Hi Eaton (not sure I write it correctly). I am a French Canadian, and can confirm that your pronunciation & translation of "Fusil de Chasse" is correct. I bought an Indian reproduction of a Springfield 1795 from Loyalist Arms here in Canada because they were supposedly adjusted, with the hammer re-hardened and the flash hole done. I was looking at a Perdersoli, but it was twice the price. Sure they are certainly nicer, but I don't think that in 1795 the army was giving soldier a "pretty" gun. It needed to be cheap and functional. To be safe, I have followed the proofing methodology for the barrel provided by Loyalist Arms, and it passed it brilliantly. Thanks for your many great videos, they are great for people like me that are beginning playing with muskets. 🙂
@cjr6920 I love it. It really gives you a feel for what soldiers in the Revolution experienced. Flintlock have their quirks but I can usually hit what I'm shooting at!
My brothers have been giving me a hard time about being the "Ian McCollum of the 18th century" on account of all the French flintlocks and tomahawks that I own lol. Thanks for watching
I bought mine from them, went over the stock with lacquer remover and steel wool and refinished in tru oil, it looks really nice. Made myself a hardwood dowel for a stronger ramrod than the factory one, cold blued the lock.
How long did it take for you to get your gun from them and how’d you drill the touchhole, did you use a nice press drill or a vise and hand drill? I really want to get one of the French Fusils and my go to is normally loyalist arms but they’re out of stock and have no idea when they’ll be getting more so I might just order from military heritage.
@@tybushnell9819 Please can you tell me how do you order something from loyalist arms please, and are they actual firearms or just replicas and you can drill the touchhole after ?
@@damienbaujean8581 They are real guns, what I have gotten from them has been drilled by them for a small fee. I don't remember if I called them or filled out a form. I'm sure they have a phone number if you look around.
great video - love the mix of videos you guys do, both old west guns and old flintlocks/matchlocks. And you're spot on about the pronounciation, it is Fu-zee de schass
Very well done! I've always admired the graceful lines on the stock & comb of a French FDC. I don't know which is worse: Being down range of a buck & ball load, or realizing you grabbed the wrong wasp's nest for wadding... Happy shooting!
Got my FDC from veteranarms and it's quality is outstanding. It will hit a water jug at 80yrds loaded with 70grns of 2F goex, .570 round ball, and paper wadding on top. Restained it with minwax gunstock topped with truoil.
I know i hounded you about the Indian trade gun some months ago, but i seem to have somewhat changed my mind. The looks and handling of this Fusil looks well balanced and pleasing to the eyes. Thanks a lot you ass, now ive got to come up with an excuse to spend more money.
Just a couple of historical notes, if I may. 1. Don't brown the steel parts. They were traditionally left bright. 2. They were traditionally stocked in European walnut. If you can't find or can't afford European walnut, American black walnut will do. Glad to know you're going to get rid of the useless ramrod. Hickory is much better.
@@Real11BangBang. Bonjour…..Je suis Tullist. Tulle is the administrative capital of La Corrèze in central France, which contained an arms factory. Today I believe there is museum, which I’ve not had the opportunity to visit. They also have the only Accordeon factory in France. So from across the pond….Vivre la Corrèze libre 🙀
In modern days broke gangbangers use the hi-point c9, but back in the days they used that sniper rifle you got there, you even got the whole East LA 1700s gangster look goin on there
Patching a smoothbore ball is know back to the 1840s, can’t document before then. Wasp nest are so very good but absent in documentation. Tow and saddle stuffing along with paper is documented for that time. I know it’s an Indian gun, but it’s a looker. Anyone should be proud of that little lady
I wish there were a way to "invest" in your channel....like Doge, or something. I'm not a betting feller, but I believe it's a safe bet that your channel is going to grow a lot if you keep up this level of quality, informative, entertaining, and watchable content.
here is a quote from dean s. Thomas's book "round ball to rimfire" on the subject of buck and ball. "Loading these cartridges were done the same way as the single ball cartridges. However the soldier had the option to choose which way to load the balls. In 1848 officers in the Watervilet Arsenal carried out some experiments with these cartridges They found that if the buckshot was between the powder and the ball the ball was more accurate but the buckshot scattered wider than if it was on top of the ball". we found that buck shot on top puts out wider pattern which is what you want when shooting less than 100 yards
Great video ..... These are out of stock right now but it's high n my wish list !! You made a rather coy comment about restocking your musket , would you be able to direct me to a good source for an appropriate walnut stock replacement ? Thanks
I unscrewed the breech plug and cleaned the bore before doing anything else. There must have been a tablespoon of sulphurized cutting oil in the barrel. Totally with you on the browning. Got a hickory ramrod, and a ball mold while I was at it as well. Additionally, I found the stock, especially in the wrist area, kinda had a fat, crudely carved, profile. Did a little shaving to bring it into spec.
yes we got one with the same problem on all these india made guns it is best to just go directly to track of the wolf and order a couple of hickory ramrod blanks they cost around 5 to 7 dollars each last i checked. they will require a little sanding to make them fit perfectly. get a couple because even the good hickory ones break from time to time.
yes what we do is we go to track of the wolf.com and get the correct size hickory ramrod blank (measure the widest part of the wood on your old ramrod) then get a threaded tip from them. its not expensive and a straight grain hickory ram rod will last a really long time. thanks for watching.
