FALSE APPARITION? Bishop Schneider speaks on Medjugorje
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My grandparents went there in the 80’s. My grandfather converted and their marriage was saved. Since that visit they prayed the Rosary daily till the day they died
Amen!❤
I do wonder why people choose to go to an unapproved site rather than go to an approved site such as Fatima and Lourdes?
Exactly 😢
Maybe they ve already been to those
Right!
Pilgrims to Medjugorje also love Fatima and Lourdes.
@@holdfast5332 except that it's not.
We had a friend who went to Medjugorje and came back perplexed. One thing that caused her to question the apparitions is the crime of simony. The first seers were poor in the beginning and are now extremely wealthy. That is a red flag.
They are not extremely wealthy. I've met them. They get by.
@@gerardk51 People stay at a seers home while on pilgrimage, the seers family put on their sad poverty faces then the guests are asked for a donation to help them get by. Then lo and behold the moment all have been waiting for, they get treated to their own apparition with a message from Our Lady to them. I guess, no money, no apparition. That's a HOAX.
Extremely wealthy?
When the apparitions started in 1981 they were teenagers, living with their parents, working in the fields during extreme heat under a brutal communist dictator.
The wall fell in 89 and capitalism and more pilgrims came flooding in.
The villagers had to expand their poor houses in order to accommodate tens of thousands from all across the globe.
If you have a bias, state it freely, no one will think less of you.
But don't display your lack of history or a hatred of capitalism since you've benefited tremendously from it as well.
@@xtraordinairartist9469 I replied harshly but my computer erased it as always. But be assured you received my response. I need a new computer.
@@xtraordinairartist9469But now some of the seers are very wealthy, capitalizing on their so called visions. This is a fact. Not one became a religious which is completely odd.
The biggest miracle occurs at the Consecration. Be there!. Blessed are we who are called to His supper!
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@@user-nb2sn6id4r really??!! That's impossible in the UK everyone has to kneel.Otherwise how is a Catholic church.
Exactly, and you came away from this message from Medjugorje. At least for me, Medjugorje is not about miracles (although undoubtedly happens), but about praying and having a better relationship with God! ❤
And blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!
As our Lady of Medjugorje has repeatedly said. She said to go to Mass rather than an apparition.
I know of a priest who was told that he had a vocation by a lady who turned out to be sketchy.
He is a very good priest, but he can't look critically at the lady's actions because it would make him doubt his own vocation.
I feel that it is the same way with the apparitions at Medjugorgie. Many people feel that they owe their belief to the apparitions, and so they won't look critically at them.
For me it is enough that a seer attributed heresy to the words of the Blessed Mother.
The Blessed Mother CANNOT utter heresy. Therefore the apparitions are false.
Excellent!
You eat with Satan. I'm a Marian. I just got called to Medjugori I leave in 8 days. I pray the rosary everyday and that is when Mary can speak to you within you
Yes, some people seem to have more faith in the seers than they do in the Church and Church teachings.
People also forget that one of the girls claimed she was worried that our Blessed Mother was going to drop baby Jesus. I think this happened when someone went to poke the seer in the eye, and when she reacted, that is what she said. Also the seers all became wealthy, muliti millionaires from all this.
The Trinity does not allow deception, or falseness to attach to the Virgin Mary. Jesus would never allow His Mother to Lead people astray.
I am not sure what to think. Years ago I believed it. Over the past couple of years I have listened to Fr Ripperger and a few others express doubts about the authenticity of Medjugorje. I have come to trust Fr Ripperger, Bishop Schneider, etc.The most important thing in life is the search for truth. I want to know the truth in anything, even if I don't like it. So, I'm very cautious and skeptical about what comes out of Medjugorje now. Something is not right somewhere about it. I'd rather be a distant observer for the time being.
The messages of Fatima and Medugorje are very different. Also the 3rd secret was not revealed in its entirety but we do know the essence of what it speaks about thanks to several of those who have read it.
People say Medugorje must be true because Our Lady asks us to pray the rosary and fast etc
The devil is very very very cunning. He works in ways that are not obvious and it's in these times that he is most effective in his deceptions. He will give 99% truth and he will even take damage to his army in a strategic effort to either deceive many or to lead them into error.
Let me explain. Our Lady of Fatima (3rd secret unredacted version) Our Lady of good success, Our lady of Akita, Our lady of LaSallett, as well as prophecies from saints like Saint Padre Pio, Saint Francis of Assisi, Blessed Carherine Emmerich etc as well as Holy scripture ALL give the same or very similar message about these times. They speak of apostasy within the church, they speak of a doing away with the customs and traditions of the church (Vatican II/Novus Ordo) they speak of the Altars being replaced with tables, they speak of the last Pope or antipope being controlled by Satan, they speak of the passion of the church, of a counterfeit church, of profanation of the Eucharist, great compromise, that many Bishops and priests will be going to hell and leading many souls with them.
Medugorje unlike all these messages of our lady & prophecies of Saints & holy scripture itself does not speak of any of these things. In fact you could call Medugorje 'the novus ordo apparition'
Why would our lady cease to mention all these things that she was warning about for centuries and now when we're actually living in that time....the very time that she warned us about over and over... she all of a sudden doesn't mention any of it anymore!
In fact according to Medugorje everything is fine with the church, all the evil is outside of the church. This is false! It also leads many into believing the current novus ordo church is fine, and makes it more likely for people to fall into believing the heresies that are being promulgated.
On top of all this the so called seers of Medugorje lied multiple times. One of these lies was caught on camera and you can watch it yourself. And Our lady does not speak heresy yet according to medugorje our lady said God wills all religions! Also that the holiest person in medugorje was a Muslim! Heresy, lies. In fact its the same kind of false doctrine and heresy being promoted by Francis.
Medugorje is a diversion from the truth, a diabolical distraction that keeps millions of Catholics in delusion and distracts them from the true messages of our lady of Fatima and the authentic and church approved apparitions I mentioned above.
Literally everyone I know who defends "Pope" Francis and or who embraces modernism, ecumenism, who love the Novus Ordo all believe in Medugorje.
Truth, yes, no matter what
Exactly, Truth before anything, even if it hurts. Pride is what gets in the way of Truth.
Medjugorje is definitely suspect. That being said, God is not limited anywhere, so each claim has to be considered for its accuracy. On the whole Medjugorje has plenty of red flags.
@@ochem123what are the red flags, can you list them. I was there in 1994, found the people to be very holy, genuine and devoted. When I returned to the States I had a very difficult time because I found the Mass goers at the N.O. Masses to take Christ in the Eucharist for granted as they did the entire faith. That was not the case in Medujorge. I haven't followed it for a very very long time. I have since found a TLM Parish and try to stay away from Apparitions as I feel we have all we need in our faith from the approved apparitions. God bless
I believe it’s false. Never believed it. It’s so disturbing when our priests not only believe it but use their pulpit and church’s funds to promote it.😢
So your belive is most worth than other belive??what makes your apinion beter???
It’s disturbing that you think that Your beliefs are facts Or what other people should believe. I’d watch out for the sin of pride there if I were you 🙏
@@christinecreedon4551 Have you left your brain somewhere, because it doesn’t seem to be in your head! Of course if I believe something I will think that I am right and everyone should also believe it, otherwise it’s not a “belief”! That’s the definition of belief! Who ever believes something even though they know is false needs to get themselves to a mental hospital quickly. That being said, I certainly believe that everyone has the right to their own point of view and beliefs. It’s a God-given right which I will protect for myself and others. But what is truly disturbing is that there are people out there that would reject my right to believe what I believe.
@@christinecreedon4551 And I encourage you to do your research to the extent that I did, and you will find all the true facts that disprove The Medjugorje alleged apparitions.
@@ivoandrijasevic2826 If i didn’t think that my belief was “more worth”, then it wouldn’t be my belief, then would it?
With other apparitions---
1830 to Sister Catherine Laboure
1858 to Bernadette Soubirous
1917 to the shepherd children
in Fatima, Portugal
the apparitions took place for a limited time; then the apparitions ended, after the seers reported the message of Our Lady. At Medugorje, however, the "messages" go on and on and on, endlessly. Seems suspicious to me.
It's because the Seers have made millions over the years. They run hotels and have several properties
Yes, they keep going on and on, the same "message" as well as in Brasil, nothing less that each day, for over 24 years!
Yes, clever so Church will not be able to examine it properly. Enemy knows what he is doing !
Funny, her messages are the five stones, I'm sure Satan would not promote the five stones.
Check the apparitions of Laus, France, approved by the Church. They lasted for decades.
When "the seers" attribute idiotic statements to their "Gospa", you know it is not the Mother of God. She can't say stupid things. Case closed.
What idiotic statements? Do you mean like: Go to confession. Read the Bible. Attend Mass?
Tell us.
@@gerardk51 Actually she said not to attend Mass to those attending the "visions" , that the visions were "good enough actually better" She also gave predictions on sports betting. More egregiously, she said all religions are the same, including pro-abortion religions, and that it is only "men" who created divisions between them. She also complained that a lot of people were trampling mud onto her dress, and they should stop it. And she said she would send her son Jesus down to "beat up" all those church authorities who refused to believe in the apparitions. Early on, she claimed the town drumk was given a bloody hanerchief by Jesus and told to throw it in the river. Had he not done so, the world would have ended. I could go on and on.
@@edwardbaker1331 Nonsense.
She said if you have a choice between attending an apparition or attending mass then you should attend mass.
I could go on and on.
@@gerardk51 No you can't go "on and on." You're lying. The seers claimed otherwise. They clained atttending the appraritions was "better than going to Mass." Why would you lie to defend a phony apparition? You insult and actually go so far as to spit in the face of Our Holy Mother to make the phony claims about her that these morally depraved phony idiots have been claiming for more than forty years while they're getting personally wealthy from the process, a radicall departure from the real saints of real apparitions.
What stupid things did they say? Tell me ?Satan Or Don't tell me your a Democrat, that makes a statement, and backs it up with nothing?
Not of God. The Virgin Mary wouldn't say all religions are a way to God. There are many other very erroneous statements that conflict with scripture and tradition as well. Fr. Shannon Collins has an excellent talk on this topic. You cannot make something false true.
If you know about Father Pius of Italy he really knew about all devil strategic because he appeared to him in different ways and speak like a saint but very controversial if he knew very well the doctrine of catholic faith
The devil is making you question the power and grace of the blessed mother. Jesus the Lamb Will 0:00 not let His Mother be used or
YOU WERE NEVER THERE. AND THATS JUST YOUR OPINION. TO BAD YOU DONT BELEIVE BECAUSE SOON YOU WILL SEE A MIRACLE DOUBTING THOMAS.
Mary never said that, you should Listen to Fr. Leon Pereira he has a video where he debunks all of these rumors. Fr. Leon was a Dr., he saw our Lady at Medjugorje and is now a Dominican priest!
There could be other explanations why those words were attributed to Our Lady. There could be meddling by the spiritual directors of the visionaries (some who were kicked out of the priesthood), there could also be mistranslation, and also there could be memory problems. All these things happen. It doesn't mean the apparitions are false. That's why there are comissions to investigate discrepancies.
I had the wonderful opportunity to speak with a late Bishop of a Diocese in Atlantic Canada who had visited Medjugorje. Hetold me that he had gone to Medjugorje because many in his Diocese had visited this site and he felt he would not be able to talk with him unless he, himself, had gone to experience this site. While the Bishop noted that he found Medjugorje to be a very prayerful place, however, he said as for the apparitions of our Blessed Lady, the late Bishop said if you look back at Fatima or at Akita or any other certified apparitions, in Medjugorje this Bishop said very clearly: Our Blessed Lady talks too much.
