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This is why Jon has earned my respect and admiration. The guys is a genuine human being, I like how he gently shut down his own staff for pushing the same generalized narrative that has been spread by his peers, in order to give an individual opinion, not a regurgitated sound bite.
Meanwhile, republicans are banning books and disallowing children from speaking to teachers about being gay. I canceled spotify. I DONT GIVE A FUQ about this lukewarm response from Stewart. I don't. Especially when we are up against fascists. We cannot be soft with these people.
@@kiarahelen6006 both sides, rep and dem are the mouth pieces of different sets of banks and industries, all of which want to operate within a fascist system. it's all a fight between two different hidden fascist industrial/banking conglomerates. with a very thin veneer of democracy
@@kiarahelen6006 Pot, kettle.
Listen to yourself.
Also, Rogan is not a right winger, nor were the views expressed by his guests Drs. Malone and McCullough remotely right wing. Try knowing what you're cancelling and why instead of just taking someone else's word for it and hopping on a bandwaggon.
@@kiarahelen6006 Holy christ. You sound like a literal psychopath. Imagine being this far trapped in your own bubble...
@@kiarahelen6006 The left has become its own version of fascist, rather than liberal, they are doing the same thing the right does, censor. What Neil Young did was not liberal at all, it was a play right out of FOX news. 2 wrongs don't make a right. But apparently the left thinks acting like their enemy will work, but all it's doing is dividing us further. One side needs to be the adult here. For decades the right has been the big whiney baby in the room, guess who that is now? Both. Plus TH-cam music is a better service, but TH-cam the company has an algo that is way too sensitive, kinda like the neo-leftists (not liberals).
Jon is a national treasure. I'm glad he's back.
No he isn’t when he says fox is garbage but cnn has body count and and been busted so many times
@@Skabanis the shit are you talking about?
@@JJ-ti5lh -- It's pretty fucking clear what he's talking about. How are Fox News somehow worse than CNN? A channel that effectively made Trump president because he was 'good for ratings'. And then spent the whole of his presidency lying about him and what he did. Also, he clearly isn't paying much attention to Tucker. Pretty well everyone else on Fox is garbage, but Carlson has been on fire for the last few years.
Jon is a national treasure. I'm glad he's black?
Jon was okay, but now he is just a grifter. Just standing up for a comedian because he is a comedian. Sad stuff.
You should be concerned that he is bothered that artists are determining whether or not they want a company to host their content. Its not canceling or censoring. Its PEOPLE RESPONDING.
Such a relief to have some of your heroes stay consistent through time. Thank you Stewart.
Jon, thank you for the reminder to never give up on engagement with others- especially those we don’t see eye to eye with.
@Michael Aronson actually, it does. His myocarditis example with Joe illustrates how. Sure, some will double down…but just because some are dishonest, does not mean all must be dishonest. The chance of shared knowledge is worth engaging in earnest and good faith.
@Michael Aronson awfully binary thinking. Doesn’t have to be so black and white. I said “some” people, meaning others can be willing to have their minds changed. Reach consensus. Be humble enough to see the world past their own backyard. The fact that some are so dug in does not mean that we should toss up our hands and give up. Some people ARE too obtuse and unreasonable to reach. You should still at least try.
@Michael Aronson so we should ostracize the weirdos and pretend they won't gather ranks because no one in power is listening to them on any level?
Isolated people become dangerous.
@Michael Aronson Engagement does solve the problem, one has to engage to put their information out there. No engagement means nothing has been said in the first place, leaving it impossible to resolve the problem entirely. Nobody starts with the right ideas or information. Thus, the need to engage with others, that's how people learn in the first place.
@Michael Aronson you created a black /white fallacy on the topic of engagement, in what seemed like a means to dismiss what I had said earlier. You seem to suggest that because engagement doesn’t work for some, that it never works. Or perhaps that engagement is only worthwhile if it always works. Joe engaging with new information regarding a preconceived notion over myocarditis, encountering contrary information, and altering his position once proven wrong, is evidence that some people can change their original position if confronted with contradicting facts.
Dare we be blessed with a conversation between john and joe???
Jon would tear him a new one for being a dumb ass getting paid 150 mill and not take responsibility of his words reaching millions of people
There already has been a conversation between Joe and Jon 🙂 Summer of 2020 if I remember right..
@@rurutuM did you even watch the video or are you just here running your mouth?
Thanks oldjetta i either missed or forgot about that one either way im gonna rewatch it
@@rurutuM you're ignorant and clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
I love you Jon. For 15 years now you have been one of the reasons I haven't entirely lost faith in humanity yet. Thanks so much for your sincerity and kindness, and greetings from Germany!
yes, and ditto from the US.
@@maggiebodek Ditto from AU
@Martha Wolf Nice 😏 Here in the US, we says, "I'm an American (not a MAGA follower)". Big distinction
Same.
I remember being in high school when the world trade centers went down and watching John on the Daily Show. Been a fan ever since he covered that with commentary ranging from being horrified and angry to reigning in the warmongers by being critical of the GW Bush admin. Thank you John! Never a puppet, always a real dude without a side.
I remember it clearly! It was very powerful and he used his platform very responsibly which was very calming to people who were all collectively in shock.
The problem is the establishment that was backing the republican warthogs is now the same backing the democratic party. In that meeting, Obama that night, the then-president made it very clear about this shift. So John resigned from the daily show for good. And the daily show went along with puppet who would blend. Sorry, Noah..
not to mention his advocacy for first responders and the health effects they've suffered as a result of working the piles of the destroyed WTC...done more than most elected officials since 9/11
Too bad you didn't remember his name, though
Agreed. Also, don't forget... he anointed James O'Keefe (Project Veritas) following his candid camera taping of the Acorn scandle. That man's business was recently raided by the FBI... they still have his phone .
I remember when i was a kid in the early to mid 90's watching jon do comedy and he almost single handedly introduced me to my sense of humor. Quit possibly my best trait.....especially these days. Im happy 30 years later being able to still listen to jon and his genius and having him make sense out of our modern world.
