Also the enlarged surfaces and the canards were specifically designed to give it enough lift to launch from the Kuznetsov class. They are *NOT* designed to perform enhanced maneuvers. The Su-34 however is. So you really won't get much of an advantage over the 27 or 27SM, *PLUS* you have all the added weight of the reinforced landing gear and the tailhook, so it really doesn't mean a damn. Let alone, no R-77, no R-27EA (requires same radar for R-77), and no guided AGM weaponry. It should be a squadron vehicle, or added just for fun after the Yak-141, but it's not a serious top-tier lineup release. It shouldn't have come any later than the F-14B if it was going to be a serious counterpart for it's release time. Su-30SM is the way to go, and if TVC and Canards that actually function is "game breaking" (which is bullshit), then add the MiG-29K.
i dont understand why people would call the su-30sm game breaking at all cause its the same american players who say the r-77 sucks and spam aim-120's all the su-30sm is better at on a game level would be dogfighting so if added its not like its going to make the game unplayable for the enemy teams
I think this might be the “catching up” update. Add the F/A-18A and SU-33 without Fox 3 and next update give their more modern variants. Hopefully we get decompression.
@mikeyplayzwrld There's no way Gaijin would piss away an opportunity to make money. They always launch a flagship update for the winter season because consumer spending is highest around the holidays. They're gonna go big because they're greedy. Hopefully, Russia doesn't get shafted with a Su-33 to compete with the F-18s. What I'm hoping for is that they release the F-18 A or C variant and F/A-18E for the U.S. and the Su-33/Su30 for Russia. Those are high hopes, though, and I wouldn't take any of that as gospel.
тут надо смотреть на то, какой нам именно дадут Су-33. Их же постоянно модифицируют, модернизируют, но не дают им новых названий и обозначений... в общем посмотрим
@@Lulzwhat is literally the same thing the su-27 is already facing, but with 2 extra R-73s and different flight performance. How is it worse off then a su-27 or f-15, it's just slightly different and cooler Plus, if they decide to implement it with ECM on the wings, it could add another layer of depth to the game and make the plane much better
@@iiSuketchi"slightly different" is an understatment. It was a flying brick that could go Mach chicken. Fast AF but it's more along the same lines of the F-111 or F-104 in flight model. It is gonna get destroyed in top tier and its too fast to put it any lower without completely ruining the balance of the game.
The 33 can’t pull as many G’s as the 27 because of the structure limits of the folding wings. Hope gaijin fixes the 27 fm and implements that disadvantage properly to the 33.
@@TheArbiter1721 why do people have to make every wt video about Russia vs US lol all I’m saying is it shouldn’t pull more than the 27 just cause it has canards
@@nik4091 Why not? They are not as good as the R-77. Earlier attempts like the EA never even made it out of the prototype phase. The R-27EM is for jets that normally cannot carry ARH missiles, such as the Su-33. Because it can carry the R-27ER, it can also carry the EM.
@@Armata6348 EM is not active radar homing, it's EA. Su-33 incapable using such missiles, R-27EA included. EM is an R-27ER with improved semi-active seeker to shoot down crusie missiles at low alt. That's all.
@@amc2167 what’s to complain about? No guided ground weapons, no fox 3s. If they add the fa18c which is already stated they are skipping the A model, there is nothing to complain about.
@@usarmyalaskanick it's a joke because of the last few updates, whatever russian got was inevitably nerfed to mediocrity or plain uselessness because of USA mains complaining
I don't give a f*ck what anyone says. It looks cool, and I'm glad it will be here eventually, but it is NOT going to be viable on release. If the USSR is going to get a plane that is on par with the F-18C and the F-15E and the EFT (assuming it comes) the USSR/Ru *NEEDS* the Su-30SM. Also, the Russian Navy flies Su-30SM's from it's naval airbases, so it technically fits the theme.
Su-33 is dead on arrival after they add fox-3. He will get 13.3 just for having more hardpoint then su27 and will be doomed to fight aim120 every match. Mig29k or kr would make at least some sense but this...
