This motor will be a monster when the solid state battery packs hit the market. I don't think people realize yet how much of a game changer ss battery tech will be for everything.
@9:11 - Double tap to arm the motors while you're kiting. I've done that once or twice on my X4. Try starting a 2 stroke while you're kiting! ha! I now make that double tap the last item on my prelaunch checklist.
Firstly, nice video Sean! @ 06:00 - I definitely agree you're blessed that the Airport Manager at the FBO is not a jerk, but YOU are paying for that airfield! It's a public utility. It's not like the guy is doing you a favor; it's his obligation, notwithstanding current or past malfeasance on your part on your part that would disqualify you. We are, in the PPG community, in fact, allowed to use the airport. After all, we pay for them too! Anyway, I think I understand what you meant by the comment, and don't mean to pick a fight, but just felt like it needed to be said. Glad you have a nice airport that you can use, as you should be able too.
A suggestion. Where carbon fibre tubes are fitted onto stubs at the ends, they tend to crack or delaminate on impact. An easy way to reinforce the ends is to get some strong thread like sailmakers yarn and whip the ends from the end to beyond where the stub fits into. The run superglue over the whole twine whipping. It dries like concrete and the thread adds soo much strength and it weighs almost nothing. I have been flying carbon fibre kites for years and used to carry several carbon fibre tubes until I discovered this reinforcement, havnt broken a tube since despite som heavy pile ins. Steve
After watching more than a dozen EPPG reviews, they all agree on the same thing, "in a few years when these Tesla 2010 batteries are updated to the current battery standard, you will be able to fly 2-3 hours just like a gas rig at the same weight". I am 6'3" and 300lbs even, when I asked about "the largest, most powerful EPPG engines available" I always get the same thing; "with your size you might get 25 mins of powered flight time". Compared to the 3 hours I'd easily get with a 280 engine and 4.8 Gals of fuel at the same weight, I'll need to wait 3-5 years most likely.
Said it here first, a high endurance PPG was available years ago in the form of a trike to carry the battery pack. You'd get hours with a 100 lb pack (including hardcase, contactors, bus bars, bms).
Sean, thanks for the review! I can't wait to fly my SP140 at the beach this week....I'll have my X4 OpenPPG electric with me too!👍 My gas unit is in pieces on the table in my garage at the moment.😕 Electrics are so much fun to fly and are the future! Bill
Some advice, the carbon fibre tubes that are the frame supports, where they slip over the stubs on the back plate, if the rod is hit the carbon fibre will split. Get some strong sail thread, whip the ends covering where they fit on the stubs and a bit more then cover in superglue. This will stop any splitting and add almost nothing to the weight. Steve
Is that a special made prop for them. That is nice.. triblade on a few of my long range drones more efficient at low throttle (some even full) .. thats nice.. I would think they'd make the electric paramotors bigger. Bigger prop more efficiency.. but guess short guy like me can't have too big a prop lmao I need to google this.. so intrigued.. how many cell battery.. how many mah..
Amazing when you're lucky enough to have a great airport manager! Ours ran everybody off, strangled my good friend almost to death & is still the airport manager! I might include a link later but the title of the first video is "Airport Manager Gone Wild."
My dad and I want to try to set up a trike that can handle the weight with 3 battery packs (12kwh) for more flight time. Is the battery that comes with this setup to be able to chain multiple together out of the box, or would creative engineering be required?
Roughly how long was your flight? Did it show you how much battery you had left? Can you give more description of the noise? So it's less loud overall, but has that high-pitched whine? Glad to hear thrust was good -- did you find it gave you a shorter takeoff? What wing were you using? What were your overall impressions? How does it compare to a regular gas-powered paramotor? You said the harness felt comfortable - which type was it?
about a 20 minute flight... it showed me how much time was left on the throttle and voltage... I used my apco lift ez Large... It has more power than a moster 185 but only ONE hour time with this batter... im use to 2 1/2 hours of flight on my motor with gas... I really like it and cant wait to buy an electric paramotor...
@@RunIntoTheSkyNonprofit - so are you saying that 1 hour of flight time is adequate for you? Or are you and others counting on future improvements in battery tech to give better flight time? Have you heard of the EOS Quattro 4-stroke engine? I've heard that's another game-changer too.
@@RunIntoTheSkyNonprofit I look forward to hearing about that. I would like to get back into flying, but the frame that addresses safety concerns I have about paramotors is the sky tap. I think electric power might also be safer than gas power. Thanks for the info
The problem with doing this is the frame is a really small part of the price. The power system will cost you- guessing 80-90% of the price of a power system mounted into the frame that's engineered for it. Why adapt? Are you that enamored with the Skytap frame?
@@grejen711 So the real answer is build your own. All he is making money on mostly is readily available parts you can easily source yourself. Not so much the cage...and dudek comfort seat is easily bought separately also as with most all paramotor harnesses! Good luck n happy flying!
The future is electric for sure. At this point I'm debating just holding on to my old motor for 2 more years and running it into the ground since it doesn't make sense to buy a new one when the only limiting issue with electric is the batteries. 2-3 more years and 2-stroke will be dead.