Good video, and THANK YOU for not referring to the steel as the 'frizzen'. I always feel like if you're going to go to the trouble to use reasonably good period dress and accoutrements, you should use the correct nomenclature too. (such as rammer). Very informative video. I've read about using wasp nests as wadding but this is the first I've seen it done.
What you are referring to as the "steel" is actually the hammer. The flint mounts on the cock. The "rammer" at that time was called the whipping stick.
@@gpecaut1 Yes Sir, the hammer is indeed another name for the steel. Well done!! I do think wiping stick is a somewhat earlier term, though, since the various (English) drill manuals do refer to it as the rammer. Perhaps the French manual of arms is different? Thank you again for such great presentations.
For a wonderful fiction about someone using these French fusils in America back in that day is The Tall Captains and The Wild Ohio which were written by Bart Spicer. Well received critics! There is supposed to be a third book coming maybe, but they don't have cliff hangars so each book can stand alone.
They both have that characteristic Roman nosed stock that the fuzee Dr chase has. The cut down muskets were 69 bore or 16 gauge Later new guns in 20 bore were made for trade after the demand for that type of gun was established
Do you have documented evidence? Military arms were costly to produce in both time and money. Old arms were used until worn out, and then parts reused whenever possible. Any stockpiles were kept in reserve in storehouses, because even an old, outdated model was stii valuable to the government if it was serviceable.
@@geoffreyandemma No, I'm not writing a paper for a college degree so no documents other than the fact that history says that the reason we got into the French and Indian war was that France was arming and encouraging the Indians to attack settlers in the colonies. It had a lot to do with the fur trade. When a country is supporting an insurgency they supply the rebels with their obsolete weapons not their newest ones.
Very interesting video, particularly as I’m a Brit with a small second place near Tulle. It’s the regional capital of the Corrèze , which is very much like West Virginia , and hunting…la chasse ( shass) ….is very popular in the heavily wooded area. I’m not sure if the arms factory is still in production, but Accordéons are !! Maugeanne button accordéons , possibly the only makers in France. The TGV runs to Limoges from Paris. Just north of Limoges is Oradour sur Glane of WW2 infamy, and Tulle wasn’t spared either. When the pandemic relents, and Brexit permitting, I hope to get back there.
@@Real11BangBang i have a custom fusil de chasse from TVM. Mine likes between 100-110 of ffg with shot and ball. 85 with a 578-478M as cast soft lead lee improved minie. Oddly shoots the minies exceptionally well at to 120 yards. Get am average of 3-4 inch groups lubing 50/50 beeswax and olive oil. Hadnt thought to wad with wasp nest. I use leather over the powder, sheep or llama unprocessed natural wool over the shot. 5/8" punch makes leather wads that fit the bore nice. Scrap leather is easy to come by. 😁 Interesting to see what others do
Good stuff! That fusil has nice lines, a good hickory rod should do well and maybe even a replacement steel musket type rod is a thought , browned to match. I browned everything on my charleville, starting to look real nice with the tarnished brass barrel bands just waiting on hardening compound to re do the frizzen and I can start making smoke again.... thanks I really appreciate this channel you’ve got going.
I wanted a flintlock and bought one of these fusil de chasse. These smooth bores were and are faster to reload, faster to clean up after shooting, and can literally do everything, compared to a rifle. Back then lead and powder where cheap, cloth was not uniform in thickness and very expensive, relatively. Because of the hand labor to weave it.
@@andrewvu1752 In my experience 100 yards. But Ethan here said he can do 'head shots' at 150 meters with a Charleville. He's a better shot than I ! 7:20 in this video..... th-cam.com/video/I-likc14oPA/w-d-xo.html
Just got a Gentleman’s Fusil from military heritage fire arms . My fourth gun from them ,it s awesome fit finish is great next one will be 1795 springfield
Take your rod and dragging it along the side of the barrel feel where the breech plug comes up to. Now pinch the rod at the barrel end and pull it out, then lay it along the outside of the barrel. If it goes below where the hole goes, you don't have to pull the plug. If it end near the hole, pull the plug. The vent hole should be centered fore and aft in the pan. The height of the hole should place the bottom of the hole above the top of the pan, and the top of the hole below the vent cover on the frizzen. 1/16" hole. This protects the powder in the bore from rain, and prevents fusing during ignition. It will give you the fastest ignition you can get. This gun can be primed with 1f powder, 2f powder or 4f powder. 4f gives the fastest ignition. The Gon loads with 65-95 grains of powder. 95gr of 1f is a good load. With 2f it seems to work best around 80 grains. The Indians used a .590-.600 ball and about 70-75 grains powder for war. The French loaded by cartridge, and they cartridge held a .580-.595 ball and 95-100 grains fine musket powder (1 1/2 f/1.5f). The English loaded cartridges were loaded excess paper first. The French loaded ball down, excess paper on top. Remember, 95 grains in a cartridge is not a 95 grain load, as 5-10 grains from the cartridge is used to prime the pan. Hope this helps. PS, the Indians usually kept the barrels in the white, but did not polish the barrels like the regulars did. First use of this fusil I can find is by Indians in the 1705 Springfield raid. The Colonials had dog locks. And some old converted match locks.
Because if you put the ball directly on the powder as the powder combusts it creates a gas ring around the ball which keeps it centered in the barrel making it more accurate the wad on top just keeps everything in the barrel
I replaced my fusee ram rod with a musket metal ramrod the ramrod channel is very narrow in the stock. Did you try and ream this out in the stock so a normal wooden rammer would fit?
this is Garrett. my favorite military Heritage musket is the northwest trade gun. Calebs favorite is the long land pattern brown bess. Ethan's favorite is the 1766 charleville
I am considering ordering a gun from military heritage and just wondered if they shoot well. I know they are sold as is to be non firing so I just wonder do they shoot well after the vent is drilled?