It's not that our Lady talks too much, she has been talking to a lot of visionaries for centuries, and to mystics, look at the mystical city of God by venerable Mary of Agreda, I think it is 4 books of revelations by our Blessed Mother about her life--in own her words. So it's not that our Lady talks too much in Medjugorje for the first time, it's not the first time. It's just that the messages have been made public as they have been given. I went to Medjugorje on two occasions, and you can feel the presence of Our Lady there. I believe the Ruini comission said that the first apparitions were likely true, but that the later ones not. I don't know to be honest, but I did have a special experience during confession there. I think something magnificent is happening there because in that town every family prays the rosary every day. Impossible for Our Lady not to be in a place where every family prays the Rosary daily. Also there is a statue of Jesus that exudes water miraculously. How do you explain that? Those are points in favor of Medjugorje. My advice to you is to go yourself and experience it.
@@edgar_roca The non-existent vision, and mega hoax says a lot of stupid things. Therefore, it is dishonorable and disrespectful to be taken in.
Many people don’t even know the the approved apparitions but they chasing after things like this
Many people chase for "approved apparitions" but haven't ever read Luke 16, 26 and 2 Cor 11,14.
I do not believe that Our Lady would be communicating with the so-called seers for this length of time. Also, the so-called messages from Medjugorje do not have any connection or similarities to the messages which came from LaSalette, Fatima, Garabandal, or Akita which are all very similar.
Perhaps Our Lady just wants us to know she is here to guide us through the trials ahead.
Yes , Medjugorje comes off more like a chat-room. In my gut it seems very unholy.
With over 40K message how many pertain to murder of over 1 billion innocent babies in the womb ?
In that case Maybe they are all lies then.
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I believed it was true years ago but when I looked into it properly I decided to leave it alone and concentrate on our Lady of Fatima and Lourdes God bless Bishop Schneider 🙏
I think your views on this are very balanced🙏
I have been 4 times there and it undoubtedly is a place of great Graces because so much confessions take place and conversions.
It’s the busiest Parish anywhere in the world and it gives my faith a great boost🙏
I believe that it’s an unfinished business and it may prove to be true or false depending on the eventual proof of some of the messages or not🙏
The number of Priests going there ministering to the faithful is unbelievable and there is nowhere I’ve been that is holier because of the volume of prayers, confession and Adoration🙏
Also all Communion is distributed only by Priests and the vast majority receive kneeling on the tongue even though it’s uncomfortable!
Huge numbers of vocations up to 1000 are officially confirmed and some of the testimonies from these Priests are very powerful🙏 Fr. Dan Rehill an excorcist Priest is a powerful one🙏
Messages taken from Fatima and Garabandal.
Jesus is sending His Mother to Medjugorje to convert and lead the people to God✝️Those who have listened to this call, find this place a Heavenly Place ❤ I have been there twice 🙏✝️😇⛪️💙
It's a place of bullshit and fraud!
All true, but doubters don't look at facts, just calumnies whispered by the Devil.
I am not a doubter per say but I have heard the arguments of those who doubt it's authenticity and they are indeed looking at the facts.@@JACKDAWFISH
Not impressed with Medjugorje. The seers are not in the least, exemplary, or behave as such. Neither am I impressed with those whose emotions or feelings have led to conversions. As a former Buddhist, I was quite familiar with Buddhists who made pilgrimages to Buddhist shrines, and would hear similar stories of cathartic experiences, that would change people who had led dark lives to a 360 degree turn for the better. Are these experiences based in truth? Beyond that, some of the messages of Medjugorje clearly contain statements which run contradictory to Church teachings. For that, I relegate this to one of high suspicion and high doubt. Fatima is much more real, more Catholic, more pressing and extremely urgent. It has been exhaustingly and thoroughly researched enough to withstand the arrows and slings of doubt.
If you say the seers are not exemplary there you are just here to spread false information. I think you are still worshipping the fat guy.
What they lack most importantly is virtue
St Bernadette was horrified when a pilgrim gave her brother a toy
She went and found them and returned it saying
They could not accept any gifts for doing the will of God
That my friend is Virtue.
money is the root of all evil
That’s why Bernadette is a Saint. None of the seers in Medjugorje are Saints. You don’t have to be a saint to receive a vision or locutions from God
Why did you leave Buddhism? Look to the image of Guadelupe
I was away from the Church for 18 years and somehow I got to a talk on Medjugorje which was a miracle in itself.. I hated the Catholic Church and came away from that talk converted. Driving in my car I was overcome with what I now know was the Holy Spirit and I was told this life doesn't matter, it's what ahead that's important. My life changed completely and came back to the One Holy Apostolic Church. Thank you Lord. I owe everything to Our Blessed Mother. I've been to Medjugorje 3 times and have seen and felt things not of this earth. No one can this away for me. I had my feet in Hell and was saved by Medjugorje.
That's awesome but it isn't proof of an apparition, there are many holy places including your local Catholic Church where a miracle takes place during every mass.
People find God at protestant charismatic events etc then they are lead into the fulness of the truth eventually.
God can use any situation or place authentic or not to touch our hearts. Yet we are on a journey and must mature spiritually.
The messages of Fatima and Medugorje are very different. The 3rd secret of Fatima was not revealed in its entirety by the heirarchy because it would expose the truth about the Novus Ordo & it spoke about a Pope being controlled by Satan which wasn't something they felt comfortable releasing understandably. We do know the essence of what it speaks about thanks to several of those brave souls who had read it and although they never released it in its entirety due to the vow of secrecy they took, they let us know what the gist was and just like Our Lady of good success told us way back in the 1500's she pinpointed the 1960's, in fact Our lady specifically asked for the 3rd secret to be released in 1960! Because the 3rd secret spoke of Vatican II and the apostasy that would come as a result of it.
People say Medugorje must be true because Our Lady asks us to pray the rosary and fast etc
The devil is very very very cunning. He works in ways that are not obvious and it's in these times that he is most effective in his deceptions. He will give 99% truth and he will even take damage to his army in a strategic effort to either deceive many or to lead them into error.
Let me explain. Our Lady of Fatima (3rd secret unredacted version) Our Lady of good success, Our lady of Akita, Our lady of LaSallett, as well as prophecies from saints like Saint Padre Pio, Saint Francis of Assisi, Blessed Carherine Emmerich etc as well as Holy scripture ALL give the same or very similar message about these times. They speak of apostasy within the church, they speak of a doing away with the customs and traditions of the church (Vatican II/Novus Ordo) they speak of the Altars being replaced with tables, they speak of the last Pope or antipope being controlled by Satan, they speak of the passion of the church, of a counterfeit church, of profanation of the Eucharist, great compromise, that many Bishops and priests will be going to hell and leading many souls with them.
Medugorje unlike all these messages of our lady & prophecies of Saints & holy scripture itself does not speak of any of these things. In fact you could call Medugorje 'the novus ordo apparition'
Why would our lady cease to mention all these things that she was warning about for centuries and now when we're actually living in that time....the very time that she warned us about over and over... she all of a sudden doesn't mention any of it anymore!
In fact according to Medugorje everything is fine with the church, all the evil is outside of the church. This is false! It also leads many into believing the current novus ordo church is fine, and makes it more likely for people to fall into believing the heresies that are being promulgated.
On top of all this the so called seers of Medugorje lied multiple times. One of these lies was caught on camera and you can watch it yourself. And Our lady does not speak heresy yet according to medugorje our lady said God wills all religions! Also that the holiest person in medugorje was a Muslim! Heresy, lies. In fact its the same kind of false doctrine and heresy being promoted by Francis.
Medugorje is a diversion from the truth, a diabolical distraction that keeps millions of Catholics in delusion and distracts them from the true messages of our lady of Fatima and the authentic and church approved apparitions I mentioned above.
Literally everyone I know who defends "Pope" Francis and or who embraces modernism, ecumenism, who love the Novus Ordo all believe in Medugorje.
Praise God! When you know, you know...as they say!
Beautiful.
Thank you for sharing
My wife went to medugorce in 2005 she's anxious to take me there
I do have an a opinion, it’s false! 40.000 messages and still going strong.
I agree with you 💯.
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The devils playground for those looking for prideful emotionalism ....the evil one can appear as an angel of light...read the bible
Agreed
I never believed in Medugorje, for some reason something was not right. I am in Ireland and this Sunday is "Reek Sunday" a pilgrimage takes place which is the climbing of Croagh Patrick, at the top mass will be celebrated in the old Cnurch. We also have the beautiful apparation site at Knock in County Mayo. Ireland is a land blesssed with holy sites....Holy Island, Lough Derg, County Clare, Glenstal Abbey County Limerick, Clonmacnoise, County Offaly, Gleann Cholm Cille Valley, County Donegal, Pilgram''s Path, Cĺonmacnoise, County Offaly, Glendalough, County Wicklow founeded by Saint Kevin, Our Lady's Island, County Wexford, Saint Bridget's Way, County Louth, Crogan Hill.( assoaiated with Bishop MacCaìlle, believed to.be the son of Saint Patrick's sister Saint Darerca, County Offaly, Caher Island, County Mayo. If only the whole of Ireland would turn back to Jesus Christ, we would have a chance to divert the catastrophe that is about to befall us due to mass immigration and the attack on our innocent children who have been taken by evil people into an adult world ful of vice, degeneracy and lies. Dear Lord, help us all🇮🇪🙏❤💙
Good morning to you! I wouldn't be Catholic if it wasn't for my Irish paternal grandmother, Anna O'Toole from County Cork. She came to America in steerage during the great potato famine. Praying for my Ireland to once again be Christ's Rock.
Ave Maria! Pax Christi!
We have Knock, in Ireland, and all of the other places you mentioned. We don't need Medjugorje.
@@m.campbell650yup, thank God I’m Irish and Catholic
@@johnphelan8300 Believe that if you wish, but I guarantee you, you will answer at the throne of Jesus Chrst for the insult to his blessed Mother.
I have been to your beautiful country, and got to visit Knock. It was a deeply edifying experience.
So much disobedience has happened there.. and the messages, are bland. I don’t believe Our Mother comes every other minute to say nothing special… based on approved apparitions.
I think it’s diabolical, because many will lose their faith, based solely on these apparitions, when they are proven false.
Novus Ordo Catholics are different then traditional Catholics. So we think differently about Medjugorje. Was Novus Ordo and I am born 25 km from Medjugorje. Stick to Fatima and Tradition.
@@anakkalbo that’s a very strange comment.
@@lizmonard I am foreigner and my English is not clear. With my statement wanted to say it's not important is Medjugorje true or false for salvation of your soul.
@@anakkalbo So the HUGE numbers who visit there, confess their sins and take part in the Masses and Adoration don't matter? As I said elsewhere where God's work is being done there the devil will sew darnel. We need to open our eyes and see the full picture!
@@marycw I didn't talk about numbers. I know what's happening there and it is good that they confess and pray rosary changing life etc.
I visited Medjugorje in 1990 and was very disturbed by it. I was definitely alone in my opinion, especially at that time. Couldn’t talk about it for years. I felt like the place was crawling with demons and I saw one too. You hear so much recently about how people are falling down in demonic fits in need of exorcisms there. The explanation given is that this is because the presence of Our Lady drives the demons out of people who must already be possessed. Really? I didn’t see people having demonic fits in Lourdes. Perhaps people are becoming possessed upon going to Medjugorje? I’d like to hear more about other people’s experiences.
I have a very disturbed friend who went to Medjugorje and said something white flew into her chest while looking at Gospa statue. Im sure she got possessed due to her behaviours that are severe. I pray for her everyday...
When I was there 1987, I was told it was because Our Lady was there, that the demons were fighting her.
I think it is more about tourism than anything else. The fact that none of the "seers" have any religious vocations, as well as the message of religious indifferentism are why I don't believe. Having an authentic experience with Our Lady has an effect on people.
They all have the vocation of marriage. That’s a powerful sacrament and grace from God.
It’s always the same old disinformation.
Read Christifidelis Laici. Laity is a vocation.
They are married.
Marriage is a Sacrament, Religious is only a vow.