@@grejen711 iirc LG chem and Sony are building factories to start the production of Solid state lithium batteries, they should start production in around 2023. Solid state batteries are about double the density of current lipos at the same weight, so it'll pretty much be the end of gas.
@@RunIntoTheSkyNonprofit Looks very promising. I've avoided PPG because I find the 2 stroke ICE off-putting. I'd take up electric flying and this open source thing is very cool. openppg.com/compare-top-electric-and-gas-paramotors/
how easy is it to change battery when you are low on battery and wanting to strap another battery? it looks like you need to take the whole prop off and cage?
This motor will be a monster when the solid state battery packs hit the market. I don't think people realize yet how much of a game changer ss battery tech will be for everything.
@9:11 - Double tap to arm the motors while you're kiting. I've done that once or twice on my X4. Try starting a 2 stroke while you're kiting! ha! I now make that double tap the last item on my prelaunch checklist.
Its only 1 tap to estart a 2 stroke, so its twice as simple as electric. Haha.
Firstly, nice video Sean!
@ 06:00 - I definitely agree you're blessed that the Airport Manager at the FBO is not a jerk, but YOU are paying for that airfield! It's a public utility. It's not like the guy is doing you a favor; it's his obligation, notwithstanding current or past malfeasance on your part on your part that would disqualify you. We are, in the PPG community, in fact, allowed to use the airport. After all, we pay for them too!
Anyway, I think I understand what you meant by the comment, and don't mean to pick a fight, but just felt like it needed to be said. Glad you have a nice airport that you can use, as you should be able too.
A suggestion. Where carbon fibre tubes are fitted onto stubs at the ends, they tend to crack or delaminate on impact. An easy way to reinforce the ends is to get some strong thread like sailmakers yarn and whip the ends from the end to beyond where the stub fits into. The run superglue over the whole twine whipping. It dries like concrete and the thread adds soo much strength and it weighs almost nothing. I have been flying carbon fibre kites for years and used to carry several carbon fibre tubes until I discovered this reinforcement, havnt broken a tube since despite som heavy pile ins. Steve
After watching more than a dozen EPPG reviews, they all agree on the same thing, "in a few years when these Tesla 2010 batteries are updated to the current battery standard, you will be able to fly 2-3 hours just like a gas rig at the same weight". I am 6'3" and 300lbs even, when I asked about "the largest, most powerful EPPG engines available" I always get the same thing; "with your size you might get 25 mins of powered flight time". Compared to the 3 hours I'd easily get with a 280 engine and 4.8 Gals of fuel at the same weight, I'll need to wait 3-5 years most likely.
Absolutely
Said it here first, a high endurance PPG was available years ago in the form of a trike to carry the battery pack. You'd get hours with a 100 lb pack (including hardcase, contactors, bus bars, bms).
You need a licence to fly a heavy motor so not an option for everyone
Sean, thanks for the review! I can't wait to fly my SP140 at the beach this week....I'll have my X4 OpenPPG electric with me too!👍 My gas unit is in pieces on the table in my garage at the moment.😕 Electrics are so much fun to fly and are the future! Bill
Good choice! cant wait to see your videos
@@RunIntoTheSkyNonprofit You can see my OpenPPG X4 flights on my TH-cam now. I will hopefully be adding the SP140 flights soon.👍😁
The X4 is a blast. Short flights, but a blast!
SWEEEEEEET!
If John Locke had that ppg on the island he would've escaped in no time !
Ha. So true
That's incorrect. John would have never left the island, but I'm sure he would have enjoyed paramotoring around it though.
@@JasonLee-mg9yy yea gping to say he didn't want to leave.. maybe sawyer
Some advice, the carbon fibre tubes that are the frame supports, where they slip over the stubs on the back plate, if the rod is hit the carbon fibre will split. Get some strong sail thread, whip the ends covering where they fit on the stubs and a bit more then cover in superglue. This will stop any splitting and add almost nothing to the weight. Steve
Hey , I known you, Are you a actor in the movie of Parker finish , Right?
I was in movies, commercials and other things when I was younger.
Hello sir ... Could you tell me what is the total weight of this ppg..?
I'm sorry I don't know that information offhand. I think it's on the website
Hey mate I noticed something about your net. It looks like it’s meant to go on the front side of your spars not behind them??
Yeah. We noticed that before we took it up for a flight. Thanks mate!!
Very cool
Is that a special made prop for them. That is nice.. triblade on a few of my long range drones more efficient at low throttle (some even full) .. thats nice.. I would think they'd make the electric paramotors bigger. Bigger prop more efficiency.. but guess short guy like me can't have too big a prop lmao
I need to google this.. so intrigued.. how many cell battery.. how many mah..
Think it’s a helix
Amazing when you're lucky enough to have a great airport manager! Ours ran everybody off, strangled my good friend almost to death & is still the airport manager! I might include a link later but the title of the first video is "Airport Manager Gone Wild."
