I've been a Ford man all of my 65 years. My Dad bought a brand new Ford every year from 1937-73. He passed away in '73. For '58 Dad had a Fairlane 500 Club Victoria (1 of 35,509 mfd.) with an Interceptor Special Series "H" 352cid, a 4bbl Holley carb and Cruise-O-Matic. It produced 300 HP with a 10.2:1 compression ratio. It was Palomino Tan over Colonial White. Base price was $2,435.00. And these cars were built better than today's plasto-cars. You can't even buy a front clip for that today.
Imagine being mr. Ferrari and hearing that two bays down and trying to determine just how bad of an ass whipping you were going to get on the track that day 🤠🖕🥇
*Earl Wade of Dyno Don Nicholson Fame spent so much time with the Cammer that he got Cam Timing down to a Science. Doing repeated Full Power Pulls after Changing the Timing will tell where they should be set at to achieve maximum power at Full Throttle, and of course actual racing.*
The most awesome automotive engine ever made! From what I understand during the '64/'65 Nascar time trials the 427 SOHC (Hemi) ran away from everybody and Chrysler and Chevy cried a hissy fit to Nascar and Bill France said no OHC engines?! Can you imagine the potential that engine had! The SOHC did get accepted into drag racing, Dyno Don Nicholson in his funny car Comet and Connie Kalitta in his Bounty Hunter rail to name a few. Ed Pink, Holman and Moody, Stroppe, etc. were some of the builders. In '69 Ford came out with another Hemi the Boss 429 which got accepted into NASCAR and went head to head with Chrysler's 426 Hemi. Woods Bros Mercury, David Pearson in a Torino, Bud Moore etc. As great as the Boss 429 turned out to be, for raw power that 427 SOHC had a certain mystique and legend!
And actually the Boss 429s ended up being so uncompetitive that one of the two Boss 429 Cougars built immediately had the motor pulled and replaced with a 427 Cammer. Actually that might've been Dyno Don's car
Evan B The eggheads at Ford had a real brain cramp when they scratched the SOHC for the Boss 429, that was a step backward. I think they were on drugs when they did this.
They did extremely well in drag racing. Builder Ed Pink put several of them in the best cars of the era - including Prudhomme's fuel cars. Kalitta ran them as well in the Bounty Hunter rail. Nicholson used one in his early Pro Stock efforts.
One of the problems with using the engine for Drag Racing was that the engine was actually developed for Nascar which means the engine had to conserve fuel for a 500 mile race as well as develop power, therefore extra large valves that you would find in Drag Racing engines were not used in this engine. Also OHC engines are not easily torn down between rounds. Earl Wade of Dyno Don Nicholson fame built my Cammer and in the 60's won 33 match races in a row running an Unblown, Injected Cammer on Nitro turning 8.10-8.20's
kieffer davis I had one and sold it and the car it was in. Another problem with these engines was weight, my Cast Iron Engine, Block and Heads, weighed in at a whopping 720 pounds.
+Barry R ----- And Mickey Thompson/danny Ongais in funny car, George Montgomery in AA/GS....the Cammers forced Chrysler Hemi teams to go to aftermarket blocks and heads to win, and only when Ford stopped making them did the Hemi come creeping back in. If Bill France hadn't been paid by Chrysler to outlaw the cammer...then NASCAR would have continued to be a Ford runaway. Ford wedge 427's won ALL the nascar championships until the winged superbirds and daytonas came out.
The 427 Cammer is a simply awesome engine. Congrats on your build and great result. The new Coyote platform is the modern day Cammer producing 412 HP from a 5.0L. I look forward to the day when they can stroke it out to 427 cu and fit those big cams in it like its predecessor. What an engine that would be.
I wish NASCAR would do away with many of its stupid outdated rules and let the manufacturers really open it up with engine design again. Could you imagine watching a NASCAR race with LSs vs Gen 3 Hemis, vs Coyotes vs whatever Toyota decided to try? Haha. Thatd be amazing
@@wood4278 I think you and the previous comment missed the circumstances of my post. I was talking about Nascar, in which a 2JZ would have to be N/A, in which case it wouldn't even come close to being competitive. Also my post was saying I wanted to see street motors used and Toyota doesn't have a street V8 that can compete with the likes of what Chevy, Ford or Dodge have at the moment. The whole point of the post was throwing shade at the fact that Nascar completely changed their rules, doing away with street motors for custom race motors so Toyota could enter without entering with an extremely uncompetitive truck motor So now that all of that is cleared up..yes..*clears throat*.. haha indeed. Lol
@@thelaborpeasant Nascar been horrible to me...back in the 70's and and 80's when it was real street cars racing and not so many rules but everything is like that now that's why I'm enjoying my 1000+ horsepower Mustang while I can before they come and take our Muscle cars out of our garages
I remember a 65 Chevelle, and a 66 Mustang running those axles. I think you are right about the fuel. Pretty awesome technoligy ! I looked up the history of the axles in google about five years ago. I think I will try and find it again. In 64, I was 12 yrs old, and went to Washington DC with my cousin and his parents. While we were at a drive in - cruise in hamburger Restaurant, a guy drives through in a 64 Galaxie 500 xl with a teardrop hood, Cragars, and a 427 SOHC in it. It was AWESOME.!!
can you imagine if ford actually used these in nascar? Its too bad the rules were bent in favor to GM/Chrysler. It just shows who the better manufacture really is.