At least 3 of the visionaries have a life of suffering especially Vicka. Who are we to judge what they have done with their lives. Can you drink of the cup they have been given can you?? The fact none of them sought out religious life should prove to you God's love and respect for our free will. He would never force his will upon us. Our Lady also encourages us if we can to raise families and thats what they have done. Most of them have a marriage vocation. Jackov has a life of service to the poor. Remove the spec from your own eye so that you may see clearly before you try and remove the spec from your brothers !! Wake up folks. Time us short. She shall crush the head if the serpent and that time is upon us !
@@d0hoey0 We are to discern regarding apparitions. They are not de fide. Jesus said, " I m the way and the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but through me." Do you really think his mother would say that all religions are equal in his sight? Saint Paul said that if anyone prech another gospel, let him be an anathema.
I have been to Medjugorje, my life was changed! I assure you this is a very holy place. The Rosary, adoration, and mass are now the center of my life! I promise you, our lady is appearing!
Our Lady cannot lie
yes exorcist Dan reehil who I looove listening to, father don calloway love him as much , said that our lady of MEDUGORJE changed their lives. I believe those priests over a " catholic utuber"..
Medjugorje and Our Lady is the reason I became Catholic and have remained Catholic 24 years. You’ve got this one wrong Kennedy.
Medjugorie is for real
@@loarnotoole36 And the clownish claims projected into the phony vision lies all the time.
According to E Michael Jones,all the visionaries are millionaires.
He also said Medgourje is absolutely diabolical following his own investigations
Jones is nuts.
What RUBBISH!
'Thanks a million.'@@marycw
@@gerardk51The visionaries Are millionaires!
Since going to Medjugorje in 1988 I pray the Rosary daily. I never prayed it before despite the Rosary was often said in my parish in USA in 1980s. Thank you Our Lady Queen of Peace
@@user-ze3rm4hg7y Me also about the Rosary. Someone said in Medjugorje that our Mother Mary lead that woman step by step, she noticed that. I think our Mother Mary does that with all of us too.
From what I have read, Our Lady told the children that she would appear only a few times and then no more. Why then are they claiming that Our Lady is appearing to them with new messages. Would Our Lady contradict herself??
Google - The Stark Truth About Medgjugore
It’s a demonic hoax and the so called visionaries were liars from the beginning.
cuz it's a moneymaker
@@eileens4943 Money! Is that you Judas? "Why this waste?" Matthew 26:8
The attacks are always about money.
A group of people from my church had an organized trip to Medjugorje for spring 2020. The time for the trip was set by the seer based on her supernatural insight. The group left the USA but could'n reach the destination because of the international disruption caused by the pandemic. My question to these people was "Why Our Blessed Mother said that you should come at that time? Did she not know that you could not reach Medjugorje? What kind of mother will make you cross Europe for nothing? " Unfortunately, they still think the seer is authentic.
"Set by the seer"? The visionaries of Medjugorje do not determine the times that pilgrimages can occur. Although it's possible one did invite pilgrims, that doesn't mean it was based on Our Blessed Mother's advice. It appears to me you may have been misinformed, or misunderstood second or third hand information.
Scamdemonic either one.
I converted into the church because of these apparitions. Made a full life confession, enrolled in the brown scapular, fast on Wed and Fridays, pray the rosary daily, attend mass five times a week, go to confession a couple times a month. Planning to visit this place in the coming year.
It was God's grace not medjugorie.
Ive been there last May ,it was my 1st trip, many of the people i met have been 20 - 25 times, one man was there over 100 times, i will be back for sure , try not to let the ego manage your expectations, everyone gets what is required, just let Mary guide your journey,. XX
Praise God for using this site for your conversion and welcome Home !! He can and does use anything, anywhere to bring His children back to Him.
And how much time you spent reading your Bible?
@@dianneraimondi8382 God's grace that came through Medjugorje.
The thing Bishop Schneider misses is that subsequent diocesan bishops HAVE condemned Medjugorje. As a result, it should have stopped.
It is precisely because the situation was unclear that the Vatican took authority over any decision on Medjugorje. Medjugorje is not condemned. I've been there twice and I would recommend anyone to go there.
Stop spreading Misinformation! Medjegore is NOT CONDEMNED ! I’ve just been there. It’s an oasis of peace!
I grew up as a hippie commune's product, not even knowing my father's name, not to mention the LORD's Holy Name, deeply rooted in esoteric practices, too. Somehow, I started praying the rosary and the Blessed Mother of GOD on the other hand started teaching me that there was 'that thing called grace' by drawing me towards unknown places like the Holy Tabernacle etc. After being a practicing catholic for twelve years now, She's still at it. But She always kept silent whenever it came to Medjugorje. This silence seems to concur with H.E. Bishop Schneider's - whom I dearly revere - and the Holy See's prudence. Human euphoria, the want/need to believe, can draw a lot from within itself, especially if the resulting efforts don't contradict GOD's plans for us. Imho. Thank you for all your efforts, Kennedy; regards from Switzerland, Gerda Maria
That was an interesting story. I wonder how you found the rosary?
That the seers make money from this is a definite problem. Not one became a religious.. imagine seeing the Blessed Virgin every day, you would never stop praying, the world would become totally insignificant to you.
I always thought the seers were just great deceivers, but now I believe it’s diabolical. The mass disobedience, the attitude of believers when their belief is questioned, that no supposed secrets have been revealed, but seriously, I had to laugh when the main seer, the one who has our Blessed Mother on speed dial, decided that the visits would be ceasing just when covid became a threat 🤦♀️. I’m sure Our Lady wasn’t scared of covid, and surely someone with a direct line to Heaven wouldn’t be either! 😂😂
I feel really upset and angry actually that people are really being taken advantage of here. Many don’t know their faith, aren’t really interested in the important aspects, but rather prefer excitement and drama..
I went to Lourdes because I was desperate for healing, and I did not get what I desired, but I don’t think at the time, I was spiritually mature enough anyway. I had so many vices I didn’t even see in myself, so I understand that people want a quick fix for their illnesses or worries, or to deepen their faith, but this place is only going to make the church look bad when it is revealed that millions of pilgrims spent millions of dollars and loads of time and effort, on a scam 😢. And many whose faith is built on sand, will sadly lose it.. men of little faith who have become priests have been converted there, and they credit the site more than the Grace of God.
We know God is with us, especially when many are gathered, and praying, and the same graces and ‘miracles’ can happen anywhere with faith.
Yes , I red similar stories many times exactly what you saying. It did became business, money orientated.
right. The pope says the visionary takes days off for football games and vacations . He also said Mary is not a magic genie. I have read and watched programs on the visionaries and I do not believe them. Would Mary only make her special? The messages are not specific either
@@mollybaker3882 oh yes, the messages.. so banal and trivial.. in Mary’s approved apparitions, her messages are dire and succinct.
If the apparition is false, I only pray that it won't impact on people's faith - this is my main concern. Fatima, after six consecutive appearance, our Blessed Mother confirmed her presence with the miracle of the sun. Lourdes, after 18 appearances, her presence was confirmed with miraculous spring. Well..............?
This is what i suspect , similar to your reservations. Our true Blessed Mother doesn't take 43 years to get a message across ! When , if ever , the person appearing , claiming to be Immaculate Mary , announces the date of her last visit ( as it was at Fatima ) she may state something completely contrary to an unchanging principle of our faith in the 'last hour' ( demonstrating that 'she' is actually a demon ) then causing many who have an incomplete foundation in understanding , to doubt or deny all the other genuine pleas of our Blessed Mother for conversion and penance ( Fatima , Akita , Lourdes ). I've read that the apparition told the seers to disobey the local bishop and pay attention only to 'her'. This is not of the Holy Spirit !
@@markdettra1794 Mark, if what you allege is true, then I am fearful. Our Blessed Mother would never, ever make such a statement to disobey the authority of the local Bishop, irrespective of whether the Bishop is good or not. thanks for sharing.
Not following what the Church has prescribed.
43 years non-stop? Practically the same message every time? Fake for sure
I once thought it was true but then several things made me doubt.
@@rickdowning4566 Why would you equate an un-approved apparition with the story of Christ? I remember speaking with priest and trying to work out why he didn't believe in Medjugorje and he simply asked me, 'if it turns out to be a hoax would you still believe in the church?' This completely caught me off guard as I had never considered this a possibility. Yes it returned me to my faith, so I have a fondness towards it, but I also needed to keep it in perspective. An apparition cannot not be held in the same regard as the Catholic Church, it cannot hold any authority over the Church. I remember one of my strongest inclinations when following Medjugorje with fervour was to judge others, especially priests. This appears to be a natural tendency among followers.
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Rick, I don't need to believe in the apparition to follow our Lady's appeal to pray three decades of the Rosary, attend daily Mass, receive Holy Communion and go to confession regularly. This has been asked of us through the centuries. Acquaint yourself with the lives of the Saints, their writings.....
I had a priest in my circle of friends who heavily promoted medgujorje, we would all get together for picnics and pray the rosary ect. and I just turned a blind eye to the devotion even though it made me uncomfortable.
The final straw came when he declared that medgujorje is “the most significant event in church history”.
I walked away and lost my entire circle of friends due to my reluctance to engage with in the medgujorje devotion.
The Medjugorje devotees get crazy if you challenge them. It’s all built on emotion and the Church teaches us that our emotions lie to us and lead us to perdition. Don’t engage with them in person. I was gifted a “blessed Medjugorje” rosary and tried praying with it and my hand started to burn. I threw it away. It was very creepy.
So much for the fruits then.
@@rosezingleman5007 It's like Trump Derangement Syndrome!
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Sad 😔 I am sorry this happened to you.
False. Mass formation. All the other approved aparitions happen for a limited time. Not continual messaging.
Now is a different time.
Her messages are not being adhered to. That is why they are not stopping, perhaps.
Not true. In the approved apparitions of Laus (France) to a lay woman they lasted for decades.
Then I guess Our Lady of Laus was wrongly approved?
The messages are anticlimactic. They are trivial pious exhortations. Like, “my children, pray every day, before everything you do, and thank God at the end of the day”. (That’s not a quote). There are now hundreds of these messages, with nothing significant emerging. The visionaries take the message to the priest before they are released. One of the visionaries, the elder male Ivan, got Mary’s permission to move to America for more lucrative work, but still experiences the apparitions messages there. So the story goes. I went there in 1986 or 88, while the war was on. Practically every home in the poor village has undertaken big extensions to provide guest rooms, and is making a mint from foreign money. After >30 years there is no significant message or prophecy. St Bernadette say Our Lady 3 times and the Fatima children saw her 5 times.
I went to the Medjugorje wanting to believe , but then my husband opened my eyes he showed the big hotel where supposedly the lady appears to one of the sears daily. If you are a guest at the hotel you can be present during the apparitions the sear has her apparition while on a stage and you can be present sitting down during that....
For Real?
What’s the name of the hotel and which seer is it?
Father Malachi Martin had an interesting take on Medjugorie. He mentions an old Irish lore that the Devil can't hide his hooves. And at Medjugorie the feet are never shown.
There was an anti Medjugorje vid on sensus fidelium which an angry priest was attempting to expose Medjugorje as a fraud. He used the same argument.
His talk was embarrassing, citing rumors, falicies and the same quite though not by Fr Martin.
At Lourdes, during the time of the apparitions to St.Bernadette, a number of people who were streaming to the site, claimed to have witnessed visions of our Lady. There were elements included in these visions which marked them as false. One individual described our Lady's feet shod in boots.
Malachi Martin called Medgjugore a demonic hoax
He planned on writing a book about this but sadly he died.
Indeed interesting.
When Med got started back then, a relative gave me a Med medal. Instantly, I noticed the depicted lady with its hands up in the air. No rosary no scapular in those hands. Our Lady has Her hands always below the shoulders showing humility, except when promoting those two tools of humility, the rosary and scapular.