@@Real11BangBang thanks for the quick reply I’m looking to get into flintlock muzzleloading and reenacting but I’m still in high school so I don’t have all kinds of money to spend and these seem like the most affordable smoothbores I can find👍🏻
I have the same one, Its not bad. I did spend a long time refinishing the wood. The wood underneath is actually has a pretty decent grain on mine. Had to completely remake the ramrod though
for big game 100 yards is a good place to test your gun. some can shoot out to 150 with some practice it depends what load you are using and what you are hunting
@@Real11BangBang Appreciate the tech note saving a considerable amount of time. Replaced ramrod with a Pedersoli fiberglass spare from Indian Trade Musket.
Im really interested in getting this Fowler.. Question though, what is the difference in the Military Heritage offering and Veteran Arms? The flash hole is already drilled by Veterans Arms? Is that the only difference?
Uhhhh....pardon me..Uhh....are you growing lead balls in Your Ears? How do you like shooting the 1F , no one else seems to be doing it and I really can't get them to tell me why. 1F is marketed as Musket Powder, and seems the right choice. I bought 5 lbs of it in anticipation of the musket I don't have yet. I was currious if I should have bought 2F.
1 f works well for us in anything .62 and up. We will do an accuracy test between swiss, goex. And graft and sons house brand in 1f 1 1/2f and 2f sometime in the future. Thanks for watching
1 1/2 f should be closest to French musket powder. Try some .590 balls in a paper cartridge too. With a good flint (the French used white agate) they will fire with 1 f in the pan.
@@Real11BangBang I ordered the same one on the 18th just came today seems like the spring for the Frizzell is either to strong or the leg that rides on the spring is too long for reliable spark
Ok, a lot better production than the blunderbuss video. I'll give you the thumbs up. You've got the history down better, and probably about right for the average viewer. On a different note, what's causing the "two stage" trigger is an overly deep full cock notch. I noted when you're shooting from the bench, the cock appeared to move farther back as you pulled the trigger, so it's also probably sloping back from 90 degrees, and the sear is forcing the tumbler to rotate to release. A gunsmith can fix that, and make your trigger pull much sweeter.
You have to bear in mind that our powder today is much better than what they had before the industrial age. If you were using 1750s powder it would take a lot more of it to get equal velocity.
One thing that people are starting to Catch onto is the most common waddling on the coast was tow Made from flax fiber. Most common people made their own clothing from linen and wool Sometimes combining the two. So every farm grew some flax. The fibers that were too short to weave were called tow. Tow was a rough, tough fiber that was used for everything scrubbing floors and pots to cleaning guns. A wad tow was used to hold the ball in place. Out in the wilderness things were different. Where there were no farms there was no flax. What was used instead was wads cut from an old wool blankets. Everybody had an old wool blanket. The natives traded for them so every village had old blankets around that could be traded for a few beads. You could punch out round wads or cut them octagonal with shears Or your knife if it was sharp enough. Even scraps from an old moth eatten shirt will make good waddling God's shooting and thanks for the video.
Another connection with the South is that "Cajun" is the American contraction of "Canadien" , when the French from the East Coast of Canada left the area after British domination...they settled all around Louisianna
Klamath Falls Herald and News: Thursday, April 29th, 2010/Letters To The Editor. Updated on June 14th, 2012. A piece of history wasn’t part of the photo display The Monday Herald and News posted online the coverage of the “Mount Mazama Mountain Men re-enactment from the 1840s.” Unfortunately, I missed attending it. Be that as it may, the posted online photos didn’t depict the most commonly used firearm during this era: The Northwest Flintlock Trade Gun. Known also as Mackinaw Gun, Hudson’s Bay Fuke, fusee, Northwest Gun, London Musket, or simply Indian Musket this flintlock smooth-bore weapon was in common use in North America for 150 years. For too long the historic Northwest Flintlock Trade Gun has been ignored for the role in played in the development of the early America and Canada. In fact, contrary to popular myth, this primitive smoothbore flintlock fusil was the most commonly owned, used and carried firearms of not only native Americans, but fur trappers, French Canadian settlers, and mountain men. Appearing about 1750, these smoothbore trade guns were commonly .58 Caliber (24 gauge) and .62 caliber (20 gauge). They were versatile as a foraging survival gun while loading both solid round ball for deer, elk, and bear, or smaller lead shot for small game, including birds and waterfowl. Even today, a skilled woodsman could still survive and forage off the land while utilizing a Northwest Flintlock Trade Gun in replica form. North Star West at www.northstarwest.com is a firm specializing in historical reproductions of early black powder muzzle loaders. In fact, I recall a former exhibit at the Klamath County Museum depicting the early fur trade era of our region. Pieces of an original Northwest Flintlock Trade Gun were displayed inside the glass. This fusil was discovered along the Sprague River in 1949.