If I'm correct I believe these were the Grandfather to Fords Modular Motors. The SOHC FE's lead the way in R&D as it were. You can see a lot of the heritage in the basic layout of the current 5.0L Coyote. Ford Racing even still uses the Cammer name to this day. Only on the Coyote platform now. Love Ford heritage. :)
One can currently buy a Mustang with a 660hp supercharged coyote. That might be about the same as this since that's SAE net hp, while this 870 is gross. Of course it's not a fare comparison, since this isn't supercharged.
with a big block , you 400ft/p of torq at idle , you don't get that "Seat of the Pant" feeling with a small block, and a good big block hits hard at any rpm
Both very good questions. SOHC means Single OverHead Cam. There is a camshaft in each of the heads to operate the valves - as opposed to the system of one camshaft in the center of the block that operates the valves via pushrods and rocker arms. Almost all modern car engines use 1 or 2 cams - SOHC or DOHC in the head. This was very new technology to american engines when introduced in 1965. It was a racing engine, never installed in a car you could buy at the dealer.
Allen I am really not sure what a Nelson or Sonny's Pro Mod engine has to do with a naturally aspirated pump gas fueled vintage Cammer? You might as well compare it to a Top Fuel engine or an F-14 jet. I could remove your post as advertising Spam - but I will leave it up as an example of somebody who simply does not "get it".
The reason for the hoc design is simple. Push rods have to move long rocker arms at high rpms to move big valves in the hemi head. An ohc moves much smaller r-arms and those arms can move even bigger valves at higher rpms. Ford and Chrysler have always been ages ahead of GM in race tech. But GMs money talks. Hence no ohc in NASCAR.
I’m a Chevy guy, but love all cars , especially muscle cars.. I do love these engines!!.. That sounds great!! Those cobra jet big blocks were also a powerhouse… I’d love to have a nice Grand Torino or something with either one of those engines in it.. Lol as I’m sure everyone here and beyond would haha!!!…
@Rob Trubiano -He went drag racing(in 1965,due to Chrysler pulling out of Nascar),Driving a 65 Hemi powered,Plymouth Barracuda. Pretty sure your info is Wrong. Petty raced for Ford(Nascar),in 1969.
chevy whined because their big blocks would blow up in nascar.so they went to small blocks because g.m was working on them for 20years.427 sohc is king
Its the loading process for the dyno - you bring the engine under a steady load at wide open throttle using the water brake on the dyno - then the dyno computer releases it to make the power pull.
+Barry Lell Maybe not... www.hotrod.com/events/coverage/9-0l-dohc-big-block-crate-engine-see-it-first/ As I recall, Dan Gurney also made a DOHC conversion for Mk. IV Chevrolets; he also made a LOT of DOHC kits for the small block.
The Turbonique axle was some kind of jet powered axle that was used on some early experimentals. I also like the 406. I knew a guy that had a 62 Galaxie with a 406, with two fourbarrels. It was a police car. Wish I had that now !
You do realize this engine has 527 cubic inches vs the Demons 376? That's over 40% more in cubic inches. 11.5:1 vs 9.5:1 compression Oh...boost is 14.5 lbs on the demon, not 20 lbs. Like the saying goes "There's no replacement for displacement" Compare apples to apples.
@@mountnman3609 Someone PLEASE explain to me how Dodge Coronets with race hemis could crack low-9 quarter miles in the mid-1960's, naturally-aspirated?
@@Rich-hy2ey My buddy's na SB Vega was doing 9's in the 70's About 900 lbs lighter (in stock figure) But 124 cubic inches smaller engine. Quick hp calculation Drop a Coronet down to 3250 weight Take a hemi to about 825 hp Should get you to low 9's
@@mountnman3609 There is definitely some disconnect in what kind of figures are posted from the vintage era to the modern era. Supposedly, gross horsepower of yester year was only a large fraction of "net" horsepower used today (or is it kilowatts?). Yet, these cars from 1962-1971 managed, with naturally-aspirated engines with no computer optimization or fuel injection (except Vettes) to run 1/4 miles at times that haven't been achieve except in the last few years with computerized, fuel-inject and turbo/supercharged engines. Very odd.
Hey, Barry... do you ever do something like this but with a supercharger..er, BLOWER? Like a 6-71? What are those numbers like if you have? (I'm spending my future lotto winnings in my head).
Ford didn't bring out the 352-cid FE until the '58 model year. In '57 Ford ran the 312-cid Y-Block V-8 with a supercharger and won 26 races. They ran the 352 without the S/C from '58-'61 and won 55 races. In '62 the 406 debuted winning six times. The 427 came in for '63 and piled up 23 wins. Big Bill France Sr. had it in for Ford because they were winning so much so he refused to homologate the 427-SOHC, even though Ford produced 500 units for street use. Damn France protected GD Chevy again!
IN 1957 THEY MADE A CROWN VIC WITH A 430 LINCLON ENGINE. i have been a ford fan most of my 60 years,it has allways costed a lot more to build a ford. i remember when they rated the 428 supercobrajetwas rated at 335 hp ,man what a lie i seen several dino out at over 485 stock,the 69 boss 290 hp real world 400 plus and the 64 406 police intercepter i could go on but the point is the powers that be were allways rating gm and mopar above the blue oval. i enjoyed talking to another old ford fan
Just think what might of been if they'd continued development of this monster & got all the flaws fixed where it would of been bulletproof back then! I can only imagine the results!
Well, I don't know exactly which scooter you are referring to, but some do. The scooters that you mix oil with gas and they make a lot of white smoke don't have a cam at all - those are called 2-stroke. Many 4-stroke scooters have the cam right next to the crankshaft - some of the the nicer and more powerful ones have a SOHC design. Overhead cams make the engine more expensive to build and more complicated - more things can go wrong.
this is the 'nascar' 427 right? my grandpa has 2 of them and 2 normal 427s,14 390s and a 428 in his shop. i hope i can someday get one of the 427s for my truck though :D
If that had any truth to it, when the Cammer was eating up the Hemi in the 1/4 mile in the Eliminator car Nicholson drove were was this DOHC Chrysler Hemi.