Shortly after I heard Med's association with the 'charismatic' business and a priest saying how 100's of 'charismatic clergy ' were going to meet at Med. Hmm...
St Bernadette was summoned by some people at the time of the Lourdes Apparition to a certain area where a 14 year old boy was acting very peculiar, claiming he saw 'Our Lady'.
St Bernadette saw what the boy saw. She said the figure sure looked like 'Our Lady', from head to not toes.This 'creature' if one looked closely, had hoofs.
The Devil always wants one to choose him, despite one seeing/ignoring the deception. Then it's on 'you'. The original 'pro choose'.
One would say hoofs.@@LUIS-ox1bv
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Do you realize that Fatima was the favorite daughter of the Prophet Mohammad.There was a very deep and specific purpose why The Blessed Virgin Mary appeared there. Many of these apparitions go much deeper than a single denomination or "religion" can even conceive. We cannot help but look at these apparitions from a very "myopic" perspective, because of our human limitations.None of us can see what could be called "heavens perspective". One author who tried to decode the events of Fatima said that it was a warning for the Popes and world leaders to stop at all costs what we are seeing now unfold in the Middle east, because soon it could easily lead to WW3 and the unfolding of the prophesy of Zechariah 13, verse 8,9.
The seers gave their lives and property to the church
I think it is a false apparition, but God uses everything to work miracles, conversions, etc.
I'm just not too convinced that our Blessed Mother will appear to one of the seers every single day.
That’s a red flag.
She did to St Bernadette for a time in Lourdes. Why is that so out of the question then?
Our Lady is not "visiting" to the visionary everyday, rather, she is allowing her self to be seen by the visionary everyday, but our Lady is always by our side, right now, she is near you if you are catholic and love her. It's as if your guardian angel allowed himself to be seen by you everyday, it's not that your guardian angel is "visiting" you everyday but rather he is already there and just allowing you to see him. If our Lady wants to allow someone to see her everyday, why can't she? I don't know if this is true either, I cannot affirm it, we should always ask questions, but, technically speaking, she can appear to someone everyday if she wants to.
And they're not even pious. I believe Mirajana serves wine at her pansion to the US entitled pilgrims. They pay more, hence no chance for Asians or the poorer pilgrims.
How meny vocations come from Medjugorje world wide, how meny confessions yearly, how meny Holy Massis and Hours of Adorations, how meny conversation? Fruits? Our Lady, Queen of Peace, pray for us!
@@rickdowning4566 Love from #medjugorjeyouthfestival
The greatest "fruit" of Medj is disobedience to the bishop. Our Lady would NEVER encourage that.
Exactly
@@paulhogan9812 we never disobaid our bishof, we love him and pray for him still. he is one of the great bishops of the Covid Time! We, in Medjugorhje, never stud agenst him! We only tryed to do what Our Lady sead: pray the Rosary, Confess, Fast, Live the Word of God, celebrate and adour the Holy Eucharistie! Live the eucharistic Love! Non of that is beeing disobidient. Sorry for my english. Peace be with you!
N.O. Vocations or Latin Right Vocations
The truth is they were liars from the beginning
Bishop Schneider is a gift from God ….a holy and Saintly Bishop sent to us for just these times. One only has to read his life’s story to know that there is something very special about Bishop Schneider, and that his being with us at this moment in time is not a coincidence…. It is a God-incidence!🙏😇. I wish Bishop Schneider were our Pope…..what a different and better world we would have if we had a Saintly man like Bishop Schneider sitting on the seat of St Peter.
He would be a brilliant Pope 😊
The Holy Spirit has Chosen Pope Francis as our current pope.
I have a friend who loves Medjugorje and has visited many times. After one of her visits she brought back a Rosary & Scapular for me. It was her enthusiastic faith that helped me return to the Catholic faith, that I had fallen away from. At the time, I didn’t know anything about Medjugorje, or the apparitions. After looking into the matter, I’m skeptical about the legitimacy of the apparitions and “the seers”. That said, anyplace were people gather in faith, can become a place of inspiration and miracles.
Did you come to back to the pre Vatican II Faith or the Post Vatican II Faith ?
This is an issue that nobody talks about
Converted to what ?
Council of Trent ?
Or
Vatican II
@@anguslean4058: While I support a more traditional position, I attend the Novus Ordo mass. I’m back at the Church of my Childhood and am loyal. I also happen to like the Pastor and the group of priests.
@@drvijil what I was getting at was that everything about Medgjugore was in support of V II and the charismatic movement
It’s why JP II and Benedict never put an end to it.
Satan likes V II and all it’s rotten fruits
He uses this to attract more people to this Ape of The Church.
It was prophesied that this would happen
Medgjugore is based on lies
The seers were liars from the beginning
Google - The stark truth about Medgjugore
You can read the facts for yourself.
I am traditional Catholic from 2020 from Mostar and that's around 25 kilometers from Medjugorje. Was many times in Medjugorje so I understand better then foreigners what's going on. I agree with all in this video. There are many miraculous there and also red flags. For me it's not important coz I become traditional Catholic and thinking different now from time when I was Novus Ordo Catholic. We need to stick Fatima. Stick to Tradition. All other what's going on will be revieled soon coz we all see in which direction all go from year 2020. If anyone have question about Medjugorje I am here to answer.
I visited in 1990 when it was a little more simple. I've always been close to Mother Mary but leave Medjugorje open to further definition from the church. Fatima, Garabandal, Akita make clear what is coming in this decade and next. The core message of Mary at Medjugorje is clear: Confession, Mass, rosary, prayer, sacrifices. You cant go wrong with that. Fiat! MIR & ZBOGOM
Međugorje is real - Garabandal and Fatima also - read NIGHT IN ZAGREB by author Adam Medvidović, its just written in a form of a novel
@anakalbo is bang on. I also know the place (and Mostar) very well. Long story. A very important thing that was overlooked by Bishop Schneider (who I think is fantastic) in his otherwise interesting comparison with Germany: the church HAS spoken clearly many times on Medugorje (against it), namely from the mouths of two very orthodox (and very Marian!!) Bishops of Mostar, who both also wrote very clearly and meticulously on the subject. The latter of the two was a particularly sound Bishop in my experience, very pastoral and patient. People need to understand the local situation there (disobedient Franciscans vs diocese). Having an apostolic administrator there from Rome undermines the authority of the church under the local bishop (sound familiar?!). Kennedy, the local Catholics ref to our lady as Gospa (which is a bit like saying our lady) and she supposedly appeared under the title queen of peace (kraljica Mira), which is a well established title (e.g. in the litany). @anakalbo I'm interested to know about traditional mass in Mostar, can you tell more about where/when/who offers it, etc please? It did not exist at all during the time I spent there.
Everything said at Fatima has and is coming true right up to today with the church hierarchy as well. Akira as well.
@@gregoriusmagnus9385 I am in Germany brother. Fulda Weimar Würzburg. I never heard there is TLM in BiH. Inace zivim I radim ovdje ali imas Split najblize TLM. Mislim da si Hrvat pa ako procitas ovo budemo u kontaktu jer znam gdje je TLM.
Stick with Jesus of Nazareth if you are a Christian. Let the memory of His mother be honored. But just stay at the cross. That is the only hill you need, Golgotha. Safer that way.
There is a hill in Medjugorje with cross. Krizevac. It points to Golgotha.
I have always been sceptical about these apparitions.
If tens of thousands gathered in your back yard, genuinely seeking God, and His help, He would pour our His grace upon them and there would be miracles.
The fact that there are signs and healing is because people gathered for God and His help, not because of the alleged apparition.
I believe that this is undeniably not a genuine apparition, there are many instances of irregularities and wrong doing for this to be of God
Father Shannon Collins has an excellent talk on this subject. He said it is not of God. That it is an evil deception. Father has excellent example's of why it is a deception.
That wily Satan!
Deceiving millions of people into attending mass, praying the Rosary, going to confession, fasting and adoring Jesus!
The person responsible for investigating an alleged supernatural event is the Bishop of the diocese. That is his responsibility. Both bishops in the diocese where Medjugojje I is located have declared that there is NO evidence for any supernatural event. They essentially declare that any claim that Mary was appearing, had absolutely no evidence, and it was false. There was also a study from Rome that also made the same findings. So in the end, we have that everyone who had the authority to investigate, and to make a declaration coming to the same conclusion, which is that there is no evidence for any supernatural event at Medjugorje. At one time, one of the bishops declared that faithful Catholics SHOULD NOT make a pilgrimage to Medjugorje because it was giving credence to something that was false. The “seers” have all become wealthy due to their “visions”. The Franciscans there have been blatantly disobedient to legitimate authority. For those who may disagree with be, show me the receipts as to where I am wrong.
What more do you need? A voice from the heavens?
One of the Saints said, I think it was Saint Teresa of Avila, that the devil will often fake humility, but never obedience. Disobedience in the face of legitimate authority is always a red flag.
That was a excellent summary
@@holdfast5332 BOTH bishops , the original Bishop and his successor declared there was no evidence , The commission in Rome, the only members who voted in favor were the Franciscan who have greatly profited from the whole affair.
After seeing the vanities of Ivan one of the major seers of medugorje .Not a believer at all in the alleged apparitions. Who ever got rich monetarily because our lady appeared to them in the past.
I had been in Medjugorje several times as a teenager and young adult with groups of the carismatic renewal and have a sibling that lives in a spiritual community founded in Medjugorje around the alleged apparitions. My parents also go there regularly. I only started to question all this when I started attending TLM and saw how critical the traditionalists are about Medjugorje. I read the book by Donal Foley (recommend it!) and came to the conclusion that nothing happening in MG was worth risking going there. MG adds nothing that I can't have in my hometown. Still, it pains me that my family is so uncritical about it. I wouldn't dare to say that it's surely false, because I don't want to offend our lady, if she really appeared there. But something definitely went wrong. In these demonic times we should be extra careful with so called apparitions. Saint John of the cross gives good advice about supernatural phenomena and how and why to keep a critical distance.
All you said about Medjugorje is true of Fatima and Lourds as well. Satan will do whatever it takes to undermine God's plans. Now if you applied the same critical eye to the Vatican what you find? Corruption. Sex abuse and massive cover ups. Would you recommend avoiding the Pope and the Vatican?
Oh dear. This explains why I feel so uncomfortable around the so called TLM movement. Rejection of prophecy in the face of its fruits is a sin against the Holy Spirit! Please be very careful. Visit the "Tom Medjugorje" youtube channel and watch at least three testimonies. After seeing them and still rejecting the fruits you need to get on your knees and pray very hard for true guidance from Jesus' Sacred Heart and Mary's Immaculate Heart.
Malachi Martin was very leery of Medjugorie as well
There’s a video on TH-cam where he’s asked about Medjugorje. People can look it up.
The reason I kept faithfully praying the Rosary and fasting for thirty years was because of the way in which Our Lady 's apparitions and messages at Medjugorje touched my life. Then I learned about Fátima, and integrated all Our Lady teached there to my Catholic life. But the good influence of the Medjugorje message in my life has been abiding.
Many people talk of the “good fruits” in Medjugorje, but what about the bad ones?
For example, how about the nuns who have gone to Medjugorje, and there they “discovered” that being a nun was not their true vocation, and have abandoned the convent or their religious house in pursuit of a “different vocation”…? And how about the innumerable disobediences to the bishops of Mostar since the beginning of the alleged apparitions?
We need to remember that the devil can disguise himself as an angel of light. We’ll always walk in a secure path if we are obedient to the Church, to the bishop who has the authority of discernment in this case, and we all know that no bishop of Mostar has approved these alleged apparitions, in fact, quite the opposite.
The devil can confuse us into the wrong vocation which includes incorrectly joining the priesthood or religious life, and it's not above God's grace and mercy to be given correction and become aware of your vocational mistake and follow God where he leads.