The original serpentine side plate, flintlock cock, frizzen, iron barrel, buttplate, nails, screws, etc. remained as a history lesson for future generations of our bygone frontier past. James A. Farmer, Ashland Effective October 2016: Once again a resident of Klamath County, Oregon Long Live The State of Jefferson! Be sure to read the article in the November/December 2022 issue of The Backwoodsman (Magazine) on the Northwest Flintlock Trade Gun. Titled, "If You Could Only Have One Gun" by David Langerman, pages 68, 69
some jacobites had them through personally owning them. but they wouldnt be a mainstream weapon. More likely most of the jacobites would have a brown bess gotten off the battlefield or the arsenal at Edinburgh. Potsdam spanish muskets would of been common the fusil de chasse a few would of been sent from France as part of the alliance but i doubt it was many. But the jacobites used muskets to fire a shot at the start of the battle and then charge. But by the later part of the war most jacobites were no longer the stereotypical highland person. A lot of the ones left would be the lowland troops and few highland troops. A few hundred english Jacobites turned out but not many.
Im curious as to how it's dangerous? I know the gun's unloaded considering I just shot it. The reason I blow down the barrel is to burn out any existing embers so really when you think about it it's more dangerous to not blow down the barrel considering one small ember could be enough to blow off my hand. It's just like the artilleryman who would have to expose himself to the muzzle of a cannon to swab the bore.
@@Real11BangBang If you get into the habit and one day your on a firing line and you think it went off and you put your face over the barrel of a hang fire you will not be doing it again. NMLRA/NRA range rules forbid blowing down the barrel at any of their shoots. Plus I've seen a gun go off almost in a guys face that was ready to blow down the barrel.
When shooting alone, you KNOW the gun fired. When shooting in a group you might not. Muzzle loader have been blowing down their barrels for over 300 years now. But then even in the 1860's many kept their balls in their mouth to lubricate their running shot. Of course they drank out of pewter made with silver and lead, and used lead to line and seal cups, canteens, and water pipes.
La prononciation de "fusil de chasse" que vous utilisez est la bonne, j'apprécie que vous montrez des armes peu connues.
Hi Eaton (not sure I write it correctly). I am a French Canadian, and can confirm that your pronunciation & translation of "Fusil de Chasse" is correct. I bought an Indian reproduction of a Springfield 1795 from Loyalist Arms here in Canada because they were supposedly adjusted, with the hammer re-hardened and the flash hole done. I was looking at a Perdersoli, but it was twice the price. Sure they are certainly nicer, but I don't think that in 1795 the army was giving soldier a "pretty" gun. It needed to be cheap and functional. To be safe, I have followed the proofing methodology for the barrel provided by Loyalist Arms, and it passed it brilliantly. Thanks for your many great videos, they are great for people like me that are beginning playing with muskets. 🙂
thanks for watching
Happy to see you giving military Heritage and Indian repros a good shake. They are def worth the money.
Can't afford a Pedersoli or ArmiSport. I'll be getting a 1766 Charleville.
@@richardlahan7068 me too if only they were in stock!
@@richardlahan7068how is that fine gun brother?
@cjr6920 I love it. It really gives you a feel for what soldiers in the Revolution experienced. Flintlock have their quirks but I can usually hit what I'm shooting at!
@richardlahan7068 hell yea i was looking at the fusil de chasse although im torn between Middle Essex and Military Heritage
Vivé La France, great video love the new style of them. I plan to get a Military Heritage baker rifle and sword bayonet sometime soon.
My brothers have been giving me a hard time about being the "Ian McCollum of the 18th century" on account of all the French flintlocks and tomahawks that I own lol.
Thanks for watching
You’ll have to get the baker rifled if you plan on shooting it as a true rifle. They come smoothbore.
By the time you buy the rifled barrel you can buy an accurate replica Baker for less.
I hope Military Heritage sponsors you! You're giving them a lot of advertising!
Your pronunciation of fusil de chasse is spot on, thanks for the effort, and thank you for the awesome videos you share!
Much appreciated!
I bought mine from them, went over the stock with lacquer remover and steel wool and refinished in tru oil, it looks really nice. Made myself a hardwood dowel for a stronger ramrod than the factory one, cold blued the lock.
Very nice!
I'm going to have to do that I love the gun was my first flintlock but the ramrod snapped in half when I wasnt even loading
How long did it take for you to get your gun from them and how’d you drill the touchhole, did you use a nice press drill or a vise and hand drill? I really want to get one of the French Fusils and my go to is normally loyalist arms but they’re out of stock and have no idea when they’ll be getting more so I might just order from military heritage.
@@tybushnell9819 Please can you tell me how do you order something from loyalist arms please, and are they actual firearms or just replicas and you can drill the touchhole after ?
@@damienbaujean8581 They are real guns, what I have gotten from them has been drilled by them for a small fee. I don't remember if I called them or filled out a form. I'm sure they have a phone number if you look around.
This is a good channel for one I had never heard of. I plan on going through all your videos eventually.
great video - love the mix of videos you guys do, both old west guns and old flintlocks/matchlocks. And you're spot on about the pronounciation, it is Fu-zee de schass
a lot of great info in this video pard. *LIKED* the production --LT
Much appreciated!
Excellent video! You did great job showing us the military heritage fusil de chasse ! So much so, I want one! I'm subscribing!
Very well done! I've always admired the graceful lines on the stock & comb of a French FDC. I don't know which is worse: Being down range of a buck & ball load, or realizing you grabbed the wrong wasp's nest for wadding... Happy shooting!
Got my FDC from veteranarms and it's quality is outstanding. It will hit a water jug at 80yrds loaded with 70grns of 2F goex, .570 round ball, and paper wadding on top. Restained it with minwax gunstock topped with truoil.
sounds like you got a good one 👍
I recently purchased a 1795 Springfield from military heritage because of your channel. Keep up the good work.
thank you very much. hope you have fun with that old flinter.
