@sleepyinsomniac0507 completely unrelated but what do you recommend for first half or even second half? My DoT team (RM, BS, HuoHuo and kafka) struggles a lot because of resistances, even with my e1 ruan mei (Tried it, I only had 2 turns left at BEST). And I don't have jingliu so I'm screwed. This makes me really mad as I'm starting to believe it's a skill issue rather than lack of damage T-T, after all, I somehow had to get to floor 12. Anyway, if you can just say some teams and if I have the characters I'll make it work (Im f2p so 0 5 star lightcones)
@@Ronttt RM, BS, Huohuo, Kafka should be able to brute force everything, not to mention E1 RM. Probably relics issues, what are their stats and what team are you running on the other half?
@@sleepyinsomniac0507 My Kafka 3.1k attack (GNSW LL), 11.7% EHR and 154 speed (163? I believe with ruan mei), BS Has 3.1k attack (Tutorial LC, the best I have...) 112.3% EHR (im still missing the 10% EHR from traces) and 137 spd (More with RM). Then RM herself has 154 spd, 160 break effect (180 in battle) with s1 memories of the past, and huo huo has that artifact set that gives you an SP at the begging of the battle. For the other teams, it's just kinda scuffed -_-' I've tried DHIL/Tingyun/Hanya/Sustain (I used huo huo for this half because of the MASSIVE CC this enemies have) Blade/Bronya/SW/Sustain, and I haven't even tried my seele or dr ratio :( Edit: By the way, both kafka and bs have 4pc prisoner, kafka has space sealing station, and bs has glamoth I believe, or that set that gives you EHR and atk
i swear, there's a group of people who skipped kafka and are just incredibly salty that DOT teams don't suck, so every time we get an upgrade- they get irrationally angry, they want to hate kafka so bad. Every patch kafka just gets better and better and they cope harder and harder to discredit her.
is that what this is? I just like to think this caters more to those newcomers who happened to pull BS and has no way of acquiring kafka. this'll be a hard pill to swallow for them and providing an alternative, which is no doubt not as strong as kafka BS but will work relatively the same, makes it a lil bit digestible y'know.
No lol,Kafka is the best mommy and DoT is great also is the easiest to build only needing Atk,EHR and Speed but for me personally the dmg is too backloaded stacking debuff then waiting their turn to receive bomb is just not satisfying as compare to hypercarry burst gameplay
The 10% is slightly exaggerated and it was calculated in a situation that heavily favored Sampo. Theorycrafters basically calculated Kafka teams with Sampo vs with Black Swan against one big enemy and two small enemies who'll immediately die, making it pretty much a single target scenario and that's the ideal scenario for Sampo, while BS really wants to have multiple targets on the field. To add to this, DoT overall is hard to theorycraft and Black Swan's arcana is even harder to theorycraft So it basically comes down to Black Swan being 13% better than Sampo in a scenario that highly favors Sampo and with calculations that aren't fully accurate to reality, but obviously all of those details get left out by doomposters lmao
Very impressed! I also tried BS e1 on first half and the result was amazing. With BS e1 and Ruan Mei, DoT team basically can ignore weakness and resistance of enemies.
i wonder what kind of environment they are testing that she’s only 10% better than Sampo lol. It has to be some kind of regurgitated out of context information.
10% stronger here is when kafka is on the team with BS not sampo. Kafka BS > BS sampo only 10% since both sampo and kafka can amplify or detonate dot from BS on their turn, and ofc kafka is a 5 star character with higher stat and an enable driver for every dot team
It was in a single target scenario yeah, the title is misleading but Sampo is a beast in ST. The fact that she is better than him in his best matchup, which is also her weakest, is great :)
@roqle11 I think it was some youtuber who made a guide on BS. Seriously tho youtubers love to take advantage of shit like this and blow it out of proportion for views, just ignore it.
It was calcs done by tc in kafka mains, incredibly unrealistic specific niche scenario that had weird assumptions. Idk what they were thinking, but everyone took it as law.
@@OriAhrinah cuz they were trying to say that even in sampos extremely specific best case scenario bs overtakes him (and in aoe he’s actually in the dust) and somehow people reading issued so hard they took it as he’s not that far off from her = she’s not worth it. 💀💀
It’s a 0 cycle build that compliments a high speed Kafka. Swan’s multiplier on E and BA are really low, and thus missing a turn on her is roughly equivalent to missing 3 sacrament stacks, the Atk% from atk boots makes up for that, at least in my testing. Outside of 0 cycles, I’d run speed boots as usual, hope it helps :)
@@sleepyinsomniac0507 ah... good to know man, my BS runs speed boots and have like 3.6 att even with double att planar, so i was kinda skeptikal which is better.