Thanks Kennedy for shedding light on this topic.GOD Bless Your Family 👍💐🙏➕📿🛐🔥📖🧡🕊🧡
People have conversions because “Wherever two or more are gathered in my name, I am there.” Going to a place with thousands of others seeking and sacraments is bound to lead to some conversion experience
I was a believer when this began. I went to see one of the seers here in Massachusetts. It was one of the male seers. He had an interpreter. I was so thrilled at the thought of Our Heavenly Mother appearing to him. He told us her message, when she appeared, only to him. I felt absolutely nothing and as a matter fact I found him to be not credible. I just dropped the whole thing and didn’t think much about it until years later. Now with the Internet available to us and my doing some more research on the matter, I found some videos which confirmed what I had felt years ago. And for those that want the truth search for it and you will find it. I was also fooled by the Faustina diary. I know now, that I do not have to follow any apparition to love our Lord and Our Heavenly Mother. I only believe, now, the apparitions that came before Vatican II.
I would like to think that God calls in unique ways. To think that someone's calling is going to mirror your own maybe an oversight on your part. Jesus did walk the planet, yet even he didn't draw all to him. Many Christians today seem to think they would have felt that tug then. I doubt it. Even his disciples questioned him and didn't always have faith. So, I suspect it is the same now. Some things are there for us to hear while some are not. Your discernment of things is just that. I suspect that God in his time and place will let you know if you were around for other calls, but didn't have the aptitude to listen. It is your deal if you choose to say it is real or not. I will refrain from doing that. To those who it is and draws them closer to God, it is what they needed. For those who didn't or don't, their call will be something else.
"DITTO"....THX
@@mgm153 I respect your decision to believe in this hoax, as for me, I’ve done my homework by praying and researching all the facts available to us to make a sound decision on these, so called, Seers. My discernment has concluded that they are fake. I’m not going to convince you, that’s not my job. Our Lord reminded us that many would be deceived by the devil. He is very cunning and can deceive even the elect. A good analogy is rat poison, which is 99% real food with 1% poison and we can see what happens to the rat. In other words, in order for the devil to convince us, he has to show us mostly truth. Just like the other hoax, Divine Mercy, there is nothing wrong with the prayers themselves, but the message that if one says these DM prayers for the dying they will be saved, is the deception. May God bless you in your discernment.
I personally think that it is not valid because I have heard from several sources things that don't make sense. I don't believe it is valid. The devil is the number one deceitful.
Definitely false
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I think it's false.
I think it's true.
I think it is a hoax😮😅
@@johnphelan8300 Sorry you think that.
@@johnphelan8300 hmmm
@@johnphelan8300 The Gospel is divisive.
" Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division; 52 for henceforth in one house there will be five divided, three against two and two against three;"
Luke 12:51
After watching the video and reading comments I see very clearly: division...not a good sign and not helpful to the Church that already is divided, not operating in the Peace of Christ.
Hi Kennedy, very interesting video on a controversial topic. As a girl I was fascinated by the apparitions of Medjugorie, I was happy that the Blessed Virgin appeared during my life, passing the years I realized that these apparitions were born in a particular political context, the Virgin speaks of everything and continuously, her speeches are impregnated with political correctness, it is an ecumenical message hers, According to these messages, Muslims or Catholics both possess the truth... I then read several articles by researchers who over the years have followed the Medjugorie phenomenon that affirm how the first apparitions, those that should be more truthful, had all the elements of a demonic apparition. I honestly wonder why the Blessed Virgin should appear for more than 40 years to say things all in all trivial, which anyone with a little good will could say ... And let's not talk about the secrets... even 10 secrets and then some different for each seer .... Is it possible that from this daily contact with the Blessed Virgin none of the visionaries felt the desire to consecrate themselves? All married? Marriage is a blessing but religious consecration is something more. What about their economic affairs linked to the uninterrupted flow of pilgrims? I do not know, I only say my opinion, but for me there is nothing supernatural in Medjugorie, indeed, a true exorcist should work on it.
Our Lady of Laus is the longest Marian Apparition at 54 Y-E-A-R-S!
MEDJUGORJE is at 42 years. WE are very blessed by these HOLY Apparitions.
FYI a Commission on MEDJUGORJE, established in 2010 by Pope Benedict XVI and chaired by Cardinal Camillo Ruini, voted 13-1 to CONFIRM the SUPERNATURAL ORIGIN of the first seven occurrences of the apparition. Commission members also voted to turning the town's parish Church of St. James into a PONTIFICAL SHRINE under HOLY SEE.
St. John Paul stated during his pontificate MEDJUGORJE was the answer to his prayers and the continuation of Fatima. Reference: Medjugorje, In St. John Paul’s Own Words
As for the 10 Secrets and the visionaries, NO ONE has said the secrets are different, because they have NOT BEEN REVEALED! ONLY Mirjana, the visionary, will be allowed to reveal them via a priest. READ UP on what Mirjana has factually stated regarding their appointed time and manner of revelation.
ALL Saints and visionaries throughout time are always met with small minded scrutiny and criticism: their economic standing, their position in life, etc. Judge NOT, less you condemn yourself in the process. BOTH SACRAMENTS: Holy Orders (life as a religious) and Matrimony are part of the 7 Catholic Sacraments. Only GOD is the JUST JUDGE of their merits as well as the souls chosen and assigned to them.
It is cynical to degrade the HOLY VIRGIN MARY’S messages at Medjugorje and nothing short of ignorance. Try reading: The Deep Connections Between St. John Paul, Medjugorje and Fatima.
Really, a little research and education is all you need and REVERENCE. Read up on the facts, and not speculation, regarding the Catholic Approved Apparitions and the HOLY VIRGIN MARY’S messages, their profound impact for each age and SPECIFIC time will astound you at their RELEVANCE. GOD has Gracefully Blessed us by ALLOWING the Apparitions over time, including at MEDJUGORJE, to navigate the challenges we face today and most importantly living in FAITH. The HOLY VIRGIN MARY is anointed by GOD. It is with HER Immaculate Heart of a Mother, SHE comes to us!
REFERENCE: The Many Faces Of Mary, A Love Story by Bob and Penny Lord
and obtain an accurate account on the Roman Catholic Church approved Marian Applications.
@@essiecortor9835 We are not required to adhere to any of the Mary apparitions, even those approved by the Church. It is a devotion that speaks to specific people only, and some speak more loudly than others. Any problems/challenges with the other apparitions to my knowledge were resolved relatively quickly, and the seers led very holy lives, died young, or had religious vocations for example. I began with thinking this was from God, but over time I've changed. You said that we are degrading Mary, but I disagree and think it's the seers themselves who over time have been degradig any possible message Mary might have initially given to them. Many are enabling them to continue, and this saddens me no end. There are atheists, agnostics, other religions, and most importantly fallen away Catholics who use this as an example of our supposedly 'superstitous" faith to denigrate all of us. Thank you for your opinion. It gave me the opportunity to think this through a bit more.
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DON’T thank me. I have nothing to do with your chosen ignorance of the Roman Catholic Faith. You alone must bear the weight of your error and pride! The fact you are solely basing your decision on your ability to “think it through” without scientific in-depth research and factual knowledge is egotistical at best . Of course, the Holy Church does NOT force anyone to believe; God has given us ALL FREE WILL. However, the day will come, and is fast approaching, when you will see for yourself with the indisputable facts given by GOD regarding our Heavenly Mother Mary’s apparitions, including Medjugorje, and you will finally come to the realization it is TRUE. The visionaries have undergone many psychological and scientific tests examinations resulting in the authenticity of the apparitions. Devotions are NOT “superstition” and meant for “some”, as you have arrogantly stated! Medjugorje as well as ALL other approved Roman Catholic Church apparitions are part of our MYSTICAL FAITH and have factually occurred throughout our Roman Catholic History. They are meant for ALL. FYI GOD IS MYSTICAL “+”. Your ignorance regarding our Faith is ASTOUNDING. (Reference: The Many Faces of Mary, A Love Story for factual history on all proven Marian Apparitions) Yet, you alone will have the RESPONSIBILITY for souls you have caused to further degrade our Heavenly Mother Mary’s Holy Messages given by the visionaries, which GOD has anointed. I will PRAY for your soul, obvious ignorance, and misguided use of your free will due to your arrogance. P.S. it is satan and his demons at work among “atheists, agnostics, other religions, and fallen away Catholics” as well as souls who rely on their ability “to think it through” and label GOD’s work in our Heavenly Mother Mary’s Roman Catholic approved apparitions as “superstitions”, as you have. Pray so the Holy Spirit may guide you with GOD’s WISDOM and KNOWLEDGE beyond your ability “to think it through.”
You must be kidding. You are talking about pride, arrogance, and my soul as if you have inner knowledge of me and of God working through me? God is my judge, not you! Yoou aren't even a confessor so stop your judging! You ignore free will, which God granted all of us, and our ability to think anything through with His help - as with discernment. You want to prove your case "scientifically" and say there are psychological reports and "scientific examinations", as if you stating them makes it so-but don't list any so we could check on your statements . I haven't seen or read of any, when they were completed and how often they are updated. Then you resort to 'mystical' for further proof, which is very different. You do know that God speaks to us in different ways. If these were authentic and there were no questions, it would have already been accepted or be close to being accepted. You are propounding this with anger and threats for something not yet approved. That tells me and others more about your level of maturity in our faith than I care to know. I agree with one thing you said about Satan, but your arrogance applying all of that to me is a lie and is egregious. That's as far as I'll go. I also pray for you on your journey.
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Lucille Jerome you are the one JUDGING our Heavenly Mother Mary’s Apparitions and completely ignoring the VATICAN’S CONFIRMATION AUTHENTICATING THE MEDJUGORJE APPARITIONS . Vatican voted 13-1 to CONFIRM the SUPERNATURAL ORIGIN of the first seven occurrences of the apparition, in a Commission on MEDJUGORJE established in 2010 by Pope Benedict XVI and chaired by Cardinal Camillo Ruiniin. The Commission members also voted to turning the town's parish Church of St. James into a PONTIFICAL SHRINE under HOLY SEE. There are many scientific tests performed on the visionaries proving their visions are authentic and valid! EDUCATE YOURSELF! Your IGNORANCE IS EVIDENT FOR EVERYONE TO SEE. I am NOT judging you, YOU ARE JUDGING YOURSELF, by your unfounded biased statements! These are NOT threats , but your GRAVE ARROGANT CONSEQUENCES by persisting in your ERROR AND WOUNDED PRIDE. MATURITY IN FAITH by your metrics relies on “thinking it through” and “your free will not to believe the Vatican’s confirmation of Medjugorje ,” REALLY NOW. P.S. You should go further and do a SINCERE AND COMPREHENSIVE SEARCH OF MEDJUGORJE AND RECKONING WITH YOUR EGO!
It's ridiculous to believe that just because a mass of people went to alleged sites of 'marian apparitions ' means that they would be approved in the future.
I think its false, I have no interests in Medjugorje. I knew from the first time I seen it online, it wasn't good.
Seen it online...
You saw a whole town online?
I believe it’s a distraction to take the focus off of Fatima.
So being asked to pray the rosary daily, attend the sacrament of reconciliation monthly, read Holy Scripture regularly, attend Holy Mass as often as possible, Pray before the Blessed sacrament as often as possible, fast on bread and water Wednesdays and Fridays. There has also numerous vocations being attributed to whats happening in Medjugorje as well as thousands of conversions and many healings but somehow this is a distraction. Please explain.
Indeed.
@@tomsvideos68Medjugorje is false period.
@@tomsvideos68as one holy priest observed, the devil is quite to “lose” a few souls to God for the greater achievement of perpetuating a colossal hoax upon Mother Church which will lead people away from Church discipline. We are told not to chase after unapproved mystics. When you set that direction aside you set yourself up as your own god.
@@tomsvideos68 1 How about complete disobedience to church authority.
2 The unheard of privilege of calling up the Queen of Heaven basically any
time or place on a whim.