All of Ford's engines were listed with lower HP than they really had. This was done for insurance reasons. Can you imagine the preminums if your Ford was rated at 485HP? The Crown Vic name stopped after the '56 model year and didn't return until '80. The 430 Lincoln engine wasn't introduced until '58. So what car are you talking about? They made four Mercury "Crowns" in '56 but these were done by Holman-Moody as a prototype and not for sale. These Mercs had 368 Lincolns.
I have a Petersen Publishing Ford book from 1970 and they refer to the SONHC 427 as "legendary". I often wonder what would have happened if NASCAR had backed down on its ban for the SOHC the way it backed down on the Hemi - but then MOPAR was in deep financial difficulties and Ford wasn't.
Banning was motivated by the fact that NASCAR was approached by a couple of companies who offered to partner in some money to help with the construction of tracks, obtaining sponsorship and helping with technology. One was Chrysler. They, at least, were open about their involvement. The other company was a "front" company for GM. Obviously, Ford might as well have kissed the cammer and the Boss 429 goodbye. Except...the Cammer and the Boss began to dominate NHRA. Then NHRA got bought out.
Anyone else hearing something hammering after that first run-up? Then a louder hammering before the second run-up ? Right before the second shutdown something spits out the left front near exhaust.....the guy immediately shuts the engine down not letting it cool at an idle.I think he detected something going wrong.
Good ears and eyes - - but wrong assumptions. We often get odd noises and vibration in the dyno recordings - the little microphone on the video camera is not real happy about the sound level in the dyno cell and it "clips" on many of the videos. I really need to buy a dedicated dyno video deal with the camera hard mounted somewhere and a remote microphone shielded a bit.The quick shut down was because of a sticking throttle controller. The DTS dyno uses an electric throttle control and it was really unhappy about pulling the pair of side mounted carbs - we were exceeding its load limits. Every other pull we were greeted with an unexpected event - premature shutoff, part throttle only event, or sticking idle speed. After a few we simply cut the throttle as soon as we finished each pull rather than waiting for it to return.The smoke puff was a leaking dipstick tube :)Engine has been running in a really nice '63.5 Galaxie for about five years now. Won "Best Cammer" at the Ford Carlisle event a few years back.
Guess what genius - I am not French and I was talking about NASCAR stupidly "OUTLAWING" the Ford SOHC 427 from stock car racing - it was a shame in 1965 and it is still a shame today.
thanks for correcying me i was recitng from memory i knew they put 352 in the 57s or 58s because i had one stock from ford with 4 barrel 3 speed on the collum with overdrive in the day they were the machine. you can look at the dohc ford tant engine on u tube. the point is same as yours ford rocked ,nascar kept them down
Why is eveyrbody impressed by a 527CI Cammer that makes 870 HP when the NASCAR 358CI pushrod motors make about the same HP and can run for 4 hrs at 9,000 RPMS? BTW I do like Fords but you are in awe of 60YO technology. I remember Dyno Don, Bill Lawton ,Pete Robinson and most of the Cammer drivers, impressive then not so much now.
Maybe its because its an 11:1 compression package that has been in a street driven 1963 Galaxie since the year after the video was filmed. Maybe its because it still uses the same basic Ford architecture developed in 1964 as opposed to something computer generated that has nothing to do with any production style engine ever made. Or maybe its simply because its frigging cool?.
This is the most baddest engine Ford has ever built. This will make a lot of Pretty girls shiver they're bones like no tomorrow mate. I just wish this engine with a huge blower on top was in Bigfoot the Monster Truck.
Dose the Yamaha bws 2012, 4 stroke has an overhead cams? Cam right next to the crankshaft, how is that possible? which Google image should i Google? what dose the cam do again?
kind of makes you wonder if guys like Tom Nelson or Steve Morris got their hands on one of these.can you imagine a 1500 to 2000 hp version with twin turbos inter cooled and such on one of these?
I have been looking around for Ideas on what to do with my 427, and I hate when people post the wrong stuff.. I get it, started off as a 427 but still its no longer a 427.
That impressive observation skills. I suppose that the fact that the engine remains in service since this video was taken - almost seven years ago - would not change your opinion?
Big block and small block denominations had nothing to do with engine size, cam position, push rods or no push rods carbed or efi. The big block and small block designations were set by the engineres that made them. Chevy guys know that the 400"big block also was a small block. Pontiac never had a big or small block they were just pontiacs weather its a 350 or 455. One of the issues "cammer 427" fe faced was timing chain strech. The timing chain was massive and when it stretched it would put the camms out a few degrees and even more on the trailing cam or the one farthest away from the pull of the crank due to stacked up stretch. I know a few drag race guys messed with gear drives. I think the FE is enjoying a resurgance as of late by the 80's the engine that won lemans , countless nascar wins , big block 428 mustangs 390 torinos they were relegated as obsolete. Now one can buy just about any part you can immagine. Or run down to the salvage yard get a ft engine and use the steel crank with some machine work and have a viable performance crank. One thing to remember though is the 427 was a race motor it never made it into production cars, well i did but only for nascar rules.
+Frank Brucker Ford's 90 day wonder the 'Cammer' is the only engine ever banned by Nascar, after allowing the Chrysler Hemi to Compete, therefore it never received the development that other engines received.