@ that still makes no sense. You’re not waiting on a carrier in any game modes, you don’t taxi or do any ground operations. You spawn on the CAT. So having folding wings offers nothing
Performance of Su-33 is definitely worse than Su-27. Because of simple reason - it's grown heavy during airframe strengtheneing for carrier use, from Su-27's 16750-17000kg to Su-33's 19600, that's why it got canards (because center of weight got changed compared to Su-27), which add to drag. Engines are only 300kgf more powerful each, which is nowhere near enough to offset increase in weight. Radar is the same as on Su-27, so don't expect Fox-3 missiles, and at most you'll get same RWR as Su-27SM and guided A2G munitions. Chinese J-15, being modern Su-33 derivative, shares mostly same weight woes, but gets much more potent radar (likely to be the best in the game), Fox-3 and modern A2G.
The canard part is false, it got the canards to help with slower speed controls for landing on the carriers, has nothing to do with design or help in maneuverability
J15 isn’t a 33 derivative. The deal to buy them fell through since Russia wanted china to buy a lot to make it worth restarting the factories. The only flankers china has bought are the su30mkk and mk2.
It's performance will depend on which version they bring in the game, there's the normal one that's just like the Su-27S, but in the 2010s they modernized the Su-33s they have (i think less than 30) to the level of Su-27SM3/Su-30SM. Edit: 20 SU-33 are modernized, 4 are not modernized.
Hate to burst your bubble but gajin in their “infinite wisdom”(sarcasm) said they were gonna skip the the earlier non Fox 3 carrying F/A-18’s in favor of the latter F/A-18C’s and A+ which were upgraded to the C standard with fox 3 capabilities and other things
@@airlightshockZOV well this is gajin were talking about they botched the two most recent air additions because the su-34 and the F-15 are both overpowered in one category and decently good in the other the F-15 was a nightmare in top tier air with its ridiculous engine power AMRAAM spam cause R-77 are not as good at BVR and are more suited to close to medium range and the su-34 just out ranges all spaa’s that aren’t the pantsir leaving what team Russia faces to the mercy of whoever is piloting the Su-34 and since playing spaa sucks to most people they won’t spawn in till after it’s caused havoc meaning the su-34 will most likely have free reign to fuck up an entire team. Also if it wasn’t clear the F-15 is op in air and decently good in cas approx same level as F-16 despite having more ordnance and the SU-34 is op in ground and decently good in air because it doesn’t have HMD and R-77’s are close to medium range missiles unlike the AMRAAMs.
It will definitely look very good and i'll 100% get it, but it wont be a fun jet to play nor will be anything impressive. Knowing how Gajin operates, they will nerf the only good thing about it, its flight model, especially for the fact that it can carry R-73s and has HMD. Even tho dogfights are not very common, if this thing gets accurately modeled it will definitely dominate with those R-73s, something Gajin won't let happen.
No su33 is not more maneuverable than su27…It is heavier and the canard are just there for aerodynamic balance due to shifted weights, not for maneuverability.
Having an early original variant and a late modernized variant would be nice. I know people are like the R-27EA doesnt exist (it did indeed and was trailed), but the late variant should get it to compete with top tier aviation, even if its only a semi historical loadout. The yak-141 never carried R-60Ms yet has them. Let the poor 33 get its R-27EAs.
Brother what is you sayin???? The N001 cannot in any circumstance carry ARH missiles. First is its obsolete data link architecture of a simple pulse doppler based CW illumination command guided data links, emphasis on command guided aka EXCLUSIVE TO SARHs. Secondly The software was incredibly outdated and would never be able to support mid-course guidance before switching their own active radar seeker in terminal phases. thirdly and most importantly its bandwidth and bandwidth frequency were horrible to say the least: an X-Band between 8 to approximately 12 GHz. Wonderful for moderate range target detection and tracking due to its balance of resolution and propagation, but guess what…as “modern” as the soviets were they decided to constrain their data transmission bandwiths with analog systems…y e a h…making ARH missiles impossible to carry. You are thinking of the N001VEP which was implemented on a lot of Flankers like the Su-27SM and the Su-30MKK but not the Su-33. And even then the N001VEP could not keep up with the R-27EA
The Su-33's success in War Thunder will depend on whether Gaijin uses the update to improve the gameplay of naval aviation. Including multiple different aircraft carriers for the appropriate nations and worthwhile targets for anti-ship missiles would make naval aircraft worthwhile and unique to play. As it stands, the Su-33 will largely go the way of the Yak-141 where few people take it out to actual games and instead mostly fly it in test flights to mess around with the carrier. The J-15 will be fine as it has been modernized to the point where it can compete in top-tier, and its extremely unlikely the Su-33 will enter the game without the J-15.