That’s so nice 🥰
Didn't realize Jon was still doing stuff, glad I saw this in my feed - such an honest and wise voice that is unfortunately extremely rare today.
You can thank the algorithm for that :D
Samesies
Ya thats what happens when you join apple, its a different algorithm.
Spotify's stock did not crash entirely because of Neil Young. Most of the big tech stocks (especially unprofitable ones like Spotify) have been plummeting this year due to overvaluation and the threat of financial tightening by the fed.
People don't want to hear truth. They'd rather believe mythology and narrative.
@@bassandtrebleclef - You must be referring to all the anti vaxxers and foreign trolls that are infecting TH-cam lately… 😂
This seems to be what ever single person who doesn't follow the market thinks, Spotify dipped because a 60 year old has been pulled the three songs people listened to.
@@kingtrance307 keep laughing. The next holocaust is inside you.💀
@@kingtrance307 AnTiVaXeRs!!! FOriEgN tRoLLs!!!... there's that engaged dialogue Jon was talking about. Take your ball and go home. DeRp.
Jon is a reminder that seeing reality as it is and using reason is just a choice and is always available.
Jon says, "I will never give up on engagement". That's my greatest fear in this moment that when politicians have problems back home they'll sacrifice engagement for nuclear war, if they perceive political walls crumbling around them, ugh. Please, all rise & pledge allegiance to peace, to live & let live, like we people do that has kept humanity running for millions of years. So should not come to an end now!
"Don't leave. Don't Abandon. Don't Censor. ENGAGE". Well said, Mr. Stewart. Thank you
Yup. Try to ENGAGE with Joe Rogan if you hold the scientific consensus, or are even actually on the left wing. Then get back to me.
@@aaronsande Joe Rogan is immune to engagement, that's been proven again and again, when he has been corrected TO HIS FACE on many things that he continues to spout mistruths about.
Everyone here claiming you can just engage with Rogan, or similar people, are ignoring reality. He is immune to engagement. People have been explaining things to him for YEARS and he still repeats lies. So this wishy-washy liberal-centrist idea that you should just engage is myopic and naive. In many if not most cases, THAT DOES NOT WORK. Engaging with Rogan has done nothing except allow him to continue spreading misinformation to 10 million people every show.
And lest we remind y'all of the time that a primatologist explained to him directly that he was wrong about what he was saying about a "new" ape that had been discovered, and he spent several minutes yelling at her, calling her stupid multiple times, and citing CNN as a "legitimate scientific source", topping it all off with a heavy dose of misogyny after the call ended. THIS is the guy you think is worth engaging with.
@@puckerings go sit down.
Dude is ALWAYS able to see the forest for the trees. I love that about him so much, and wish more folks would be this open.
Open and smart, two good attributes
@@tl8231 he's smart, sure, but plenty of people are smart. Not all people are as open or wise as he.
He's dead wrong about Fox News it's 10 times more reputable than most mainstream corporate media
Too bad he told what Rogan did and it isn't what happened.
@Michael Aronson the problem is no one is checking the facts, both fox and cnn are polar extremes. Both bottomless pits of misinformation for the sake of creating conflict and demeaning those with opposing views to keep the public from engaging and having conversations whilst their constituents bask in the revenue gains provided by the controversy. Seek the facts for yourself, avoid being a sheep to these media behemoths.
Jon is bang on with the "fear of the algorithm instead of fear of the purveyor" thing. Brings to mind Tristan Harris and The Center for Humane Technology, and also Frances Haugen. I love Jon's perspective so much.
The algorithm is bad in many ways. Very true, but Joe Rogan gets to bypass the algorithm. He's Spotify's flagship podcast. They advertise him to advertisers. But it's also true that a majority of his audience is white-male.
Jon, thank you for continuing to push for dialog and useful discourse!!!💜🔥🙏🏼🎶
I will never forgive Jon Stewart for being so awesome. I can't agree more with the importance of being willing to have an open and honest discussion about hard topics.
The girl responded to Jon Stewart's point with something to the effect of
"If people know that you're woke, they know that your virtue signaling all of the time then people hold you to a higher standard that people like Joe Rogan will never have to face."
You think you're out trying to save the world and someone like Joe Rogan is just a right-wing nut when he's not even right-wing at all.
He's had right-wing people on, he's had left-wing people on but for you guys no one's allowed to have right-wing people on. We're supposed to shut them down and shut them out completely of the conversation which is the fucking opposite of what Jon Stewart's trying to tell you right now in this video.
@@jamesmiller5331 Well said. She beautifully demonstrated how she completely missed the point John had just made. Here I thought for a second she might learn something....
"How come when I'm out there non-engaging with my non-engaging Twitter feed, do people attack me when I get things wrong? And this guy is out there in the trenches engaging with all sides, and people are giving him the benefit of the doubt when he gets some stuff wrongl?! What's up with that?"
Bless your patience John attempting to educate folks like that! 🙌
Welcome back Jon. We have missed you. You still are educating us, challenge us, opening our minds and making us laugh all in one. The way only you can.
Get the show back on Apple TV!
Amen Den Fool ! :)
Seriously. I didnt watch the daily show much growing up when Jon was on but discovering this podcast is such a breathe of fresh air. Like these 3 have such an awesome dynamic and they are all so goddamn funny without being over the top. Jay's Olivia Rodriguez joke is hilarious. Jon's "vietnam documentary joke" just hilarious.
Really interesting learning more about the character of these individuals through these podcasts and hearing them approach hot topics with nuance and just plain intelligence.
I totally agree that Joe Rogan might be kinda a "dumb" meathead but even that label is wholly unfair and detrimental because I respect his grind and his willingness to listen even amidst all the hilarious elk meat and dmt memes. Clearly not a bad actor.
Bravo.
@@Thezuule1 no one watched that shit. Guns:episode 4, got himself deplatformed.
That’s why it stopped.