3 Transcripts of the first apparitions are on record, their so off the wall that
Church officials won’t release them to the public.
4 The Gospa preaches heresy along with those recommendations of
daily mass attendance.
5 The Gospa also likes to claim all religion is equal before her and her son
making Christ mission kinda pointless.
6 The Gospa likes to recommend heretical writings like Poem of the Man
God, when’s she not busy defending them when their caught in lies.
7 Several poor souls have died listening to medical advice from seers.
8 The Gospa promise that all the seers would enter religious life, I guess
Our Lady was simply mistaken.
9 When asked for a sign the Lady said the peace she brought
to Yugoslavia was her sign, soon after a rather nasty civil war broke out.
Seems that little message was memory hole.
I could go on and on if you’d like! Instead check out a documentary call
Visions on demand, quite an eye opener.
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I almost bought into Medjugorie 14 years ago. Thank goodness Almighty God and Blessed Mother looking out for me.
Woke me up to truth about Medjugorie lies
Medjugorie from Hell
You are correct!
How did they wake you up ?
I have just spent a week in Medjugorje. The emotional, mental and spiritual healing I got there was life changing.
Years ago my father showed me something the apparition had said equating Islam and Catholicism. I knew right then it was false. There is no way the Blessed Virgin would think or say that, given that her own Son had founded the True Church.
Our Lady did not say this in Medugorje . What She said according to one of the visionaries is that we are all the children of God and her children no matter of what religion we are BUT she added this does not mean all religions are equal but we have to let God judge and not us …
@@nathaliemerheb7399is it catholic teaching that we are all children of God? Does being created by God equate to us being children of God?
If so, why is there a need to be born from above? To be born again?
@@nathaliemerheb7399 in response to her Allegedly saying that all of humanity are her children despite their religion, what are your thoughts on Gen 3 where we see the two groups of offspring of the enemy and of the woman and then in Rev 12, the last verse, we see who the children of the women identified as.
It seems that this statement of all of humanity being her children doesn't match up with whom Rev 12 says who are the children of the women whom the enemy makes war with.
@@nathaliemerheb7399You're making stuff up now. Please be truthful. Have you read the message because that is not what was said. What was said is
"Members of all faiths are equal before God. God rules over each faith just like a sovereign over his kingdom. In the world"
The messages of Fatima and Medugorje are very different. Also the 3rd secret was not revealed in its entirety but we do know the essence of what it speaks about thanks to several of those who have read it.
People say Medugorje must be true because Our Lady asks us to pray the rosary and fast etc
The devil is very very very cunning. He works in ways that are not obvious and it's in these times that he is most effective in his deceptions. He will give 99% truth and he will even take damage to his army in a strategic effort to either deceive many or to lead them into error.
Let me explain. Our Lady of Fatima (3rd secret unredacted version) Our Lady of good success, Our lady of Akita, Our lady of LaSallett, as well as prophecies from saints like Saint Padre Pio, Saint Francis of Assisi, Blessed Carherine Emmerich etc as well as Holy scripture ALL give the same or very similar message about these times. They speak of apostasy within the church, they speak of a doing away with the customs and traditions of the church (Vatican II/Novus Ordo) they speak of the Altars being replaced with tables, they speak of the last Pope or antipope being controlled by Satan, they speak of the passion of the church, of a counterfeit church, of profanation of the Eucharist, great compromise, that many Bishops and priests will be going to hell and leading many souls with them.
Medugorje unlike all these messages of our lady & prophecies of Saints & holy scripture itself does not speak of any of these things. In fact you could call Medugorje 'the novus ordo apparition'
Why would our lady cease to mention all these things that she was warning about for centuries and now when we're actually living in that time....the very time that she warned us about over and over... she all of a sudden doesn't mention any of it anymore!
In fact according to Medugorje everything is fine with the church, all the evil is outside of the church. This is false! It also leads many into believing the current novus ordo church is fine, and makes it more likely for people to fall into believing the heresies that are being promulgated.
On top of all this the so called seers of Medugorje lied multiple times. One of these lies was caught on camera and you can watch it yourself. And Our lady does not speak heresy yet according to medugorje our lady said God wills all religions! Also that the holiest person in medugorje was a Muslim! Heresy, lies. In fact its the same kind of false doctrine and heresy being promoted by Francis.
Medugorje is a diversion from the truth, a diabolical distraction that keeps millions of Catholics in delusion and distracts them from the true messages of our lady of Fatima and the authentic and church approved apparitions I mentioned above.
Literally everyone I know who defends "Pope" Francis and or who embraces modernism, ecumenism, who love the Novus Ordo all believe in Medugorje.
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This sounds like a world region, which is yet another proof why Bergoglio is a Marxist.
One world religion where we all “ be nice” to one another.
He has stated that every child on the planet should have the same curriculum!
There goes your history and standards.
Funny how Mary never mentions atrocities committed by Croatians in the region during WW II and the need to work for reconciliation among the people over there
"All religions are pleasing to my son"........ that's demonic.
@@holdfast5332 I researched it, you are correct holdfast5332. I am not touching MajorGorie with a ten foot pole. It's from the devil.
Strange demons who teach people to pray the rosary, and go back to Church !
Who said this?
@@andreegautier7772 th-cam.com/video/J5rdbdagSHo/w-d-xo.html
@@andreegautier7772 people can go to Mass and do sacriledge. You can make bad confessions and remain in mortal sin. Praying the Rosary and not follow the Commandments. Theyre desobedient to the bishop. Case closed.
Since a long time ago when i heard about it my intution told me it is a fake apparition. To me isn't true.
The Medjugorje seers have been making plenty of money on this for forty years living affluent lifestyles . You don’t have to go to Medjugorje for Confession , go to your local Church . Stick with Fatima , Akita , Lourdes, they are approved .
The visionaries have not made money from this. Stop believing the lies of the devil.
@@gerardk51 are you that naive
@@gg-33 Are you that obtuse?
An approved apparition in the US is Our Lady of Champion in Champion, WI.
But, ha, let's not go there ...
Always seemed odd to me that She would begin and end all messages with the same phrases. So unlike Her more natural way of speaking during approved visitations.
Highly recommend scholarly, sober book by Donal Foley which uncovers the political shennanigans which went on during the early days of the "apparitions" and how the local Franciscans controlled the "seers" and the "messages".
Thanks
Anyone truly striving to live a Catholic life doesn’t need the “Medjugorje message”. I opt not to believe it. Also, considering the “weird stuff” I hear about it I am afraid there could be a chance that this is a demonic event. Imagine when those “10 secrets” are revealed? Many of the people that today believe this is a true supernatural event will believe those secrets without considering whether the dogma of the faith is being contradicted
Also consider the Vatican has approved the first several visions of the Madonna as authentic and supernatural in origin.
It's an ongoing investigation as the apparitions are ongoing.
For the Vatican to come out with this rendering before an official investigation into all the interview s or message is by itself remarkable.
@@xtraordinairartist9469The messages of Fatima and Medugorje are very different. Also the 3rd secret was not revealed in its entirety but we do know the essence of what it speaks about thanks to several of those who have read it.
People say Medugorje must be true because Our Lady asks us to pray the rosary and fast etc
The devil is very very very cunning. He works in ways that are not obvious and it's in these times that he is most effective in his deceptions. He will give 99% truth and he will even take damage to his army in a strategic effort to either deceive many or to lead them into error.
Let me explain. Our Lady of Fatima (3rd secret unredacted version) Our Lady of good success, Our lady of Akita, Our lady of LaSallett, as well as prophecies from saints like Saint Padre Pio, Saint Francis of Assisi, Blessed Carherine Emmerich etc as well as Holy scripture ALL give the same or very similar message about these times. They speak of apostasy within the church, they speak of a doing away with the customs and traditions of the church (Vatican II/Novus Ordo) they speak of the Altars being replaced with tables, they speak of the last Pope or antipope being controlled by Satan, they speak of the passion of the church, of a counterfeit church, of profanation of the Eucharist, great compromise, that many Bishops and priests will be going to hell and leading many souls with them.
Medugorje unlike all these messages of our lady & prophecies of Saints & holy scripture itself does not speak of any of these things. In fact you could call Medugorje 'the novus ordo apparition'
Why would our lady cease to mention all these things that she was warning about for centuries and now when we're actually living in that time....the very time that she warned us about over and over... she all of a sudden doesn't mention any of it anymore!
In fact according to Medugorje everything is fine with the church, all the evil is outside of the church. This is false! It also leads many into believing the current novus ordo church is fine, and makes it more likely for people to fall into believing the heresies that are being promulgated.
On top of all this the so called seers of Medugorje lied multiple times. One of these lies was caught on camera and you can watch it yourself. And Our lady does not speak heresy yet according to medugorje our lady said God wills all religions! Also that the holiest person in medugorje was a Muslim! Heresy, lies. In fact its the same kind of false doctrine and heresy being promoted by Francis.
Medugorje is a diversion from the truth, a diabolical distraction that keeps millions of Catholics in delusion and distracts them from the true messages of our lady of Fatima and the authentic and church approved apparitions I mentioned above.
Literally everyone I know who defends "Pope" Francis and or who embraces modernism, ecumenism, who love the Novus Ordo all believe in Medugorje.
When I returned to the church in 1999 I decided to go on a pilgrimage to Fatima and Lourdes. The priest on the tour was Fr. Phillip Pavich. He was a confessor in Medj for several years and shared with us (in 2001) all that was very off about Medj... that he even thought it was diabolical. That firsthand info really impacted me and I have never ever had any desire to go to Medj.
I am from Africa and I've been there and I believe that our Blessed mother is definitely there. Unless you go and see for yourself then one can comment. Have any of you be there?
@@joyceuys4387 If you do some research from the late 80s and on you will find plenty of people who went there and then reported that it was a fake or even diabolical. So many are swept up in the supposed daily messages that they WANT to believe it is real. Do some research.
@@joyceuys4387 I've been the 2 times. It is wonderful!
@joyceuys4387 I have not ever been on the Moon but I know there is no chance for me to find a good life there. Same with Medjugorje.
@@gerardk51 Thank you Gerard, Mathew 11:25-30 I thank you Lord of heaven and earth........ I have never seen confession queues so long confessions till about midnight priests sitting in the confessional for 13 hours. All you learned go there and see for yourself
The problem with Medjugorje is that it generates division. Violent, aggressive division; even resentment. That doesn't sound like Our Lady's style.
Well the violent, aggressive division doesn't come from those who visit Medjugorje. What does that tell you?
My mother was really into it back in the late nineties. And even did a trip over there with my autistic brother. She followed it for years and tried to promote it. I took an interest but saw every message seemed to be the same. I couldn’t understand why Our Lady would keep appearing saying not much really. I also thought it odd that in other apparitions, the children grew up and sought to live cloistered lives or become priests. These guys had more of the rockstar following. Even before I understood anything about approved apparitions, I had my doubts. It also concerned me that her five daily stones to defeat Satan didn’t include the obligatory mass. 🤔
Yes they didn’t include the Holy Mass!
One of the 5 daily stones is the reception of the Eucharist so it does include the mass.
Do you know what happened to the Fatima seer Sr. LUCIA DE SANTOS who became a cloistered nun???? Nobody knows what happened to her. She was replaced with an imposter.
The messages are repeated because our Blessed Mother has only one thing to say.... Convert before it's too late.
The 10 secrets given to the seers will be revealed when it's time to reveal them. Ave Maria. God bless.
@@pme5857The messages of Fatima and Medugorje are very different. Also the 3rd secret was not revealed in its entirety but we do know the essence of what it speaks about thanks to several of those who have read it.
People say Medugorje must be true because Our Lady asks us to pray the rosary and fast etc
The devil is very very very cunning. He works in ways that are not obvious and it's in these times that he is most effective in his deceptions. He will give 99% truth and he will even take damage to his army in a strategic effort to either deceive many or to lead them into error.