Airports are for airplanes. He was justified. Paramotors are dangerous.
Awesome video, makes me want to sell mine and go electric ⚡⚡⚡
Go for it! and let me know what you think... i might do that too
how many hours can you fly?
Hi!! awesome video! what type of battery use? thanks!!!
My dad and I want to try to set up a trike that can handle the weight with 3 battery packs (12kwh) for more flight time. Is the battery that comes with this setup to be able to chain multiple together out of the box, or would creative engineering be required?
I bet a trike would work. I wanna try that.
Roughly how long was your flight? Did it show you how much battery you had left?
Can you give more description of the noise? So it's less loud overall, but has that high-pitched whine?
Glad to hear thrust was good -- did you find it gave you a shorter takeoff? What wing were you using?
What were your overall impressions? How does it compare to a regular gas-powered paramotor?
You said the harness felt comfortable - which type was it?
about a 20 minute flight... it showed me how much time was left on the throttle and voltage... I used my apco lift ez Large... It has more power than a moster 185 but only ONE hour time with this batter... im use to 2 1/2 hours of flight on my motor with gas... I really like it and cant wait to buy an electric paramotor...
@@RunIntoTheSkyNonprofit - so are you saying that 1 hour of flight time is adequate for you? Or are you and others counting on future improvements in battery tech to give better flight time? Have you heard of the EOS Quattro 4-stroke engine? I've heard that's another game-changer too.
@@RunIntoTheSkyNonprofit How much does it weigh? How much does your gas machine weigh (with fuel)?
@@Lt_Tragg I’m not sure but 5 gallons of gas is an extra 30 pounds. My add on trike is about 30 pounds. Maybe my motor/frame is 65 pounds
I wonder if you have asked the open PPG dude if it’s possible to mount the power system on your sky tap frame?
i was thinking about that... i will be getting up with them to start doing some more mounting with just the electric part
@@RunIntoTheSkyNonprofit I look forward to hearing about that. I would like to get back into flying, but the frame that addresses safety concerns I have about paramotors is the sky tap. I think electric power might also be safer than gas power. Thanks for the info
The problem with doing this is the frame is a really small part of the price. The power system will cost you- guessing 80-90% of the price of a power system mounted into the frame that's engineered for it. Why adapt? Are you that enamored with the Skytap frame?
@@grejen711 So the real answer is build your own. All he is making money on mostly is readily available parts you can easily source yourself. Not so much the cage...and dudek comfort seat is easily bought separately also as with most all paramotor harnesses! Good luck n happy flying!
Heck yeah!
it was awesome!!
When did Open PPG stop using the carbon fiber backplate/body?
hi the battery is 83-84 volt and the Ampere?
Would an electric one be ok for a beginner? What are the pros and cons between gas and electric? Besides the obvious
I think it would be great for a brand new beginner… Did you get one?
Good Stuff. It looks like it has a crap ton of torque.
nothing different than the moster 185 ... but it was awesome!!
Price?
I think we talked about the price in the video, I think all up with an hour battery, it ended up being about $8000
Just curious but how sensitive it it with instant exceleration. Does it over power. Or under power. The one I flew was way to touchy
Is the SP 140 trike friendly?
How many minutes can you fly on a single charge?
The future is electric for sure. At this point I'm debating just holding on to my old motor for 2 more years and running it into the ground since it doesn't make sense to buy a new one when the only limiting issue with electric is the batteries. 2-3 more years and 2-stroke will be dead.
i hope it is that soon... im looking forward to more electric paramotor choices in the future
Here's hoping but I think it'll still be 5 -10 years. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.
@@grejen711 iirc LG chem and Sony are building factories to start the production of Solid state lithium batteries, they should start production in around 2023.
Solid state batteries are about double the density of current lipos at the same weight, so it'll pretty much be the end of gas.
@@Hyperious_in_the_air As long as the lithium supply can keep up. I see that being a limiting factor.
How far is the pumpkin patch from airport?
It's not nearly as quiet as I imagined it would be
What is the expected cost?
The paramotor, 3 blade prop, harness large battery, and charger was about $7500. With shipping and battery fee.
The benefit though is it costs less to recharge than buying gas and oil
hope the price goes down and more choices with batteries
S what kind is it and how much
Looks like soonest available is 10/25. Ok, I'm learning patience...
Quanto custa?
Weight?
not sure but it should all be on OpenPPG.com ... Ill have to do another in depth review soon....thanks
@@RunIntoTheSkyNonprofit Looks very promising. I've avoided PPG because I find the 2 stroke ICE off-putting. I'd take up electric flying and this open source thing is very cool. openppg.com/compare-top-electric-and-gas-paramotors/
@@Lt_Tragg I like gas. I love XCs
how easy is it to change battery when you are low on battery and wanting to strap another battery? it looks like you need to take the whole prop off and cage?
No need to take anything off, the battery slides out vertically for a quick swap or to split up the weight for transportation
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Very expensive for 45 min flight...20 min out...20 min back...not enough battery life..for the money.