I post on tiktok and I posted a video yesterday and we have almost the same thinking in what will come. I also think this update will have to alot about naval. fx they made so the german tornado antiship missile works better now maybe preparing for this update. Also they will probably add better designed carriers, it would make a lot of sense since we have been wating for the f18 for a long time and we just got a rework on the runways.
The su33 never used the r77 but it used the r-27ea which is a bit worse then the r-27er in terms of speed but it had more range and it had a fox 3 seeker so this could be added with the su33
R-27EA has never been combat deployed and is simply an R-27 with an R-77 seeker. It requires the same radar/fcs upgrade needed to launch the R-77. Not happening.
No no no no no no no. We’re not doing this again. The R27EA doesn’t exist. It’s a PAPER missile. The definition of “in theory…” Not to mention it would conveniently have around the same range as the Aim-120C-8. Just no. They should just add the Mig-29K and give Russia R-77-1s. And of course un-nerf the flight models.
@@pestomystic Russia never used R-77 either, yet they have them ingame for «balance». So why not add R-27ea to actually compete with the op ass american planes?
Guys the su 33 can cary the 6 r27em, this missile become the better fox 3 in game is a r27er bus fox 3 go at mach 6 can poll like a r27er and have a NEZ of 20km
@@badbrowniez when they leaked the German fa18 a few months ago. The same leaker as this su33 leak already stated they are skipping the fa18a to go to the C
or, rework the su-27 and mig-29 flight models so theyre not absolute dogshit, so they can have the advantage they irl do against f-16 and f-15 which is more maneuverability and most importantly more sustain, and that way they can be competitive and you would have to play for the strengths of your plane and against the weaknesses of the enemy plane, but naaaah us mains will cry on the forums so lets keep their stats better at literally everything because theyre babies that need handholding constantly
Isn't it a worse Flanker ? adding it is redundant imo as people are saying MiG-29K would be a better option although I love the aesthetics of the Su-33
I’d rather a MiG 35 instead, cmon gaijin 💀 can come with R77s then get the “Dash One” when the time is appropriate. Plus we all know the flight model is gonna be botched anyways
@@GeneralArmchair no because it would have been at least on par with aim 120b and the cryaboos would get it nerfed. I still have a little bit of hope that the R77-1 will be acceptable and these eye pissing whales won't cry about it.
This is bad. We don’t need another su27. Not even the sm so no r77. Better be 12.7 arb. Where’s the mig 25 and 31?Not a 4th su27. I can’t bvr a f15e going Mach 3 with its 30km further firing missile. Then American gets a f18a which is better than the MiG 25/ on par with MiG 31. A lot better than a bomber su27 with r77 and a pasa radar. Top speed Mach 1.8. Balanced
Waste of resources to make this crappy plane... Who wants a nother su27 but heavier, not at top tier and with a probably more messed up fm... Thanks gaijin
Also the enlarged surfaces and the canards were specifically designed to give it enough lift to launch from the Kuznetsov class. They are *NOT* designed to perform enhanced maneuvers. The Su-34 however is. So you really won't get much of an advantage over the 27 or 27SM, *PLUS* you have all the added weight of the reinforced landing gear and the tailhook, so it really doesn't mean a damn. Let alone, no R-77, no R-27EA (requires same radar for R-77), and no guided AGM weaponry.
It should be a squadron vehicle, or added just for fun after the Yak-141, but it's not a serious top-tier lineup release. It shouldn't have come any later than the F-14B if it was going to be a serious counterpart for it's release time.
Su-30SM is the way to go, and if TVC and Canards that actually function is "game breaking" (which is bullshit), then add the MiG-29K.
i dont understand why people would call the su-30sm game breaking at all cause its the same american players who say the r-77 sucks and spam aim-120's all the su-30sm is better at on a game level would be dogfighting so if added its not like its going to make the game unplayable for the enemy teams
@someone-stole-my-handle because a plane that would make the USSR/Ru 5-10% better would interfere with the unabated SPAMRAAM meta.