+Escape for Mankind Ford won Daytona in 1964 overall, [races won] In their first year with the 427, they out raced the massive hemi motor. with their [SOHC and semi hemi heads]
+Carat Cranker Unfortunately the Cammer never made it onto a NASCAR track during a race. It's fame today is almost entirely based on it's drag racing success.
+Barry R Yes, you're right, I forgot, it was the 429 that had the hemi heads, is that right?; Ford took the championship away from Chrysler in 64 with it. I watched an episode of American Muscle Car on the 427 and 429 motors. If you could tell me why the 460 never really made it into late 60's or early 70's muscle cars, was it around then? [couldn't of been] I know it made it into trucks. You think Ford would of developed that beast for the 454 and 455 competition?.
Just wondering, was the Ford 427 a better engine than Chevy's 427.? is it a classic case of Chev making a better engine? or did Ford really make a better product here?. Reliability, build quality, horsepower.
An argument that cannot be answered - you'll never get anybody to agree. But the 427 Ford was a darn good package. The wedge engines had 13 degree valve angles, a deep skirted cross bolted block, shaft mounted rockers, compact chamber cylinder heads, ten head bolts per bank. Chevy adopted all those features - but it took until 1996,
ALL V8 blocks are shaped like a "'Y" to some degree...Doesn't mean it was copied. Same goes for the cross bolt mains. Ford fans just WISH they could build an engine as good as the Chrysler Hemi...But they couldn't
V8s are shaped like a Y,Dumbass...there is a "V",at the top of a "Y". Whats so great about a Hemi? You REALLY are dumb if you have to ask THAT question,son.
I read the comments on these vids. Its like everyone wants to drop these into a galaxy. Pretty popular build or what? Lol. Id rather put it work in a bronco :)
ford motor company made a sohc engine way before this one,it was a replacement for the radial engine,in the exploding sherman tant in world war 2. 60 degree v 8s,the were indestructable,un less u were hit with a german 88 then the were a death trap.but ford has allways been on the cutting edge.i love the old fe motors, in 1957 ford run a 352 supercharged.it was bad ass.dominated nascar,the first production fe engine
One thing there is no arguing about, the SOHC was by far the most appealing looking engine ever to come out of Detroit. Eye candy baby!
One of the most awesome engines ever made. Too Bad they didn't make more of them!
The baddest ass engine ever built. Long live the Ford 427 SOHC.
Hell yeh, long before OHC was the norm
Long live the mighty Cammer.
Man, that’s why houses are upside down way down to Kentucky, they thought the New Madrid Fault had gone off!
I've been a Ford man all of my 65 years. My Dad bought a brand new Ford every year from 1937-73. He passed away in '73. For '58 Dad had a Fairlane 500 Club Victoria (1 of 35,509 mfd.) with an Interceptor Special Series "H" 352cid, a 4bbl Holley carb and Cruise-O-Matic. It produced 300 HP with a 10.2:1 compression ratio. It was Palomino Tan over Colonial White. Base price was $2,435.00. And these cars were built better than today's plasto-cars. You can't even buy a front clip for that today.
427 SOHC - crushing hopes and dreams since the 60's the 429 BOSS aint too bad either
Imagine being mr. Ferrari and hearing that two bays down and trying to determine just how bad of an ass whipping you were going to get on the track that day 🤠🖕🥇
Crushing bank accounts too.
The boss 429 was a monster too Rickie smith and bob glidden proved that Ford just didn’t produce it long enough 2yrs for any engine is not enough time
Wow nice original 64-66 cast iron block too:) Very very nice! Love that engine.
Right up near the top, of the After lotto win, list. Has been since I was about 15.
*Earl Wade of Dyno Don Nicholson Fame spent so much time with the Cammer that he got Cam Timing down to a Science. Doing repeated Full Power Pulls after Changing the Timing will tell where they should be set at to achieve maximum power at Full Throttle, and of course actual racing.*
This engine wayyyyyyy more badass than whatever EcoBoost car or truck you drive Keith Johnson.
The most awesome automotive engine ever made! From what I understand during the '64/'65 Nascar time trials the 427 SOHC (Hemi) ran away from everybody and Chrysler and Chevy cried a hissy fit to Nascar and Bill France said no OHC engines?! Can you imagine the potential that engine had! The SOHC did get accepted into drag racing, Dyno Don Nicholson in his funny car Comet and Connie Kalitta in his Bounty Hunter rail to name a few. Ed Pink, Holman and Moody, Stroppe, etc. were some of the builders. In '69 Ford came out with another Hemi the Boss 429 which got accepted into NASCAR and went head to head with Chrysler's 426 Hemi. Woods Bros Mercury, David Pearson in a Torino, Bud Moore etc. As great as the Boss 429 turned out to be, for raw power that 427 SOHC had a certain mystique and legend!
And actually the Boss 429s ended up being so uncompetitive that one of the two Boss 429 Cougars built immediately had the motor pulled and replaced with a 427 Cammer. Actually that might've been Dyno Don's car
trucking604 The SOHC motor was a legend in its own time. I am just sad that I missed two opportunities to get one. I am still kicking myself.
Evan B The eggheads at Ford had a real brain cramp when they scratched the SOHC for the Boss 429, that was a step backward. I think they were on drugs when they did this.
+Evan B It initially took some time to get the bugs worked out of the Boss 9, but that's common with any new engine.
The 429 was tough in NASCAR.
That is one impressive looking motor, screaming on the dyno!!
I don't always listen to 427 cammer engines, but when I do my neighbors do to! 😏
I think the engine stayed still, it was the building that was moving!!
