in love with him, only that she has realized to live without him would be a worse fate than to become a wife. Lonliness is also speaking here, but she is still willing to throw her whole life away so as not to lose him in her life. And while I agree that the only thing worse than unrequited love is false love, I see that letter as an act of devotion and loyalty (even if not romantic). Laurie on the other hand, feels like he settled for Amy not because he couldn't bear to be without her, but because she finally returned his desperate want to be loved and cherished romantically that Jo would not give him. This is of course, all my interpretation, and the books definitely colour my views, but this is how I felt about it
They settled, maybe for the better but Jo settle with that guy because Laurie told her about Amy.
Laurie settle for Amy because Jo told him no.
What is the moral of rhe story
Don't loving someone fully 100%
I love the movie, and the actress who plays Amy is very beautiful but you cannot put a 30 years old, voluptuous actres playing a 9 years old kid😅
She could play a teen but not a little kid, she has full on big boobs and looks like an adult women.
It breaks the entire feeling of realism of the movie sadly.
You cannot truly forget they are actors and just enjoy the story when there is something as fake as that.
Its sad because Laurie and Jo were truly perfect