He spread misinformation in that episode so they shut down the series from pissed of ppl.
" we got our funny man back!"
I love this conversation so much. It’s refreshing. Thank you. ♥️
I fking love john stewart. I wish he was still as impactful of a voice as he used to be, we need more reasonable, humorous people like him. And hes brilliant too, so that helps
This is pure IMPACT
I love Jon Stewart and this is why he is sorely missed on mainstream tv. He isn't compromised and THEY are lucky Jon Stewart isn't still on Comedy Central or on one of the major networks, BUT if he keeps this up, Jon will end up an even bigger threat than before.
Jon's ability to reason and phrase that reasoning is aging like fine wine. I liked the daily show, but since Trump this man has been like a hotspot for measured takes in an age of american ultrapolarization. Kudos, Jon.
Jon has always been a voice for measured reason. The guy even held a "Rally to Restore Sanity" on the Washington Mall back in 2010, but only until 6pm because we have a babysitter.
It only takes him one sentence or two to make sense of everything.
@Michael Aronson and if all the speech of which you don't approve is censored then the right to free speech moves further back. DeRp. Time to take your ball and go home.
@Michael Aronson Ehhh maybe take another look at his segments on the War on Terror, the 9/11 truthers, health care for vets and first responders, Fox News and Glenn Beck… The man got angry, regularly.
@@TheResidentSkeptic
The same cannot be said for his co-host at that rally.
One of the problems that makes conversation difficult is that people have started equating being factually wrong with being morally wrong and rejecting people who are seen as saying the "wrong" things. I didn't know Jon Stewart before this video, but he seems to be pushing against this (even though he does not put it in the terms I have used).
Agreed, and I think the reason the real people on the left, center, and right have such difficulty agreeing on things that seem so obvious is that the countless grifters on the right, as well as the propaganda coming from MSNBC and CNN, very intentionally obfuscate the meanings so that people dont see that one person is talking about people who reject fact or science, while another is fighting back against that on the basis of moral truths (using rhetoric equivalent to "You call everyone you dislike a nazi"). Essentially everyone understands that other people will have different moralities than them, but people like Tim Pool and Ben Shapiro do everything they can to portray their own morality as being based on purely fact, even though nobody relies on their feelings to determine which facts they believe more than conservative grifters. They almost all have literally admitted that they determine their views first, and work backwards from there.
It's great to have you back John. I went to the Rally to Restore Sanity because of you
I'm so glad Jon is back in the fray. He was always the most genuine and thoughtful public commentator.
He's different now tho. I think hes been sipping the cool aid.
Agreed 💯
Yes, but it would me more helpful if he got his facts straight. He is quite incorrect about Joe Rogan and Spotify. th-cam.com/video/LQCbT49VTTE/w-d-xo.html
Sketchy Stuff uh-oh- a mild disagreement?!? MUST BE CANCEL CULTURE!!!
@BabySteps : A Learning Channel Russel Brand is great and relevant.
As an immigrant, he introduced me to idea of free speech and journalism ethics 15 years ago. Salute him for still being the same person during all these years!
I think all people who moved to the US within the last 400 years are immigrants 😊.
Indeed ☺️
100% agree. I sent this to my children (4 teenagers) and posted it to Facebook (I have great friends). This episode made me subscribe.
I love to listen to people who have common sense.....something rare these days.
Great podcast.
Except Rogan didn't say, "oh, I didn't know that." He pushed back, saying, "where is this info. coming from?"
That's what smart people do. If someone was making a claim and you found out that the article they referring to came from Fox, Huffpost or Vox wouldn't you question it?
@@themilraen Again, you can take the same argument you just made and apply it to all of the "news." Look at Stelter and Lemon bobbing their head the entire time they're talking to Gupta. They're not fact checking themselves on the spot. The point right now isn't what's right or wrong, but rather why this is only a big deal when it comes to Rogan and nobody else.
@@themilraen LOL. Rogan has you so triggered that you're writing a novel on TH-cam attacking him. There's a lot of stupid liars I don't like on TV. You know what I do? Make the adult decision to not watch them. You should try is sometime you control freak.
@@themilraen "And why are people listening to his medical advice when he's an "idiot" or so he claims."
They're not. That's just what propagandized idiots like yourself believe. They might be taking advice from some of his guests who are doctors and virologists he's had on, but nobody is taking his advice directly unless it's secondhand advice he received from his own team of doctors.
A reason why Rogan is a bigger problem with misinformation/pushback to his beliefs is that, on a daily basis, he has about 11 million viewers. 11 million! That's more than Lemon, Stelter and Carlson combined.
The argument of "just don't watch him" is moot when he has such a large audience.
The problem is if you question him, YOU'RE the problem, not Rogan.
Just happy we get to have Jon back. He is wonderful
I love this. "Engagement" is the answer. If he's wrong, prove him wrong. Cancellation will only make his presence stronger with his base, and further divide us.
What if no one cares that they’ve been proven wrong, like say, blatant liars and charlatans
@@windfall I think the studies say that about 20% on both sides of the aisle are immutable, meaning they will not change their minds regardless of the facts. It's the "other" thinking 60% that I am concerned about. That's the nature of democracy eh?
Its sounds great, but on this topic John is way off. His rendering of the facts is wrong, and his judgment is wrong. It's rare for him, but it is what it is. If the check the details John got it wrong. th-cam.com/video/LQCbT49VTTE/w-d-xo.html
@@mvhuber so you’re admitting it’s impossible to “engage” with liars and charlatans who purposefully misinform
@@windfall Not at all. What I said was that we should engage, but we should not expect to change their minds. That's not the point. I don't "silence" a flat earther or prevent them from speaking, I show them (and everyone else) pictures of the earth from space, and hope that the majority of people find the picture to be conclusive.
Joni and Neil were both hospitalized by polio so I can understand where they were coming from. Been talking about the algorithm since MySpace started. Now we are dealing with this mess.
I also believe that when politicians faces are on any screen, there should be a list of their top 20 financial backers streaming across the screen.