Let me explain. Our Lady of Fatima (3rd secret unredacted version) Our Lady of good success, Our lady of Akita, Our lady of LaSallett, as well as prophecies from saints like Saint Padre Pio, Saint Francis of Assisi, Blessed Carherine Emmerich etc as well as Holy scripture ALL give the same or very similar message about these times. They speak of apostasy within the church, they speak of a doing away with the customs and traditions of the church (Vatican II/Novus Ordo) they speak of the Altars being replaced with tables, they speak of the last Pope or antipope being controlled by Satan, they speak of the passion of the church, of a counterfeit church, of profanation of the Eucharist, great compromise, that many Bishops and priests will be going to hell and leading many souls with them.
Medugorje unlike all these messages of our lady & prophecies of Saints & holy scripture itself does not speak of any of these things. In fact you could call Medugorje 'the novus ordo apparition'
Why would our lady cease to mention all these things that she was warning about for centuries and now when we're actually living in that time....the very time that she warned us about over and over... she all of a sudden doesn't mention any of it anymore!
In fact according to Medugorje everything is fine with the church, all the evil is outside of the church. This is false! It also leads many into believing the current novus ordo church is fine, and makes it more likely for people to fall into believing the heresies that are being promulgated.
On top of all this the so called seers of Medugorje lied multiple times. One of these lies was caught on camera and you can watch it yourself. And Our lady does not speak heresy yet according to medugorje our lady said God wills all religions! Also that the holiest person in medugorje was a Muslim! Heresy, lies. In fact its the same kind of false doctrine and heresy being promoted by Francis.
Medugorje is a diversion from the truth, a diabolical distraction that keeps millions of Catholics in delusion and distracts them from the true messages of our lady of Fatima and the authentic and church approved apparitions I mentioned above.
Literally everyone I know who defends "Pope" Francis and or who embraces modernism, ecumenism, who love the Novus Ordo all believe in Medugorje.
Our blessed Mother gives the same message because we do not change. She is asking us to pray,pray, pray. To do confess and do penance, to fast. She wants us to be saved, which is why the message does not change.
Have any of the seers entered into the priesthood or convent? Have they profited financially from this? Legitimately asking. Not familiar with the seers.
No. Not one vocation but at least one of the original seers who had charged EWTN for appearing at an event, supposedly disavowed the apparition. I think it’s the guy who now lives in the US. There were many times in the early years when the seers and the Franciscans were attempting to monetize their stories. Eventually they just decided to defy the bishop. One of the original Franciscans impregnated a local nun and they both got kicked out of their orders and now live in Italy. Various Medj apologists claim that JP2 and Benedict “privately supported” the apparitions but sources close to both have strenuously denied these common claims along with the one that claims exorcist Fr. Amorth supported them. There are so many lies told by the Medjugorje machine that it’s impossible to catalog them all. They take advantage of people who desperately want to believe and see something amazing.
The bishop of the diocese didn’t tolerate them like those other two instances he mentions
Fr Collins put it simple enough, where’s Our Lady’s heel? No heel, no apparition.
What’s terrible is our local Catholic radio advertises pilgrimages to this place. The local Archdiocese newspaper also allows some lady to advertise a pilgrimage tour for $2500. Now I want to email them both and point out the obvious. Not Vatican approved. Not official.
You are wrong. Pilgrimages to Medjugorje have been approved. No final decision of the events have been made because it is still ongoing.
I dont believe it the more im learning about the true Catholic faith im being careful now. Even the devotion to divine mercy which i once very devoted.
I hope Kennedy youll also do a podcast on the history of divine mercy.
I first came across st charbel in Medjugorje his picture is almost everywhere there. In shops, restaurants, stores.
I didn't know who he was until I inquired since I saw it everywhere I went.
Holiness is also viewed as conflicting. Jesus was viewed as a Satanist by the religious rulers as were the apostles. Yet God called the Jews who killed his followers sons of Satan.
The devil wants to keep his own and cause discord. You may not know much about Medjugorje but you can follow it's main message of being an ardent Catholic.
@@xtraordinairartist9469 The messages of Fatima and Medugorje are very different. Also the 3rd secret was not revealed in its entirety but we do know the essence of what it speaks about thanks to several of those who have read it.
People say Medugorje must be true because Our Lady asks us to pray the rosary and fast etc
The devil is very very very cunning. He works in ways that are not obvious and it's in these times that he is most effective in his deceptions. He will give 99% truth and he will even take damage to his army in a strategic effort to either deceive many or to lead them into error.
Let me explain. Our Lady of Fatima (3rd secret unredacted version) Our Lady of good success, Our lady of Akita, Our lady of LaSallett, as well as prophecies from saints like Saint Padre Pio, Saint Francis of Assisi, Blessed Carherine Emmerich etc as well as Holy scripture ALL give the same or very similar message about these times. They speak of apostasy within the church, they speak of a doing away with the customs and traditions of the church (Vatican II/Novus Ordo) they speak of the Altars being replaced with tables, they speak of the last Pope or antipope being controlled by Satan, they speak of the passion of the church, of a counterfeit church, of profanation of the Eucharist, great compromise, that many Bishops and priests will be going to hell and leading many souls with them.
Medugorje unlike all these messages of our lady & prophecies of Saints & holy scripture itself does not speak of any of these things. In fact you could call Medugorje 'the novus ordo apparition'
Why would our lady cease to mention all these things that she was warning about for centuries and now when we're actually living in that time....the very time that she warned us about over and over... she all of a sudden doesn't mention any of it anymore!
In fact according to Medugorje everything is fine with the church, all the evil is outside of the church. This is false! It also leads many into believing the current novus ordo church is fine, and makes it more likely for people to fall into believing the heresies that are being promulgated.
On top of all this the so called seers of Medugorje lied multiple times. One of these lies was caught on camera and you can watch it yourself. And Our lady does not speak heresy yet according to medugorje our lady said God wills all religions! Also that the holiest person in medugorje was a Muslim! Heresy, lies. In fact its the same kind of false doctrine and heresy being promoted by Francis.
Medugorje is a diversion from the truth, a diabolical distraction that keeps millions of Catholics in delusion and distracts them from the true messages of our lady of Fatima and the authentic and church approved apparitions I mentioned above.
Literally everyone I know who defends "Pope" Francis and or who embraces modernism, ecumenism, who love the Novus Ordo all believe in Medugorje.
why you doubt in Divine Mercy?
@@CC-cr1oz because it was condemned by multiple Pope's pre Vatican II.... It has similarities to Medj in that it distracts from the true messages and devotions in this case to the sacred heart devotion which in many cases was set aside and replaced with this new divine mercy devotion... Theres nothing theologically wrong with the divine mercy chaplet but its the messages that Sr Faustina Divine gave that gave severe concern to Popes in the pastcwho actually banned her writings. Feel free to research this. Divine mercy focuses solely on God's mercy (which is true) but it gives little emphasis on the need to repent of our sins and do penance. It says little or nothing of the divine justice, God's wrath and the punishment for our sins if we don't repent. Also the sacred heart shows the wounded heart of christ crowned with thorns on fire with love for us. It shows how christ suffers for us. Divine mercy is almost a counterfeit Sacred heart without the heart and blood and open wounds but instead light beams.
@@CC-cr1oz find out the history of divine mercy it's ok for private devotion. I'm sorry
but real story behind it just do your own research you don't have to take my word for it.
Measured and reasoned approach, which follows how the church historically has treated these events. I remember as a young boy about the alleged apparitions in Bayside Queens in NYC and how the church's investigation came to judge on them as false. It happened relatively quickly and this was good for the lives of the faithful to avoid them. Some apparitions are less obvious, like those in Germany and Croatia. So the approach is also reasoned and very valid.
Anyone who is familiar with the Bayside, Queens, incident, and has read material on the messages themselves, can quickly see the holes.
A measured approach IS best…..Our Lady we always carry in our heart and we have the approved apparitions…..there is the rosary and many beautiful devotions…..someone brought this up the CONSECRATION at mass is THE miracle we attend EVERY Sunday….
To all the people rambling on about their “conversions” and “miracles “ and about all the confessions, masses, and rosaries: what does any of that matter if the devil ultimately gets you in the end? Would you leave the Church if Medjugorje was condemned? A priest friend of mine told me that one of the reasons that it was never condemned by the Vatican is because much of the church in Ireland and other parts of the world would be lost. Does that sound like good fruits to you? These people are more attached to the “apparition” than to the Church. Did we forget that the local bishop was kidnapped and held against his will because of his statement that nothing supernatural was going on there? Or that the spiritual director of the seers was laicized for sexual crimes? How about the fact that one of the male seers married miss Massachusetts and lives in a mansion now? What a saint! Chapels erected without permission? Yep, we got that. recommendations to read books that were on the index? Got that too. Caritas in Birmingham milking people for money and building mansions? Yes sir. Please, I beg you all to stop believing this nonsense. Your subjective experiences are irrelevant. I know many a baptist who will tell you they “feel” the Holy Spirit too. Obviously, being outside the Church, the do not have the Holy Spirit, and neither does this awful “apparition.”
This has nothing to do with Our Lady only about human weakness which we all have
@@livinginthelight333 According to the supporters of Medjugorje, we know that it is a legitimate apparition because of all the good fruits. I was simply pointing out all the bad fruits that challenge that theory.
Our lady is not an alchemist.
If you can't find deeper faith in the Tabernacle of your local parish then spending money on travel may not bring you closer to Christ. Most if not all the people that I know that have gone to the place in question here will never even think of praying at an abortion clinic for 15 minutes, that tells me all I need to know.
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Well said.
I beg to differ. I was very active in prolife work before Medjugorje. I met a woman our last trip to Medjugorje that was part of the group 40 days for life in California passing out prolife pins. My husband and I came back from Medjugorje the first time and restarted Daily Adoration in our small rural parish. Our last trip I felt called to become a Eucharistic Minister to our shut-ins. When we went the first time, I thought I was just checking Medjugorje off my list. Even tacked it onto our Holy Land pilgrimage to save money. I prayed on that short 3 day stay that if Our Lady had anything to convey to me that I was open. It wasn't until we got home that Her gift came to me. An AMAZING feeling beyond anything I had ever experienced before...I knew it could only be a taste of Heaven. My faith has never been stronger. One of the visionaries' mission is to pray for all those who do not know God's love yet, a beautiful prayer intention that is way up there in my prayer list. There are so many in the world that fit in that category in today's world. 😢 It is so sad to me that there are so many opinions against Medjugorje from people that have not been there with an open heart and leaving all expectations aside. Our Lady has gifted all those willing to listen to her last directive in the New Testament "Do whatever He tells you." Experiencing the deep faith of so many pilgrims in Medjugorje is such a profound blessing. Worshipping together, there is nothing like it anywhere else that I have experienced! You can't help but come back saddened to see the lackadaisical participation in Holy Mass in one's own parishes. It has you praying for those in your own parish (for those that do not know God's love yet). Our Lady, Queen of Peace, pray for us!
@@debbiefinton8774 Wow! You really fell for these lies hook line and sinker!😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫
@@holdfast5332 I don’t need to travel to a fake apparition site to have my faith strengthened.
Well, we just don't know. And I will continue to wait to find out. But I think if it's false, then God took control of the situation and turned it into a beautiful pilgrimage place for worship and conversion. I love watching the interviews and videos from their yearly world youth celebration and it's emotional how beautiful it is. I have never been there but I have met Ivan and he seemed very humble, gracious, patient and kind. I do personally know of 2 miracles from Medjugorie. It's so hard for me to think it's not authentic. I read My Heart Will Triumph and it reinforced my thoughts that it's true. We should pray for discernment.