They did extremely well in drag racing. Builder Ed Pink put several of them in the best cars of the era - including Prudhomme's fuel cars. Kalitta ran them as well in the Bounty Hunter rail. Nicholson used one in his early Pro Stock efforts.
One of the problems with using the engine for Drag Racing was that the engine was actually developed for Nascar which means the engine had to conserve fuel for a 500 mile race as well as develop power, therefore extra large valves that you would find in Drag Racing engines were not used in this engine.
Also OHC engines are not easily torn down between rounds.
Earl Wade of Dyno Don Nicholson fame built my Cammer and in the 60's won 33 match races in a row running an Unblown, Injected Cammer on Nitro turning 8.10-8.20's
1vdn992 Pete Robinsons Gear Drive Changed rotation or DR. side Cam solving Timing problem & chain .stretch.
kieffer davis
I had one and sold it and the car it was in. Another problem with these engines was weight, my Cast Iron Engine, Block and Heads, weighed in at a whopping 720 pounds.
EscapeforMankind True.
+Barry R ----- And Mickey Thompson/danny Ongais in funny car, George Montgomery in AA/GS....the Cammers forced Chrysler Hemi teams to go to aftermarket blocks and heads to win, and only when Ford stopped making them did the Hemi come creeping back in. If Bill France hadn't been paid by Chrysler to outlaw the cammer...then NASCAR would have continued to be a Ford runaway. Ford wedge 427's won ALL the nascar championships until the winged superbirds and daytonas came out.
The 427 Cammer is a simply awesome engine. Congrats on your build and great result. The new Coyote platform is the modern day Cammer producing 412 HP from a 5.0L. I look forward to the day when they can stroke it out to 427 cu and fit those big cams in it like its predecessor. What an engine that would be.
I wish NASCAR would do away with many of its stupid outdated rules and let the manufacturers really open it up with engine design again. Could you imagine watching a NASCAR race with LSs vs Gen 3 Hemis, vs Coyotes vs whatever Toyota decided to try? Haha. Thatd be amazing
@@thelaborpeasant Your HAHA, is the Toyota bit..................
@@thelaborpeasant Be carefu with the haha...Toyota has that BAD ASS 2JZ...As a racer that motor is definitely legit in the streets
@@wood4278 I think you and the previous comment missed the circumstances of my post. I was talking about Nascar, in which a 2JZ would have to be N/A, in which case it wouldn't even come close to being competitive. Also my post was saying I wanted to see street motors used and Toyota doesn't have a street V8 that can compete with the likes of what Chevy, Ford or Dodge have at the moment. The whole point of the post was throwing shade at the fact that Nascar completely changed their rules, doing away with street motors for custom race motors so Toyota could enter without entering with an extremely uncompetitive truck motor
So now that all of that is cleared up..yes..*clears throat*.. haha indeed. Lol
@@thelaborpeasant Nascar been horrible to me...back in the 70's and and 80's when it was real street cars racing and not so many rules but everything is like that now that's why I'm enjoying my 1000+ horsepower Mustang while I can before they come and take our Muscle cars out of our garages
Ohh those cammers are my favorite engine
I remember a 65 Chevelle, and a 66 Mustang running those axles. I think you are right about the fuel. Pretty awesome technoligy ! I looked up the history of the axles in google about five years ago. I think I will try and find it again. In 64, I was 12 yrs old, and went to Washington DC with my cousin and his parents. While we were at a drive in - cruise in hamburger Restaurant, a guy drives through in a 64 Galaxie 500 xl with a teardrop hood, Cragars, and a 427 SOHC in it. It
was AWESOME.!!
can you imagine if ford actually used these in nascar? Its too bad the rules were bent in favor to GM/Chrysler. It just shows who the better manufacture really is.
A VERY nice piece of your work, Mr Rabotnick !! Beautiful ! !
If I'm correct I believe these were the Grandfather to Fords Modular Motors. The SOHC FE's lead the way in R&D as it were. You can see a lot of the heritage in the basic layout of the current 5.0L Coyote. Ford Racing even still uses the Cammer name to this day. Only on the Coyote platform now. Love Ford heritage. :)
thx Captain Obvious
One can currently buy a Mustang with a 660hp supercharged coyote. That might be about the same as this since that's SAE net hp, while this 870 is gross. Of course it's not a fare comparison, since this isn't supercharged.
with a big block , you 400ft/p of torq at idle , you don't get that "Seat of the Pant" feeling with a small block, and a good big block hits hard at any rpm
Christian Cantin coyote not a small block
***** are you implying the coyote is in fact..not..a small block? Lol
Both very good questions. SOHC means Single OverHead Cam. There is a camshaft in each of the heads to operate the valves - as opposed to the system of one camshaft in the center of the block that operates the valves via pushrods and rocker arms. Almost all modern car engines use 1 or 2 cams - SOHC or DOHC in the head. This was very new technology to american engines when introduced in 1965. It was a racing engine, never installed in a car you could buy at the dealer.
Allen
I am really not sure what a Nelson or Sonny's Pro Mod engine has to do with a naturally aspirated pump gas fueled vintage Cammer? You might as well compare it to a Top Fuel engine or an F-14 jet. I could remove your post as advertising Spam - but I will leave it up as an example of somebody who simply does not "get it".
So true Barry.IMHO.
*The Dyno is somewhat of a disappointment when the exhaust is sealed off and you can't really hear the Cammer at full song*
Ford Power!!!!!!
The reason for the hoc design is simple. Push rods have to move long rocker arms at high rpms to move big valves in the hemi head. An ohc moves much smaller r-arms and those arms can move even bigger valves at higher rpms. Ford and Chrysler have always been ages ahead of GM in race tech. But GMs money talks. Hence no ohc in NASCAR.
dream engine.