“I think it’s so much more powerful to engage. And there is something about picking up the ball and go home that I don’t like.” Well said. Thank you John. Here from all sides is how we can make an informed decision that is right for us.
I love Jon but I disagree with him. 270 doctors, nurses, scientists, and educators wrote a letter calling on Spotify to stop misinformation, surely Rogan saw that letter. What is that if not engagement. He chooses to ignore it and he continues to say whatever he feels like including after his apology. With $100 million in the bank surely he can afford to hire somebody to do the research before he says things that directly lead to life and death situations for others.
Neil Young is engaging.
Capitalism only answers to one thing and that's the bottom line.
Without this gesture, the needle would be moving much slower.
@@user-oi6gr8xw9h What Neil Young is doing isn't engagement it's an attempt at censorship, this is engagement: th-cam.com/video/6h-wRTej72I/w-d-xo.html
Can you define "Capitalism"?
@@parthbhatt7988 That letter calls for censorship not engagement, this is what engagement looks like: th-cam.com/video/6h-wRTej72I/w-d-xo.html
They're using these doctors as an excuse to go after Joe, which is laughable because Joe openly admits frequently that he doesn't know enough about this stuff and people should not base their opinions on his, that's why he has specialists on in the first place. Even still the specialists aren't always going to be right (everyone has bias) and the types of people who would blindly listen to whatever is said on that podcast were already doomed to begin with.
@@parthbhatt7988 your ignorance is cute...just eating up all that cnn propaganda like a good little tool 👍
I, for one, would LOVE to listen to a long conversation between Joe and Jon! I would actually get a Spotify account just for that.
He’s been on Joe’s podcast
Watch the Joe podcast with Jon .
He has been on Rogan’s podcast!? I’ll have to listen to that. I think Jon should have Rogan on this show. Especially if the episode Jon was on is from over 5 years ago.
Also, I would love to see Jon have Tucker Carlson on his show.
I'd like to see a RECENT Jon and Joe
There's an episode with Jon from about a year and a half ago..
Wonderfully lucid and reasonable conversation. Please continue, we need more people like Jon and Joe
and Tucker Carlson.
Jon is a liberal tool
@@vaskylark yeah maybe leave out the white supremacy guy lol, Jon has been very clear on his thoughts on Tucker
@@theman44ful No pleasing everyone? I like Tucker. I don't always agree but I still support his right to say his piece. He's no white supremacist though, and it's awful labeling people so flippantly.
@@vaskylark he is. He regularly voices white supremacy dog whistles, he regularly talks about the great replacement theory which is pure white supremacy propaganda, hes said white men deserve credit for building civilization in 2008, he compared affirmative action to Jim crow, he hosted white supremacist Steve king, didn’t like changing Columbus Day into indigenous peoples dau because “it’s an attack on civilization” need i continue?? He’s a racist.
John, to hear your thoughts and to understand your mind through these podcasts is such a blessing. 🙏🙏
The world needs more of the reasonable, measured response of people like Jon Stewart. I just found this channel and i forgot how much i love and missed this guy.
I am more conservative in my politics, and I love Jon Stewart.
@Michael Aronson dude is a liberal. Just not insane like the left has become.
@Michael Aronson first, trying to make a world where people aren't allowed to talk IS absolutely an insane thing to do. Second, that's not what I was referring to with the left leaving the land of rationality.
“Make better arguments.” I love it. I would definitely respect the mainstream an open ear if they did. Every time someone is silenced is a red flag
You can always count on Jon Stewart to hammer the crazy with such genuine humanity, clarity and humor
The love the way you said that!
good to see Jon Stewart still staying centered and willing to provide nuance to difficult topics and engage with people in an intellectual way, even if I don't agree with him on everything. I wish I could say the same for Colbert and Trevor Noah. I feel like they've morphed into their own versions of the ideologues he warned us about, despite having come up in large part due to Jon Stewart.
Yes. As an Australian viewer Colbert and even Noah to some extent have come to represent the US Administration point of view the way RT represents the Kremlin and CGTN represents Beijing.
@Mike Hundt That's weird. When I was at University in the 1960s I knew some actual Communists, by which I mean members of the former (deceased) Communist Party of Australia. Out of curiosity I bought a copy of Mao Zedong's Little Red Book. It was very boring, I couldn't read it and don't remember where I left it. These three haven't got a socialist bone in their bodies, much less Communist.
@Mike Hundt Been reading for 50 years Mike. I think it should be clear from my comment that I know what a Communist is and if you think these three centrist comedians are Communists you don't know what a Communist is. Instead of running around dividing your country by calling people names you people need to start learning to get along together as fellow human beings with similar needs and wants. And maybe get rid of your two corporate parties and start working together to develop a functioning democracy.
I always sort of felt like Jon Stewart was the only mainstream commentator that actually gets it... this new show just 100% confirms that, episode after episode with such fantastic nuanced analysis. Keep it up!!!
Yeah this needs to go seriously viral.
And my wish was commanded. It’s being discussed as we speak.
Jon is truly a once-in-a-generation talent. Always thoughtful and measured and not afraid to go against the One True Opinion we're all supposed to always have. He's so damn special.
Wait we are all suppose to have the same true opinion? No one ever told me that. Maybes that why I have no friends.
Mmm
You sound like a conspiracy theorist yourself what one opinion are we all supposed to have?? People are dying from a goddamn virus that is mutating every single day. Rogan has been dangerous enough in his disseminating misinformation that 270 healthcare professionals called attention to it way before this by writing an open letter. This isn't about God damn opinion It's a PUBLIC HEALTH issue. Maybe you'll get the opportunity to bury a loved one since this goddamn thing is going to mutate eventually to a vaccine resistant then we're all going to be on f****** lockdown.
@@ROZDAB
There's a "D" on the end of the word supposed, Jesus Christ. For the rest of my rant check my other posts.
@@ROZDAB "Wait we are all suppose to have the same true opinion? No one ever told me that."
yes.
yes, we are.
everyone must like Tay Tay.