I know i hounded you about the Indian trade gun some months ago, but i seem to have somewhat changed my mind. The looks and handling of this Fusil looks well balanced and pleasing to the eyes.
Thanks a lot you ass, now ive got to come up with an excuse to spend more money.
Don't worry. I started with one of their Blunderbuss, now I have 4 of their guns and am waiting for 3 more to be back in stock.
Just a couple of historical notes, if I may. 1. Don't brown the steel parts. They were traditionally left bright. 2. They were traditionally stocked in European walnut. If you can't find or can't afford European walnut, American black walnut will do. Glad to know you're going to get rid of the useless ramrod. Hickory is much better.
Nice review! The Fusil de Chasse is the next firearm I want to purchase. It just seems like such a good multipurpose tool.
Great video man! I hope your channel continues to grow, there is a lot of great information here.
Just ordered one yesterday, looking forward to having a blast with it.
Great video! Looking at getting a Fusil de Chasse for hunting. Really excellent video, thank you.
Good demonstration and explanation of different loads you can use in it.
Glad it was helpful!
Excellent job, your videos are getting better. Keep it up!
Glad you like them!
@@Real11BangBang. Bonjour…..Je suis Tullist. Tulle is the administrative capital of La Corrèze in central France, which contained an arms factory. Today I believe there is museum, which I’ve not had the opportunity to visit. They also have the only Accordeon factory in France.
So from across the pond….Vivre la Corrèze libre 🙀
As a french -Canadian, the way you pronounce " fusil de chasse" is the right way the L is silent ... Allez, Salut!
In modern days broke gangbangers use the hi-point c9, but back in the days they used that sniper rifle you got there, you even got the whole East LA 1700s gangster look goin on there
Great video brother...
I bought mine 4 years ago and have good luck with mine, and yes l would buy another.
Patching a smoothbore ball is know back to the 1840s, can’t document before then.
Wasp nest are so very good but absent in documentation. Tow and saddle stuffing along with paper is documented for that time.
I know it’s an Indian gun, but it’s a looker. Anyone should be proud of that little lady
I wish there were a way to "invest" in your channel....like Doge, or something.
I'm not a betting feller, but I believe it's a safe bet that your channel is going to grow a lot if you keep up this level of quality, informative, entertaining, and watchable content.
Thank you plowboy that sure does mean alot to us.
Just send real money.
I have always thought that you put the three round balls in first so they did not act as wedges and split the barrel. Am I wrong? ?????
here is a quote from dean s. Thomas's book "round ball to rimfire" on the subject of buck and ball.
"Loading these cartridges were done the same way as the single ball cartridges. However the soldier had the option to choose which way to load the balls. In 1848 officers in the Watervilet Arsenal carried out some experiments with these cartridges They found that if the buckshot was between the powder and the ball the ball was more accurate but the buckshot scattered wider than if it was on top of the ball".
we found that buck shot on top puts out wider pattern which is what you want when shooting less than 100 yards
Great video ..... These are out of stock right now but it's high n my wish list !!
You made a rather coy comment about restocking your musket , would you be able to direct me to a good source for an appropriate walnut stock replacement ? Thanks
I unscrewed the breech plug and cleaned the bore before doing anything else. There must have been a tablespoon of sulphurized cutting oil in the barrel. Totally with you on the browning. Got a hickory ramrod, and a ball mold while I was at it as well. Additionally, I found the stock, especially in the wrist area, kinda had a fat, crudely carved, profile. Did a little shaving to bring it into spec.
please do the military heritage 1854 Lorenz.
we dont currently have one of those but we will see about getting one
Seems like a nice piece, but am I correct in noticing that it needs some substantial removal of wood?
Trying to get my hands on a 1728 St.Etienne fusil. Waiting for another shipment unfortunately.
Hello fellow 11b, you talked about “browning the barrel” can you do a video showing that process in the future?
Thanks
yes we will be doing one at some point this year
Awesome!!
I agree, their wood ram rods kind of suck.
I bought a Northwest trade gun from them and the ramrod is horrible. Any tips on a new one?
yes we got one with the same problem on all these india made guns it is best to just go directly to track of the wolf and order a couple of hickory ramrod blanks they cost around 5 to 7 dollars each last i checked. they will require a little sanding to make them fit perfectly. get a couple because even the good hickory ones break from time to time.
Great video
Thanks!
Can you recommend a decent replacement ramrod for these Fusil muskets? Thanks.
yes what we do is we go to track of the wolf.com and get the correct size hickory ramrod blank (measure the widest part of the wood on your old ramrod) then get a threaded tip from them. its not expensive and a straight grain hickory ram rod will last a really long time. thanks for watching.
Good video, and THANK YOU for not referring to the steel as the 'frizzen'. I always feel like if you're going to go to the trouble to use reasonably good period dress and accoutrements, you should use the correct nomenclature too. (such as rammer). Very informative video. I've read about using wasp nests as wadding but this is the first I've seen it done.
What you are referring to as the "steel" is actually the hammer. The flint mounts on the cock. The "rammer" at that time was called the whipping stick.
@@gpecaut1 Yes Sir, the hammer is indeed another name for the steel. Well done!! I do think wiping stick is a somewhat earlier term, though, since the various (English) drill manuals do refer to it as the rammer. Perhaps the French manual of arms is different? Thank you again for such great presentations.