I think this might be the “catching up” update. Add the F/A-18A and SU-33 without Fox 3 and next update give their more modern variants. Hopefully we get decompression.
@mikeyplayzwrld There's no way Gaijin would piss away an opportunity to make money. They always launch a flagship update for the winter season because consumer spending is highest around the holidays. They're gonna go big because they're greedy. Hopefully, Russia doesn't get shafted with a Su-33 to compete with the F-18s. What I'm hoping for is that they release the F-18 A or C variant and F/A-18E for the U.S. and the Su-33/Su30 for Russia. Those are high hopes, though, and I wouldn't take any of that as gospel.
в зависимости от того, какую версию Су-33 нам дадут. Их же тоже модернизируют, только обозначение модификации не дают
тут надо смотреть на то, какой нам именно дадут Су-33. Их же постоянно модифицируют, модернизируют, но не дают им новых названий и обозначений... в общем посмотрим
I'll wait for the Su-30s and Su-37 with canards and TVC.
Basically another SU 27, I honestly wouldn't want that. I would like the MIG 25
*without R-77
Pointless plane right now actually.
Just cuz it's "pointless" doesn't mean it won't be a great addition. I think it has a place in the game and will be very fun to use at 13.0 or 13.3
@@iiSuketchi Yeah... at 13.0 againt 13.3-13.7 without FOX-3. Nice joke man.
@@Lulzwhat is literally the same thing the su-27 is already facing, but with 2 extra R-73s and different flight performance.
How is it worse off then a su-27 or f-15, it's just slightly different and cooler
Plus, if they decide to implement it with ECM on the wings, it could add another layer of depth to the game and make the plane much better
@@iiSuketchi"slightly different" is an understatment. It was a flying brick that could go Mach chicken. Fast AF but it's more along the same lines of the F-111 or F-104 in flight model. It is gonna get destroyed in top tier and its too fast to put it any lower without completely ruining the balance of the game.
The 33 can’t pull as many G’s as the 27 because of the structure limits of the folding wings. Hope gaijin fixes the 27 fm and implements that disadvantage properly to the 33.
Like how the f-15 airframes also shouldn’t be able to pull high Gs?
@@TheArbiter1721he forgot to mention it 😂
@@TheArbiter1721 obliously ur lying cuz muh F-15 104-0 :P
@@adrianfolstad4925 has nothing to do with the unrealistic flight model we have for almost every modern plane in this game
@@TheArbiter1721 why do people have to make every wt video about Russia vs US lol all I’m saying is it shouldn’t pull more than the 27 just cause it has canards
I hope it gets weapons such as the Kh-31 anti-ship and SEAD, and the Kh-41. Also, maybe it could get R-27PR or R-27EM.
Help a guy out here... What are the 27PR and EM?
@@kennybewley4420active radar homing guided R27 i think they have more ranger too but they should not be in the game
@@kennybewley4420 PR is Passive Radar Homing and EM is Active Radar Homing for jets with poor radar capabilities.
@@nik4091 Why not? They are not as good as the R-77. Earlier attempts like the EA never even made it out of the prototype phase. The R-27EM is for jets that normally cannot carry ARH missiles, such as the Su-33. Because it can carry the R-27ER, it can also carry the EM.
@@Armata6348 EM is not active radar homing, it's EA. Su-33 incapable using such missiles, R-27EA included. EM is an R-27ER with improved semi-active seeker to shoot down crusie missiles at low alt. That's all.
I dont rly wait for the Su-33, i would rather see MiG-29K
That's if they add it with a proper flight model
Why did they add the smt instead of the mig29m
@@Professor_Ramengaijin prefers ussr to not have good planes
@adrianfolstad4925 I can name u a couple but let's just say america dominates air but not ground
@@Professor_Ramen what do u mean by MiG-29M?
i would love to see improvements of the naval gammodes to finally make it fun
The mig29k would be a better option vs the fa18c
I mean not really? Just as outdated as the Su-33 in many terms especially the radar, the Mig 29 K/KUB would be on par tho
@ yes it is, lack of fox 3 or any guided air to ground weapons. A medium fighter attacker that is carrier based. That is the mig29k and fa18c to a T
They should add the Su-30SM with it 3D Thrust Vectoring.
would be a little too overpowered, advanced PESA, better engines, and probably a better flight model.