No doubt
I’m a Chevy guy, but love all cars , especially muscle cars.. I do love these engines!!.. That sounds great!! Those cobra jet big blocks were also a powerhouse… I’d love to have a nice Grand Torino or something with either one of those engines in it.. Lol as I’m sure everyone here and beyond would haha!!!…
I sure wish Ford would reproduce this motor . It would change Pro stock forever .. Wouldn't it be cool to have a ford team to kick ass ...
If the 427 SOHC had been allowed to run in Nascar, Richard Petty would have wet his pants.
Or just bought one or changed sponsor.
No,Plymouth would had installed an A-925 DOHC Hemi engine, in Petty's car,and made Ford fans everywhere,cry....
@Rob Trubiano -He went drag racing(in 1965,due to Chrysler pulling out of Nascar),Driving a 65 Hemi powered,Plymouth Barracuda.
Pretty sure your info is Wrong.
Petty raced for Ford(Nascar),in 1969.
@@68bobba2 with the name 43JR on the doors
@@bradnoga -And won just 9 races,(in 69,)Racing for Ford....Probably his worst year of the 60s.
Great work Barry!!
This is the one engine the hemi would never stand a chance against . So all you Mopar chevy fans that wanted to talk smack on Ford better come again.
chevy whined because their big blocks would blow up in nascar.so they went to small blocks because g.m was working on them for 20years.427 sohc is king
THATS A DEMON EATER.👍👍👍👍👍
I can see it happening with Holley sniper efi and more goodies
Its the loading process for the dyno - you bring the engine under a steady load at wide open throttle using the water brake on the dyno - then the dyno computer releases it to make the power pull.
Pete Robinsons Gear Drive Changed rotation of DR. side Cam solving Timing problem & chain .stretch.
I wud love to leave for work at 3am with that in my 63 Gal boxtop!
Yes.
We can get aftermarket timing sets
Single Overhead Cam. very rare car engine originally developed in 1965 for Ford Racing.
Meaner looking than any motor Chevy could have ever build.
+Barry Lell
Maybe not...
www.hotrod.com/events/coverage/9-0l-dohc-big-block-crate-engine-see-it-first/
As I recall, Dan Gurney also made a DOHC conversion for Mk. IV Chevrolets; he also made a LOT of DOHC kits for the small block.
It's all about preference.
@@EdWatts - That may be a HELL of an engine for power, but dude, it's f*cking UGLY. Sorry is as sorry looks...
The Turbonique axle was some kind of jet powered axle that was used on some early experimentals. I also like the 406. I knew a guy that had a 62 Galaxie with a 406, with two fourbarrels. It was a police car. Wish I had that now !
Amazing how it now takes 20lbs of boost for a Dodge Demon to reach almost to that horsepower.
You do realize this engine has 527 cubic inches vs the Demons 376?
That's over 40% more in cubic inches.
11.5:1 vs 9.5:1 compression
Oh...boost is 14.5 lbs on the demon, not 20 lbs.
Like the saying goes "There's no replacement for displacement"
Compare apples to apples.
@@mountnman3609 Someone PLEASE explain to me how Dodge Coronets with race hemis could crack low-9 quarter miles in the mid-1960's, naturally-aspirated?
@@Rich-hy2ey My buddy's na SB Vega was doing 9's in the 70's
About 900 lbs lighter (in stock figure)
But 124 cubic inches smaller engine.
Quick hp calculation
Drop a Coronet down to 3250 weight
Take a hemi to about 825 hp
Should get you to low 9's
@@mountnman3609 There is definitely some disconnect in what kind of figures are posted from the vintage era to the modern era. Supposedly, gross horsepower of yester year was only a large fraction of "net" horsepower used today (or is it kilowatts?). Yet, these cars from 1962-1971 managed, with naturally-aspirated engines with no computer optimization or fuel injection (except Vettes) to run 1/4 miles at times that haven't been achieve except in the last few years with computerized, fuel-inject and turbo/supercharged engines. Very odd.
demon could get there all motor with mods that would make it less Street friendly.
Big money motor and not for the faint of heart.
Hey, Barry... do you ever do something like this but with a supercharger..er, BLOWER? Like a 6-71? What are those numbers like if you have? (I'm spending my future lotto winnings in my head).
Nothing like a symphony of pistons coming from a 427 Cammer. This is badder than any engine Chevy ever built.
Ford didn't bring out the 352-cid FE until the '58 model year. In '57 Ford ran the 312-cid Y-Block V-8 with a supercharger and won 26 races. They ran the 352 without the S/C from '58-'61 and won 55 races. In '62 the 406 debuted winning six times. The 427 came in for '63 and piled up 23 wins. Big Bill France Sr. had it in for Ford because they were winning so much so he refused to homologate the 427-SOHC, even though Ford produced 500 units for street use. Damn France protected GD Chevy again!
IN 1957 THEY MADE A CROWN VIC WITH A 430 LINCLON ENGINE. i have been a ford fan most of my 60 years,it has allways costed a lot more to build a ford. i remember when they rated the 428 supercobrajetwas rated at 335 hp ,man what a lie i seen several dino out at over 485 stock,the 69 boss 290 hp real world 400 plus and the 64 406 police intercepter i could go on but the point is the powers that be were allways rating gm and mopar above the blue oval. i enjoyed talking to another old ford fan
Just think what might of been if they'd continued development of this monster & got all the flaws fixed where it would of been bulletproof back then! I can only imagine the results!
It sounds powerful and mean love it
Wondering their bore/stroke numbers to get an extra cubic inches out of it
A work of art.