WORSHIP HER!!!!!
Listening to Jon Stewart soothes my anxiety, thats for doing these podcasts!
This is a tough one for me, because it does seem fruitless to engage when there is so much bad faith argument out there. But after considering it for a few days, I see the point. This never-ending campaign to separate the pure and good people and institutions from the impure and evil is just as much of a fool's errand.
This, and Joe Rogan has shown that he doesn't and won't change his opinions even when presented with numerical facts - see Tesla v Ford sales number, where he claims Tesla outsells one of the biggest car manufacturers in the world.
I don't get the sense in 2022 there is a real analysis of who is a good faith actor or not. It seems that people have just universally decided that dialogue doesn't work and ideological war is the only answer without expecting any kind of consequences from that. In particular on the liberal side, which absolute does hold a specific kind of privilege here, there HAS to be humility and and self-awareness. Because whatever they are trying right now just isn't working.
Jon, on point, as usual. I continue to be appreciative of this person's perspective and willingness to move through garbage and attempt to direct the conversation toward the core issue.
If he's so open to engage, why doesn't he invite Professor Kevin MacDonald on as a guest?
@@InsaneFame Probably because he doesn't know who the fuck that is. Why do you think him not having one specific person on his show proves anything? This is a dumber version of a false dichotomy, go read something... anything.
@@frostythesandwich lol spin more! Ignore the core issue of why they went after Joe Rogan. Mass Formation Psychosis..... Seek help
@@Rays_Bad_Decisions Did another bot come out to play? Answer this "what's harder to catch the faster you run?"
@@frostythesandwich yes because everyone that disagrees with your small minded media monopoly view point must be a bot. Couldn't be you have no idea what your talking about. Watch the interview Mass Formation Psychosis....
listening to Jon Stewart is an education. I continue to be schooled and to learn from him. He's a lighthouse of a human being in the vast ocean of chaos we struggle not to drown in
little bit thick, he's good
he's a condescending assclown that hires a team of writers to appease his mental bias and prove his point and only his point ,
Goddamn this is so good! Thanks Jon for your continued careful, human perspective on this American experience.
The problem boils down to so many people today believing that "platforming" (to borrow the word) someone means you support them and/or their stance. Those are the types who so vehemently cannot stand someone to have an opposing view that, instead of having a discussion about it, they believe the only dialogue option is to shout them down or mute them.
They get supported by it: they get an audience and they can spread their ideas using the reach of the entity enviting them. So, yes, that is the responsibility one carries when offering that platform to somebody.
I love Jon Stewart. He makes me feel like I am not alone in this crazy world because his rational independent takes on things often mirror mine.
I am so grateful Jon bestowed us with the privilege of being exposed to his genius again… I love you Jon Stewart, Sir.
ditto.
The true message here is freedom of speech is the antidote to freedom of speech. Not all speech is correct and the best but you have to engage and have more speech to correct it which is what JRE is open and accepting of. Jon Stewart nailed it. bravo
Finally a significant, sensible voice on this! Jon Stewart has nailed this issue to a tee.
I cannot believe how on-point John is so many times in this short vid, in a way I haven't heard anyone articulate it in a while.
Agreed. The world needs Jon Stewart in public discourse now more than ever.
Thank you. What a concept that we can have meaningful, nuanced, funny and witty conversations and engage with people honestly.
Two smart, chill and current ppl. Good program. Good hire. Good for you all.
Thanks Jon for being a voice of reason
Really want JS to go on JRE again but for more than an hour and a half next time.
Jon Stewart is brilliant. Stupidity is so rampant that his thoughtful ideas are just stunning
Nothing stunning or brilliant here. We are talking about the simple idea of free expression that's been the foundation of our society until media merged with corrupt government and scientism. And i believe Jon can take some credit for creating a segment of people that are impossible to engage after watching the daily show in their young adult life. They grew up to become smart assess and treat discourse as a dishonest game of wits. Colbert's whole schtick was being a caricature of a conservative for the purpose of mocking. They damaged our ability to engage in honest discourse more than a tucker Carlson ever could.
@@hatfisc Until media merged with scientism? Wtf? Nah. I think it was when the media realized more people want entertainment than media. How is mocking people on a comedy central news show the downfall of media? That's the laziest excuse I've ever heard.
@VicariousVictor and now the pendulum has swung to the left being the authoritarians.
@@hatfisc "scientism?" ...seriously?
@VicariousVictor Yes. I remember those days well. Heavy metal and D&D were the absolute devil. Did you know if you play "another one bites the dust" backwards it sounds like "you're supposed to smoke marijuana"?. Good times and very effective since im such a pot head now. Thanks a lot, Freddie!lol.
Church ladies obviously had no institutional power so they were nothing more than annoying. You didnt lose your job for playing D&D and no government entity want to enforce a social credit system on fans of Motley Crue. You're comparing a grape to an entire apple orchard.
If I needed a reason to remember why I love Jon Stewart, this is it!
Wow- Jon put it better than ANYONE has put it yet! I was impressed with him standing up for we Vets and Gulf War Syndrome- I'd love to see him tackle guys like my Dad, who are STILL waiting for their Agent Orange settlement- that he first applied for in 1971! SUBSCRIBED!
I think it's quite funny that Neil Young is boycotting Spotify because of one podcast, and then goes on to promote his music on that you-know-who big corporation who are well known for brutally exploiting their employees.
foibles of capitalism
yeah, moving to & promoting Amazon Music. One of the worst corporations to grace this planet.
Also selling his catalog to a subsidiary of BlackRock.
Except you could turn that on Jon Stewart as well, he made a deal with _Apple_ to get on this new show. The only reason we even hear from these famous people is _because_ they engage with systems of capitalism, because *none of us have any choice but to engage with those systems.* If we want to eat, have a roof over our head, or reach a wide audience, it doesn't matter whether you're Neil Young, Jon Stewart, Joe Rogan, or some random schlub on the internet, we're *all forced to engage with those systems.* And so criticizing someone for that...is like criticizing someone for breathing.