Geopolitics has been front and center in the Church since Fatima and I find it intriguing that EMJ contacted a former member of the CIA and tacitly admitted that the CIA was interested in Medjugorje for those reasons. Also, it’s suspicious of the Vatican in its timing that just one month after JPIIs assassination attempt on May 13, 1981, attempting to signal the “fulfillment” of the third secret of Fatima so devotees would cease following it and instead follow Medjugorje. The “Fatimites” they called them were causing all kinds of problems for the traitors in the Vatican. It leads one to think they feared Fatima because of its genuine prophecies.
Very interesting.
CIA was helping fund... like, WHY ?
@@tinadavy3990A power and money grab that is so huge and a mission to destroy the Church as the moral voice to the world, which makes it a threat to nefarious governments that are anti-God (and thus moved by Satan himself). The CIA has been usurping power around the world since WWII. President Truman even warned the country of its unchecked and unaccountable power to start wars, assassinate presidents (our own too) and topple governments.
20+ years ago after reviewing and looking into Medjugorje, it seems to be false by my humble estimation. Per my lapsed knowledge ... the local bishop denied promulgation yet they ignored the bishop; it lacks the character of approved apparitions; in real apparitions, heaven comes to earth and its generally transforming yet the visionaries are rather rich and worldly; there have been numerous allegations about behaviours and things said that are contrary to the faith. Any good Catholic can entirely live without Medjugorje
I agree.
As we saw in the 1998 Vatican CDF statement on Medjugorje, the present local bishop's personal stance against Medjugorje is not the official position of the Church, and therefore it is most legitimate for a member of the Church to have personal belief in Medjugorje's authenticity until the Church completes its final evaluation. This permission, once again, is granted by the authoritative teaching of the Holy See and the former Yugoslavian Bishops’ 1991 statement. The permission to personally believe in Medjugorje would of course include any of the Franciscan priests in Medjugorje who choose to give their own personal assent to the apparitions. To claim, therefore, that some Franciscan priests are acting in “disobedience” to the local bishop because some may believe in Medjugorje would be a misunderstanding of the official Vatican and ex-Yugoslavian bishops’ statement which makes provision within the lines of full Church obedience for personal belief in the apparitions. The unofficial, personally negative opinion of the local bishop does not bind any member of his diocese or Catholic individual elsewhere to follow his own personal opinion. Beyond the issue of belief in Medjugorje's authenticity, there is not a single documented account of any direct act of disobedience to a canonically legitimate directive from the local bishop by the Franciscan priests at St. James Parish. Although there have been tensions historically between the local ordinary and the Franciscan Order of this region regarding issues such as parish assignments and custodianship, these issues are entirely irrelevant to the present issue of obedience to the local bishop by the Franciscans at St. James Parish. Technically speaking, if there had been some acts of disobedience by the local Franciscans, as gravely wrong as this would be in itself, it would not necessarily in itself discount the possibility of authentic apparitions from the Blessed Virgin Mary to the six visionaries. Only with an individual priest who had an immediate relation or effect on the visionaries, for example as a spiritual director, could an issue of disobedience play a relevant role in the discernment of the apparitions themselves. An appropriate Church investigation examines the issue of authenticity based on the moral integrity of the visionaries themselves along with other legitimate intrinsic criteria, and not upon those who may be only geographically close to the reported event. Moreover, any reports of disobedience to the bishop by Franciscan priests from surrounding parishes should immediately be ruled out as irrelevant, just as it would be inappropriate to accuse a priest from a particular parish of wrongdoing or disobedience based upon a report of inappropriateness or disobedience concerning another parish priest from his surrounding area or diocese.
@@joannevos6321With all due respect youre being naive. Satan will give 99% truth and he will even take a hit to either deceive many or to lead them into error. Let me explain. Our Lady of Fatima (3rd secret unredacted version) Our Lady of good success, Our lady of Akita, Our lady of LaSallett, as well as prophecies from saints like Saint Padre Pio, Saint Francis of Assisi, Blessed Carherine Emmerich etc as well as Holy scripture ALL give the same or very similar message about these times. They speak of apostasy within the church, they speak of a doing away with the customs and traditions of the church (Vatican II/Novus Ordo) they speak of the Altars being replaced with tables, they speak of the last Pope or antipope being controlled by Satan, they speak of the passion of the church, of a counterfeit church, of profanation of the Eucharist, great compromise, that many Bishops and priests will be going to hell and leading many souls with them.
Medugorje unlike all these messages of our lady & prophecies of Saints & holy scripture itself does not speak of any of these things. In fact you could call Medugorje 'the novus ordo apparition'
Why would our lady cease to mention all these things that she was warning about for centuries and now when we're actually living in that time that she warned us about she all of a sudden doesn't mention any of it? In fact according to Medugorje everything is fine with the church, all the evil is outside of the church. This is false! It also leads many into believing the current novus ordo church is fine, and makes it more likely for people to fall into believing the heresies that are being promulgated.
On top of all this the so called seers of Medugorje lied multiple times. One of these lies was caught on camera and you can watch it yourself. And Our lady does not speak heresy yet according to medugorje our lady said God wills all religions! Also that the holiest person in medugorje was a Muslim! Heresy, lies. In fact its the same kind of false doctrine and heresy being promoted by Francis.
Medugorje is a diversion from the truth, a diabolical distraction that keeps millions of Catholics in delusion and distracts them from the true messages of our lady of Fatima and the authentic and church approved apparitions I mentioned above.
The last sentence of your post sums up anything a Catholic needs to know in regards to Medjugorje. A miracle occurs at every Mass, but how many carry on as if it doesn't, or it's not a big deal. If Catholics could truly see what really happens on a supernatural level during the Holy Sacrifices of the Mass, there would not be pressing need nor yearning to flock to mountain tops in distant lands in order to satisfy their spiritual fix.
Any good , devout Roman Catholic can live without any apparitions, approved or not. We have all we need in Holy mother Church herself , perhaps the only gift that really matters is the blessed Sacrament - Jesus Christ Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity.
As to chasing after Apparitions, the same can be said of all Catholic Podcasters. The deluge is overwhelming and many have no qualms of calling out each other and openly disparaging each other's information. You cannot argue the devil's influence there either. We would all do well to meditate on 1 Peter 5:8
That place is a false apparition
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Kennedy, look up E Michael Jones on this one. I hope you do.
Get the books of Donal Anthony Foley who has researched all the backgrounds of the seers and the inconsistencies in the original stories and how they met to iron out the problems in their claims after the bishop ruled there was nothing supernatural happening there. The early footage is really damning. They claim the “gospa” is metallic in early versions for instance, and that the Virgin was about to drop Baby Jesus.
@@rosezingleman5007 Another very good book on the subject.
This is absolutely fale. Please don't follow it and look upon suspicion anyone who propogates it.
I went to Medjugorje and realized the holiness of the place is due to the number of confessions heard and the number of masses said there. Maranatha 🙏🌹🕊✝🛐
Any discussion of alleged apparitions should always reference paragraphs 66 and 67 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. alleged apparitions, even if "approved" by the Church (which means by the local bishop, as I understand it) are NOT part of the deposit of faith and a Catholic is NOT required to give assent to it. As the CCC says, you can't improve on the general revelation in the Bible. Another unspoken thing about private revelations is that they are big money makers - somebody is always making a lot of money off of them, for example, the local vendors and hotels where 'pilgrims' are rushing. This was already happening with that nun whose body was found and unofficially declared as incorrupt - hundreds of people were rushing there to see, to touch, to pray. Hey, wake up, we have Jesus in every tabernacle in every Catholic church - THAT's my pilgrimage and there is nothing better on than that.
Keep your pure faith. I am not a catholic member, but I love Jesus, and I love the pure Catholic Church that you represent in your comment. God bless you.
Always follow the seers and their lives. Bernadette of Lourdes and Sr Lucia became devout nuns. The med seers and many close to them profited big time. One even married Miss Massachusetts!! That’s not very pious.
Milion people are blind and deaf but they can see and hear..definition: dumb people
I have traveled to Medugorje four times, meeting with Mirjana, a visionary, each time. It is a wonderful, holy place! As a result, my wife and I are reading the Bible daily, praying the full Rosary, going to Mass and Confession and fasting (I’m still challenged by the fasting). Of course,the Holy See won’t decide now as the visions are continuing. Bishop Schneider did not present a contrary opinion. God bless you. 🙏
I have been to Medugorje several times in the 2000's.
The messages of Fatima and Medugorje are very different. It's important to note that the 3rd secret was not revealed in its entirety... but we do know the essence of what it speaks about thanks to several of those who have read it.
People say Medugorje must be true because Our Lady asks us to pray the rosary and fast etc
The devil is very very very cunning. He works in ways that are not obvious and it's in these times that he is most effective in his deceptions. He will give 99% truth and he will even take damage to his army in a strategic effort to either deceive many or to lead them into error.
Let me explain. Our Lady of Fatima (3rd secret unredacted version) Our Lady of good success, Our lady of Akita, Our lady of LaSallett, as well as prophecies from saints like Saint Padre Pio, Saint Francis of Assisi, Blessed Carherine Emmerich etc as well as Holy scripture ALL give the same or very similar message about these times. They speak of apostasy within the church, they speak of a doing away with the customs and traditions of the church (Vatican II/Novus Ordo) they speak of the Altars being replaced with tables, they speak of the last Pope or antipope being controlled by Satan, they speak of the passion of the church, of a counterfeit church, of profanation of the Eucharist, great compromise, that many Bishops and priests will be going to hell and leading many souls with them.
Medugorje unlike all these messages of our lady & prophecies of Saints & holy scripture itself does not speak of any of these things. In fact you could call Medugorje 'the novus ordo apparition'
Why would our lady cease to mention all these things that she was warning about for centuries and now when we're actually living in that time....the very time that she warned us about over and over... she all of a sudden doesn't mention any of it anymore!
In fact according to Medugorje everything is fine with the church, all the evil is outside of the church. This is false! It also leads many into believing the current novus ordo church is fine, and makes it more likely for people to fall into believing the heresies that are being promulgated.
On top of all this the so called seers of Medugorje lied multiple times. One of these lies was caught on camera and you can watch it yourself. And Our lady does not speak heresy yet according to medugorje our lady said God wills all religions! In 1981one of the medugorje messages was
"Members of all faiths are equal before God. God rules over each faith just like a sovereign over his kingdom. In the world" HERESY!
Also that the holiest person in medugorje was a MUSLIM...More Heresy....lies. In fact its the same kind of false doctrine and heresy being promoted by Francis.
Medugorje is a diversion from the truth, a diabolical distraction that keeps millions of Catholics in delusion and distracts them from the true messages of our lady of Fatima and the authentic and church approved apparitions I mentioned above.
Literally everyone I know who defends "Pope" Francis and or who embraces modernism, ecumenism, who love the Novus Ordo all believe in Medugorje.
@@rickdowning4566that’s a blatant lie. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt of ignorance.
You think Medugorje invented fasting and rosary?
No wonder our Lady comes weeping so few believe her apparitions. Some day they will believe but it will be too late. How sad!! Blessed Mother comes to her children to beg for their conversion because so many souls are list and on the road to perdition. She once said in Medjugore, " Little children you talk much but pray little", Our Lady IS appearing at Medjugore and many graces are being offered by Heaven but perhaps we have too much pride to discern the Truth.
I’ve visited there once in the 90’s. I believe it’s authentic but will wait until the Church approves. Same with SSPX.
Oh, and when I got back to the states my miraculous medal was solid gold in color.
The wheat and chaff will be separated in the end.
The SSPX was approved by the Church from day one. Don't be deceived.
@@timthunell2685 NOT ... SSPX is not in full communion with Rome, not submissive to the Holy See. Not Catholic. Hopefully that will change one day.
@@mikebingham976 INCORRECT. Read Kennedy's book. You have been deceived by the evil one.
@mikebingham976 Also, show us the official binding doctrine of "partial communion ". We'll be waiting.
@@mikebingham976 its Rome that aint Catholic not the SSPX
Just a money making scam