It’s to compliment Kafka, but this is only viable in 0 cycle i think. I’d recommend just working on action order first which is Support -> Swan -> Kafka then aim for above 160 speed on both of them
A lesson to learned is that we should never let TC cook especially when a unit is still in beta. Edit: I might have gone a bit too far. We shoudn't just units based off of the calc alone. Let's just leave it at that.
Yeah their track record is pretty shoddy aside from the sustains. Even Ruan Mei was a little doomcalc'd like huh???? I remember ballpark estimates of RM being not that much better than Pela and Asta (only like 15% or someshit), like who is doing these calcs and what are they leaving out for it to be this off lol.
...the literal point here is that in perfect scenario sampo is 10% weaker than black swan, TCs have never been doomposting black swan, they were literally trying to say that black swan is really strong people just twist it and spread it and now you guys blame it all on TCs lmao
It is more about the quality of the TCs in the community lol. Probably none of them come from a STEM background? everytime I see their math ..they always skip out on stuff like opportunity cost and narrow the optimization space to something super small and unrealistic. Their TC is just simple napkin math that ignores 50% of parameters that should be taken into account of.. maybe one day someone will be dedicated enough to create a proper monte carlo simulator for the game to actually simulate dps
Is DOT that bad received by the Community or is it just BS? CCs keep releasing vids on BS showing she has use even without Kafka, can be run as Hypercarry or def-shredding support and now even vids to show off that she is better than a 4 star in her weakest environment
@@anneniempjuh2328Backloaded damage is kinda bad tho, when compared to standard carry. We're just lucky enough to have Kafka to fix the issue with DoT. But unfortunately not everyone has Kafka, especially new players.
Who said 10% better then sampo. Yeah Bs, +rm s1 +Kafka e1+ Ty for sure a fair comparison to poor little four star Sampo. I'm sorry but if sampo give the same investment 1-2cycles with the same team, it still don't make sense why you should pull for BS.
From my own testing, Sampo is not even close to BS. I did the test on 12-1, with E1S1 BS, E0S1 Kafka, E1S0 RM and E0S0 Huo And my Sampo is E6S5 EoTP Kafka - BS finished it in 2 cycles, while Kafka - Sampo couldn't even clear the stage.
@@Liauw2806 ( this is going to come off as hate, sorry if it does) 1. yes Bs e1s1 is better than a e6 sampo. now is 240 and pulls worth that improvement when you can just us a fire of ice unit like the game recommends to you do? personally, i won't run a light dps and wind dps to the enemy with 70% wind res. I would just use a fire unit or ice unit that only cost 80 pulls and get the job done with 3cycles. But do what you want with your pull when you need to call up your bank in 2.1 and 2.2, you'll have no sympathy from me. Again Bs is better than sampo, and is a great unit, don't know its worth the investment when players 2.1 and rerun are going to be so stacked. Fu rerun is coming, JL rerun is coming, Dan IL rerun is coming, Archron is right around the corner, We have Sunday and Robin still set to be shown. We got so many damn units do we really need a wind dps that does the same roll as sampo. AGAIN BS is strong, S+ on the level of Blade, seele, agrenti, and so on.
@@toxintea You mean my Sampo? It went on to the 7th cycle, i decided to just stop the run (because anything more than 5c is useless in reality) My Kafka-BS managed to 1c the floor after a few adjustment.
bro spent 19 cycles in 1st half just to prove his point 😭
It’s actually 20
Huh, since when they have 40 cycle?👁️👄👁️
@@delta3532 wait I mean 9 lmaoooo
@@delta3532the very first moc was 40 now it was decreased to 30
@@th3coc0goat I mean like with the current moc, they only have 30 cycle XD
I was confused why are he two reply is more than 10 cycle lol
Dude really spent his time in the other half
lmao
@sleepyinsomniac0507 completely unrelated but what do you recommend for first half or even second half? My DoT team (RM, BS, HuoHuo and kafka) struggles a lot because of resistances, even with my e1 ruan mei (Tried it, I only had 2 turns left at BEST). And I don't have jingliu so I'm screwed. This makes me really mad as I'm starting to believe it's a skill issue rather than lack of damage T-T, after all, I somehow had to get to floor 12. Anyway, if you can just say some teams and if I have the characters I'll make it work (Im f2p so 0 5 star lightcones)
@@Ronttt RM, BS, Huohuo, Kafka should be able to brute force everything, not to mention E1 RM. Probably relics issues, what are their stats and what team are you running on the other half?