Dont forget Pete Robinson won the national champ title with this engine.
the baddest motor ever built by anybody period all hail the king the one and only unbeatable incomparable king the immortal 427 sohc cammer
This one was decidedly over the top.Tons of hand made parts and expensive pieces.A 50 thousand dollar project to duplicate.
OUCH!!!! Will be in touch.
Have you seen the Hot Rod August 2005 SOHC build?
+bigdadday bubblejomay a three valve sohc?
I don't think so, not this one in the picture.
This engine is so rare that I wouldn't spin it over 4k rpms ...if I owned it..to think of the money involved makes my heart flutter
this is a beast!!
@emercito Totally understood, your grasp of English is amazing.
Well, I don't know exactly which scooter you are referring to, but some do. The scooters that you mix oil with gas and they make a lot of white smoke don't have a cam at all - those are called 2-stroke. Many 4-stroke scooters have the cam right next to the crankshaft - some of the the nicer and more powerful ones have a SOHC design. Overhead cams make the engine more expensive to build and more complicated - more things can go wrong.
That is awesome!
this is the 'nascar' 427 right? my grandpa has 2 of them and 2 normal 427s,14 390s and a 428 in his shop. i hope i can someday get one of the 427s for my truck though :D
If that had any truth to it, when the Cammer was eating up the Hemi in the 1/4 mile in the Eliminator car Nicholson drove were was this DOHC Chrysler Hemi.
All of Ford's engines were listed with lower HP than they really had. This was done for insurance reasons. Can you imagine the preminums if your Ford was rated at 485HP? The Crown Vic name stopped after the '56 model year and didn't return until '80. The 430 Lincoln engine wasn't introduced until '58. So what car are you talking about? They made four Mercury "Crowns" in '56 but these were done by Holman-Moody as a prototype and not for sale. These Mercs had 368 Lincolns.
Sounds great!
holly shit that is impressive for a motor without turbo or supercharger. you'd probably need a serious chassis for that beast.
BEAUTIFUL. 🤠
Visa, Mastercard, American Express....
This one IS for sale right now..
Serious offers in the 40+ range
I have a Petersen Publishing Ford book from 1970 and they refer to the SONHC 427 as "legendary".
I often wonder what would have happened if NASCAR had backed down on its ban for the SOHC the way it backed down on the Hemi - but then MOPAR was in deep financial difficulties and Ford wasn't.
FORD POWER!!!
"I BLEED BLUE"
Banning was motivated by the fact that NASCAR was approached by a couple of companies who offered to partner in some money to help with the construction of tracks, obtaining sponsorship and helping with technology. One was Chrysler. They, at least, were open about their involvement. The other company was a "front" company for GM. Obviously, Ford might as well have kissed the cammer and the Boss 429 goodbye. Except...the Cammer and the Boss began to dominate NHRA. Then NHRA got bought out.
Anyone else hearing something hammering after that first run-up? Then a louder hammering before the second run-up ? Right before the second shutdown something spits out the left front near exhaust.....the guy immediately shuts the engine down not letting it cool at an idle.I think he detected something going wrong.
Good ears and eyes - - but wrong assumptions. We often get odd noises and vibration in the dyno recordings - the little microphone on the video camera is not real happy about the sound level in the dyno cell and it "clips" on many of the videos. I really need to buy a dedicated dyno video deal with the camera hard mounted somewhere and a remote microphone shielded a bit.The quick shut down was because of a sticking throttle controller. The DTS dyno uses an electric throttle control and it was really unhappy about pulling the pair of side mounted carbs - we were exceeding its load limits. Every other pull we were greeted with an unexpected event - premature shutoff, part throttle only event, or sticking idle speed. After a few we simply cut the throttle as soon as we finished each pull rather than waiting for it to return.The smoke puff was a leaking dipstick tube :)Engine has been running in a really nice '63.5 Galaxie for about five years now. Won "Best Cammer" at the Ford Carlisle event a few years back.
Barry R
Glad to hear nothing major,I am so jealous now---a 63.5 Galaxie? Nice.
wonder what lubricant was used, the same stuff the clintons use?
Please save the stupid stuff for another venue.
solid motor
XLT package indeed ! I had forgotten about those rear axles ! That would be way too much ! I wonder if any of them survived ?
Is that the one with 6 feet of timing chain?
So what happened at 3:11? Looked at something self destructed around the harmonic balancer.
Cant remember any more - its been years - but I think it was just a drop of oil hitting the headers
Actually ford had a hemi head flatheat V8 back in the day.
Would be nice to have in my 72 Ford Bronco. Probably could climb power poles.
It was tooo good
What a Beast
Guess what genius - I am not French and I was talking about NASCAR stupidly "OUTLAWING" the Ford SOHC 427 from stock car racing - it was a shame in 1965 and it is still a shame today.
What about using prosystems sv-1 carbs for more power? I have read about them adding 15 or 16 horsepower to a race engine over dominator carbs.
Never tried one - I know that Dominators work really well.
thanks for correcying me i was recitng from memory i knew they put 352 in the 57s or 58s because i had one stock from ford with 4 barrel 3 speed on the collum with overdrive in the day they were the machine. you can look at the dohc ford tant engine on u tube. the point is same as yours ford rocked ,nascar kept them down
Why is eveyrbody impressed by a 527CI Cammer that makes 870 HP when the NASCAR 358CI pushrod motors make about the same HP and can run for 4 hrs at 9,000 RPMS?
BTW I do like Fords but you are in awe of 60YO technology. I remember Dyno Don, Bill Lawton ,Pete Robinson and most of the Cammer drivers, impressive then not so much now.