There is no way to 100% ethically engage with those systems, and demanding that from the people you disagree with is unreasonable. If Neil refused to play the game, he wouldn't gain *anything,* he'd just be shut out. You can't engage with the system on your own terms...asking anyone to do so is inherently unreasonable, practically unachievable, and likely not worth the effort.
Say what you will about Neil's choices, but he _has_ to engage with those systems or we'd all be like "Neil who?", and we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
Gonna need you to be more specific about large company treating employees badly.
That doesn't narrow it down at all.
@@DrTssha Neil who?
Jon raised some really good points I hadn't even thought of. Always a pleasure to listen to him.
That's because Jon ALWAYS raises good points that none of us have even thought of...
Which points were those?
CHL Stop misrepresenting the criticism joe Rogan is getting.
@@cowmath77 That's because he is powerful and the RW are using him as a Trojan Horse to benefit from the huge fan base
Joe is the antithesis of RW
People would rather listen to a 3 minute sound bite bouncing off the walls of a algorythm acoustic cave then tune into his 3 hour podcasts
They don't have the attention span to listen to one episode themselves
Everyone who has spent at least 100 hours listening to his shows KNOWS 3+ hours is a long term engagement which is exactly why Corporate media is threatened by him
And the money~ And the fact that he came onto the platform with a huge engagement and commands Million per advertisement and is a tremendous influence
CHL a lot of criticism that comes towards him doesn’t come from labeling him a trump cultist or even a right wing person altogether. It comes from seeing him as someone who has a wide influence and too much confidence in ideas that he does not know how to verify. He plays skeptic for the sake of it, when in reality it’s more along the lines that he doesn’t have the scope to understand the complex science behind a lot of what he decides to be skeptical about. This happens to almost everyone. It’s not an uncommon thing- but when someone with Joe Rogan’s influence on the public sphere does that- it’s worth giving it a second thought.
You really gave me food for thought. Thanks Jon!
Thank god for Jon Stewart. We need more Jon Stewart!
The world needs to see a 4 hour conversation between Rogan and Stewart. Please let this happen.
Jon has already been on his podcast.
I had no idea, I'll have to search for that. Thanks for the heads up!
@@droleted87 It's a pretty good one for sure.
Thank you, Jon. Breaking points, krystalkyle and friends and only a few others, even in the view to a point, have not went down the rabbit hole in punishing rogan while letting legacy media off the hook for lying us into wars and enticing into tribal politics/culture wars.
Greetings fellow Krystal Kyle watcher🙌
Breaking Points is fantastic.
Breaking points
Breaking Points for the win. Love Jon to have them and Rogan on his show re the topic of Polarisation at some point. That would be a really interesting show.
The real issue is that Joe isn't spreading misinformation and that's why they want to take him down. He's not pushing the narrative...
So much respect for Jon even if we don't agree on half of issues. Wish more people had his mindset
Jon is fantastic. He is a mature and fair voice.
man i love Jon, everybody elses take on this is kinda shitty but Jon always has the ability to cut through the bs and see the real problem beyond the headlines
And does so without shaming them or calling them out personally. Amazing.
Meanwhile, republicans are banning books and disallowing children from speaking to teachers about being gay. I canceled spotify. I DONT GIVE A FUQ about this lukewarm response from Stewart. I don't. Especially when we are up against fascists. We cannot be soft with these people.
@@kiarahelen6006 Who told you that Joe Rogan is a republican? Are you aware that there are people that are both not Republicans and not Democrats, even in the US? Are you on some kind of war with everyone who thinks differently than you? Be careful to not turn into the thing that you are fighting with, and perhaps re-think if an escallation is really bringing you the outcome you would like to have.
@@midi5581 she said meanwhile Republicans are banning books she didn't say anything about Joe Rogan being a Republican maybe you should take John's advice and actually hear what's being said instead of living in your bubble
@@aarojpoll they did not ban books, they removed a book from the required reading list. You will still be able to find those books in school.
Jon Steward is a principled man. It made me so happy that he stated the facts as they are. Much love ❤ much respect 🤜🤛
"Facts".. Jon has the facts? This is a conversation, not a truth study. You just like what he says. Don't confuse that..
I love him too.
@@morbidmanmusic I was talking about the fact, that Joe Rogan and the australian reporter double checked the myocarditis thing and that Joe admitted he was wrong. Btw that would not oy not happened at FOX but also and CNN and MSNBC.
And I guess generaly speaking it was refreshing to see someone have a hood rational take on it that was not an overreaction. (Yes. That part is not a fact. That is the part I like 😉)
Love seeing Stewart back and hearing his takes. He’s definitely been an important voice for a lot of people looking for positive change. He’s always been one to share sage wisdom
We all need more Jon Stewart in our lives.
Engagement is built on the presumption that the person you are engaging with is operating in good faith.
Jon Stewart is empathetic in his approach to disagreements and wants to engage and discuss. He's okay with being wrong and learning. That's one thing I admire about him.
No, he's okay with people who he disagrees with being engaging and discussing. That's why in his example, he phrases it like Joe Rogan is OK because he's not an ideologue and has changed his mind about child vax. In reality Joe Rogan is not an ideologue and that's why he was correct, Jon Stewart is (still) wrong because Jon Stewart IS an ideologue and will never change his mind.
In the example given, however, regarding mRNA vaccination and rates of childhood/young adult myocarditis, Joe Rogan actually WAS right. The preponderance of evidence supports that both covid and Moderna/pfizer vaccines increase rates, but the latter increases it MORE in an age-stratified manner, and especially in males. In fact, the guest who “fact checked” him, later on Twitter posted that he was wrong.
Nevertheless, Jon’s point stands and is very important - which is to say, he respects Joe for not being so ideological as to be unwilling to change his stance in the face of new information…it’s just that in this case, the new information turned out to mislead more than inform.