I really like the idea of these big bores. Good with a big ball or shot.
yes they are
For a wonderful fiction about someone using these French fusils in America back in that day is The Tall Captains and The Wild Ohio which were written by Bart Spicer. Well received critics! There is supposed to be a third book coming maybe, but they don't have cliff hangars so each book can stand alone.
You seem to have recovered nicely from your raid on the hornets nest for wadding ! That is a good looking FDC .
Thanks 👍
Hi, I’m French and your pronunciation of “fusil de chasse” is good 😉
Thank you very much
some articles say that some indigenous peoples prefered the fusil de chasse. is that true?
it depends on the time period but yes
I think that the French musket 1717 and the 1728 were often sold as surplus and de-miiltarized and cut down for Indian and trapper use.
They both have that characteristic Roman nosed stock that the fuzee Dr chase has. The cut down muskets were 69 bore or 16 gauge
Later new guns in 20 bore were made for trade after the demand for that type of gun was established
You think wrong.
@geoffreyandemma This was in Canada during the French and Indian War.
Do you have documented evidence? Military arms were costly to produce in both time and money. Old arms were used until worn out, and then parts reused whenever possible. Any stockpiles were kept in reserve in storehouses, because even an old, outdated model was stii valuable to the government if it was serviceable.
@@geoffreyandemma
No, I'm not writing a paper for a college degree so no documents other than the fact that history says that the reason we got into the French and Indian war was that France was arming and encouraging the Indians to attack settlers in the colonies.
It had a lot to do with the fur trade.
When a country is supporting an insurgency they supply the rebels with their obsolete weapons not their newest ones.
Very interesting video, particularly as I’m a Brit with a small second place near Tulle. It’s the regional capital of the Corrèze , which is very much like West Virginia , and hunting…la chasse ( shass) ….is very popular in the heavily wooded area. I’m not sure if the arms factory is still in production, but Accordéons are !! Maugeanne button accordéons , possibly the only makers in France. The TGV runs to Limoges from Paris. Just north of Limoges is Oradour sur Glane of WW2 infamy, and Tulle wasn’t spared either. When the pandemic relents, and Brexit permitting, I hope to get back there.
Cool......I have the same at home......very beautyful french musket......
What are you using for wad, what was that round thing you pulled out and used?
been awhile back now but i think i used wasp nest in this video
If it helps, a 110 grain by volume measure weighs 1.72 oz of #6 shot.
thank you. lol sounds like you have done this a time or 2
@@Real11BangBang i have a custom fusil de chasse from TVM. Mine likes between 100-110 of ffg with shot and ball. 85 with a 578-478M as cast soft lead lee improved minie. Oddly shoots the minies exceptionally well at to 120 yards. Get am average of 3-4 inch groups lubing 50/50 beeswax and olive oil.
Hadnt thought to wad with wasp nest. I use leather over the powder, sheep or llama unprocessed natural wool over the shot. 5/8" punch makes leather wads that fit the bore nice. Scrap leather is easy to come by. 😁
Interesting to see what others do
Sweet rifle
Great vid….especially since I just picked one of these up !
Good choice!
Did these ever get retro fitted with bayonets? or have plug bayonets?
yes i believe they did
@@Real11BangBang Thanks for the reply! could you di another flintlock 3 gun match!? Its the only one on TH-cam.
Good stuff! That fusil has nice lines, a good hickory rod should do well and maybe even a replacement steel musket type rod is a thought , browned to match. I browned everything on my charleville, starting to look real nice with the tarnished brass barrel bands just waiting on hardening compound to re do the frizzen and I can start making smoke again.... thanks I really appreciate this channel you’ve got going.
I wanted a flintlock and bought one of these fusil de chasse. These smooth bores were and are faster to reload, faster to clean up after shooting, and can literally do everything, compared to a rifle.
Back then lead and powder where cheap, cloth was not uniform in thickness and very expensive, relatively. Because of the hand labor to weave it.
What's the max practical hunting range of this flintlock
@@andrewvu1752 In my experience 100 yards. But Ethan here said he can do 'head shots' at 150 meters with a Charleville. He's a better shot than I !
7:20 in this video.....
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Just got a Gentleman’s Fusil from military heritage fire arms . My fourth gun from them ,it s awesome fit finish is great next one will be 1795 springfield
glad you had a great experience 👍
So did you have to remove the breech plug to drill or did you just go straight to drilling? I just got this fine gun in the mail the other day
Take your rod and dragging it along the side of the barrel feel where the breech plug comes up to. Now pinch the rod at the barrel end and pull it out, then lay it along the outside of the barrel. If it goes below where the hole goes, you don't have to pull the plug. If it end near the hole, pull the plug.
The vent hole should be centered fore and aft in the pan. The height of the hole should place the bottom of the hole above the top of the pan, and the top of the hole below the vent cover on the frizzen. 1/16" hole. This protects the powder in the bore from rain, and prevents fusing during ignition. It will give you the fastest ignition you can get.
This gun can be primed with 1f powder, 2f powder or 4f powder. 4f gives the fastest ignition.
The Gon loads with 65-95 grains of powder. 95gr of 1f is a good load. With 2f it seems to work best around 80 grains.
The Indians used a .590-.600 ball and about 70-75 grains powder for war. The French loaded by cartridge, and they cartridge held a .580-.595 ball and 95-100 grains fine musket powder (1 1/2 f/1.5f).