@dsg4500 agree 💯
@@dsg4500good. about time russia got something that didnt have a bad flight model bad radar cant dogfight and heavily reliant on its Fox 2 😭
@@rekxii Germany crying in the corner:
@rekxii if they add like a us jet with the same system in system components then ya i agree they should have that jet but rn we in the 80s and 90s rn
I can expect it to get nerfed 3 times during dev server because of USA complaints
@@amc2167 what’s to complain about? No guided ground weapons, no fox 3s. If they add the fa18c which is already stated they are skipping the A model, there is nothing to complain about.
@@usarmyalaskanick american main will always find a things to complain about bcs they want f15 vs yak9 and thats what they call balance
@ no they don’t. Wtf are you talking about? 🤣 not one person that has serious complaints has ever stated that.
@@usarmyalaskanick it's a joke because of the last few updates, whatever russian got was inevitably nerfed to mediocrity or plain uselessness because of USA mains complaining
@ wtf are you talking about? What has been nerfed? The biggest nerfs have been to the F15E and F15I. The SU34 even got buffed……
I don't give a f*ck what anyone says. It looks cool, and I'm glad it will be here eventually, but it is NOT going to be viable on release. If the USSR is going to get a plane that is on par with the F-18C and the F-15E and the EFT (assuming it comes) the USSR/Ru *NEEDS* the Su-30SM.
Also, the Russian Navy flies Su-30SM's from it's naval airbases, so it technically fits the theme.
Or the Mig 29KUB if we are takking Navy specific but yeah the Su-33 is not even close to on par with the F18
F-18 and Su-33 would be a fun update (if they also added ARB EC w/ Respawn but we all know that’s asking too much).
Pain 😢😂 I really want ARB EC with respawn
Su-33 is dead on arrival after they add fox-3. He will get 13.3 just for having more hardpoint then su27 and will be doomed to fight aim120 every match. Mig29k or kr would make at least some sense but this...
They should also let naval aircraft fold their wings!!!
and make it a premium so i cant watch level 10s fold the wings mid air
@sov1049 That would be hilarious
@@-Euan- why? It’s not parked on the ground or on a ship
@@usarmyalaskanick Just for an additional denture to have fun with perhaps. Maybe allowing for better carriers in simulator battles?
@ that still makes no sense. You’re not waiting on a carrier in any game modes, you don’t taxi or do any ground operations. You spawn on the CAT. So having folding wings offers nothing
Performance of Su-33 is definitely worse than Su-27. Because of simple reason - it's grown heavy during airframe strengtheneing for carrier use, from Su-27's 16750-17000kg to Su-33's 19600, that's why it got canards (because center of weight got changed compared to Su-27), which add to drag. Engines are only 300kgf more powerful each, which is nowhere near enough to offset increase in weight. Radar is the same as on Su-27, so don't expect Fox-3 missiles, and at most you'll get same RWR as Su-27SM and guided A2G munitions. Chinese J-15, being modern Su-33 derivative, shares mostly same weight woes, but gets much more potent radar (likely to be the best in the game), Fox-3 and modern A2G.
The canard part is false, it got the canards to help with slower speed controls for landing on the carriers, has nothing to do with design or help in maneuverability
@@brodykloster2102thanks for saying what I was going to
Big stroky beard time, Rank 8 prem canidate, or op compared to bison / tigershark?
j15 will not have the best radar in game by any means
J15 isn’t a 33 derivative. The deal to buy them fell through since Russia wanted china to buy a lot to make it worth restarting the factories. The only flankers china has bought are the su30mkk and mk2.
It's performance will depend on which version they bring in the game, there's the normal one that's just like the Su-27S, but in the 2010s they modernized the Su-33s they have (i think less than 30) to the level of Su-27SM3/Su-30SM.
Edit: 20 SU-33 are modernized, 4 are not modernized.