The wisest, most noble man. I am so glad you are here!
The controversy has given him power. I only remember him as the fear factor host. Apparently he has a podcast which NOW I've checked out which increases his listener count.
Precisely. And anyone with a shred of intellectual and moral integrity will quickly realise and acknowledge how dishonest the smears of Rogan are.
That's crazy to me that people didn't know he had a podcast. If someone follows or is interested in nearly anything, someone important or multiple important figures that you would come across involved in that interest, would have been on rogan podcast. His list of guests is vast.
Thank you Jon. We can't police thought. All we can do is put out better information and have conversations. Cutting people off and shunning them helps no one! You are a brilliant and beautiful soul!
Neil Young had already sold half of his catalog's rights to Hipgnosis -- for from $50 million to $150 million according to various sources. Hipgnosis is owned in significant part by Blackstone, one of the worst private equity hedge funds out there. And now he's out basically advertising for Amazon music.
I like his music, but when you're OK getting in bed with people who are deliberately pricing people out of owning their own homes and investing in companies gutting the rainforests or the world's biggest oligarch, spare me his angst over Joe freaking Rogan.
Spotify‘s CEO Daniel Ek is investing $115 million into defence company Helsing and he joining the board. Yay, your Spotify subscription is funding military AI.
You’re both making good points. Damn.. we’re screwed
Add to that the hipgnosis links to Pfizer and it so makes sense, Neil young is a shill!!
Neil Young did not sell half of his catalog. He sold 49% and as majority owner he remains able to call the shots. You obviously haven’t followed Young’s career, or you would realize that nobody makes Neil Young do anything. He’s an audiophile so he’s only suggesting Amazon’s streaming service as an alternative because it offers higher quality audio compared to Spotify. Amazon offers lossless music at a higher quality, for audiophiles, something Spotify doesn’t offer. Also, by promoting Amazon Neil is offering his fans an alternative to Spotify, instead of leaving them without an alternative streaming platform.
I just commented this very statement :)
Loved what you said about algorithms. I actually changed my algorithm on Facebook by ignoring everything with high emotional content, whether it was political, or heart rending. I just totally skipped over it and now all I get is humour and happy. I love it. And I have no interest in any other social media platform. I don't see them as entertainment, just noise.
Jon Stewart is such and intelligent man, he is telling us the whole enchilada, but with out telling us anything, he actually is describing to us what is this all about, what is it not about, that what is happening is not correct, he speaking the truth telling us the motives, showings us the logic and that this situation is far away from what we think it is, that the motives are clear, the intentions visible, he it is a true master, thank you Mr. Stewart.
John is so right.
I’m a progressive leftist. I have watched/listened to joe rogan experience JRE on Spotify all the time.
If you don’t want to hear/listen to hear some other opinions, then you’re the problem. You choose to live in your “Our Side Bubble”.
Try JRE before making an opinion.
here someone on the opposite side of the aisle, I do agree with this stuff, coolio!
"If you don’t want to hear/listen to hear some other opinions, then you’re the problem."
Commendable, but I have to disagree. Not all opinions are "valid", and they certainly aren't all worth listening to. When it comes to statements of fact that are objectively false, those aren't opinions, and presenting them as "alternative" options to believe on a large platform can be extremely dangerous. It's valuable to take on those claims in a structured way to show how they're wrong, like in the example Jon gave with the myocarditis thing, but how often does that actually happen? How many people get through that part but still choose to believe the falsehood that Rogan kept repeating leading up to that just because it was repeated more?
@@KingBobXVI Even in the example Jon gave, when Joe goes corrected, he then starts to shift to "well I was talking only about young people and children," and then starts to discredit the source, basically dismissing the information he just searched. So again, when presented with the facts Rogan just shifts the goal posts
@@KingBobXVI I guess you or whoever you agree with should be the judge of what opinions are valid and what opinions aren't? Your complete ignorance shines brightly through. This is exactly why people with your mindset shouldn't be in charge of anything. Self righteous authoritarianism always ends in disaster.
Do you also watch Tucker Carlsen to get his take on the world? Or Alex Jones?
You are all so appreciated. Thank you Jon for always showing me how to step back and apply logic to so many illogical goings-on. Watching you has always made me laugh but you also taught me how to cut through the BS to the core of problems and focus on helping there. Thanks again to you and every person that makes this podcast/show/broadcast possible.
3:50 no Jon, that is the EXACT OPPOSITE of how Joe reacted. He moved the goal posts and began questioning the source. Why tf would Jon Stewart do that? Christ on the cross is everyone lying about everything now? I can’t remember Jon having a worse take.
What happened to the responsibility being on the listener/reader to research more than one source?
@@FlowerGirl8 dont worry. John Bolton will decide what is true for you
@@FlowerGirl8 History tells us this doesn't happen, people don't have time or the intelligence to verify (don't mean that disrespectfully, but it takes a level of skill to understand the complexities of the science of vaccines).
And your excuse is the same excuse the plastics industry used - even when plastics trash our oceans and toxic dumps now proliferate many countries, they said 'well the people should have recycled!" - put the blame on the people, not the source is what they tell us..
That's a joke, the problem is the source and the people need to speak out.
@@Chartacus_ It's on video, Joe did not react as Stewart suggests. Look it up for yourself, it's your 'responsibility' as a listener as @CJS says above..
But Stewart is being kind to Joe. JR had him on in 2020 and they're friends.
Joe has become more fringe with his move to Spotify in 2020.
In moving to Spotify, he couldn't do his whole 'im just a guy with a little podcast' excuse anymore, because he was now a 100 million dollar guy with a podcast on billion dollar Spotfy. He was mainstream media.
And like a musician who goes mainstream, to counter this, JR went more 'alternative'. So for debates around the vaccine he didn't have a single one of the immunologists from the medical consensus that the vaccines are safe and work (7,699 to be exact, registered with the American Association of Immunolgy in 2021) on his podcast, instead he had the ONLY ONE that disputes the vaccine - Robert Malone. That's how you become 'alternative'.