The English loaded cartridges were loaded excess paper first. The French loaded ball down, excess paper on top. Remember, 95 grains in a cartridge is not a 95 grain load, as 5-10 grains from the cartridge is used to prime the pan.
Hope this helps.
PS, the Indians usually kept the barrels in the white, but did not polish the barrels like the regulars did. First use of this fusil I can find is by Indians in the 1705 Springfield raid. The Colonials had dog locks. And some old converted match locks.
GOOD REVIEW
thank you very much!
what size flints are you using? Thank you for your help
I honestly can't remember but if you go to track of the wolf and look at their Flint selection they have flints for a tulle fowler
So Military Heritage is out of fusil de chasse what about Veteran arms???? ANY GOOD???
Why did you wad on top of the ball ?
Because if you put the ball directly on the powder as the powder combusts it creates a gas ring around the ball which keeps it centered in the barrel making it more accurate the wad on top just keeps everything in the barrel
essentially then there's not between the powder and ball. Ball is against the powder ?@@Real11BangBang
I bought this gun, hammer strikes hard enough but, still not a good sparker....switched flint multiple times....did you have to nharden the frizzen?
we have not hade to harden anything yet. you may have to check the angle of your flint. good luck
I replaced my fusee ram rod with a musket metal ramrod the ramrod channel is very narrow in the stock.
Did you try and ream this out in the stock so a normal wooden rammer would fit?
No we just tapered it that's how a lot of them were
Really dig the trigger!!
which one of these are your favorite?
this is Garrett. my favorite military Heritage musket is the northwest trade gun. Calebs favorite is the long land pattern brown bess. Ethan's favorite is the 1766 charleville
I am considering ordering a gun from military heritage and just wondered if they shoot well. I know they are sold as is to be non firing so I just wonder do they shoot well after the vent is drilled?
Several thousand shots through These guns on this channel no issues
@@Real11BangBang thanks for the quick reply I’m looking to get into flintlock muzzleloading and reenacting but I’m still in high school so I don’t have all kinds of money to spend and these seem like the most affordable smoothbores I can find👍🏻
I have the same one, Its not bad. I did spend a long time refinishing the wood. The wood underneath is actually has a pretty decent grain on mine. Had to completely remake the ramrod though
yes we have gotten to the point as soon as we get one we replace the ramrod before shooting
What is the max practical hunting range off one?
for big game 100 yards is a good place to test your gun. some can shoot out to 150 with some practice it depends what load you are using and what you are hunting
We're you able to drill the flash hole without pulling the breech plug? Ram rod measuring distance is close. Enjoyed the overall review.
yes on this one we were able to drill without pulling it
@@Real11BangBang Appreciate the tech note saving a considerable amount of time. Replaced ramrod with a Pedersoli fiberglass spare from Indian Trade Musket.
Where you guys get gunpowder?
we order through graft and son
Im really interested in getting this Fowler.. Question though, what is the difference in the Military Heritage offering and Veteran Arms? The flash hole is already drilled by Veterans Arms? Is that the only difference?
that is mostly the difference as far as i know
Are those .60 caliber ear plugs?
Yes they are
Pretty cool gun!
thanks
Uhhhh....pardon me..Uhh....are you growing lead balls in Your Ears? How do you like shooting the 1F , no one else seems to be doing it and I really can't get them to tell me why. 1F is marketed as Musket Powder, and seems the right choice. I bought 5 lbs of it in anticipation of the musket I don't have yet. I was currious if I should have bought 2F.
1 f works well for us in anything .62 and up. We will do an accuracy test between swiss, goex. And graft and sons house brand in 1f 1 1/2f and 2f sometime in the future. Thanks for watching
You found my secret to surviving the ammo shortage. 🙂
1 1/2 f should be closest to French musket powder. Try some .590 balls in a paper cartridge too. With a good flint (the French used white agate) they will fire with 1 f in the pan.
@@gpecaut1 that's actually pretty close to my standard load
Missouri chert is a pretty hard flint too.
How long did I take from the time you ordered till it was at your door and what state r u in
we are from kansas and it generally takes 2 weeks
@@Real11BangBang I ordered the same one on the 18th just came today seems like the spring for the Frizzell is either to strong or the leg that rides on the spring is too long for reliable spark
.490 rifle ball, 180 grains vs .600 ball 325 gains quite a difference.
The old Snake Slayer
Next video I will be taking the Northwest trade gun to see if it passes the Davey Crockett test lol.
Love the intro. The way you panned that creek looked great. 😂
@@tpitt268 thanks
@@tpitt268 lol our creek is the best creek of all creeks
3:07 hello from France, it is
Ok, a lot better production than the blunderbuss video. I'll give you the thumbs up. You've got the history down better, and probably about right for the average viewer. On a different note, what's causing the "two stage" trigger is an overly deep full cock notch. I noted when you're shooting from the bench, the cock appeared to move farther back as you pulled the trigger, so it's also probably sloping back from 90 degrees, and the sear is forcing the tumbler to rotate to release. A gunsmith can fix that, and make your trigger pull much sweeter.
What diameter drill bit did you use to drill the touch hole?
1/16". Then I bevel the edges by hand turning a 1/4" bit.
What did you use as your standard black powder charge ?
A .60 caliber ball on 75 grains of FG seems to work best with this particular musket.
You have to bear in mind that our powder today is much better than what they had before the industrial age. If you were using 1750s powder it would take a lot more of it to get equal velocity.
One thing that people are starting to
Catch onto is the most common waddling on the coast was tow
Made from flax fiber.