İ suspect we might get earlier models of F-18's with AIM-7P's that is on same BR as Su-33 without R-77's
I hope so, because if russia gets no new fox-3 or fox-3 slinger there will be war
Hate to burst your bubble but gajin in their “infinite wisdom”(sarcasm) said they were gonna skip the the earlier non Fox 3 carrying F/A-18’s in favor of the latter F/A-18C’s and A+ which were upgraded to the C standard with fox 3 capabilities and other things
@ Probably the case, but then the Su-33 will suck and an Su-30 will be overpowered
@@airlightshockZOV well this is gajin were talking about they botched the two most recent air additions because the su-34 and the F-15 are both overpowered in one category and decently good in the other the F-15 was a nightmare in top tier air with its ridiculous engine power AMRAAM spam cause R-77 are not as good at BVR and are more suited to close to medium range and the su-34 just out ranges all spaa’s that aren’t the pantsir leaving what team Russia faces to the mercy of whoever is piloting the Su-34 and since playing spaa sucks to most people they won’t spawn in till after it’s caused havoc meaning the su-34 will most likely have free reign to fuck up an entire team. Also if it wasn’t clear the F-15 is op in air and decently good in cas approx same level as F-16 despite having more ordnance and the SU-34 is op in ground and decently good in air because it doesn’t have HMD and R-77’s are close to medium range missiles unlike the AMRAAMs.
@@TylerJC40 then we're definitely getting a premium F-18 in the future
Maybe just fix su27 flight model instead?
Ive been wanting a modern naval update with subs and anti ship missiles for a while i hope this is it
SAMs already in US, USSR, Italian, and German trees to scratch part of that it. Subs are overdue
If I’m not mistaken, it can carry the r-27ea so that could be an interesting addition if it does come
If they would add SU-33 i think they should add a carrier for it too, most likely Project 1143.5. Project 1153 and Project 1143.7 are very unlikely.
It will definitely look very good and i'll 100% get it, but it wont be a fun jet to play nor will be anything impressive. Knowing how Gajin operates, they will nerf the only good thing about it, its flight model, especially for the fact that it can carry R-73s and has HMD. Even tho dogfights are not very common, if this thing gets accurately modeled it will definitely dominate with those R-73s, something Gajin won't let happen.
So is the 33 gonna be in the su line or yak line? The last two yaks in the higher tier are naval. VTOL.
SU-33, SU-34 beautiful planes !
No su33 is not more maneuverable than su27…It is heavier and the canard are just there for aerodynamic balance due to shifted weights, not for maneuverability.
Having an early original variant and a late modernized variant would be nice. I know people are like the R-27EA doesnt exist (it did indeed and was trailed), but the late variant should get it to compete with top tier aviation, even if its only a semi historical loadout. The yak-141 never carried R-60Ms yet has them. Let the poor 33 get its R-27EAs.
When baz mesopar can have datalinks then they can add r27ea
R-27EA was never produced beyond a prototype, let alone was used by any other countries. If it comes to the game in any form, I'd be very surprised.
I mean it's a video game we got yak141@@lunarcultist6214
Personally i would ljke to see aircraft carriers come into air rb in the city map or any map that has a ocean in it
The su27 already has the su 33 flight model in game
If they add it i would like it to come with the R-27EA, an R-27 with an R-77 seeker
Can't use it, needs the same radar/fcs upgrade that the R-77 uses.
@ its a different N001 which had 2 datalink channels according to the documents it has linked on Wikipedia
@@airlightshockZOV yep, and so you should be able to launch two R-27R/ER's and track them to targets. Still can't use the R-77 or the 27EA.
@ Can
Brother what is you sayin???? The N001 cannot in any circumstance carry ARH missiles. First is its obsolete data link architecture of a simple pulse doppler based CW illumination command guided data links, emphasis on command guided aka EXCLUSIVE TO SARHs.
Secondly The software was incredibly outdated and would never be able to support mid-course guidance before switching their own active radar seeker in terminal phases.
thirdly and most importantly its bandwidth and bandwidth frequency were horrible to say the least: an X-Band between 8 to approximately 12 GHz. Wonderful for moderate range target detection and tracking due to its balance of resolution and propagation, but guess what…as “modern” as the soviets were they decided to constrain their data transmission bandwiths with analog systems…y e a h…making ARH missiles impossible to carry.