@@sleepyinsomniac0507 My Kafka 3.1k attack (GNSW LL), 11.7% EHR and 154 speed (163? I believe with ruan mei), BS Has 3.1k attack (Tutorial LC, the best I have...) 112.3% EHR (im still missing the 10% EHR from traces) and 137 spd (More with RM). Then RM herself has 154 spd, 160 break effect (180 in battle) with s1 memories of the past, and huo huo has that artifact set that gives you an SP at the begging of the battle. For the other teams, it's just kinda scuffed -_-' I've tried DHIL/Tingyun/Hanya/Sustain (I used huo huo for this half because of the MASSIVE CC this enemies have) Blade/Bronya/SW/Sustain, and I haven't even tried my seele or dr ratio :(
Edit: By the way, both kafka and bs have 4pc prisoner, kafka has space sealing station, and bs has glamoth I believe, or that set that gives you EHR and atk
i swear, there's a group of people who skipped kafka and are just incredibly salty that DOT teams don't suck, so every time we get an upgrade- they get irrationally angry, they want to hate kafka so bad. Every patch kafka just gets better and better and they cope harder and harder to discredit her.
is that what this is? I just like to think this caters more to those newcomers who happened to pull BS and has no way of acquiring kafka. this'll be a hard pill to swallow for them and providing an alternative, which is no doubt not as strong as kafka BS but will work relatively the same, makes it a lil bit digestible y'know.
No lol,Kafka is the best mommy and DoT is great also is the easiest to build only needing Atk,EHR and Speed but for me personally the dmg is too backloaded stacking debuff then waiting their turn to receive bomb is just not satisfying as compare to hypercarry burst gameplay
The 10% is slightly exaggerated and it was calculated in a situation that heavily favored Sampo. Theorycrafters basically calculated Kafka teams with Sampo vs with Black Swan against one big enemy and two small enemies who'll immediately die, making it pretty much a single target scenario and that's the ideal scenario for Sampo, while BS really wants to have multiple targets on the field. To add to this, DoT overall is hard to theorycraft and Black Swan's arcana is even harder to theorycraft
So it basically comes down to Black Swan being 13% better than Sampo in a scenario that highly favors Sampo and with calculations that aren't fully accurate to reality, but obviously all of those details get left out by doomposters lmao
I just skip kafka cause the fandom is embarrassing, calling a gaming character their mom and being toxic on reddit
@@rdr.erased that's everyone on Reddit tho, I've stopped interacting with the fandom completely
Very impressed! I also tried BS e1 on first half and the result was amazing.
With BS e1 and Ruan Mei, DoT team basically can ignore weakness and resistance of enemies.
and ruan mei e1 right?
@@toxintea Yes, but it's not the main point, even with Mei e1, it's still hard without BS e1
@genshinforfun3532 only ignore 50% resist
@@genshinforfun3532 i mean when they both E0
👏👏👏👏👏👏 Olé! clean as usual ;D but... true pain in the 1st half xD 💀💀
i wonder what kind of environment they are testing that she’s only 10% better than Sampo lol. It has to be some kind of regurgitated out of context information.
it was in a single target scenario, which is where sampo has the biggest (relative) advantage over black swan
10% stronger here is when kafka is on the team with BS not sampo. Kafka BS > BS sampo only 10% since both sampo and kafka can amplify or detonate dot from BS on their turn, and ofc kafka is a 5 star character with higher stat and an enable driver for every dot team
In the copium tank
It’s not even 10% but 15% in ST (for e0s0) , for e0s1 it’s 24% in ST
ST= single target
For 2 targets or more it’s over 44% difference
It was in a single target scenario yeah, the title is misleading but Sampo is a beast in ST. The fact that she is better than him in his best matchup, which is also her weakest, is great :)
Ok dude I will summon for her leave me alone. I have Kafka, Ruan Mei and Eyes of prey s5
“Only 10% better” yeah on that one stupidly specific niche that they blew out of proportion to make it sound like bs wasnt that good lmao
BS is Viable without kafka with E4 Sampo
Who is this "they" u talking abt, who even make that statement only 10% better kekw
@roqle11 I think it was some youtuber who made a guide on BS. Seriously tho youtubers love to take advantage of shit like this and blow it out of proportion for views, just ignore it.
It was calcs done by tc in kafka mains, incredibly unrealistic specific niche scenario that had weird assumptions. Idk what they were thinking, but everyone took it as law.
@@OriAhrinah cuz they were trying to say that even in sampos extremely specific best case scenario bs overtakes him (and in aoe he’s actually in the dust) and somehow people reading issued so hard they took it as he’s not that far off from her = she’s not worth it. 💀💀
i watch this after i lose 50/50 and the think is i never won even once
Bro took that Sampo comparison personal 😂
When you invested only in one team be like
goated
Pretty insane considering this current MoC is like pretty bad for Kafka dot comps.
It s literally the worst moc if you aren t destruction or hunt LMAO
that body and boots roll on kafka
oh wow? so is atk boots just straight up better for BS if we have kafka?
Dance LC + Ruan Mei speed boost let's her still do the regular ~134 two turn stuff.