Most common people made their own clothing from linen and wool
Sometimes combining the two.
So every farm grew some flax.
The fibers that were too short to weave were called tow.
Tow was a rough, tough fiber that was used for everything scrubbing floors and pots to cleaning guns.
A wad tow was used to hold the ball in place.
Out in the wilderness things were different. Where there were no farms there was no flax.
What was used instead was wads cut from an old wool blankets.
Everybody had an old wool blanket.
The natives traded for them so every village had old blankets around that could be traded for a few beads.
You could punch out round wads or cut them octagonal with shears Or your knife if it was sharp enough.
Even scraps from an old moth eatten shirt will make good waddling
God's shooting and thanks for the video.
I have a Fusil De Chasse from India and love it !!!!!!!!!!
they are fun!!
I don't know if I want an English Northwest trade gun or a Fusil De Chasse... Decisions Decisions.
we have videos on them both if that helps
@@Real11BangBang I know, I've been watching them! 😁
LMAO @ your 60 cal "earplugs."
Another connection with the South is that "Cajun" is the American contraction of "Canadien" , when the French from the East Coast of Canada left the area after British domination...they settled all around Louisianna
Great video, I find I get significantly better accuracy with 3f in mine.
Good stuff
Buck and ball was used by the confederacy as late as 1864.
Hey love the video and also I have a gun to trade
Klamath Falls Herald and News: Thursday, April 29th, 2010/Letters To The Editor. Updated on June 14th, 2012.
A piece of history wasn’t part of the photo display
The Monday Herald and News posted online the coverage of the “Mount Mazama Mountain Men re-enactment from the 1840s.” Unfortunately, I missed attending it. Be that as it may, the posted online photos didn’t depict the most commonly used firearm during this era: The Northwest Flintlock Trade Gun. Known also as Mackinaw Gun, Hudson’s Bay Fuke, fusee, Northwest Gun, London Musket, or simply Indian Musket this flintlock smooth-bore weapon was in common use in North America for 150 years. For too long the historic Northwest Flintlock Trade Gun has been ignored for the role in played in the development of the early America and Canada. In fact, contrary to popular myth, this primitive smoothbore flintlock fusil was the most commonly owned, used and carried firearms of not only native Americans, but fur trappers, French Canadian settlers, and mountain men. Appearing about 1750, these smoothbore trade guns were commonly .58 Caliber (24 gauge) and .62 caliber (20 gauge).
They were versatile as a foraging survival gun while loading both solid round ball for deer, elk, and bear, or smaller lead shot for small game, including birds and waterfowl. Even today, a skilled woodsman could still survive and forage off the land while utilizing a Northwest Flintlock Trade Gun in replica form. North Star West at www.northstarwest.com is a firm specializing in historical reproductions of early black powder muzzle loaders. In fact, I recall a former exhibit at the Klamath County Museum depicting the early fur trade era of our region. Pieces of an original Northwest Flintlock Trade Gun were displayed inside the glass. This fusil was discovered along the Sprague River in 1949.
The original serpentine side plate, flintlock cock, frizzen, iron barrel, buttplate, nails, screws, etc. remained as a history lesson for future generations of our bygone frontier past.
James A. Farmer, Ashland Effective October 2016: Once again a resident of Klamath County, Oregon Long Live The State of Jefferson!
Be sure to read the article in the November/December 2022 issue of The Backwoodsman (Magazine) on the Northwest Flintlock Trade Gun. Titled, "If You Could Only Have One Gun" by David Langerman, pages 68, 69
Are those musket balls in his ears??
Absolutely
They really do work pretty good
Those Frenchie guns are all right, I guess, but I'll stick with my Northwest trade gun. 👍
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some jacobites had them through personally owning them. but they wouldnt be a mainstream weapon. More likely most of the jacobites would have a brown bess gotten off the battlefield or the arsenal at Edinburgh. Potsdam spanish muskets would of been common the fusil de chasse a few would of been sent from France as part of the alliance but i doubt it was many. But the jacobites used muskets to fire a shot at the start of the battle and then charge. But by the later part of the war most jacobites were no longer the stereotypical highland person. A lot of the ones left would be the lowland troops and few highland troops. A few hundred english Jacobites turned out but not many.
Sure could have done without the music.
When you use the balls from your ears you won't need any extra lube or wax...
Pls, do NOT rub your hammer with you fingers !!! You will get skin oil on it and it may never spark!!
Please STOP blowing down the barrel!!!!!! It is dangerous
Im curious as to how it's dangerous? I know the gun's unloaded considering I just shot it. The reason I blow down the barrel is to burn out any existing embers so really when you think about it it's more dangerous to not blow down the barrel considering one small ember could be enough to blow off my hand.
It's just like the artilleryman who would have to expose himself to the muzzle of a cannon to swab the bore.
@@Real11BangBang If you get into the habit and one day your on a firing line and you think it went off and you put your face over the barrel of a hang fire you will not be doing it again. NMLRA/NRA range rules forbid blowing down the barrel at any of their shoots. Plus I've seen a gun go off almost in a guys face that was ready to blow down the barrel.
When shooting alone, you KNOW the gun fired. When shooting in a group you might not. Muzzle loader have been blowing down their barrels for over 300 years now.
But then even in the 1860's many kept their balls in their mouth to lubricate their running shot. Of course they drank out of pewter made with silver and lead, and used lead to line and seal cups, canteens, and water pipes.
Great video
Thanks for the visit