You are thinking of the N001VEP which was implemented on a lot of Flankers like the Su-27SM and the Su-30MKK but not the Su-33. And even then the N001VEP could not keep up with the R-27EA
it looks like german air mains are forgotten
This ought to be foldered with the su27 at 13.0
The Su-33's success in War Thunder will depend on whether Gaijin uses the update to improve the gameplay of naval aviation. Including multiple different aircraft carriers for the appropriate nations and worthwhile targets for anti-ship missiles would make naval aircraft worthwhile and unique to play. As it stands, the Su-33 will largely go the way of the Yak-141 where few people take it out to actual games and instead mostly fly it in test flights to mess around with the carrier.
The J-15 will be fine as it has been modernized to the point where it can compete in top-tier, and its extremely unlikely the Su-33 will enter the game without the J-15.
MatAWG did it use the r27ea arh version of r27er?
That missile doesn’t even exist outside a paper mock-up bro
I post on tiktok and I posted a video yesterday and we have almost the same thinking in what will come. I also think this update will have to alot about naval. fx they made so the german tornado antiship missile works better now maybe preparing for this update. Also they will probably add better designed carriers, it would make a lot of sense since we have been wating for the f18 for a long time and we just got a rework on the runways.
it’s the plane that just says no to gravity
just waiting for the J-15 which is suped up better version of the Su-33 with better AAMs and guided air to ground weapons
the su 33 is either going to be an worse Su 27 in the yak 141 tree or as a premium 2. wouldnt suprise me
would it go after the yak141?
su33 will probably be given r27ea
The su33 never used the r77 but it used the r-27ea which is a bit worse then the r-27er in terms of speed but it had more range and it had a fox 3 seeker so this could be added with the su33
R-27EA has never been combat deployed and is simply an R-27 with an R-77 seeker. It requires the same radar/fcs upgrade needed to launch the R-77. Not happening.
No no no no no no no. We’re not doing this again. The R27EA doesn’t exist. It’s a PAPER missile. The definition of “in theory…” Not to mention it would conveniently have around the same range as the Aim-120C-8. Just no. They should just add the Mig-29K and give Russia R-77-1s. And of course un-nerf the flight models.
@@pestomystic Russia never used R-77 either, yet they have them ingame for «balance». So why not add R-27ea to actually compete with the op ass american planes?
@adrianfolstad4925 this is blatantly false. We know they've used the 77 and 77-1 now.
@@pestomystic They use 77-1, not base 77 we have ingame
when do we get the delta dart and dagger and the su-15
The su-33 should carry the R-27EA which is the active radar seeker r-27
I fear it’ll be doa and I hope they’ll either change their mind and add the later 30 instead or add both of those
If we’re talking introducing more Navel planes then how about the Dassault Rafale M???
Well now they have to give other nations smth with thrust vectoring or smth
Looks good! They need something I've had the f15e for a week now and only able too fine only 2 games in sim 😂
, какой нам именно дадут Су-33. Их же постоянно модифицируют, модернизируют, но не дают им новых названий и обозначений... в общем посмотрим
Do you think the Su-35S will be added with for example the eurofighter?
The SU-35 is 4.5 gen along with the Eurofighter so yeah we’d see them around the same time.
@@mikeyplayzwrld su30sm ma generację 4.5, więc wybieram su30... su35 jest bardziej zaawansowany niż inne myśliwce w grze
Guys the su 33 can cary the 6 r27em, this missile become the better fox 3 in game is a r27er bus fox 3 go at mach 6 can poll like a r27er and have a NEZ of 20km
Which means you get an early F18 with no amraam for Christmas
They already confirmed the f18c
@@royalty9025 Where did they confirm the F-18C?
@@badbrowniez when they leaked the German fa18 a few months ago. The same leaker as this su33 leak already stated they are skipping the fa18a to go to the C
@@badbrowniez when he says "they" he refers to voices in his head
At this pain give us the YF-17 cobra
If Gaijin doesn't use Sekret Documents to make the Su33 Modernized...it will be WORSE then the 27SM.
You had me at canards. I love me some canards. Later Flankers get them too, but i'll take the 33 over the 34 any day.