I am a new subscriber to this channel. I consider my self an centralist with largely libertarian leaning views. What I admire about your content is that even though it is slightly biased, it nurtures a free thinking nature of finding the true information about our world. I find that even if the my views don't always align, I am encouraged by the quest for unity and truth sharing that this platform encourages. Bravo! Consider ne an enthusiastic and fervent subscriber.
Fantastic conversation today. Thank you Jon for reminding me to engage with people. It's become a lost effort from all of us in the last 25 years.
speak for yourself
When you give up on engagement, you give into hatred.
The guy that drew me into paying attention to politics and policy. Glad he's back in on the political discourse.
ya with his one sided agendas I love politics with skewed opinions and "facts" on every subject
@ Did you even watch the video? If you're trying to show that he's one sided, you have all your work in front of you.
@ If you dislike it so much why would you watch it for 20 years? Because you're mental? Oh. Okay. Sorry.
@ fun fact: people who watched The daily show as their only news source, was still better informed about the world than Fox News viewers.
@@Pyladin Wonder how they measured that. There has been some polling lately showing that the right is much more diverse in their news sources than leftists who tend to remain in a bubble. The conversation theyre having here is a year behind what better informed people are talking about now. This is a mid 2020 topic for centrists and the right. Good on John but lets chill with all this talk of his brilliance.
I will never forget the pressure to link everything to your Facebook. Any purchase any service anything and everything. When social media was in its earliest stages was when the most pressure existed.
God bless you Jon Stewart. So grateful you aren’t beholden to corporate interests anymore like so many of your peers and are able to speak rationally and in a nuanced way about the complex situation the world is in.
Integrity is invaluable and spotify should have known that.
I'm the only person in my circle who has actually listened to Joe Rogan for years, and people who have never heard his show are so upset with me because I don't want him to be deplatformed.
I have as well. The podcast he does range so much. I don't like all of them, I disagree with him often yet I have learned so much from, scientist, authors, health experts and comics. I feel like he trys to take responsibility for his short comings and he will often say "look I'm an idiot that repeats shit smart people say" then he will turn around and be very confident about other conversations. He doesn't say things that others haven't. It's because of how big he is, even if he is taken down from Spotify he could take his followers to an independent site. I don't agree with deplatforming either.
The people who listen to him are NOT the people pushing the algorythm of CANCEL ~ Those people could not handle 3+ hr podcasts without short wiring! They love and live for soundbites to tell them how to direct their rage
I bet dimes to donuts that the loudest voices in the echo chamber of the Spotify manufactured crisis NEVER listened to Rogan and also NEVER had an opinion of him or his shows because Rogan was not on their radar!
People who like to weigh out their thoughts and opinions listen to Rogay
I downloaded Spotify just for his podcast. If he goes out of Spotify. I go and delete that app. It's that simple. I don't care if that new host is a Chinese or a Russian app.
Rogan isn’t there to push a narrative. He speaks to the person, and may have 100 topics discussed with each guest over the 2-3 hour long form interview.
I personally don’t like the unstructured style and with Rogan most conversations lead to DMT or the benefits of dope. But, I do like to hear the expert in their field, have some freedom and less restriction to talk about their profession.
they are often confirming facts or opinions via online searches throughout the show - when I guest may say something that challenges their understanding.
Ignore the fascists. Let them call you whatever names they want and just laugh in their face and walk away.
Always nice to listen to a point of view that agrees with open discussions. When Neil Young did this first thing came to mind was Keep on Rockin in the Free world unless I do not agree with something that was said on your podcast.
Thank you for coming back Jon. Thank you.
Spotify went down with the rest of the market and had nothing to do with Neil Young. DJI was down 10% before the Fed meeting as well. Tesla was down nearly 15%.
THANK YOU!!!!!! Ccollapse was mostly markets prcining in Netflix subscriber growth and averaging it to the rest of the streaming platforms that are publicly traded. Earnings calls are being released and its atypical of the market. Neil Young moving Spotify market cap by $4bn??? Suits the narrative of Joe Rogan is the antichrist
I'm sorry, when did DJI and Tesla become bellwethers for Spotify? I'm not smart enough to see the connection.
@@jimgsewell It was just a couple of examples. The point was that all markets were down the 2 weeks before the Fed meeting waiting to see if they would start raising rates. Including Spotify. There wasn't necessarily any correlation between the 2.
@@MrDracko83 Oh, so you picked the stocks, based solely on which ones would best illustrate your preconceived story. That doesn’t seem particularly insightful. Spotify stock prices were down 25% during the same time period. That’s down significantly more than the stocks you chose as examples. Why the discrepancy if you are certain that Neil Young didn’t have anything to do with it?
@@jimgsewell why don't you just go look then. 02.11.21 $305.60. 25.01.22 $184.04 Down 39.79% 26th NY threatens to leave Spotify Currently $174.43. And yes there was more of a drop but it was on the slide already. To say NY was responsible is is in no way supported by facts.
"the algorithm of misinformation is far worse than the purveyor of misinformation" - that's the truth!
Jon Stewart just restored my faith in Jan Stewart.
You did really well here, Mr. Stewart! I'm now a fan.
JON THIS WAS SUCH A PERFECT EXPLANATION OF WHATS GOING ON! Thank you for saying what your saying!
if this is what it took for people to also start talking about how bad Spotify has been for musicians, i'm all for grand gestures. No one I know cared when dozens of musicians pointed out how they were getting ripped off
People still dont care about musicians, sadly. Everyone feels entitled to listen to the fruits of their labors for free, artists be damned.
The music labels are to blame for that not the public. They are the ones who don't pay the artist.
@@SnerMerNer I mean, that's entirely the fault of the music industry and more specifically music labels
People do care.
I remember when I went to a taping of the daily show and saw you engage with a then republican candidate, the late Bob Dole. What an amazing experience. Thank you.
Jon Stewart, just one last sain voice screaming into the void. I LOVE YOU JON