Maybe its because its an 11:1 compression package that has been in a street driven 1963 Galaxie since the year after the video was filmed. Maybe its because it still uses the same basic Ford architecture developed in 1964 as opposed to something computer generated that has nothing to do with any production style engine ever made. Or maybe its simply because its frigging cool?.
I'd like to have this engine in a lowered and tubbed 64 Galaxie fastback, with a teardrop hood,c-6 auto, Candy apple red metalflake paint.
This is the most baddest engine Ford has ever built. This will make a lot of Pretty girls shiver they're bones like no tomorrow mate. I just wish this engine with a huge blower on top was in Bigfoot the Monster Truck.
May I ask why you sometimes see a lagg when the throttle is applied? As it does here? I often see this with dyno sessions.
Dose the Yamaha bws 2012, 4 stroke has an overhead cams? Cam right next to the crankshaft, how is that possible? which Google image should i Google? what dose the cam do again?
kind of makes you wonder if guys like Tom Nelson or Steve Morris got their hands on one of these.can you imagine a 1500 to 2000 hp version with twin turbos inter cooled and such on one of these?
Bigdog302V8 Yes it would be doomsday for all others.
I have been looking around for Ideas on what to do with my 427, and I hate when people post the wrong stuff.. I get it, started off as a 427 but still its no longer a 427.
I hear a definate rod rap starting at 3:01...they spun a bearing or cracked a piston causing a lose wrist pin....sumpin let loose!
That impressive observation skills. I suppose that the fact that the engine remains in service since this video was taken - almost seven years ago - would not change your opinion?
I was referring to the people in France that ran LeMans, not you. Sorry for the confusion.
Love to put that in a mustang and go demon hunting
The dipstick tube is loose - nowhere to bolt it to on the dyno headers....so it wiggles around and "spits on them" at around 7000.....
Almost as much fun as Jamie Lee Curtis in a barrel of baby oil. Almost.
Big block and small block denominations had nothing to do with engine size, cam position, push rods or no push rods carbed or efi. The big block and small block designations were set by the engineres that made them. Chevy guys know that the 400"big block also was a small block. Pontiac never had a big or small block they were just pontiacs weather its a 350 or 455. One of the issues "cammer 427" fe faced was timing chain strech. The timing chain was massive and when it stretched it would put the camms out a few degrees and even more on the trailing cam or the one farthest away from the pull of the crank due to stacked up stretch. I know a few drag race guys messed with gear drives. I think the FE is enjoying a resurgance as of late by the 80's the engine that won lemans , countless nascar wins , big block 428 mustangs 390 torinos they were relegated as obsolete. Now one can buy just about any part you can immagine. Or run down to the salvage yard get a ft engine and use the steel crank with some machine work and have a viable performance crank. One thing to remember though is the 427 was a race motor it never made it into production cars, well i did but only for nascar rules.
You know your stuff man good shit.
+Frank Brucker
Ford's 90 day wonder the 'Cammer' is the only engine ever banned by Nascar, after allowing the Chrysler Hemi to Compete, therefore it never received the development that other engines received.
+Escape for Mankind Ford won Daytona in 1964 overall, [races won] In their first year with the 427, they out raced the massive hemi motor. with their [SOHC and semi hemi heads]
+Carat Cranker Unfortunately the Cammer never made it onto a NASCAR track during a race. It's fame today is almost entirely based on it's drag racing success.
+Barry R Yes, you're right, I forgot, it was the 429 that had the hemi heads, is that right?; Ford took the championship away from Chrysler in 64 with it. I watched an episode of American Muscle Car on the 427 and 429 motors. If you could tell me why the 460 never really made it into late 60's or early 70's muscle cars, was it around then? [couldn't of been] I know it made it into trucks. You think Ford would of developed that beast for the 454 and 455 competition?.
Just wondering, was the Ford 427 a better engine than Chevy's 427.? is it a classic case of Chev making a better engine? or did Ford really make a better product here?. Reliability, build quality, horsepower.
An argument that cannot be answered - you'll never get anybody to agree. But the 427 Ford was a darn good package. The wedge engines had 13 degree valve angles, a deep skirted cross bolted block, shaft mounted rockers, compact chamber cylinder heads, ten head bolts per bank. Chevy adopted all those features - but it took until 1996,
ALL V8 blocks are shaped like a "'Y" to some degree...Doesn't mean it was copied.
Same goes for the cross bolt mains.
Ford fans just WISH they could build an engine as good as the Chrysler Hemi...But they couldn't
V8s are shaped like a Y,Dumbass...there is a "V",at the top of a "Y".
Whats so great about a Hemi?
You REALLY are dumb if you have to ask THAT question,son.
Ford got banned so chevy could keep up
+68bobba2 I second that .
damn that thing is awesome. C'mon lotto!!
What he was trying to say is the new Dodge "Hemi" is trash. which it is. It's also not really a hemi, but marketing people don't care.
I saw one of these on Ebay for $50,000 dollars. Is that really the price these sell for?
I read the comments on these vids. Its like everyone wants to drop these into a galaxy. Pretty popular build or what? Lol. Id rather put it work in a bronco :)
ford motor company made a sohc engine way before this one,it was a replacement for the radial engine,in the exploding sherman tant in world war 2. 60 degree v 8s,the were indestructable,un less u were hit with a german 88 then the were a death trap.but ford has allways been on the cutting edge.i love the old fe motors, in 1957 ford run a 352 supercharged.it was bad ass.dominated nascar,the first production fe engine
How much will it cost to get an engine like this?
I have only one question, and that is how can I obtain and engine like this?
Holy shit Batman!