YAY I CANT WAIT! MY FAVORITE JET!
When comming the update?
3:17 fraudian slip "it sucks"?
Which German line do people think the F/A-18c will be added to?
Probably a new line.
@ oh great
SU-33 did not ever carry SPO-15 RWR.
Would be weird since everything has it so why not SU-33 aswell lol
@@kajmak64bit76 Because it was intended to use L150, so they didnt put any RWR until L150 was ready.
why do they add su33 before su30, i would really love to see the su30
mig 31 or 35 (29k) would be much better
They just need to give it R-27EAs SOMEHOW. Else theres literally ZERO reason to play the Su-33 over any other Flankers or Russian jets in the game
No. Just no. They don’t exist irl.
or, rework the su-27 and mig-29 flight models so theyre not absolute dogshit, so they can have the advantage they irl do against f-16 and f-15 which is more maneuverability and most importantly more sustain, and that way they can be competitive and you would have to play for the strengths of your plane and against the weaknesses of the enemy plane, but naaaah us mains will cry on the forums so lets keep their stats better at literally everything because theyre babies that need handholding constantly
I don’t understand their hatred towards the f18
AIRCRAFT CARRIERS!!!
Isn't it a worse Flanker ? adding it is redundant imo
as people are saying MiG-29K would be a better option
although I love the aesthetics of the Su-33
Sooo a navel flavored su27, that’s still going to be shit
Can u do a eurofighter what can we expect?
Maybe could recive the R27P-EP
Watch it be a premium with no fox 3
Another SU? Good thing i'm not in the Russian Tech Tree
Whats the problem with it?
Do you have any idea how many Sukhoi models there is, it’s their bread and butter
I wish for a top tier jet for Germany
I want su-30 mkm in Japanese tech tree
is going to be a premium isnt it?
SU-34 shouldn't be able to do a cobra
do you think we might get submarines, remade game modes and if we get navy aircraft the rafale M
27 but fatter and better low speed agility, with 12 hardpoints
I’d rather a MiG 35 instead, cmon gaijin 💀 can come with R77s then get the “Dash One” when the time is appropriate. Plus we all know the flight model is gonna be botched anyways
The appropriate time to add the r-77-1 was like six months ago
@@GeneralArmchair no because it would have been at least on par with aim 120b and the cryaboos would get it nerfed. I still have a little bit of hope that the R77-1 will be acceptable and these eye pissing whales won't cry about it.
i expect another ass flight model just like the 27 and 29
even the yak130 training aircraft is better lol, at least it could use most of modern rus arm
this plane is totally outdated, isn't gonna be a counterpart for the f18
interesting tree vehicle and shit premium.
i was expecting mig29k :(
Just another su27 gaijin never give russia air true FM 😢
Give me a F-18 pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Why do we need it when it's just a naval su 27? It's useless.
its just a heavier SU27, its a straight up downgrade
WHERE IS THE F18
It got leaked a while ago so will probably come this update
@ I swear it better
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Su27 this, Su33 that. How about y'all understand that J15T will be in fact be the best Naval Flanker that will ever exist.
RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA
Fat flanker poo. Plz gib MiG-29
Gimme my j15 gaijin pls
Su-33 is already outdated. No Eurofighter, Su-30, Rafale, F-18, J-15 = no money for Gaijin next year. Spread the word guys!
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Im pretty sure the su33 can carry the r77?
Nope.
@mikeyplayzwrld aw man, it will be just a normal flanker, with canards
But still its flightmodel is ASSSS
bro wasted no time making a video about sukhois
This is bad. We don’t need another su27. Not even the sm so no r77. Better be 12.7 arb. Where’s the mig 25 and 31?Not a 4th su27. I can’t bvr a f15e going Mach 3 with its 30km further firing missile. Then American gets a f18a which is better than the MiG 25/ on par with MiG 31. A lot better than a bomber su27 with r77 and a pasa radar. Top speed Mach 1.8. Balanced
Waste of resources to make this crappy plane... Who wants a nother su27 but heavier, not at top tier and with a probably more messed up fm... Thanks gaijin
R-27EA ?
Nope. Needs the same radar as the R-77.
they should add the thrust vectoring Su-33