It’s a 0 cycle build that compliments a high speed Kafka. Swan’s multiplier on E and BA are really low, and thus missing a turn on her is roughly equivalent to missing 3 sacrament stacks, the Atk% from atk boots makes up for that, at least in my testing. Outside of 0 cycles, I’d run speed boots as usual, hope it helps :)
@@sleepyinsomniac0507 ah... good to know man, my BS runs speed boots and have like 3.6 att even with double att planar, so i was kinda skeptikal which is better.
Shhhh. Now they’ll cry like always😂😂😂BS and Kafka hurt them so bad🫶
p3 ost i love that
did you go attack boots for substats or is it to compliment a high speed kafka?
It’s to compliment Kafka, but this is only viable in 0 cycle i think. I’d recommend just working on action order first which is Support -> Swan -> Kafka then aim for above 160 speed on both of them
119.9% EHR lol. Crazy clear
10% better than sampo at single target
175 speed TY god damn
A lesson to learned is that we should never let TC cook especially when a unit is still in beta.
Edit: I might have gone a bit too far. We shoudn't just units based off of the calc alone. Let's just leave it at that.
Yeah their track record is pretty shoddy aside from the sustains. Even Ruan Mei was a little doomcalc'd like huh???? I remember ballpark estimates of RM being not that much better than Pela and Asta (only like 15% or someshit), like who is doing these calcs and what are they leaving out for it to be this off lol.
Star rail leak tc is just so.... yea no
...the literal point here is that in perfect scenario sampo is 10% weaker than black swan, TCs have never been doomposting black swan, they were literally trying to say that black swan is really strong people just twist it and spread it and now you guys blame it all on TCs lmao
@@fredxu99that was pre buff tho. Ruan Mei was not the unit she is now at the beginning of the beta
It is more about the quality of the TCs in the community lol. Probably none of them come from a STEM background? everytime I see their math ..they always skip out on stuff like opportunity cost and narrow the optimization space to something super small and unrealistic. Their TC is just simple napkin math that ignores 50% of parameters that should be taken into account of.. maybe one day someone will be dedicated enough to create a proper monte carlo simulator for the game to actually simulate dps
why they hate DoT so much? I like the relaxing playstyle and doesn't need to gamble crit
Ita ne?
Itakunaiwa.
Owakareno jikan yo.
EHR 119% i know the pain i know...
how is black swan only 10% better than shampoo, look at that explosion damage, shampoo wouldn't be able to deal that kind of dmg
Esfera de ataque na black é melhor que a de vento?
Depends, but they are about the same
Is DOT that bad received by the Community or is it just BS? CCs keep releasing vids on BS showing she has use even without Kafka, can be run as Hypercarry or def-shredding support and now even vids to show off that she is better than a 4 star in her weakest environment
DoT in general is received badly by the meta nerds because "backloaded damage bad!!!!"
@@anneniempjuh2328 Those people place welt into their DoT teams.
@@anneniempjuh2328Backloaded damage is kinda bad tho, when compared to standard carry. We're just lucky enough to have Kafka to fix the issue with DoT.
But unfortunately not everyone has Kafka, especially new players.
This TY build 💀 but yk 0cycle is 0cycle congrats
Who said 10% better then sampo. Yeah Bs, +rm s1 +Kafka e1+ Ty for sure a fair comparison to poor little four star Sampo. I'm sorry but if sampo give the same investment 1-2cycles with the same team, it still don't make sense why you should pull for BS.
Why you hate BS that much huh ? 😅
From my own testing, Sampo is not even close to BS.
I did the test on 12-1, with E1S1 BS, E0S1 Kafka, E1S0 RM and E0S0 Huo
And my Sampo is E6S5 EoTP
Kafka - BS finished it in 2 cycles, while Kafka - Sampo couldn't even clear the stage.
@@Liauw2806 ( this is going to come off as hate, sorry if it does) 1. yes Bs e1s1 is better than a e6 sampo. now is 240 and pulls worth that improvement when you can just us a fire of ice unit like the game recommends to you do? personally, i won't run a light dps and wind dps to the enemy with 70% wind res. I would just use a fire unit or ice unit that only cost 80 pulls and get the job done with 3cycles. But do what you want with your pull when you need to call up your bank in 2.1 and 2.2, you'll have no sympathy from me.
Again Bs is better than sampo, and is a great unit, don't know its worth the investment when players 2.1 and rerun are going to be so stacked. Fu rerun is coming, JL rerun is coming, Dan IL rerun is coming, Archron is right around the corner, We have Sunday and Robin still set to be shown. We got so many damn units do we really need a wind dps that does the same roll as sampo.
AGAIN BS is strong, S+ on the level of Blade, seele, agrenti, and so on.
@@Liauw2806 really? are they not finished with shampoo? curiously
@@toxintea You mean my Sampo? It went on to the 7th cycle, i decided to just stop the run (because anything more than 5c is useless in reality)
My Kafka-BS managed to 1c the floor after a few adjustment.